Update On My Mercedes 190 Evo 2 Engine Swap

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  • @Hondadude46
    @Hondadude46 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    For sure the 104. Then you still have a car to drive, the red one. Why store the engine, for what? To sell it later on? No, go for 6er... you also get a better sound👍🏻Easy as that.

    • @williamchan5573
      @williamchan5573 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Just build another one

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don’t plan on driving the C230 at all. And can’t sell it because it’s salvage title

  • @iacopotuttino5515
    @iacopotuttino5515 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The m111k is the best choice. I know a man in my town here in Italy that has more than 360k kilometres and it runs still like a clock. And by swapping the compressor pulleys you can gain some more power. Great project man. (Might be interesting some twincharged project, but this is really really complex).

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for sharing & supporting the build

  • @Fisgrisen
    @Fisgrisen 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    100% M104 since there are a LOT of aftermarket parts for it, you can turbo convert it. Many people have done that swap into the w201 so a lot of info and help is out there to find and with a good M104 your options are massive 👍🏻 But I would if I could choose put a OM605 or 606 diesel turbo in it. Massive tuning ability and it’s a aesy swap and highly popular

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks for the info!

  • @martinxlai
    @martinxlai 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    for longevity go for M111k easy power boost for turbo swap easy up to 450hsp, for sound wise then the M104

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Great point! I'm leaning towards the M111k for this build.

  • @raymondkoledoye9941
    @raymondkoledoye9941 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    For me is the M156 AMG V8 engine it has power on the roads. In order your 190E Evolution 2 replica run good in the roads you must have AMG parts or racing modification parts to order make your 190E Evolution 2 replica run good and smooth in the roads.

  • @Zetrikz1
    @Zetrikz1 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Firstly I want to say that I really enjoy watching your videos. I find your project to be very ambitious and motivating to me personally. You inspired me by building the EVO II replica. I get excited every time you post an update video on the 190e and I look forward to each update on the car. Second, in regards to your dilemma for swapping the engine - both the M104 and the M111 are great engines. However you should keep in mind that prior to deciding to tune an engine you should first service it completely - I am talking timing chain, timing guides, camshaft phaser especially on the M111, any and all gaskets, pulleys etc. Ideally you should also perform a simple compression test on each engine to know if it's even suitable for tuning, because if it turns out that your engine has low compression (due to worn out piston rings, damaged valves/valve seats, or maybe even a blown head gasket which is common on the 2.3 Kompressor) you will have to rebuild the engine in order for it to make respectable power. The compression tester is a very helpful and honest tool :) .
    In regards to the M104 - I might be mistaken, but the smallest displacement M104 is a 2.8L. You claim that yours is a 2.6, which would mean that you have the M103 engine. With the M104 you can make it a high-revving naturally aspirated engine by putting stiffer valve springs and increase the displacement with a stroker kit (there are stroker kits for the M104 that bring it all the way up to 3.6L) and you can even turbocharge it on top of that which would make for a safe 400 crank HP. There are people who have done that and have put this engine in all kinds of cars - W124s, W209s, W201s etc... There are even a few people who have decided to stay true to the Kompressor idea of Mercedes and have attached an Eaton M90 supercharger to the M104 which in my opinion would be the best thing you could possibly do to this car as that would make it unique and at the same time true to the Kompressor line-up of engines of the 1990s and 2000s. All of that would require at the very least a MLS head gasket and some fabrication work for the charge piping, intercooler piping, it would also require a tune to the ECU, you will also have to fabricate an exhaust system to compliment the new engine and many more modifications but if you ask me it will be worth it and it would be epic. It's sad that Mercedes never made a supercharged inline-6 cylinder (I am aware of the M256 but it is not a true Kompressor).
    The M111 will fit more easily and is of course lighter than the M104 but I dont think that 2 extra cylinders would make the car "stiffer" or less nimble. I can speak with confidence about tuning the M111 as I own a '99 SLK 230K which I have tuned to ~240 hp at the crankshaft and I can give you the following information: The stock supercharger ot the 2.3 M111 is the Eaton M62 and it is capable of producing about 260 horsepower without using meth injection because it is inherently inefficient and the faster you spin it the more heat it produces. I even encountered knock before I upgraded my intercooler because of the heat that the supercharged produced. If you go down the path of putting an M111 in your car you will certainly have an easier task because many people have swapped the M111 into the W201 chassis and there is a lot of information online on how to do it. It also fits quite easily and requires less fab work - the engine mount brackets come straight from a W124 E220 which has the M111 in it. You will have to fabricate a transmission supporting plate for the 722.6 5-speed transmisson (which is a very reliable transmission but it can only handle 330 Nm of torque, the variants of that transmission which can handle more torque come in cars such as the 55 AMGs and 500-models with the M113k and M113 engines). Also the M111 2.3 engine loves to blow head gaskets between two cylinders because it is simply too thin because the cylinder bore is relatively big so you will have to come up with a MLS or a copper head gasket for it. You will also have to switch the MAF sensor as it is restricted to how much air mass it can read going into the engine and you will encounter limp mode if you overspin the blower without taking care of this sensor. Alternatively you can just put a MAF sensor from an E39 M5 which will work just fine but I would prefer to tune it through the ECU as I did with mine. Speaking of the ECU, it is not very tuner-friendly and you will be better off using a stand-alone ECU, which would also allow you to use 4 ignition coils instead of 2. There is proof of a 262-crank HP SLK 230 with the stock supercharger on TH-cam but I personally suspect that this engine is capable of achieving 300 horsepower with the M62 blower. You would have to use stiffer valve return springs in order to achieve higher RPMs and also a methanol injection to bring down those air intake temperatures as they are the limiting factor of the stock supercahrger. Also, you will have to use new injectors from an Audi 1.8T engine and maybe an adjustable fuel pressure regulator in addition to a new beefier intercooler. These parts are not expensive but you will have to spend some money if you decide to use a stand-alone ECU. I should also say that prior to overspinning any supercharger you should take it apart first and change its bearings and recoat the rotors if they are worn. Overspinning the supercharger shortens the life of the bearings in the front of the supercahrger and it just wouldn't make any sense to not take care of that before you decide to proceed with the tuning. They are inexpensive but WILL save you headaches - speaking about both the M62 and the M90 blowers.

    • @Zetrikz1
      @Zetrikz1 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Also, you can use a manual transmission for these engines - the 6 speed manual from an early SLK. They are relatively rare however, especially in Canada I would guess. I mean, they are rare here in Europe. I don't know how much torque this transmission can handle as I am really not familiar with it. I only know that it fits the engine and that it's rare. Fell free to ask me questions I would be honored to contribute even 0.01% to this epic project and to help a fellow brother in Christ born in the same year as me.

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The black car was a 2.6 the M104 is a 3.2 I believe. Thanks for watching.

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Do you have an IG I can message?

    • @Zetrikz1
      @Zetrikz1 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@magnacars I stopped using instagram a long time ago. I will send you an email. You have a M103 engine, the M104 has a 2.8, a 3.0 and a 3.2 L variant, but not a 2.6L As far as I know though they are pretty similar

  • @armandmouton4181
    @armandmouton4181 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I agree, go with the m104. You will be way happier with the final result.

  • @AuraKurai
    @AuraKurai 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Do the m111, that was my plan when I was looking to buy a 190e to convert into an evo, I ended buying a 2.3-16 so that went down the drain

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Do you like the 2.3-16 or would you have preferred M111?

    • @AuraKurai
      @AuraKurai 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@magnacars Despite being able to mod the M111 more and add way more power than a 2.3-16, I prefer the 16v variants because they are high reving (over 7k) and their unique sound the cosworths do, also due how they work, they like to be held at higher rpm when driving, the M111 its a more regular "normal" engine so it behaves like one, everything else like suspension etc, its irrelevant as all of them can be upgraded to the new/better stuff (the sls on the 16v is...odd), so its mostly what feeling you want off the engine.
      I myself enjoy the NA high reving engine, but for usability, access of parts and more power & response, the M111 is better, so I would say it depends on what you want from the car

  • @zaidklein7002
    @zaidklein7002 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    If you looking for an easy way out then the m111... If you want the car to drive like it looks then the m104 but they both good motors

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you for your advice

  • @lioboy2585
    @lioboy2585 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hi there,
    I personally think that the M104 is the better option, because it leaves some room in the engine bay for turbo charging and has more cubic capacity and the better jettronic. A friend of mine turbocharged his M104 in a S124 300E and this thing not only produces lots of power but also a huge amount of fun and the sound is significantly better. I have a turbocharged W123 280E and the six cylinder engines from mercedes are so great. I would recommend you to make a six cylinder out of your Evo II based on my great experiences with these engines.
    Greetings from the Schwarzwald

  • @Hawok13
    @Hawok13 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    unless you want huge hp numbers, go for the 111, the extra weight of the 6cyl right over in front of the front wheels would kill a bit of the handling of such a great car, after all theres a reason mercedes used 4pots in dtm with the 190e

  • @MykytaVoronin
    @MykytaVoronin 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think that the compressor engine will be a better engine to swap

  • @34unreal
    @34unreal 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    M104 for sure!

  • @Block-567
    @Block-567 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Put the m104 in the 190e.Then do a series on the red c230

    • @chrisevaggelou8473
      @chrisevaggelou8473 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Maybe a widebody DTM w202 in yellow

  • @omniscientorca2699
    @omniscientorca2699 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    M111k for sure. M111k proved itself as a working good running engine. You are going to have to modify the front for the m104 if you decide to put it in the evo 2, I have heard some people even have to rework the firewall to make the m104 fit on a 4 cylinder 190e. Also putting a m104 will make the car a bit nose heavy and won’t feel as nimble as a 4cyl. M111k you retain that, plus the 6 speed is made for the m111k so it will in general be easier for you on all fronts, hopefully this helps

    • @omniscientorca2699
      @omniscientorca2699 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Also I’m pretty sure that the transmission bolt patterns are the same across the m111, m102,m103 and m104 engines and all can be interchangeable in terms of bolting right up 🫡

  • @hagoppostgian4718
    @hagoppostgian4718 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey there I loved your 190e w201 Because I collected it Five 190e and I have good connection with Arab countries for spare parts engine and transmission for all Mercedes Benz just yesterday I founded 2,3 16 engine ,,,, but 320 24 valve OM 642 engine with getrag standard gear box that amazing idea

  • @carguynewb7856
    @carguynewb7856 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The m111 engine sounds epic

  • @asparceproton1
    @asparceproton1 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    M111K, but delete the supercharger and replace it with a turbo. They make really good power, the engines are already set up to reliably take forced induction, and it's becoming a more common swap with a bigger community. I believe this exact swap will be my next track car, and hopefully a Gridlife GLTC competitor in the future.

  • @MrRedcelica
    @MrRedcelica 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    the m104 will take alot more effort, if you wanna save put the m111 in and get a turbo manifold made and make it a turbo car!!

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I would like to not put more effort in as the Rolls LS swap is going on

  • @nickmercer8488
    @nickmercer8488 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Just put the M111k in for now since it’s already a good running engine and seems to be a solid platform as well! you can build the M104 on the side so if anything happens you already have a spare built engine.

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That’s a pretty good idea, thanks Nick

  • @dustybrowning148
    @dustybrowning148 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    you should put the m1,11k motor in the 190

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for letting me know your opinion

  • @samkerckhove2369
    @samkerckhove2369 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    M104 & m111 will cost the same to swap.
    But powerwise if you want to turbo it later you can push a m111 to 400hp on limit but the the m104 you can drive on 400hp safe even more.
    I would swap it with the m104 its a cool daily driver then and use the w202 with the m111 for fun car!

  • @isayuhh332
    @isayuhh332 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    the transmission in your 190e should easily bolt up to the m111k, since they used the same Motorblock in the m102, and m111k (just needs a different flywheel though i think)

  • @MusicMeetsTech
    @MusicMeetsTech 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    More power, better. Choose the one with more power.
    (Do you remember saying that the 190E is soooo slow? Yeah, swap the engine with the most power)

  • @mcnightking2180
    @mcnightking2180 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Is that a w124 that you have sitting till the 24th

  • @toefurrrrr
    @toefurrrrr 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    We need hellcat noises

  • @ion.1228
    @ion.1228 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    the best swap to do on the w201 platform is the m111 engine in grecce is the most comon swap you can have good power with that engine and the 201 is a light car to begine.The m111 is a newer engine with good after market saport and injection not jettronic system the onlie thing that you hane to keep an eye on is the holes on the block for the coolant system

  • @driclith1027
    @driclith1027 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    gotta swap the god tier OM606 diesel in to it

  • @For4Reel
    @For4Reel 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    m111k , better engine and more torque with the compressor!

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Great point!

  • @davelane384
    @davelane384 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bro I'm in washington state and got my hedgehog kit from the same batch as yours. Doing a twin turbo ls in mine. Hopefully will be done summer 2025. Between those 2 I would go with the m104, long run I think it will be a lot more budget friendly

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why do you think it will be more budget friendly? Other comments are saying M111K will be more budget friendly

  • @ChoddedNloaded
    @ChoddedNloaded 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I’m sitting on a 190e 2.6 I wanna boost my m103 then body kit anyways do the m104 its what I want to do eventually, plus you can get forged piston and rods and turbo from TE motor sports . I say sell the c230 for a manual trans for the m104 😂

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I have the manual trans that I bought from Trickfactory to put in it.

  • @adnanlatif9007
    @adnanlatif9007 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Forget both 2JZ nothing else

  • @AlexanderPaterson-f1e
    @AlexanderPaterson-f1e 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i would have loved to see an rb20Det engine as i dont think anyone wuld have done that and that engine is cheaper than other swaps like an rb26, 2jz or ls engines

  • @krispyywombat7382
    @krispyywombat7382 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I vote the four banger, it should weigh a good bit less than the 104.

  • @FreedomSOURCE
    @FreedomSOURCE 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Kompressor is the way to go 😎

  • @1hipcrip771
    @1hipcrip771 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Im guessing it’s a 500 SEL…

  • @gerhardlehner8236
    @gerhardlehner8236 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Considering the enorm rust and the poorly repair of IT i would definetly change the Car and not the motor. Its work to swap the body kit But in future IT will pay of. Unter the vinyl the rust will "explode"and if you repair IT properly its a Mountain of work money and time. If the other car is in better condition swap the kit. I work for 25 years in collision repair and thats my honest opinion. Your blue car in 5 years.....the Metall unter the vinyl and bondo will be gone,and if the other car is in better condition its not that amount of work.Good luck!

  • @jacekczogalla8641
    @jacekczogalla8641 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    M111 and add a45 amg turbo. 360horse power and its not that hard. If you need help hit me up i know sth about this swap

  • @jamesw2591
    @jamesw2591 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Go with M111k

  • @raflozano597
    @raflozano597 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Are you not worried about the rust though?

  • @olikat8
    @olikat8 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I know where there are a ton of old Benzes in a rural yard here in NC...

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Are they yours?

    • @olikat8
      @olikat8 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@magnacars No- it's a yard owned by a local between Pittsboro & Sanford. His one son is a firefighter in my town, Chapel Hill. I do know them, good people

  • @brockwilson5485
    @brockwilson5485 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    M111k with supercharger.

  • @joacimanderzon8083
    @joacimanderzon8083 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    do the m111!

  • @natandirt
    @natandirt 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    will you make a video about the w202 you got given? Love those c classes !

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes I will be!

  • @maxwelljuma1454
    @maxwelljuma1454 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    104...For more power....and torque!!

  • @BoHorror
    @BoHorror 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    C63 swap please 🙏 😊

  • @gamingstol
    @gamingstol 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    maybe a 1jz!!!

  • @eur0mess
    @eur0mess 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    M111k imo.

  • @eligijusnicys1414
    @eligijusnicys1414 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Drive to Kansas engine swap to blue car and drive back to Canada and sell free cars shell

  • @beafraid22
    @beafraid22 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Put the 6 cylinder in the blue car.

  • @Feremenco
    @Feremenco 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    M111K OFC! its way better solution!

  • @yashofficial___
    @yashofficial___ 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do either a C63 V8 engine or maybe do a Honda K Swap Turbo build in it 😍😍 if it could be achieved

    • @teliscovijek
      @teliscovijek 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      V8 engine cant fit and for a k swap the car would turn fwd so bad recomendations

    • @natandirt
      @natandirt 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      what are you yapping bro lmao

    • @yashofficial___
      @yashofficial___ 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@teliscovijek it doesnt need to be FWD theres Porsches with K swaps broo

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@yashofficial___I’m not interested in a V8 190e. I looked into k swap months ago & found someone in California did it, they said it was an absolute pain and had to reengineer so much stuff. The engine is tall so they had to redo the subframe so it wouldn’t stick outside the bonnet. I’d rather keep it Benz

    • @yashofficial___
      @yashofficial___ 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ hmmm fair enough, then go gor the supercharged engine instead should should good and great performance gains?

  • @Richyeffect
    @Richyeffect 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Use the mi11k for your build sell the broken. Motor and empty shell of the Donner car to repupe your costs

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don’t think the m104 is broken, but I haven’t tested it

  • @LakshyaAncharaz
    @LakshyaAncharaz 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    M111k swap it
    It's suitable for a small car like the w201 190E

  • @tizieljefe0348
    @tizieljefe0348 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    use the m104 and turbo it!!!!!!!

  • @autodromoracing
    @autodromoracing 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    2jz swap please

  • @AzulACR
    @AzulACR 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Been wanting to do this as well but no one in the states close to ke (central texas btw 👀 if anyone wants some $) has any knowledge on the 190e platform :/

  • @tuanbakolli7673
    @tuanbakolli7673 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    ive been watching you since you bought the 190e but if i was in your position i would convert it to a disel like an om606 its reliable and its unique because where have you seen a disel 190e evo 2 its my dream car so i will support anything you do and i hope to recreate what you did one day

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I appreciate your support, and your dream car is a pretty rad idea!

  • @fawazsh4831
    @fawazsh4831 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    M111k

  • @BradleySomers-z2c
    @BradleySomers-z2c 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The m111k

  • @arabinnovator6652
    @arabinnovator6652 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    M113k better in my opinion

  • @emmakeuken7436
    @emmakeuken7436 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    M156 swap

  • @YoungMacy
    @YoungMacy 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    KOMPRESSOR

  • @divinepathjannah
    @divinepathjannah 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    collab?

  • @Corn9996
    @Corn9996 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Get jag or aston

    • @XurpleIsDead
      @XurpleIsDead 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Be patient bruh

  • @DIMA-th4rp
    @DIMA-th4rp 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    www.youtube.com/@dutch.190e its not so hard

  • @Mwhbmnabjms
    @Mwhbmnabjms 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lots of mumbling, u know which is easy then dont look back. U just keeps on mumbling the cons over n over..just engine swap! Dont look back

  • @williamchan5573
    @williamchan5573 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just build another car

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Another Evo 2?

  • @KevinUrban-u1z
    @KevinUrban-u1z 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Never Ever Ever Ever engine swap a car. Unless its a worthless honda. This is the quickest way to ruin your cars value. You just lost 90% of your future buyers.

  • @Corn9996
    @Corn9996 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    First

  • @BILTREZSUL
    @BILTREZSUL 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why destroy a running car? You want more rubbish around...I think that is not even a subject to talk about

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It’s salvage title and not in good condition.

  • @mikaelhartmann5111
    @mikaelhartmann5111 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    2JZGTE

  • @michael007ish
    @michael007ish 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    LS swap. 🤪

    • @magnacars
      @magnacars  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I interviewed an LS swapped 190E definitely not lol

    • @michael007ish
      @michael007ish 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ 🤣🤣 no doubt.

  • @NeilMac-s6f
    @NeilMac-s6f 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    2JZ my friend.