I really like the Justice 2. I have the 6 MOA. Other than it being chunky, I prefer it to the 507comp. I agree on the window and like the glass better on the J2. Please give us an update. Thanks.
I've used almost exclusively SwamFox optics on my pistols for the past 2-3 yrs. 1000s of rounds of various semi auto rounds. I've never had an issue with any (Kingslayer, Justice, Liberty) I'm glad they're putting out an improved product, and starting to get really noticed. Seems like a good company. Vet Discount as well.
I'm waiting for SF's gen 2 models before buying another optic. I asked a few questions the other day and my replies came from SF in a matter of hours. That's a good sign.👍
I just purchased the Justice II and can’t wait to try it. One positive to mention is the Swampfox has the same warranty of 10 years on the LED as the Holosun! No brainer to buy Swampfox…after 10 years I’d probably want something new anyways 😊
I actually have a Liberty II. I was pleased with the performance and dot clarity right off the bat. Convinced a couple of my buddies to also get Swampfox Optics. A few months goes by of regular biweekly weekend shooting. 150-250rds per range day, no hammering the optics, dropping them, etc. My optic suddenly lost zero. I re-zero it and after only 5 shots it loses zero. I re-zero it about 5 times until I lost my patience and gave up on the dot holding zero. 15 minutes goes by, my buddy's SF Justice I's front glass pops out and the inner glass shatters. This was it's first day of range use and only about 30rds after initial zero. It is then my other friend's turn to shoot. He has the SF Kraken and within like 5 rounds his LED emitter pops out and is banging around inside the housing. All of us submitted our claims to Swampfox and mine was the only one that got denied. They claimed mine had no flaws but had "wear and tear" on the bottom. The supposed wear and tear was literally dried red threadlocker. That doesn't explain why it would hold zero over a few months use and then suddenly not. I retightened everything and tested the zero before sending it in. They continue to claim there is nothing wrong with the optic and that the wear and tear on the bottom is what is causing the issue. I have extensive experience with optics, including pistol optics and rifle optics. I know what wear and tear looks like, dried adhesive material on the mounting surface is not wear and tear. Their engineers are trash and simply deny that there is an issue. I had this same experience with Trijicon when they sold me a faulty RMR Type 2. I know they didn't inspect the optic because my windage and elevation were marked with invisible ink before shipping it in. (Both SF and Trijicon) What a surprise to find that neither optic was cleaned or adjusted during their "testing." Another friend of mine bought a Wolverine slide from SF. Within 500rds the extractor and striker both broke. Never buying from either company again, sold my RMR and all my friends sold their SF products. Check the used market and you'll see it is flooded with SF products. If you want a true budget optic that is going to hold up, go with Primary Arms or Sig. Been using them and haven't looked back. I love seeing smaller companies bringing affordable products to the market, but when you outright deny that anything is wrong when clearly there is an issue then there is a reality disconnect somewhere and it isn't the customer that is the problem. 3 catastrophic failures of optics on the same day is insane.
@Heteachethmyhandstowar No problem. Btw they outsource for their models on their pistol dots and some of their rifle optics. As in they buy a model, slightly change it to "improve" it and sell it as if it is original. Which might explain the shit quality.
Just from a design de Swanpfox will be more ecsposed for brass as the SRO. Both of they have a really thick frame - I don’t know if that will be a problem but the shield rmsx is much slimmer and are preferable I think.
@oddsparrow8522 True. I have found only a few models of handgun that like to eject bullets straight back occasionally. I don't have many of them. The large glass is great for speed dot acquisition on draw and target transitions. For precision and slow accuracy shooting, yes, it is not necessary.
The justice 2 looks good but I'd be a bit concerned about inadvertently pressing the brightness adjust button inside my holster and the deck height looks really high. Otherwise, it seems good.
I don't think that will happen already shot one competition with it. I will update later. Deck height is deceiving because it is almost identical to rmr and holosun.
The 507 comp is better overall. The 507 comp have better Durability, battery life, reticle features, and clearer glass. Your life is valuable and the competition time is valuable. I highly recommend the Holosun! 💯
Yeah, I can't find any torture tests to confirm the justice two is less durable than an SRO or 507 comp. The glass, reticle, and battery life are well within 10% as good as the 507 comp, and that is all up for debate by the users. They both advertise 50000 hours. The Glass and reticle look almost identical to my eyes.
@@Heteachethmyhandstowar true, but how's that different with holosun? Swampfox pretty much just go's into the Chinese factory and pick a optic they like and rebrand it 😂
I really like the Justice 2. I have the 6 MOA. Other than it being chunky, I prefer it to the 507comp. I agree on the window and like the glass better on the J2. Please give us an update. Thanks.
Let me get a few 100 round matches through it and I will update.
I've used almost exclusively SwamFox optics on my pistols for the past 2-3 yrs. 1000s of rounds of various semi auto rounds. I've never had an issue with any (Kingslayer, Justice, Liberty) I'm glad they're putting out an improved product, and starting to get really noticed. Seems like a good company. Vet Discount as well.
@J.Wick. I like them the Justice 2 may be my go-to 9mm pistol optic .
I'm waiting for SF's gen 2 models before buying another optic. I asked a few questions the other day and my replies came from SF in a matter of hours. That's a good sign.👍
Yes that is good.
Solid comparison video. If the Swampfox runs, it looks like a clear winner.
@@BehindTheGoldenCurtain Been running good so far.
I just purchased the Justice II and can’t wait to try it. One positive to mention is the Swampfox has the same warranty of 10 years on the LED as the Holosun! No brainer to buy Swampfox…after 10 years I’d probably want something new anyways 😊
Nice
I actually have a Liberty II. I was pleased with the performance and dot clarity right off the bat. Convinced a couple of my buddies to also get Swampfox Optics. A few months goes by of regular biweekly weekend shooting. 150-250rds per range day, no hammering the optics, dropping them, etc. My optic suddenly lost zero. I re-zero it and after only 5 shots it loses zero. I re-zero it about 5 times until I lost my patience and gave up on the dot holding zero. 15 minutes goes by, my buddy's SF Justice I's front glass pops out and the inner glass shatters. This was it's first day of range use and only about 30rds after initial zero. It is then my other friend's turn to shoot. He has the SF Kraken and within like 5 rounds his LED emitter pops out and is banging around inside the housing. All of us submitted our claims to Swampfox and mine was the only one that got denied. They claimed mine had no flaws but had "wear and tear" on the bottom. The supposed wear and tear was literally dried red threadlocker. That doesn't explain why it would hold zero over a few months use and then suddenly not. I retightened everything and tested the zero before sending it in. They continue to claim there is nothing wrong with the optic and that the wear and tear on the bottom is what is causing the issue. I have extensive experience with optics, including pistol optics and rifle optics. I know what wear and tear looks like, dried adhesive material on the mounting surface is not wear and tear. Their engineers are trash and simply deny that there is an issue. I had this same experience with Trijicon when they sold me a faulty RMR Type 2. I know they didn't inspect the optic because my windage and elevation were marked with invisible ink before shipping it in. (Both SF and Trijicon) What a surprise to find that neither optic was cleaned or adjusted during their "testing." Another friend of mine bought a Wolverine slide from SF. Within 500rds the extractor and striker both broke. Never buying from either company again, sold my RMR and all my friends sold their SF products. Check the used market and you'll see it is flooded with SF products. If you want a true budget optic that is going to hold up, go with Primary Arms or Sig. Been using them and haven't looked back. I love seeing smaller companies bringing affordable products to the market, but when you outright deny that anything is wrong when clearly there is an issue then there is a reality disconnect somewhere and it isn't the customer that is the problem. 3 catastrophic failures of optics on the same day is insane.
@Gary_Fergusons_Lover Agreed and thanks for sharing. Sorry your experience was so bad.
@Heteachethmyhandstowar No problem. Btw they outsource for their models on their pistol dots and some of their rifle optics. As in they buy a model, slightly change it to "improve" it and sell it as if it is original. Which might explain the shit quality.
"you are going to know what Im talking about once I start talking about it" its important to know I will know once you let me know
I have this optic. It’s awesome and I got it for 160 bucks.
Just from a design de Swanpfox will be more ecsposed for brass as the SRO. Both of they have a really thick frame - I don’t know if that will be a problem but the shield rmsx is much slimmer and are preferable I think.
@oddsparrow8522 True. I have found only a few models of handgun that like to eject bullets straight back occasionally. I don't have many of them. The large glass is great for speed dot acquisition on draw and target transitions. For precision and slow accuracy shooting, yes, it is not necessary.
The justice 2 looks good but I'd be a bit concerned about inadvertently pressing the brightness adjust button inside my holster and the deck height looks really high. Otherwise, it seems good.
I don't think that will happen already shot one competition with it. I will update later. Deck height is deceiving because it is almost identical to rmr and holosun.
Swamp Fox is great for the broke person absolutely phenomenal for somebody that can’t afford more than $250 for an optic❤
@@steveo6685 agreed
That logic doesn’t make sense but okay
Does the swampfox sit higher then the 507?
Visually from the side, it looks like it is. When you measure, they are almost identical.
@Heteachethmyhandstowar OK thank you
The 507 comp is better overall. The 507 comp have better Durability, battery life, reticle features, and clearer glass. Your life is valuable and the competition time is valuable. I highly recommend the Holosun! 💯
@@JoJoHartt I have not seen a durability test between the two or torture test. I think the glass reticles and battery life are all pretty close.
Yeah, I can't find any torture tests to confirm the justice two is less durable than an SRO or 507 comp. The glass, reticle, and battery life are well within 10% as good as the 507 comp, and that is all up for debate by the users. They both advertise 50000 hours. The Glass and reticle look almost identical to my eyes.
Holosun all day but the price of the swamp can’t be beaten
@@steveo6685 true
The Justice 2 is enjoyable.
Agreed
Swampfox is a American company that build it Optic in china，so what is the different 😂
@haha9413 Yeah like iphone.
@@Heteachethmyhandstowar true, but how's that different with holosun? Swampfox pretty much just go's into the Chinese factory and pick a optic they like and rebrand it 😂
Same as vortex lmao