Why Super Saiyan 2 Is Not Gohan

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  • @SaiyanScholar
    @SaiyanScholar  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

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  • @ivanbluecool
    @ivanbluecool 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +81

    Gohan so angry he ended 8 cell jrs when 7 were there. That's next level crash out.

    • @nostalgianetwork1225
      @nostalgianetwork1225 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Gohan defied physics

    • @Jamal-ub1ko
      @Jamal-ub1ko 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Oh, as I recall the 8th Jr was fighting Mr Satan. His performance was somewhere between the humans and Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo

    • @Igloo-gamer907
      @Igloo-gamer907 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ivanbluecool cell Jr's live on Android 17s Island he tamed them.

    • @ivanbluecool
      @ivanbluecool 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @Igloo-gamer907 added to list of Gohan failures. Not sure why Tori and co hate him so much with all the jobbing he does

    • @Igloo-gamer907
      @Igloo-gamer907 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ivanbluecool beats me I don't know either

  • @rami4816
    @rami4816 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    Vegeta is that retired cop that continues to go to the gun range to keep his skills sharp even though he doesnt work upholding the law, you know, in case someone breaks in the house or something … that is basically what he was saying to Gohan at the start of the Buu saga

  • @edwardubiles1738
    @edwardubiles1738 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Is it possible that Videl, being a fighter, aided Pan in wanting to fight, which made Gohan want to fight as he then can relate further with his Family?

  • @guardiantree8879
    @guardiantree8879 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    It’s not just that Gohan likes peace, but that he wants to protect those he loves or the innocent. That’s why he fights. My man is a straight up hero. He’s Robin & Piccolo is Batman.

  • @YourLovelyGuy9442
    @YourLovelyGuy9442 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Ssj2 kid gohan is basically like ssj goku in namek arc, hes gohan but enraged and not himself like namek ssj goku

    • @Yvxha
      @Yvxha 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Mmm just a bit different. Gohan (whether its ssj2 ultimate or beast) becomes sadistic whenever hes stronger than his opponent. Its not a trait he shares with Goku whos just unintentionally disrespectful and humbling

  • @everythingissogreen6748
    @everythingissogreen6748 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Chi Chi was a big influence in Gohan's life. I think she hated the thought of her kid or any of her loved ones in danger, being hurt and seeing horrible things.

  • @jagr06
    @jagr06 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    problem is you can't protect anyone unless you train and fight, therefor Gohan is just a oxymoron of a character. His human feelings makes him weak and it's only when he gets humiliated by Buu does Piccolo starts telling him what he needs to hear and not what he wants to hear.

  • @yeetmeister3055
    @yeetmeister3055 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    This is particularly why I liked tfs's depiction of Gohan going ssj2. Yes he's stronger, yes he's curb stomping cell, yes he's far superior than Goku in terms of strength right now, but he makes it explicitly clear he hates fighting, he hates the beating of his heart in his ear, and the vibrations he feels every time he makes a strike and that the literal only reason he's going this far now is because he just hates cell more than he hates fighting, which is NOT AT ALL HEALTHY. They also show how unhealthy it is with Gohan's comments while ssj2, he's running with hatred right now and isn't thinking rationally, only wanting to humiliate Cell as much as he can before killing him which bites him in the ass.
    Dbz's depiction felt more like a coming of age transformation, like he's about to turn over a new leaf towards fighting rather than depicting the fact that despite his potential he himself has no real grand goal or incentive to actually train, it's not him. What good is doing all that if you're not going to enjoy. The only real problem with the original dragon ball manga is that they made these topics implied, and it seems like a majority of this flew over people's heads and didn't realize that forcing Gohan to continue fighting/training would be a complete contrast to who he is.

  • @LaughnCry27
    @LaughnCry27 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    “Power comes in response to a need, not a desire. You have to create that need.” - Goku

  • @buildaggedonarmanaziie4462
    @buildaggedonarmanaziie4462 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    *THAT* IS WHAT I have been saying about Gohan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    (I am a Gohan fan myself, and although I like Gohan being the strong, cool character that he is at times, I am ok with him staying with his family and if that makes him weaker, then so be it. I'm fine with that because that really feels like it fits with his character. Gohan is just way too human. Gohan was born on earth and raised in human customs and things like that, so he will definitely be more human, and it shows that when he is portrayed as weaker and with his family, because that's what he wants. He wants to be with his family. He wants to be a dad and be there for, and with his daughter as she grows up, he wants things that most other people want. It's like that little instance in the Goku Black Arc where Future Trunks met Adult Gohan and his family and he was sad that he didn't have that, because as cool as they are in fighting and gaining more and more power and just being cool and bad-@$$ you have to remember that they are still people. They have wants and desires and other things, because from their perspective, Gohan and Future Trunks, you always have to fight, you always have to struggle, you lose things and it's hard to just go on, they have losses and life is hard and they wish for their lives to get better. Looking at it that way and in that constantly fighting lifestyle there is barely any peace, if any, and you don't have time for yourself or your family, and you will have a lot of pressure on you and you will be struggling all of the time and so many things where you will feel overwhelmed, and you think about your family, and that things could be better and wishing that it wasn't this way and that things were different, having all this weight on your shoulders and just to a point where you can't be with your family and all of you cannot find really any real happiness if you're not there, and then it just gets to a point where you are overwhelmed and it feels like you want to quit, like you are sick and tired, you're tired of being sick, you are sick of being tired. That is what this would most likely do, maybe not everyone, but it is that way with Future Trunks and with Gohan, because of the pacifist that he is I feel like this is how he will be. That is why I am ok with Gohan being weaker and being with his family and things like that because that portrays his character very well, because that is literally who Gohan is, even in Dragon Ball Z when he was taken by Raditz and Raditz talked about him being born for battle and that he could have been a great fighter, but he said that he didn't want to fight, or when Goku made him fight Cell, Gohan didn't really want to fight either, even though he got more powerful because before he turned Super Saiyan 2 he was literally crying in his battle with Cell because he didn't want what was happening. It actually is alined with Gohan's character and who Gohan is as a person, because I am not going to lie, I was one of those people who, when I saw teen Gohan in the Buu Saga I was like everyone else in thinking, "This isn't my Gohan!" Or "They ruined Gohan!" And things like that, but as I said from looking back on Dragon Ball Z and everything, when he is not angry, through everything from Raditz and Cell and everything Gohan was not about that life he has a soft nature and that is who he is and who he has been during his whole life even in the Buu Saga. It actually alines with Gohan's character and that is why I love him, because it shows that he is different from Goku and Vegeta and he is a more down to Earth, human, individual, who is just living and trying to achieve happiness and other things in life, and that is what makes him a great character in my opinion, not his power, just his personality and characteristics of a good man who shows that even though he has the power he is still a person, not a fighter, well he is a fighter, but what I mean is... he is not a warrior per say. He is not going to go out there and seek battle like Goku or Vegeta, nor is he doing to drop everything just to fight. It gives you that human, peace loving side to Dragon Ball with Gohan. Now, I am not pushing for Gohan to be weaker. I am not doing that at all. Would I want Gohan to become stronger? Absolutely! I love Gohan. I love when he is strong and bad-@$$, and I wish that he would balance work, family, and training and become strong and relevant again. I am just saying that if they do make Gohan weaker, then I would not be mad about that because that is who Gohan is, and it fits with his character.
    That is what I think about Gohan. Tell me what you all think.)
    This is what I mean because whenever Gohan is angry and has that boost in power like against Raditz or Nappa or Dadoria or Recoome and the Ginyu Force and Frieza and Perfect Cell, even against Super Buu, Gohan was amazing and bad-@$$, don't get me wrong, but those are only instances. Apart from those sets of events, whenever there are no enemies or threats and times are peaceful, Gohan is largely a laid back, peaceful, peace loving guy. That is who he has been throughout his life. Looking at Gohan's life, excluding the 4 peaceful years of his life before Raditz because he was a really young kid, Gohan had no real reason or want to train or get stronger because that is not who he is. The year or so between the Namek Saga and Android Saga, the 7 years after the Cell Saga, the times in Super when there was no villain aside from Frieza or Moro and them, he was not training or doing anything and was, for all standards of measurement, a normal guy living his best like, having a successful job/career, having a family, all successful things in life. That is who Gohan is!!! Gohan is not Goku and Vegeta who loves to fight, or wants to be strong, like what the video said, being the strongest doesn't matter to Gohan, and he doesn't want to fight and get stronger just for the heck of it, but to protect people and to maintain peace. That is one of the things that I absolutely love about Gohan, because he is different than Goku and Vegeta, and it gives you that down to Earth, peaceful, human side to Dragon Ball.
    That is my thoughts on Gohan and why I love him.
    Tell me what you all think.

    • @sparkz992
      @sparkz992 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      holy shit get a publisher 💀

    • @naokiezabalya1591
      @naokiezabalya1591 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Dear God the paragraph

    • @FlyyKaRizZmA
      @FlyyKaRizZmA 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ok who tf is about to read all that? 😂

    • @naokiezabalya1591
      @naokiezabalya1591 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@FlyyKaRizZmA I can but atleast add paragraph breaks

  • @NotCharAznable
    @NotCharAznable 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Gohan’s whole existence is being a plot device. He’s at his best when he’s not getting random rage boosts. I like him living a happy life he wants.

  • @DaniG._.German
    @DaniG._.German 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    0:04 I think Gohan was traumatized before the Saiyan Saga. Teen Gohan is the only hybrid who has anger issues. He's angrier than Vegeta's son, angrier than future Trunks.

    • @guardiantree8879
      @guardiantree8879 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      We’ve seen future Trunks get boosts from rage. We’ve never seen Goten & Trunks properly angry and then able to fight.

    • @NotCharAznable
      @NotCharAznable 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@guardiantree8879Goten and Trunks were basically raised during a time of peace until Buu came around.

    • @DaniG._.German
      @DaniG._.German 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@guardiantree8879 true. However, Trunks personality didn't change with the rage. Out of all the Saiyans, future Trunks is the only one who doesn't give in to that Saiyan urge. Trunks gets job done

    • @guardiantree8879
      @guardiantree8879 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@DaniG._.Germanhe was also a lot older than Gohan was when he went SS2.
      Plus Cell was trying to break him on purpose.

  • @Micalex
    @Micalex 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Tbh. It is a high skill to be able to talk about DBZ or any topic, every day, and still making it fresh.

  • @xenorocky4571
    @xenorocky4571 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    New pfp go brr

  • @ZangetsuGetsuga7
    @ZangetsuGetsuga7 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    New Photo for the Channel Looks W

  • @DaniG._.German
    @DaniG._.German 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    2:12 a successful entomologist.

  • @thewitness257
    @thewitness257 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    damn 42 seconds lmao wsg bro

  • @DragonballBlack
    @DragonballBlack 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Bruh you play Fortnite?

    • @SaiyanScholar
      @SaiyanScholar  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Hey man! I'm not on there. You?

    • @BrolyTheLegendaryoriginalSSJ
      @BrolyTheLegendaryoriginalSSJ 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@SaiyanScholaryou should play you’re missing out 😭🙏

    • @thanosdevito
      @thanosdevito 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@SaiyanScholar you should not play, thank you for being a responsible adult with good taste 🙏

    • @FlyyKaRizZmA
      @FlyyKaRizZmA 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Fornite is for babies

  • @Jsalo89
    @Jsalo89 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    00:05 he has chichis explosive temper n gokus strength to back it up. scary mix

  • @jmatthewza
    @jmatthewza 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This is why piccolo saying goku shouldn't let gohan fight cell didn't make sense to me yes they don't fight for same reason but the reason is still there and is better than goku's so goku was right the writers was just try to say something that actually shouldn't be a issue at all just so there's tension
    And i personally don't think gohan hates fighting it was plot point that was non existent until piccolo made that speech in the cell saga and now everyone ran with it
    Before that speech i don't remember gohan having a explicit issue with fighting if it was necessary of course he doesn't like it like goku but i know bro doesn't mind it when it comes to protecting his family

    • @JBtheJMB84
      @JBtheJMB84 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you! If Gohan had such an aversion to fighting, then he would not have ever stood on the front lines.

  • @ProjectKHI
    @ProjectKHI 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I actually love the aspect of Gohan where he doesn’t like fighting but is crazy strong. Although I think this could have been handled better in the story

  • @BobbyMoore2-mp8wb
    @BobbyMoore2-mp8wb 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Gohan is awesome 😎

  • @devilshooter126m8
    @devilshooter126m8 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Great video
    you can say Gohan is the Saiyan Scholar!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @SaiyanScholar
      @SaiyanScholar  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      HYBRID SCHOLAR LOL

  • @youngskeetz306
    @youngskeetz306 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It’s not him but for the first time he actually seemed like he was ready to be consistent with that hidden power the problem is he keeps unlocking over and over again , like if he just wants to chill then just chill and everyone would respect it but gohan keep playing wit us he just comes back with a new ultimate god mode and then he’s back to forgetting how to fight

  • @thatuzumaki7802
    @thatuzumaki7802 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I never had a problem with Gohan not being a fighter like Goku.

  • @charliechuckles2195
    @charliechuckles2195 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm wondering if full blooded Saiyans even have parental instincts. I'm wondering if they only or mostly have a desire for combat. Maybe it's a species thing

  • @Donatas-rp5yf
    @Donatas-rp5yf 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Oh wow😮

  • @LordRiley-lg4yq
    @LordRiley-lg4yq 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey Saiyan Scholar, I was rewatching your old video about Fleetway Super Sonic, and have had this idea for an AU where Gohan went on a Fleetway Sonic styled rampage when he obtained Super Saiyan 2 in the Cell Games.
    Your Thoughts?

    • @SaiyanScholar
      @SaiyanScholar  19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It sounds like there could be some connections in terms of the Super power taking over!

    • @LordRiley-lg4yq
      @LordRiley-lg4yq 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So maybe when you conclude What If Death was permanent in Dragon Ball, you could try doing my idea, make sure just to credit me.

  • @TreFKennedy
    @TreFKennedy 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    HimHan > Gohan

  • @ivanbluecool
    @ivanbluecool 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Course he isn't. Gohan isn't transformed. Ss2 is. Clearly different characters
    Also how DBZ basically tells Gohan to lose his mind is actually a bad lesson

  • @ChronoXShadow
    @ChronoXShadow 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nah, man. Gohan can't control his Saiyan blood. He DID enjoy fighting vs Cell and vs Dabura. This is why Gohan feels like he never got any character growth and character arc. If it were me writing DBS, I would have made Gohan come to terms with his human dreams and his Saiyan battle lust. And I would also try to make his human side part of his fighting persona. Instead, he somehow still has hidden rage, even though the Old Kai's ritual pulled it all out, and he undeservedly gains Beast mode.
    And unfortunately, your point about Gohan gravitating towards being a scholar when Goku's influence wears off is false. It's not Goku's influence, it's peace time. No threat to his life, so Gohan does what he enjoys and pours himself into his work. But, I'd argue this is a character regression that further makes Gohan's attainment of Beast less rewarding. In the Cell saga, he vowed he would train and be strong so he can protect those he loved. Why would he break his promise to himself? In the start of the Buu Saga it made sense, since Gohan's ego and shortsightedness made him think he was the bee's knees. But, by the end of the Buu Saga, he should be that much smarter to know he needs to keep training. Yet he regresses and didn't during the peaceful times after Battle of the Gods. And again does so after the ToP. At least this time he practiced 'one' move, but that's still character regression since he once again was taught by Piccolo to not get complacent. Dude either never learns, or has the worst writing in all of fiction. At this point, I'd rather he never learn as his personality.

  • @TreyDa3rd22
    @TreyDa3rd22 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Dragon Ball legends PvP is cooked because ultra beast gohan

  • @esashaik1372
    @esashaik1372 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    It's stupid why should Gohan be a scholar to make money when he could of used his fighting talents to make money?This was just a lame way to make Goku stay in the lime light while nerfing Gohan and removing him from the story only to make comedy appearances hear and there.There was no logic at all for Gohan to become a nerd and love it.

    • @derickferris3650
      @derickferris3650 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      His mother wanted gohan to have a normal life and want him to pursue something better than just be a fighter all time. Gohan is also half human. So a lot of the time training wouldn’t be on his mind unless the time he’s needed to fight he’s there. He loves being a scholar he loves to fight as well.

    • @Ignasimp
      @Ignasimp 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The "he is half human" argument is just bs. There is plenty of pure blood humans in the show who want to train and fight and get stronger.

    • @derickferris3650
      @derickferris3650 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Ignasimp gohan is rare than.

    • @WizG.
      @WizG. 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's like you didn't watch the video. Do DB fans really do have low comprehenson? Gohan was always like this since a child. Just because he knows how to fight doesn't mean he enjoys it. He'd rather make money through his education because that's his passion. Why would he suddenly just change his personality and turn into another Goku? It's 2025 and people are still having this conversation? Also Toiryama in a interview already stated that Gohan isn't suited as a MC for obvious reasons. 🤦🏾‍♂

    • @WizG.
      @WizG. 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Ignasimp Humans have many different desires while Saiyans mostly have an intrinsic instinct for battle only. That's the point. Not every human wants to fight while Saiyans are essentially born for it

  • @bigguccireno
    @bigguccireno 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mystic Gohan better

  • @JBtheJMB84
    @JBtheJMB84 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Chi Chi was 🗑 🗑 🗑. She could’ve saved the scholarly crap for Goten. Goten has been absolutely useless. Gohan’s purpose and potential were squandered. He should’ve been written to be Goku’s successor, but Goku fans were far too short-sighted to see the benefits.