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Now this gives "Rin Real" a whole nother meaning. These shorts really have been used to vent Rin's frustrations, and damn, the prince is entertaining when she's complaining. Everything sucks when you make it a "job."
@@Sequor.me as a rapper be like (I can't make myself right, it's garbage, it's only when I get inspiration, And usually at an incredibly inconvenient time, like being completely sleep deprived in the morning after staying up all night. I write my best bars without even trying, and I legit hate that because I can't try to make good ones, they just have to come. I'm not talented, I'm possessed, I hate it.)
@@MrGamelover23 All artists experience imposter syndrome, a common phenomenon. I must confess that I don't have a definitive solution to overcome it, but my best advice is to persist in your efforts until you feel content. As long as the work resonates with you and meets your own standards of perfection, that should be sufficient.
She's right. After writing fanfic for years, I've recently decided to sit down and try to write an actual, honest-to-God book with the eventual end-goal of publishing it for actual money. In order to do that, I had to stop treating writing like a hobby and start treating it like work - 1500 words a day, minimum. And when you start treating something like a job, it's not long before it starts FEELING like a job. I try to give myself weekends off to avoid burnout, but even then, I low-key dread Monday morning just like everybody else. On the bright side, it's hard to argue against results. I've written about 90,000 words so far. If I keep up my current pace, I should be done by the end of the Summer, unless Writer's Block decides to show up and kick my ass again. And of course, while I have days where it's a real struggle to reach that daily word quota, I also have days where I get so into my writing that I end up breezing past that quota without even really trying to. I get good days and bad days, like in any other job. TL;DR - Even if you love your job...it's still a *job.*
What the other person said 1500 is on Stephen King levels of writing. It's not impossible, I'm not saying don't do it, but it's also a monumental task if you're doing things that isn't just sitting down at your desk all day
There's a reason people say "Don't turn your hobbies into a career." Because you may start seeing it less as a fun thing you do because you enjoy it, and more as a thing you do to get food on the table.
EXACTLY! I like to draw and started doing it more focused on getting an income during pandemics, opening a Patreon and doing comissions... As well as keeping a consistent posting schedule. That ruined all the fun in drawing after a whole year, now i barely draw anymore...
@@AcidiFy574 it is. But the mentality is the 'turn it into a career' bit. You do a hobby for your own benefit. You work to other's benefits and get paid based on that. You CAN turn your hobby into work but know that 1. It's no longer just for you and 2. You will need a new hobby. Many don't and just think they can be paid doing their hobby. Thus either they don't get paid or they sacrifice what they want you do for others.
I'd rather make bank doing this than any other job, I make bank in the service industry, I'm still a college student, but she makes wayyyyyy more money than I do. I'd rather get BS haters online than in person
"Find a job you enjoy doing, and you will never have to work a day in your life" sounds very enticing, but even one's dream job can be riddled with annoyances and boring work even if one lands that dream job, one might find less enjoyment than they thought they would get; or even if they do enjoy it a lot, they can’t help but think "it's still work and really tedious"
This exactly. I'm a professional artist. I am able to pay all my bills and live comfortably off of what I make as an artist, but it's definitely work. In some ways, being a creator (or just being self employed at all really) is harder than a 9-5. Sure, we set our own schedule and do what we love, but we also often work 16 hours a day, marketing, meetings with clients, sketching/painting/finalizing, it's endless. There's also no one to pick up the slack if we need to take a sick day, it's brutal. I still wouldn't trade it for an office job, and I know I have it better than most, but it's not all fairytales and sunshine either.
Which is why the happiest people aren't those who land their dream jobs and live the dream life, it's those that can enjoy themselves in quite literally any situation. The funnest people make typewriting seem like a blast, and they are a pleasure to talk to, unless you like calling anyone knowledgeable a nerd, that is.
Honestly, my dream job has a 10% entertaining and complicated work to 90% boring shit ratio. It's fun to learn new things and challenge yourself, but you cannot sustain that kind of workload indefinitely and you absolutely need a fair amount of just boring busywork to let your brain decompress and sort through the new memories you made while resolving the complicated stuff. Quite frankly, as long as you don't hate the subject matter and you can pick up the knowledge fast enough, then any job that pays reasonably well and gives you an appropriate balance of challenge to boring work can become your dream job. I used to work for a licensing enforcement branch of my local government and there were literally only two parts of that job that I disliked: the pay and needing to talk on the phone to people. Not gonna lie, if there was a good way to resolve those two problems then I'd be content to work there for the rest of my life. It is very fulfilling to gain a mastery over a skill and branch of knowledge while basically doing busy work for the majority of the day.
facts. everything has a downside to it or a consequence, its absolutely fine to complain and getting forced to do something (even if you like it) when you dont feel like it can be annoying
“You get to be your own boss” is a term I used to coin back when I wanted to be successful as an LP TH-camr…I’m not that successful and even now I understand how stupid I was. Being your own boss means you’re not able to take it easy, a lot of people think that if you become a TH-camr you don’t have to worry about going to work on time or being late but you still worry about those things. The only difference is that instead of a random person yelling at you for being late or not doing something right it’s you and only you. Being a TH-camr is stressful but I still want to make this dream happen!
Self employment is like growing from a kid to an adult. You don't get away from the parent telling you want to do. You BECOME the parent telling you what to do.
@@gazclarke3618 ??? Your putting words in my mouth. Of _course_ you did it before there was money, but the point is that it stops being something you love after you make it your job.
Thank you. Seriously, from the bottom of my heart, you have no idea how much I appreciate you doing this for us. You make such a good point, once it becomes an obligation it's work. Thank you for trying to keep people from having a heavily warped perspective of your job.
I found this particular fact out for myself after getting work as an overnight clerk in a gas station some years back; staying up all night, chatting with randoms, or just fucking around was FUN as a kid/teen/young adult because I was not paid to do it. Forced to stay up late, into the early morning because I AM OBLIGATED TO AS PER MY JOB... is significantly less fun. Also the lack of a decently sized monitor and easy access to the internet kind of kills the fun factor :P Makes me a bit reluctant to shoot down my teenage nephew's dreams of being a vet/rancher/homesteader/pro-gamer/skateboarder content creator, for all that i feel like he could use a dose of... reality lmao Cheers, Rin! ❤
Rin is honestly, one of the best people to listen to if you want to get into Vtubing. There's always cons to a career or job, regardless of how much you may enjoy doing it. If I may, when I was doing video editing and story writing as a hobby, that I was and still am super passionate about, I was so happy doing it. Now that I've went to college and done free lance work, it's definitely a drag and tedious. I still love doing it, but there are sleepless night, and times where I have to cancel on friends and parties. Everything has a con, so know what you're getting into.
Honestly, good on you for spreading awareness and honestly just straight up talking about both the pros and cons of vtubing. It really is super romanticized and it helps when people like you who are already in the industry provide frank assessments of what it’s like to be in your position so people can make a more informed decision about whether they really want to sign up or not.
yeah being a vtuber is really hard i mean what u need to the only u are doing is moving ur mouse that's it oh you are talented u work wow so those people working all the day just to make a penny are working easier than this person think oh u know me streaming without even showing my face is hard all the vtubers and i mean all of them are cringe weebs and same for their audience
Okay, but I'll be honest with you. I'd rather be forced to play videogames when I'm not in the mood, then to be forced to talk to strangers or to do monotonous tasks when I'm not in the mood.
The thing is, "play videogames for a living" is a super warped view of what being a successful streamer is like. While your choice of game and skill showcase can bring people in, they don't stick around unless you're ENTERTAINING. People click for the game, but they sub and donate for the player.
I wanna be a VTuber someday, and watching the stuff you talk about makes me think how hard it actually is, but just makes me more motivated and more aware of what I want to get myself into.. So thanks xD
I love listening to Rin complain! One, I love the accent and she's actually talking fast enough for me to understand and pay attention. Two, It's fascinating to see the underbelly of the beast.
I love her "reality check" shorts that give you that behind-the-curtain look at what it's really like to be a vtuber! This kind of content is what got me interested in vtubers in the first place!
I remember this Twitter feed that showed up. A woman was upset because her daughter didn't want to go to college and wanted to be a VTuber. The girl had already taken her life savings and splurged for a model, the girl was 18/19 years old. In that feed there were other VTubers saying the mom was not wrong being upset and laying down the law about the collge fund. (Apparently the girl wanted to use it for her debut) Thing is in being a VTuber you need other skills of some sortPunkalopi is an aspiring stand up commedienne and has turned that into her routine as a VTuber her uncle taughter her stand up and now she is using that skill. Onigiri likes to cook, and our Prince here is a shitposting memelord with a Bit of British in her, but she has a bit of skills that she can use to entertain. A lot of corpo VTubers that started off as Gamers such as Selen, have taken singing and dancing classes in order to further their own goals as an corporate VTuber. If they don't have at least one skill then all you have is a boring person or someone that might as well be a TikToking thirst trap
as an art student who basically went to this major bc of hobby. now i have a couple new hobbies just so i have a place where i can running after my assignment.
I sincerely appreciate these more than anything, I've understood the overall work involved since I've done similar work in the past, but knowing that there isn't really a team helping and it's primarily the talent makes me feel that much more enthralled by the sheer prowess of the vtubers across the board and their commitment as entertainers.
I think what people should think about more is what you have to do within what you have to do. Yes, videogames are a lot less fun when you have to play them, but when working an office job you have specific things you have to do within a deadline. (Correct me if im wrong)
I honestly love the fact that Rin is giving us the truth about what she does. Not just the silver lining, but the whole sky. The good, the bad, and the ugly. Letting people know about stuff like this could get them to realize "maybe this job isn't for me."
Most complaints are opinions, and by definition an opinion can't be wrong. Your entitled to your opinion, because its your point of view on whatever subject your talking about. As long as your not trying to force your opinion onto others, its perfectly fine to express it. If others font like it, then they dont have to listen.
One-time i got so mad but because i couldnt raise my Voice because the neighbors would complain i got somewhat a French accent onto my Cursing and swearing
I think it's really great that Rin gives us some info on the more "back end" aspects of the job. So many people see it as just plop yourself in front of the PC and play games all day, conveniently forgetting the entertaining chat aspect of it, but all the planning, meetings, scraps in Tescos car park, slowly purchasing IKEA stock until you become majority shareholder, it's a lot to do that isn't glamorous or fun, well a ruck down Tescos might be.
I remember Mori Calliope saying something like "if you become a vtuber, you have to stream according to schedule even if you're not in the mood because this is what you decided to do for a living". And she also said that she didn't genuinely like most of the games she streamed in the first year or so. That sounds rough.
Every job can get annoying and difficult after a while. A job's a job. It's hard work. No matter what you're doing. It can look easy until you start doing it yourself.
Way back when I tested the streaming waters when I was off work, and very quickly found that even with no other demands on my time I could not stick to even a light schedule. So I knew it wasn't for me, no money down. Would recommend to others considering: just stream something, talk to the empty room, edit the videos for youtube, and see if you can keep doing it and how often, then after a month see if it was workable and if you could increase your schedule to whatever a full-timer should be doing. If you can't, then stream socially or kill it off, and at least you know for sure. I might re-try it once my health improves because that was a factor, but no way in hell I'd look into signing contracts or paying for gubbins like rigs and arts before re-running that test.
can relate. I'm not even full time content creator (just trying to post and stream weekly) and I don't even want to play any games after bearly half a year!
This! When I started vtubing I got everything looking professional and when it came time to doing it over and over again on games with no growth it was torture.
I started making content a while back and having to work on the video (scripting Mon Tue, recording Tue, editing Tue Wed Thur Fri, release Fri) is definitely a lil exhausting because of the "rather be doing something else" thing. However, I do enjoy editing lmao I can't lie despite the fact I need to spend the weekend checking analytics and weekdays making vids
I work QA on video games, and I love my job. But I will never play any game I worked on after it's been released, because then it just feels like work. (thankfully the game I work on is not my kind of game to play)
This really comes down to schedule, if you upload once or a couple times a week you can essentially sit down for a couple hours playing the games you wanna play and if you’re a let’s player the time spent editing is minimal compared to most other avenues on TH-cam, I don’t make content (Mostly out of laziness and lack of necessary equipment) so maybe I’m just out of my depth but with so many easy to use editing tools compared to a few years ago content creation been easy as a casual thing. Full time though? Have fun suffering
100% correct, I’ve seen a few friends try at content creation and after a couple months they just stopped. Though it hasn’t been one of the reasons I have chosen not to. I’m good at long planning games Hoi, Eve online, satisfactory even though my duration (relatively) is short to my “history”(if you can call it that). FPS was a major hit for me but it would require lot of grinding and skill development to reach a “competent” level. It felt like a chore most of the time, but since console was limited I had little choice back then, Titanfall 2, Battlefield 1, apex, Fortnite. Never really good at them to begin with, but I stuck with them and enjoyed them in the end.
Thank for this! The first time I heard a streamer give Real Advice like this I was upset that it shattered the fantasy I made in my head about it. But it was the wake up call I needed.
As someone who runs a Gaming TH-cam channel, I 100% agree with what she is saying! I will sometimes purposely leave a game out of my channel just so I can still have fun with it unlike games I play for TH-cam which I feel like I can’t even touch if I am not streaming it
It's the 90 that is struggle so hard with. I love to stream. Every day, twice a day, love it. But making videos, omg. The sound of my own voice makes me dissociate, and considering i have a legit dissociation disorder...yeah. i just...can't. And that is what is holding me back. Gods, why can't shit be easier, i swear.
Thank you for saying this. I don't really make money out of streaming/content creation and I do spend most of my time when I'm not at work, doing more work on my channels. And it's just a hobby right now ^^; I overwork myself. Am I pushing myself too hard? Maybe. Am I going to stop? No way!
I learned about this very thing in psychology class while I was in high school, only the examples used were football players and how the players loved it as students, but kind of hate it as their job when they get into the NFL.
Bro on coming Vtuber right here and I fuckin love the fact I can draw because that means when I am not in the mood to game I can draw and vice versa, makes my job a whole lot easier but I get the struggle some times I am not in the mood for either, working is just a struggle.
I made a TH-cam video four months ago, and my manager (I don't work in entertainment) wants really badly for me to make another episode, but it is such hard work, I believe you when you talk about the difficulties, because even dipping my toe into content creation was a LOT of work.
This also extends to things like being in game development. When your hobby becomes your job, it becomes incredibly hard to just merely enjoy it as a hobby. I worked in game dev for 15ish years and booooooy did I only really play two or three games regularly. Everything else was never started or one and done. But now that've I have left the industry? I've reignited my love for pokemon AND been carving a path of destruction through my steam backlogs.
I like to listen to these because it's neat to look into the streaming career more closely. Despite the many, many warnings, it's still an interesting job that many people want to see what it's like to work as one.
Yea, I can understand that. I forgot who said it but I remember seeing a youtuber say “anyone who says that if you love your work, its never really work, is bullshitting” or smth along those lines. Which I believe to be true cuz I could never imagine being a small time youtuber and spending 13+ hours editing a 20-30 min video so it grabs peoples attention and then repeating said cycle 😅 Props to youtubers tho who stay committed and then grow and go on to do crazy cool things
As a person who rides writing another chapter is like doing hell because you have to think of everything the plot the characters how is continuing the grammar, everything else it has to match and takes the fun away from writing. Please do not turn your hobbies you enjoy into a job. It won’t be fun because a job is a job it’s not something you can just change up to make it fun forever.
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Honestly skill issue dude
just don't want to do anything but play games
problem solved! (jk)
pin of shame
@@DiseaPoto i'm honored to say the least.
@@DiseaPotoIs it really? Sometimes it can go around as a joke. (Not to be rude to anyone here)
Absolute skill issue
Now this gives "Rin Real" a whole nother meaning.
These shorts really have been used to vent Rin's frustrations, and damn, the prince is entertaining when she's complaining.
Everything sucks when you make it a "job."
Hence the saying: Make your job fun. Seemingly impossible, but very much possible if you aren't too stubborn to change your mindset.
Do what George RR Martin did; take long breaks and wait until you have a seemingly brilliant idea.
@@Sequor.me as a rapper be like (I can't make myself right, it's garbage, it's only when I get inspiration, And usually at an incredibly inconvenient time, like being completely sleep deprived in the morning after staying up all night. I write my best bars without even trying, and I legit hate that because I can't try to make good ones, they just have to come. I'm not talented, I'm possessed, I hate it.)
@@MrGamelover23 All artists experience imposter syndrome, a common phenomenon. I must confess that I don't have a definitive solution to overcome it, but my best advice is to persist in your efforts until you feel content. As long as the work resonates with you and meets your own standards of perfection, that should be sufficient.
@@Sequor.just stop feeling like an impostor, bro. It's like,,, not that hard,,,,
She's right. After writing fanfic for years, I've recently decided to sit down and try to write an actual, honest-to-God book with the eventual end-goal of publishing it for actual money. In order to do that, I had to stop treating writing like a hobby and start treating it like work - 1500 words a day, minimum.
And when you start treating something like a job, it's not long before it starts FEELING like a job. I try to give myself weekends off to avoid burnout, but even then, I low-key dread Monday morning just like everybody else.
On the bright side, it's hard to argue against results. I've written about 90,000 words so far. If I keep up my current pace, I should be done by the end of the Summer, unless Writer's Block decides to show up and kick my ass again.
And of course, while I have days where it's a real struggle to reach that daily word quota, I also have days where I get so into my writing that I end up breezing past that quota without even really trying to. I get good days and bad days, like in any other job.
TL;DR - Even if you love your job...it's still a *job.*
1500 words per day is insane my dude. I max out at 1500 words per week
What the other person said 1500 is on Stephen King levels of writing. It's not impossible, I'm not saying don't do it, but it's also a monumental task if you're doing things that isn't just sitting down at your desk all day
What will your book be called?
Bro whats ur premise! Give us the tea! 👀
My aunt is doing this and recently she published her first book and she's so happy, I hope for you to feel the same and good luck!
There's a reason people say "Don't turn your hobbies into a career."
Because you may start seeing it less as a fun thing you do because you enjoy it, and more as a thing you do to get food on the table.
That's a mentality issue
Fr, it sounds so sad to just stop enjoying the stuff you used to love
EXACTLY!
I like to draw and started doing it more focused on getting an income during pandemics, opening a Patreon and doing comissions... As well as keeping a consistent posting schedule.
That ruined all the fun in drawing after a whole year, now i barely draw anymore...
@@AcidiFy574 it is. But the mentality is the 'turn it into a career' bit. You do a hobby for your own benefit. You work to other's benefits and get paid based on that.
You CAN turn your hobby into work but know that 1. It's no longer just for you and 2. You will need a new hobby.
Many don't and just think they can be paid doing their hobby. Thus either they don't get paid or they sacrifice what they want you do for others.
I'd rather make bank doing this than any other job, I make bank in the service industry, I'm still a college student, but she makes wayyyyyy more money than I do. I'd rather get BS haters online than in person
"Find a job you enjoy doing, and you will never have to work a day in your life" sounds very enticing, but even one's dream job can be riddled with annoyances and boring work
even if one lands that dream job, one might find less enjoyment than they thought they would get; or even if they do enjoy it a lot, they can’t help but think "it's still work and really tedious"
Sounds like that one post of a zoologist saying their job is wild because on mondays they think "ugh, i have to weight the penguins again..."
This exactly. I'm a professional artist. I am able to pay all my bills and live comfortably off of what I make as an artist, but it's definitely work.
In some ways, being a creator (or just being self employed at all really) is harder than a 9-5. Sure, we set our own schedule and do what we love, but we also often work 16 hours a day, marketing, meetings with clients, sketching/painting/finalizing, it's endless. There's also no one to pick up the slack if we need to take a sick day, it's brutal.
I still wouldn't trade it for an office job, and I know I have it better than most, but it's not all fairytales and sunshine either.
Which is why the happiest people aren't those who land their dream jobs and live the dream life, it's those that can enjoy themselves in quite literally any situation. The funnest people make typewriting seem like a blast, and they are a pleasure to talk to, unless you like calling anyone knowledgeable a nerd, that is.
Honestly, my dream job has a 10% entertaining and complicated work to 90% boring shit ratio. It's fun to learn new things and challenge yourself, but you cannot sustain that kind of workload indefinitely and you absolutely need a fair amount of just boring busywork to let your brain decompress and sort through the new memories you made while resolving the complicated stuff.
Quite frankly, as long as you don't hate the subject matter and you can pick up the knowledge fast enough, then any job that pays reasonably well and gives you an appropriate balance of challenge to boring work can become your dream job. I used to work for a licensing enforcement branch of my local government and there were literally only two parts of that job that I disliked: the pay and needing to talk on the phone to people. Not gonna lie, if there was a good way to resolve those two problems then I'd be content to work there for the rest of my life. It is very fulfilling to gain a mastery over a skill and branch of knowledge while basically doing busy work for the majority of the day.
Find a job you like doing and you'll never rest a day in your life
I think the reason for the complaints is actually being British. I can relate.
Same
Hope you get better soon
Being brutally honest is a requirement for being British
As a French guy, I relate to being obligated to complaint because of my nationality
Aussie are complainers I can relate
Rin single-handedly keeping me humble while I consider being a full time creative. Thanks for your real reels Rin
facts. everything has a downside to it or a consequence, its absolutely fine to complain and getting forced to do something (even if you like it) when you dont feel like it can be annoying
“You get to be your own boss” is a term I used to coin back when I wanted to be successful as an LP TH-camr…I’m not that successful and even now I understand how stupid I was. Being your own boss means you’re not able to take it easy, a lot of people think that if you become a TH-camr you don’t have to worry about going to work on time or being late but you still worry about those things. The only difference is that instead of a random person yelling at you for being late or not doing something right it’s you and only you. Being a TH-camr is stressful but I still want to make this dream happen!
Self employment is like growing from a kid to an adult. You don't get away from the parent telling you want to do. You BECOME the parent telling you what to do.
When people say do what you love and you’ll never work a day, they don’t understand that what you love becomes the work. There’s no avoiding it.
You didn't really love it then, because if you did you would have already been doing it before money was involved, so nothing would have changed.
@@gazclarke3618 ??? Your putting words in my mouth. Of _course_ you did it before there was money, but the point is that it stops being something you love after you make it your job.
@@theautisticartist9370 Not always.
Don't worry about the British accent. It's distinguished and cute. You're awesome
This. We love our British Prince complainer.
Average 9 to 5 is still harder
"Doing what you love isn't always fun" is something people should know and brace for, really.
And great video as always Rin 🙏🏻
Thank you. Seriously, from the bottom of my heart, you have no idea how much I appreciate you doing this for us. You make such a good point, once it becomes an obligation it's work. Thank you for trying to keep people from having a heavily warped perspective of your job.
I found this particular fact out for myself after getting work as an overnight clerk in a gas station some years back; staying up all night, chatting with randoms, or just fucking around was FUN as a kid/teen/young adult because I was not paid to do it.
Forced to stay up late, into the early morning because I AM OBLIGATED TO AS PER MY JOB... is significantly less fun.
Also the lack of a decently sized monitor and easy access to the internet kind of kills the fun factor :P
Makes me a bit reluctant to shoot down my teenage nephew's dreams of being a vet/rancher/homesteader/pro-gamer/skateboarder content creator, for all that i feel like he could use a dose of... reality lmao
Cheers, Rin! ❤
Rin is honestly, one of the best people to listen to if you want to get into Vtubing. There's always cons to a career or job, regardless of how much you may enjoy doing it. If I may, when I was doing video editing and story writing as a hobby, that I was and still am super passionate about, I was so happy doing it. Now that I've went to college and done free lance work, it's definitely a drag and tedious. I still love doing it, but there are sleepless night, and times where I have to cancel on friends and parties. Everything has a con, so know what you're getting into.
Honestly, good on you for spreading awareness and honestly just straight up talking about both the pros and cons of vtubing. It really is super romanticized and it helps when people like you who are already in the industry provide frank assessments of what it’s like to be in your position so people can make a more informed decision about whether they really want to sign up or not.
It's important to remember that not everything you do should be for content and to have fun on your own sometimes. but then there's poor Rin 😵💫
“Just because someone doesn’t like my opinion doesn’t mean I’m wrong” THIS IS SO TRUE IN SO MANY WAYS
yeah being a vtuber is really hard i mean what u need to the only u are doing is moving ur mouse that's it oh you are talented u work wow so those people working all the day just to make a penny are working easier than this person think oh u know me streaming without even showing my face is hard all the vtubers and i mean all of them are cringe weebs and same for their audience
Did she just say “get played for paying video games”?
Thank you for also noticing.
Straight facts. Being on a schedule to have to do something, even something you enjoy, for the purpose of profit really sucks the fun out of it
Rin we need to talk about this thumbnail...
"It doesn't get hard sometimes."
Lmao
was only a matter of time before she would admit it
Truly the biggest problem for vtubers
Quick reminder they can't pick their thumbnail for shorts.
Still is an interesting screenshot though. Oh the meme potential.
@@MrSJPowell The editors knew what they're doing XD. Or probably just revenger towards here
My dear friend. Complain more. Agonize the masses with bearing witness the struggles and let them imagine a FRACTION of what its like 😊
That is exactly why I can’t consistently do commission painting for miniatures, it’s makes a fun hobby a timed thing that you MUST do
Her avatar looks like it is trying to keep up with her speaking so fast😂😂
That's fast? Seems normal to me!
🅱️in 🅱️enrose where did the 🅱️in 🅱️enrose come from?
I think it started as a joke on her debut stream, if i remember correctly
It’s giving the…. “Try being a influencer for a day. Try it” audio lskdjiskamakao
Okay, but I'll be honest with you. I'd rather be forced to play videogames when I'm not in the mood, then to be forced to talk to strangers or to do monotonous tasks when I'm not in the mood.
The thing is, "play videogames for a living" is a super warped view of what being a successful streamer is like. While your choice of game and skill showcase can bring people in, they don't stick around unless you're ENTERTAINING.
People click for the game, but they sub and donate for the player.
"Played for paying video games" it really does happen to everyone.
"When you do what you love, your life becomes your work and you can never clock out."
You decided to show up in my shorts feed, guess this is my life now lol
I wanna be a VTuber someday, and watching the stuff you talk about makes me think how hard it actually is, but just makes me more motivated and more aware of what I want to get myself into.. So thanks xD
I love listening to Rin complain! One, I love the accent and she's actually talking fast enough for me to understand and pay attention. Two, It's fascinating to see the underbelly of the beast.
"Work with what you love and you gonna hate everything"
I love her "reality check" shorts that give you that behind-the-curtain look at what it's really like to be a vtuber!
This kind of content is what got me interested in vtubers in the first place!
It's a guy btw
@@Cam_420So? What is the problem?
Welcome to Real Talk by Rin Penrose~
the reality check we all need from time to time in the mist of all the humor Rin delivers
Bruh I just opened TH-cam and Rin just posted a short, todae is a good dae
STILL BETTER THAN WORKING AT MCDONALDS 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
Early as sun
Rin: "Why y'all booing me? I'm right!"
“get played for paying video games”
I remember this Twitter feed that showed up. A woman was upset because her daughter didn't want to go to college and wanted to be a VTuber. The girl had already taken her life savings and splurged for a model, the girl was 18/19 years old.
In that feed there were other VTubers saying the mom was not wrong being upset and laying down the law about the collge fund. (Apparently the girl wanted to use it for her debut)
Thing is in being a VTuber you need other skills of some sortPunkalopi is an aspiring stand up commedienne and has turned that into her routine as a VTuber her uncle taughter her stand up and now she is using that skill. Onigiri likes to cook, and our Prince here is a shitposting memelord with a Bit of British in her, but she has a bit of skills that she can use to entertain.
A lot of corpo VTubers that started off as Gamers such as Selen, have taken singing and dancing classes in order to further their own goals as an corporate VTuber.
If they don't have at least one skill then all you have is a boring person or someone that might as well be a TikToking thirst trap
The editor is the real goat for being able to translate what 🅱️in is talking about to English.
as an art student who basically went to this major bc of hobby. now i have a couple new hobbies just so i have a place where i can running after my assignment.
I'm glad we have people like you who are actually speaking the truth to the people who outright refuse that TH-cam is WORK.
I sincerely appreciate these more than anything, I've understood the overall work involved since I've done similar work in the past, but knowing that there isn't really a team helping and it's primarily the talent makes me feel that much more enthralled by the sheer prowess of the vtubers across the board and their commitment as entertainers.
Mark Twain is famous for saying that work is defined by obligation.
0:17 "get played for paying video games"
I think what people should think about more is what you have to do within what you have to do. Yes, videogames are a lot less fun when you have to play them, but when working an office job you have specific things you have to do within a deadline. (Correct me if im wrong)
I honestly love the fact that Rin is giving us the truth about what she does. Not just the silver lining, but the whole sky. The good, the bad, and the ugly. Letting people know about stuff like this could get them to realize "maybe this job isn't for me."
I feel this, I tried to start doing TH-cam but even my just weekly uploads started feeling g like choirs and I couldn’t keep doing it
Most complaints are opinions, and by definition an opinion can't be wrong.
Your entitled to your opinion, because its your point of view on whatever subject your talking about.
As long as your not trying to force your opinion onto others, its perfectly fine to express it. If others font like it, then they dont have to listen.
I still love these shorts Rin
Man I'm loving seeing rin in my feed so much.
I'm not sure why but I'm loving her shorts so much.
One-time i got so mad but because i couldnt raise my Voice because the neighbors would complain i got somewhat a French accent onto my Cursing and swearing
Work
you can't really have a hobby for a job, you can only turn a hobby into work.
DO NOT BE FOOLED!
rin is trying to monopolize the Vtuber market and control all the supply. do not let her
I think it's really great that Rin gives us some info on the more "back end" aspects of the job. So many people see it as just plop yourself in front of the PC and play games all day, conveniently forgetting the entertaining chat aspect of it, but all the planning, meetings, scraps in Tescos car park, slowly purchasing IKEA stock until you become majority shareholder, it's a lot to do that isn't glamorous or fun, well a ruck down Tescos might be.
I remember Mori Calliope saying something like "if you become a vtuber, you have to stream according to schedule even if you're not in the mood because this is what you decided to do for a living". And she also said that she didn't genuinely like most of the games she streamed in the first year or so. That sounds rough.
Honestly I really appreciate Rin's complaints! I wanna know the pros AND cons. Honesty about the reality of vtubing (or any job) is helpful.
I know it was a flub, but "get played for paying video games" is a very funny phrase I want to see people use when talking about gacha games
Not to mention having to deal with hundreds of thousands of stakeholders with varying levels of respect and tact.
0:17 I can get played to pay video games??? Sign me right up!
there are two ways to make shorts now...
1. Pochi style: calm and cute
2. Bin style: trying to outspeed Rap God..
Every job can get annoying and difficult after a while. A job's a job. It's hard work. No matter what you're doing. It can look easy until you start doing it yourself.
Way back when I tested the streaming waters when I was off work, and very quickly found that even with no other demands on my time I could not stick to even a light schedule. So I knew it wasn't for me, no money down. Would recommend to others considering: just stream something, talk to the empty room, edit the videos for youtube, and see if you can keep doing it and how often, then after a month see if it was workable and if you could increase your schedule to whatever a full-timer should be doing. If you can't, then stream socially or kill it off, and at least you know for sure.
I might re-try it once my health improves because that was a factor, but no way in hell I'd look into signing contracts or paying for gubbins like rigs and arts before re-running that test.
can relate. I'm not even full time content creator (just trying to post and stream weekly) and I don't even want to play any games after bearly half a year!
This! When I started vtubing I got everything looking professional and when it came time to doing it over and over again on games with no growth it was torture.
I started making content a while back and having to work on the video (scripting Mon Tue, recording Tue, editing Tue Wed Thur Fri, release Fri) is definitely a lil exhausting because of the "rather be doing something else" thing. However, I do enjoy editing lmao I can't lie despite the fact I need to spend the weekend checking analytics and weekdays making vids
I've been uploading videos to TH-cam since 2012. This channel is the most successful one so far
I do not know why you are all over my TH-cam shorts at the moment, but I do enjoy watching them. Keep doing what you are doing.
I work QA on video games, and I love my job. But I will never play any game I worked on after it's been released, because then it just feels like work.
(thankfully the game I work on is not my kind of game to play)
This really comes down to schedule, if you upload once or a couple times a week you can essentially sit down for a couple hours playing the games you wanna play and if you’re a let’s player the time spent editing is minimal compared to most other avenues on TH-cam, I don’t make content (Mostly out of laziness and lack of necessary equipment) so maybe I’m just out of my depth but with so many easy to use editing tools compared to a few years ago content creation been easy as a casual thing. Full time though? Have fun suffering
Thank you editors ❤
100% correct, I’ve seen a few friends try at content creation and after a couple months they just stopped. Though it hasn’t been one of the reasons I have chosen not to. I’m good at long planning games Hoi, Eve online, satisfactory even though my duration (relatively) is short to my “history”(if you can call it that). FPS was a major hit for me but it would require lot of grinding and skill development to reach a “competent” level. It felt like a chore most of the time, but since console was limited I had little choice back then, Titanfall 2, Battlefield 1, apex, Fortnite. Never really good at them to begin with, but I stuck with them and enjoyed them in the end.
Thank for this!
The first time I heard a streamer give Real Advice like this I was upset that it shattered the fantasy I made in my head about it. But it was the wake up call I needed.
As someone who runs a Gaming TH-cam channel, I 100% agree with what she is saying! I will sometimes purposely leave a game out of my channel just so I can still have fun with it unlike games I play for TH-cam which I feel like I can’t even touch if I am not streaming it
You are the only TH-camr that can keep up with how fast i read. Thank you 😊
I want to say i love the way you move when you talk lol,
Loving these informative and entertaining shorts more and more♡♥︎
It's the 90 that is struggle so hard with. I love to stream. Every day, twice a day, love it. But making videos, omg. The sound of my own voice makes me dissociate, and considering i have a legit dissociation disorder...yeah. i just...can't. And that is what is holding me back. Gods, why can't shit be easier, i swear.
Channelling some Asmon energy there. "Just because people disagree doesn't mean you're wrong."
Thank you for saying this. I don't really make money out of streaming/content creation and I do spend most of my time when I'm not at work, doing more work on my channels. And it's just a hobby right now ^^; I overwork myself. Am I pushing myself too hard? Maybe. Am I going to stop? No way!
I learned about this very thing in psychology class while I was in high school, only the examples used were football players and how the players loved it as students, but kind of hate it as their job when they get into the NFL.
Bro on coming Vtuber right here and I fuckin love the fact I can draw because that means when I am not in the mood to game I can draw and vice versa, makes my job a whole lot easier but I get the struggle some times I am not in the mood for either, working is just a struggle.
"Plaid for paying videogames" -Rin
Tbf, sometimes I *wish* I was forced to play games. Might get me motivated to actually get up and finish one of those damn things.
I made a TH-cam video four months ago, and my manager (I don't work in entertainment) wants really badly for me to make another episode, but it is such hard work, I believe you when you talk about the difficulties, because even dipping my toe into content creation was a LOT of work.
i urge everyone to play needy streamer overload before deciding to become a content creator
God the offline part is the worst part of it all 😭 I’ll be knee deep in editing and sit there like “I’m an artist, not a video editor 🥲”
This also extends to things like being in game development. When your hobby becomes your job, it becomes incredibly hard to just merely enjoy it as a hobby. I worked in game dev for 15ish years and booooooy did I only really play two or three games regularly. Everything else was never started or one and done. But now that've I have left the industry? I've reignited my love for pokemon AND been carving a path of destruction through my steam backlogs.
ABSOLUTELY BASED QUOTE
“Just because some people don’t like my complaints doesn’t mean I’m wrong”
A more easily visible example of the same phenomenon is working on your car for fun vs. being a mechanic/detailer
I like to listen to these because it's neat to look into the streaming career more closely.
Despite the many, many warnings, it's still an interesting job that many people want to see what it's like to work as one.
That's why I already force myself to play games when I'd rather take a walk. I want to prepare myself for if I ever become a full time streamer.
Yea, I can understand that. I forgot who said it but I remember seeing a youtuber say “anyone who says that if you love your work, its never really work, is bullshitting” or smth along those lines. Which I believe to be true cuz I could never imagine being a small time youtuber and spending 13+ hours editing a 20-30 min video so it grabs peoples attention and then repeating said cycle 😅
Props to youtubers tho who stay committed and then grow and go on to do crazy cool things
As a person who rides writing another chapter is like doing hell because you have to think of everything the plot the characters how is continuing the grammar, everything else it has to match and takes the fun away from writing. Please do not turn your hobbies you enjoy into a job. It won’t be fun because a job is a job it’s not something you can just change up to make it fun forever.
I love how the model's mouth can't keep up with how fast Rin is talking
And that is very true