i am manchurian, i am trilingual ( english, chinese and spanish) even some japanese, but however i can NOT speak manchurian language, what a sad thing....
But many of young people from China(Manchurians maybe?) are now trying to learn Manchurians according to this video! Good for Manchurians and diverse culture of China..:) While searching the internet, I was quite surprised to see 'manchurian learning books for Koreans' which were made in medieval ages. I've heard that in a Korean movie, some Korean actors acting Manchurian (bow)warriors learned to speak Manchurian for the movie and they said it was quite easy than they had expected due to grammatical simmilarities.. We're of different culture for sure, however, as there have been a lot of historical events (both wars or peace) among Koreans and Manchurians, I think there might be some hidden heritages of the historic relationship. Greetings from Seoul, Korea
Askar Turebekov Thanks for your explanation :) That I heard that the actors found it easy to learn Manchu was not lying, but anyway I could know new one thanks to you.^^ I hope the Manchurian language to be generated to future generation successfully.:)
I am of teochew and hakka ancestry from Indonesia,my ancestors came from a small village near Guangzhou,which at that time they were running away from the boxer rebellions in China because my great great grandfather was Catholic. Miraculously now i and most of my family still speak teochew and hakka and 中文,and it is kinda sad that in present time my nieces and nephews seems to pay no mind to how important it is to preserve this language as it is a sign of our priceless cultural identity. Wherever it is you are from regardless of your nationality,if you are of a chinese ancestry as well please preserve our heritage as the descendant of the people from this great culture. God bless you. Have a great day
+Kevin Adrian These stupid names like Teochew, Hakka, Fujianese, Cantonese ect are so stupid. I don't understand why so many Chinese claim ancestry like that.
At least you could speak Hakka or Teochew. I am one of few Chinese Indonesian with Hubei ancestry, we don't even know any Hubeinese word, we only speak standard Mandarin 😂😂😂. Well, many Chinese Indonesian with Fujianese ancestry in Java don't even know any Hokkianese, my Mom is also one of them and luckily know some word. You guys are lucky to be honest 😅
@@kasikasivendjinn5345 It's not at all related to Mandarin. They're not even part of the same greater language family. They're about as related as an indo-European language would be to Arabic.
You are probably only fluent in Mandarin judging from your English. sorry. Manchu language was neglected a long time and so we should announce that it’s dead.
I'm Mongolian. I can clearly understand first title without reading in English Манж угсааны үрсдээ. Manju / Manchu / Манж uksura / race / угсаа urse / children / үрс de / to, for / дээ It's so sad to see such powerful nomadic people totally disappeared :(
As a cultural and lingual enthusiast, I'm extremely fascinated and in love with China's 56 ethnic groups, their cultures and their languages. I have a particular passion for the Manchu (Manju Gisun) language, and I've recently found a website on Google where you can learn it. I hope this language can live on forever for generations to come.
I am from Inner Mongolia, and some of my Manchurian friend and me sometimes can be really cynical about some negative Chinese comments, they want to talk between the two ethnic groups. I admit the thing they accuse, but the truth of unity is not only units some certain groups, is to be open and welcome anyone who want to join. A true friendship is based on accepting and forgiving, not on competing and shading. BY SEPARATING OTHERS, YOU SEPARATE YOURSELF, BY LIE TO OTHERS, YOU LIE TO YOURSELF. For deeply resonating to the situation, I give tears and respects to the Manchurian language. By seeing the encouraged comments in Chinese, in English, I just realized how beautiful this world is. For people who lost their mother tongue, listen more, believe less, and keep your faith.
Simone Bai exactly how i believe you bring tears to my eye want to learn mancho leave the past in the past wish others would see it the same way much love to ya
My grandma used to be singing that.. It was around year 1970.. I heard that some Manchurian people had lived in far northern part of Korean peninsular.
@@jungkyume Yes, the founder of the dynasty was Manchurian. But I'd like to say some Manchurian lived in northern part of Korean peninsular until 1970 and they obtained the citizenship of north korea and are Koreanized at the moment.
bRowenaLi Actually I have a question on Jurchen/Manchu language for a while. I remembered that the 14-15 century Jurchen (Manchu) language looks like Korean scripts; yet the Manchu we know today looks like Mongolian script. Is there any reason behind the change?
inferno0020 Hi there, the Jurchen and Manchu scripts actually aren't related, even though Jurchens are predecessors of Manchus. Nurhaci commissioned the creation of written Manchu at the end of the 16th century. He chose to have it based on the Mongolian alphabet. I am not sure as to why he chose the Mongolian script, though my most educated guess would be due to the interactions between the nomadic Manchu and Mongol tribes at the time (a relationship that continued, as shown by the frequent marriages btwn Mongols and Manchus, esp. at the beginning of the Qing dynasty).
Thank you bRowenaLi. One of my guess is that the scripts of the Han people are relatively inconvenient for the Manchus to adapt. Even though my first language is Mandarin Chinese, I notice that spelling is more convenient than Chinese texts, which is very time-consuming. Also, I am interested in the history of Northeast Asia now and I think most of the Chinese know too few about Manchus; they only knew them through some soap operas. However, I always think that they must have a lot of stories to tell, since they were once in charge of a prosperous, multi-ethnic empire. I also think their history in Northeast China might be more complex than most Chinese think.
inferno0020 There's a lot of fascinating literature out there. My fav historians (that write in English) on the topic are Mark Elliott, Pamela Kyle Crossley, Evelyn Rawski, and of course, Gertrude Roth Li.
@@Jjcc-pm2ht There are some good video lectures and textbooks if you know Chinese, and in English there's a decent textbook (by Gertraude Roth Li) for learning to read Manchu!
@@Dwarfplayer yes. I've been studying Manchu for the last five years, and at this point I'm writing a Manchu textbook using the "Natural Method" behind the very effective (but unorthodox) Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata. It's been a real journey, but an incredibly rewarding one as well.
I am half-Manchu half-Han. Besides Mandarin as my native language, I can also speak English and Japanese and even a little bit of German, French. This year I am taking a Hebrew course in my university. But it is such a pity that I can still not speak fluent Manchu. I can only read Manchu with a dictionary sometimes. But I will keep learning this beautiful national language. Such a shame if we finally lose it.
I mean it's your choice. I see a lot of different languages you have a knowledge of (even European ones) but none of them is your half-native one. At this point the Manchu language deserves to die, since even its people have abandoned it.
I can feel the beautiful, and sadly defunct state of this once thriving, vibrant culture of the Manchu. Such is the course of history on beautiful, dying languages like the Manchus.
Interesting. Saw the movie, War of Arrows. The Manchus (Korean actors) spoke Manchurian. Sadly, no Chinese movies where Manchurians speak Manchus (regarding movies with settings that take place a few hundred years ago).
W L actually the han were the slave of the manchus so, its logical, even now, can u imagine more than 400 years of ruling,and they were the last until 1949 when Mao took it, so we have to wait the same time to restore the han chinese? even tho han chinese try to keep their dignity, its too late, manchu took too much, not only the culture but also the people, l i would say like 80% of the north china is mix with manchu and 40 % in the south, thats a lot
W L coz, actually beijing people control the whole companies of movies in china, and most of them are manchus so, they dont want to show their ethnicity, they tried so much to assmilate to han people, its like saying a black american that he.s african and not american, and due to the wars they had before against the han, go to take a look at " xinhai revolution" so many manchus were killed, its like the jews people in Germany
Warren Lee The Korean actors in the movie spoke Manchu with a heavy Korean accent which is nowhere near what real Manchu sounds like. Only these real Manchus from China would be able to speak Manchu natively.
Paul Tavand Southern China is way too far from Manchuria, it is impossible for Southern Chinese to have any Manchu admixture. Furthermore the population of Han Chinese is easily a thousand more times than the Manchu population, if anything they’d disappear like a drop in the ocean lmao
Some of Hamgyeong province of North Korea was once the land of Manchurians (in ancient time, Koguryeo people lived there who split into some portion of Manchurians and some portion of Koreans as well..Ancient nations are often difficult to distinguish by today's ethnic groups). After some acceptance of Manchurians into medieval Korean society or some wars, there ended up to be the border between China and (North)Korea of today.
Nehco Oahnait Mixed of Han chinese and Manchuria. Who the people will choose the peninshula for their first Small destination? Nope It doesn’t not make sense. Korean usually has been denied of their immigrant history and Persist that they are not Mixed people...prove they are real pure blood haha.
Historically, due to its near location between Korean peninsula and Manchuria(especially the south), there have been a great deal of battles or alliances between the two regions historically. Koreans and Manchurians are culturally different historically, but there have been lots of genetic exchanges each other (some ancient nations even consisted of the ancestor of some today-Koreans and today-Manchurians both as well) which often makes historical debate between Korea and China..
익명할래 because manchus were absorbed by han chinese thats why they lost their culture, its like a black guy in th us said hes american but america is nationality not ethnicity, its like sayin they re not from africa hahahah
Good for them! Let them preserve as much as possible. Pity they started so late. Gladly there are probably more Sibe speakers left - it is basically Manchu- so there's some hope.. I've learned manchurian long ago, and just for a while, but still when passing by a magpie I often say "saksaha" to myself and smile, as a remembrance of those days. Umesi yobo. ;)
Do you mean these elders in the video? Some of them grew up speaking only Manchu and then learned Mandarin in school (or in the case of those who didn't get to go to school, they learned as more and more people around them started speaking Mandarin). Others grew up speaking both.
Nowhere does it say that the Manchus built the Forbidden City. It's a note about the most visible and famous landmark tied to the Qing Dynasty, whose leaders ruled from there for 260+ years. There are obvious Manchu notations and artifacts for visitors today, and most people today will associate the Forbidden City with both the Ming and Qing dynasties. And if we're going to get technical, let's not forget that a large part of the Forbidden City was burned down by Li Zicheng's rebel forces before the Manchus captured Beijing. A lot of what you see today was built or restored during Qing years.
I wish i could see the whole documentary; please keep us informed on this. I am on 1 of such farms right now, here in Yanbian Korean Autonomous Prefecture. When i am back in The Netherlands there probably is no way to get my hands on this film / docu. I would love to do more though and am planning to visit some Manchu Counties and area's in the future.
Hi there - if you Google "In Search of Manchuria AND Rowena Li" you should find my website where this video and all the other videos related to this are hosted. This should be viewable in all countries. Please also feel free to email me through my website if you encounter issues or have any questions. Thanks.
Hello Roweno Li, thank you for your reply. I certainly will look up your website today. With pleasure i watched your video excerpt twice. In case I want to take further action, i will most certainly go through the website for further contact. Great work !! Very interesting. Sincerely, Ben Nijhoff - CEO of AsiaReport.com, of which ChinaReport.com is the core part. Ps: in case you have anything else or new relating to anywhere in Asia, please feel free to notify me - You can find me here on youtube but also under my personal name on Facebook and as @AsiaReportcom on twitter. All accessible via the index pages of the mentioned websites btw.
I wrote this to DragonOfQin as well. Please remember that nationality, ethnicity, and race are words of various denotations and connotations that differ when applied to the U.S. and to China. I get the point you're making here, but politically speaking, it'd be pretty difficult for any of them to become Chinese nationals. And again, I think you two are arguing about two different spans of time. DragonOfQin is talking centuries, you a lifetime.
Their Mandarin pronunciation is very good. Reason, the Manchurian language and accent exerted a profound influence on the Peking dialect of Mandarin. As the manchu soldiers nobility and royal retinue predominate in Pekinese lives , the mandarin spoken in Peking was altered and became the standard.
very interesting video, i was sure there were some few manchus who could still speak their mother tongue even if all the manchus i met told me that they have no anymore their own language and culture, that all became sinicized. There is still hope that manchus can take back at list part of their identity. Proud of these few young people who want to learn and understand their root.
The narration not quite correct. Manchurian was only one of the official language. But the official state language spoken at the court was Mandarin, which was based on Northern Chinese dialect. The Manchus adopted Chinese culture and language upon conquering China - one of the reason for the demise of Manchurian culture and language.
The Manchu's uses the Machu script, which is derived from Mongolian alphabet, which in turn is derived from Pre-Islamic Uyghur Script. The Machu's ancestors are the Jurchen's who culturally similar to the Mongols, but are also ancient rivals. So culturally and linguistically they are similar. The Manchus conquered both China and the Mongolia in the 1600s and ruled for over 300 years. So the influence goes both ways.
I found this Wikipedia resource for learning Manchu. It's obviously not as good as an actual teacher and/or native speaker, but it's something: en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Manchu There's also this: www.manchustudiesgroup.org/
The terms "race," "nationality," and "ethnicity" all have denotations and connotations. Unfortunately, at least in the U.S., the boundaries between each are unclear. It gets more difficult when applied to China, which uses "nationality" for what the U.S. means "ethnicity."
They were not only great warriors but extremely intelligent rulers. They portrayed themselves as Mandate of Heaven, Confucian rulers to the Han Chinese, Khan to the Mongols, and as Lamas to the Tibetans. They also wholeheartedly embraced Chinese high culture and over many generations they forgot their language. Have a look at the immigrant populations in the US, usually 3 generations it takes for them to only speak English.
What is really strange is that, yes, the language of "the old country" drastically declines in use after 2-3 generations, but in the case of certain communities in the U.S., a certain degree of fluency is still retained (ex. Cajun French, Mennonites and their German dialect, even certain ethnic Czechs and Poles in Texas). Most of these people are at the very least fifth-generation Americans now (by my rough calculation of 30 years/generation and using 1850 as the most recent major wave of such immigration). However, accounts show that certain Manchu garrisons (I forgot the book containing the specific details) in China proper were having trouble keeping most of their children from learning even rudimentary Manchu by the mid-1700's, so roughly 5 or less generations after the founding of the Qing.
Thanks for commenting! There are various explanations to this, but the generally accepted scholarship is that the Manchus wanted to conquer but also rule as the rightful emperors, the heavenly sons, and not just as foreigners (as during the Yuan Dynasty under the Mongols). They mixed traditional Confucian ideology with nomadic practices and continued many Ming Dynasty practices. There was also the simple issue of numbers. The Han population way outnumbered them, and they had a common language.
I'm not sure if there is a good way to answer or try to analogize this. Perhaps it could be said that it's like how Cherokees and Navajos are different but all considered Native American. That would sort of be the same as Manchus and Hans and Mongols. (Not Japanese though.) Not the best comparison though since Native Americans were never fully united under one central government, but I hope that gets the point across.
(2) There was also the simple issue of numbers. The Han population way outnumbered them, and they had a common language. (So kind of like your South America example, except in this case it was one common language rather than several.) (3) The same assimilation that eventually got them to be accepted, or at least tolerated, is what sometimes is also attributed to their eventual loss of many cultural traditions. In ruling a civilization, they'd lost many nomadic ways.
I would say "ethnic Chinese," when understood in a Western definition, would actually refer to the Han Chinese as well as all minority nationalities that do not have significant linguistic or cultural differences anymore. (Thus excluding those such as Tibetans, Bai, Yi, etc.).
Apologies, but unfortunately I can't remember the name of the song - it's probably buried somewhere in an archived (digital or actual folder, I don't even know). The singer's name is Song Xi Dong (宋熙东) and he is the man getting his queue braided at 7:13. If you search him on TH-cam w/those Chinese characters, you'll find some of his songs. I can't seem to find this one online though.
Yes dont worry the manchu language has saved ! But no1 speaks manchurian language thats some trouble over there As a Mongolian im worrying about it lol
I believe you guys are arguing about different facets of the same thing. DragonOfQin is right in that Han Chinese was originally an agglomeration of different tribes. But Bo Wong is also right that there are no longer distinct markers (DNA or cultural) that distinguish Hans from one tribe from Hans from another. It is a matter of what historic range you guys are talking about. As for nationality, geopolitically all are Chinese. But ethnicity itself is a complex matter in China.
(4) Lastly, even though the language was in poor condition at the fall of the dynasty, I think it would have survived if not for the Xihai Revolution and later, the Cultural Revolution.
The Shawnee language is also almost gone. I don't know if anyone speaks it as a first language anymore, and at last report, only about 200 speakers of Shawnee remain. That's not enough to keep it alive even when spoken on a daily basis.
Yes, beginning in the mid-1800s, most members of the royal family and of the aristocracy who were based in Beijing spoke mainly Han Chinese, with ever-decreasing amounts of Manchu knowledge.
***** Where did anyone say that the language or the Han race being pure? Where did anyone say that the Manchu's had no influence on China? Can you read?
yep totally agree, the mandarin is so much influence by manchu, i would say 99% lol, but u know han chinese will loose the face if they admited that, and dignity is so important in china, and there.s another fact is that actually they respect and admire so much manchu due to the emporors so they were like blinded by, its like a little girl who is fan of a rockstzr who will rape her, but she wont say anythin
Half-han and half-manchu here. It’s said that the Manchu language is already dead in mu grandparents generation, who belonged to the nobility in the dawn of the Chinese revolution of 1911-1912. The Chinese policy against “foreign” languages is not the only thing to blame, as one tends to do when it comes to non-Han languages. The decline came , in fact, during the peak of the Manchu rule of China (aka Qong dynasty), during which the northern Chinese official language, the Mandarin of Beijing, was made lingua franca of the Chinese Empire in the 18th century because the Manchu ruling elite has already been sinicized due to their pursuit of Chinese classical philosophy, science and culture, deemed the most prestigious in East Asia at that time. However, now in the 21st century, it is our duty as Manchu diaspora in North America to at least learn this language.
China was actually at its peak during the early-mid Qing. In its later years, it could not keep up with Western advancements. But I'd argue the same would have been the case if the Ming had stayed in power. And really, that does not say much about Manchu "culture and capabilities." How many "Han Chinese" dynasties failed/were overthrown? In your line of reasoning, does that mean it says "a lot about" their cultures and capabilities as well? I'd also hesitant to give the CPC credit for today.
Do you know what feudal is? Feudal means that political power is decentralized. Clearly this wasn't the case in unified imperial dynasties. Feudal is back during the Zhou dynasty, and Shang Dynasty. Qing was not feudal.
Thats where your wrong many of the Qing emperors families intermarried with Chinese and Japanese. last emperor Aisen goro Puyi's niece is Japanese and Manchu/Jurchen.
For those of you who, like me, came to hear Manchu spoken, the only parts of the film in Manchu language are the songs. Aside from the narration, the rest is all Mandarin Chinese.
The Forbidden City was built by the dynasty before the Manchus, the Ming. The Manchus just took it over, along with the rest of the city, but they didn't build it.
Yugan Dali hi there, as previously noted, there was no claim that the Manchus built the Forbidden City, just that as the last inhabitants, they are closely associated with it.
It is obviously important to preserve cultural heritage. But languages have always changed and that is not something bad, it's just history as the lady at the end said. Imagine how many languages existed at some point over the course of humanities history, how many have been formed and vanished again?
You are not exactly wrong in your definition of feudal, or rather, feudalism. However, your definition is an Euro-centric one. Feudalism in its traditional meaning applies mainly to medieval Europe. In terms of Chinese history, there are two broad camps of thought: one that applies the term as a direct analogy to dynasties such as the Xia, Shang, Zhou, the other encompassing all dynasties up until the overthrow of the Qing.
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They did intermarry with Han Chinese families (and I've noted this to Bo Wong) but not Japanese in general. Puyi's descendants do not count as his reign was mostly under the Manchukuo puppet state and many marriages were forced by the Japanese.
kimeli. Manchu is classified as part of the expansive Ural Altaic (Tungusic) Family, whereas the Han and the Tibetans belong to the Sino-Tibetan family.
In addition, the borders of China constantly changed during its thousands of years of dynastic history, as did the extent of its political unification. Perhaps it is not the most accurate word though, which is why I'm changing it to simply "last dynasty."
CPC likes to use feudalism to describe dynastic china to insinuate that they were somewhat primitive or backwards politically. I think to describe dynastic china as feudalistic is not accurate.
I would not argue that Manchus were seen as invaders/foreigners when they first gained control in 1644. They incorporated themselves into the existing civil service, ruling, etc. framework, but I don't believe they meant to become as assimilated as they did. I've written in the past to contest the notion that the Manchus were completely sinicized by the end of the Qing. That said, it is undeniable that they lost many of their cultural & linguistic differences.
They were struggling to keep their identity well before the end of their dynasty. If the Manchu culture were a person, then the signs of systemic organ failure and sepsis were evident as early as the mid-1700's, with a steady deterioration since shortly after 1644.
Manchukow. How soon a culture and language can disappear without state patronage. At times in history revival does come. Manchu/Manju language and culture should be encouraged along with other languages.
While the official rule was no intermarriage, in practice there actually was. Very rural and distant garrisons were indeed able to keep everything separate, but this was not the case in areas where they were much closer to Han Chinese civilization. It is part of the reason why they began to lose their language and traditions.
Diversity is a nation’s wealth. I am glad the government is encouraging the revival of Manchu language. I hope they will learn from history and allow Tibetan language to flourish without discouraging at the policy level. Otherwise, Tibetan language will soon suffer the fate of Manchu. A super power China honoring the diversity of its languages and cultures will be its strength, not weakness 🙏
The Manchurians felt a very close cultural affinity to the Mongols. But they were not nomads. They were sedentary farmers that lived in villages, and Nurhaci in his later years had this to say "You Mongols raise livestock, eat meat and wear pelts. My people till the fields and live on grain. We two are not one country and we have different languages." The relationship between the Manchurian Qing and the Mongols was on/off. Nurhaci had once told them they were cultural brothers, then doubled back on his statement. Elite Mongol warriors padded the ranks of the Qing army and aided their border wars, but during Qianlong's rule he committed genocide among a bordering tribe of Mongols living in present-day Xinjiang. Why? who knows. For the same reason maybe that the English hated the French for so long.
If they weren’t nomads how can they become such great horse riders like mongols? I mean riding horses is the way of life for nomads but farmers aren’t and they dont have open fields like nomadic.
Well, I'm not a historian: just repeating what nurhaci himself said. It's not a stretch, I think, to say that the manchurian equestrianism is a product of local culture, geography, mongolian influence, and of course a powerful drive for conquest. Manchus enjoyed hunting as well as a steady food base through farming, allowing them to practice. Remember that many european cultures developed legendary cavalry despite having not been nomadic for millenia.
that's because the man had been integrated successfully with Han's.not Han's integrated with the man.but sadly the man lost some of their original homeland the outer manchuria to Russia and now lived in Han's/Ming teritory.
I understand the point you're trying to make. Perhaps in the scope of the existence of humans, but not in modern day. It's not like having a "Hispanic" ethnicity (in the U.S.) when obviously there are different groups. It's also not like the Yi, who are actually several different ethnicities but are grouped together as the "Yi" by the PRC. In modern day China it is not possible to distinguish one Han Chinese to another.
I like to think of the more superficial cultural transfers as simply the result of contact between two cultures. As for the PRC, I believe a lot of has to do with the current geopolitical borders that are so hotly contested year after year. By acknowledging the "foreign dynasties" as Chinese, they have claim to the lands conquered during those reigns.
i am manchurian, i am trilingual ( english, chinese and spanish) even some japanese, but however i can NOT speak manchurian language, what a sad thing....
how mix are you, far out bro that means your family started to mix from the generation of your nan's nan
But many of young people from China(Manchurians maybe?) are now trying to learn Manchurians according to this video! Good for Manchurians and diverse culture of China..:)
While searching the internet, I was quite surprised to see 'manchurian learning books for Koreans' which were made in medieval ages. I've heard that in a Korean movie, some Korean actors acting Manchurian (bow)warriors learned to speak Manchurian for the movie and they said it was quite easy than they had expected due to grammatical simmilarities..
We're of different culture for sure, however, as there have been a lot of historical events (both wars or peace) among Koreans and Manchurians, I think there might be some hidden heritages of the historic relationship. Greetings from Seoul, Korea
주우찬 Manchu is Tungusic language with no relation with Korean, Japanese or Chinese.
Askar Turebekov Thanks for your explanation :) That I heard that the actors found it easy to learn Manchu was not lying, but anyway I could know new one thanks to you.^^ I hope the Manchurian language to be generated to future generation successfully.:)
kauch kauch Nonsense... Manchus don't relate neither to Koreans nor Japanese... Totally different languages.
I am of teochew and hakka ancestry from Indonesia,my ancestors came from a small village near Guangzhou,which at that time they were running away from the boxer rebellions in China because my great great grandfather was Catholic. Miraculously now i and most of my family still speak teochew and hakka and 中文,and it is kinda sad that in present time my nieces and nephews seems to pay no mind to how important it is to preserve this language as it is a sign of our priceless cultural identity. Wherever it is you are from regardless of your nationality,if you are of a chinese ancestry as well please preserve our heritage as the descendant of the people from this great culture. God bless you. Have a great day
+Kevin Adrian These stupid names like Teochew, Hakka, Fujianese, Cantonese ect are so stupid. I don't understand why so many Chinese claim ancestry like that.
Fujianese, Hakka and Cantonese are most powerful Asian in Southeast Asia like Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore.
This is stupid. The most powerful Asians in Southeast Asia...... hahahaha. This is so gay and stupid. Why not in Europe, East Asia?
Powerful meaning in term of economy and business not every southeast asian were gay you are stupid yourself
At least you could speak Hakka or Teochew. I am one of few Chinese Indonesian with Hubei ancestry, we don't even know any Hubeinese word, we only speak standard Mandarin 😂😂😂. Well, many Chinese Indonesian with Fujianese ancestry in Java don't even know any Hokkianese, my Mom is also one of them and luckily know some word. You guys are lucky to be honest 😅
I am Manchurian. I’m fluently in English, Mandarin Chinese , and french. However I don’t speak a word in Manchu language at all. This saddens me
Maybe learn it now? Many Chinese material online for learning, it sounds like something between Mandarin and Korean
FU Manchu.
@@kasikasivendjinn5345 It's not at all related to Mandarin. They're not even part of the same greater language family. They're about as related as an indo-European language would be to Arabic.
You are probably only fluent in Mandarin judging from your English. sorry. Manchu language was neglected a long time and so we should announce that it’s dead.
You should learn it. It is a highly attested language. There are a lot of documents to read.
I'm Mongolian. I can clearly understand first title without reading in English
Манж угсааны үрсдээ.
Manju / Manchu / Манж
uksura / race / угсаа
urse / children / үрс
de / to, for / дээ
It's so sad to see such powerful nomadic people totally disappeared :(
Manchu heavily borrowed from Mongolian.
Every cool! Yes, written Manchu was based in large part in Mongolian.
you mean you understand manchu alphabets?
sure in this case, I can also understand meaning of some words.
Sharavsambuu Gunchinish fantastic.
As a cultural and lingual enthusiast, I'm extremely fascinated and in love with China's 56 ethnic groups, their cultures and their languages. I have a particular passion for the Manchu (Manju Gisun) language, and I've recently found a website on Google where you can learn it. I hope this language can live on forever for generations to come.
I am from Inner Mongolia, and some of my Manchurian friend and me sometimes can be really cynical about some negative Chinese comments, they want to talk between the two ethnic groups. I admit the thing they accuse, but the truth of unity is not only units some certain groups, is to be open and welcome anyone who want to join. A true friendship is based on accepting and forgiving, not on competing and shading. BY SEPARATING OTHERS, YOU SEPARATE YOURSELF, BY LIE TO OTHERS, YOU LIE TO YOURSELF.
For deeply resonating to the situation, I give tears and respects to the Manchurian language. By seeing the encouraged comments in Chinese, in English, I just realized how beautiful this world is. For people who lost their mother tongue, listen more, believe less, and keep your faith.
Simone Bai exactly how i believe you bring tears to
my eye want to learn mancho leave the past in the past wish others would see it the same way much love to ya
My grandma used to be singing that.. It was around year 1970.. I heard that some Manchurian people had lived in far northern part of Korean peninsular.
Yes well indeed the founder of chosen dynasty had majority of his army Jurchen (former Manchu group who didn't become Manchu that went into China).
@@jungkyume
Yes, the founder of the dynasty was Manchurian.
But I'd like to say some Manchurian lived in northern part of Korean peninsular until 1970 and they obtained the citizenship of north korea and are Koreanized at the moment.
Thank you very much for sharing this documentary! I sincerely wish to learn more about the losing culture and history of the Manchu people.
You're welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
bRowenaLi
Actually I have a question on Jurchen/Manchu language for a while. I remembered that the 14-15 century Jurchen (Manchu) language looks like Korean scripts; yet the Manchu we know today looks like Mongolian script. Is there any reason behind the change?
inferno0020 Hi there, the Jurchen and Manchu scripts actually aren't related, even though Jurchens are predecessors of Manchus. Nurhaci commissioned the creation of written Manchu at the end of the 16th century. He chose to have it based on the Mongolian alphabet. I am not sure as to why he chose the Mongolian script, though my most educated guess would be due to the interactions between the nomadic Manchu and Mongol tribes at the time (a relationship that continued, as shown by the frequent marriages btwn Mongols and Manchus, esp. at the beginning of the Qing dynasty).
Thank you bRowenaLi. One of my guess is that the scripts of the Han people are relatively inconvenient for the Manchus to adapt. Even though my first language is Mandarin Chinese, I notice that spelling is more convenient than Chinese texts, which is very time-consuming.
Also, I am interested in the history of Northeast Asia now and I think most of the Chinese know too few about Manchus; they only knew them through some soap operas. However, I always think that they must have a lot of stories to tell, since they were once in charge of a prosperous, multi-ethnic empire. I also think their history in Northeast China might be more complex than most Chinese think.
inferno0020 There's a lot of fascinating literature out there. My fav historians (that write in English) on the topic are Mark Elliott, Pamela Kyle Crossley, Evelyn Rawski, and of course, Gertrude Roth Li.
As a member of the ethnic group who only recently discovered this language, this is incredibly sad...I think soon I will start studying this language.
Elvin Meng Same, I’m Manchu too, but I have no idea where to find the resources to learn the language
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@@fyfiidleo5486 you are...?
@@Jjcc-pm2ht There are some good video lectures and textbooks if you know Chinese, and in English there's a decent textbook (by Gertraude Roth Li) for learning to read Manchu!
@@Dwarfplayer yes. I've been studying Manchu for the last five years, and at this point I'm writing a Manchu textbook using the "Natural Method" behind the very effective (but unorthodox) Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata. It's been a real journey, but an incredibly rewarding one as well.
I am half-Manchu half-Han. Besides Mandarin as my native language, I can also speak English and Japanese and even a little bit of German, French. This year I am taking a Hebrew course in my university. But it is such a pity that I can still not speak fluent Manchu. I can only read Manchu with a dictionary sometimes. But I will keep learning this beautiful national language. Such a shame if we finally lose it.
I mean it's your choice. I see a lot of different languages you have a knowledge of (even European ones) but none of them is your half-native one. At this point the Manchu language deserves to die, since even its people have abandoned it.
Fuck it. Learn Manchu, it's your blood. It sounds amazing to a Westerner
it's so sad for a culture nearly extinct :((
There were thousands kinds of dead languages, even from glorious civilizatiob as ancient egypt. It's just how it is 😢.
I can feel the beautiful, and sadly defunct state of this once thriving, vibrant culture of the Manchu. Such is the course of history on beautiful, dying languages like the Manchus.
Thank you so much for this video.May the ancient Manchu culture and language be preserved !
this is so sad :( I hope the language will survive, even though it's really unlikely
Eric, The Centrist & Nazi's Worst Nightmare like Latin
Not really, right now more and more people are learning the Manchu language, especially young people.
@@tigeroflhasa3106 that's good to hear :). I am also a very young person and I want to learn Manchu one day
@@productions4452 There are sources and Discord group
@@Kreazive Really? I do have Discord. Is there a way I can join that group?
2:22 I think that guy was handsomer when he was younger.
2019 and i hope the elders are still alive and healthy!
Same for 2021
Same for 2023
Interesting. Saw the movie, War of Arrows. The Manchus (Korean actors) spoke Manchurian. Sadly, no Chinese movies where Manchurians speak Manchus (regarding movies with settings that take place a few hundred years ago).
I agree.
W L actually the han were the slave of the manchus so, its logical, even now, can u imagine more than 400 years of ruling,and they were the last until 1949 when Mao took it, so we have to wait the same time to restore the han chinese? even tho han chinese try to keep their dignity, its too late, manchu took too much, not only the culture but also the people, l i would say like 80% of the north china is mix with manchu and 40 % in the south, thats a lot
W L coz, actually beijing people control the whole companies of movies in china, and most of them are manchus so, they dont want to show their ethnicity, they tried so much to assmilate to han people, its like saying a black american that he.s african and not american, and due to the wars they had before against the han, go to take a look at " xinhai revolution" so many manchus were killed, its like the jews people in Germany
Warren Lee
The Korean actors in the movie spoke Manchu with a heavy Korean accent which is nowhere near what real Manchu sounds like. Only these real Manchus from China would be able to speak Manchu natively.
Paul Tavand
Southern China is way too far from Manchuria, it is impossible for Southern Chinese to have any Manchu admixture. Furthermore the population of Han Chinese is easily a thousand more times than the Manchu population, if anything they’d disappear like a drop in the ocean lmao
this breaks my heart. i am very obsessed with manchu culture, people, language, etc. i really want to learn manchu someday.
Some of Hamgyeong province of North Korea was once the land of Manchurians (in ancient time, Koguryeo people lived there who split into some portion of Manchurians and some portion of Koreans as well..Ancient nations are often difficult to distinguish by today's ethnic groups). After some acceptance of Manchurians into medieval Korean society or some wars, there ended up to be the border between China and (North)Korea of today.
A big portion of Manchuria was also Korean, too. Don't forget that.
I love seeing Koreans fabricated those nationalistic stories... Why Koreans are so essentialist?
darwinianpickles as the northern part of Korean Peninsula was also part of various different Chinese dynasties??? 🤷🏻♀️
Nehco Oahnait korean is mixed of chinese(Han) and manchuria(Northeast china)
Nehco Oahnait Mixed of Han chinese and Manchuria. Who the people will
choose the peninshula for their first
Small destination? Nope It doesn’t not make sense. Korean usually has been denied of their immigrant history and Persist that they are not Mixed people...prove they are real pure blood haha.
Historically, due to its near location between Korean peninsula and Manchuria(especially the south), there have been a great deal of battles or alliances between the two regions historically. Koreans and Manchurians are culturally different historically, but there have been lots of genetic exchanges each other (some ancient nations even consisted of the ancestor of some today-Koreans and today-Manchurians both as well) which often makes historical debate between Korea and China..
익명할래 because manchus were absorbed by han chinese thats why they lost their culture, its like a black guy in th us said hes american but america is nationality not ethnicity, its like sayin they re not from africa hahahah
Good for them! Let them preserve as much as possible. Pity they started so late. Gladly there are probably more Sibe speakers left - it is basically Manchu- so there's some hope.. I've learned manchurian long ago, and just for a while, but still when passing by a magpie I often say "saksaha" to myself and smile, as a remembrance of those days. Umesi yobo. ;)
Do you mean these elders in the video? Some of them grew up speaking only Manchu and then learned Mandarin in school (or in the case of those who didn't get to go to school, they learned as more and more people around them started speaking Mandarin). Others grew up speaking both.
Great Video
hey Emperor how the hell did you lose China man?
Lol - The Forbidden Place is a testimony of Manchus? It was built by the Ming Dynasty and palace of the Ming Emeprors!
Nowhere does it say that the Manchus built the Forbidden City. It's a note about the most visible and famous landmark tied to the Qing Dynasty, whose leaders ruled from there for 260+ years. There are obvious Manchu notations and artifacts for visitors today, and most people today will associate the Forbidden City with both the Ming and Qing dynasties.
And if we're going to get technical, let's not forget that a large part of the Forbidden City was burned down by Li Zicheng's rebel forces before the Manchus captured Beijing. A lot of what you see today was built or restored during Qing years.
it was built by the mongols
Those elders all look 20 years younger than their actual age!
I wish i could see the whole documentary; please keep us informed on this. I am on 1 of such farms right now, here in Yanbian Korean Autonomous Prefecture. When i am back in The Netherlands there probably is no way to get my hands on this film / docu. I would love to do more though and am planning to visit some Manchu Counties and area's in the future.
Hi there - if you Google "In Search of Manchuria AND Rowena Li" you should find my website where this video and all the other videos related to this are hosted. This should be viewable in all countries. Please also feel free to email me through my website if you encounter issues or have any questions. Thanks.
Hello Roweno Li, thank you for your reply. I certainly will look up your website today. With pleasure i watched your video excerpt twice. In case I want to take further action, i will most certainly go through the website for further contact. Great work !! Very interesting. Sincerely, Ben Nijhoff - CEO of AsiaReport.com, of which ChinaReport.com is the core part. Ps: in case you have anything else or new relating to anywhere in Asia, please feel free to notify me - You can find me here on youtube but also under my personal name on Facebook and as @AsiaReportcom on twitter. All accessible via the index pages of the mentioned websites btw.
see, now this works!! ;-) I just got back to The Netherlands and will put your video up as part of www.chinareport.com
ChinaReport.com As long as you link it back to here or to the website, I'm cool with it. Thanks!
***** Hi Shen, My apologies. I never saw your initial question about that. I am partially Manchu.
I wrote this to DragonOfQin as well. Please remember that nationality, ethnicity, and race are words of various denotations and connotations that differ when applied to the U.S. and to China.
I get the point you're making here, but politically speaking, it'd be pretty difficult for any of them to become Chinese nationals.
And again, I think you two are arguing about two different spans of time. DragonOfQin is talking centuries, you a lifetime.
Their Mandarin pronunciation is very good. Reason, the Manchurian language and accent exerted a profound influence on the Peking dialect of Mandarin. As the manchu soldiers nobility and royal retinue predominate in Pekinese lives , the mandarin spoken in Peking was altered and became the standard.
Precisely!
Read the captions at 0:03, lol!
i want learn manchu
very interesting video, i was sure there were some few manchus who could still speak their mother tongue even if all the manchus i met told me that they have no anymore their own language and culture, that all became sinicized. There is still hope that manchus can take back at list part of their identity. Proud of these few young people who want to learn and understand their root.
the young people who had learnt the manchu language should teach the world through youtube so that it will be preserved forever
The narration not quite correct. Manchurian was only one of the official language. But the official state language spoken at the court was Mandarin, which was based on Northern Chinese dialect. The Manchus adopted Chinese culture and language upon conquering China - one of the reason for the demise of Manchurian culture and language.
***** You can often find Mongolian inscriptions on Qing-era buildings in Beijing as well.
The Manchu's uses the Machu script, which is derived from Mongolian alphabet, which in turn is derived from Pre-Islamic Uyghur Script. The Machu's ancestors are the Jurchen's who culturally similar to the Mongols, but are also ancient rivals. So culturally and linguistically they are similar. The Manchus conquered both China and the Mongolia in the 1600s and ruled for over 300 years. So the influence goes both ways.
***** No I'm talking about actual Mongolian. There's Mongolian, Tibetan, Manchurian and Chinese on the tablet on top of the gate to Yong-he Gong.
The Pekinnese dialect for which Mandarin is based is basically Manchu accented Mandarin.
Very sad to see that a few of these elders showcased in the video have passed away :(
I found this Wikipedia resource for learning Manchu. It's obviously not as good as an actual teacher and/or native speaker, but it's something:
en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Manchu
There's also this:
www.manchustudiesgroup.org/
+Connor Murphy I think so too. But learning chinese keeps me busy right now.
Connor Murphy Thanks for the tip, been looking for an English guide to learning some Manchu
Thanks for the video !!
The terms "race," "nationality," and "ethnicity" all have denotations and connotations. Unfortunately, at least in the U.S., the boundaries between each are unclear. It gets more difficult when applied to China, which uses "nationality" for what the U.S. means "ethnicity."
Thank you so much !
I first heard from my father that my grandfather was manchus and Chinese . He lived once here in two Philippines, and back there at Beijing, China.
They were not only great warriors but extremely intelligent rulers. They portrayed themselves as Mandate of Heaven, Confucian rulers to the Han Chinese, Khan to the Mongols, and as Lamas to the Tibetans.
They also wholeheartedly embraced Chinese high culture and over many generations they forgot their language. Have a look at the immigrant populations in the US, usually 3 generations it takes for them to only speak English.
What is really strange is that, yes, the language of "the old country" drastically declines in use after 2-3 generations, but in the case of certain communities in the U.S., a certain degree of fluency is still retained (ex. Cajun French, Mennonites and their German dialect, even certain ethnic Czechs and Poles in Texas). Most of these people are at the very least fifth-generation Americans now (by my rough calculation of 30 years/generation and using 1850 as the most recent major wave of such immigration). However, accounts show that certain Manchu garrisons (I forgot the book containing the specific details) in China proper were having trouble keeping most of their children from learning even rudimentary Manchu by the mid-1700's, so roughly 5 or less generations after the founding of the Qing.
Manchu exhibits a sincere love of their unique cultures. The beauty of the spoken and writing must be preserved for it may be lost.
Thanks for commenting! There are various explanations to this, but the generally accepted scholarship is that the Manchus wanted to conquer but also rule as the rightful emperors, the heavenly sons, and not just as foreigners (as during the Yuan Dynasty under the Mongols). They mixed traditional Confucian ideology with nomadic practices and continued many Ming Dynasty practices.
There was also the simple issue of numbers. The Han population way outnumbered them, and they had a common language.
I'm not sure if there is a good way to answer or try to analogize this.
Perhaps it could be said that it's like how Cherokees and Navajos are different but all considered Native American. That would sort of be the same as Manchus and Hans and Mongols. (Not Japanese though.) Not the best comparison though since Native Americans were never fully united under one central government, but I hope that gets the point across.
love how they put a manchu song at the end.
滿語對我來講有一種奇怪的吸引力 聽著讓我感覺很悅耳 現在世界各個地方每天都有語言在流失 在失傳 希望這個美麗的語言能夠繼續保留著 ^ ^
I certainly hope so too! Though there's a beautiful melancholy in hearing a language so close to being lost, I'd rather it be alive than extinct.
我也希望他們能保存自己的語言。
同意，方言也是的，明明没有冲突非要搞出个对立
What a beautiful script they have!
A song at the end of video is beautiful .
What does this song say? After I watched this video. This song had kept playing in my mind then I cried.
(2) There was also the simple issue of numbers. The Han population way outnumbered them, and they had a common language. (So kind of like your South America example, except in this case it was one common language rather than several.)
(3) The same assimilation that eventually got them to be accepted, or at least tolerated, is what sometimes is also attributed to their eventual loss of many cultural traditions. In ruling a civilization, they'd lost many nomadic ways.
I would say "ethnic Chinese," when understood in a Western definition, would actually refer to the Han Chinese as well as all minority nationalities that do not have significant linguistic or cultural differences anymore. (Thus excluding those such as Tibetans, Bai, Yi, etc.).
0:46 where can I find that song? And what the name of the song?
Whats the name of the song at the beginning?
Could you please tell me the name of the song at 00:45? It sounds awesome
Apologies, but unfortunately I can't remember the name of the song - it's probably buried somewhere in an archived (digital or actual folder, I don't even know). The singer's name is Song Xi Dong (宋熙东) and he is the man getting his queue braided at 7:13. If you search him on TH-cam w/those Chinese characters, you'll find some of his songs. I can't seem to find this one online though.
Here's his wikipedia page. zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/宋熙东
What is the song around the 0:44
Yes dont worry the manchu language has saved !
But no1 speaks manchurian language thats some trouble over there
As a Mongolian im worrying about it lol
TheSoundOfMehTrueHeartingBeating
MayManchurianCultureNeverDie
forMyHeartWillTrulyCry
Does the aisin gioro clan preserved these historical cultures etc?
What is the song at the end credits please? It's beautiful! 7:20
I believe you guys are arguing about different facets of the same thing.
DragonOfQin is right in that Han Chinese was originally an agglomeration of different tribes. But Bo Wong is also right that there are no longer distinct markers (DNA or cultural) that distinguish Hans from one tribe from Hans from another. It is a matter of what historic range you guys are talking about.
As for nationality, geopolitically all are Chinese. But ethnicity itself is a complex matter in China.
(4) Lastly, even though the language was in poor condition at the fall of the dynasty, I think it would have survived if not for the Xihai Revolution and later, the Cultural Revolution.
The Shawnee language is also almost gone. I don't know if anyone speaks it as a first language anymore, and at last report, only about 200 speakers of Shawnee remain. That's not enough to keep it alive even when spoken on a daily basis.
being a manchurain, i cannot speak manchurian because my ancestor had gone to korea and lived in there.
지금 어디 사세요?
@@耶律振华 경기도 화성이요~
What's the BGM at last??
Surprisingly, it's Kuomintang that won't allow them to speak Manchurian, not the communist.
Very interesting! Can you please include in the video description above whether this was filmed in Liaoning, Jilin, or Heilongjiang?
私は日本人、縁あって奥さん漢族、昔独身時代に哈爾賓と延吉へいった。東三省に一緒に行こう
って誘ったらあなたは本当に東北が好きねー。でも私寒いからやだって。10日程雲隠れして一人で旅しようかな。
It's so sad. If you lose your language, all the things disapear like dust with your history.
In fact, Puyi did not speak Manchu as his native language anymore, he speaks Han-chinese.
Yes, beginning in the mid-1800s, most members of the royal family and of the aristocracy who were based in Beijing spoke mainly Han Chinese, with ever-decreasing amounts of Manchu knowledge.
***** Where did anyone say that the language or the Han race being pure? Where did anyone say that the Manchu's had no influence on China? Can you read?
yep totally agree, the mandarin is so much influence by manchu, i would say 99% lol, but u know han chinese will loose the face if they admited that, and dignity is so important in china, and there.s another fact is that actually they respect and admire so much manchu due to the emporors so they were like blinded by, its like a little girl who is fan of a rockstzr who will rape her, but she wont say anythin
ONE WORD: FASCINATION LOL
@Paul Tavand, complete trolling, why do you hate chinese people so much that you have to make stuff up to mock us. are you white american?
Half-han and half-manchu here. It’s said that the Manchu language is already dead in mu grandparents generation, who belonged to the nobility in the dawn of the Chinese revolution of 1911-1912. The Chinese policy against “foreign” languages is not the only thing to blame, as one tends to do when it comes to non-Han languages. The decline came , in fact, during the peak of the Manchu rule of China (aka Qong dynasty), during which the northern Chinese official language, the Mandarin of Beijing, was made lingua franca of the Chinese Empire in the 18th century because the Manchu ruling elite has already been sinicized due to their pursuit of Chinese classical philosophy, science and culture, deemed the most prestigious in East Asia at that time. However, now in the 21st century, it is our duty as Manchu diaspora in North America to at least learn this language.
China was actually at its peak during the early-mid Qing. In its later years, it could not keep up with Western advancements. But I'd argue the same would have been the case if the Ming had stayed in power.
And really, that does not say much about Manchu "culture and capabilities." How many "Han Chinese" dynasties failed/were overthrown? In your line of reasoning, does that mean it says "a lot about" their cultures and capabilities as well? I'd also hesitant to give the CPC credit for today.
The Qing dynasty was fairly advanced before they secluded themselves
but how is it possible ? who ruled country they did'nt contribute to preserve their own language ?
Do you know what feudal is? Feudal means that political power is decentralized. Clearly this wasn't the case in unified imperial dynasties. Feudal is back during the Zhou dynasty, and Shang Dynasty. Qing was not feudal.
Thats where your wrong many of the Qing emperors families intermarried with Chinese and Japanese. last emperor Aisen goro Puyi's niece is Japanese and Manchu/Jurchen.
For those of you who, like me, came to hear Manchu spoken, the only parts of the film in Manchu language are the songs. Aside from the narration, the rest is all Mandarin Chinese.
Yugan Dali If you look in the description, there are links to other videos related to this film that are in Manchu with translated captions.
The Forbidden City was built by the dynasty before the Manchus, the Ming. The Manchus just took it over, along with the rest of the city, but they didn't build it.
Yugan Dali hi there, as previously noted, there was no claim that the Manchus built the Forbidden City, just that as the last inhabitants, they are closely associated with it.
this is fascinating
It is obviously important to preserve cultural heritage. But languages have always changed and that is not something bad, it's just history as the lady at the end said. Imagine how many languages existed at some point over the course of humanities history, how many have been formed and vanished again?
how did they the Manchu,s speak mandarin?
You are not exactly wrong in your definition of feudal, or rather, feudalism. However, your definition is an Euro-centric one. Feudalism in its traditional meaning applies mainly to medieval Europe.
In terms of Chinese history, there are two broad camps of thought: one that applies the term as a direct analogy to dynasties such as the Xia, Shang, Zhou, the other encompassing all dynasties up until the overthrow of the Qing.
You're welcome.
As to your other questions, pls expand the video description & click on the link there. (they won't let me link it in comments)
Each video has an embed code. Just give proper credit and you are free to embed it. Thanks.
Once an imperial dynasty
Now on the brink of extinction, the hate towards Qing dynasty is real among the Han Chinese youth now.
Kasikasiven Djinn 😢
@@kasikasivendjinn5345 its very sad to see...
They did intermarry with Han Chinese families (and I've noted this to Bo Wong) but not Japanese in general. Puyi's descendants do not count as his reign was mostly under the Manchukuo puppet state and many marriages were forced by the Japanese.
What's the song from 0:43 - 0:54?
Look up "宋熙东"
谢谢，具体是哪首歌？
Bo Han 具体我也不太清楚,声音肯定是他没错.
darude-sandstorm
Bejing people were Manju or Han?
Han
Daphne Joanna Schultze but a lot of manju also, its like 50/50
you westerners need to understand that manchu is a sub ethnic group of Han chinese, like canton, hokkien, shanghai, etc.
That's simply not true though. The Manchu have more in common with Mongols than the Han
kimeli. Manchu is classified as part of the expansive Ural Altaic (Tungusic) Family, whereas the Han and the Tibetans belong to the Sino-Tibetan family.
In addition, the borders of China constantly changed during its thousands of years of dynastic history, as did the extent of its political unification.
Perhaps it is not the most accurate word though, which is why I'm changing it to simply "last dynasty."
CPC likes to use feudalism to describe dynastic china to insinuate that they were somewhat primitive or backwards politically. I think to describe dynastic china as feudalistic is not accurate.
I would not argue that Manchus were seen as invaders/foreigners when they first gained control in 1644. They incorporated themselves into the existing civil service, ruling, etc. framework, but I don't believe they meant to become as assimilated as they did. I've written in the past to contest the notion that the Manchus were completely sinicized by the end of the Qing. That said, it is undeniable that they lost many of their cultural & linguistic differences.
They were struggling to keep their identity well before the end of their dynasty. If the Manchu culture were a person, then the signs of systemic organ failure and sepsis were evident as early as the mid-1700's, with a steady deterioration since shortly after 1644.
A beautiful artifact of the past. A pity it is on the verge of extinction.
Manchukow.
How soon a culture and language can disappear without state patronage. At times in history revival does come. Manchu/Manju language and culture should be encouraged along with other languages.
While the official rule was no intermarriage, in practice there actually was. Very rural and distant garrisons were indeed able to keep everything separate, but this was not the case in areas where they were much closer to Han Chinese civilization. It is part of the reason why they began to lose their language and traditions.
Sad that the old people don't speak manchu in the video, they all only talk mandarin :(
Diversity is a nation’s wealth. I am glad the government is encouraging the revival of Manchu language. I hope they will learn from history and allow Tibetan language to flourish without discouraging at the policy level. Otherwise, Tibetan language will soon suffer the fate of Manchu. A super power China honoring the diversity of its languages and cultures will be its strength, not weakness 🙏
The Manchurians felt a very close cultural affinity to the Mongols. But they were not nomads. They were sedentary farmers that lived in villages, and Nurhaci in his later years had this to say "You Mongols raise livestock, eat meat and wear pelts. My people till the fields and live on grain. We two are not one country and we have different languages."
The relationship between the Manchurian Qing and the Mongols was on/off. Nurhaci had once told them they were cultural brothers, then doubled back on his statement. Elite Mongol warriors padded the ranks of the Qing army and aided their border wars, but during Qianlong's rule he committed genocide among a bordering tribe of Mongols living in present-day Xinjiang. Why? who knows. For the same reason maybe that the English hated the French for so long.
If they weren’t nomads how can they become such great horse riders like mongols? I mean riding horses is the way of life for nomads but farmers aren’t and they dont have open fields like nomadic.
Well, I'm not a historian: just repeating what nurhaci himself said.
It's not a stretch, I think, to say that the manchurian equestrianism is a product of local culture, geography, mongolian influence, and of course a powerful drive for conquest. Manchus enjoyed hunting as well as a steady food base through farming, allowing them to practice. Remember that many european cultures developed legendary cavalry despite having not been nomadic for millenia.
i am of manchu descend, and i don't feel any affinity with mongols, i consider myself Han chinese.
that's because the man had been integrated successfully with Han's.not Han's integrated with the man.but sadly the man lost some of their original homeland the outer manchuria to Russia and now lived in Han's/Ming teritory.
Looks like its Mongolian.
Hi, you would be right. Written Manchurian was created using Mongolian as a basis.
The Mongols nearly destroyed China too, but China always finds a way to survive.
6packter Hey, we are still here!
same people
Hongster Hong fuck off
The first lady remind me of Mulan's grandmother.
I can understand that, but there still many Manchus who do care. To each his own.
I understand the point you're trying to make. Perhaps in the scope of the existence of humans, but not in modern day. It's not like having a "Hispanic" ethnicity (in the U.S.) when obviously there are different groups. It's also not like the Yi, who are actually several different ethnicities but are grouped together as the "Yi" by the PRC. In modern day China it is not possible to distinguish one Han Chinese to another.
I want to learn the language....
I like to think of the more superficial cultural transfers as simply the result of contact between two cultures.
As for the PRC, I believe a lot of has to do with the current geopolitical borders that are so hotly contested year after year. By acknowledging the "foreign dynasties" as Chinese, they have claim to the lands conquered during those reigns.
You're welcome! (Sorry I never learned what that is in Manchu.)