Thank you! I've watched a lot of Haven tent hammock videos, but I don't know why it took so long to find your video that demonstrated the use as a tent. That was my primary interest. I was already sold on hammock camping. I did a lot of ultralight hammock camping in the 70's and 80's when I wanted a jungle hammock but had to make do with a conventional curved hammock (teenagers can sleep anywhere), a separate tarp, and no bug netting. I have been very happy with my Hennessy hammock for over a decade but now that I'm getting too old for backpacking, bike camping and kayak camping, I wanted to do some ultralight ADV motorcycle camping. The problem is, motorcycles travel longer distances and many places have no trees - desert, plains, above the treeline, etc. I was very excited about the idea of the Haven that could be used as a hammock or a tent. I'd been wanting that capability long before ADV motorcycle camping. I can see why there aren't many videos showing the Haven as a tent. The tent feature looks like an afterthought, requiring trekking poles, guy lines, additional pegs, etc. I'm already carrying a Z Rest foam pad and air mattress for cooler hammock camping, so I can add the same items to my Hennessy hammock and use it as a ground shelter with the Z Rest foam pad protecting the air mattress from punctures. I'll probably get/make some lighter weight tent poles since I have no need for trekking poles other than as tent poles.
The video is pretty recent, so maybe that's why! It does make it pretty versatile. It's not perfect as a hammock or a tent, but it's better than only having a tent!
I too, would like to adventure ride with a motorcycle, but I’m not sure about the parking size and the weight versus a bike packing tent, which is a lot smaller and lighter but I love the concept of the hammock tent combo. Just not sure about it if it’s functional or a gimmick.
@@TheZakkmylde - There are definitely smaller and lighter options than the Haven. I think my Hennessy hammock plus an ultralight backpacking tent are lighter than the Haven XL, and in fact, many ADV motorcyclists carry a hammock and a tent. However, the Haven is not a gimmick. Check out the videos by Moto Giant. He lived in his Haven for 8 months, and he's a very big guy and not particularly delicate with equipment. The extra weight of the Haven XL or Safari models isn't wasted weight. The Haven is very durable, and people are very impressed with the comfort. BTW - I did add poles, stakes, and ground cloth to be able to use my Hennessy hammock as a small tent as mentioned in my comment 10 months ago. It works but it's not optimal. It wasn't designed to be used as a tent. The clever bottom entry that works so well for the Hennessy hammock is inconvenient when used as a tent. Hennessy now has a side entry option and I'd recommend that for tent use. The Hennessy is much lighter and packs much smaller than the Haven (even if adding the items to pitch it as a tent), so that's a big plus for me.
@@Liberty4Ever thank you sir. I didn’t realize there are many other tree tent options like the haven. I just want the lightest and smallest possible size for my small dirt bike that’s comfy to have that option to get off the ground if needed. Great job 😀
Great video Mark, as usual. I've been making and using my whoopies with 2" buries out of amsteel 7/64 for many years now, and never have had a problem with them. I replace them when they start getting frayed and shabby, but that's the nature of amsteel in general.
Hey Mark, I have been watching your videos for a long time. You mentioned you got cold while camping in the haven XL in one of your previous videos, have you considered getting the insulated pad cover? I am curious if that would help add more R value as they state on the website? I would love you get that accessory and try it out on a video. Thanks and keep up the great vids. Charles H. from TN
@@TheZakkmylde i used this hammock in -8 degrees with no problem except getting cold on my feets. But this was due to me taking off my socks before going to sleep
Just got done with the first camping trip of spring in mine - it rained for about 3 days and I stayed perfectly dry. Just make sure to have some kind of a drip line like you would on any hammock and tarp setup.
adjustable poles should always be recomendded, it allows you to easily adjust the height of the ridgeline to get the haven properly level/off the ground without the top sagging down
well, relly like it ... but: unfortunately in Germany it is strictly forbidden to use a tent outdoors for sleeping! Except of special marked camping sites (which are always rather touristy and crowded) ... but everywhere else? you get fined if you use a tent! ... sleeping bag and Tarp ist kind of a grey zone, but usually tolerated. But no tent.
@@TheZakkmylde Germany is so densly populated that either every bit of Land is owned by someone (and therefore forbidden to camp unless you ask the landlord for permission) or gov. owned forrests/lands which are seen as safe spaces for the remaining wild animal population (deer, wild boar etc ... unless it is hunting season). You may wander off road/trail, but even that is in some protected areas and some counties forbidden. So officially erecting a tent just somewhere in the wood or near a river is a strict no-no. Rule is: unless you havent read somewhere that it is explicitely allowed, it is forbidden. There is a hole in the regulations which basically allow sleeping under a tarp with nothing else, but if you get caught it is higly dependant on the police if they say ok or fine you
Have a buddy looking at getting one, and had the opportunity to get "lighter" bars but we had no idea how much the ones it came with weighed. As with most things on the internet we thought we should ask first. Lol
LOL, I don't know that I agree, I think it hits a specific group of people. I know it's not what most of us will throw in the backpack to go hit the trail, but doesn't mean it doesn't have a place.
Depends on what you think a tent or hammock is supposed to be. If you define a tent as a portable textile constructed shelter, it fits the bill. If you define a hammock as a bit of fabric stretched between two trees that can be slept on, it works for that too. Very well I might add. The only place it falls short is when you start looking for backpackability. It's a bit heavy. But thats not the end of the world. Considering that it comes with a sleep pad and rain tarp, it's very competitively priced as well. Would have to spend upwards of $700 for a similar experience if you gathered comparable components yourself.
@@samus4799 all good points. i think those who bought this product will eventually add to their shelf of regrets, and spend additional money to get a better setup.
@@j3hikes444 Owned mine for a little over a year now, used just over a dozen times. That shelf of regrets certainly has some cheap tents and crappy air mattresses on it, but this thing is still my go-to for camping, albeit with a different tarp because I like it up off me more.
Excellent review of a great bunch of gear. Nice to see the versatility of the Haven system.
Thank you! I've watched a lot of Haven tent hammock videos, but I don't know why it took so long to find your video that demonstrated the use as a tent. That was my primary interest. I was already sold on hammock camping. I did a lot of ultralight hammock camping in the 70's and 80's when I wanted a jungle hammock but had to make do with a conventional curved hammock (teenagers can sleep anywhere), a separate tarp, and no bug netting. I have been very happy with my Hennessy hammock for over a decade but now that I'm getting too old for backpacking, bike camping and kayak camping, I wanted to do some ultralight ADV motorcycle camping. The problem is, motorcycles travel longer distances and many places have no trees - desert, plains, above the treeline, etc. I was very excited about the idea of the Haven that could be used as a hammock or a tent. I'd been wanting that capability long before ADV motorcycle camping.
I can see why there aren't many videos showing the Haven as a tent. The tent feature looks like an afterthought, requiring trekking poles, guy lines, additional pegs, etc. I'm already carrying a Z Rest foam pad and air mattress for cooler hammock camping, so I can add the same items to my Hennessy hammock and use it as a ground shelter with the Z Rest foam pad protecting the air mattress from punctures. I'll probably get/make some lighter weight tent poles since I have no need for trekking poles other than as tent poles.
The video is pretty recent, so maybe that's why! It does make it pretty versatile. It's not perfect as a hammock or a tent, but it's better than only having a tent!
I too, would like to adventure ride with a motorcycle, but I’m not sure about the parking size and the weight versus a bike packing tent, which is a lot smaller and lighter but I love the concept of the hammock tent combo. Just not sure about it if it’s functional or a gimmick.
@@TheZakkmylde - There are definitely smaller and lighter options than the Haven. I think my Hennessy hammock plus an ultralight backpacking tent are lighter than the Haven XL, and in fact, many ADV motorcyclists carry a hammock and a tent. However, the Haven is not a gimmick. Check out the videos by Moto Giant. He lived in his Haven for 8 months, and he's a very big guy and not particularly delicate with equipment. The extra weight of the Haven XL or Safari models isn't wasted weight. The Haven is very durable, and people are very impressed with the comfort.
BTW - I did add poles, stakes, and ground cloth to be able to use my Hennessy hammock as a small tent as mentioned in my comment 10 months ago. It works but it's not optimal. It wasn't designed to be used as a tent. The clever bottom entry that works so well for the Hennessy hammock is inconvenient when used as a tent. Hennessy now has a side entry option and I'd recommend that for tent use. The Hennessy is much lighter and packs much smaller than the Haven (even if adding the items to pitch it as a tent), so that's a big plus for me.
@@Liberty4Ever thank you sir. I didn’t realize there are many other tree tent options like the haven. I just want the lightest and smallest possible size for my small dirt bike that’s comfy to have that option to get off the ground if needed. Great job 😀
Great video Mark, as usual. I've been making and using my whoopies with 2" buries out of amsteel 7/64 for many years now, and never have had a problem with them. I replace them when they start getting frayed and shabby, but that's the nature of amsteel in general.
Good stuff! I'm convinced!
Great review.
Don't forget Kayakers! That's what I plan to do with it.
Good point!
Hey Mark, I have been watching your videos for a long time. You mentioned you got cold while camping in the haven XL in one of your previous videos, have you considered getting the insulated pad cover? I am curious if that would help add more R value as they state on the website? I would love you get that accessory and try it out on a video. Thanks and keep up the great vids.
Charles H. from TN
They don't have the insulated cover for the XL yet.
Thanks for watching and the positive feedback, sincerely appreciated!
How cold did it get I’m curious and in Canada so before I buys would be great to know what tent is capable of
@@TheZakkmylde i used this hammock in -8 degrees with no problem except getting cold on my feets. But this was due to me taking off my socks before going to sleep
I Enjoyed your video. Why did you not put a ground sheet down??
It's not required, I didn't have one, and if you're using this as a hammock you probably wouldn't be carrying one.
Laughed when I saw the person coming out of the woods in the background
The joys of filming along a walking path!
Would be nice if they offered actual tent poles, for those that don’t pack trekking poles,,,
Might be something worth recommending to them.
I mean, if you're getting this and plan to use it in this way, then it's sort of understood that you're going to need to change it up and get them.
I would really like to see it set up in the rain. How water resistant is it?
Next rain I'll try to get out and get some video done!
Just got done with the first camping trip of spring in mine - it rained for about 3 days and I stayed perfectly dry. Just make sure to have some kind of a drip line like you would on any hammock and tarp setup.
@JRWiley the creator was in it during a tropical rainstorm with 40+mph winds, stayed dry
Do u still recommend adjustable poles?
adjustable poles should always be recomendded, it allows you to easily adjust the height of the ridgeline to get the haven properly level/off the ground without the top sagging down
well, relly like it ... but: unfortunately in Germany it is strictly forbidden to use a tent outdoors for sleeping! Except of special marked camping sites (which are always rather touristy and crowded) ... but everywhere else? you get fined if you use a tent! ... sleeping bag and Tarp ist kind of a grey zone, but usually tolerated. But no tent.
Really why is it forbidden?
@@TheZakkmylde Germany is so densly populated that either every bit of Land is owned by someone (and therefore forbidden to camp unless you ask the landlord for permission) or gov. owned forrests/lands which are seen as safe spaces for the remaining wild animal population (deer, wild boar etc ... unless it is hunting season). You may wander off road/trail, but even that is in some protected areas and some counties forbidden.
So officially erecting a tent just somewhere in the wood or near a river is a strict no-no. Rule is: unless you havent read somewhere that it is explicitely allowed, it is forbidden. There is a hole in the regulations which basically allow sleeping under a tarp with nothing else, but if you get caught it is higly dependant on the police if they say ok or fine you
Unless you are in the federal state of Brandenburg. There it is allowed to camp wild for one night. Except, of course, in nature reserves or similar
How much does the spreader bars weigh?
I'll have to pull them out and weigh them.
Have a buddy looking at getting one, and had the opportunity to get "lighter" bars but we had no idea how much the ones it came with weighed. As with most things on the internet we thought we should ask first. Lol
seeing more and more of this product, i've come to this conclusion: it's not very good at being a tent or hammock.
LOL, I don't know that I agree, I think it hits a specific group of people. I know it's not what most of us will throw in the backpack to go hit the trail, but doesn't mean it doesn't have a place.
Depends on what you think a tent or hammock is supposed to be.
If you define a tent as a portable textile constructed shelter, it fits the bill.
If you define a hammock as a bit of fabric stretched between two trees that can be slept on, it works for that too. Very well I might add.
The only place it falls short is when you start looking for backpackability. It's a bit heavy. But thats not the end of the world.
Considering that it comes with a sleep pad and rain tarp, it's very competitively priced as well. Would have to spend upwards of $700 for a similar experience if you gathered comparable components yourself.
@@samus4799 all good points. i think those who bought this product will eventually add to their shelf of regrets, and spend additional money to get a better setup.
@@j3hikes444 Owned mine for a little over a year now, used just over a dozen times. That shelf of regrets certainly has some cheap tents and crappy air mattresses on it, but this thing is still my go-to for camping, albeit with a different tarp because I like it up off me more.
@@j3hikes444mines definitely not on my shelf. Very versatile set-up. No regrets here.