*Update on the FIT file export. It CAN be done from the Active app. (woohoo!). Active app -> Results (or previous activity list) -> Open activity -> Top right three dots ... -> Export FIT file. I think I fat fingered the button and it went into rename activity mode.
Personally, I'm a big fan of Bryton GPS units - I have two, a 420 and a 750, and in over 10000km combined riding between the two of them I've had exactly zero issues with either, or with the app. That being said, I'm not a power user (literally, I have no power meter, nor do I have electronic shifting or any other fancy sensors) and I could certainly see based on this video why people who are might want to look elsewhere. However, for the price point I got my 750 at (considerably cheaper than a comparable Garmin here in China) I am not going to complain in the slightest. Everything that I need to work for me works for me perfectly well. If I hadn't recently purchased the 750 I probably would have bought this S500.
Under the hood (FIT file format, sensor support, etc), Garmin set the benchmark very high. It's not a secret though. They could all simply duplicate how well Garmin do FIT file data.
These days the garmin 530 is the best bang for the buck with a little over 200 euro . Bryton always felt cheap , and the ancient app was a big NO for me.
@@mikedio the only thing with Garmin is there altitude meter seems to be way off I know 4 guys we all ride together and not one Garmin product reads the altitude the same for the same ride 🤔
@@darrengarvie8832 i’ve had garmin’s , wahoo’s and even 2 bryton’s . No gps unit is perfect and after loosing a lot of money after reselling every unit i’ve settled with a garmin 530. Besides the screen readability with sunglasses i’m pretty happy with the device. And if it does record +/- meters it’s not a big deal , you can correct with strava or other software.
I've gone from a Bryton 420 to the Garmin 530, and I don't regret it one single bit. Yes the battery life is a bit shorter, but not so short I have to charge it every time I ride. But the rest of the functionality is just another level. And don't get me started about the Bryton "active" app. That's a hot piece of steaming 💩
haha.... I feel you. I own Bryton rider 410 and my experience with their bryton active app is dismal. They can't even get bluetooth sync working correctly most of the time. Recent app updates actually mitigate the issue, but still it doesn't work some of the time. It's an improvement, but after trying for so many years, I just lost hope with Bryton. I stick to using USB to transfer the data when Bluetooth sync fails. It's frustrating to see this basic functionality like this not working properly.
Wow! That was brutal but MUCH APPRECIATED! My coffee almost went through my nose a few times 😂. I was really wondering about this new product and as usual Shane pulls no punches as one of the best consumer advocates out there. Thank you 🙏🏽 sir!
Honest review... fully agree. I have owned Bryton Aero 60 - then I got new bike with cheapest Garmin 130... and it was much better than Bryton. App on phone better, functionality better, Strava segments, notifications, alerts, extra apps. In this moment I offered Bryton for free to my family member - and jumped to Garmin 530. And - so far - not missing Bryton... But - if they would fix what mentioned - it could be a good computer....
Your musings on pricepoint are basically where I was at a few years back; I could grab a Lezyne Mega XL for less than $200AUD, or a Wahoo or Garmin for around $500AUD. I was watching workmates struggle with getting their Garmin units to sync with their phones, and decided to take a punt on the Lezyne. I've been very happy with the battery life, ease of use, and even their customer support - if I was any sort of power user I suspect it might come up short on features, but it's been reliable for me. If this Lezyne packed it in tomorrow, I'm not sure what I'd get to replace it; margins have got to be negligible for the smaller players, and Lezyne haven't released a new model since bought mine, or a firmware update in roughly a year. I still don't have anything more than a couple of bikes and a couple of cadence and speeds sensors, so would I bother spending big on an overkill unit? Or aim for something from one of these smaller fish, at a much lower price point? Hrm.
I talk to my bike computer all the time but not in the way Bryton has imagined with their feature. I'm usually cursing my computer for telling me that my HR is too high and my power is too low when I'm getting dropped. Eh well.
This is another problem with the bryton units . As soon as they make another model the old one is forgotten and they don’t work on the firmware updates anymore or they release updates with the same problems…
I'm glad you touched on the misc sensors! I have an SKS Airspy on one of my bikes, which works perfectly on my Garmin 830. I guess that probably wouldn't work with this thing.
Shane, some of us want inflated power meter numbers. That's what we call a feature. My gut feeling is that Bryton needs to really invest in some knowledgable user testing. Maybe correct a bunch of error message that don't quite read like there's a full understanding of english. I don't think mine came with that extra Garmin mount switch. That's nice. I do think it's impressive how many features Bryton has been able to develop while keeping the price point low. But now with that slight price bump, it puts the s500 up against some serious competition. I'm currently still recommending the Garmin 530 for people I don't know and maybe the Wahoo Bolt if I know a user can get away with it. I've also been wondering when and what Garmin might do next. If a future 540 is still around $300 it might really change the landscape of the market but who knows. 🤷🏻♂️
Fancy doing a fantasy head unit video, putting out the gold standard set of features, so we as Customers can see what we should be looking for on our next head unit and companies can avoid making something quite this shocking
That power recording is hopefully fixable in firmware. All the fuss about getting powers meter to +/- 1% means nothing if the data recording is so off...unless you just want some higher power number averages for Strava. ;)
My Bryton Rider 420 didn't have "sticky" watt/cadence before, but after the firmware where they added e-shifting and trainer support, it also added the "sticky" watt/cadence readings. The most recent firmware added radar support, but the "sticky" watt/cadence is still present... Don't know why Bryton made this change.
So, a Premium WIP. Good to have competition in the market, but this is a year at least away from that. Garmin will have brought out the x40 range with hopefully USB-c and App screen control by then.
I use a 450 and agree with the issues and a shame to see things that are not fixed in future models :-( One positive - I use the 450 on my mtb at night (no navigation needed or power data) and it's cheaper price (i paid less than £100) and long long battery life means it is not so much of an issue if I crash and break it and I can permanently keep the screen backlight on. Something about its old skool screen style I like in this situation. But it in no way compares to my old Garmin 810, especially the Connect app as mentioned. Thanks for the S500 review.
Thanks for the feedback. This scenario is where Bryton could really double down on and target their GPS units. Competing head to head with Garmin, Wahoo, and now Hammerhead at the real 'premium' level is always going to be tough. If they stepped back a little and refocused on the budget or mid-budget level, really nailed all the features (and standards of FIT file format/data), I think they'd be better received.
Interesting I have a old ride 40 it does ok for a back up I use my Garmin 735xt watch to record my rides due to it uploading to Strava via my phone but I have had issues with Garmin not doing what it was ment to do so the bryton saved the day but as you said it takes me to use the computer to down load data that sucks. I do hope that bryton get the firm ware sorted and the s500 should be a contender it also probably will come down in price 😁
I have the Garmin Edge 530 and there's simply no contest...Connect IQ alone makes any Garmin device stand above other GPS computers. If it's not built-in, someone at Connect IQ has made it; barring that, you can add that functionality yourself. I also considered getting a Wahoo, but for the functionality and lack of bundles, any Wahoo is horribly overpriced. "Wahoo is simpler" well then, don't charge the same as the equivalent Garmin device that has WAY more functionality and BUNDLED sensors. I've been using my Edge for two months now...no issues whatsoever, I've tried almost all the features and they work exactly as intended, the mapping functionality works great; with a caveat, as long as you have your courses planned out the Edge 530 mapping will get you there, but if there's a change of plans that's when you hit a wall, that model just doesn't allow mapping on the go as easily. Long story short, if you can afford a Garmin GPS, go for the Garmin, everything else just...doesn't compete.
Nailed it. 100%. ConnectIQ is massively underrated. Following the Bryton product trajectory, how many years would we predict it'd take for them to reach a point where they have an 'app store' and support a developer network? If this isn't in their long term plans then they at least need to get the BASICS sorted. The FIT file sensor IDs/activity type setting/watts issue/etc are things that shouldn't be a problem in 2022. Yet... here we are.
4 or 5 years ago, their products were better I think (I had one) and quite competitive with other makes from that time. But the last units they released seem to be behind now. I moved to Garmin 2 years ago without any regret
im a wahoo fan, great products and better customer service...the hammerhead spiked my interest but not enough to jump ship and Ive been burned by Garmin a few too many times to consider going back without something revolutionary and game changing coming out...this Bryton tool doesn't make my list, perhaps future iterations will be better but there are better options out there
The one thing i seem to like about this unit is no wifi, using Bluetooth instead. I think that's where the K2 drops the ball. If I am about to join a group ride and forget to download the route, I now need to connect my K2 to my hotspot and download. If I could go into say an app and download the route to the app which then will send to the unit. I think that process it just easier and faster in my opinion.
One thing if anything that Bruton us known for is battery life and next to my old cateye GPS computer I'm yet to see any computer that gets such duration on a charge. I like the size of the S500 it's enough for me.
I owned almost all of the Bryton's computer in the past.Back in the day they were much cheaper than other brands but know they are almost the same/I switched to Wahoo because Bryton has basically no support - i contacted them few times no response ,same goes for local distributor.Where Wahoo in my experience is one of the best and the price are very similar. Now im using Wahoo Bolt v2 and it's much better than Bryton 860 or Bryton 750 i had in the past.
I’ve been using a Bryton 420 for 2 years now and for the price I think it’s very good value. A recent firmware update added radar support which is great. Depends on what feature are important to you. For me the display and readability are super important. The 420 display is….pretty good for $200. For the price of this S500 I would have expected an awesome screen.
Sticky watts were problem with Bryton since forever. BTW Wahoo does it too, just hides it better. It does a ramp down for a few seconds instead of flat line, but still, it's not correct 0W which means inflated power and work. It wasn't mentioned or noticed in any bigger review I saw and Wahoo doesn't seem to bother to fix it which sucks a bit. I think they use it to hide potential short sensor drop outs.
@@SuperYobo Is it going straight to 0W or tapers down for few seconds? Because it's been the latter for years. It might be difficult to notice at first.
These always seemed like a toy to me. I could see if they were at a lower price point, but they are priced to compete with Wahoo and Garmin, and, they just don't. not even close
I found the 750 was very close to my Garmin 830 in power recording. The Wahoo Bolt V2 is way down on either. Karoo 2 was a bit variable though relatively close to the Garmin and 750. This S500 seems to be a reverse Wahoo ... hugely inflated. Also, what was going on with the Karoo 2 GPS plot? Is that a recent bug? That's been one of the few things that hasn't been poor (that I was aware of) thus far. Since the SRAM takeover they did issue a patch which seems to have fixed the majority of sensor dropouts, which is auspicious.
Not sure what's up with the Karoo 2 GPS plot. It was similar today against the 1030 Plus, maybe not as wonky as what was in this video though. A little more smoothing would help it I think.
Not at this point. Bryton haven't supplied a unit. I'd have to be convinced to spend my time on another one of their GPS units given the issues I keep finding and reporting back to them.
Nice video as always! Aside from the S500, what are your thoughts on the 750? Does it have the same problems with sticky watts and cadence? Is it a good product overall? I would be tempted of buying one now that you can find it for 200€ (half of the Karoo2 which would be the dream unit for me, but I can't bring myself to spend that much when I don't even buy >200€ smartphones...)
Bryton sent over two 750 units a while ago. I chose not to review it given it had similar issues and was really sluggish with maps/navigation. There's only so many hours in a day to get frustrated with tech and handball shitton of free product feedback, and end up with videos that have low views and poor TH-cam revenue. Unfortunately for Bryton this week was a slow week, and I wanted to cover a few things about the S500 that hadn't been picked up in other reviews.
@@gplama That's too bad, I found a lack of comprehensive reviews of Bryton here on TH-cam and I would have loved to see one in action that wasn't limited to unboxing and a scripted talk... I'm not using a PM at the moment and I don't even have maps on my current GPS, but I'd like to have the option of at least following a pre-set route on a big screen, so I was actively looking to get one since it costs way less than the other options. I saw this video just when I was inches long from buying the 750 and call it a day. I guess I'll have to get back to the start of the decision process, save some more and go for one of the most expensive ones 😅 In the meantime, thank you for taking time to reply to my question! As for videos that would risk low views but would surely amuse me, I'd love to see the inside of your desk drawer filled with what I can only imagine is a load of "under-par" cycling products that will never again see the light of day 😁
Shane I could watch you reviewing a microwave oven . Can’t be any people on the planet who know as much as bike tech as you and serve people so well. Ride On.
Bryton website says the S500 has 24hrs battery life, not 30hrs like every review states. Am I missing something here. Copied from website: " • 24hr Battery Life Equipped with an enormous 24 hours battery, the Rider S500 has the strength and stamina to take on any challenge."
Sine these all seem like software/firmware issues does anyone know if they have been fixed? I am seeing great reviews for this product in Japan, where Garmins are super pricey.
Have a Bryton rider 15, stock standard. Works BUT...dont use the Bryton active App. Rides vanish into the ether. Just use the cable and connect to your Laptop using the fitfile. Would never buy another
@@gplama thanks for the replay! So you prefer the older 830 instead of the newer Bryton? Still not figured out after 2 days of research😄 I dont use Strava live segments. Can you tell me the pro’s and cons? For around €300/400 with sensors which device you should pick? (Touch, climbfunction) or wait for a newer model coming out?
@Shane Miller - GPLama I had the same problem with an old unit where it didnt record the 0s and the power was always high like that, so just thought I would throw it out there
@@gplama I own a 420 and it has an option of Recording "1 sec mode" or "smart record". I checked the manual of S500 and has a similar option under System --> Recording Settings --> Smart Recording
I own a rider 750. It works well but i very much hate the byrton active app. The piece of shit is very sluggish and takes so long to respond i wonder whether im back on a 2010 smart phone. But thankfully, the Rider 750 has Wifi and I don't need to use the Bryton app at all. Anyway, next time im shopping for a bike computer, Garmin all the way.
my question was which protocol is causing the sticky watts, BT or ANT+ or both? and in my original comment i wrote that the gps's track is far from superior (i have WT rider friend who is using it a while), but better than previous Bryton's tracks. I'm waiting for Edge 840 with dual-band and multignss, the Epix2 and F7 Sapphires tracks are very promising/superior with running or walking , so on bike it would be almost perfect (as my Xiaomi MI8 dualband tracks in my jersey backpocket )
@@gplama yeah, the sticky watts are exist in my WT friend's logs also, i checked it now (they are using Shimano pm as i know , but dont know the protocol, but i assume ANT+ has higher priority when the user is pairing it, luckily i never had Brytons :D)
I will never buy another Bryton product. I bought a Bryton Rider 750 which I really like but the battery failed after 4 months. They replaced it but it took over a month. The second one’s battery failed after 7 months and over 2 months later I have given up hope that they are going to replace it. Their customer service is terrible, so I recommend that you stay away from all Bryton products.
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*Update on the FIT file export. It CAN be done from the Active app. (woohoo!). Active app -> Results (or previous activity list) -> Open activity -> Top right three dots ... -> Export FIT file. I think I fat fingered the button and it went into rename activity mode.
So one to be taken of the bad list lol
yeah, i wanted to write this that it is working in Brytons :)
Personally, I'm a big fan of Bryton GPS units - I have two, a 420 and a 750, and in over 10000km combined riding between the two of them I've had exactly zero issues with either, or with the app. That being said, I'm not a power user (literally, I have no power meter, nor do I have electronic shifting or any other fancy sensors) and I could certainly see based on this video why people who are might want to look elsewhere. However, for the price point I got my 750 at (considerably cheaper than a comparable Garmin here in China) I am not going to complain in the slightest. Everything that I need to work for me works for me perfectly well. If I hadn't recently purchased the 750 I probably would have bought this S500.
what do you think of the 420 ? i am planning to buy it
I'm suddenly appreciating my Garmin 530 a lot more.
Under the hood (FIT file format, sensor support, etc), Garmin set the benchmark very high. It's not a secret though. They could all simply duplicate how well Garmin do FIT file data.
These days the garmin 530 is the best bang for the buck with a little over 200 euro .
Bryton always felt cheap , and the ancient app was a big NO for me.
@@mikedio the only thing with Garmin is there altitude meter seems to be way off I know 4 guys we all ride together and not one Garmin product reads the altitude the same for the same ride 🤔
@@darrengarvie8832 i’ve had garmin’s , wahoo’s and even 2 bryton’s . No gps unit is perfect and after loosing a lot of money after reselling every unit i’ve settled with a garmin 530. Besides the screen readability with sunglasses i’m pretty happy with the device. And if it does record +/- meters it’s not a big deal , you can correct with strava or other software.
@@mikedio Strava is another issue too lol
I've gone from a Bryton 420 to the Garmin 530, and I don't regret it one single bit. Yes the battery life is a bit shorter, but not so short I have to charge it every time I ride. But the rest of the functionality is just another level. And don't get me started about the Bryton "active" app. That's a hot piece of steaming 💩
haha.... I feel you. I own Bryton rider 410 and my experience with their bryton active app is dismal. They can't even get bluetooth sync working correctly most of the time. Recent app updates actually mitigate the issue, but still it doesn't work some of the time. It's an improvement, but after trying for so many years, I just lost hope with Bryton. I stick to using USB to transfer the data when Bluetooth sync fails. It's frustrating to see this basic functionality like this not working properly.
Wow! That was brutal but MUCH APPRECIATED! My coffee almost went through my nose a few times 😂. I was really wondering about this new product and as usual Shane pulls no punches as one of the best consumer advocates out there. Thank you 🙏🏽 sir!
Happy with my k2. I know it's flaws, but I love it's strengths.
Honest review... fully agree. I have owned Bryton Aero 60 - then I got new bike with cheapest Garmin 130... and it was much better than Bryton. App on phone better, functionality better, Strava segments, notifications, alerts, extra apps. In this moment I offered Bryton for free to my family member - and jumped to Garmin 530. And - so far - not missing Bryton... But - if they would fix what mentioned - it could be a good computer....
Your musings on pricepoint are basically where I was at a few years back; I could grab a Lezyne Mega XL for less than $200AUD, or a Wahoo or Garmin for around $500AUD. I was watching workmates struggle with getting their Garmin units to sync with their phones, and decided to take a punt on the Lezyne. I've been very happy with the battery life, ease of use, and even their customer support - if I was any sort of power user I suspect it might come up short on features, but it's been reliable for me.
If this Lezyne packed it in tomorrow, I'm not sure what I'd get to replace it; margins have got to be negligible for the smaller players, and Lezyne haven't released a new model since bought mine, or a firmware update in roughly a year. I still don't have anything more than a couple of bikes and a couple of cadence and speeds sensors, so would I bother spending big on an overkill unit? Or aim for something from one of these smaller fish, at a much lower price point? Hrm.
I talk to my bike computer all the time but not in the way Bryton has imagined with their feature. I'm usually cursing my computer for telling me that my HR is too high and my power is too low when I'm getting dropped. Eh well.
Seems fair. I have the Aero 60 which Bryton now appear to have forgotten about. I only really use it to track which it does pretty well
This is another problem with the bryton units . As soon as they make another model the old one is forgotten and they don’t work on the firmware updates anymore or they release updates with the same problems…
I'm glad you touched on the misc sensors! I have an SKS Airspy on one of my bikes, which works perfectly on my Garmin 830. I guess that probably wouldn't work with this thing.
Garmin 500 still punching above its weight!
Shane, some of us want inflated power meter numbers. That's what we call a feature. My gut feeling is that Bryton needs to really invest in some knowledgable user testing. Maybe correct a bunch of error message that don't quite read like there's a full understanding of english. I don't think mine came with that extra Garmin mount switch. That's nice. I do think it's impressive how many features Bryton has been able to develop while keeping the price point low. But now with that slight price bump, it puts the s500 up against some serious competition. I'm currently still recommending the Garmin 530 for people I don't know and maybe the Wahoo Bolt if I know a user can get away with it. I've also been wondering when and what Garmin might do next. If a future 540 is still around $300 it might really change the landscape of the market but who knows. 🤷🏻♂️
I just bought the Bryton 750, really hope they sort out the sticky watt problem!
Fancy doing a fantasy head unit video, putting out the gold standard set of features, so we as Customers can see what we should be looking for on our next head unit and companies can avoid making something quite this shocking
That power recording is hopefully fixable in firmware. All the fuss about getting powers meter to +/- 1% means nothing if the data recording is so off...unless you just want some higher power number averages for Strava. ;)
thanks Shane for the honest review yet again. Just wondering, is there a Climb Pro feature on Wahoo Roam units that you know of?
Nothing like this on Wahoo units. It'd be good to see them do something similar.
I'm so hoping for a 540/840 release this summer. I'll wait for one of those units rather than an S500
I think they'll do 530/830 plus, than 1040 and then 540/840
@@alexanderkoch4830 I think based on previous cycles, they're due for something bigger than just a "plus"
Perfect review
My Bryton Rider 420 didn't have "sticky" watt/cadence before, but after the firmware where they added e-shifting and trainer support, it also added the "sticky" watt/cadence readings. The most recent firmware added radar support, but the "sticky" watt/cadence is still present... Don't know why Bryton made this change.
still problems with sticky watts?
So, a Premium WIP. Good to have competition in the market, but this is a year at least away from that. Garmin will have brought out the x40 range with hopefully USB-c and App screen control by then.
I hope they fix the issue with the sticky data. Also, thanks for this review, will hold on to my current one until they fix these major issues.
Nice background view. Nothing beats my Giant neostrack.
I use a 450 and agree with the issues and a shame to see things that are not fixed in future models :-( One positive - I use the 450 on my mtb at night (no navigation needed or power data) and it's cheaper price (i paid less than £100) and long long battery life means it is not so much of an issue if I crash and break it and I can permanently keep the screen backlight on. Something about its old skool screen style I like in this situation. But it in no way compares to my old Garmin 810, especially the Connect app as mentioned. Thanks for the S500 review.
Thanks for the feedback. This scenario is where Bryton could really double down on and target their GPS units. Competing head to head with Garmin, Wahoo, and now Hammerhead at the real 'premium' level is always going to be tough. If they stepped back a little and refocused on the budget or mid-budget level, really nailed all the features (and standards of FIT file format/data), I think they'd be better received.
Interesting I have a old ride 40 it does ok for a back up I use my Garmin 735xt watch to record my rides due to it uploading to Strava via my phone but I have had issues with Garmin not doing what it was ment to do so the bryton saved the day but as you said it takes me to use the computer to down load data that sucks. I do hope that bryton get the firm ware sorted and the s500 should be a contender it also probably will come down in price 😁
I have the Garmin Edge 530 and there's simply no contest...Connect IQ alone makes any Garmin device stand above other GPS computers. If it's not built-in, someone at Connect IQ has made it; barring that, you can add that functionality yourself. I also considered getting a Wahoo, but for the functionality and lack of bundles, any Wahoo is horribly overpriced. "Wahoo is simpler" well then, don't charge the same as the equivalent Garmin device that has WAY more functionality and BUNDLED sensors.
I've been using my Edge for two months now...no issues whatsoever, I've tried almost all the features and they work exactly as intended, the mapping functionality works great; with a caveat, as long as you have your courses planned out the Edge 530 mapping will get you there, but if there's a change of plans that's when you hit a wall, that model just doesn't allow mapping on the go as easily.
Long story short, if you can afford a Garmin GPS, go for the Garmin, everything else just...doesn't compete.
Nailed it. 100%. ConnectIQ is massively underrated. Following the Bryton product trajectory, how many years would we predict it'd take for them to reach a point where they have an 'app store' and support a developer network? If this isn't in their long term plans then they at least need to get the BASICS sorted. The FIT file sensor IDs/activity type setting/watts issue/etc are things that shouldn't be a problem in 2022. Yet... here we are.
4 or 5 years ago, their products were better I think (I had one) and quite competitive with other makes from that time. But the last units they released seem to be behind now. I moved to Garmin 2 years ago without any regret
im a wahoo fan, great products and better customer service...the hammerhead spiked my interest but not enough to jump ship and Ive been burned by Garmin a few too many times to consider going back without something revolutionary and game changing coming out...this Bryton tool doesn't make my list, perhaps future iterations will be better but there are better options out there
The one thing i seem to like about this unit is no wifi, using Bluetooth instead. I think that's where the K2 drops the ball. If I am about to join a group ride and forget to download the route, I now need to connect my K2 to my hotspot and download. If I could go into say an app and download the route to the app which then will send to the unit. I think that process it just easier and faster in my opinion.
One thing if anything that Bruton us known for is battery life and next to my old cateye GPS computer I'm yet to see any computer that gets such duration on a charge. I like the size of the S500 it's enough for me.
Bryton just seem to keep releasing new products but never deliver the improvement and changes that are asked by many
was thinking of replacing my edge 520 with this cos it battery is now awful but maybe not
Refreshingly harsh but fair
I owned almost all of the Bryton's computer in the past.Back in the day they were much cheaper than other brands but know they are almost the same/I switched to Wahoo because Bryton has basically no support - i contacted them few times no response ,same goes for local distributor.Where Wahoo in my experience is one of the best and the price are very similar. Now im using Wahoo Bolt v2 and it's much better than Bryton 860 or Bryton 750 i had in the past.
I’ve been using a Bryton 420 for 2 years now and for the price I think it’s very good value. A recent firmware update added radar support which is great. Depends on what feature are important to you. For me the display and readability are super important. The 420 display is….pretty good for $200. For the price of this S500 I would have expected an awesome screen.
I don't see myself ever using a touch screen cycling computer again. I had an Edge 830 and any moisture on it made it almost unusable.
Very nice bryton keep it up
nice gadget. It works with radar too right. Is there any review about it
Reviews about what exactly?
Thanks for the short/first review. I've one question... Is there a strava live segment support? I haven't read about it.
Not that I know of.
Sticky watts were problem with Bryton since forever. BTW Wahoo does it too, just hides it better. It does a ramp down for a few seconds instead of flat line, but still, it's not correct 0W which means inflated power and work. It wasn't mentioned or noticed in any bigger review I saw and Wahoo doesn't seem to bother to fix it which sucks a bit. I think they use it to hide potential short sensor drop outs.
Looks fine on the fit.file with my bolt
@@SuperYobo Is it going straight to 0W or tapers down for few seconds? Because it's been the latter for years. It might be difficult to notice at first.
My power cranks with my cateye go to zero on the screen not on my igpsport or neo trainer.
@@michwoz Ad long as the data is correct on the .fit file that's what matters hey. If zeroing = communication issues then it's a pita.
@@michwoz it goes straight to 0w on the fit.file, but on headunit it «lags» for 1-2s if i stop pedaling, but thats fine.
These always seemed like a toy to me. I could see if they were at a lower price point, but they are priced to compete with Wahoo and Garmin, and, they just don't. not even close
I found the 750 was very close to my Garmin 830 in power recording. The Wahoo Bolt V2 is way down on either. Karoo 2 was a bit variable though relatively close to the Garmin and 750. This S500 seems to be a reverse Wahoo ... hugely inflated.
Also, what was going on with the Karoo 2 GPS plot? Is that a recent bug? That's been one of the few things that hasn't been poor (that I was aware of) thus far. Since the SRAM takeover they did issue a patch which seems to have fixed the majority of sensor dropouts, which is auspicious.
Not sure what's up with the Karoo 2 GPS plot. It was similar today against the 1030 Plus, maybe not as wonky as what was in this video though. A little more smoothing would help it I think.
Any chance to do an update with the S800?
@Shane Miller will you make a review of the new S800 ?
Not at this point. Bryton haven't supplied a unit. I'd have to be convinced to spend my time on another one of their GPS units given the issues I keep finding and reporting back to them.
@@gplama thanks
Nice video as always! Aside from the S500, what are your thoughts on the 750? Does it have the same problems with sticky watts and cadence? Is it a good product overall?
I would be tempted of buying one now that you can find it for 200€ (half of the Karoo2 which would be the dream unit for me, but I can't bring myself to spend that much when I don't even buy >200€ smartphones...)
Bryton sent over two 750 units a while ago. I chose not to review it given it had similar issues and was really sluggish with maps/navigation. There's only so many hours in a day to get frustrated with tech and handball shitton of free product feedback, and end up with videos that have low views and poor TH-cam revenue. Unfortunately for Bryton this week was a slow week, and I wanted to cover a few things about the S500 that hadn't been picked up in other reviews.
@@gplama That's too bad, I found a lack of comprehensive reviews of Bryton here on TH-cam and I would have loved to see one in action that wasn't limited to unboxing and a scripted talk... I'm not using a PM at the moment and I don't even have maps on my current GPS, but I'd like to have the option of at least following a pre-set route on a big screen, so I was actively looking to get one since it costs way less than the other options. I saw this video just when I was inches long from buying the 750 and call it a day.
I guess I'll have to get back to the start of the decision process, save some more and go for one of the most expensive ones 😅
In the meantime, thank you for taking time to reply to my question! As for videos that would risk low views but would surely amuse me, I'd love to see the inside of your desk drawer filled with what I can only imagine is a load of "under-par" cycling products that will never again see the light of day 😁
Shane I could watch you reviewing a microwave oven . Can’t be any people on the planet who know as much as bike tech as you and serve people so well. Ride On.
Thanks! When Zwift finally release support for the Kickr Direct Connect I’ll try to include a microwave oven (that kills ANT+ signals).
Please review your microwave, maybe April 1st?
Bryton website says the S500 has 24hrs battery life, not 30hrs like every review states. Am I missing something here. Copied from website: " • 24hr Battery Life
Equipped with an enormous 24 hours battery, the Rider S500 has the strength and stamina to take on any challenge."
I noted that after I made this video. The press kit / spec sheet they sent out was 30hrs. Their website now says 24hrs. Again, all on Bryton.
Sine these all seem like software/firmware issues does anyone know if they have been fixed? I am seeing great reviews for this product in Japan, where Garmins are super pricey.
Have a Bryton rider 15, stock standard. Works BUT...dont use the Bryton active App. Rides vanish into the ether. Just use the cable and connect to your Laptop using the fitfile. Would never buy another
saving battery by bump down the recording resolution?
I bought this a week ago and I found there is no maps and navigation function, its totally dead, is this ok to use in China?
That's a good question for Bryton support.
Garmin edge 830
or the Bryton s500?
Edge
@@gplama thanks for the replay! So you prefer the older 830 instead of the newer Bryton? Still not figured out after 2 days of research😄 I dont use Strava live segments. Can you tell me the pro’s and cons? For around €300/400 with sensors which device you should pick? (Touch, climbfunction) or wait for a newer model coming out?
To properly answer this would take a LONG time :) I find Garmin support of standards and reliability extremely good.
Did you set it to record 0s in power and cadence?
I'm not even sure that's an option on the Bryton units. It was mostly on defaults as I remember.
@Shane Miller - GPLama
I had the same problem with an old unit where it didnt record the 0s and the power was always high like that, so just thought I would throw it out there
@@gplama I own a 420 and it has an option of Recording "1 sec mode" or "smart record". I checked the manual of S500 and has a similar option under System --> Recording Settings --> Smart Recording
@@dimitris.damigos My S500 was set to 1 second mode.
is it compatible with strava live segments?
Not that I’m aware of
@@gplama ok ,thanks 👍
I own a rider 750. It works well but i very much hate the byrton active app. The piece of shit is very sluggish and takes so long to respond i wonder whether im back on a 2010 smart phone. But thankfully, the Rider 750 has Wifi and I don't need to use the Bryton app at all. Anyway, next time im shopping for a bike computer, Garmin all the way.
The 750 GPS sucks. The logging is ok. Next bike cpu will be a Garmin or Wahoo
Why is disappering my comment everytime???? due to the weblink?
I see this one. The filters are strong. Are you posting a link?
my question was which protocol is causing the sticky watts, BT or ANT+ or both? and in my original comment i wrote that the gps's track is far from superior (i have WT rider friend who is using it a while), but better than previous Bryton's tracks. I'm waiting for Edge 840 with dual-band and multignss, the Epix2 and F7 Sapphires tracks are very promising/superior with running or walking , so on bike it would be almost perfect (as my Xiaomi MI8 dualband tracks in my jersey backpocket )
@@gplama my comment is filtering immediately even with "... dot ..." webaddress too :D it's crazy YT feature
ANT+ on the sticky.
@@gplama yeah, the sticky watts are exist in my WT friend's logs also, i checked it now (they are using Shimano pm as i know , but dont know the protocol, but i assume ANT+ has higher priority when the user is pairing it, luckily i never had Brytons :D)
I will never buy another Bryton product. I bought a Bryton Rider 750 which I really like but the battery failed after 4 months. They replaced it but it took over a month. The second one’s battery failed after 7 months and over 2 months later I have given up hope that they are going to replace it. Their customer service is terrible, so I recommend that you stay away from all Bryton products.
TL;DR version:
It's a POS.
Yet another Bryton fail
Sticky watts being a first world problem
That needs to be addressed.
@@gplama Any idea if this has been fixed?