Why or why can't Apple make new machines like this any more. It just sucks. Hopefully the new Modular Pro mac ( if it ever appears ) will be something like this but I'd bet money that the SSD will be soldiered to a motherboard with a T2 chip on so it'll be defunct ( or hugely expensive to repair ) after three years of use once the Applecare runs out. I can imagine it's going to cost the earth too. Here's hoping though.
@@OgTitouan It IS outrageous and for the same money, you get a TON MORE out of a PC now- back when THOSE Macs were made, for the money they were hands down the best on the market. I hate they did this, too.
UPDATE: Handoff started working perfectly. The previous solder job was very poor and weak so I resoldered the bluetooth data wires on the adapter board and now the bluetooth is working and not showing "not available" But I was still getting mouse lag and my AirPods would cut in and out, after removing the USB 3 card the issue has gone away. USB 3 devices can interfere with bluetooth and as the antenna for the bluetooth in located in the PCI slots it was causing this lagging issue. So now I have to find a better USB 3 card to install into the Mac Pro, but at least my bluetooth is working again.
Hugh, Just wondering if you can remember which number wires went to which pin on the new wi-fi card, as I cant run the mini cd to find out. I realise J3 is the bluetooth antenna, but what number wire (1/2/3), does J0/J1/J2 connect to. Hard to read as your camera isn't focused enough.
for the Graphics Card you should know that Apple and Nvidia doesn't go well together and with this the Nvidia drivers are not being provided by apple anymore, since they had many problems in the past, only AMD cards have updated and more stable drivers on Mac
if you haven't figure out the antenna you can make an external, i have done that and my headphones stay connected and play perfectly when i more than 50ft away I used : RF U.FL(IPEX/IPX) Mini PCI to RP-SMA Female Pigtail Antenna Wi-Fi Low Loss Coaxial Cable 1.13mm drilled a hole in one of the metal plates that cover the PCI slots on the back of the tower, secured the above mentioned wire to the plate and screwed a wifi antenna on the male end.,
Hello, I have 3 Mac Pro 5,1's and there are a few recommendations I'd like to make for you. First when running the Bluetooth cable you really should remove the CPU tray and run it underneath. This will improve Bluetooth signal. Next you can't upgrade to Mojave yet (Nvidia GPU) but you should download the installer and let it run a firmware update. Doing so will allow you to install NVMe drives into your PCI-E slot making the Mac pro even faster than before. I recommend the 970 Evo/Pro or the HP ex920 NVMe SSD. Other than those two, good job and good luck with the Mac Pro 5,1.
@@derami0 They were bought with various issues. One had a bad ATI 5770 so it bootlooped. The other one needed a power supply and the 3rd one was a 2009 which the campus considered obsolete.
C Rizzy it handles borderlands 2 on max settings at 60fps no problem! Thanks to the SSD and 64 GB of ram that I have, it handles my virtual machines with no problems at all!
The 5,1 was definitely one of the best Mac Pros and its modularity, along with a hailstorm of complaints by pro users, is the reason that Apple is making the 7,1 Mac Pro upgradeable. I have the same 3.46GHz 12-core machine but mine is sporting an NVIDIA Quadro P4000 workstation class graphics card, two 500GB SSD's, one 1TB SSD, and one 2TB SSD. It's also about to receive 96GB of RAM running in triple channel mode. Taking up two of my PCIe slots are Sonnet Allegro Pro USB 3.0 cards and the graphics card is driving a 49" 5120x1440 display, two 1920x1080 touchscreen displays, and one 43" 3840x2160 display. The final PCIe slot is reserved for a MAGMA ExpressBox 7 PCIe expansion chassis holding 6 UAD-2 plugin accelerator cards. It's a beast and should run my sessions for many years to come!
Got the exact same setup. Except the video card is 980Ti and RAM is 128GB. Also got the Bluetooth and Wifi card installed and setup properly. It's an insane beast and can only be matched by the iMac Pro.
@@SebastiaanSwinkels This is strictly not true, for example, all retina MacBook's with dual graphics up until the 2015 model have Nvidia GPU's and all are supported by Majove.
Vega 64 and 56 max power draw is a bit too high and could cause power issues with the stock Mac Pro power setup. With the Mac Pro 4,1 and 5,1 you can only get 225 watts for the video card (PCIe slot gives 75watts, two PCIe cables are 75 each, for total of 225 watts). Vega 64 max power draw exceeds 225 watts. I've seen some games hit upwards of 400 watts. Pretty sure that will cause something to overheat/over draw, and probably cause system to shut down or behave badly. You can google "Vega 64 max power draw" and see this in various bench marks. Hope this helps.
I have a 1080 in mine, no issues so far but I know that I am at peak for the max wattage draw from pcie slot and cables. I won't use SATA for the gpu power draw personally... even though you can draw power from SATA, it's not the best place to draw a ton of power from, and many times the gauge of wire people use to draw power from SATA isn't adequate for the power that will be needed. The SATA power draw could result in melted wires and/or fire (plenty of crypto miners have stories of rigs experiencing this). It is probably depending on which games or applications you run, my original point was focused on some modern top games that will push the Vega 64 to very high watts at peak. So at this point I would say YMMV and tread carefully.
He probably removed the link to the Wifi/bluetooth kit because he is having a lot of problems with it and does not recommend using that one. As of today (July 6, 2020), the one that I have seen on most other Mac Pro 4,1/5,1 upgrade videos is this one: "OSXWiFi Mac Pro 2009 (4,1) and Mac Pro 2010-2012 (5,1) - Handoff and Continuity Broadcom BCM94360CD 802.11 A/B/G/N/AC with Bluetooth 4.0 macOS Yosemite Mojave Catalina - 10.10+ Upgrade Kit"
I got a free Power PC G5 about a month ago and I'm about done with converting it to an x86 machine. Installed an ASRock Z77 mobo, i7 2600K, 16GB of Corsair RAM, and a GTX1060 3GB.
I have a similar box, only with the single cpu version but same processor and the TI version of the GPU. Gotta get that USB 3.0 going though. Next step would be to put NVME flash storage in ;)
Nice setup! You can speed it up a bit if you remove the last RAM-module on each side. The system is designed as tripple channel memory for best performance. At least recognizable in benchmarks... :)
This is very interesting! Could you tell me more about this. What kind of performance boost can we expect? Do you have a link with info on how to do it. Not sure what you mean by last ram module on each side.
I recently got a pair of dual processor cMP's 2 months ago, together with a pair of 27"led cinema displays and one 23" cinema display like you have here. I upgraded the processors and maxed out memory and put a RX580 and a RX560 in them as well. Running big sur and Mojave no problems
Hugh, Great video. I just put an RX590 into my 5,1 and upgraded it to Mojave. You might have the video problem resolved with the RX590? The drivers are all in Mojave unlike the Nvidia cards. I don't have the fancy boot screen but I am OK I suppose without it. Cheers, Jeffrey
@Hugh Jeffreys My name is Eric from Montreal (Quebec, Canada). We recently upgraded a Mac Pro 5.1 2012, (from 4 cores to a 3,46 12 cores), with 48 megs of server ram, plus a 500 GB SSD and a RX 580 8Gb. It works fine on Sierra. What does not work are the 3 Western Digital Black 4TB HDD. I bought them to do a Raid 0. When I restart, they disappear (in raid 0 config or individually). They also don’t show up in Disk Utility. Every time, I have to shut down, take them out and then put them back. If I restart, they disappear again. Even System Profiler don’t see them. I tried with a Seagate drive and it works. I tried the Blacks one by one in different slots, and it does the same thing. Sometimes they are there and sometimes they disappear. I saw that it happened to many Mac Pro 4.1 and 5.1 users. Do you have any idea why it does that? Have you ever heard of it? (Btw, I called at WD, and they have no idea what to do…). I need performance drives. Do you recommend a particular brand? Thanks in advance, Eric:)
@Generation Soccer - It's a firmware problem with not just the WD Black series, but others as well, all the way down to 2 TB. It's not just a Mac-only issue either, as this has been a problem on some PC's as well. My advice would be to go with a Seagate Barracuda Pro, as they seem to work with pretty much everything. They're available in sizes up to 14TB.😉
This is a very useful video, in the last year I bought a Mac Pro 4,1 which can be upgraded to 5,1 with the required parts and bootrom upgrade, with this video I kinda got informed about what other parts I can add to this powerful tower xP
Enjoy my 5,1 daily. 2 x Quad-Core Xeon 2.4Ghz 32GB Ram SSD Drives ATI Radeon HD 5770 With 3 1080 Monitors Connected (using active thunderbolt to DVI adapters) Beast!
Jose Francisco Medeiros Thank you for this input. I was able to find a 5.1 8 core. I hope to upgrade it soon to those 3.06 or 3.33Ghz, 6 core twin CPUS. Depending on what other upgrades I have before hand will determine which set I pick up. (:
re: bluetooth. it could be heat or as mentioned by highvoltage12v, it could be the antenna cable. try a usb bluetooth dongle so you actually use the usb 2.0 ports for something :D
There is.... Believe it or not.... Though a workaround, it has to be a particular Gigabyte board, you have to boot into windows natively (bootcamp) to handshake and see the hardware, then soft boot into OSX... Theres a video we a guy using a tb UAD Apollo !!! Now to wait for some code genius to make a patch not having to boot into Windows....
Saying from my experience: iMac 2011 Broadcom card works fine with Bluetooth and Wifi in this computer. Others, for some reason, works randomly, or freezes as yours. There's some issues with Atheros cards too, Broadcom is preferred (which was one you found in Mac 2011).
GREAT video -- I also have a MP 5,1 with 12 cores at 3.46 GHz. AMD Radion RX-580 card for metal-support and OS 10.14 compatibility. I need to do the wifi/bluetooth upgrade however, as the unit's factory bluetooth reception is very poor.
Nice informative video with some good upgrades. I would mount your SSD in an OWC Accelsoir to use the PCi-e lanes as opposed to SATA 2 ports ( I think MacPro 5.1 has just SATA2 for the upper disk bays) Although an NVMe would really make em fly.
Total cost with all upgrades if you don't mind my asking? I strongly considered this option, tired of waiting to see what Apple does regarding the "new modular mac pro" rumors. But also didn't wanna throw money at a 5,1 knowing the hoops I'd have to jump through to get up and purring, not to mention the caveats of not being able to update OS due to various issue, nVidia Gfx support for example, and then eventually when Apple drops support entirely? Then what? Makes me nervous, lol. For now I went with a 2018 Mac Mini and DIY'd the Ram upgrade to 32GB and will add an eGPU next. I'm actually quite impressed with it. Geekbench'd at 5829/25515, and I'm pleased with the performance I'm getting in my Audio Production applications. Plenty I/O, super fast internal storage(1TB), ability to add external NVMe SSD over TB3, same speeds as internal. IMO, the 2018 Mini is the sweet spot cost to performance wise in the current Apple line up. Picked mine up for $1785 (i7 3.2ghz 6 core/8GB/1TB). That's why my first question was your total cost. I still believe the 5,1 is an extremely capable machine, and deals are definitely out there, I just worried about the setup, upkeep, upgrades, long term viability, etc. Glad to see its working for you though! Thanks for the video!
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What cpu are you using? Which GTX. Do you not use SSDKs? Very intriguing vid as my 2009 I thought was Max’s out and using a RTX 580. The Bluetooth tip in the notes is very good too as I always have BT dropout for my wireless keyboard. Thanks for this.
Is there anyway to either overcoolck the processors, or make an adapter so it can use later generation xeons with more cores or more speed. Apparently 12 cores at 3.42 or about 30,000 geekbenck continuously under load is it's limit.
I disconnected the internal BT card and added a USB BT 4.0 adapter connected to an internal USB 3.0 card via USB 3.0 cable. BT accessories now pair up without hiccups.
Strong video dude.... I have very recently obtained 2010 unit, have bluetooth and wifi however can't seem to Airdrop... Is yours 2012 ? I believe 2012 is the production year airdrop was applied.
So since the link was removed, where can I get the USB 3 and Wi-Fi/Bluetooth pack now? Got a similar spec Mac Pro and I wanna get my AirPods working with it
Nice video. I've done a similar upgrade for my main audio recording studio Mac Pro. Except I got an 8GB AMD Sapphire RX580 Pulse video card mostly because it is totally compatible and needs no flash or special drivers and just works for everything including boot and sleep out of the box. Then I got a Rocket 4 port USB 3 card, this card and the Sonnet Pro have 4 USB drivers chips and appear as 4 USB cards and not as one channel with a hub and 4 ports like yours. I don't do wireless in the studio due to past problems with the noise so I pulled the stock wireless card, wired is faster anyway. Your stock drive connectors don't offer SATA3, that's why for a SSD I went with a OWC OWC Accelsior E2 which includes ports for two eSATA drives.
I remember dreaming of having one of these beasts back when I was in school and had absolutely no reason or need to have one. Now, quite a few years later and quite a few new Apple ‘pro’ products released, this Mac is steal mesmerizing and super cool. So far ahead of its time. PS: it’s sad we can’t take this model to latest chips, gpus, etc. pps: if Apple ever releases a Mac Pro as good as these ones - I’ll definitely get me one… probably there’s higher chance of me dancing on the moon’s surface.
So sense we were able to establish that the USB card and the wifi/bt card weren't working well together, should I still buy the wifi card and maybe look around for a POWERED usb card? I would much rather have ac wifi over usb 3
Oh I miss my old stationary Mac. Lucky the thief who got my almost top spec:ed and started my journey into laptop and iMacs instead. Looking forward to the upcoming and hopefully really modular Mac Pro. Did you upgrade the fan on this one getting it a bit lower in noise level?
Maybe MacOS is trying to use the original Bluetooth card because it is still plugged in to the Mac and has no antenna so it is causing issues? Or the two cards could be conflicting each other
I bought a 4,1 then flashed the firmware to make it think it’s a 5,1. Added the 3.46 GHZ hex core Xeon, got 32 GB of ECC RAM for only 100 bucks, added a GTX 970, added many hard drives/SSD’s. Got rid of the optical drive, added two SSD’s in the optical bays running raid 0 for Mac OS, have a single 512 SSD for boot camp, it’s still a beast, I love it. I also have Mac fan control and since there are different compartments you can control the fans accordingly, graphics card getting warm, increase the PCIE fan, cpu and ram hot, increase those fans, and the heat sink for the CPU even has a “booster” fan as it’s called in Mac fan control, that moves extra air on the heat sink itself Edit: The CPU I put in it was a W3690 I believe
I installed a usb 3.0 card in my Mac Pro 4,1 and my Bluetooth started to act up. It turns out that the usb 3.0 card was using too much power, taking away from the Bluetooth card. Hope this helps!
@@HughJeffreys I had the same bluetooth interference problem with my MacPro 3,1 and a Sonnet USB 3.0 card - squiffy Magic Mouse operation. I went to my local supermarket and bought a cheap wireless mouse
I was wondering if you tried to swap the two middle antenna plugs on the Wifi/bluetooth card? I had the same problem found some people with the same issues. I swapped my antenna plugs and everything worked perfectly.
Hey. Amazing build. I kind of have the same chilhood dream and its nice to see that a setup such as the one im thinking of would still work in 2019(or 2018). Have fun with it! PS: If Apple finally makes things right this year ill get into the ecosystem with a build of my own!
Good video, I have a similar late 2010 5,1 and an early 2009 4,1 which I was able to upgrade to 5,1 firmware. I am new to Mac (although I used to upgrade 128k macs to Fat Macs long long ago) and I had always thought that they became outdated quickly and made obsolete to future OS updates but these seem to have bucked the trend. I got my two systems free when they were replaced at work. One is a 12 core 2.66 16gb, the other an 8 core 2.93 16gb. I am using the 12 core 2010 as a Roon Music Server with a 500gb SSD, AMD RX580 and two 4tb media drives and I just love it but I was wondering how to upgrade it for speed and whether more memory would help it. Also interested in knowing the best programs and utilities people are using.
The last well made Apple system imo. modluar, high end, great build quality.
Why or why can't Apple make new machines like this any more. It just sucks. Hopefully the new Modular Pro mac ( if it ever appears ) will be something like this but I'd bet money that the SSD will be soldiered to a motherboard with a T2 chip on so it'll be defunct ( or hugely expensive to repair ) after three years of use once the Applecare runs out. I can imagine it's going to cost the earth too. Here's hoping though.
@@billB101 Also waiting for the new Mac pro but I'm pretty sure it'll start at like 5000USD for outdated specs, like apple like to do those days : /
@@billB101 Because they want you to buy a new system instead of replacing damaged/outdated parts.
Rip modular macs. Hopefully apple will follow through with their Mac Pro reboot promises
@@OgTitouan It IS outrageous and for the same money, you get a TON MORE out of a PC now- back when THOSE Macs were made, for the money they were hands down the best on the market. I hate they did this, too.
UPDATE:
Handoff started working perfectly.
The previous solder job was very poor and weak so I resoldered the bluetooth data wires on the adapter board and now the bluetooth is working and not showing "not available"
But I was still getting mouse lag and my AirPods would cut in and out, after removing the USB 3 card the issue has gone away.
USB 3 devices can interfere with bluetooth and as the antenna for the bluetooth in located in the PCI slots it was causing this lagging issue.
So now I have to find a better USB 3 card to install into the Mac Pro, but at least my bluetooth is working again.
Hugh, Just wondering if you can remember which number wires went to which pin on the new wi-fi card, as I cant run the mini cd to find out. I realise J3 is the bluetooth antenna, but what number wire (1/2/3), does J0/J1/J2 connect to. Hard to read as your camera isn't focused enough.
Don't worry Hugh, I sorted it out. Sequential 1=J0, 2-J1, 3-J2
for the Graphics Card you should know that Apple and Nvidia doesn't go well together and with this the Nvidia drivers are not being provided by apple anymore, since they had many problems in the past, only AMD cards have updated and more stable drivers on Mac
NVIDIA can't update Drivers anymore on Mojave
if you haven't figure out the antenna you can make an external, i have done that and my headphones stay connected and play perfectly when i more than 50ft away
I used : RF U.FL(IPEX/IPX) Mini PCI to RP-SMA Female Pigtail Antenna Wi-Fi Low Loss Coaxial Cable 1.13mm
drilled a hole in one of the metal plates that cover the PCI slots on the back of the tower, secured the above mentioned wire to the plate and screwed a wifi antenna on the male end.,
Hello, I have 3 Mac Pro 5,1's and there are a few recommendations I'd like to make for you. First when running the Bluetooth cable you really should remove the CPU tray and run it underneath. This will improve Bluetooth signal. Next you can't upgrade to Mojave yet (Nvidia GPU) but you should download the installer and let it run a firmware update. Doing so will allow you to install NVMe drives into your PCI-E slot making the Mac pro even faster than before. I recommend the 970 Evo/Pro or the HP ex920 NVMe SSD. Other than those two, good job and good luck with the Mac Pro 5,1.
highvoltage12v why do you have 3
@@derami0 They were bought with various issues. One had a bad ATI 5770 so it bootlooped. The other one needed a power supply and the 3rd one was a 2009 which the campus considered obsolete.
The Web Drivers for the 980 for Mojave should be out soon
@@cooperyeeto8847 Where did you see that?
AlphaFox78 There was a web page released on the Nvidia website that got taken down quickly also there are rumours on tonymacx86
I love my 2010 mac pro. I just added a 1TB SSD and a MSI Radeon RX 580 to it.
C Rizzy it handles borderlands 2 on max settings at 60fps no problem! Thanks to the SSD and 64 GB of ram that I have, it handles my virtual machines with no problems at all!
InvisibleWreck5 boot screen?
@@RetroPlayer93 what kind of ram did you get? PC8500 DDR3 ECC 1066MHz 240 Pin?
@@garryfreemyer7187 rx580 on macpro doesn't have boot screen....
Ah yes. A great way to end the year, watching a really good Hugh Jeffrey’s video.
The 5,1 was definitely one of the best Mac Pros and its modularity, along with a hailstorm of complaints by pro users, is the reason that Apple is making the 7,1 Mac Pro upgradeable. I have the same 3.46GHz 12-core machine but mine is sporting an NVIDIA Quadro P4000 workstation class graphics card, two 500GB SSD's, one 1TB SSD, and one 2TB SSD. It's also about to receive 96GB of RAM running in triple channel mode. Taking up two of my PCIe slots are Sonnet Allegro Pro USB 3.0 cards and the graphics card is driving a 49" 5120x1440 display, two 1920x1080 touchscreen displays, and one 43" 3840x2160 display. The final PCIe slot is reserved for a MAGMA ExpressBox 7 PCIe expansion chassis holding 6 UAD-2 plugin accelerator cards. It's a beast and should run my sessions for many years to come!
Should be fast enough to computate the speed of 2 tree frogs humping.
Ah nice dude I did the same only difference is that mine is using the NVIDIA Titan X Maxwell Edition.
Got the exact same setup. Except the video card is 980Ti and RAM is 128GB. Also got the Bluetooth and Wifi card installed and setup properly. It's an insane beast and can only be matched by the iMac Pro.
The Steve Jobs era Mac 🙌🏾💪🏾. I’m sooo loving my . I would still love thunderbolt but I found other was for my music production set up
Upgrade the GPU to a VEGA 64 sau 56 and you have native support in macOS !
Apple used to have NVIDIA graphics cards in Macs so the 980 is natively supported.
@@enby-girl5020 Up until High Sierra yes. There are no NVidia drivers for any NVidia GPU for Mojave.
@@SebastiaanSwinkels This is strictly not true, for example, all retina MacBook's with dual graphics up until the 2015 model have Nvidia GPU's and all are supported by Majove.
Vega 64 and 56 max power draw is a bit too high and could cause power issues with the stock Mac Pro power setup. With the Mac Pro 4,1 and 5,1 you can only get 225 watts for the video card (PCIe slot gives 75watts, two PCIe cables are 75 each, for total of 225 watts). Vega 64 max power draw exceeds 225 watts. I've seen some games hit upwards of 400 watts. Pretty sure that will cause something to overheat/over draw, and probably cause system to shut down or behave badly. You can google "Vega 64 max power draw" and see this in various bench marks. Hope this helps.
I have a 1080 in mine, no issues so far but I know that I am at peak for the max wattage draw from pcie slot and cables. I won't use SATA for the gpu power draw personally... even though you can draw power from SATA, it's not the best place to draw a ton of power from, and many times the gauge of wire people use to draw power from SATA isn't adequate for the power that will be needed. The SATA power draw could result in melted wires and/or fire (plenty of crypto miners have stories of rigs experiencing this). It is probably depending on which games or applications you run, my original point was focused on some modern top games that will push the Vega 64 to very high watts at peak. So at this point I would say YMMV and tread carefully.
Links to where you bought the cards would have been nice.
look for mac flashed cards on ebay
He probably removed the link to the Wifi/bluetooth kit because he is having a lot of problems with it and does not recommend using that one. As of today (July 6, 2020), the one that I have seen on most other Mac Pro 4,1/5,1 upgrade videos is this one: "OSXWiFi Mac Pro 2009 (4,1) and Mac Pro 2010-2012 (5,1) - Handoff and Continuity Broadcom BCM94360CD 802.11 A/B/G/N/AC with Bluetooth 4.0 macOS Yosemite Mojave Catalina - 10.10+ Upgrade Kit"
I got a free Power PC G5 about a month ago and I'm about done with converting it to an x86 machine. Installed an ASRock Z77 mobo, i7 2600K, 16GB of Corsair RAM, and a GTX1060 3GB.
I have a similar box, only with the single cpu version but same processor and the TI version of the GPU. Gotta get that USB 3.0 going though.
Next step would be to put NVME flash storage in ;)
Nice vid Hugh, keep it up!
Unbelievable engineering modular designs
This is so cool, this is my dream computer!
Nice setup! You can speed it up a bit if you remove the last RAM-module on each side. The system is designed as tripple channel memory for best performance. At least recognizable in benchmarks... :)
This is very interesting! Could you tell me more about this. What kind of performance boost can we expect? Do you have a link with info on how to do it. Not sure what you mean by last ram module on each side.
I had the same issues with bluetooth one mine. I gave up and bought a cheap usb bluetooth adapter and has been working great since
@David did you find out?
I recently got a pair of dual processor cMP's 2 months ago, together with a pair of 27"led cinema displays and one 23" cinema display like you have here. I upgraded the processors and maxed out memory and put a RX580 and a RX560 in them as well. Running big sur and Mojave no problems
apple could have released a slightly updated version while retaining the modularity
Great man!! Make me wish to perform the same upgrade!!
I'll keep you posted.
Hugh, Great video. I just put an RX590 into my 5,1 and upgraded it to Mojave. You might have the video problem resolved with the RX590? The drivers are all in Mojave unlike the Nvidia cards. I don't have the fancy boot screen but I am OK I suppose without it. Cheers, Jeffrey
Man that Mac Pro is spotless. Bravo
Well made video Hugh!!!
Great work on your content I always enjoy watching it buddy
I have one of these sitting at my office. I was thinking of putting a 512GB SSD into it and using it to edit my FCPx videos instead of my Macbook Pro
I Bet it gets really hot in that room rockin those old Cinema Displays.
@Hugh Jeffreys My name is Eric from Montreal (Quebec, Canada). We recently upgraded a Mac Pro 5.1 2012, (from 4 cores to a 3,46 12 cores), with 48 megs of server ram, plus a 500 GB SSD and a RX 580 8Gb. It works fine on Sierra. What does not work are the 3 Western Digital Black 4TB HDD. I bought them to do a Raid 0. When I restart, they disappear (in raid 0 config or individually). They also don’t show up in Disk Utility. Every time, I have to shut down, take them out and then put them back. If I restart, they disappear again. Even System Profiler don’t see them. I tried with a Seagate drive and it works. I tried the Blacks one by one in different slots, and it does the same thing. Sometimes they are there and sometimes they disappear. I saw that it happened to many Mac Pro 4.1 and 5.1 users. Do you have any idea why it does that? Have you ever heard of it? (Btw, I called at WD, and they have no idea what to do…). I need performance drives. Do you recommend a particular brand? Thanks in advance, Eric:)
@Generation Soccer - It's a firmware problem with not just the WD Black series, but others as well, all the way down to 2 TB. It's not just a Mac-only issue either, as this has been a problem on some PC's as well. My advice would be to go with a Seagate Barracuda Pro, as they seem to work with pretty much everything. They're available in sizes up to 14TB.😉
This is a very useful video, in the last year I bought a Mac Pro 4,1 which can be upgraded to 5,1 with the required parts and bootrom upgrade, with this video I kinda got informed about what other parts I can add to this powerful tower xP
you should have put the blueray drive on the top
It's data not data.
Hehe you read it two different ways
omg
Why tho
For english tongues it is read as "daa~ta" for americans it'd be read as "day~ta"
🤨🤔🤦♂️😂🤣
Magik
I love working on computers and I like what you did to your
Thats better than the "modern" mac pros.
Edit he mentioned it later in the video.
Enjoy my 5,1 daily.
2 x Quad-Core Xeon 2.4Ghz
32GB Ram
SSD Drives
ATI Radeon HD 5770 With 3 1080 Monitors Connected (using active thunderbolt to DVI adapters)
Beast!
What are doing with all that power?
That case is such a sight for sore eyes. Awesome enclosure, very robust build.
I like your video about this computer. This is because, I’ve also dreamt of a 12 Core Mac Pro forever.
I bought mine for around $1,300.00 on eBay in 2016!
Jason Haas 12 Cores for 1300 in 2016 was a good deal. Congratulations! I am guessing that computer and yourself have grown together?
Jose Francisco Medeiros Thank you for this input. I was able to find a 5.1 8 core. I hope to upgrade it soon to those 3.06 or 3.33Ghz, 6 core twin CPUS. Depending on what other upgrades I have before hand will determine which set I pick up. (:
I've installed a Samsung SSD 860 EVO on my MacPro5,1 2010. It works perfectly. I have used a Sabrent bay to install it.
re: bluetooth. it could be heat or as mentioned by highvoltage12v, it could be the antenna cable. try a usb bluetooth dongle so you actually use the usb 2.0 ports for something :D
That is one powerful Mac, nice one dude
Which WiFi/BT Kit did you get? Need to upgrade my MP5,1 but i'm unsure which Kit will work ??
i can't find link buy wifi and bluetooth card. please. thanks for video
I just wish there was a way to get Thunderbolt working on these machines - then I'd be sorely tempted to do the same.
There is.... Believe it or not.... Though a workaround, it has to be a particular Gigabyte board, you have to boot into windows natively (bootcamp) to handshake and see the hardware, then soft boot into OSX...
Theres a video we a guy using a tb UAD Apollo !!!
Now to wait for some code genius to make a patch not having to boot into Windows....
The drive sleds are different in drive position also on the 4,1 5,1 compaired to the 1,1,1,2,1,3
awesome video. I did this with my g4 towers, but this time around I think i will just build a monster hackintosh
Saying from my experience: iMac 2011 Broadcom card works fine with Bluetooth and Wifi in this computer. Others, for some reason, works randomly, or freezes as yours. There's some issues with Atheros cards too, Broadcom is preferred (which was one you found in Mac 2011).
Can you do a tour?
GREAT video -- I also have a MP 5,1 with 12 cores at 3.46 GHz. AMD Radion RX-580 card for metal-support and OS 10.14 compatibility. I need to do the wifi/bluetooth upgrade however, as the unit's factory bluetooth reception is very poor.
How did you get the Apple external camera to work ? I cannot get it to be recognized on my 2005 Mac Mini.
Love your channel. Is this a 2010 or 2012 Mac Pro?
Nice informative video with some good upgrades. I would mount your SSD in an OWC Accelsoir to use the PCi-e lanes as opposed to SATA 2 ports ( I think MacPro 5.1 has just SATA2 for the upper disk bays) Although an NVMe would really make em fly.
Where's Arianna?
I miss her too...
He said on Twitter that he doesn't support her anymore
Lance Gisbert Siapco what did he say, I can’t see to find it anywhere on his twitter
She was on his Apple Watch
@@JohannvanderZee and the poster
Nice Mac Pro! Are you going to upgrade the GPU anytime soon? AMD?
Wonder if Hugh uses this anymore?
i do have same CPUS but it was custom build :D. For the gpu i went with GTX 1080.
Total cost with all upgrades if you don't mind my asking?
I strongly considered this option, tired of waiting to see what Apple does regarding the "new modular mac pro" rumors. But also didn't wanna throw money at a 5,1 knowing the hoops I'd have to jump through to get up and purring, not to mention the caveats of not being able to update OS due to various issue, nVidia Gfx support for example, and then eventually when Apple drops support entirely? Then what? Makes me nervous, lol.
For now I went with a 2018 Mac Mini and DIY'd the Ram upgrade to 32GB and will add an eGPU next. I'm actually quite impressed with it. Geekbench'd at 5829/25515, and I'm pleased with the performance I'm getting in my Audio Production applications. Plenty I/O, super fast internal storage(1TB), ability to add external NVMe SSD over TB3, same speeds as internal. IMO, the 2018 Mini is the sweet spot cost to performance wise in the current Apple line up.
Picked mine up for $1785 (i7 3.2ghz 6 core/8GB/1TB). That's why my first question was your total cost. I still believe the 5,1 is an extremely capable machine, and deals are definitely out there, I just worried about the setup, upkeep, upgrades, long term viability, etc. Glad to see its working for you though! Thanks for the video!
How about a Mac Pro data server build?
I want this MacPro too...It is simply Marvelous.
Weird flex but ok
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What cpu are you using? Which GTX. Do you not use SSDKs? Very intriguing vid as my 2009 I thought was Max’s out and using a RTX 580.
The Bluetooth tip in the notes is very good too as I always have BT dropout for my wireless keyboard. Thanks for this.
HEY dear , how are you ? my only a question is from where did you brought 3 apple cinema display monitors ? all the very best ...
Is there anyway to either overcoolck the processors, or make an adapter so it can use later generation xeons with more cores or more speed.
Apparently 12 cores at 3.42 or about 30,000 geekbenck continuously under load is it's limit.
I don't see where you identify what year this mac pro was manufactured. Can you please mention the date of the Mac Pro? Thanks
I disconnected the internal BT card and added a USB BT 4.0 adapter connected to an internal USB 3.0 card via USB 3.0 cable. BT accessories now pair up without hiccups.
Why did you delete the link to the wifi card without recommendation for another?
Strong video dude.... I have very recently obtained 2010 unit, have bluetooth and wifi however can't seem to Airdrop... Is yours 2012 ? I believe 2012 is the production year airdrop was applied.
So since the link was removed, where can I get the USB 3 and Wi-Fi/Bluetooth pack now? Got a similar spec Mac Pro and I wanna get my AirPods working with it
THANKS!
Nice video. I've done a similar upgrade for my main audio recording studio Mac Pro. Except I got an 8GB AMD Sapphire RX580 Pulse video card mostly because it is totally compatible and needs no flash or special drivers and just works for everything including boot and sleep out of the box. Then I got a Rocket 4 port USB 3 card, this card and the Sonnet Pro have 4 USB drivers chips and appear as 4 USB cards and not as one channel with a hub and 4 ports like yours. I don't do wireless in the studio due to past problems with the noise so I pulled the stock wireless card, wired is faster anyway. Your stock drive connectors don't offer SATA3, that's why for a SSD I went with a OWC OWC Accelsior E2 which includes ports for two eSATA drives.
I’m very happy with my 4,1, it’s an absolute beast. ❤️
Great video. Does a Mac Pro still make sense in 2018? My 2010 iMac is soooo slow even with a SSD. I'm tempted to get a Mac Pro.
Wondering if you still use this system and how it holds up so far?
I remember dreaming of having one of these beasts back when I was in school and had absolutely no reason or need to have one. Now, quite a few years later and quite a few new Apple ‘pro’ products released, this Mac is steal mesmerizing and super cool. So far ahead of its time. PS: it’s sad we can’t take this model to latest chips, gpus, etc. pps: if Apple ever releases a Mac Pro as good as these ones - I’ll definitely get me one… probably there’s higher chance of me dancing on the moon’s surface.
HDVR+ hard drive icons!
So sense we were able to establish that the USB card and the wifi/bt card weren't working well together, should I still buy the wifi card and maybe look around for a POWERED usb card? I would much rather have ac wifi over usb 3
Any tips on reconnecting the antennae wires to the new board? No matter what I do, I cannot get them to stay connected to their sockets.
You should try to disconnect the og bluetooth card.
Hey do you have a new link to the WiFi card?
Nice 🔥 Jeff
I also just bought this setup, what displayport adapters did you use to hook up your cinema displays to that graphics card?
Driver CD's ???
I’d love to have one of these, but with all modern guts.
Good job!
Whats the link for the Wifi card? I'm looking to upgrade a 5,1 and thats one of the last steps. Thanks
Do you think this would stand for gaming too?
Oh I miss my old stationary Mac. Lucky the thief who got my almost top spec:ed and started my journey into laptop and iMacs instead. Looking forward to the upcoming and hopefully really modular Mac Pro.
Did you upgrade the fan on this one getting it a bit lower in noise level?
Could you install a Thunderbolt 3 then run an eGPU with the most powerful GPU supported by macOS installed in that Power Mac?
Good work
Maybe MacOS is trying to use the original Bluetooth card because it is still plugged in to the Mac and has no antenna so it is causing issues? Or the two cards could be conflicting each other
I bought a 4,1 then flashed the firmware to make it think it’s a 5,1. Added the 3.46 GHZ hex core Xeon, got 32 GB of ECC RAM for only 100 bucks, added a GTX 970, added many hard drives/SSD’s. Got rid of the optical drive, added two SSD’s in the optical bays running raid 0 for Mac OS, have a single 512 SSD for boot camp, it’s still a beast, I love it.
I also have Mac fan control and since there are different compartments you can control the fans accordingly, graphics card getting warm, increase the PCIE fan, cpu and ram hot, increase those fans, and the heat sink for the CPU even has a “booster” fan as it’s called in Mac fan control, that moves extra air on the heat sink itself
Edit: The CPU I put in it was a W3690 I believe
I have read that the Mac pro utilizes three channel RAM, and therefore using the fourth dimm slot on each CPU can be counterproductive.
I installed a usb 3.0 card in my Mac Pro 4,1 and my Bluetooth started to act up. It turns out that the usb 3.0 card was using too much power, taking away from the Bluetooth card.
Hope this helps!
It can cause interference. I removed mine to see if that fixed it. Unfortunately didnt :(
It’s quite hard to find a decent USB 3 card without the need for power and at a reasonable price, still on the hunt for one with my 4,1.
Similar issue with crappy Chinese usb3 card and Magic Trackpad connection acting up. Took it out for now.
@@HughJeffreys I had the same bluetooth interference problem with my MacPro 3,1 and a Sonnet USB 3.0 card - squiffy Magic Mouse operation. I went to my local supermarket and bought a cheap wireless mouse
@@jameo3606 Don't be worried about going for a card that needs power. It's very very easy to route power from the optical drives
I was wondering if you tried to swap the two middle antenna plugs on the Wifi/bluetooth card? I had the same problem found some people with the same issues. I swapped my antenna plugs and everything worked perfectly.
Hey. Amazing build. I kind of have the same chilhood dream and its nice to see that a setup such as the one im thinking of would still work in 2019(or 2018). Have fun with it!
PS: If Apple finally makes things right this year ill get into the ecosystem with a build of my own!
Just plan to get one.
Just like the design and build quality.
best mac pro case ever from apple by miles!
Any update on the bluetooth issues?
This thing is way better looking than anything offered by Apple right now.
I would love to do a custom build in that case.
Good video, I have a similar late 2010 5,1 and an early 2009 4,1 which I was able to upgrade to 5,1 firmware. I am new to Mac (although I used to upgrade 128k macs to Fat Macs long long ago) and I had always thought that they became outdated quickly and made obsolete to future OS updates but these seem to have bucked the trend. I got my two systems free when they were replaced at work. One is a 12 core 2.66 16gb, the other an 8 core 2.93 16gb. I am using the 12 core 2010 as a Roon Music Server with a 500gb SSD, AMD RX580 and two 4tb media drives and I just love it but I was wondering how to upgrade it for speed and whether more memory would help it. Also interested in knowing the best programs and utilities people are using.
Hey, I know you can use a USB Y cable to get more power to a device, so technically, you can use more than 1 USB drive on that card.
Can you upgrade it to Mojave? I'm thinking about getting a second-hand Mac Pro and upgrade it myself. This video looks very promising.
Beni Wu yes you can
There are BT usb dongles that work perfectly with MacOS, maybe an option?