The AOE developers are so interesting for continuing to develop not just one of their games, but multiple games of the same series at the same time to where it feels like they are all getting love.
Pretty sure this is only possible because none of these devs are actually anywhere close to being the “OG devs”. It’s a whole new studio. Ensemble Studios bit the dust long before even AoE 2 HD was a thing.
Imagine if Blizzard hadnt sold their soul to activision... maybe we could have had Starcraft 1/2 / Warcraft 2/3 expansions for years now... but nooooooooo those two franchises are dead dead dead
@@I_enjoy_some_things Yeah, they're not really "still getting" content. They're getting it again. There's a good decade gap in there for both of them between the end of their initial life cycle patches- and expansions-wise, and the rereleases that have been getting new stuff.
AoM would be fantastic to bring back. It had by far the best arcade mode, as the addition of unit abilities and god powers could be creatively used to make a lot of different custom games.
@@zachrowe6271 AoM isn't like AoE 3 or 4, both of which were controversial with the AoE 2 playerbase. Most of the AoE 2 playerbase seems to have fond memories of AoM, so I wouldn't be surprised if a large chunk of them take to playing both games. If that happens then, combined with its existing playerbase, it could very well perform evenly with AoE 2.
@@zachrowe6271 It depends on how good Aom Retold will be. If it's done really good it can be as sucessful as AoE2. There are a lot of people that prefer Aom over Aoe2, especially because of the iconic campaign and variation in Gameplay. The biggest downside of Aom currently is that the graphics didn't age that well. With a remade Game this problem should be gone. So never say never.
In terms of AOE2 DLC I would love re-skins. Something like making unique and distinct architecture and unit skins for each region that could be toggled on or off. That way Aztec villagers wouldn't look like European peasants but if you're worried about read-ability it wouldn't be a huge deal
Yeah, there are many units that feels weird in some civs, regional skins would be a must buy for me. Also, being optional skins there would be no gameplay issues.
Currently the problem indeed is modding. All this can be done using a single mod. Though the same can be said about campaigns, they could theoretically all be made in the editor. They just need to find a way to encrypt the mod files just like they have with campaign (basically scenario) files to stop people from ripping the mod from the DLC and uploading them as user-mod free of charge
i wouldnt be suprosed if most think this way. lets face it. getting good in yet another online game is just not rewarding after so many times.. and we are getting old 😂
@robinspanier7017 I play rts to chill, not to sweat, or at least, not to sweat against sweaty people (I rather have a challenging single player map) So this dlc sounds really good for me
Absolutely. There's already lots of campaigns though, many of which I haven't played - even more if you count RoR. They'd better not make it expensive if they want me to buy it!
I think it would be cool if for the rework on the chineses camping they had it somehow work with the other campings. Like the battle of the titans has left after socks that are the reason why so much is happening in china and we find out that Chrones had another back up plan to have him pop out in china so we have to get our god to kick his ass back into hell.... taurtes i mean. I think that would be a cool reason to include the chinese into the overall campaings.@@Morrneyo
I'd love to see more campaigns for AoE2, especially since that's what I enjoy playing most of all. Hopefully this can hold us over until new civs can be added into the game.
Wow! A campaign-only DLC! Wonderful news for someone like me who couldn't care less about multiplayers and ranking. Just pure single-player challenges where you can pop or drop at any time.
I'm still genuinely excited that Age of Mythology is getting love again :D Funny that the *Forgotten* 'Age of' game is being brought back to the present by *Forgotten* Studios!
I hope for a celt and Byzantine campaign as well; Celt because the tutorial missions did not really feel like a campaign; Byzantines because I am biased - I like the Civilization and there would be so many opportunities like the campaign of Basil the Bulgar Slayer. I could also imagine a campaign where we play as the Romans in one mission, then as Byzantine.
Rather than Romans - Byzantines campaign I would prefer a Balkan focused DLC. I have written a long comment about this somewhere but I would love a trilogy of Byzantines - Serbian Empire - Early Ottoman campaigns with Serbs as the new civ.
as much as i would love byzantine content, we already have Bari (meaning we likely wont see another), and Romans would be difficult as the Romans in AOE2 are starting with Theodosius the First and the western Roman Empire did not have a lot of major campaigns that have not already been covered in some way (alaric and attila campaigns both cover probably the two most interesting parts left in the western Roman empire that come together as a cohesive story, the closest i could see to a roman one working would be maybe playing as Stilicho but that would be a stretch and narratively be tonally strange I think given how it was not very "Roma Invicta" more like "Roma hanging on by a thread being played like a puppet by Germanic generals". Loads of user generated content exists for Byzantine and Roman scenarios though so we are not left wanting!
@@g00dbyemisterA well they did other campaigns that were from the "other perspective" of another campaign before such as the longshanks campaign or the burgundian campaign (which was already covered in the Jean of Arc campaign)
the most im hyped for is AoM retold news, after age of kings introduced me in the franchise this was THE GAME that made me love it, definetly deserves a definitive edition in the quality of AoE2
Just a note on AOE3, Mexico and USA both started out as revolutions before becoming a full civ, so a revolutionary version existing doesn't cut off it completely
For AoE 2 -- A Byzantine Campaign set for the Komnenian Restoration would be interesting Allying with the Turks while fighting the Normans in Greece and elsewhere only to then later call for the Pope to ask the Normans to come back to deal with the Turks years later and kick off the 1st Crusade (hek, can even have it narrated by Anna Komnena) For AoE 3 -- The US Civ started as a Revolution only option before being its own thing, same for Mexico Totally possible some of the other Revolution only options become separate Civs For AoM -- Just getting it released and updated without any extras would likely generate a lot of revenue and excitement and I think it might be nearly as popular as AoE 2 in the long run (and meteoric in the short run)
More AoE2 Campaigns and AoM news is good news to me! I'm a big AoM fan and I also did not buy that Chinese DLC years ago. When I was doing research, it just didnt feel worth it. But I greatly look forward to it being revamped because if they get Sun Wukong as a hero unit, I'd die happy. New mythologies I'd look forward to -Babylonian -Aztec -Japanese -Indian -Persian/Zoroastrian
Why Indian ? Go for christian mythology or Islamic mythology Go Indian see counteraction Our faith isn’t dead like these mythos or killed by barbaric monos
@@appu.sruthi The faith doesn't need to be dead. Even if its in small numbers, people actively practice all sorts of old religions. Few of these mythologies are as dead as you think they are. I wanna see it because its interesting. Also AoM makes it so you pick a god every time you age up my guy. Monotheistic religions don't work =/
@@shino4242 They most probably won't touch Hindi mythology due to the potential backlash given that's its still a major religion practiced by a billion people, tho I can't remember the last time a Hindi blew himself up outside somebody's office for perceived """blasphemy""'" or whatever.
I think something in the way the game is coded may be preventing a reskin DLC, I don't see any other reason why we still don't have reskins after so many years despite them being a major revenue source for nearly every other game and probably the most demanded/awaited content outside a fix to pathing 11
@andresperedo1275 Mods change the unit skin for all civilizations as of now. For example, a knight reskin will change the knight for every civilization, in this case its not possible to have regional variations because so far it doesn't seem possible to change unit skins of generic units(like knights militia line, archers etc) only for specific civ or regional civs. The fact that monks and trade carts have separate skins for separate civs but other units don't makes it more likely that its just not possible to do so, especially when a lot of such units are already in the game like Eastern swordsman, nord warrior etc.
For AOE3, I think the next DLC could be a return to Asian civs. So far in definitive edition, the game has added a few European civs (Swedes, Maltese and Italians), as well as one Native American civ (Incas). So I imagine in the upcoming DLC, we could see some new Asian civs, such as Korea, Siam, Tibet or Burma. I for one would love to see the game give us some Southeast Asia representation. So Siam (Thailand) and Burma (Myanmar) would be some pretty cool additions, especially since they will come with their own unique architectural style and cultural flavor just like India.
as a fan of Age 2, 3 and 4, I have A lot of hope for some interesting stuff going into this for Friday; for Age 2, I kinda wanna see a full campaign for Magyars as well as Japanese and Koreans Age 3, I really want a Poland-Lithuania civ (maybe even split up the German civ as well cause it be nice to have the different German states that was still around at the time be in the game), maybe even a few more from Africa, Persia feels like it needs to be released with something that focuses more on the region as a whole. Age 4, now this is a tricky one, the next dlc I kinda want to see the Danes as well as a proper Poland and Hungary civ (as well as a rework to the Order of the Dragon, cause they way they have them now just feels disappointing), as for other variants......it's tricky, cause like, they could do one for the Mongols and have it be the Tartars, but other then that, idk honestly, I just have hopes going into Friday, and I hope for the best, if we both take L's from Friday then we take L's simple as that
@@depressedespresso3928 what be the reason for this? I feel they are just fine, so long as they don't fight either the Ayyubids or the Abbasids, cause Camels are a massive pain
Because atm JD it's literally French but better in every single way, it's just a tiny tiny bit harder to play, but really nothing serious. They NEED to separate the civ from the variant, like every other one@@thievescamp
@@depressedespresso3928 I can see your reasoning, granted I only play JD when I feel like it and just stick to normal French, but I will be honest, when the variants where first announced, I had a very low hype for them, and I still feel like the 4 we got could have been done so much better, I will however add, that while I feel they could have done better, gameplay wise, JD and the French are just fine right now, to me at least
I think Ayuubids and Xhu'Zi Are the best variants, with Xhu'Zi Somewhere near to a full standalone civ. Btw I'm not saying that French and JD aren't fine, but they just can't share literally everything if not for a single unit, that's not a variant, that's a straight upgrade@@thievescamp
Would have liked to have seen a new civ(s) for AoE2. The Sino-sphere is sorely needing of some fleshing out (e.g. Khitans, Jurchens & Tanguts). But if we are getting other adjacent stuff. Perhaps we can finally get aesthetic changes like more varied Monasteries, monks and the correct architecture for Persians.
Would be interesting if they did to Chinese what they've done to Indians. Sadly it's a "political" issue at times as things like an independent Tibet is enough to get games like HoI4 banned....
Can't wait to finally hear more news about Age of Mythology: Retold! The original was one of my favourite games as a child and to this day I'm yet to discover another RTS that manages to inspire the same sense of wonder.
I know its basically impossible, but I really really want a definitive edition of Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds. SotL has covered it before, and its basically an AoE2 total conversion mod, but official. It's a very underrated game imo, and while there's a team of modders who have basically done what Forgotten Empires did with a mod called Expanding Fronts, it still feels trapped in the past.
I’d like ta briefly respond to your offhand statement of AoE3 DE’s Revolution mechanic burning through potential dlc civs. You may not know or remember, but several of our currently-playable civs in the game used to be only accessible via Revolution, and at least one still is - the United States is the most obvious example here, as several of the European civs can Revolt into the United States despite them being a fully-playable Civ in their own right that came in their own dedicated dlc. Basically, I’m trying to make the argument that just because a Civ is accessible via Revolt doesn’t mean it won’t be a fully playable Civ later.
Speaking as Polish myself i once discussed a Polish civ in AoE3 with my friend and we came to this conclusions This could be an early game civ that would sound OP and the start but then advancing to next ages will come with some debuffs to reflect the state of Commonwealth that led to it's downfall which resulted in partitions between 1772 and 1795. For example - Xenophobia - decrease the limit of recrutable mercenaries or trading post units. - Liberum Veto - increases the research time. - Nobility heritage delusions - Your hero cannot build trading post/Increase the cost of cavalry units. - Targowica - advancng to 4th age You loose Your hero. - Partitions - advancing to 5th age causes You to loose Your home city. Revolutions would be themed after the uprisings against Partitioners : - Kosciuszko's Uprising in 1794 - November Uprising in 1830 - January Uprising - 1863
I am really interested about the campaigns. Hopefully they add interesting concepts to them. Way too many campaign missions are like "Here is a base, now destroy x amount of enemies that will attack you periodically", so basically just a regular match against ai. I want more stuff like Agincourt.
I would like to see AOE III get some new campaigns or at least some historical scenarios. They could do one focused on something like the Thirty Years War, Frederick the Great, the Fall of the Ming Dynasty, the Taiping or Boxer Rebellions, The War of the Triple Alliance, Louis XIV. So much stuff, and so much variety for the 15th-19th century setting.
My personal idea for a Maya campaign would be the conquest of Tayasal. It wouldn't have too much historical figures, but the main thing that is worth mention is the fact that they resisted for over 200 years straight the spanish conquest, even years after Tenochtitlan fell to Cortes :D
Aoe 2, Aoe 3, and Aoe 4, could really do with a water 🌊 rework, as water balance is a mess and lacks depth. I think major positive changes would be for Aoe 2 would be • fire ships having trample damage like Siege Elephants and Siege Rams so they remain relevant against mass galleys • galleys being nerfed (they are always going to be useful for attacking land units, so they should not also dominate in military battles) • siege units having a higher attack damage versus ships • transport ships being better, getting an upgrade, ideally so that landings happen, but cannot win the game by themselves so the gameplay is more multi-dimensional • Habours being a universal upgrade (make the Malay have better ones). For Aoe 4: • Add in fish 🐟 farms. They existed in the time period and it would make the payoffs for water not being so front-loaded. Plus, they are fun. For balance I might add: • Available in dark age for 100 wood • Can have their cost reduced to 75 wood with a feudal age upgrade of 50 food and 50 wood • Has an effective gather rate equal to farms • Are affected by mill upgrades • Docks ⚓ can have any ship garrison in them • Docks ⚓ fire arrows which only hit ships when garrisoned • Naval Arrowslits reduced in price to match Arrowslits • New ship available from the dark age, the boarding ship (they existed in the time frame of the game). • It deals melee damage, but loses health over time when un-garrisoned in the water (like irl ship decay) • It cannot attack buildings • It has medium levels of attack and high health and armour • The boarding ship gets unit upgrades all the way to Imperial (hardened, veteran, elite) This type of unit is great for defence, but pretty bad for offence as it will just die if you try and use your water victory for anything • Dock health regeneration now heals units out of combat for double the rate (6 hp/second) and in combat at 3 hp/second • Dock health regeneration has a technology or multiple to make it better at healing allied ships • Docks ⚓ can be fortified with more emplacements. • Dock ⚓ build time reduced to 10 seconds. This makes it much easier to rush up a dock if you lose the water to come back on it. • Military ship repair cost reduced to be equal to repairing siege and civilian ships. The defending player can retreat their ships to land to repair them. • Docks ⚓ gain a few eco techs which help on land as well, representing knowledge gained from the sea • Docks ⚓ can be upgraded in the Imperial Age at the university to be able to fire onto land units • Fishing boat repair speed increased to that of villagers • Fishing boats are able to garrison 1 unit, to make landing more of a possibility, without being too annoying to defend from, as you can just rush villagers at the landing. It also makes them more useful when the fish runs out as you can bypass walls that way and be sneaky. • Transport ships and archer ships merged into one unit with the ability to attack and garrison (like actual military transport ships). Balanced so landings are possible, but unlikely to win the game by themselves. That way the metagame is a lot less snowball-y and more nuanced.
I feel like unique civ skins for just the player would be cool like Koreans had a great skin mod in hd. Maybe let other players disable the skins online but just the player seeing cool buildings and stuff
Age of Empires is one of my favorite franchises of all time, and it's so incredible to see that they just keep cranking out content! When I finally upgrade to a 4K monitor, I'm going to replay the entire franchise!
Campaign-focused =/= campaign-only. It is possible we get a civ or two, similar to how Romans were added with Return of Rome. I don't think it makes sense counting Magyars and Slavs as having a campaign because of Vlad Dracula. Simply because it barely amounts to two scenarios each. That campaign is more of a stand-in to cover more civs, rather than a campaign dedicated to any civ in particular. A fun two-four combo would be Poland-Lithuania and Austria-Hungary, although the latter was simply the Austrian Empire in the AoE3 time period. IIRC, there were some sort of Polish revolution options available in the game files, although it's been a long time since I saw that leak. Also the Danish, if I'm remembering this correctly. So I'll hazard a guess it's Poland-Lithuania and Denmark? Honestly, the one civ that makes sense based on pre-existing assets would be the Moroccans, who exist by that name + Barbary Coast in Historical Battles, so that's another possibility. Hard to imagine Mythology getting a new civ on release. Simply because a single civ in Mythology has a greater variety in gameplay compared to any other Age of game. The closest one to its complexity might be AoE3, when it smacks civs and continent-dependent additions at the same time.
I missed AoM. It didn't hold up in terms of looks, but I liked the units better than in AoE2. You had your human units with their own rock paper scissors, but you also had the myth units that could wreck human units, and the heroes who could bring them down. It was a great little dynamic. I miss playing Norse and being able to build with infantry -- AoE2 Sicillians don't scratch that same itch. Just... I'm not sure even Atlanteans were a great addition since the mythology overlaps with Greek, and the Chinese were iffy in both their storytelling AND their gameplay.
A campaign DLC sounds like great fun. As someone who's pretty exclusively singleplayer, that’s what keeps me coming back, both the official content and all the custom campaigns made by modders also. There are some excellent free campaigns out there.
Honestly, even though Poland is really popular, we just got a Euro expansion but haven't had any more Asian civs in all of AoE3 DE, so I'd put my money on Persia&Korea. Alternatively, a south African civ like Zulus and or maybe turning Berbers into a full civ, replacing the minor civ with the Tuareg. They could also make Brasil a full civ following USA& Mexico. Or it's no civ at all, just more campaigns.
It would be amazing if they do with the Chinese the same thing they did with the Indians, split it into multiple civilizations (Like, the Han, the Tang, or such) and add new campaigns in China, Korea, Japan...
When will minimap be updated to be more "capture age" like? Seems weird to me that it still doesn't include dedicated icons for castles, TCs and that its look has basically never been updated.
about Age of mythology. I am extreamly happy about it coming back since it gives the AOE franchise a new chance of experimenting on alternate primary and secondary econemy systems. If Retold and possibly AOM2 are succesfull we might finaly get an Age of Fantasy or an Age of Future empires.
Aoe2 de lacks a campaign for Slavs and Magyars too, since they have just 2 and 3 missions in total, respectively -> Dracula campaign had Turks in mission 1 as well, and you have 2 battles with Turks too, so it makes no sense to count Turks as having no dedicated campaign, but to count Magyars and Slavs to have it. Furthermore, Celts technically have no proper campaign, too, and so i'd say that the best approach would be: 1) campaign packs for all the civs you mentioned (except for Romans - see point 3) 2) Vlachs civilisation (played in Dracula) + new Salvs and Magyars campaigns 3) Add a Celts/Roman campaign - 4 missions as Romans, 2 as Celts (similar to El Cid) that would properly utilize all the civs
I would love, love, love to see japanese in AoM since they have such a rich and flavorful pantheon of gods and creatures. Gods like amaterasu, tsukuyomi, Izanagi, Izanami to name a few and lots of mythic creatures from folklore like the magic kitsune, the shiranui, the yuki-onna, the freaking serpent-shaped dragons!
As a Korean fan, It would be very nice to have a brand new scenario with Korean, Chinese, and Japanese. And if the scenario is based in the East Asian War, those three civs can tied in one close, dramatic historical narrative! There was East Asian War(Korean called it "임진왜란Imjin War") between Chosun(Korea), Ming(China), and Japan in 1592~1598(yes, a hundred years after Columbus), that Toyotomi Hideyoshi of Japan invaded Korea, and also had a war with China. This war was very decisive moment for east Asian history(aftermath of this war, Ming dynasty changed to Qing), and also our favourite admiral Yi Sun-sin and the Turtle ship also appeared in this war. (Of course, I would like to see another historical scenario! like Japan's 戰國時代Sengoku Jidai, and so on. Hope to see the new DLC with east asian civs!)
I love AoE2, but Age of Mythology has a special place in my heart. If AoM had the playerbase and competitive scene that AoE2 does, I'd be playing/following AoM instead! I doubt Retold will soar to quite those heights; but if it has an AoE3-level of support, I'd be happy! Something about the mythologies just really captures my imagination more than the other Age games.
while AOE 2 may not run into the general meta balancing issue (most common with 3 factions) since past 14 factions with 3 possible playstyles each there is no minmaxing anymore. i belive it is good for them to Take a break of making new civs and figuring out new posible unit mechanics. they have been playing around with them in the last DLCs (gold at attack, Small area of attacks on melee at radius and line, mobile gatheringcamps aso) we are reaching the point where new unit mechanics might force a overall civ rework since only the newer civs get the newer mechanics. Here are my top 5 unit, tech and building additions. 1. Labor elephants that can cut down trees whole for some of the elephant civs. 2. Terraced farms wich you can only build on hills or cliffs but they give more food. 3. Rocket arrows that do more damage to siege from buildings as a university tech. (counter to siegetowers) 4. Wandering Traders to move the trade ratios if they reach a market or that can be killed for Gold. (to introduce a level of RNG to the Economy and prevent snowballing) 5. a Wonder that can be build on Water.
AOM is without a doubt my favourite game of the series. I always loved AOE2 but the mythology aspect and the amazing campaign with the cinematics and the voice lines of AOM are deeply embedded into my childhood memories! Whenever i replay the campaign or just play a round it's still incredibly fun even though the graphics are dated and some of the units or god powers could use an overhaul. It's such a fun concept with massive potential and i trust they will do it justice with all the experience they've gained from the definitive editions and their new tech
My biggest wants for Friday: AoM release date and footage/details (including new civ); AoE3 new DLC; a hint about future AoE4 DLC. (I still buy AoE2 DLCs, mostly to support the devs, but I rarely play AoE2 nowadays.)
An AOE4 pitch meeting: "So you got a DLC for me?" "Yes sir I do!" "Well let's hear it!" "OK sir, you know the Aztecs?" "Oh yeah I love the Aztecs. Very sympathetic with all the blood sacrifices, the jaguar warriors and the enslavement of others" "Well, what if we told the story from the Spanish perspective?" "Didn't we already do that though? Like in AOE 3?" "No sir, that was the Fountain Of Youth. They found Aztecs in the mountains. Not the same thing." "OK then, so we were thinking we do the Spanish conquest and paint them in a very sympathetic light..." "Wouldn't that be super hard considering the whole thing about colonialism and genocide?" "Actually it'd be super easy, barely an inconvenience." "Oh really?" "Yeah yeah yeah. After all, we already did it for the Aztecs in AOE2. So why not make the imperial conquerors from another land be the heroes?" "Well OK then!"
For Age of Mythology: Retold I feel like Celts or Persia would be the best options since both have a wide range of familiar mythological creatures as well as a varied enough human army. Because the myth units are something to consider as well for them on top of how interesting their human soldiers would be. It's why Romans are very unlikely, they have the interesting human army but lack the myth units since it's mostly copied from Greeks. Aztecs would be a very poor choice for that reason too. Historically they already lack ships, siege and cavalry. They don't have enough myth units either. Japan could also work well though I think, they do have plenty of familiar myth units and would make China less isolated.
Aztecs where you gain favor through sacrifice at the temple and to entice it you go into combat to earn more favor per unit before the sacrifice and its scaled according if they are light, heavy or support units. Or even offer some favor for resources traded at the temple too.
@@KhanWolf95 That sounds like a good mechanic. Although them gaining favor through fighting is too similar to the Norse. I think what should happen is. Whenever Aztecs kill enemy units, they have a chance of turning them into "tributes", which is similar to the disciples Chinese monks can sometimes spawn when they kill enemies in AOE3. These "tributes" can be treated like livestock in that when they are brought to the temple, they can be "sacrificed" for some favor. Maybe the same could apply to captured livestock such as goats and cows if "tributes" are not available.
@@KhanWolf95 "Aztecs where you gain favor through sacrifice at the temple " Someone made a mod for the Extended Edition on steam which add the Aztecs civs and they have this mechanic.
I would be happy if the developers would finally increase the population level in Age of Empires 3, like in AoE II to 500. 200 is just a bit too little for me now, especially when you consider what the battles looked like during this time period. I know there are mods for it, but it's not the same. Of course I'm also looking forward to the other information regarding AoE II and AoM:Retold! ^^
I have to agree that Age of Mythology has some phenomenal untapped potential with exciting mythologies from around the world threatening to keep them busy creating more dlc for the rest of their lives. So I am excited to see how they do. That said, the potential to produce a mythic flop is also present.
My wishlist for campaigns would be Brian Boru would be very fun as a Celtic campaign Tokugawa Ieyasu for a Japanese campaign (and follow on from Nobunaga and his historical battle quite nicely) although maybe a bit too recent for AoE2 Harald Hardrade for a Viking campaign (i also think he would make an insane netflix series too, he was everywhere) Sviatoslav for a Slav campaign (would be very fun because there would be a fun mix of being overwhelmed by sheer numbers and cavalry against Pechenegs and then facing staunch fortresses against the Eastern Romans) could potentially continue on to Vladimir the Great if there isnt enough in Sviatoslav alone (although I think there is) Those are realistic for "no proper campaign or no campaign at all" (i dont consider william wallace a proper campaign and slavs, magyars and turks deserve full campaigns tbh) and yes, my wishlist is quite western focused, i know, my knowledge of chinese and korean history from anytime not pre 500CE or post 1700CE is miserable.
In AoE3 land, Poles are kind of a meme at this point. They’re basically the civ everyone is expecting, taking that title from Italy after that civ was added a year and a half ago. It doesn’t help that Poles (and Denmark) seem to have been planned as revolutions to be added last year, but we’re scrapped. Still, based on how the prior dlcs have gone, I don’t think Poles and Persians would come as a package. I would expect if it’s two (or more) civs in one dlc, then it’s probable they’ll be of the same region/archetype. For that reason, my guess is it would be Persians and Koreans. Maybe it’s a stretch to call civs on opposite ends of the largest continent in the same region, but Hausa and Ethiopia were released together. Both Persia and Korea would be popular legacy picks (from AoE2) and could be rendered in the TAD style civ, with Wonders and the Consulate etc. In a way, it’s surprising such a civ wasn’t released at DE’s launch. Central Asia and the Mid East is also one of the few regions left without many maps. Poles might be slated as a stand-alone civ however. Again, based on prior releases, a possible schedule is a solo civ in the spring and a larger duo pack in the fall. Another candidate for a solo civ may be Morocco. There has been some speculation about Canada and/or Brazil, continuing in the Federal New World archetype established by USA and Mexico, but I’d personally be against it. Not that “the timeline” seems to matter much to people, but USA and Mexico were already pushing it for me as being much too recent, and would’ve been content leaving them as revolts. But Canada and Brazil are more recent still! It doesn’t help these new world civs blur the line between a nation/people/culture vs state/government, the former I’d contend is the true heart of an AoE civ since the first game.
I have been thinking about a Dynasties of India style DLC for AoE3, where they divide the Indian civ into Mughal empire and Marathas or something similar (Mysore?) and add the Safavids. So the Indian civ could become either the Mughals or Marathas in the base game and the other option and the Safavids would be included in the DLC.
The AoE4 expansion was great. It's up to 16 civs now, from 8 at launch. The player count since the expansion is the highest it's been since the month the game launched, about 1/2 the AoE2 player count.
Would have to add a 4th Major God for each Civ and do some reshuffling of Minors, but I can see that as a good way to shake things up and add more variety to a already unusually varied game
If they do make some variety missions for the AOE2 DLC, you know what battle I would REALLY want them to include? The Battle on the Ice - it's the battle depicted in the film Alexander Nevsky. It was probably the one thing that the original game didn't have any representation for. They wouldn't even need to introduce any new civs - they have the Slavs to represent the Russian side (The Novgorod Republic) and the Teutons to represent the Teutonic Order. I could understand them not including it in the original game on the grounds that they might not have felt like they had any good civs to represent the Russian side (and it wouldn't make much sense to play as the Teutons), but now? Not so much.
If they go the route of purchasable reskins for in game units, they NEED to give everyone the option to turn off the visibility for all of them. The last thing I want for this game is to have a bunch of strangely skinned units running around that look nothing alike the original. (This is a big reason for why I quit playing Smite)
i really hope the "Campaign focused DLC" for AoE 2 means that we are getting more Co-op Campaigns and Scenarios. I love the campaigns in singleplayer, but co-op is on a whole new level!
9:10 As a kid I was really intrigued when I realized Norse had no archers, which got me thinking: What if we had a no cavalry civ in the game like the Aztecs or Maya And a no infantry civilization like the Mongols or some other Tengrists. Also I'd love to see the Slavs but my bets aren't high
Looking forward to Age of mythology retold! Pretty sure we are going to get release date! I hope for AOE 2 they gives us some more campaigns, COOP campaigns and campaigns ported from AOE 1
the "age of" francise has really BOOMED last years. Its manys RTS game to go for today and offer alot of variety but also a lot of nostalgia! i Think the follower base will only get bigger and more faithful to the developers the more they work on the brand! :)
I am looking forward to the AoM most, but I have always been on the side that the original balance of greeks, norse and Egyptians was the best, and both atlantis and china were mistakes in that respect. Oh well, my main hope is to play through the campaign in that game as it is my favorite single campaign, followed by Age of Empires III's main campaign.
Cant speak for chinese, but the Atlantean Campaign was pretty good, technically letting us 'visit' all the places we have been decades later and reintroduction of old characters (defying the likes of Ajax and Amanra? In Kastors earlier misguided rage, and then proceedimg to ally with them that as cool), and it brought conclusion to the original story!
I really, really, really hope we get Celts in Retold. I'm not exactly optimistic, but I'd love it so much. I think there's a lot of really cool stuff they could pull from those stories.
For what it's worth, I would have no problem with the $10 price point, as long as the DLC doesn't just feel like it's the same as a new-civ DLC, but just missing the new civs. So for example, if the campaign-only DLC's campaigns were longer, or if there were 4 or 5 campaigns instead of 3, then I wouldn't mind the price
Had no clue they announced this. Love the idea of campaign DLC and hope it succeeds. I want all civs to have a campaign eventually and we're never getting there if only 1 gets added every DLC.
I'm hoping Age of Mythology: Retold makes all of the god powers on cooldowns instead of one-time use with China's having charges. Cooldowns would make them much easier to balance and make them feel more like your patron gods are actually present the whole match instead of just handing you one-off nuclear options and walking away.
Interestingly, I reckon you could have a stab at Orthodox/Catholicism as a counter/tech faction. You’d use saints for the minor deities, who might provide buffs or debuffs against certain myth unit types (for example Patrick vs Snakes/Serpents and related creatures), and for unique units you could do things like St. George’s dragon, the tarrasque, etc. As far as Major Deities go, either picking a branch (say Orthodox vs Catholicism to provide different saints) or Old Testament (Direct Damage) vs New Testament (Buffs/Support). Just a couple of ideas!
For AoE 2 I would love them to announce: Greater focus on community features in game to really make it more social (like clans are literally cosmetic atm, tg lobby's disbanding after every game still???) TG performance overhaul to really make an improvement to late game 10 fps gameplay, I don't know how this has gone under the devs radar for so long tbh. Ofc the general pathing and feel of the game with unit control can use a lot of work. ATM it does not feel good at all to control stuff and when the whole game revolves around using units ... yea it ain't a good look. Extra campaign packs would also be enjoyable for many people
I would really like to see building "rotation" (I know the engine can't allow that), and more building facade (if it can be done to Houses then I guess it can be done to other buildings too). MOBAs like Dota 2 was able to get that sweet spot where a hero can look different enough (a child and gender swap version), but is still recognizable enough even when things get quite chaotic. I trust the devs can make it happen. This thing might not be that practical or mindblowing in PvP, but for those of us who love to play the campaigns, this is something nice. I know I purposfully extend game time just so I can decorate my place lol.
Can they please give us the finished and previously cut Kaesong (Koreans) campaign 😢 As someone who graduated in Koreanstudies and who's fascinated by Korean history, this would mean a lot to me.
The AOE developers are so interesting for continuing to develop not just one of their games, but multiple games of the same series at the same time to where it feels like they are all getting love.
@SinningInHellwhat an unusual comment
Pretty sure this is only possible because none of these devs are actually anywhere close to being the “OG devs”.
It’s a whole new studio. Ensemble Studios bit the dust long before even AoE 2 HD was a thing.
@@L3monsta Yah, it feels like he’s trying way too hard to start an argument over me finding it nice that they haven’t dropped AOE3.
Imagine if Blizzard hadnt sold their soul to activision... maybe we could have had Starcraft 1/2 / Warcraft 2/3 expansions for years now... but nooooooooo those two franchises are dead dead dead
@@I_enjoy_some_things Yeah, they're not really "still getting" content. They're getting it again. There's a good decade gap in there for both of them between the end of their initial life cycle patches- and expansions-wise, and the rereleases that have been getting new stuff.
GIVE US AGE OF MYTHOLOGY RETOOOOOOLD!
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AoE2 and Mythology were both my childhood growing up. I would love to see Mythology come back as strong as AoE2 has!
AoM will never be more popular than AoE2, but it doesn't have to be!
AoM would be fantastic to bring back. It had by far the best arcade mode, as the addition of unit abilities and god powers could be creatively used to make a lot of different custom games.
@@zachrowe6271 AoM isn't like AoE 3 or 4, both of which were controversial with the AoE 2 playerbase. Most of the AoE 2 playerbase seems to have fond memories of AoM, so I wouldn't be surprised if a large chunk of them take to playing both games. If that happens then, combined with its existing playerbase, it could very well perform evenly with AoE 2.
I mean, I remember seeing an announcement trailer for a new AoM a while back, so I hope so!
@@zachrowe6271 It depends on how good Aom Retold will be. If it's done really good it can be as sucessful as AoE2. There are a lot of people that prefer Aom over Aoe2, especially because of the iconic campaign and variation in Gameplay. The biggest downside of Aom currently is that the graphics didn't age that well. With a remade Game this problem should be gone. So never say never.
Harald Hardrada would make for a pretty good Vikings campaign, I don't think we'd be missing any civilization for it either.
Very neat idea, as it follows the general concept of a civ campaign based on a relevant historic figure.
They could even have a mission when he was with the varangian guard for variety
Working on a custom campaign for this right now myself. Only really missing the Anglo-Saxons for the final missions, but Goths are an ok stand-in.
@@shogaal14 Why wouldn't you use the Britons? They're clearly intended to represent the English from what I can tell.
Anglo Saxons had few archers bit did have House Karls
A non-tutorial Celts campaign would be nice too.
Always thought Robert the Bruce made more sense for a campaign but I get this was 4 years after Braveheart came out.
I mean we kinda have that with the Edward Longshanks campaign showing the other side of that story
A Boudica campaign featuring Celts and Romans could be interesting.
In terms of AOE2 DLC I would love re-skins. Something like making unique and distinct architecture and unit skins for each region that could be toggled on or off. That way Aztec villagers wouldn't look like European peasants but if you're worried about read-ability it wouldn't be a huge deal
Korean knights, Mayan arbalester, Japanese trebuchet. Sounds like a character class on rpg games
Yeah, there are many units that feels weird in some civs, regional skins would be a must buy for me. Also, being optional skins there would be no gameplay issues.
Mods
Didn’t this use to be in mods? Doesn’t seem to be any atm
Currently the problem indeed is modding. All this can be done using a single mod. Though the same can be said about campaigns, they could theoretically all be made in the editor. They just need to find a way to encrypt the mod files just like they have with campaign (basically scenario) files to stop people from ripping the mod from the DLC and uploading them as user-mod free of charge
As someone who does not play online
The camping dlc is just what i love
Haha agreed
i wouldnt be suprosed if most think this way.
lets face it. getting good in yet another online game is just not rewarding after so many times.. and we are getting old 😂
@robinspanier7017 I play rts to chill, not to sweat, or at least, not to sweat against sweaty people (I rather have a challenging single player map)
So this dlc sounds really good for me
looking forward to this campaign dlc, dont bother with online that much, so im all for this
Absolutely. There's already lots of campaigns though, many of which I haven't played - even more if you count RoR. They'd better not make it expensive if they want me to buy it!
I'm so excited for AoM, the campaign is the best campaign in any Age game. Would you be covering that when it comes out?
So true, AOM campaign is the best
I think it would be cool if for the rework on the chineses camping they had it somehow work with the other campings. Like the battle of the titans has left after socks that are the reason why so much is happening in china and we find out that Chrones had another back up plan to have him pop out in china so we have to get our god to kick his ass back into hell.... taurtes i mean. I think that would be a cool reason to include the chinese into the overall campaings.@@Morrneyo
GiantGrantGames has and likely will again cover the AoM campaign better than anyone else ever could, even Spirit.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn do they do maths type breakdowns as well?
I can't wait AoM for the campaign! ARKANTOS!
I swear Ajax is the La Hire of AoM. "You may feel less like fighting after I pull off your head!"
Hope they keep the og voices in the campaign.
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I'd love to see more campaigns for AoE2, especially since that's what I enjoy playing most of all. Hopefully this can hold us over until new civs can be added into the game.
I’d love to see more co op campaings. I thought I remembered hearing years ago that they were going to add more
Wow! A campaign-only DLC! Wonderful news for someone like me who couldn't care less about multiplayers and ranking. Just pure single-player challenges where you can pop or drop at any time.
I really hope they do an amazing job with age of mythology retold, it was one of my favorite childhood games.
Same. AoE2 is in a good state and I don't really care about the rest. Just want to know about AoM.
I’m ready to see Flying Purple Hippos and Canadian Laser Bears!
WUV WOO And O CANADA 😌
I'm still genuinely excited that Age of Mythology is getting love again :D
Funny that the *Forgotten* 'Age of' game is being brought back to the present by *Forgotten* Studios!
I hope for a celt and Byzantine campaign as well;
Celt because the tutorial missions did not really feel like a campaign;
Byzantines because I am biased - I like the Civilization and there would be so many opportunities like the campaign of Basil the Bulgar Slayer.
I could also imagine a campaign where we play as the Romans in one mission, then as Byzantine.
A roman/byzantine campaign would be a cool idea
Rather than Romans - Byzantines campaign I would prefer a Balkan focused DLC. I have written a long comment about this somewhere but I would love a trilogy of Byzantines - Serbian Empire - Early Ottoman campaigns with Serbs as the new civ.
as much as i would love byzantine content, we already have Bari (meaning we likely wont see another), and Romans would be difficult as the Romans in AOE2 are starting with Theodosius the First and the western Roman Empire did not have a lot of major campaigns that have not already been covered in some way (alaric and attila campaigns both cover probably the two most interesting parts left in the western Roman empire that come together as a cohesive story, the closest i could see to a roman one working would be maybe playing as Stilicho but that would be a stretch and narratively be tonally strange I think given how it was not very "Roma Invicta" more like "Roma hanging on by a thread being played like a puppet by Germanic generals".
Loads of user generated content exists for Byzantine and Roman scenarios though so we are not left wanting!
Also Agree Celts Campaign in Ireland guessing, unless devs are planning something else with that area maybe?
@@g00dbyemisterA well they did other campaigns that were from the "other perspective" of another campaign before such as the longshanks campaign or the burgundian campaign (which was already covered in the Jean of Arc campaign)
the most im hyped for is AoM retold news, after age of kings introduced me in the franchise this was THE GAME that made me love it, definetly deserves a definitive edition in the quality of AoE2
Excited to finally see AoM retold.
Just a note on AOE3, Mexico and USA both started out as revolutions before becoming a full civ, so a revolutionary version existing doesn't cut off it completely
For AoE 2 --
A Byzantine Campaign set for the Komnenian Restoration would be interesting
Allying with the Turks while fighting the Normans in Greece and elsewhere only to then later call for the Pope to ask the Normans to come back to deal with the Turks years later and kick off the 1st Crusade (hek, can even have it narrated by Anna Komnena)
For AoE 3 --
The US Civ started as a Revolution only option before being its own thing, same for Mexico
Totally possible some of the other Revolution only options become separate Civs
For AoM --
Just getting it released and updated without any extras would likely generate a lot of revenue and excitement and I think it might be nearly as popular as AoE 2 in the long run (and meteoric in the short run)
Vinland saga.
Just by the name of it can be a really good campaign for the vikings instead of just one scenario involving instant death mechanic.
More AoE2 Campaigns and AoM news is good news to me!
I'm a big AoM fan and I also did not buy that Chinese DLC years ago. When I was doing research, it just didnt feel worth it. But I greatly look forward to it being revamped because if they get Sun Wukong as a hero unit, I'd die happy.
New mythologies I'd look forward to
-Babylonian
-Aztec
-Japanese
-Indian
-Persian/Zoroastrian
Why Indian ?
Go for christian mythology or
Islamic mythology
Go Indian see counteraction
Our faith isn’t dead like these mythos or killed by barbaric monos
@@appu.sruthi The faith doesn't need to be dead. Even if its in small numbers, people actively practice all sorts of old religions. Few of these mythologies are as dead as you think they are. I wanna see it because its interesting. Also AoM makes it so you pick a god every time you age up my guy. Monotheistic religions don't work =/
Muslims and Christians would have a fit if you put them in the game I can hear it now "Blasphemy"!!!
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They most probably won't touch Hindi mythology due to the potential backlash given that's its still a major religion practiced by a billion people, tho I can't remember the last time a Hindi blew himself up outside somebody's office for perceived """blasphemy""'" or whatever.
I would pay so much money for a regional unit skin dlc for aoe2
I didn't buy the last DLC, I guess this is the era in which we just don't buy them.
You are not alone
I think something in the way the game is coded may be preventing a reskin DLC, I don't see any other reason why we still don't have reskins after so many years despite them being a major revenue source for nearly every other game and probably the most demanded/awaited content outside a fix to pathing 11
@@LongJohnSilver-es6hj I doubt it, as there are mods that do it. Plus several units have regional skins (monks, ships, trade carts)
@andresperedo1275
Mods change the unit skin for all civilizations as of now. For example, a knight reskin will change the knight for every civilization, in this case its not possible to have regional variations because so far it doesn't seem possible to change unit skins of generic units(like knights militia line, archers etc) only for specific civ or regional civs.
The fact that monks and trade carts have separate skins for separate civs but other units don't makes it more likely that its just not possible to do so, especially when a lot of such units are already in the game like Eastern swordsman, nord warrior etc.
We are truly in the new golden age of AOE :)
For AOE3, I think the next DLC could be a return to Asian civs. So far in definitive edition, the game has added a few European civs (Swedes, Maltese and Italians), as well as one Native American civ (Incas). So I imagine in the upcoming DLC, we could see some new Asian civs, such as Korea, Siam, Tibet or Burma. I for one would love to see the game give us some Southeast Asia representation. So Siam (Thailand) and Burma (Myanmar) would be some pretty cool additions, especially since they will come with their own unique architectural style and cultural flavor just like India.
as a fan of Age 2, 3 and 4, I have A lot of hope for some interesting stuff going into this for Friday;
for Age 2, I kinda wanna see a full campaign for Magyars as well as Japanese and Koreans
Age 3, I really want a Poland-Lithuania civ (maybe even split up the German civ as well cause it be nice to have the different German states that was still around at the time be in the game), maybe even a few more from Africa, Persia feels like it needs to be released with something that focuses more on the region as a whole.
Age 4, now this is a tricky one, the next dlc I kinda want to see the Danes as well as a proper Poland and Hungary civ (as well as a rework to the Order of the Dragon, cause they way they have them now just feels disappointing), as for other variants......it's tricky, cause like, they could do one for the Mongols and have it be the Tartars, but other then that, idk
honestly, I just have hopes going into Friday, and I hope for the best, if we both take L's from Friday then we take L's simple as that
I want AoE4 to get rid of Joan D'arc or rework base French completely
@@depressedespresso3928 what be the reason for this? I feel they are just fine, so long as they don't fight either the Ayyubids or the Abbasids, cause Camels are a massive pain
Because atm JD it's literally French but better in every single way, it's just a tiny tiny bit harder to play, but really nothing serious. They NEED to separate the civ from the variant, like every other one@@thievescamp
@@depressedespresso3928 I can see your reasoning, granted I only play JD when I feel like it and just stick to normal French, but I will be honest, when the variants where first announced, I had a very low hype for them, and I still feel like the 4 we got could have been done so much better, I will however add, that while I feel they could have done better, gameplay wise, JD and the French are just fine right now, to me at least
I think Ayuubids and Xhu'Zi Are the best variants, with Xhu'Zi Somewhere near to a full standalone civ. Btw I'm not saying that French and JD aren't fine, but they just can't share literally everything if not for a single unit, that's not a variant, that's a straight upgrade@@thievescamp
Wild and salacious speculation is my favorite speculation.
Would have liked to have seen a new civ(s) for AoE2. The Sino-sphere is sorely needing of some fleshing out (e.g. Khitans, Jurchens & Tanguts).
But if we are getting other adjacent stuff. Perhaps we can finally get aesthetic changes like more varied Monasteries, monks and the correct architecture for Persians.
Would be interesting if they did to Chinese what they've done to Indians. Sadly it's a "political" issue at times as things like an independent Tibet is enough to get games like HoI4 banned....
Can't wait to finally hear more news about Age of Mythology: Retold! The original was one of my favourite games as a child and to this day I'm yet to discover another RTS that manages to inspire the same sense of wonder.
I know its basically impossible, but I really really want a definitive edition of Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds. SotL has covered it before, and its basically an AoE2 total conversion mod, but official. It's a very underrated game imo, and while there's a team of modders who have basically done what Forgotten Empires did with a mod called Expanding Fronts, it still feels trapped in the past.
I'd be down for that, I played that as much, if not more than, AoE 2 as a kid
I’d like ta briefly respond to your offhand statement of AoE3 DE’s Revolution mechanic burning through potential dlc civs. You may not know or remember, but several of our currently-playable civs in the game used to be only accessible via Revolution, and at least one still is - the United States is the most obvious example here, as several of the European civs can Revolt into the United States despite them being a fully-playable Civ in their own right that came in their own dedicated dlc.
Basically, I’m trying to make the argument that just because a Civ is accessible via Revolt doesn’t mean it won’t be a fully playable Civ later.
Also because Mexico exists.
@@Toonrick12 Yeah I couldn’t remember if Mexico was a Revolution before they were a Civ, so I didn’t include them in my example.
Speaking as Polish myself
i once discussed a Polish civ in AoE3 with my friend and we came to this conclusions
This could be an early game civ that would sound OP and the start but then advancing to next ages will come with some debuffs to reflect the state of Commonwealth that led to it's downfall which resulted in partitions between 1772 and 1795.
For example
- Xenophobia - decrease the limit of recrutable mercenaries or trading post units.
- Liberum Veto - increases the research time.
- Nobility heritage delusions - Your hero cannot build trading post/Increase the cost of cavalry units.
- Targowica - advancng to 4th age You loose Your hero.
- Partitions - advancing to 5th age causes You to loose Your home city.
Revolutions would be themed after the uprisings against Partitioners :
- Kosciuszko's Uprising in 1794
- November Uprising in 1830
- January Uprising - 1863
Boy, I can't wait for AoM Retold.
Yerrvil
Yeahh!!
And yerrvil? Is that your aom username?
@@drifter5875 Yerrvil is a norse voiceline
Samþykkt?
Odin main?
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I am really interested about the campaigns. Hopefully they add interesting concepts to them. Way too many campaign missions are like "Here is a base, now destroy x amount of enemies that will attack you periodically", so basically just a regular match against ai. I want more stuff like Agincourt.
I would like to see AOE III get some new campaigns or at least some historical scenarios. They could do one focused on something like the Thirty Years War, Frederick the Great, the Fall of the Ming Dynasty, the Taiping or Boxer Rebellions, The War of the Triple Alliance, Louis XIV. So much stuff, and so much variety for the 15th-19th century setting.
Manifesting a surprise announcement of Definitive Editions of the two Nintendo DS games. They have dozens of fans. Dozens!
My personal idea for a Maya campaign would be the conquest of Tayasal. It wouldn't have too much historical figures, but the main thing that is worth mention is the fact that they resisted for over 200 years straight the spanish conquest, even years after Tenochtitlan fell to Cortes :D
thanks for keeping us up to date! as a huge fan of aoe i don't usually catch all this news
Aoe 2, Aoe 3, and Aoe 4, could really do with a water 🌊 rework, as water balance is a mess and lacks depth.
I think major positive changes would be for Aoe 2 would be
• fire ships having trample damage like Siege Elephants and Siege Rams so they remain relevant against mass galleys
• galleys being nerfed (they are always going to be useful for attacking land units, so they should not also dominate in military battles)
• siege units having a higher attack damage versus ships
• transport ships being better, getting an upgrade, ideally so that landings happen, but cannot win the game by themselves so the gameplay is more multi-dimensional
• Habours being a universal upgrade (make the Malay have better ones).
For Aoe 4:
• Add in fish 🐟 farms. They existed in the time period and it would make the payoffs for water not being so front-loaded. Plus, they are fun. For balance I might add:
• Available in dark age for 100 wood
• Can have their cost reduced to 75 wood with a feudal age upgrade of 50 food and 50 wood
• Has an effective gather rate equal to farms
• Are affected by mill upgrades
• Docks ⚓ can have any ship garrison in them
• Docks ⚓ fire arrows which only hit ships when garrisoned
• Naval Arrowslits reduced in price to match Arrowslits
• New ship available from the dark age, the boarding ship (they existed in the time frame of the game).
• It deals melee damage, but loses health over time when un-garrisoned in the water (like irl ship decay)
• It cannot attack buildings
• It has medium levels of attack and high health and armour
• The boarding ship gets unit upgrades all the way to Imperial (hardened, veteran, elite)
This type of unit is great for defence, but pretty bad for offence as it will just die if you try and use your water victory for anything
• Dock health regeneration now heals units out of combat for double the rate (6 hp/second) and in combat at 3 hp/second
• Dock health regeneration has a technology or multiple to make it better at healing allied ships
• Docks ⚓ can be fortified with more emplacements.
• Dock ⚓ build time reduced to 10 seconds. This makes it much easier to rush up a dock if you lose the water to come back on it.
• Military ship repair cost reduced to be equal to repairing siege and civilian ships. The defending player can retreat their ships to land to repair them.
• Docks ⚓ gain a few eco techs which help on land as well, representing knowledge gained from the sea
• Docks ⚓ can be upgraded in the Imperial Age at the university to be able to fire onto land units
• Fishing boat repair speed increased to that of villagers
• Fishing boats are able to garrison 1 unit, to make landing more of a possibility, without being too annoying to defend from, as you can just rush villagers at the landing. It also makes them more useful when the fish runs out as you can bypass walls that way and be sneaky.
• Transport ships and archer ships merged into one unit with the ability to attack and garrison (like actual military transport ships). Balanced so landings are possible, but unlikely to win the game by themselves.
That way the metagame is a lot less snowball-y and more nuanced.
damn devs take notes lol
I feel like unique civ skins for just the player would be cool like Koreans had a great skin mod in hd. Maybe let other players disable the skins online but just the player seeing cool buildings and stuff
What if they made it unlockable by completing campaigns
Age of Empires is one of my favorite franchises of all time, and it's so incredible to see that they just keep cranking out content!
When I finally upgrade to a 4K monitor, I'm going to replay the entire franchise!
Campaign-focused =/= campaign-only. It is possible we get a civ or two, similar to how Romans were added with Return of Rome.
I don't think it makes sense counting Magyars and Slavs as having a campaign because of Vlad Dracula. Simply because it barely amounts to two scenarios each. That campaign is more of a stand-in to cover more civs, rather than a campaign dedicated to any civ in particular.
A fun two-four combo would be Poland-Lithuania and Austria-Hungary, although the latter was simply the Austrian Empire in the AoE3 time period. IIRC, there were some sort of Polish revolution options available in the game files, although it's been a long time since I saw that leak. Also the Danish, if I'm remembering this correctly. So I'll hazard a guess it's Poland-Lithuania and Denmark? Honestly, the one civ that makes sense based on pre-existing assets would be the Moroccans, who exist by that name + Barbary Coast in Historical Battles, so that's another possibility.
Hard to imagine Mythology getting a new civ on release. Simply because a single civ in Mythology has a greater variety in gameplay compared to any other Age of game. The closest one to its complexity might be AoE3, when it smacks civs and continent-dependent additions at the same time.
I missed AoM. It didn't hold up in terms of looks, but I liked the units better than in AoE2. You had your human units with their own rock paper scissors, but you also had the myth units that could wreck human units, and the heroes who could bring them down. It was a great little dynamic. I miss playing Norse and being able to build with infantry -- AoE2 Sicillians don't scratch that same itch.
Just... I'm not sure even Atlanteans were a great addition since the mythology overlaps with Greek, and the Chinese were iffy in both their storytelling AND their gameplay.
A campaign DLC sounds like great fun. As someone who's pretty exclusively singleplayer, that’s what keeps me coming back, both the official content and all the custom campaigns made by modders also. There are some excellent free campaigns out there.
Honestly, even though Poland is really popular, we just got a Euro expansion but haven't had any more Asian civs in all of AoE3 DE, so I'd put my money on Persia&Korea. Alternatively, a south African civ like Zulus and or maybe turning Berbers into a full civ, replacing the minor civ with the Tuareg. They could also make Brasil a full civ following USA& Mexico.
Or it's no civ at all, just more campaigns.
It would be amazing if they do with the Chinese the same thing they did with the Indians, split it into multiple civilizations (Like, the Han, the Tang, or such) and add new campaigns in China, Korea, Japan...
I would rather see they first focus on America and Africa, rather than more European or Asian civilizations
When will minimap be updated to be more "capture age" like? Seems weird to me that it still doesn't include dedicated icons for castles, TCs and that its look has basically never been updated.
about Age of mythology. I am extreamly happy about it coming back since it gives the AOE franchise a new chance of experimenting on alternate primary and secondary econemy systems. If Retold and possibly AOM2 are succesfull we might finaly get an Age of Fantasy or an Age of Future empires.
Aoe2 de lacks a campaign for Slavs and Magyars too, since they have just 2 and 3 missions in total, respectively -> Dracula campaign had Turks in mission 1 as well, and you have 2 battles with Turks too, so it makes no sense to count Turks as having no dedicated campaign, but to count Magyars and Slavs to have it.
Furthermore, Celts technically have no proper campaign, too, and so i'd say that the best approach would be:
1) campaign packs for all the civs you mentioned (except for Romans - see point 3)
2) Vlachs civilisation (played in Dracula) + new Salvs and Magyars campaigns
3) Add a Celts/Roman campaign - 4 missions as Romans, 2 as Celts (similar to El Cid)
that would properly utilize all the civs
I'm glad SOTL has such a positive opinion on even just the potential of AOM, the mythical bit was the funniest and most fun bit of the title.
I would love, love, love to see japanese in AoM since they have such a rich and flavorful pantheon of gods and creatures. Gods like amaterasu, tsukuyomi, Izanagi, Izanami to name a few and lots of mythic creatures from folklore like the magic kitsune, the shiranui, the yuki-onna, the freaking serpent-shaped dragons!
As a Korean fan, It would be very nice to have a brand new scenario with Korean, Chinese, and Japanese. And if the scenario is based in the East Asian War, those three civs can tied in one close, dramatic historical narrative!
There was East Asian War(Korean called it "임진왜란Imjin War") between Chosun(Korea), Ming(China), and Japan in 1592~1598(yes, a hundred years after Columbus), that Toyotomi Hideyoshi of Japan invaded Korea, and also had a war with China.
This war was very decisive moment for east Asian history(aftermath of this war, Ming dynasty changed to Qing), and also our favourite admiral Yi Sun-sin and the Turtle ship also appeared in this war.
(Of course, I would like to see another historical scenario! like Japan's 戰國時代Sengoku Jidai, and so on. Hope to see the new DLC with east asian civs!)
I love AoE2, but Age of Mythology has a special place in my heart. If AoM had the playerbase and competitive scene that AoE2 does, I'd be playing/following AoM instead! I doubt Retold will soar to quite those heights; but if it has an AoE3-level of support, I'd be happy! Something about the mythologies just really captures my imagination more than the other Age games.
Over a decade ago, we did have AoE on mobile! There was a complete port of AoE I to Windows Mobile and I'm still waiting for you to review it 😂
while AOE 2 may not run into the general meta balancing issue (most common with 3 factions) since past 14 factions with 3 possible playstyles each there is no minmaxing anymore. i belive it is good for them to Take a break of making new civs and figuring out new posible unit mechanics. they have been playing around with them in the last DLCs (gold at attack, Small area of attacks on melee at radius and line, mobile gatheringcamps aso) we are reaching the point where new unit mechanics might force a overall civ rework since only the newer civs get the newer mechanics. Here are my top 5 unit, tech and building additions. 1. Labor elephants that can cut down trees whole for some of the elephant civs. 2. Terraced farms wich you can only build on hills or cliffs but they give more food. 3. Rocket arrows that do more damage to siege from buildings as a university tech. (counter to siegetowers) 4. Wandering Traders to move the trade ratios if they reach a market or that can be killed for Gold. (to introduce a level of RNG to the Economy and prevent snowballing) 5. a Wonder that can be build on Water.
Making an Asian-focused campaign pack would make most sense, as you are tapping into large markets. And plenty of possible stories...
AOM is without a doubt my favourite game of the series. I always loved AOE2 but the mythology aspect and the amazing campaign with the cinematics and the voice lines of AOM are deeply embedded into my childhood memories! Whenever i replay the campaign or just play a round it's still incredibly fun even though the graphics are dated and some of the units or god powers could use an overhaul.
It's such a fun concept with massive potential and i trust they will do it justice with all the experience they've gained from the definitive editions and their new tech
I want a Baldwin vs Saladin campaign.Where you get to choose one and play through his perspective.
AOM is one of my favs of all time. Updated graphics and some game tweaks would be awesome.
I bought the Tales of the Dragon DLC, and liked it more than quite a few others it seems, but I can see the issue of a lack of focus that others felt.
My biggest wants for Friday: AoM release date and footage/details (including new civ); AoE3 new DLC; a hint about future AoE4 DLC. (I still buy AoE2 DLCs, mostly to support the devs, but I rarely play AoE2 nowadays.)
An AOE4 pitch meeting:
"So you got a DLC for me?"
"Yes sir I do!"
"Well let's hear it!"
"OK sir, you know the Aztecs?"
"Oh yeah I love the Aztecs. Very sympathetic with all the blood sacrifices, the jaguar warriors and the enslavement of others"
"Well, what if we told the story from the Spanish perspective?"
"Didn't we already do that though? Like in AOE 3?"
"No sir, that was the Fountain Of Youth. They found Aztecs in the mountains. Not the same thing."
"OK then, so we were thinking we do the Spanish conquest and paint them in a very sympathetic light..."
"Wouldn't that be super hard considering the whole thing about colonialism and genocide?"
"Actually it'd be super easy, barely an inconvenience."
"Oh really?"
"Yeah yeah yeah. After all, we already did it for the Aztecs in AOE2. So why not make the imperial conquerors from another land be the heroes?"
"Well OK then!"
It's early in 2024, but this a contender for comment of the year. It has historical knowledge, pitch meeting references, and good formatting. 10/10
what a smart video! i'll be back for the recap after fridays news
For Age of Mythology: Retold I feel like Celts or Persia would be the best options since both have a wide range of familiar mythological creatures as well as a varied enough human army.
Because the myth units are something to consider as well for them on top of how interesting their human soldiers would be.
It's why Romans are very unlikely, they have the interesting human army but lack the myth units since it's mostly copied from Greeks.
Aztecs would be a very poor choice for that reason too. Historically they already lack ships, siege and cavalry. They don't have enough myth units either.
Japan could also work well though I think, they do have plenty of familiar myth units and would make China less isolated.
I hope they add something like an Mesoamerican region, new myth units, heroes, stories, etc.
I mean they already have the assets for Aztecs in AOE2 and 3 so it wouldn't be too hard for them to just add them in.
Aztecs where you gain favor through sacrifice at the temple and to entice it you go into combat to earn more favor per unit before the sacrifice and its scaled according if they are light, heavy or support units. Or even offer some favor for resources traded at the temple too.
@@KhanWolf95 That sounds like a good mechanic. Although them gaining favor through fighting is too similar to the Norse. I think what should happen is. Whenever Aztecs kill enemy units, they have a chance of turning them into "tributes", which is similar to the disciples Chinese monks can sometimes spawn when they kill enemies in AOE3. These "tributes" can be treated like livestock in that when they are brought to the temple, they can be "sacrificed" for some favor. Maybe the same could apply to captured livestock such as goats and cows if "tributes" are not available.
@@barbiquearea oh even better yeah tributes and it scales the favor based on the enemy type maybe but no myth units i guess only human.
@@KhanWolf95 "Aztecs where you gain favor through sacrifice at the temple " Someone made a mod for the Extended Edition on steam which add the Aztecs civs and they have this mechanic.
I would be happy if the developers would finally increase the population level in Age of Empires 3, like in AoE II to 500.
200 is just a bit too little for me now, especially when you consider what the battles looked like during this time period.
I know there are mods for it, but it's not the same.
Of course I'm also looking forward to the other information regarding AoE II and AoM:Retold! ^^
glad to see the new DLC for AOE2 will focus on new official campaigns.
A friend of mine really loves AOM, so he's looking forward to the Retold edition being talked about after 1+ years of silence.
I have to agree that Age of Mythology has some phenomenal untapped potential with exciting mythologies from around the world threatening to keep them busy creating more dlc for the rest of their lives. So I am excited to see how they do. That said, the potential to produce a mythic flop is also present.
My wishlist for campaigns would be
Brian Boru would be very fun as a Celtic campaign
Tokugawa Ieyasu for a Japanese campaign (and follow on from Nobunaga and his historical battle quite nicely) although maybe a bit too recent for AoE2
Harald Hardrade for a Viking campaign (i also think he would make an insane netflix series too, he was everywhere)
Sviatoslav for a Slav campaign (would be very fun because there would be a fun mix of being overwhelmed by sheer numbers and cavalry against Pechenegs and then facing staunch fortresses against the Eastern Romans) could potentially continue on to Vladimir the Great if there isnt enough in Sviatoslav alone (although I think there is)
Those are realistic for "no proper campaign or no campaign at all" (i dont consider william wallace a proper campaign and slavs, magyars and turks deserve full campaigns tbh)
and yes, my wishlist is quite western focused, i know, my knowledge of chinese and korean history from anytime not pre 500CE or post 1700CE is miserable.
I can see them adding a new unique units and mechanics to existing civs as part of DLC
In AoE3 land, Poles are kind of a meme at this point. They’re basically the civ everyone is expecting, taking that title from Italy after that civ was added a year and a half ago. It doesn’t help that Poles (and Denmark) seem to have been planned as revolutions to be added last year, but we’re scrapped.
Still, based on how the prior dlcs have gone, I don’t think Poles and Persians would come as a package. I would expect if it’s two (or more) civs in one dlc, then it’s probable they’ll be of the same region/archetype. For that reason, my guess is it would be Persians and Koreans. Maybe it’s a stretch to call civs on opposite ends of the largest continent in the same region, but Hausa and Ethiopia were released together. Both Persia and Korea would be popular legacy picks (from AoE2) and could be rendered in the TAD style civ, with Wonders and the Consulate etc. In a way, it’s surprising such a civ wasn’t released at DE’s launch. Central Asia and the Mid East is also one of the few regions left without many maps.
Poles might be slated as a stand-alone civ however. Again, based on prior releases, a possible schedule is a solo civ in the spring and a larger duo pack in the fall. Another candidate for a solo civ may be Morocco.
There has been some speculation about Canada and/or Brazil, continuing in the Federal New World archetype established by USA and Mexico, but I’d personally be against it. Not that “the timeline” seems to matter much to people, but USA and Mexico were already pushing it for me as being much too recent, and would’ve been content leaving them as revolts. But Canada and Brazil are more recent still! It doesn’t help these new world civs blur the line between a nation/people/culture vs state/government, the former I’d contend is the true heart of an AoE civ since the first game.
I have been thinking about a Dynasties of India style DLC for AoE3, where they divide the Indian civ into Mughal empire and Marathas or something similar (Mysore?) and add the Safavids. So the Indian civ could become either the Mughals or Marathas in the base game and the other option and the Safavids would be included in the DLC.
The AoE4 expansion was great. It's up to 16 civs now, from 8 at launch. The player count since the expansion is the highest it's been since the month the game launched, about 1/2 the AoE2 player count.
I hope for more coop campaigns in the new campaign dlc.
New Gods for AoM would be almost as impactful as new civs. Let's add Hestia, Eris, Demeter, Nyx, and Persephone.
Would have to add a 4th Major God for each Civ and do some reshuffling of Minors, but I can see that as a good way to shake things up and add more variety to a already unusually varied game
If they do make some variety missions for the AOE2 DLC, you know what battle I would REALLY want them to include?
The Battle on the Ice - it's the battle depicted in the film Alexander Nevsky. It was probably the one thing that the original game didn't have any representation for. They wouldn't even need to introduce any new civs - they have the Slavs to represent the Russian side (The Novgorod Republic) and the Teutons to represent the Teutonic Order. I could understand them not including it in the original game on the grounds that they might not have felt like they had any good civs to represent the Russian side (and it wouldn't make much sense to play as the Teutons), but now? Not so much.
If they go the route of purchasable reskins for in game units, they NEED to give everyone the option to turn off the visibility for all of them. The last thing I want for this game is to have a bunch of strangely skinned units running around that look nothing alike the original. (This is a big reason for why I quit playing Smite)
i really hope the "Campaign focused DLC" for AoE 2 means that we are getting more Co-op Campaigns and Scenarios. I love the campaigns in singleplayer, but co-op is on a whole new level!
really looking forward to 3 civ dlc since i love that game the most, and if they reveal much more of Mythology which i think has great potential
9:10 As a kid I was really intrigued when I realized Norse had no archers, which got me thinking:
What if we had a no cavalry civ in the game like the Aztecs or Maya
And a no infantry civilization like the Mongols or some other Tengrists.
Also I'd love to see the Slavs but my bets aren't high
Looking forward to Age of mythology retold! Pretty sure we are going to get release date!
I hope for AOE 2 they gives us some more campaigns, COOP campaigns and campaigns ported from AOE 1
the "age of" francise has really BOOMED last years. Its manys RTS game to go for today and offer alot of variety but also a lot of nostalgia! i Think the follower base will only get bigger and more faithful to the developers the more they work on the brand! :)
I am looking forward to the AoM most, but I have always been on the side that the original balance of greeks, norse and Egyptians was the best, and both atlantis and china were mistakes in that respect. Oh well, my main hope is to play through the campaign in that game as it is my favorite single campaign, followed by Age of Empires III's main campaign.
Cant speak for chinese, but the Atlantean Campaign was pretty good, technically letting us 'visit' all the places we have been decades later and reintroduction of old characters (defying the likes of Ajax and Amanra? In Kastors earlier misguided rage, and then proceedimg to ally with them that as cool), and it brought conclusion to the original story!
I really, really, really hope we get Celts in Retold. I'm not exactly optimistic, but I'd love it so much. I think there's a lot of really cool stuff they could pull from those stories.
Spirit of the quickdRaw
Age of mythology they replace the Chinese who never worked with the Japanese and they also add the Celtic mythos Germanic mythos and Slavic mythos.
Age of Mythology Retold is what I am most looking forward to seeing. Loved the original.
AOE 3 is most likely gonna be Poland-Lithuania and Denmark as their flag were both leaked during a patch not long ago
For what it's worth, I would have no problem with the $10 price point, as long as the DLC doesn't just feel like it's the same as a new-civ DLC, but just missing the new civs. So for example, if the campaign-only DLC's campaigns were longer, or if there were 4 or 5 campaigns instead of 3, then I wouldn't mind the price
Imagine a new AoM campaign where there is an oracle and you get to play as a future civ from AoE either 2, 3 or 4
Had no clue they announced this. Love the idea of campaign DLC and hope it succeeds. I want all civs to have a campaign eventually and we're never getting there if only 1 gets added every DLC.
I'm hoping Age of Mythology: Retold makes all of the god powers on cooldowns instead of one-time use with China's having charges. Cooldowns would make them much easier to balance and make them feel more like your patron gods are actually present the whole match instead of just handing you one-off nuclear options and walking away.
Interestingly, I reckon you could have a stab at Orthodox/Catholicism as a counter/tech faction. You’d use saints for the minor deities, who might provide buffs or debuffs against certain myth unit types (for example Patrick vs Snakes/Serpents and related creatures), and for unique units you could do things like St. George’s dragon, the tarrasque, etc.
As far as Major Deities go, either picking a branch (say Orthodox vs Catholicism to provide different saints) or Old Testament (Direct Damage) vs New Testament (Buffs/Support).
Just a couple of ideas!
For AoE 2 I would love them to announce:
Greater focus on community features in game to really make it more social (like clans are literally cosmetic atm, tg lobby's disbanding after every game still???)
TG performance overhaul to really make an improvement to late game 10 fps gameplay, I don't know how this has gone under the devs radar for so long tbh.
Ofc the general pathing and feel of the game with unit control can use a lot of work. ATM it does not feel good at all to control stuff and when the whole game revolves around using units ... yea it ain't a good look.
Extra campaign packs would also be enjoyable for many people
I am SO EXCITED for AoMythology Retold
I would really like to see building "rotation" (I know the engine can't allow that), and more building facade (if it can be done to Houses then I guess it can be done to other buildings too).
MOBAs like Dota 2 was able to get that sweet spot where a hero can look different enough (a child and gender swap version), but is still recognizable enough even when things get quite chaotic. I trust the devs can make it happen.
This thing might not be that practical or mindblowing in PvP, but for those of us who love to play the campaigns, this is something nice. I know I purposfully extend game time just so I can decorate my place lol.
Either a Hunyadi campaign or a Suleiman campaign for AOE 2 would be amazing(Charlamagne, Belisaurius and Aetius would be cool too)
Can they please give us the finished and previously cut Kaesong (Koreans) campaign 😢
As someone who graduated in Koreanstudies and who's fascinated by Korean history, this would mean a lot to me.
For those wondering, the here shown footage of aoe3 is not from the definitive edition.
I would love the AoM retold campaign to have a coop option.