So where are we now in that we have a card already authenticated by upper deck yet we need to get 3rd party verification on a card that was already verified? Is there not a limit to all this madness? We are getting to the point that we need a verifier to verify what has already been verified. If no company can actually be trusted then what's the point of any of this? Please clarify the verify. :)
exactly its why getting it graded is a scam tbh you need a accredited person /business and even then no one will ever be 100% but jfc the grading companies we have now are abysmal
It’s a mess. It’s why I’m sending it to JSA tbh. They have the best database and seem to be the most respected. The CGC partnership is a bonus cause it can then get slabbed and save me some money (for comics it’s cheaper atm to go through JSA/CGC then just JSA)
@@DanTheCardMan2 one of the youtubers Sports Card Madness would agree with you about JSA's database. SCM just released an episode talking about PSA vs. JSA. They've had Nat Turner on in the past and they've told him their displeasure about autographs they have sent in that were rejected by PSA, although they've taken photos and even vids at the events they were at where players signed them as proof. You gotta check out their story in this recent episode cause its crazy how PSA is charging so much for this stuff. I guess this is what happens when Steve Grad left PSA for Beckett several years ago. PSA's service in autograph authentication took a turn for the worst. Glad to see that JSA is still around.
I'm back to the hobby after so many years and i'm surprised by the importance grading has now, PSA, PGS, CGC, SGS and all the others. And i always have this doubt about the grading autheticity. How can you be 100% sure about a card when now you have fake louis vuiton, fake rolex with complicated mechanism and manufactured that even specialists have a hard time to recognize. How can you be 100% sure of the authenticity of a simple card made of cardboard and plastic ??? When you think about it it's the easiest think to reproduce and fake for scammers
I think all autos are fake, authorized licensed autograph by proxy. I had hand writing as punishment and remember writing 10k word essays where half way through the page you make a mistake and have to start over because we had to do it by hand. A 10k essay turns into 40k words. It hurts. You can't do it all at once, and that's the point of giving a 10k word essay. Lol Now think of all the autos in USA products and add in China lmao. An auto is only real when done in person. They aren't risking injuries from handwriting an athlete needs wrists
@Dan The Card Man ...just found a couple autos on ebay with Ian Holm in The Hobbit Battle of the Five Armies card set put out by Cryptozoic. They've done The Walking Dead sets on the past before Topps took over the franchise. The two Ian Holms autographs appear to be on-card. Same style signature found from Alien Anthology.
Thanks mate, the battle of five armies auto is identical. Looks like it released around the same time. Hoping to get a response from them and see if they have any photos
This absolutely sucks for you mate. But as you mentioned he was quite old when he passed and people's signatures can change...but there are alot of people who think its fake...im sure you ll keep us posted...those fishing cards are awesome 👌 from 1938 in great condition 👏
Best wishes , hope it gets the tick at JSA The majority of my collection will be going to my mini figurines. I really hope when it comes time for them to sell , I don’t have any / many “fakes” in my possession.😢
I got that same exact Ian Holm auto @8:12 in raw condition from the Alien Anthology series that year. In that same set, I also have other autos of Bill Paxton/Mark Rolston (dual auto), Lance Hendrickson, Tom Skerrit, and the big one with Sigourney Weaver/Carrie Henn (dual auto). Gonna have to look through Blowout Forums later on once I get home tonight.
I have some autographed items I need to get authenticated, was going to send to PSA since JSA damaged my items the last time I used them. I think I'll go with Beckett.
Not to post too much, but sorry about your dual auto. Yeah that’s BS! The collector is supposed to trust UDA did all the work, and that is why you are paying your hard-earned money for their products!! You shouldn’t have to reauthentic their authenticity! That was a great card, would’ve guessed it cost much more given the actors. I’m a huge Skerritt fan! He’s done everything between Steel magnolias and Top Gun! Uda needs to do better!!
I forgot he was in Top Gun! I was actually surprised once I looked at comps too. I actually think the reason it sells for less is because of the questions around the Holm. I’ve not found a comp for this dual though. Only from the 2017 release that I showed in the blowout thread. I think it’s ugly and this one looks better so should sell for more. Thank you for the kind words! It’s a joke that these companies can let stuff like this happen.
Newish to your videos, but really love your candor and hate seeing you get done like that. A card shop near me (I'm not getting sued) had an Upper Deck auto and when I asked to see it out of the case, they had clearly written over the original auto that had faded. When I said something to the employee, he was furious about it and called out one of the owners privately. Owner put it right back in the display. It sold. 🤥
Wow man, that’s horrible. Unfortunately these kinds of stories aren’t new. What a shame. Hopefully it wasn’t too expensive. Thanks for the kind words. Hopefully JSA say the auto is all good.
Hopefully it ends up being real, when you showed it to me at the card show, you were really rapt about finding the card and buying it..... Fingers crossed for you.
I noticed at the end of your friend’s message that the lesson was he should’ve declared a higher value. The lesson should be not to try to complete this type of set. Next time this happens (if it does) psa can give him the 1000 or less. Bottom line, I wish people would understand that 3rd party authentications are OPINIONS!!! Unless you actually saw someone sign it, or get it from a UDA or Steiner-type company, where they directly deal with athletes, there’s a chance the item is fake. And, I will add, signatures on valuable vintage cards would be a red flag for me. Wasn’t the case here, but clearly swindlers know people are trying to complete sets like this, and it’s inexpensive to buy a card, forge the sig, and try to get it slabbed. It clearly worked in this case
People place far too much reliance on grading and psa set registry. Its a shame but there is hard lessons to be learned and I don’t think we’ve seen it all just yet
@@jbhatts610you mentioned uda.......the autograph he bought was put out by upper deck i.e. uda. The way things are going in the hobby, it's hard to trust an autograph that you dont personally obtain.
I dont think its a good outcome for him at all. PSA does this time and time again. How many millions of dollars have they just outright taken from people. Worlds biggest grifters. Literally cant stand them.
It’s not been confirmed. Everyone who has commented on it from what I can see hasn’t done complete due diligence. Currently waiting on response from UD and Cryptozoic to see if they have any photos or recordings of him signing these
People's autos can change. However at that age, they never get better like that. He probably had a relative sign it and Upper Deck just thought it was him.
Wtf ?!?!?! These Ganja smoking owners of PSA are SHADY !!! PSA is a company that people “ respect “ when they label it authentic it should be GOOD !!!!!
Also Dan, I wouldn't be surprised if the same actor signed both your card and the LOTR cards. As these guys get older their signature changes a lot. Look at a Patrick Stewart auto from 2020 Rittenhouse and look at his auto from 2024 Leaf Pop Century. I thought he didn't sign the most recent ones but it sounds like he did but he has major arthritis so he changed up his auto.
You are a good person Dan, don't like seeing you get burnt. Just shows that even with experience, it is tough in cards with all the lies
Thank you mate.
So where are we now in that we have a card already authenticated by upper deck yet we need to get 3rd party verification on a card that was already verified? Is there not a limit to all this madness? We are getting to the point that we need a verifier to verify what has already been verified. If no company can actually be trusted then what's the point of any of this? Please clarify the verify. :)
exactly its why getting it graded is a scam tbh you need a accredited person /business and even then no one will ever be 100% but jfc the grading companies we have now are abysmal
It’s a mess. It’s why I’m sending it to JSA tbh. They have the best database and seem to be the most respected. The CGC partnership is a bonus cause it can then get slabbed and save me some money (for comics it’s cheaper atm to go through JSA/CGC then just JSA)
It’s a shame, we see this with sports cards too. We need to see these card companies do more to ensure the autographs are genuine.
@@DanTheCardMan2 one of the youtubers Sports Card Madness would agree with you about JSA's database. SCM just released an episode talking about PSA vs. JSA. They've had Nat Turner on in the past and they've told him their displeasure about autographs they have sent in that were rejected by PSA, although they've taken photos and even vids at the events they were at where players signed them as proof. You gotta check out their story in this recent episode cause its crazy how PSA is charging so much for this stuff. I guess this is what happens when Steve Grad left PSA for Beckett several years ago. PSA's service in autograph authentication took a turn for the worst. Glad to see that JSA is still around.
I'm back to the hobby after so many years and i'm surprised by the importance grading has now, PSA, PGS, CGC, SGS and all the others. And i always have this doubt about the grading autheticity. How can you be 100% sure about a card when now you have fake louis vuiton, fake rolex with complicated mechanism and manufactured that even specialists have a hard time to recognize. How can you be 100% sure of the authenticity of a simple card made of cardboard and plastic ??? When you think about it it's the easiest think to reproduce and fake for scammers
Completely agree. Unfortunately common sense seems to have gone out the window in recent years
This is why i stick with low end cards... i hate getting stuck... and i saw the psa money back deal.
Unfortunately it happens 😢
Corporation policy gaps exist to allow wiggle room to always side with corporate, never the consumer.
I think all autos are fake, authorized licensed autograph by proxy. I had hand writing as punishment and remember writing 10k word essays where half way through the page you make a mistake and have to start over because we had to do it by hand. A 10k essay turns into 40k words. It hurts. You can't do it all at once, and that's the point of giving a 10k word essay. Lol Now think of all the autos in USA products and add in China lmao. An auto is only real when done in person. They aren't risking injuries from handwriting an athlete needs wrists
@Dan The Card Man ...just found a couple autos on ebay with Ian Holm in The Hobbit Battle of the Five Armies card set put out by Cryptozoic. They've done The Walking Dead sets on the past before Topps took over the franchise. The two Ian Holms autographs appear to be on-card. Same style signature found from Alien Anthology.
Thanks mate, the battle of five armies auto is identical. Looks like it released around the same time. Hoping to get a response from them and see if they have any photos
This absolutely sucks for you mate. But as you mentioned he was quite old when he passed and people's signatures can change...but there are alot of people who think its fake...im sure you ll keep us posted...those fishing cards are awesome 👌 from 1938 in great condition 👏
Who knows, Maybe these tobaccos cards are fake too 😅
I think the HOLM looks pretty legit...what concerns me is the I in IAN...
Best wishes , hope it gets the tick at JSA
The majority of my collection will be going to my mini figurines. I really hope when it comes time for them to sell , I don’t have any / many “fakes” in my possession.😢
Thanks mate, unfortunately we’ve all probably got fakes in our PCs bound to happen, especially these days
I got that same exact Ian Holm auto @8:12 in raw condition from the Alien Anthology series that year. In that same set, I also have other autos of Bill Paxton/Mark Rolston (dual auto), Lance Hendrickson, Tom Skerrit, and the big one with Sigourney Weaver/Carrie Henn (dual auto). Gonna have to look through Blowout Forums later on once I get home tonight.
Let’s chat on IG mate.
The henn and weaver is what I want next!
I have some autographed items I need to get authenticated, was going to send to PSA since JSA damaged my items the last time I used them. I think I'll go with Beckett.
Oh damn sorry to hear that.
I’ll send them to jsa/CGC next month when it opens
And the hits keep on coming for PSA.
It's one scandal after another scandal after another
Not to post too much, but sorry about your dual auto. Yeah that’s BS! The collector is supposed to trust UDA did all the work, and that is why you are paying your hard-earned money for their products!! You shouldn’t have to reauthentic their authenticity! That was a great card, would’ve guessed it cost much more given the actors. I’m a huge Skerritt fan! He’s done everything between Steel magnolias and Top Gun! Uda needs to do better!!
I forgot he was in Top Gun! I was actually surprised once I looked at comps too. I actually think the reason it sells for less is because of the questions around the Holm.
I’ve not found a comp for this dual though. Only from the 2017 release that I showed in the blowout thread. I think it’s ugly and this one looks better so should sell for more.
Thank you for the kind words! It’s a joke that these companies can let stuff like this happen.
Love the tobacco cards. Are they Australia or US tobacco company?
Australian/UK produced. Should’ve mentioned that, my bad
Newish to your videos, but really love your candor and hate seeing you get done like that. A card shop near me (I'm not getting sued) had an Upper Deck auto and when I asked to see it out of the case, they had clearly written over the original auto that had faded. When I said something to the employee, he was furious about it and called out one of the owners privately. Owner put it right back in the display. It sold. 🤥
Wow man, that’s horrible. Unfortunately these kinds of stories aren’t new. What a shame. Hopefully it wasn’t too expensive.
Thanks for the kind words. Hopefully JSA say the auto is all good.
Hope it's real. It's a very cool card. I know it's wishful thinking, but maybe he just slowed down his auto as time went on.
It’s possible. He had Parkinsons unfortunately so not out of realm of possibility
Hopefully it ends up being real, when you showed it to me at the card show, you were really rapt about finding the card and buying it..... Fingers crossed for you.
I was so amped! I rarely spend like that on a card these days so making all that effort to bite the bullet only to have questions raised sucks!
If not jsa, acoa is a great authentication service.. maybe better than jsa
I’ll check it out as well. Want to make sure I do all the due diligence
I noticed at the end of your friend’s message that the lesson was he should’ve declared a higher value. The lesson should be not to try to complete this type of set. Next time this happens (if it does) psa can give him the 1000 or less. Bottom line, I wish people would understand that 3rd party authentications are OPINIONS!!! Unless you actually saw someone sign it, or get it from a UDA or Steiner-type company, where they directly deal with athletes, there’s a chance the item is fake. And, I will add, signatures on valuable vintage cards would be a red flag for me. Wasn’t the case here, but clearly swindlers know people are trying to complete sets like this, and it’s inexpensive to buy a card, forge the sig, and try to get it slabbed. It clearly worked in this case
People place far too much reliance on grading and psa set registry. Its a shame but there is hard lessons to be learned and I don’t think we’ve seen it all just yet
@@DanTheCardMan2you’re right I’m afraid- think the dust is settling and we’re seeing a lot of cards get through the cracks of authenticity
@@jbhatts610you mentioned uda.......the autograph he bought was put out by upper deck i.e. uda. The way things are going in the hobby, it's hard to trust an autograph that you dont personally obtain.
Very neat fish cards.
Good luck on the UD autograph, looks very suspect.
I hope it’s real but I’m very very doubtful
I dont think its a good outcome for him at all. PSA does this time and time again. How many millions of dollars have they just outright taken from people. Worlds biggest grifters. Literally cant stand them.
It’s good in the sense that he wasn’t entitled to anything so at least he got something
That Holm auto has been noted as fake for a while now.
It’s not been confirmed. Everyone who has commented on it from what I can see hasn’t done complete due diligence. Currently waiting on response from UD and Cryptozoic to see if they have any photos or recordings of him signing these
People's autos can change. However at that age, they never get better like that. He probably had a relative sign it and Upper Deck just thought it was him.
Yep that’s a good point. I’m really hoping jsa have some examples that proves it’s genuine
Ian Holm; Just one more hobby scammer
@@barfyman-dm6zx that’s Sir Ian Holm thank you very much 😅
@@DanTheCardMan2 I'm American. We don't do that monkey business over here😁
I like the fish cards
Wtf ?!?!?! These Ganja smoking owners of PSA are SHADY !!! PSA is a company that people “ respect “ when they label it authentic it should be GOOD !!!!!
Honestly, it’s why I’m sending it to JSA and not them. I dont trust PSA/DNA at the moment
Thanks! Here’s maybe 3% towards that fake auto- thanks for the entertaining and informative content
Thank you my friend. You didn’t need to do that but I really appreciate it
those fish cards are very cool!
They are! Can’t wait to get them framed
Dan the Dad Man, you coming to the states for the national? Pint on me if you are!
Also Dan, I wouldn't be surprised if the same actor signed both your card and the LOTR cards. As these guys get older their signature changes a lot. Look at a Patrick Stewart auto from 2020 Rittenhouse and look at his auto from 2024 Leaf Pop Century. I thought he didn't sign the most recent ones but it sounds like he did but he has major arthritis so he changed up his auto.
I wish man! Too expensive atm and the newborn is keeping me busy. Aiming to be at the next one though
I’m hoping JSA have some exemplars from his last few years that prove these are genuine
Plus he had Parkinson no ? That would definitely effect it
Correct, he also signed like this for the cryptozoic battle of five armies set so hoping they have some photos
@DanTheCardMan2 keep us updated I have alot of alien autos ... ugh
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