Those who continue to support this org knowing how they handle csa cases are just as guilty as the perverts themselves. They just don’t have a love for justice there’s just no compassion or love to do the right thing. Great work thank you for sharing ❤
Exactly. I don't want to be found guilt by association.... CSA is a disaster in this organization. I was a baptized JW for decades. I left after I saw all the manipulation that Geoffrey Jackson did at Australia Royal Commission he was avoiding to give a direct response to the lawyer....but Geoffrey Jackson forgot that Almighty GOD YHVH appointed his son Crist Jesus to bring judgment to everyone individually including the GB. Everything done against the Father,s holy name is expose right now... Revelation 18:4 has a warning to all sincere Cristians Get out of her my people if you don't want to be part of her sins. CRIST Will use the government power to bring judgment. It did happen before when God sent 30.000 well training roman soldiers to discipline his Nation of Israel in 70 th year. Now we are about to see it be repeated again.
Thanks very much, Jason, and Falon. It took a lot of time and emotional strength to research and do two takes of this video. I appreciate it very much.
Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
@@DiffiCULTChildhoodWhich church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
😢That was it for me too...when he retorted with "we cant be respons ible for all the childtennin Australia. For someone who had been molested by my stepdad who had been an elder for 17 or 18yrs his heartless comment was an absolute kick in the guts. But as each subsequent elder was questiobed, it became clearer and clearer that the attitude is systemic.
So sorry for what you endured, having the wound reopened by the ARC must've been horrible. Happy for your freedom now from an Org that would defend that behavior! Thank you for joining us! -Falon
Thank you Fallon. I now work as an Early Childhood educator, so that elders cold indifference just flipped the switch in an instant. I am so grateful to the all the hours and hours of mind bending work that everyone involved with the ARC enquiry. They are all my heroes.
Thank you for covering this difficult & sensitive topic. 18:26 you brought up a good question. WHY would the congregation even send out a known offender out into field service?
To me it seems like an easy opportunity for the public to speak up & and say, "The Org is putting my family at risk & we aren't even members!" 🤔 Thank you for watching! -Falon
Such a good point Falon. Ugh. I'm struggling to remember if there were any instructions I was ever given. But it seems every congregation had a creepy guy in it
Pedophiles are not suppose to go 1- go out on field service 2- to give talks in the congregation 3- to be around children 4- to be around women with children. 5- they can only stay with wife if married. A long time friend told me about this information she found on Megan's law set up by the government to protect children from pedophiles... I don't know exactly all the details... But yes pedophiles can't go out on service . But the congregation keeps them mixed with children inside the congregation...elders they don't care much. I,m done with organized religion. Still fallow Crist foot steps as close as possible.
@34:39 minute mark, Falon you are so correct. The exact moment that did it for me was the same thing that did it for you. When I heard that elder said that it’s not the JWs responsibility to protect all children in Australia. It blew my mind. From that moment on, I was done. I even cried when I heard him say it. It was unbelievable.
I was a baptized JW for decades. Got baptized in 1975. about 10 years ago my daughter told me about the CSA in this organization...and I couldn't believe it, my daughter never lied to me...but I thought may be someone lied to her and she is innocently passing this information to me ... But when I saw Australia Royal Commission...I was done!!! Geoffrey Jackson trying to going around,and around, avoiding the give the lawyer a direct response... Very manipulative old ugly guy is Geoffrey Jackson... I still believe in Almighty GOD YHVH He appointed his son Crist Jesus to bring judgment to everyone individually including the GB... everything is expose now. Revelation 18;4 Get out of her my people if you don't want to found guilt by association with This organization.
Si sono comportati come Ponzio Pilato(governatore della Giudea ai tempi di Gesu ) Si sono lavate le mani ,sui bambini o ragazzi Il caso Australia mi ha reso fermo per uscire ,e mai piu a ritornare ,poi parlano di amore, IPOCRITI SENZA IL CONTEGNO DI UN CRISTIANO, falsi profeti degli ultimi tempi, bugiardi ,usan le tecniche di satana .da L'ITALIA SALUTI.
This is making me cry.. I'm 49. I'm a victim, uncomfortable talking about it. Unbelievable!!!!!! No one I tell will believe it. I need arock solid source that is undeniable. I'll check description
The numbers we discuss are based on mathematical averages according to various researchers. But, the transcripts of the 2015 Australian Royal Commission are public record & can be found easily online. I hope that gives you the ammo you need to move forward, even if its inch by inch, in your healing journey. Sending so much love! -Falon
My dear friend. Almighty GOD YHVH is a God of justice..he appointed his son Crist Jesus to bring judgment to everyone individually including the GB... You will get justice that's for sure. How??? Nobody will believe them( GB) and organized religion will be gone for ever.. That's why Armageddon is very necessary to clean all bad, people from the face of the earth 🌎 Salms 37 is God,s guaranty that will happen soon... Please stay faithful to Almighty GOD YHVH and his son Crist Jesus. We don't need the GB.. because Crist already gave his precious life to save you. Thanks for taking the time.
Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
Great video guys and fantastic research! I get what you're saying about the Governing Body not trying to hide abusers. However, the policies are made specifically to hide pedophiles - they have loopholes to allow elders who are abusers to stay as elders or to resume serving. The S-66 document is shocking in terms of the provisions given to offenders. Your stats were brilliant thank you🙏🙏🙏
So silly that the elder’s wife couldn’t be in the room with Falon while the elder asked her the baptism questions. Like she didn’t know what the questions were? It’s as if the organization just makes arrangements for elders to be alone with publishers out of habit. It’s like it’s a knee-jerk reaction. Elder talking to publisher? Well that needs privacy.
I am so glad you guys upset your own peace for us. This is exactly the kind of thing that needs to be put out there. You did an awesome job. Now extra day off and some trauma release so you don’t have to carry the burden of pain from how sad but real this is.
OMG. I'm from MN too. Attended the hall the serves St Louis park Hopkins And Minnetonka. Sister still attends. This was a great video. I asked elder Cook about CSA when he was at my mom's house doing a bible study with my nephew. His answer was disgusting. Would love to talk sometime
Miss Falon you made an excellent point @ 35:55 - 37:05. Yes the attorney made an excellent point which was selfishly glossed over with scales on the eyes of the elder. It was ugly. Lack of protection for the children in the community where kingdom halls exist. A policy change is absolutely necessary! I get wanting to not put dirt on Jehovah's name but do the right thing and you won't put dirt on his beautiful name. They are throwing mud on Gods name by not doing the right thing. Sad really. They bring reproach on God and the organization. Sex abuse occurs everywhere even the military. But when it happens, what do you do how do you handle it. How you handle it is what determines if you are good or from God, not that csa happens. We live in a sick world it will happen, how does the group, organization, government etc handle it?
I was a baptized JW for decades. I did some searching about the 2 witnesses rule. I discover that WT removed the word mouth from Deutronomio 19:15. All the Bibles that I checked had the word mouth 👄 GOD Said: By the mouth 👄 of 2 or 3 witnesses the matter wii be established... Almighty GOD YHVH is a God of justice HE never,ever required 2 eye 👁️ witness to observe the Gross immorality done against our young brothers and sisters. WT took the audacity to change God,s word in their New world translation...n WHY?? They can go to court and say there is no eye 👁️ witness to the case .. But God sees everything... that's why WT plus GB is expose showing all the abusers there is someone much higher than them.
GREAT video , thanks for what you do, I wish every viewer would leave a comment, to support your work, also to get the comment count as high as possible, hopefully the governments of the world can not ignore the attention, love from Au
Wow, that was a very intense podcast. I was a Boy Scout and did not at any time have any issues, or see any or have any friends talk about any. I know the organization had cases, every large organization with a mandate to work with children is going to have issues. With that said, I have a level of skepticism about the extent of the problem. In some way organizations that report more and are open about things when they happen, may look more dangerous. but, thinking about it, organizations, like JW, that keep a lid on it, probably have a far bigger problem.
Thank you from bringing awareness to the ongoing problem. Yes, they keep covering it up by their way of handling CSA. By having the STUPID two witness rule and by keeping it hush-hush they keep perpetuating the problem. They continue protecting the perpetrator instead of doing something about it.
When I was an MS I was assigned by the elders to study with a young man being watched over by a single foster mother. The teenage boy was a REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER! The "mother" would leave me alone with him and run errands. I was basically a free sitter. I demanded that she participate in the study because I was not taking responsibility for raising him. The woman ended the study pretty early on because the kid wouldn't stop looking at porn and playing with himself. But I was told by one of the elders to never let him go in the bathroom by himself. That's their way of dealing with a chomo. Later, I found out that that elder body covered for another adult como who, after drifting away from JWs, went on to molest another non-jw boy. Only then did he go to jail.
It blows my mind that otherwise intelligent ppl can hear stories like these (and there's thousands of them!) and still choose to be part of the org! Insane! -Falon
Thank you so much for making this video and your research, strength, and the helpful links! You both do such a wonderful job, and have so much experience that really helps hit home the points you are showing in your exposure of the reasons why people like us had to leave, and it really shows how immoral a choice it would have been for us to ignore the reasons and stay inside…
60,000 JWs in Australia. 35% men. 1006 paedophiles on record. Not excluding children ( which makes the figure way more in favour of WT) means 1:25 ratio or 1 in every 25 men in the organisation are paedophiles 20:23
In the early 2000's there were about 70 000 JW in Australia. The cited unreported number was 1006 over a 50 to 60 year period. They had records. Many of us know ones who were got at...including by parents and relatives ( no hearsay). And nothing was done.And from GB down they knew( Ted Jarasz- he was the one taken from Australia)..They just moved them around.Jeremiah 23 and Ezekiel 34 show what Father..and therefore also Jesus , think of these so- called elders ...
Very informative conversation and your research and experience are appreciated. I was born in and was an MS for about 3 years before I walked away in the late 90s. My appointment was the "peek behind the curtain" that sealed my suspicions about the hypocrisy however I never personally had any knowledge or ever suspected the prevalence of CSA. We lived in a much more sheltered world of course back then with no access to information as we all now have. The Real truth I came to understand is you can never Un -see the real truth behind "The Truth."
This is what finally pushed me to my breaking point. We had 3 pedophiles in our hall. 2 were in our book study and being my husband was an elder, I was terrified we would have to take one in our car out in service. I had been molested myself as a child not by a JW through. So I went to the CO above my husband and the other elders, which caused a huge backlash to myself. Anyway the CO was so ticked off at me and told me I needed to get a handle on my emotions, he could care that I had been molested myself I would have to take this brother to people's doors in my car period! I then went on to commit even more grievous sins by writing to the society, who was I a stupid sister lowly with no real brain to do that. Being I'd been at Bethel I didn't realize that I couldn't write to Bethel. There was just so much that I missed or miss read. I honestly don't know why I didn't see things before 😢 Anywho that was my wake up that this is just a very horrible organization.
Oh girl, I totally feel you on that! Once in field service (in sweltering Oklahoma summer heat!), a brother insisted me & another sister walk all the way to the end of a very long street & work our way back. It was 100⁰ & we were exhausted so I politely refused. He said "Well it has to get done" & I responded with "Then maybe you should do it". His wife lost her mind on me, "Falon! How dare you speak to a brother like that!" I was probably 12 or 13? They told my mom all about it, how disrespectful & rebellious my attitude had been TOWARD A BROTHER specifically, etc. Thankfully, momma also wasn't one to be played with, so I never got in trouble. 😈
Dropping kids off to go from house to house was and is such a terrible idea and I can’t believe I allowed my own sons to participate and I participated in…is something I would never agree to. Thankfully I got out 25 yrs ago and my sons gladly left with me. One more side note is that when I studied the book to get baptized, it was done in my bedroom closed door, no one could interrupt, with a brother…I think back to that and think how freaking crazy that was!! So much more but you guys well covered a lot of the subjects! 🫣
One per hall ...all Elders ....that adds up to Mayhem 😮.......it must be incredibly prevalent for Watchtower to make a decision to keep Pedys hidden .......duh 😮
When I was made an MS on December 31st 2022 I didn't even get asked that question. Just "are you doing anything that would prevent you from becoming a MS?"
Elder are in fear that when they disagree with the others they will be disfellowship or become unpopular. There are cases where elders testified re the above.
I used to say “what will we go to “ but last year I said, I have to get out because I can’t teach this, I can’t condone it or support it! I have a daughter still in and she has my grandson. Thankfully my husband woke up soon after. My son WAS molested at a door and the elders did not even care. They called the legal department and then told me, we don’t have to do anymore. I’m like, my son was praying to get that last door and believing the angels were directing him there. He’s crying and does not know what to think! Nothing needs to be done? How obtuse can one be in that situation! I said, I’m going to the police and off we went. The CO got involved but at the end of him explaining what happened, the CO made the elders leave and hugged him with this long uncomfortable hug. No one questioned that either? They had to ask if he enjoyed getting molested… I’m sorry… what?! Such a disgrace imo. Nuts! Thank God my son is out and doing well. I was in forty years btw… now I ask…Is Satan running this religion?
The elder in the ARC didn't say they didn't have the responsibility to protect non-jw children. He asked, what ability do we have to protect children in the community? Still, disgusting but not so flippant.
They have as much responsibility as any other charity or 'for profit' organization that sends people into the home setting of elderly and young people. There is a duty of care to select staff and volunteers who have valid and current safety checks. In addition, a responsibility to watch these workers whilst they carry out the work of the person profiting (or providing charitable benefit) under a delegated authority to ensure that any inappropriate or unsafe managed is swiftly and effectively managed.
@leahsoames1577 Leah, thank you so much for your feedback, I read your email twice! So happy you got out when you did & that you've been able to use your skills to bring attention to this issue! You are awesome! -Falon
@18:23 minute mark: 11 yrs ago when I was an active JW, any JW who has been re-instated after being disfellowshipped, who has been reproved or who has had privileges taken away ( passing microphones, etc )...always had the RIGHT to participate in field service (door to door, car group, etc...) the question now is: has that changed ?
IMO, if they are an offender or suspected offender, (suspected enough that an elder would issue a warning about what car group to place them in) then they have NO "rights" being sent door to door.
The point of the question was "Have you ever been accused of CSA and/or have you ever perpetrated CSA?" My answer to both was no. Later I found out that the reason they asked me specifically was that there was another ministerial servant in the year prior to me arriving, that had moved into the congregation and was accused of "inappropriate conduct." I don't know any more details, so I won't speculate. But that was their weak attempt to "protect the congregation." As I've been learning about the problem with CSA in the organization since I left, I thought back to that weird conversation with the elders. They were just so useless. And so is the GB. It was in Sioux Falls South Dakota in 2010.
But to your point, are you saying that if someone is accused of CSA, they just need to be asked if they were accused by the new congregation Elders and if the response is "no," then the Elders will proceed with the appointment to Elder or Ministerial Servant in the new congregation? If a man who moves into a new cong was accused, it would be in their letter that goes to the new congregation from the old one. So there would be no point in asking. Also, my point is that the Elders asking was more about legally protecting the congregation than actually taking effective measures to protect children. Oh and for clarity, Falon and I usually sign our comments. But I thought it was obvious that this it is me, Jason, responding.
@@DiffiCULTChildhood i said nothing about appointments in my comment. I said if one is being asked it has to do with an accusation in your past. And following up by asking if you have EVER been involved in CSA is proper. I believe that accusations against primary legal guardians should be reported to law enforcement for the purpose of investigation by the elders period. When it comes to outside legal guardian accusations the legal guardians should report through the victims therapist. Therapy should be a requirement; although this provision is not available in all countries sadly. In countries that have accessibility issues of therapists, law enforcement should be used; however its important to note many lands do not have a just system where one is viewed as innocent until proven guilty. It may be a more complicated matter in those lands. Elders are not equipped to handle legal matters and should only stay in the lane of spiritual matters; which i believe should hault all privileges of the accused until the police investigation and court proceedings are concluded. At the same time regarding lands where the system is unjust and reporting could lead to a non-investigational death of the accused; proceeding could be very complicated.
You know who was responsable for implementig the 2-Witness-Rule in the Organisation, and didn't change that even after realizing that this policy was used to harm the victims? It was the one (R.F.) who wrote 2 big (and great) books against the Org and didn't mention the CSA cases even once (as if this problem never existed already at the time he wrote about). He was asked for the reason, and he never admitted that it was a mistake but just said that JWs in this issue are not worse than other religions. Remember: no one in the GB has become a member of the GB if he hasn't proved to be "worth" to become one. I say it once again: No one. Everybody of them has and had his skeleton in the closet.
That’s interesting. I hadn’t heard that. But thank you for sharing that information. I will look into that. I tried to read Crisis of Conscience and I found it to be intellectually disingenuous. Raymond has lots of problems with the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses, but then has no problems with a lot of demonstrably immoral things that God does in the Bible. So I would not put it past him to have implemented questionable policies in his time as a GB member. And if you can offer any specific sources for your statements, I would appreciate it. Genuinely. Cheers! - Jason
Serious question.....do the publishers know about all of this? For me, I left jw organization two years ago and found all this out. While I was heavily indoctrinated, I do not recall hearing about csa cases.
I was 3rd generation, born-in JW and I never heard a single word about it until after I had started waking up. But even if I had heard about it back then, I'm sure I would've dismissed it all as "apostate lies" 🙃 -Falon
Well having that overseer say casually "this is a child sex offender, dont put him with children", it is shocking that they handle people who did sex crimes like people who behave badly in certain situations and sending them with other people in service to be knocking on doors of strangers, it really sounded like having someone with alcoholism and warning other people to not give that person alcohol.
Oh but the LDS do have problems. I live in Utah. The boy scouts need to be factored into their numbers, at least in heavy LDS populated areas such as Utah, Idaho & Arizona. All the troops were operated out of the LDS wards (churches).
Thank you for your comment. I guess maybe LDS are just better at keeping a tight lid. After the episode was done I kind of felt like my LDS research fell a bit short. So thank you again for sharing. - Jason
Very good video thanks for sharing this information and topic, keep up the good video's, thank you both very much, for your time and efforts, to bring this information to light, God bless you both,
You guys are just reaffirming what I even questioning….I feel nauseous waking up is a hard process, but I also agree on not continuing to be part of an organization that protect sex offender instead of the children…
The parents can teach their own children.Boy Scouts in Australia had/ve paedophilia too.Its in the CSA.. When GB goes out they have 4...for their protection(they did arond 2013->not sure now. Aren't the angels supposed to protect them?
I believe like Christopher Hitchens says, “religion poisons everything.” So I think there are other churches allowing horrific coverup as well. But the Jehovah’s Witnesses are the religion that I have experience and specific knowledge of the details of how they have done it. So that’s why I’m focusing on this one. - Jason, Atheist
The Elders are not equipped to deal with these traumas .
You are 100 % correct !
Those who continue to support this org knowing how they handle csa cases are just as guilty as the perverts themselves. They just don’t have a love for justice there’s just no compassion or love to do the right thing. Great work thank you for sharing ❤
There's definitely enough guilt to go around! Thank you for joining us! -Falon
Exactly.
I don't want to be found guilt by association.... CSA is a disaster in this organization.
I was a baptized JW for decades.
I left after I saw all the manipulation that Geoffrey Jackson did at Australia Royal Commission he was avoiding to give a direct response to the lawyer....but Geoffrey Jackson forgot that Almighty GOD YHVH appointed his son Crist Jesus to bring judgment to everyone individually including the GB.
Everything done against the Father,s holy name is expose right now...
Revelation 18:4 has a warning to all sincere Cristians
Get out of her my people if you don't want to be part of her sins.
CRIST Will use the government power to bring judgment.
It did happen before when God sent 30.000 well training roman soldiers to discipline his Nation of Israel in 70 th year.
Now we are about to see it be repeated again.
Thanks very much, Jason, and Falon. It took a lot of time and emotional strength to research and do two takes of this video. I appreciate it very much.
You are stronger than you know! Sending love your way!
Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
@@DiffiCULTChildhoodWhich church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
😢That was it for me too...when he retorted with "we cant be respons ible for all the childtennin Australia. For someone who had been molested by my stepdad who had been an elder for 17 or 18yrs his heartless comment was an absolute kick in the guts. But as each subsequent elder was questiobed, it became clearer and clearer that the attitude is systemic.
So sorry for what you endured, having the wound reopened by the ARC must've been horrible. Happy for your freedom now from an Org that would defend that behavior! Thank you for joining us! -Falon
Thank you Fallon. I now work as an Early Childhood educator, so that elders cold indifference just flipped the switch in an instant.
I am so grateful to the all the hours and hours of mind bending work that everyone involved with the ARC enquiry. They are all my heroes.
Wow my hs hold too. Comment/story above. So sry trauma you hv had to live through.
@@trevorbeeler3061 thank you.
Thank you for covering this difficult & sensitive topic. 18:26 you brought up a good question. WHY would the congregation even send out a known offender out into field service?
To me it seems like an easy opportunity for the public to speak up & and say, "The Org is putting my family at risk & we aren't even members!" 🤔 Thank you for watching! -Falon
Such a good point Falon. Ugh. I'm struggling to remember if there were any instructions I was ever given. But it seems every congregation had a creepy guy in it
@@mikegonzalez503 we definitely had more than 1 😂
Pedophiles are not suppose to go
1- go out on field service
2- to give talks in the congregation
3- to be around children
4- to be around women with children.
5- they can only stay with wife if married.
A long time friend told me about this information she found on Megan's law set up by the government to protect children from pedophiles...
I don't know exactly all the details...
But yes pedophiles can't go out on service .
But the congregation keeps them mixed with children inside the congregation...elders they don't care much.
I,m done with organized religion.
Still fallow Crist foot steps as close as possible.
Appreciate you both, Thank You!
Your voice matters. Change will happen.
Thank you so much!
@34:39 minute mark, Falon you are so correct. The exact moment that did it for me was the same thing that did it for you.
When I heard that elder said that it’s not the JWs responsibility to protect all children in Australia.
It blew my mind. From that moment on, I was done.
I even cried when I heard him say it. It was unbelievable.
Same here. I was a blubbering mess for days.
I was a baptized JW for decades.
Got baptized in 1975.
about 10 years ago my daughter told me about the CSA in this organization...and I couldn't believe it, my daughter never lied to me...but I thought may be someone lied to her and she is innocently passing this information to me ...
But when I saw Australia Royal Commission...I was done!!!
Geoffrey Jackson trying to going around,and around, avoiding the give the lawyer a direct response...
Very manipulative old ugly guy is Geoffrey Jackson...
I still believe in Almighty GOD YHVH He appointed his son Crist Jesus to bring judgment to everyone individually including the GB... everything is expose now.
Revelation 18;4
Get out of her my people if you don't want to found guilt by association with This organization.
That did it for me too… cried.. had been inactive for years.. finally wrote my letter!
Si sono comportati come Ponzio Pilato(governatore della Giudea ai tempi di Gesu ) Si sono lavate le mani ,sui bambini o ragazzi Il caso Australia mi ha reso fermo per uscire ,e mai piu a ritornare ,poi parlano di amore, IPOCRITI SENZA IL CONTEGNO DI UN CRISTIANO, falsi profeti degli ultimi tempi, bugiardi ,usan le tecniche di satana .da L'ITALIA SALUTI.
This is making me cry.. I'm 49. I'm a victim, uncomfortable talking about it. Unbelievable!!!!!! No one I tell will believe it. I need arock solid source that is undeniable. I'll check description
The numbers we discuss are based on mathematical averages according to various researchers. But, the transcripts of the 2015 Australian Royal Commission are public record & can be found easily online. I hope that gives you the ammo you need to move forward, even if its inch by inch, in your healing journey. Sending so much love! -Falon
My dear friend.
Almighty GOD YHVH is a God of justice..he appointed his son Crist Jesus to bring judgment to everyone individually including the GB...
You will get justice that's for sure.
How??? Nobody will believe them( GB) and organized religion will be gone for ever..
That's why Armageddon is very necessary to clean all bad, people from the face of the earth 🌎
Salms 37 is God,s guaranty that will happen soon...
Please stay faithful to Almighty GOD YHVH and his son Crist Jesus.
We don't need the GB.. because Crist already gave his precious life to save you.
Thanks for taking the time.
JWs have too much contradictions for me.
Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
Great video guys and fantastic research! I get what you're saying about the Governing Body not trying to hide abusers. However, the policies are made specifically to hide pedophiles - they have loopholes to allow elders who are abusers to stay as elders or to resume serving. The S-66 document is shocking in terms of the provisions given to offenders.
Your stats were brilliant thank you🙏🙏🙏
So silly that the elder’s wife couldn’t be in the room with Falon while the elder asked her the baptism questions. Like she didn’t know what the questions were?
It’s as if the organization just makes arrangements for elders to be alone with publishers out of habit. It’s like it’s a knee-jerk reaction. Elder talking to publisher? Well that needs privacy.
I am so glad you guys upset your own peace for us. This is exactly the kind of thing that needs to be put out there. You did an awesome job.
Now extra day off and some trauma release so you don’t have to carry the burden of pain from how sad but real this is.
My fat finger hit dislike accidentally. 😂
@rebuildingrebelyn this made me laugh out loud 🤣 -Falon
OMG. I'm from MN too. Attended the hall the serves St Louis park Hopkins And Minnetonka. Sister still attends. This was a great video. I asked elder Cook about CSA when he was at my mom's house doing a bible study with my nephew. His answer was disgusting. Would love to talk sometime
Yeah we'd love to hear from you and hear what Cook said. exjwchildhood@gmail.com -Jason
Miss Falon you made an excellent point @ 35:55 - 37:05.
Yes the attorney made an excellent point which was selfishly glossed over with scales on the eyes of the elder. It was ugly.
Lack of protection for the children in the community where kingdom halls exist.
A policy change is absolutely necessary!
I get wanting to not put dirt on Jehovah's name but do the right thing and you won't put dirt on his beautiful name.
They are throwing mud on Gods name by not doing the right thing. Sad really.
They bring reproach on God and the organization.
Sex abuse occurs everywhere even the military. But when it happens, what do you do how do you handle it. How you handle it is what determines if you are good or from God, not that csa happens.
We live in a sick world it will happen, how does the group, organization, government etc handle it?
I was a baptized JW for decades.
I did some searching about the 2 witnesses rule.
I discover that WT removed the word mouth from Deutronomio 19:15.
All the Bibles that I checked had the word mouth 👄
GOD Said:
By the mouth 👄 of 2 or 3 witnesses the matter wii be established...
Almighty GOD YHVH is a God of justice HE never,ever required 2 eye 👁️ witness to observe the Gross immorality done against our young brothers and sisters.
WT took the audacity to change God,s word in their New world translation...n
WHY??
They can go to court and say there is no eye 👁️ witness to the case ..
But God sees everything... that's why WT plus GB is expose showing all the abusers there is someone much higher than them.
GREAT video , thanks for what you do, I wish every viewer would leave a comment, to support your work, also to get the comment count as high as possible, hopefully the governments of the world can not ignore the attention, love from Au
Wow, that was a very intense podcast. I was a Boy Scout and did not at any time have any issues, or see any or have any friends talk about any. I know the organization had cases, every large organization with a mandate to work with children is going to have issues. With that said, I have a level of skepticism about the extent of the problem. In some way organizations that report more and are open about things when they happen, may look more dangerous. but, thinking about it, organizations, like JW, that keep a lid on it, probably have a far bigger problem.
You're focusing on other groups. I hope your comment doesn't disappear.
Thanks Mike! We appreciate your support. People like you who were never JW's and still care.
Thank you from bringing awareness to the ongoing problem. Yes, they keep covering it up by their way of handling CSA. By having the STUPID two witness rule and by keeping it hush-hush they keep perpetuating the problem. They continue protecting the perpetrator instead of doing something about it.
How painfully true.
If y'all want my story about how "2nd witness" caused my cong that i was raised in... lemme know. Happy to share.
Yeah let's chat. Falon and I both monitor the email. exjwchildhood@gmail.com - Jason
@@DiffiCULTChildhood sorry just saw will absolutely do. Email will match username🥰
When I was an MS I was assigned by the elders to study with a young man being watched over by a single foster mother. The teenage boy was a REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER! The "mother" would leave me alone with him and run errands. I was basically a free sitter. I demanded that she participate in the study because I was not taking responsibility for raising him.
The woman ended the study pretty early on because the kid wouldn't stop looking at porn and playing with himself.
But I was told by one of the elders to never let him go in the bathroom by himself. That's their way of dealing with a chomo.
Later, I found out that that elder body covered for another adult como who, after drifting away from JWs, went on to molest another non-jw boy. Only then did he go to jail.
It blows my mind that otherwise intelligent ppl can hear stories like these (and there's thousands of them!) and still choose to be part of the org! Insane! -Falon
Thank you so much for making this video and your research, strength, and the helpful links! You both do such a wonderful job, and have so much experience that really helps hit home the points you are showing in your exposure of the reasons why people like us had to leave, and it really shows how immoral a choice it would have been for us to ignore the reasons and stay inside…
Thank you so much for your kind and supportive comment. - Jason
60,000 JWs in Australia. 35% men. 1006 paedophiles on record. Not excluding children ( which makes the figure way more in favour of WT) means 1:25 ratio or 1 in every 25 men in the organisation are paedophiles 20:23
In the early 2000's there were about 70 000 JW in Australia.
The cited unreported number was 1006 over a 50 to 60 year period.
They had records.
Many of us know ones who were got at...including by parents and relatives ( no hearsay).
And nothing was done.And from GB down they knew( Ted Jarasz- he was the one taken from Australia)..They just moved them around.Jeremiah 23 and Ezekiel 34 show what Father..and therefore also Jesus , think of these so- called elders
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Things need to change. Thank you for being great advocates.
shaw do... humans need to stop joining terror groups.
Very informative conversation and your research and experience are appreciated. I was born in and was an MS for about 3 years before I walked away in the late 90s. My appointment was the "peek behind the curtain" that sealed my suspicions about the hypocrisy however I never personally had any knowledge or ever suspected the prevalence of CSA. We lived in a much more sheltered world of course back then with no access to information as we all now have. The Real truth I came to understand is you can never Un -see the real truth behind "The Truth."
This is what finally pushed me to my breaking point.
We had 3 pedophiles in our hall. 2 were in our book study and being my husband was an elder, I was terrified we would have to take one in our car out in service. I had been molested myself as a child not by a JW through.
So I went to the CO above my husband and the other elders, which caused a huge backlash to myself.
Anyway the CO was so ticked off at me and told me I needed to get a handle on my emotions, he could care that I had been molested myself I would have to take this brother to people's doors in my car period!
I then went on to commit even more grievous sins by writing to the society, who was I a stupid sister lowly with no real brain to do that. Being I'd been at Bethel I didn't realize that I couldn't write to Bethel. There was just so much that I missed or miss read. I honestly don't know why I didn't see things before 😢
Anywho that was my wake up that this is just a very horrible organization.
Oh girl, I totally feel you on that! Once in field service (in sweltering Oklahoma summer heat!), a brother insisted me & another sister walk all the way to the end of a very long street & work our way back. It was 100⁰ & we were exhausted so I politely refused. He said "Well it has to get done" & I responded with "Then maybe you should do it". His wife lost her mind on me, "Falon! How dare you speak to a brother like that!" I was probably 12 or 13? They told my mom all about it, how disrespectful & rebellious my attitude had been TOWARD A BROTHER specifically, etc. Thankfully, momma also wasn't one to be played with, so I never got in trouble. 😈
Dropping kids off to go from house to house was and is such a terrible idea and I can’t believe I allowed my own sons to participate and I participated in…is something I would never agree to. Thankfully I got out 25 yrs ago and my sons gladly left with me. One more side note is that when I studied the book to get baptized, it was done in my bedroom closed door, no one could interrupt, with a brother…I think back to that and think how freaking crazy that was!! So much more but you guys well covered a lot of the subjects! 🫣
The Mormon church is closely associated with high level political and law enforcement membership who will shield the members from prosecution.
Jehovah witness dont have that when a person decide to leave there own there own nobody will support them
They go to the elders for help the guys thats baptized
You are correct .That elder said that in the court.
One per hall ...all Elders ....that adds up to Mayhem 😮.......it must be incredibly prevalent for Watchtower to make a decision to keep Pedys hidden .......duh 😮
When I was made an MS on December 31st 2022 I didn't even get asked that question. Just "are you doing anything that would prevent you from becoming a MS?"
Elder are in fear that when they disagree with the others they will be disfellowship or become unpopular.
There are cases where elders testified re the above.
I used to say “what will we go to “ but last year I said, I have to get out because I can’t teach this, I can’t condone it or support it! I have a daughter still in and she has my grandson. Thankfully my husband woke up soon after. My son WAS molested at a door and the elders did not even care. They called the legal department and then told me, we don’t have to do anymore. I’m like, my son was praying to get that last door and believing the angels were directing him there. He’s crying and does not know what to think! Nothing needs to be done? How obtuse can one be in that situation! I said, I’m going to the police and off we went. The CO got involved but at the end of him explaining what happened, the CO made the elders leave and hugged him with this long uncomfortable hug. No one questioned that either? They had to ask if he enjoyed getting molested… I’m sorry… what?! Such a disgrace imo. Nuts! Thank God my son is out and doing well. I was in forty years btw… now I ask…Is Satan running this religion?
The elder in the ARC didn't say they didn't have the responsibility to protect non-jw children. He asked, what ability do we have to protect children in the community?
Still, disgusting but not so flippant.
Pardon my paraphrase 🙄
They have as much ability as anyone who knows how to use a phone
They have as much responsibility as any other charity or 'for profit' organization that sends people into the home setting of elderly and young people. There is a duty of care to select staff and volunteers who have valid and current safety checks. In addition, a responsibility to watch these workers whilst they carry out the work of the person profiting (or providing charitable benefit) under a delegated authority to ensure that any inappropriate or unsafe managed is swiftly and effectively managed.
@leahsoames1577 Leah, thank you so much for your feedback, I read your email twice! So happy you got out when you did & that you've been able to use your skills to bring attention to this issue! You are awesome! -Falon
@18:23 minute mark: 11 yrs ago when I was an active JW, any JW who has been re-instated after being disfellowshipped, who has been reproved or who has had privileges taken away ( passing microphones, etc )...always had the RIGHT to participate in field service (door to door, car group, etc...) the question now is: has that changed ?
IMO, if they are an offender or suspected offender, (suspected enough that an elder would issue a warning about what car group to place them in) then they have NO "rights" being sent door to door.
They ask if you have ever engaged in csa if you had an accusation in the past. So there was a reason you were asked.
The point of the question was "Have you ever been accused of CSA and/or have you ever perpetrated CSA?" My answer to both was no. Later I found out that the reason they asked me specifically was that there was another ministerial servant in the year prior to me arriving, that had moved into the congregation and was accused of "inappropriate conduct." I don't know any more details, so I won't speculate. But that was their weak attempt to "protect the congregation." As I've been learning about the problem with CSA in the organization since I left, I thought back to that weird conversation with the elders. They were just so useless. And so is the GB. It was in Sioux Falls South Dakota in 2010.
But to your point, are you saying that if someone is accused of CSA, they just need to be asked if they were accused by the new congregation Elders and if the response is "no," then the Elders will proceed with the appointment to Elder or Ministerial Servant in the new congregation? If a man who moves into a new cong was accused, it would be in their letter that goes to the new congregation from the old one. So there would be no point in asking.
Also, my point is that the Elders asking was more about legally protecting the congregation than actually taking effective measures to protect children.
Oh and for clarity, Falon and I usually sign our comments. But I thought it was obvious that this it is me, Jason, responding.
@@DiffiCULTChildhood i said nothing about appointments in my comment. I said if one is being asked it has to do with an accusation in your past. And following up by asking if you have EVER been involved in CSA is proper.
I believe that accusations against primary legal guardians should be reported to law enforcement for the purpose of investigation by the elders period.
When it comes to outside legal guardian accusations the legal guardians should report through the victims therapist. Therapy should be a requirement; although this provision is not available in all countries sadly. In countries that have accessibility issues of therapists, law enforcement should be used; however its important to note many lands do not have a just system where one is viewed as innocent until proven guilty. It may be a more complicated matter in those lands.
Elders are not equipped to handle legal matters and should only stay in the lane of spiritual matters; which i believe should hault all privileges of the accused until the police investigation and court proceedings are concluded.
At the same time regarding lands where the system is unjust and reporting could lead to a non-investigational death of the accused; proceeding could be very complicated.
You know who was responsable for implementig the 2-Witness-Rule in the Organisation, and didn't change that even after realizing that this policy was used to harm the victims?
It was the one (R.F.) who wrote 2 big (and great) books against the Org and didn't mention the CSA cases even once (as if this problem never existed already at the time he wrote about). He was asked for the reason, and he never admitted that it was a mistake but just said that JWs in this issue are not worse than other religions.
Remember: no one in the GB has become a member of the GB if he hasn't proved to be "worth" to become one. I say it once again: No one. Everybody of them has and had his skeleton in the closet.
That’s interesting. I hadn’t heard that. But thank you for sharing that information. I will look into that.
I tried to read Crisis of Conscience and I found it to be intellectually disingenuous. Raymond has lots of problems with the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses, but then has no problems with a lot of demonstrably immoral things that God does in the Bible.
So I would not put it past him to have implemented questionable policies in his time as a GB member.
And if you can offer any specific sources for your statements, I would appreciate it. Genuinely. Cheers! - Jason
@@DiffiCULTChildhood Google for: silentlambs Raymond
Serious question.....do the publishers know about all of this? For me, I left jw organization two years ago and found all this out. While I was heavily indoctrinated, I do not recall hearing about csa cases.
I was 3rd generation, born-in JW and I never heard a single word about it until after I had started waking up. But even if I had heard about it back then, I'm sure I would've dismissed it all as "apostate lies" 🙃 -Falon
Well having that overseer say casually "this is a child sex offender, dont put him with children", it is shocking that they handle people who did sex crimes like people who behave badly in certain situations and sending them with other people in service to be knocking on doors of strangers, it really sounded like having someone with alcoholism and warning other people to not give that person alcohol.
Oh but the LDS do have problems. I live in Utah. The boy scouts need to be factored into their numbers, at least in heavy LDS populated areas such as Utah, Idaho & Arizona. All the troops were operated out of the LDS wards (churches).
Thank you for your comment. I guess maybe LDS are just better at keeping a tight lid. After the episode was done I kind of felt like my LDS research fell a bit short. So thank you again for sharing. - Jason
Very good video thanks for sharing this information and topic, keep up the good video's, thank you both very much, for your time and efforts, to bring this information to light, God bless you both,
Thank you for your kind words, & for watching!
Great Job Thanks keep Exposing the Corruption
Correction Not OT but Organization.
You guys are just reaffirming what I even questioning….I feel nauseous waking up is a hard process, but I also agree on not continuing to be part of an organization that protect sex offender instead of the children…
It is very difficult... but you're not alone. We see you. We were you. We're with you. 🩷 -Falon
Old Elder Hodges had a van with no windows. Spooky.
Yikes.
The parents can teach their own children.Boy Scouts in Australia had/ve paedophilia too.Its in the CSA..
When GB goes out they have 4...for their protection(they did arond 2013->not sure now.
Aren't the angels supposed to protect them?
Thank you is all i can type anymore.
You are stronger than you know! 💛
I have done some back of napkin math using other information and have come to a similar number. 1 - 2 pedos per kh
Not everyone who go to our kingdom hall is a Jehova Witness
Many JW elders are in jail serving time for CSA
Watchtower Australia have records of over 1000 pedophiles as shown at Australia Royal Commission, many are JW elders.
Many JW elders imprisoned for this.
ARC reported over 1000 abusers on Watchtower Australia database, how many children did these JWs abuse?
Many in prison for CSA are JWs
Muchos de Doble moral cuidado😊
"In their arrogance" that's it right there, jason. Idt it is willful. I think it is their ego.
What about the other churches?
I believe like Christopher Hitchens says, “religion poisons everything.” So I think there are other churches allowing horrific coverup as well. But the Jehovah’s Witnesses are the religion that I have experience and specific knowledge of the details of how they have done it. So that’s why I’m focusing on this one. - Jason, Atheist
@@DiffiCULTChildhood evolution scientists are guilty as well. Are you giving a no to Christmas?
@brethrenlee1404; who said anything about Christmas?
@@georgebrown8312 is that a no to Christmas?
Dunno but they're memberships make Jehovah's heart happy
44,000 ?
😂😂😂
Over the last 140 years since establishment of the watchtower I would say getting close to 144k.🤯🤪
It’s multigenerational.
Get some truth:: not this senseless gossip! INTERNATIONAL COMISSION ON JEHOVAHS WITNESSES AND THEIR OPPONANTS! HOLLY FOLK !
Is this a riddle? I think I like this comment a lot. - Jason
😂😂if its common knowledge.... LETS MAKE IT COMMON KNOWLEDGE then!!!!!