A great discussion. I really enjoyed the fact that you have touched on the contradictions in the Bible. That's a topic which might need to be discussed on its own. God bless you for this ministry to prosper for His glory.
Profound statements by Jesus impacted me as a teenager and never left me. 1) Before Abraham was I Am. 2) I Am the Way the Truth and the Life, nobody comes to the Father except through Me. There is no other name under heaven, that I know of, who made such claims. I asked myself why would anyone make up such statements. Also Jesus always had the right profound answers to trick questions like when he asked for a coin and said who's image is on it and said, give unto Caesar that which is Caesar and to God that which is Gods. Incredible wisdom. Maranatha
@Mandosbando they are all dead. None of the were before Abraham was. And what make you think I never read their books? None of them claimed to be God or worked miracles. None of what they say is fact, just imaginings and thoughts just like you or anyone else could do if they tried.
Krishna makes those exact claims in the Bhagavad Gita, him, Jesus, and Buddha have a lot of very VERY similar sayings just withing their culture. In fact John has A LOT in common with it But Krishna has pretty much those identical claims except he didn't say he was before Abraham but before creation. John rips off the Bhagavad Gita and Hindu ideas big time
@@Mamba4.8 Did any of them rise from the dead. Did any of them create the universe? They are all dead and not coming back. Jesus is returning very soon. Maranatha
@Mamba4.8 th-cam.com/users/shorts4lMq2MzJ8JE?si=9AXkKgZDjmd_MKJo James Warner has many videos that confirm Christian is true. One in particular he shows how all other gods throughout history make similar claims to Jesus Christ, many were added after Jesus Christ lived. From memory I think that the total number of claims James discovered is 15. All other gods between them don't have more than half while Jesus has 15. He also proves the the other gods added from what Jesus accomplished during his ministry. So don't be deceived by false claims. Jesus has eye witnesses to all his miracles. Bible prophecies prove the divinity of Jesus Christ as he fulfilled over 100 Old Testament prophecies during His lifetime and for that to happen by chance is mathematically impossible! Maranatha
God, according to Christian’s, loaded the NT full of warnings about Jesus. Jesus shows up, does amazing miracles, affecting thousands of people, preaches his word for three years….. and his people have him killed. If people expecting him and witnessing his life and preaching have him killed why would you worship him? There is some disconnect between the reality of a Jesus and the gospels. Not a single Martyr for the living Jesus.
Excellent interview in the scope of the Gospels and coupled with great questions and in depth explanation in the answers by this historian - scholar with the most important person and manifestation of the man and God Jesus Christ that is in my personal opinion that I strongly believe most skeptics and atheist of course would not agree with me. Jesus of Nazareth to the cross and executed by the Jews who made sure said execution would be fully endorsed and the Romans to fully carry it out to see that the execution of Jesus of Nazareth would be as well carried out. The powerful and beyond remarkable result as that with both the endorsement and push on forward to make sure Jesus of Nazareth would be violently executed by order of the Jews and carried out to get it done by the Romans then regardless of the humiliation and beyond horrible unforgivable most unjust murder in the flesh of God Himself in the human manifestation in Jesus Christ He then Jesus Christ King of Kings defeated death by been Risen on the third day. Death could not defeat Him because He is God. ‘ My Father and I are ONE ‘ This is what the world in general has missed by just focusing on the person of Jesus of Nazareth but sadly enough to focusing on the most powerful even that is so profound without doubt or argument that indeed by faith and with evidence as it was witnessed by more than 500 people ( Jews ) primarily as for 40 days the Risen Jesus Christ the Resurrected Jesus Christ was seen and some of these witnesses sat to eat with Him and listened to Him and spoke to Him and very likely like Thomas also touched Him to attest of His powerful Resurrection because He is God. No greater man and perfect Loving God than Jesus Christ in which no rejection and denial even of His existence that many hold as fact that Jesus ‘ never existed ‘ like the present day Jews hold solidly to this insane reality in their religious mindset in their veils that keeps them blind folded in such position. I appreciate the conversation however although informative the missing aspect of the dryness and subdue atmosphere of said conversation does not move me internally in my heart and soul however Jesus Christ who is my blessed Loving foundation does moves me inside very deeply and powerfully because the Love and reverence to Him is my greatest gift to live and even die for … Without Jesus Christ in me I am nothing…! ! ! ! ❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏🙏
That's a goofy argument. Jesus asked may the his disciples be one just as he and the Father are one. Does that mean his disciples can also be God. Jesus never claimed to be God. He only repeatedly and exclusively claimed his Father to be God.
The two sons and the prodigal son are two different ones, are they not? The two brothers is about them both being asked to work and one says no, but he ends up working... the one to say yes, doesn't end up coming. That's a bit different from the prodigal son. I'm a little confused.
@@Shaun36183you probably think that's a gotcha moment, right 😂? You realize that the material didn't last that long, do you? The sources we do have are still way closer to the actual person than any other historical source of the time.
@Shaun36183 P52 is a fragment of part of John 18 and dates to 117 to about 125. This is very early compared to available manuscripts for other ancient works.
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I trust G-d/God not the Bible. The Bible isn't a divinity. This is why I ignore most Protestant apologetics. Fortunately, I have Jesus Christ in my heart, and I am in His heart.
But everything you know about God and Christ comes from Holy Scripture (the Bible). God himself and Christ endorsed the Bible. St. Paul called it inspired of God.
@williambranch4283 God and Christ never endorsed Moby Dick, nor is it inspired. Bad analogy. The Bible is the primary source of what we know about God and Christ. It's called Special Revelation.
Wrong. That's not in the Bible. It's actually "in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God". Nowhere does it say it's made. It's in fact what God uses to make everything else - His word. And without it, nothing is made.
It's absolutely shocking that you can radically go against so many extremely clear scriptures that directly state in Jesus's own words that his Father is greater than he, that he is returning to his Father who sent him, that only the Father knows the time of the end, not even the son, that even his followers would do greater things that he, also to question, why his Father had forsaken him, then that His Father had ressurected him, additionally that after Jesus's thousand year rein he would give back the keys if the kingdom to his Father who had commissioned him and there are more,,,,, also in John where he says Jesus is God's only begotten SON, clearly defines Jesus as born from his father,, and then when John said Jesus was the word and a God as a lesser subsequent being in relation to his Father,, all of this and more clearly makes Jesus a unique but nevertheless lesser being than the Father, ,, he is the high priest at the Father's right hand..... to negate all of this and say Jesus IS GOD, is outrageously incoherent if a person actually believes the Bible is essentially true.... I Challenge you to reconsider your out of context stance, with regard to the biblical references above.
Jesus is God. You must not believe in the triune-3 persons making up God. Matthew chapter 28 verse 18: "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." Also, Jesus rose from the dead. We have proof of that. The Shroud of Turin. They have done a new test on a thread and it dates back to the time of his death. You might want to study it. No one has ever risen from the dead which is proof he is God.
Jesus was not a genius because he said a couple of wise things.Do you not see he was being presented as a "philosopher king" so that he would be more accepted by the Greek gentiles?? Even the naked boy in Mark was clearly put there to appease an audience who practice Pedarasty and increase the likeablity of Jesus to the higher class in Greece. The true geniuses are Socrates, Plato and Aristotle.
Can you trust the gospels simple answer no they are not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John so they started off by trying to deceive all trust is lost.
Most Christians were killed for their faith. Their faith was in what the Gospels claimed. Therefore, if the Gospels are a lie, why would you die for it? Secondly, if the Gospels are pure fictional, why have they survived until today, and why so many Christians today are being killed for believing in those 4 Gospels?
_Most Christians were killed for their faith_ A mere claim, not proven. Just saying some people were martyred does not mean they were, let alone they were real people and not just some literary figures created to impress the gullible
@@rubengavriliuc1669 Not a very good answer "Most christians were killed for their faith" A petty broad claim. Have you any idea how many christians were killed during WWI & WWII and this was nothing to do with their faith. Dying for the gospels does not prove them right or wrong it just means the people prepared to die believed them. Try reading about Heaven's Gate or Jonestown these are just two of many are you going to say their beliefs were true. Who claimed the Gospels were pure fiction? I said I would not trust them and a reason why.
@@rubengavriliuc1669 Not a very good answer "Most christians were killed for their faith" A petty broad claim. Have you any idea how many christians were killed during WWI & WWII and this was nothing to do with their faith. Dying for the gospels does not prove them right or wrong it just means the people prepared to die believed them. Try reading about Heaven's Gate or Jonestown these are just two of many are you going to say their beliefs were true. Who claimed the Gospels were pure fiction? I said I would not trust them and a reason why.
@@rubengavriliuc1669 truthgiver8286 they blocked me obviously they don't tollerate opposing views It's a very good answer "Most christians were killed for their faith" A petty broad claim. Have you any idea how many christians were killed during WWI & WWII and this was nothing to do with their faith. Dying for the gospels does not prove them right or wrong it just means the people prepared to die believed them. Try reading about Heaven's Gate or Jonestown these are just two of many are you going to say their beliefs were true. Who claimed the Gospels were pure fiction? I said I would not trust them and a reason why.
A great discussion. I really enjoyed the fact that you have touched on the contradictions in the Bible. That's a topic which might need to be discussed on its own.
God bless you for this ministry to prosper for His glory.
Profound statements by Jesus impacted me as a teenager and never left me.
1) Before Abraham was I Am.
2) I Am the Way the Truth and the Life, nobody comes to the Father except through Me.
There is no other name under heaven, that I know of, who made such claims. I asked myself why would anyone make up such statements. Also Jesus always had the right profound answers to trick questions like when he asked for a coin and said who's image is on it and said, give unto Caesar that which is Caesar and to God that which is Gods. Incredible wisdom. Maranatha
its because you havent read anything on Socrates, Plato and Aristotle...I once also thought Jesus was most profound.
@Mandosbando they are all dead. None of the were before Abraham was. And what make you think I never read their books? None of them claimed to be God or worked miracles. None of what they say is fact, just imaginings and thoughts just like you or anyone else could do if they tried.
Krishna makes those exact claims in the Bhagavad Gita, him, Jesus, and Buddha have a lot of very VERY similar sayings just withing their culture. In fact John has A LOT in common with it
But Krishna has pretty much those identical claims except he didn't say he was before Abraham but before creation. John rips off the Bhagavad Gita and Hindu ideas big time
@@Mamba4.8
Did any of them rise from the dead. Did any of them create the universe? They are all dead and not coming back. Jesus is returning very soon. Maranatha
@Mamba4.8
th-cam.com/users/shorts4lMq2MzJ8JE?si=9AXkKgZDjmd_MKJo
James Warner has many videos that confirm Christian is true. One in particular he shows how all other gods throughout history make similar claims to Jesus Christ, many were added after Jesus Christ lived. From memory I think that the total number of claims James discovered is 15. All other gods between them don't have more than half while Jesus has 15. He also proves the the other gods added from what Jesus accomplished during his ministry. So don't be deceived by false claims. Jesus has eye witnesses to all his miracles. Bible prophecies prove the divinity of Jesus Christ as he fulfilled over 100 Old Testament prophecies during His lifetime and for that to happen by chance is mathematically impossible! Maranatha
Can we rely on the gospels? YES
Amen
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God, according to Christian’s, loaded the NT full of warnings about Jesus. Jesus shows up, does amazing miracles, affecting thousands of people, preaches his word for three years….. and his people have him killed. If people expecting him and witnessing his life and preaching have him killed why would you worship him? There is some disconnect between the reality of a Jesus and the gospels. Not a single Martyr for the living Jesus.
@@michelassaf2136do you affirm or deny the resurrection of Jesus Christ of Nazareth?
@@JezuesChavezYou mention the people of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Do you mean the Jewish people as a whole, or only His true followers?
Excellent interview in the scope of the Gospels and coupled with great questions and in depth explanation in the answers by this historian - scholar with the most important person and manifestation of the man and God Jesus Christ that is in my personal opinion that I strongly believe most skeptics and atheist of course would not agree with me. Jesus of Nazareth to the cross and executed by the Jews who made sure said execution would be fully endorsed and the Romans to fully carry it out to see that the execution of Jesus of Nazareth would be as well carried out. The powerful and beyond remarkable result as that with both the endorsement and push on forward to make sure Jesus of Nazareth would be violently executed by order of the Jews and carried out to get it done by the Romans then regardless of the humiliation and beyond horrible unforgivable most unjust murder in the flesh of God Himself in the human manifestation in Jesus Christ He then Jesus Christ King of Kings defeated death by been Risen on the third day. Death could not defeat Him because He is God. ‘ My Father and I are ONE ‘ This is what the world in general has missed by just focusing on the person of Jesus of Nazareth but sadly enough to focusing on the most powerful even that is so profound without doubt or argument that indeed by faith and with evidence as it was witnessed by more than 500 people ( Jews ) primarily as for 40 days the Risen Jesus Christ the Resurrected Jesus Christ was seen and some of these witnesses sat to eat with Him and listened to Him and spoke to Him and very likely like Thomas also touched Him to attest of His powerful Resurrection because He is God. No greater man and perfect Loving God than Jesus Christ in which no rejection and denial even of His existence that many hold as fact that Jesus ‘ never existed ‘ like the present day Jews hold solidly to this insane reality in their religious mindset in their veils that keeps them blind folded in such position.
I appreciate the conversation however although informative the missing aspect of the dryness and subdue atmosphere of said conversation does not move me internally in my heart and soul however Jesus Christ who is my blessed Loving foundation does moves me inside very deeply and powerfully because the Love and reverence to Him is my greatest gift to live and even die for …
Without Jesus Christ in me I am nothing…! ! ! !
❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏🙏
Brilliant! Peter's a wonderful - complete unique defender of our faith in Jesus Christ!
Thank you
Kind regards Kim, Denmark
I and My Father are One.
That's a goofy argument. Jesus asked may the his disciples be one just as he and the Father are one. Does that mean his disciples can also be God. Jesus never claimed to be God. He only repeatedly and exclusively claimed his Father to be God.
I ask whether there might also be a parallel of the two sons scenario with Cain and Abel? Wonderful discourse.
The two sons and the prodigal son are two different ones, are they not? The two brothers is about them both being asked to work and one says no, but he ends up working... the one to say yes, doesn't end up coming. That's a bit different from the prodigal son. I'm a little confused.
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Read them, study them, meditate them..then put some prayers and you will see.
There are over 5700 Greek manuscripts of the NT, and more than 24000 when we include the Syriac, Latin, etc.
How many for from… let’s day the year 50 to 100?
@@Shaun36183you probably think that's a gotcha moment, right 😂? You realize that the material didn't last that long, do you? The sources we do have are still way closer to the actual person than any other historical source of the time.
@@MrSeedi76 it’s God, I’m sure he can make it last if our salvation relied on it, like he made the donkey talk etc
@Shaun36183 P52 is a fragment of part of John 18 and dates to 117 to about 125. This is very early compared to available manuscripts for other ancient works.
@@Aspect762 I like how you put 117 to 125. It dates to 125 to 175.
In Light of the Glorious Gospel of Peace,the Bow is a river 🙌 Yea,even the ELbow
ABBA FATHER GOD created the simplest of fabrics (H²O,waters) to sustain ALL forms of life here on earth 🌎🌏🌍
🌱LIFE IS BUT A VAPOUR 🌹
❤️🔥
I trust G-d/God not the Bible. The Bible isn't a divinity. This is why I ignore most Protestant apologetics. Fortunately, I have Jesus Christ in my heart, and I am in His heart.
Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard
But everything you know about God and Christ comes from Holy Scripture (the Bible). God himself and Christ endorsed the Bible. St. Paul called it inspired of God.
@@Aspect762 The story of Moby Dick helps me know Herman Melville, but it isn't the same as knowing Herman Melville personally.
@williambranch4283 God and Christ never endorsed Moby Dick, nor is it inspired. Bad analogy. The Bible is the primary source of what we know about God and Christ. It's called Special Revelation.
@NightShade671 Analogy to Jonah.
In the bible "The FATHER GOD Said "God made His Word JESUS was ALSO God" NOT THEE THE FATHER GOD. FOR Means Jesus can pray to His Father GOD.
Wrong. That's not in the Bible. It's actually "in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God". Nowhere does it say it's made. It's in fact what God uses to make everything else - His word. And without it, nothing is made.
What a word salad! They assume that the Bible is absolutely true a priori and start to concoct incredible answers. How fictitious they are!
Same as atheists assuming everything in the Bible is false and then working backwards. I never saw an atheist steel maning the Bible.
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It's absolutely shocking that you can radically go against so many extremely clear scriptures that directly state in Jesus's own words that his Father is greater than he, that he is returning to his Father who sent him, that only the Father knows the time of the end, not even the son, that even his followers would do greater things that he, also to question, why his Father had forsaken him, then that His Father had ressurected him, additionally that after Jesus's thousand year rein he would give back the keys if the kingdom to his Father who had commissioned him and there are more,,,,, also in John where he says Jesus is God's only begotten SON, clearly defines Jesus as born from his father,, and then when John said Jesus was the word and a God as a lesser subsequent being in relation to his Father,, all of this and more clearly makes Jesus a unique but nevertheless lesser being than the Father, ,, he is the high priest at the Father's right hand..... to negate all of this and say Jesus IS GOD, is outrageously incoherent if a person actually believes the Bible is essentially true.... I Challenge you to reconsider your out of context stance, with regard to the biblical references above.
Jesus is God. You must not believe in the triune-3 persons making up God. Matthew chapter 28 verse 18: "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." Also, Jesus rose from the dead. We have proof of that. The Shroud of Turin. They have done a new test on a thread and it dates back to the time of his death. You might want to study it.
No one has ever risen from the dead which is proof he is God.
No one knows
Jesus was not a genius because he said a couple of wise things.Do you not see he was being presented as a "philosopher king" so that he would be more accepted by the Greek gentiles?? Even the naked boy in Mark was clearly put there to appease an audience who practice Pedarasty and increase the likeablity of Jesus to the higher class in Greece. The true geniuses are Socrates, Plato and Aristotle.
Sure, keep telling yourself that. Or better yet - write a PhD thesis about it and have it peer reviewed - that's gonna show them.
Can you trust the gospels simple answer no they are not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John so they started off by trying to deceive all trust is lost.
Most Christians were killed for their faith. Their faith was in what the Gospels claimed. Therefore, if the Gospels are a lie, why would you die for it?
Secondly, if the Gospels are pure fictional, why have they survived until today, and why so many Christians today are being killed for believing in those 4 Gospels?
_Most Christians were killed for their faith_
A mere claim, not proven. Just saying some people were martyred does not mean they were, let alone they were real people and not just some literary figures created to impress the gullible
@@rubengavriliuc1669 Not a very good answer "Most christians were killed for their faith" A petty broad claim. Have you any idea how many christians were killed during WWI & WWII and this was nothing to do with their faith. Dying for the gospels does not prove them right or wrong it just means the people prepared to die believed them. Try reading about Heaven's Gate or Jonestown these are just two of many are you going to say their beliefs were true.
Who claimed the Gospels were pure fiction? I said I would not trust them and a reason why.
@@rubengavriliuc1669 Not a very good answer "Most christians were killed for their faith" A petty broad claim. Have you any idea how many christians were killed during WWI & WWII and this was nothing to do with their faith. Dying for the gospels does not prove them right or wrong it just means the people prepared to die believed them. Try reading about Heaven's Gate or Jonestown these are just two of many are you going to say their beliefs were true.
Who claimed the Gospels were pure fiction? I said I would not trust them and a reason why.
@@rubengavriliuc1669 truthgiver8286 they blocked me obviously they don't tollerate opposing views
It's a very good answer "Most christians were killed for their faith" A petty broad claim. Have you any idea how many christians were killed during WWI & WWII and this was nothing to do with their faith. Dying for the gospels does not prove them right or wrong it just means the people prepared to die believed them. Try reading about Heaven's Gate or Jonestown these are just two of many are you going to say their beliefs were true.
Who claimed the Gospels were pure fiction? I said I would not trust them and a reason why.
Can we trust the gospels? .......... *NO*
Wrong. Try again.
Just ignore MrSeedi. He's a religious liar telling lies for his imaginary deity
Why not?
The claims of the gospels, besides contradicting each other, do not comport with the reality we experience and understand
@zhengfuukusheng9238 Thank you, but which claims?