Turkish citizens of Greek origin caught in tension between the two countries • FRANCE 24 English
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- The leaders of Greece and Turkey met Monday for talks aimed at underlining their efforts to put aside decades-old disputes, but they also revealed deep divisions over the Israel-Hamas war. Report by Jenna Le Bras, Adrià Rocha Cutiller and Melvyn Ingleby.
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The Greeks in Istanbul have been in the city before the Turks even entered Anatolia.
They have been there before turks existed
So?
The Greeks have been there centuries before Christianity was invented by the Jewish evangelists.
Η Κωνσταντινούπολη ήταν τόσο ελληνική όσο και η Ιερουσαλήμα.
@cartesian_doubt6230 Just a small correction. Greeks from the town of Megara, just outside Athens (prefecture of Attica), have founded the colony of Byzantium, which much later became Constantinople and then Istanbul, before even Turks defined themselves as Turks...
The Greeks have been there for centuries before even the dinosaurs die out.
Congratulations for making known the pogroms that the Greek community has faced in Constantinople throughout the centuries by the Turkish authorities.
Istanbul* Constantinople fell in 1453
Check Lausanne Treaty. you'll see who did what. Greeks, killed 640 thouseands women, children and old people in Asia Minor invasion.
@@theatrak1272Until the 1921 even the Ottomans call it Constantinople. Read your history boy.
@@georgekoulexactly! Even ottomans called it Konstantiniye = Constantinòpolis!
After the 1922 and the massacres in Minor Asia, the ottoman state wanted to eliminate any Hellenic and Armenian sense one these lands!
Then they translated many city names into turkic ones…
Ankyra became Ankara
Adrianopolis became Edirne
Kaisareia became Kayseri
Trapezounta became Trabzon… etc
They literally preserved our names!😂🤡
As long as people are stuck in the past, these kind of documentaries will always have a coverage to milk it.
The French and the British are responsible for what happened in the Greek population of Anatolia in 1922, so this video can be perceived as an irony...
Not only in Anatolia but around the world, especially in the Middle East. Western terrorists created borders, so the tensions will last for centuries
Unfortunately you are true.
The Greeks are the most hated people after all. Turks wanr to wipe Greeks out, and so do the Europeans. No one ever supported Greece but only the disappearance of Greece. I don't know what we've done to them...
Only the Armenians. the Serbs and the Romanians like us on this earth. It is funny really.
I believe that «Eleftherios Venizelos» (former P. Minister of Greece) played also a very dark-role during the Hellenic expedition in Asia Minor
@@Ca_s21 that is a fact however he was a favorite of a select few of the elite. Those who lost everything from both sides of the exchange curse him to this very day. One must not forget that those people who came from the East were very successful wealthy individuals who were thrown onto lands that were worthless. They however had the will and the desire to work what little the had and prospered. There are many well known brands of goods founded by these hard working individuals. In the outskirts of the city Chania on the northwestern part of Crete is the final resting place for Venzelos, I guess that the puppet of the elite was not welcome in the cemeteries of Athens that house some of the greater politicians…..
Kudos to this fine man for keeping the paper going
Lefteria stis sklavomenes patrides.
For accuracy, the term 'Greek origin' can be misunderstood - E.g. this community consists largely of people whose roots are native to the city for centuries - e.g. they do not originate from modern Greece - they are not migrants etc). They are perhaps what you would call ethnic Greeks, Turkish citizens.
Also the video suggests Istanbul Greeks were affected by the exchange of populations - that was not the reason of their decline.
The Greeks of Istanbul were initially excluded from the Greek-Turkish population exchange of 1923 and were allowed to remain in their native city.
What led to the decline was events such as the "wealth" tax of 1942 and later the pogrom of September 1955.
The claim is false. You have no idea what you're talking about.
They are Romans/Romaioi/
Rum and not ethnic Greeks. They also never defined themselves as ethnic Greeks.
There was a population exchange between Muslims and Christians. ..Sèveres/Lausanne
...and not between ethnic groups. The Jews were excluded from it. This was also the reason why some Young Turks had to leave Greece, although they wanted to stay as Dömne.
Τι κοινό έχουν μεταξύ τους Αθήνα και Ιεροσόλυμα;
Quid academiae et ecclesiae?
Quid haereticis et christianis?
Τι κοινό έχουν μεταξύ τους τα ομηρικά έπη και η μετάφραση των Εβδομήκοντα;
Τι κοινό έχουν μεταξύ τους o Αδαμάντιος Κοραής, ο Ρήγας, Χριστόδουλος Παμπλέκης και ο Ἀθανάσιος Πάριος, ο Γρηγόριoς o Ε;
Τι κοινό έχουν μεταξύ τους ο Αδριανός και ο Ναζωραίος;
Ρουμελιώτες - ειδωλολάτρες που πιστεύουν εναν Ιουδαίο που δεν ήξερε λέξη Ελληνικά.
@@Hadrianus_Olympius Yeah...no....you don't know what you are talking about. ALL Greeks "define themselves" as Romans "Romaioi". In modern Greek Romios is just another word for Greek.
You missed the point, completely.
@@Atreas40000 Maccabeus. For Greeks, the term Romaioi/Romioi is an insult. We Greeks still decide who is Greek.
@@Hadrianus_Olympius I am Greek and what Atreas said is correct. One of the greek ethnonyms till this day, for all Greeks (not only the ones from Constantinople) is Romios. It derives from the byzantine period when Greeks with Roman citizenship/byzantines took under their control the Roman state. Hellenas, Romios and Graikos are all Greek ethnonyms and all mean "Greek" in the greek language. Everything you wrote until now is inaccurate and the only Greeks that I have seen writing this kind of things are some neo-pagans.
I saw a documentary a few years ago made by Turkish people and the main line I remember from it, is this, Quote "the Greeks in Istanbul are both present and absent" End Quote. What they meant by present is the sheer amount of beautiful historical buildings the Greek community commissioned and built in Istanbul, from hundreds of years ago right up to the 1950s and especially the amazing turn of the century buildings in Fener, Beyoglu, along the Bosporus, Kuzguncuk and on the Princes Islands, and this is what largely gives Istanbul its attractive character and is admired by locals and tourists alike today, so their 'presence' is widely evident if you know the history and who's behind the construction of many of Istanbul's beautiful old buildings. Yet of course today they are absent because the community has been decimated. The industrious people, the 'lifeblood' of the City, who created these beautiful buildings were persecuted by pogroms, riotous attacks on them collectively. They were hounded by Turkish nationalists and forced to leave. Small consilation is that, although few people are left from this ancient community, the 'caretaker community' that does remain, with their foundations, has inherited and possess a vast amount of community-owned buildings, which are located in prime areas and sites and they amass to a great amount in real estate value, in the billions apparently.
As a Turk I deeply hope that this tide would turn. We should all regret what had happened in 1940s and 50s.
Mavi vatan and Cyprus happen today.
and the 70s. Do not forget the sins of your government.
@@PaleBlueDott 70s on both sides my friend. There are massacres on Turkish civilians too.
@@user-it6jy6xr6s I hope all of these can be resolved within the diplomacy not the military. That is in benefit of all of us.
@@wollkann we all do.
As a Greek, I thank you for the video. The truth is that Greece had and still has a brilliant and an extremely painful history, at the same time. Maybe one of the most painful for its citizens, in the world.
At least, we thank god that amongst the "big powers" there is France, who was the best of all them, in the way she treated Greece. Thank you France for that video. France is the only intellectual, philellinic, peaceful big power towards Greece. 🇬🇷💙🇫🇷
Constantinople ☦️
Istanbul.
@@Kaan_Gokturk no
sweet dreams. never wake up. 'cause the realities make you cry
But in greece, we have 150.000 greek muslims which they like to refer to themselves as turkish citizens living peacefully in greece, and yet turkey like what you said in your documentary lived over 350.000 greeks and now there are approximately 1500 greeks living in what was once their country, all gone and forced out....why?
You may need to do a story about that TH-cam.Why were the original inhabitants chased out of their homeland.
Yes they live because they never betrayed to greece they fought with greece in ww2 there were 3k martyred turkish soldier .... but in every chance greek of İstanbul betrayed to ottoman turkey this is the difference if westren thracen muslim betrayed to greece their end would be like chameria albanians ...
no one push them to go, maybe they dont feel relax with millions of Arap refugees? maybe they want to married each other and cant do that here because their population not enough? and to be with other Greek people of course they want to go and as a Turk believe me I want to go somewhere too until Erdoğan and his party and refugees go..
@@B13.B13 Turkey government used religion taxes to eliminate the Greeks that wanted to stay and most were forced to leave...... Turkey was and still is an extremely racist country BUT as a tourist you will not get that experience - only if you try to make your life as an immigrant you will see that truth .
@@B13.B13 They were forced out.Did you see what happened in Istanbul in 1956?Ethnic cleansing.That Greek community should have been in the millions now,instead down to 1,300 and daily Erdogan changes those old wonderful Byzantine churches to mosques.
@@johnnywires943 we are not in 1956 everything changed move on, dont live in past because no one can change past.
Those few hundred who escaped extermination from Turks
@@BritRajColonybharat Turks were much more "protective " and "kind " than you are talking like that
Ignorance made flesh
@@serdarvonphototours4uit's FACT , the Turks were disgusting
they are turks
@@giorgismaximos8662 no they weren't.
Due to fear, all family members of my grandmother were gradually forced to leave their houses in Istanbul and Prigipos island, just because they had Greek origins..
Εastern Roman Empire..Not Byzantine..... Greeks unfortunately wiped out by Turkish policies.. On the contrary Muslim minority in Greece thrives...
There wasn't ever a policy to force them out of the country. They mostly decided to leave by themselves due to economic reasons. Turks who are the natives of this land have nowhere to go. Unlike Romans.
@@aytacdenizacar7703 Τhey were expelled, crushed economically and pogromed...I guess they dont teach you that... but fortunately there are historical documents..
@@aytacdenizacar7703 Romans?
Never in history has it been called the Eastern Roman Empire. They never accepted that they were the eastern part of another empire but the One and Only Empire.Therefore I prefer to call it Byzantine.
@@Dimitris83 Τhey never called themselves Byzantines.. They were Romioi.. The one and only empire was Roman... their culture and language. was hellenic.... plain and simple. Byzantine was a German scholar's invention...
Let me put in a few words the greco-turkish conflict.
Greeks used to inhabit the Anatolian peninsula. Depending on the era some times were a majority, some not. This has to do with cultural and other issues. However, undisputedly there were Greeks from the coasts of Ionia to Cappadocia for at least three thousand years. Along with Armenians, Assyrians, Persians, Kurds etc. After the fall of Constantinople in 1453, yes we shall have to go back then, Greeks were subjects of the Sultan. Citizens of lower class due to their religion, back then religion was a decisive factor for one's identity.
Then let's make a historical leap of 4 centuries, and after several failed revolutions, in 1821. Greeks started gaining back their lands. For a century they were fighting the Turks, more or less, victoriously. Liberating ancestral lands that after centuries of occupation of a multi-ethnic empire there were also other ethnicities residing in them. The goal was always the liberation of the cradle of modern hellenism: Constantinople. Not the creation of a small state around the Peloponnese.
Then in 1914 Turks, aided by German officers, perceived the idea that nobody would be fighting to liberate lands if these lands were deprived of one's ethnicity. If, for example all Greeks of Anatolia were exterminated, or at least a good percentage of them, then the Greeks of the already independent Greece would have no reason to fight in Anatolia. Hence the ethnic cleansing of Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians that took place systematically and in a premeditated manner. At that point Greeks attempted to create a safe haven for the Greeks residing in Ottoman/Turkish territories around Smyrni. Greeks failed to this attempt and that led to the population exchange of 1923. When more than one million Greeks were exchanged for less than half a million muslims*. Ever since Turkey has not stopped trying to eradicate every other ethnicity within its borders. Borders that constantly they are trying to expand in their former ottoman glory. Either being Kurds in south eastern Anatolia or Greeks in northern Cyprus.
Ever since we experience the attempt of the Turks to bully Greeks back to the status of the raya (literally meaning sheep in turkish, meaning subject/slave of the Sultan). And the Greeks attempting to utter that they want at least a recognition of the ethnic cleansing that they suffered.
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* Why did the treaty of Lausanne (1922) made a differentiation between a national and a religious identity? Because amongst the "muslims" were also converted Greeks (like the Cretan muslims) or other nationals. Greeks were understood as the ones that never changed the criteria of their identity: which is language and religion.
Sadly the Turkish identity is really just a mixture of old and new comers. Turkish people are genetically more diverse than original Turks of Central Asia. They are like white Americans.
Cretan Muslims were Turks though?
Your comment is a bit racially motivated, and missing some points to favor your position as a "victim" by omitting some of the atrocities that other communities inside anatolian penunsula did to turks. but its understandable to feel this way when you are through constant education from one side.
@adamfarmer7665 when a rapist complains about the headache that the screams of the victim cause...
Relativisation of everything is the first step to nihilism.
Modern Turkey has been built on the blood of the indigenous people of her nowadays lands.
@@youknowme1475No, ethnically Greek and speak Greek,
"Turkey "is armenian ,greek and Kurdish land☝️
Hahaha Ağlamaya devam edin😉
@@OTTOMAN-kp2er 🦃🤣
True actually
Actually that is true
Not anymore.
What has happened to the Greeks of Constantinople is a million times worse than the fate of Gaza , but such is History.
Funny
It’s the exact opposite in Greece, many of the young people today are leaving the country for other countries where there is an opportunity to make a successful living. Greece was forced to bow down to Germanys austerity programs which first cut education ( they want dumb subservient Greeks ) and then forced Greece to triple the taxes to equal that of Germany while cutting Greek wages in half. This continues to this day resulting in people loosing the homes and properties that have been in families for generations. Most profitable Hotel chains do not pay their workers fair wages nor do they not pay their share into the employees health and retirement funds. If any employee speaks up about this issue they are blacklisted and will not find any work in the hotel industry. There are many jobs that do not pay overtime to their employees which violates EU rules.
So I speak for them.
btw, in regards to education, I'm not sure if they intended to make us dumb by cutting education, but if that was their goal, they certainly succeeded. The Greek youth is uneducated on most subjects. Greek education is subpar to modern standards. Greeks are performing poorly in international science competitions.
Τι άσχετες παπαριές γράφεις;Το είσαι τουρκικό τρολ;
You’re way off topic bro.
@@greeceundiscovered9670 the topic boiled down to the younger generation wanting to stay in Turkey, in Greece however the younger generation wants to leave for other countries where there are opportunities to make a good life for oneself. I have lived here for over 17 years and have witnessed the hardships that the young generations face here. It was nothing like this when I was stationed here in the mid 80’s. Life was good for all then. The socialist plans of Andreas Papandreaou and the rampant nepotism of his party wound up draining the coffers of the Greek economy.
@@Subgunman blaming for what has happened to Greece the wrong people the US liberal globalists are at fault not what is only happening to Greece but all of Europe. Europe is collapsing
New Caledonia must be free from French imperialism. France should must respect international law, New Caledonians have self determination right.
They said no to independence three times in a row in referendum where most people from France couldn't vote, so just stfu
@@darkshinigami9438 that's why they are "revolting". Ok , 👌
@@blgram they had opportunities three times to speak their mind, three times they said no
independence granted, they will fall into the " chisese/russiancolonialism . and after few years, will all flock to France crying and begging for asylum, work and residency in France.
There was a pogrom in the 1950s. Then then invasion in Cyprus, etc etc. So it is not just 100 years ago. It keeps happening. Just in different more obscure ways. Not just in Turkey, but also Albania, Ukrraine and other places where the Greek diaspora used to be strong and influential. Yet nobody talks about "anti-hellenism". ;)
''big powers'' love anti-Hellenism
Konstantinopolis the capital of Greece
No
My grate grandparents where part of this community, until they were chased down by the then government and flew in Greece
Once all of Turkey were a part of The Grecopersian Empire/The Median - Achaemenid Empire!
Mina, wishing you every success with the help of God and Jesus.. 🇬🇷🙏🏽🇬🇷..
I like patriarch Bartholomew as a catholic
Better get informed he is no saint
Next make a video about what they've done to innocent Turkish people.
Are they still arguing about the Islands?
Turkey still claims Greek sea territory, yes.
turkey claims all Greece not just the islands
@@stelios5314 Turkish*
@@CYRAQUESSS Explain yourself more, because I bet you dont have any arguments to support whatever you think.
@@CYRAQUESSS Turkish territories are in Central Asia
Oh the french!!! Tensions can never get higher than in your own land.
And also some Greeks of Turkish origin I can tell that we have here in Greece...
French and English drove Greek population from Turkey and from Constintanopole! Say the truth!
These lands will become greek speaking. And orthodox christian again according to certain prophecies
İn your dream
Are you the Messiah ...or should we keep looking for someone else?
Unfortunately it is becoming arabic speaking city😂
paparia
Daydreams are harmful on your mental health.
The population of Greeks and Christians overall has shrunk dramatically due to pogroms and killings. Yet, the Muslim population flourishes in Greece. We don't wish ill our Muslim citizens, but if the double standards persist. Expect a boiling point. Many cryptoChristians are afraid to publicly be seen as Christians. This sets Turkey centuries back.
Christianity forever
Κληρικοί στρατιώτες..... άσπονδοι εχθροι των Γραικών...φίλο πιστό των Oθωμανών
Pride comes before the fall
Hellens must come back to Konstatinoupoli and make it properous and lively again.
Greeks can’t make Greece prosperous you believe they will make Istanbul prosperous that is a laugh. Turkey is an economic powerhouse in the area
Ataturk dismantled the caliphate but did not dismantle the orthodox patriarchate
The Ortodox patriarchate was not governing the country.
0:10 It's not the so called "Byzantines"... It is the Romans. That is how the 4th century Greeks were defined by the whole world and themselves.
How wäre they cslled ilater ??
@@user-yf9yz5jj9j Hör werde ??
That's true. They called there language roman etc...but clearly it was hellenic not Latin. Descendents of Eastern Roman empire yes. But the world Roman could conjurer up misleading images.
Romioi not romans. Different names
@@user-sf4ps3si7m Τι Ρωμιοί βρε μαλάκα ;; Ρωμαίοι λέγονταν, Romans στα Αγγλικά. Έτσι μας ήξερε όλη η Ευρώπη 500 χρόνια πριν. Αγράμματε
Nothing in this video suggest they're under pressure like the title suggests. It's revolting how cheap french propaganda is
0:59 "Now things have changed" Nothing will ever permanently change in Turkey for the Greeks. The Greeks and their history have always been seen by the Turkish state and the Turkish history as the devil, and by the majority Turkish people, nurtured by their own state, as inferior to them. Now, below this comment there 'll probably be replies claiming these I suggest are untrue, *but history itself will instantly prove these comments wrong, and Im aware of this history.*
You are entering a precarious territory here france24. This is the Balkans . We don't need much to blaze ourselves up. So be wary.
There is no such thing as "Balkans". The "Balkan", Haemus to be more accurate, is a mountain in Bulgaria! "Balkan" is the turkish name for that mountain! The term "Balkan" for Southeastern Europe therefore is false.
@@GorgeousGeorge97 Just a correction , the name Balkan is not a Turkish one, but a Persina one anf the turks borrowed that.
The accurate name is the Heamus Peninsula.
So France24 your next video should be about Breton, Basque, Gaul, Occitan or Corsican people who are native to the Land but how they struggle living in a unitary nation-state like France. Then we can all give our credits for your objectivity!!! By the way what's happening in New Caledonia nowadays? Do local people demand for their independence but France government declare "state of emergency" and stage more supression on them? Is TikTok banned so that people can not disseminate independence thoughts? Western hypocrisy as always!!!
Greeks are not immigrants in Constantinople.
No he should make video about the 350000 Greeks in Constantinople protected by Luccane treaty in and the ethnic cleansing by Turkey in correspondence to the 150000 Turks
free new caledonia
there is no tension between the countries, especially right now
Of course not. Turkey claims half of the Aegean Sea because reasons, has an illegal agreement with Libya, dangerous overflights above the Greek islands, pressure with illegal immigration, conversion of Greek Orthodox monuments to mosques, illegal occupation of EU territory in Cyprus, illegal casus belli against Greece to exercise its rightful claims, threats to invade islands in the Aegean and the list goes on and on. No tensions here people move on.
meanwhile Turkish and Greek survivor teams playing together in Dominic.. :))))
no one care Erdoğan or Miçotakis.
No tention except that Turkey claims Greek sea territory...
@@stelios5314because it doesnt makes sense even for neutral parties
@@el.grantelbart I dont get it
In the news text, tension was mentioned... Where is that tension? Where is it to pit two countries against each other?
Are you doing journalism or are you trying to provoke public opinion for your private purposes? Now time to decide, are you a real journalist or a loyal servant of the imperialist colonial powers?
Tension is there, since Turkey like to act provocative 8 times out of 10. Take the Moni of Chora for example, that Erdogan just converted to mosque from its status as a museum, during the Greek Orthodox Easter. Just a random example of a never ending poking from Turkey.
@@georgetsapekis Mate this is owner's decision ... Let me explain what I mean. If the Greeks want to turn the Acropolis into a tennis court, what right do we (the Turks) have in this? After all, the acropolis is yours, you can do whatever you want.
Last time I checked, Istanbul was ours.. so there is no need to create tension. Mind your own business .. chill m8
@@kaanyagzer8536 First of all, the Christian Orthodox Church of Chora is a Greek construct, wasn't built by Turks to be used as a Mosque. Further more, it does not belong to Greeks or Turks either, simply because, like the Parthenon of Acropolis, is a UNESCO world heritage site and belongs to the world, that's why it was turned to a museum by Kemal, like Ayia Sofia. Lastly, my comment wasn't regarding the legality of the action, rather it's provocative nature, since Erdogan chose a very particular moment in time to act in that manner. You can argue as much as you want, mind you though that all of the above information is not an opinion on the matter, but the facts.
@@georgetsapekisTurks are responsible for the reconstruction and preservation of the churches and synagogues for at least 5 centuries. You can do the math. Do you think hagia sophia would be able to remain until now if Turks didn't intend to preserve it? Especially after at least two big eathquakes being recorded in the area.
Still, don’t change the facts that I stated above. Your comment, however factual, is completely irrelevant.
lmao
Türkiye is a beautiful country ,its people are friendly
Free New Caledonia and while at it give Marseilles to Greeks since it was established by Greeks
You are lier. !!!
There is still a lot of Greeks in Istanbul
About 1300
there millions of turks in greek, only difference is they were a cross
@@supermavro6072😂 zemra dardan ancient 😂
The Istanbul pogrom...were a series of state-sponsored anti-Greek mob attacks
Free cyprus🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
Those are Romans!(byzantines) not Greeks!
this is not true. Byzantines were greek. The eastern roman empire was a greek empire.
@@rodolphodecastrorodrigues7457 nope, they were Greek speaking Romans! Speaking a language does not determine who you are! Otherwise all Latin America would be Spanish but guess what ? They are not! Eastern Romans were mixed people which combination of Italian,Greek,Anatolian,Balkan,Armenian etc
@@e.v3832 you are wrong. Go study history. They were hellenes. Anatolians werer anatolian peoples mixed with greeks (hellenism). They spoke greek, were greek orthodox and self identify to the greek nation.
@@rodolphodecastrorodrigues7457 I know that Anatolia Hellenized but at best you can say Greco Anatolian not just Greeks!
@@rodolphodecastrorodrigues7457 Eastern Roman Empire was the Roman empire. The Hellenized Roman Empire. But still the Roman empire.
You mean Orthodox turk/ orthodox SIavs caught in tension ?
Slavs in Anatolia? No such thing these Greeks have been living in Anatolia thousands of years when Slavs and Turks from central Asia didn't exist
Many Turks are starting to admit that they are greek by origin because east turkey was all greek at some time
Greeks predates the Slavs by centuries, you don't know what you're talking about
@@darkshinigami9438 greeks dated sIavs for centuries that why they are mixed with them. Ancient Greeks are IIIyrians
@@supermavro6072 no they’re not Illyrian 🤣🤣
Where are the Turks in Mora and Rhodes?They massacred 120 thousand turkish folk Make this news
That is true, but in the case of Tripolitza your forget to mention that it was a retaliation to the prior massacres of Greeks in Smyrna, Aidinion and the murder of Patriarch Gregorios in Constantinople. Do you have any idea how many Greek refugees from minor asia participated in those massacres you re talking about?
@@ChillakoC92rubbish it was. There was no massacre of Greeks in Smyrna. There were Greek fighters bought by the British to cause damage in every way possible to kill Turks and Muslims in every way possible. But when Turks begin to arm themselves with whatever they can and fight back, Greeks and their zionist European allies lie and call it a massacre against Greeks. Why would they when living together peacefully for hundreds of years suddenly want to kill Greeks? It is a huge lie and Greeks love the victimisation. The real enemy is the British firm and their zionist controllers. The British took istanbul for 2 Years until Turks fought and regained control. Thats all it was really about, they used Greeks against the Turks when they have themselves always wanted it the current British firm are the descendants of the pagan Roman Empire. Wake up for Gods sake.
Your schools which are totally controlled by state or dictatorships, teach you national myths and never told you that before the Tripolitsa massacre, which really occurred and greeks admitted from the beginning as a shameful act, turks had killed tens of thousands of Greeks in Istanbul, Salonica, Smyrna , Chalkidiki, Samothraki, Chios , Psara, Edessa and many other places , all over the empire. If you go to the Patriarch's house in Fener you will see that people enter from a small door and not the main entrance. The reason is that a few days after the revolution the turks lynched the Patriarch and hung him on that door and then ridiculed his body and threw it in the Bosporus ... People (civilians) were skinned alive or impaled according to your "customs" and when finally tripolitsa was taken the greeks, who were infuriated by your barbarities, unfortunately retaliated. The difference is that greeks accepted this only a few years later and condemned it but you still are taught nothing about what you commited for centuries and your schools teach you that the armenian genocide never happened and that a few thousands accidentally died "due to poor logistics" during the deportation (death I say) marches. So think before you present yourselves as innocent and slandered victims... If you can't admit the painful truth at least remain silent ....
@@ChillakoC92 No its not true, Tripolitsa 8000 died,wounded or captured not 120000 but millions of Greeks had died already w tf this tυ rks will cut your head but cry for a scratch in their finger
The kebab was removed
Turks kept all the Greek buildings and churches and have taken good care of them after the Greeks left Turkey because of population exchange but sadly Greeks buldozered all the buildings left from Ottoman Empire. You won’t see any trace of Turks in Athens although the Turks have lived there for 500 years. It is a pity. Greeks are actually nice people but their politicians agitate the people of these two neighboring nations.. We hope for better relationships in the future. Two very beautiful countries..
The reason for that was simple - the Ottomans took no pride in building and the Greeks aim was to rid the illegal invasion and occupied era of the Turk
Not that your statement is true but in both cases Greeks are native to the land they are living in… both Istanbul and Greece of course. The stuff created by Greeks long precedes even the idea of a Turkish nation itself ... Also for Turks the most important things they created are in Thessaloniki , not Athens and I actually recently had a tour where I went to many Turkish buildings from that era and lots of Turks visited to see these themselves .
We never bulldozed not one mosque in greece, the country is full of them, tourists that come to greece think that their in a muslim country but in turkey Christian churches have been demolished or converted into mosques Αγία Σοφία is a perfect example.
What did Erdogan do to Agia Sofia exactly? And the Turks to the hundreds of thousands of Greeks of Constantinople ?
@@sa.377 use Google . It’s not that difficult . Greece never turned a mosque into a church . Don’t be emotional enough to let him manipulate you to vote him ..
French propaganda again.
Said the Turk....
Athens 🇹🇷
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Uiguria ist also Greek
same things happened to the turks living in greece
The Muslims of Greece doubled and the Greeks of Turkey disappeared. Tell me about a pogrom that Greece did, like the one Turkey did in 1955 to the Greeks in Istanbul.
Really?? Give us an example with international sources.
The Turks in Greece were akin to the British in North America - I.e. COLONISERS and some were forcibly Turkified. However, the Greeks in what became Turkey were indigenous to the land. There is a difference.
The Greeks in Greece rose up against the oppressor. In Turkey, the Turks committed a GENOCIDE against an indigenous population.
How are there turks allowed in Greece? You talk about a minority of 150.000? There should not be even 1
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