Why Pro Athletes Suck at Weight Training
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0:00 Training like an athlete
2:53 Unlikely Reasons
9:45 Likely Reasons
23:24 Take Aways - กีฬา
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This was very, very well presented.
Post your training videos Crowder
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why is the rp channel pinning Steven Crowders comment
Starting to suspect Scott is being held against his will, & they only take his ball gag out when it's time to record. We need video proof that he has bodily autonomy.
Does it matter? Scott knew what he signed up for, and that was to be "the video guy".
"Get the Gimp..."
@@perfectstranger1152 Absolutely , he gets what he deserves
😂😂😂
man if my college had lectures like these
Well do i have a certain college for you....
Rhymes with Beeman
“Why my students SUCK”
He's working on the RP college.
almost like he professes at a college
Even better, its here for free on youtube where you can watch it whenever suits you.
I ran cross country and track at the D1 level and I can say that fatigue from our main practice was the main thing preventing good efforts in the weight room. It's hard running 90+ mi/week, racing every weekend, AND weight train. Weight training was VERY secondary to our main run.
Yeah thats in every sport you gotta prioritize
@@gvngbvngiggy I never competed in track, but wouldn't it make the most sense to prioritize lifting, strength and general conditioning work in the off season and just phasing over to more sport specific stuff as the season starts approaching and during it? Seems pretty common sense to me, the body can only recover from so much work and it can be detrimental to try to train too many different energy systems, modalities, etc.
Hard to compare cross country to other more explosive sports like sprinting, basketball or football. Vastly different training styles for distance sports
@@oglocbaby520As someone who was also a D1 cross country and track athlete, but also had offers to play baseball. No. You wanna get good at running. You go run. You wanna get good at hitting a baseball go work on your swing. Weight lifting is almost completely useless in distance running. Baseball it helps for sure, helps a lot more to be able to hit a 95mph fastball and then be able to hit a curve.
@@bosox1640 I'm not really sure if I fully agree with your statement, there. Virtually all high level athletes are doing some form of strength training at some point in their training year. Athletes that aren't doing this are honestly doing something wrong. Any type of explosive or power based athlete will obviously be doing a lot of lifting, this could be sprinting, American football, Rugby, throwing events, etc. Even in something like wrestling, boxing or MMA you'd find they are doing a lot of this same stuff in addition to a lot of conditioning work. An endurance runner for instance would benefit by incorporating strength work for the lower body in particular. Have them throw in some sled pulls and stuff for their legs and hips that are easy to recover from and tell me that doesn't help them. Stronger legs would help with running up hills for instance. I'm not saying you'd put these guys on a bodybuilding split or some powerlifting routine, but I just cannot see why any serious athlete would not incorporate lifting/strength work.
I believe another big issue is the colleges. I have my masters in exercise science and it's shocking what some of my professors taught or didn't even know. One of the most shocking examples was a senior level class covering fitness assessment, the professor pulled me aside to ask how much a barbell weighs. The same program had another senior level class covering exercise prescription and never one mentioned periodization. It was a smaller school over 10k student population, but the exercise science major was the biggest major in the school.
the fact that a professor doesnt know a barbell weight which is universalized is very bad
And then people wonder why no one wants to "trust the science" or "trust the experts" anymore.
@@ayahuascadog2346Well that's because rich people are fat as shit, not because conspiracy theorists are sitting around fact checking what small-college PE professors are saying in lectures
@@ayahuascadog2346gotta be your own expert by finding good sources and facts and keeping your mind open
@@ayahuascadog2346but that's throwing the baby away with the bathwater.
Roger Neilson was an NHL coach from the late 70s through the early 2000s, but really made a name for himself in the 80s. He was the first coach to introduce the idea of organized *training in the off-season* to the Toronto Maple Leafs. We're talking right up 1977-1979, summer was just a time to drink beer and play golf in the pros. The 'trend is in decline' point is so on the money, we're so much better today than a few decades ago.
Too bad it didn't help them win a cup
Such an annoying, irrelevant little reply@@ryangilmore1642
True. But being an athlete was probably a lot more fun back then too.
😂
I'd wager the trend of training in the off season scaled pretty closely with how well athletes were paid. It wasn't until the 70's and 80's that players started making enough to not have to work second jobs and could focus solely on their sport.
Hi Dr.Mike, I am one of your few female audience members. Can you please make a video explaining how women can train optimally in reference to their menstrual cycles. I see a lot of conflicting advice on whether I should adapt my training according to my cycle or just power through it. I am also curious to know just HOW much does a woman's cycle actually effect their performance? I trust your videos because they are rooted in research! I know that your demographic is mostly young men, so it would be asking a lot.
Train and supplement and those wont even be a thing anymore.
@@chonzen1764🤦🏾♂️
Figure out what days you are stronger and can recover better, and then your more intense training sessions around that. On days where you are weaker, etc then you can plan on doing more volume or frequency to make up for lack of intensity or recovery, respectively
Would love this too! Menstruation really knocks me back! Feel so weak during that time of drop and surge in hormones 😊
One upside though up menstration is that it’s a sure for way to tell if you went too hard. Miss it and you went too hard or your pregnant. . (Men have a similar thing, missing the tall morning snake)
The other thing you didn't mention is the selection bias towards higher profile (more skill based) sports and positions. They don't do these profiles on the 275 lb middle linebacker that has to be crazy strong and fast. It's always a quarterback whose major assets are decision making, height, and the ability to impart spin on a ball.
Lebron was one of the strongest, most explosive basketball players ever. It’s sorta one of his things (I bring him up because he was the first highlighted athlete).
But even a QB needs incredible strength and stability, cause a couple times a season the linebacker is going to blitz uncovered and hit him in the chest or hips at full speed. The best ability is availability and all that.
Even some of these players that are more dependent on their athleticism often have subpar training. But they’re also genetic phenoms so they get away with it. Selection bias towards elite athletes means you’ll find plenty of these cases.
@rnodvn with LeBrons genetic gifts imagine if he trained for hypertrophy.
@@Redacted_762 It's a damn shame that nobody has written a book with a hypertrophy program on the first page. If authors didn't love forwards, acknowledgements and dedications so much Lebron could've won 20 championships.
@@rnodvnofc but it’s not as obvious so it’s overlooked. Also since when was lebron strong
Almost 20 years ago…I used to compete in powerlifting back in HS - I was ok, a state finalist. I had a good coach - a CSCS with relevant degrees. But looking back, periodization and deloads weren’t a part of the program. I can only imagine how much better I could have been if this information was available to me.
Your competitors probably could have used better information too 🤷♂️
@@jmass4207 your mom
It’s crazy you had no deloads. I’m no powerlifter and even I need one every few weeks
You can tell Dr Mike and the RP Crew are doing NNN with how much content they're pushing out on an almost daily basis.
Be strong, we're gonna make it! Only 16 more days to go!
Dr Mike’s staring at his Jason Mamoa and Pewdiepie posters longingly.
“Soon”
I'd love to see a video on optimal strength and hypertrophy for athletes. Like what muscles movements to prioritize (I have some guesses: knee flexion, hip adduction, hip flexion, ankle movements, triple extension) and good movements for them (nordic curls, dynamic adductor movements, cleans etc.)
I'm probably doing less in the gym then I could be so I'm not fatigued when I'm playing hockey. Earlier in the year I was doing a 4 day program in addition to hockey and kept running into walls. Figuring out proper fatigue management while doing a sport is hard and there's not much information out there and I don't think most PTs are qualified for it either.
And knee flexion!
I think the problem is that there is no optimal strength and hypertrophy for athletes as the optimal would change a lot depending on what sport you are an athlete in.
A general optimal program for athletes would be a general strength program i guess.
I am no expert and this is all just my assumptions.
@@lepari9986 Yeah, I edited it!
@@lepari9986 Yeah, I edited it!
Emil Zátopek won triple gold, 5k, 10k and marathon in one instance of the Olympic games, doing weighted hill runs and holding his breath during parts of his practice runs, frequently fainting from it. 1952 was wild
What a rare pleasure it is to watch an expert in a field and be imminently entertained at the same time. Absorb knowledge, laugh hard - both at the same time? Genius! Thanks Dr. Mike!
27:47 Man, I'd love to see a dunking contest between Dr Mike and Jeff Nippard
You should do a review of Olympic or ultra endurance swimmer strength workouts. In the last 15 years, the attitude has changed drastically from swimming more miles (swimming is pretty famous for overtraining) to focusing on building strength in the gym, and it's having a hugely positive impact. The Olympics is going to be wild this year with all the records that are about to be broken.
Cardio detected, opinion rejected.
You're AGAINST training and gaining knowledge of the most important muscle in your body?
Man, you couldn't have looked dumber even if you tried.@@i.c.wiener2750
No one considers it “doing cardio” ever.
Love your videos Mister RP. I can't always watch the videos, but I love putting them on and listening to that smooth and sultry voice, and learning some stuff too. I am also totally straight by the way.
I dont know why anyone would look at Tom Brady as a peak athletic specimen, has no one ever seen the guy run? Looks like a baby deer right after it was born lmao
Dude doesn't get paid to be strong, fast, or agile. He gets paid to be a genius play maker, top tier leader, and one of the greatest clutch QBs to ever play. All Tom Brady has to do is trust the guys who DO get paid to be strong and fast to protect his ass while he throws the ball like a phenom. Anyone who thinks Tom Brady is a good person to watch in the weight room is either a beginner (no shame) or an idiot.
Not a body builder but have been watching your videos and implementing the techniques for improved strength on the bike. The first six weeks performance was down but I stuck with it and I am setting power PRs and more competitive in races. Keep up the good work.
I trained several NBA players over the years with a somewhat bodybuilding style program with a strength building focus, and their performance on the court increased dramatically as a result. The exercise selection and their effort level and consistency were all great though, which definitely played a big role in their success as well. 💪
I see you everywhere in any fitness video
Can you kinda summarize the program please
which nba players? when did you start training them?
The way you pluralize your pronunciation of hypotheses is very rewarding to my tism
This was great, especially the point about fatigue. One thing my coach/physio said before assigning my program was that it can’t be so difficult that I can’t train too hard, but he made sure to test my abilities, figure out where my failure was and tell me to go 2-3 reps away from that.
The YMH/Dr. Mike crossover crowd loves that you have a Lenovo.
Looking forward to the Garth references.
The fact these videos all get posted when I get on break for work is a godsend. Cant wait to use my hypertrophy app for some gains in a couple short hours😏
Mentally, I'm with you. Counting the seconds. Is the app the utopian image that I see in my mind when he is explaining it, or is not "too good to be true"? Im on the fence, but in the last few days, I've been considering getting it
Wild ain’t it!!
Despite the odds, you’ve been connected to the right people💯
@@perfectstranger1152 it’s the best thing since sliced bread
7:00 onward, as physical therapist the prehab joke was funny. "nobody went to school for prehab" its kinda semantics though as u said full rom etc etc helps with injury prevention ...
Great video! Quite informative and insightful. Thanks! 🙏
Dr. Mike, I just want to let you know, that your Weight Training for Grappling video was great and I'd be happy to have a next one with advanced concepts like plyos, olys and block periodization.
"Pre-hab" ??? I made up that word to refer to the training I would do after being injured and before surgery to make the post-surgery rehab easier. The "pre-" referred to the surgery, not the injury. It sucks that others made up the same word to mean something a stupid as what you explained they mean by it. That's just training like you said, Mike.
The first person I have ever heard who wants his own dirigible. Dr. Mike you are priceless...thank you for these.
Hot take, Mike! And…you are spot on. As a former D1 athlete, can confirm the accuracy of what you had to say in this video for the most part. Bravo sir 👏🏼
I know the main focus of the channel is on muscle growth, but I'd love to Mike's thoughts on performance training for Iron Man and endurance athletes. I'm finding it tough to push hard in the gym (especially legs) when I have to run / cycle / swim all the time. I'm just an average guy, not an elite athlete though, so maybe I'm just not conditioned to do it both.
I'm finding it difficult to find an endurance channel that is as good as RP in explaining concepts so you can program your own, so I would also enjoy this kind of content.
Dr. Mike talked about this sort of thing in "Lifting vs. Cardio," where he discusses the extent to which hypertrophy training and various cardio/endurance activities can interfere with one another, as well as how to manage it.
You can’t go equally hard on everything. You have to take a phasic approach to your training: skills training, strength training, hypertrophy training, and endurance training. Pick what to prioritize while focusing on maintaining the rest.
Lift in the strength rep range full range of motion (use the technique that Dr. mike describes) Typically the simple compounds are best. Dumbell incline chest press and squats and pull ups. Keep it really simple if you are a triathlete, and the volume of strength training super low. Once a week.
If you do cardio your opinion on any topic is irrelevant.
New lighting. Looks great!
In addition to making injury LESS likely, proper strength training also tends to lessen injuries if they occur AND shorten rehab time.
I had a high school sprinter tear an ACL during basketball season (sometime mid Jan, IIRC). His prognosis was maybe start doing warm-ups with the track team around sectional time.
He was actually able to rehab quickly enough that he ran in 2 meets that season (he did, wisely I think, defer from running any hurdles, LOL), and then had complete soccer and XC seasons in the fall.
His recovery speed was credited entirely, by his ortho team, to his strength training prior to injury
Another excellent video thank you Dr. Mike and the whole RP team 🙏🏽
Would love to see more videos about periodization and integration of resistance training for athletes in non-lifting sports
This. Because I dont trust others 😆 Mike's not gonna do it or care though
I wish I knew about coach Mike when I was still hoopin in college and tryna go pro. This guy just breaks it down so simply even dummies can understand
Dr.Mike id absolutely love if you did more content ln S&C with athletes/general rather on RP or on your own new channel i think you have a lot of un tapped knowledge that alot of us would love to see/hear
Like this people if you agree, show him that we would love it 👍💯❤️
As a British F1 fan, I'd love to see you review Lewis Hamilton's and Lando Norris's training.
Max Verstappen tutududu
All of the F1 athletes are now so much leaner than before, and it's all about weight distribution in the car. All of them hit the minimum weight but the smaller you are the more they can re-arrange ballast in the car. It's gotten kind of unhealthy, Estaban ocon is ridiculously thin for his height, you can see that Danny Ricciardo looks more gaunt than in his RedBull days. You'd think the ideal racing driver is a short stocky guy, but they all look like Tour de France cyclists now.
The minimum combined weight was increased in 2017, IIRC.@@stuntmonkey00
@@stuntmonkey00A bunch of string beans with thick necks
Alonso doesnt look too skinny imo
That's why it's so hard to find people who are competent at S&C for fighting sports. You already have a couple bjj vids, but I think people would really appreciate it if also you do a couple of vids on strength and hypertrophy for MMA.
Great points Dr Mike!
Great presentation!!
Pick the right parents and you can succeed despite shitty or even no training. See: Bo Jackson.
Most coaches of celebrities snd athletes got to get they're at through nepotism, not qualifications.
The fatigue idea was my argument in comment sessions of some of your videos and I think it’s a very valid reason. I think very easy sessions can help with recovery as well.
Train hard in the off season and maybe early season depending on priorities. Squeeze in some strength and power stuff in season when you can for maintenance. And yes some of the stuff a few of them do is silly.
Also notice football plays 1x/week.
most of the best of the best athletes would all lift after games. Jarg would go insanely hard in workouts after games. Same for Zdeno Chara famously went insanely hard after games. Kobe too. There's tons of them.
@@TrevorHamberger For sure. To me 1, maybe 2 high intensity workouts depending on the schedule, makes the most sense. Even just once a week can do a lot to maintain or even gain strength.
One of your greatest lectures yet, very insightful
Dr mike, is there going to be a video about weightlifting/training for combat sports? More specifically MMA, kickboxing, bjj, etc. Love your work!
13:37 100% my gf was big runner and wanted to try weight lifting. She did go 4 times a week (upper/lower split) and she told me that running after a leg day is really hard and lifting after a running day is also hard. Generally she was always down, then she looked into periodization and now she does 2 Times full body and 2 running days. With each 1 day of.
Seriously lifting weights and then training a cardio heavy sport is not easy
I know specifically for track, partial reps in the top portion of a squat or deadlift has been connected to higher ground forces and top speed
I played D1 at 155 pounds. SEC. I also won state weightlifting meet twice (bench press, 40 yard dash, vertical, Brad jump, squat) and came in third national at the Arnold Schwarzenegger classic (clean and jerk / snatch)
We did NOT train like what I see from pro athlete. We trained hard AF and I legit had times in which I cried at 5 AM…
During the first three years, we had a HIGH level strength coach who eventually became a head NFL strength and conditioning coach. He knew his stuff. Every day sucked. And in improved significantly
During my senior year, we got a new coach. Workouts were not the same. He was a “yes man”. And let people do what they wanted. He wasn’t hard nose enough. You could see it on the field as well. Our guys were just smaller and slower. . He was fired two years later.
I think that becoming a pro changes things. Some workouts are not mandatory like they are in college. It’s all up to you. Most people don’t want to train. Same as athletes. We just have to in order to get an advantage. But once you become a pro, have money, and get a personal trainer, that trainer can become a “yes man”.
Dang! Nippard v. Israetel! Short kings unite! You boys should have a dunk contest!
Really interesting video! 🙏🏻
I’d love to see videos about how an athlete can periodize hypertrophic weight training in synergy with their endurance/cardio training, dynamic strength output training, and specific sport skills practice.
For example, I’m training for golf, a sport that at high levels of play needs a hybrid of skill, endurance, flexibility, speed, and power. I can already reach swing speeds of 120mph+ and launch the ball at 180mph, but I want to be able both maintain stamina all day/weekend as well as increase my maximum output. Bryson Dechambeau famously gained massive distance by increasing his mass in combination with overspeed training, but others, like Matt Fitzpatrick, have gained distance by overspeed training alone. Obviously training your body and mind to generate more power/speed in a particular movement is critical, but when your body has more muscle it will have higher capabilities of output that could be reached. So it’s better to have more muscle mass if you have muscles trained for a specific thing.
What are the best practices/principles to synergize hypertrophy training with the other aspects of sport training? What does a week, month, or mesocycle program look like, particularly in offseason training, when an athlete needs to balance and manage stamina fatigue and recovery for hypertrophy, endurance, and speed (sport specific dynamic output) trainings?
Obviously this will limit the total optimization of each individual aspect, like them sweet gainz or marathon winning endurance. But if the purpose is train for a sport activity that utilizes all these aspects in tandem, then the goal is to optimize the synergistic outcome of each at the same time. So the goal is to optimize the harmony of each aspect. What does training that harmony at or near optimum look like?
Golf and endurance, lol.
@@limitisillusion7nah fr i read that im like golf? Endurance? Enduring that walk to the ball
Any sport that a world champ came be 50+ in age, I question the athleticism.
@@User-54631 Until Phil accomplished something incredible, the oldest major winner in golf was basically the same age as the oldest players to win the championship in the MLB, NFL, NBA, and NHL.
Does Tom Brady make you question the athleticism of football? Once Satchel Paige was allowed in MLB he continued to pitch in the league until he was turning 60. Is baseball somehow therefore no longer athletic?
My comment doesn’t have to be about golf. It can be any sport that needs multiple aspects of training. As compared to training for a marathon where all that matters is your ability to run long and fast or weightlifting where all that matters is the ability to push more weight, other sports -like basketball and football as exampled in the video - take a hybrid of outputs that help support a particular skill.
Perhaps I should have just originally said basketball since Lebron is such a focus in this video. I assume nobody questions the athleticism of basketball.
What does it look like to synergize the skill and conditioning training of a sport like basketball with weightlifting training? How does one optimally incorporate these elements into the totality of training?
If basketball isn’t athletic enough then how about baseball, soccer, or football? Lacrosse, hockey, rugby, MMA, I don’t care. At some point there’s a sport people can agree needs a combination of endurance, strength, and skill. What are the best practices for training these elements concurrently?
beating the morning snake or playing fn reqs more athleticsm then golf how dare u compare golf to real mans sports ur father would be ashamed@@HeavenlyFloodofRegen
Before he passed, John Meadows was training Lane Johnson and some of the Eagles offensive linemen in the off-season. That was so good to see.
This channel is a gold mine
In rowing there's a saying "rowing is a rowing sport", but on a recent interview the former team GB strength coach said that the data showed a very good correlation between an athlete's back squat and bench pull with better rowing machine times. - machines don't float, but it sure as hell is important to be quick on them.
Even as an amateur athlete getting in the Weight room has made my times significantly better
I just take away that I might be a pro athlete (cause I suck at weight training)
11:20 dont forget the third use of the computer, to watch videos that doesnt align with one of the commandments.
The follow-up to the comments I've been waiting for.
Speaking of the 1930s ,it would be cool if Doc Mike would critique some of the old vidoes of famous lifters like Paul Anderson one arm press, Sandow, Grimek, and others
OH!!!! Yes! Please!!!
I had the real pleasure of working at Loprinzi's Gym in Portland, Oregon.
The dazzling Grandpas - regular guys who just kept lifting ( even with old-fashioned ideas ) -
were/are my inspiration!
It's interesting that in the US, the pro athlete is in charge of their own strength and conditioning training. In Australia, the team employs coaches and outside of a couple of months in the offseason, players are essentially required to do the club's plan, which usually modulates load in the group as a whole, as well as each individual.
That was a weird part of the video. Teams have sizable and well paid physical training staffs. It really just is someone like Lebron, who has a ton of money, that is going to have his own chef, trainer, and who knows what else.
What are your thoughts on too much upper body work fucking up athletes who are high skill with their hands?
I've heard of some like hockey players and stuff who dont want to mess with that getting super thick and stiff wrist from like heavy bench etc
Sounds like bs, if you train properly you should have better coordination unless you start bulking 100 pounds and taking roids
This video reinvigorated my passion for lifting
Make a video breaking down how Michael Jordan trained with Tim Grover and your thoughts
I WAS EXPECTING A GAMING CHAIR.
Some of the concepts that you covered under fatigue conservation are probably a big reason. Strength training is only one factor in athletic performance and in many sports and in specific positions, a professional athlete may have higher priorities for their training such as individual skills training, team systems training (i.e. team on-field practice), cardio (aerobic conditioning and/or anaerobic conditioning depending on the sport), flexibility, plus time in the film room (not physical but still takes up time). Add all of this on top of travel, playing in games, media engagement and family time, and a typical pro athlete is stretched for time and energy.
Mike.. when will the app be available in the UK?
I did track at the largest university in the country. I can tell you the reason we didn’t get the most out of our lifts was because of the fatigue factor damaging our ability to practice our event at 100%. Tough balancing act when your coach is breathing down your neck to perform in a “what have you done for me lately” culture
I definitely get the impression that Steven Pinker is a joke even amongst his peers so bringing him up is weak sauce.
Yes, you are correct. Pinker has received heavy criticism, especially for that book.
The Lebron stuff is so wild man. One of the greatest athletes of our generation and he's doing a.... Quarter side squat thing with a 20lb dumbbell? Like what? Especially compared to someone like Giannis whose weight training stuff is insane.
Because in baskeball you don't need a full ROM training for the vertical jump. A quarter squat in the only part of the ROM used for explosive movement, vertical jump and so on. It's a know fact, by the way.
that 1920's voice has me in tears. Another great video by Dr Mike.
Reminds me of a reverse version of this: David Goggins training Tony Ferguson (UFC fighter)
Conditioning and endurance has never been Tony's problem.
Dr. Mike, you’re genuinely a person I look up to. Your intelligence and charisma shines through these videos and I can’t believe we get this info for free.
Please never stop uploading videos. I’d wanna hear you just shit talk on a wide range of random topics too because I enjoy your takes that much.
Thanks for changing my outlook on training and life in general. You’re helping a young dude become a better man fr ❤
It's because the athlete's main focus is the sport itself. If they have DOMS for 4 days and it affects their sport focused sessions, that to them is a backwards step.
Especially true for cycling. If a cyclist can't hit the required power numbers for subsequent workouts all because they have DOMS, they're naturally going to shy away from leg day....As I'm writing this, I just heard 'fatigue conservation'
Absolutely. Mike just believes that the net benefit of the athlete workouts he’s reviewed on his channel could be a lot better for their specific sport without added fatigue.
There is such thing as off season training. The maintenance training as well as specific sport training take over during the season.
There are also sports that are generally very good at strength training e.g. Rugby Union, check out 'Tuilagi brothers'. But all modern day Pro rugby players have a high level of strength training (even players from a past era e.g. Andrew Sheridan had olympic level powerlifting numbers). Rugby League was ahead of Rugby Union mainly because they went professional first.
Obviously NFL is another example.
Athletes are often focused on speed and agility as much as strength. I'm sure there is room for improvement with athlete's weight training, but seems like big assumption here that the workouts for hypertrophy and power lifting will improve (or at least don't hurt) the speed and agility which are so critical for success. My acedotal experience is that big weight training rarely correlates to athletic huge improvement in basketball, soccer, etc.
Yes! I'd love to a bball comp between Mike and Jeff Nippard. The thought of it made me burst out laughing hard 😂🤣😂
do a video on James Harrison's the football player workouts !!
So I've been around pro athletes training weights/conditioning it's all over the place with many doing far from optimal. I was also a division 1 athlete and while more generally "better" it wasn't great. Division 1 had a program but generally overtraining was the program (only guys that did well in the program had a pharmacologic advantage). 40 working sets of legs per week plus running and plyometrics. You rant so well.
This video seems to have left me with a bit of a problem.. I love the channel and it means that I have become extremely good at completly screwing myself up at every gym session I have. As a result, I have seen huge increases in my size and strength (despite being 43 and natural). But my main sport is climbing, which I like to do at least twice a week (Tuesdays and Saturdays minimum) all year round.
So now that I am sore for 4 days after every gym session, how do I set my training up so that I can be both a climbing god and jacked AF?? Most of my gym sessions try to be antagonistic training to the climbing (which works a lot of biceps and upper back) and I don't want gigantic legs because they are fucking heavy and difficult to pull up a cliff. Answers in a 'how to fit gym training in around other sports' video please :)
Doesn't he say? Like. Minimum effective volume I guess. Perhaps one reps in Reserve Session one other session. Do pull those legs up there. Don't be just a climber.
I guess I’m not very good at holding back now. I want to see the gains, but still want to climb hard within a day or two
Dr Mike has a video on balancing Jiu-Jitsu and weight training that is applicable to climbing. Should help you like it did me. th-cam.com/video/f8Vhi7SuFe8/w-d-xo.html
Being a climbing god and jacked AF are mutually exclusive if your at the far end of the spectrum of either of them.
Bulk and body weight negatively affect climbing.
You have to make trade offs on one or the other. So you might have to dial back on the weights to improve your climbing or vice versa, depending on what you want to prioritise.
There’s no magic solution to be able to do both at the maximum at the same time.
This sounds like an auto-regulation issue. If you don't feel recovered by the next time you need to work out (either resistance training or climbing), then drop a set in that exercise next time. Ultimately, if you're having recovery issues, there's going to be a trade-off between training for hypertrophy and training for climbing.
eric bugenhagen
More videos about athletes and athleticism!!!
Dr mike, just curious , but how much American football and basketball do you watch? Who are your teams?
I have player experience with the NCAA and NBA. I can tell that basketball is not so much about strength but agility, mobility, and certain movements, and this is how LeBron trains. Jump rope, push-ups, and a lot of band exercises. This sort of thing. 80 % of the training is basketball-specific, such as jump shots, dribbling, free throws, left shoulder, 3-point, up & under, etc. It usually ends with mobility. We once met a Chinese Olympic weightlifter who was able to jump higher than us because jumping is apparently part of the Chinese weightlifting exercises, which honestly shocked me... So, yeah. There is room for improvement, for sure. It is also true that fatigue and injury risks are not just bullet points. It's a huge topic, not just in basketball.
Olympic weightlifting cleans and snatches require crazy explosive power so it makes sense that some of them have impressive vert
Yeah, people would also be surprised how many athletes hate weight training and enjoy playing sports if you can believe it or not 😂
It all circles back to periodization. There's a time and place for sport specific exercises and there's also a time and place for high intensity strength training.
Facts basketball strength is pretty low on the totem pole when it comes to performance attributes
Good video Doc. I also wanted to suggest that there are certain athletes that play positions e.g. corner/receivers in football where getting absolutely bodybuilder type jacked won’t necessarily make them better at their position. I say this in the case where a lot of these guys are genetic freaks that are the prototypical, build muscle by looking at weights. As someone who grew up as an elite sprinter, lifting to get huge traps and capped delts actually made me slower. I agree in most scenarios that proper muscle building is a net positive for performance
Then they should train for strength, as opposed to hypertrophy, but everything he's saying still applies.
Yes build for strength, and the best reciever will be imitated in body shape and speed. So, it would be dependant on type corner or reciever, some are vertical threat or are they speed on the angel threat.
No one said to make them bodybuild but strength training is a must
I'm commenting in a bodybuilding channel. Also building strength = building muscle :)@@yoeyyoey8937
Can we define what is "hard" and "not hard" training in this context? Like I assume we don't expect the same intensity from middle of the season/towards playoffs in something like NFL or whatever, than we expect from off-season training or bodybuilder in their most intense phase. So what's our comparison line and context, what is the standard we expect? Are we talking about better effort but lighter training during that competing season's tight spot and that's what we call hard training, giving good effort depending on the context?
Can make a video showing a theoretical hyperpertroohy program that could be used in crossfit for normal crossfitters who want to get big - pros, cons, etc
I have a friend he was a pro soccer player. he was always lifting small weights like doing leg presses with 1 plate on each side because his coach told him not to lift heavy cuz he would get injured. His teammate kicked him in the knee and he broke his patella in half during soccer training. Now he sells air conditioners. Coaches are the worst fearmongers... People also dont understand that you don't need to lift like a powerlifter or a strongman to get decent hypertrophy and strength gains. Just lift decent weights with good technique on the lifts that would carry over to your spesific sport. Really not that scary...
So if he put more plates on, his patella wouldn’t have broke in half? Alternatively, if he listened to the coach, he could have used the time to become more educated so when his career was cut short he’d have more to fall back on. These are mainly jokes.
But seriously, People also don’t need to have hypertrophy as a goal, that way it doesn’t negatively affect their performance getting used to the new body proportions.
@@robertt9342 I was trying to say that generally athletes get injured during their sport spesific training or in competetions.
As for hypertrophy, depending on the sport or the role you are playing you want to have more muscle not for just functional strenght but also for presence in the field. You dont want to get pushed around and bullied in the field. I'm not talking about gaining 20lbs of muscle but more like losing some fat and adding some muscle while having a similar bodyweight. If the athlete is already at low fat% i dont see any reason why gaining 10lbs of muscle would be bad.
In the end your body proportions mostly decided by what you eat. You wont get huge by mistake just with added weight training.
I did kickboxing for a while. Not in a serious manner , for fun. Not looking to compete. Soccer is ridiculous in comparison. So many injuries, you hear more and more gruesome injury stories from soccer than from literal combat sports😂
Yo Dr. Mike, maybe this is not very interesting for your YT audience, but I would be interested in an example of how lifting can be sensibly periodized into an athletes training plan so that a transfer into the actual sport becomes noticeable as you often suggest
He did a video a while back about weight training and bjj, a lot of that is probably true for any sport
@@binyaming7921 thanks!
Would love to know how to implement it into Cycling
Not possible to give this away for free. There are plenty of books giving a vague answer. Cycling has Colin Friel. Nice program there… but it is worthless without considering your actual personal situation.
@@Xplora213I guess you actually wanted to refer to Joe Friel 🙂 and thanks for the recommendation
Cool channel
Would be great to see some videos on the different eras of body building and how they transitioned. Like bronze to silver the bench press etc
Yes, cover the physique evolution- bronze, silver, gold. Or big names in lifting from each era, like Paul Anderson, etc.
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For the top level ones that look awkward in the gym, it could also be that they are used to being efficient with their physicality. When you get up out of a chair, do you use only your legs to do so for maximal quad activation, or do you also use your hands to assist? The same concept could apply for how they train. Lebron will not do a proper, full range squat before jumping during a game, nor will he do a full range calf raise. He is doing what works in the court and what works is what's efficient. A general basis behind weight training is often to do what you are training for, but making it harder. You are purposely being inefficient with your movement in order to condition your body to handle more. Some of these super athletes may have a difficult time not being really efficient with their movement.
Interesting
this seems suspiciously on the verge of pseudoscience and exactly what dr mike was going against in this video.
Tom Hardy: best at the sport of mumbling and having an intimidating on screen presence.
Lol he really does mumble a lot
Nice stuff Doctor Mike
Jalen Hurts (QB) squats 600lbs. So like you mentioned it is only some that don’t know what they’re doing
The biggest issue I think is famous coaches who have the “secret” - and once you get one good guy, you get more.
To get the good guys you have to have a point of difference. If your point of difference is just squats, cleans, hinge, press, pull you don’t sell many programs. It’s boring, and it can’t be that easy can it?
They’ve got the money, so why not pay for exclusive training that NOBODY else knows about.
I also think you're going to see a lot of variance pending upon sport and position.
If I'm a point guard I cam see thinking my time is better spent taking an additional 1000 3pt shots to get better at that than losing weights. Whereas if I was a center holding up to the strength of other guys pushing and against me is far more practical.
If I'm a quarterback and I can either work on strengthening my body so I'm less likely to get hurt or work on my footwork and processing so I don't get hit in the first place is a pretty fine line.
Over a full period, different sports and positions within sports will look different. Thats called specificity. But the weight training/strength training element of all programmes, should look the same (relatively), that is to say whatever the optimum way to improve strength is.
@@dereksmith5934 That's not true though, Read the book transfer of training by Anatoliy Bondarcuk who was an olympic champion hammer thrower and one of the greatest soviet olympic strength coaches of all time. His book shows very clear examples of sports specific movements being much more effective then just general weight lifting practice for all sports. He designed Alexander Karelins strength and conditioning routine and Alexander credited the way he trained in that way to being the reason he was so successful in Greco Roman wrestling and you can see he is doing hyper specific resistance movements that match the ranges of motion in his sport and very little general strength movements.
I think most sports positions are variable enough that high athleticism (which results from weight training) will count for a lot. But you’re going to want someone who really knows what tf they’re doing helping to balance skill work, improving athleticism, and overall game practice, not just for your position but you in particular.
Basketball players strength training is an off season activity. In season is maintenance because….you go lift hard, you play poorly due to soreness, fatigue and lack of flexibility….you play bad in practice in games…you get benched, traded, or don’t get signed
i think nolan ryan is a great example of using weights as a preventatory maintence sort of process.
NFL strength coach once said objective of weight training is to keep athletes maintaining their performance and staying injury free.
Athletes to one side, I still can't get over Brie Larson's workout.
Marky Mark though
@@robertt9342 Yeah, that one hurt.
Can you do a reaction or analysis of Tim Grover. He was Michael Jordan's strength and condition trainer, among various other NBA superstars. He had a more traditional approach to weight training than the average NBA strength and conditioning trainers. I am really curious what you think of his methodics.
I started getting into fitness because of the "marvel look" and was obsessed with being lean and getting abs. Then I discovered the joy of having my bench numbers go up and now marvel bodies look puny to me. Bear mode is awesome. You'll feel great and strength numbers go way up.
I think a big thing tho is, most sports don't really require weight training, it requires more cardio and sport specific skills. Let's say soccer for instance, pure strength isn't that important, basketball doesn't require a ton of strength. Weightlifting is a high risk high reward for strength/estetics because even if we all agree it's not great, we all ego lift for the soul :) (=more risk for injury).
The truth is that a lot of sports and life doesn't really require strength, stamina and technique is way more relevant for most sports
Rate of force development (explosiveness) would improve performance in all those sports and can be trained in the weight room.
many sports doesn’t require pure strength doesn’t mean strength isn’t important. Many world class soccer players doing strength training and at least for strikers , when you shoot from a distance that requires so much strength
@@yumry2999 that doesn't really require crazy amount of strength, for most sports, the strength you gain by just playing the sport is good enaugh. Ofc strength training helps, but it's just not as important as actually learning the sport in itself, and in most sports, the stamina.
@@exclamaforte never put in question, it can be, it doesn't need to be. Also, for most exercises you have alternative that are easily good enaugh, for the upper body, climbing is good enaugh for every sport tbh as a calisthenics exercise, for legs actually playing a game is leg training, rapid changes of movement are actually quite heavy on your legs and could be considered calisthenics. Like I said, you can for sure go for the weights, not a question, but most people prefere more fun alternatives (e.g. some activity)
@@fischi9129 Good enough is not gonna cut it whenever you're an elite. You need to be stronger and faster than your competitionm