Sickly Mockingbird - A Song of Ice and Fire Theory
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- "The seed is strong." Did Jon Arryn's last words really mean what Ned thought they did? How far back does Littlefinger's manipulation go? Is Sweetrobin really who we think he is?
This video contains spoilers up to and including Season 4 of Game of Thrones and A Storm of Swords (Book 3). It also contains hot memes. Don't burn your tongue.
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Pycelle misheard Jon Arryn. What he really said is "the WEED is strong". Which of course refers to Jon's blazer 420 lifestyle
In fact, the weed was so good it was seedless.
@@glanni strong female strain for sure, Pycelle was also mistaken about the book he lend arryn it was actually a grower's guide to the ultimate arryn strain that gets you high as ned starks honor
@@Eleusis No wonder Ned and Robert were loyal to Jon Arryn; he was their guy.
Btw the Vale is an excellent place to grow that stuff because the cool weather pushes it to produce more of the resin. Nowhere in Westeros do they have a culture like there.
And the lemon cakes? There is a reason Sansa likes them so much. She thinks it's the lemon, but it's actually what's in the dough that makes them so funky. Just sayin.
@@glanni imagine for a moment what ned stark was doing in the godswood all the time. My read through the first book has been quite a while ago but I think it is mentioned how annoying it was how much time Ned would spend in the godswood. Told from the perspective of caitlyn of course since she would rather have some quality time with ned.
All the while he is smoking out beneath the weirwood tree. Would be a hilarious resync for the show
Sansa stark high on lemon cake confirmed
@@Eleusis Besides, now that you mention time with wife and such, Jon Arryn naturally was too high on vale dope 24/7 to even have sex, an old man like him doesn't feel too active when he's baked as sh!t, so no kids from him, probably.
Lol Ned not missing a single 420 during his married life is the best theory lmao.
Cat btw definitely stays away from the Stranger's lettuce, and that very thc-heavy old gods dope scares her, she doesn't even feel like Ned truly only belongs to her because he's kinda religious about his smokes.
When Robert Baratheon visited Ned they immediately went for a nice blaze in the crypts, which is sometimes for when Starks want to go "dude I met my ancestors" levels of trippy. Weirdo Robert of course wants to puff one with his best bud next to Lyanna's grave.
This does make the Alayne story kinda a fun ironic twist of itself! Sweet Robin wants to marry Alayne, but Alayne tells him that it isn’t proper for a noble like him to marry a bastard. If Sweet Robin is Littlefinger’s son, then that statement becomes true, but in the opposite direction. Alayne, who is the actual noble Sansa posing as Littlefinger’s daughter, couldn’t marry the bastard Sweet Robin, who is actually Lysa and Littlefinger’s bastard son.
Plus, Littlefinger is poisoning his own real son to help his fake daughter to rise to power in the vale. His fake daughter who is also the real daughter of his real son's mother's sister.
Right? Like how Jon tells Arya in the first book that he can't spar with Joffrey because "bastards aren't supposed to beat princelings".
George is a sneaky fella.
@@abrarbwThis was actually a pretty cool find
And Littlefinger is an evil John Redcorn
"Jon could no more give me pleasure, than he could give me children" - Lysa Tully
"So that means that he must have given her NO childeren" - Glidus
"OR it means he gave her precisely ONE PLEASURE" - Me, an intellectual
Which would that be, the pleasure of being killed by her poison?
Yes, one pleasure please
@@jeannebouwman1970 "I'll have what she's having."
Jon gave Lysa one (1) orgasm and got scared so he never did it again.
ESL here, what does that mean?
If this is true then Littlefinger is poisoning his own son to take power in the Vale. Poor Sweet Robin is just another rung on the laddah.
Everyone is just another rung.
I disagree, you are w-rung
I think it's even more horrifying that Sansa is letting him get away with it. I guess she did already let him get away with murdering her Aunt so maybe it's not actually that surprising.
@@dookieshoe2905 Book Sansa doesn't seem to understand that yet if you look at her Alayne chapters. She is too preoccupied with other stuff than interrogating the exact medical importance of LF making sure that Robin is getting too much medicin. And why wouldn't she trust a measter giving her cousin medicin, in her mind if it was actually too much, surely he'd stop. Measters (not even Pycelle, since she had littel to do with him) have proven to her of being trustworthy as the only one she had a lot of contact with was Luwin.
@@TemariNaraannaschatz
Hope she saves the poor kid, getting poisoned by (potentially) his own father is pretty messed up
The first time I read the books I thought this immediately. I have never seen anyone agree with me enough to make a TH-cam vid about it though. You the real mvp
Yeah I think it's one of those ideas a lot of us have on our first read but it never really gets talked about, or at least from what I've seen. And really I just wanted to make videos about things not many people are talking about.
That's funny because I always assumed that's what everyone believed.
There are always these theories that come to your mind while reading but there arent any videos about them.
For me it is melisandre using davos fingerbones to create a davos illusion.
He lost them after blackwater and she casually mentions them (or at least finger bones in general) to jon while talking about the illusion with mance.
It could just be her thinking of an example but i feel as if she has either used them before to disguise somebody, maybe even herself, as davos to convince stannis of something or is still planning on doing so. Or she may have used it to help manderly execute a davos look a like so that it would be more convincing.
Or to get even more tinfoily (even though everything is probably just a red hering): maybe davos died at blackwater and the davos after that is somebody else?
Ok that is absolutely not the case but i still hooe that there is something behind melisandres line
@@quanyintv I read the books after seeing most of the show, so I never thought to look deeper into the mystery until my second reading. I was constantly confused about the fostering situation for Robert, but after hearing this theory and doing the reread it all makes sense. Plus, it's a little weird to launch a covert investigation into the legitimacy of your foster child's children based on hair color alone. But when you consider his own "son," and all the fertility issues he's come across, his suspicion of his own son makes a lot more sense.
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Lysa's obsession with protecting Robin makes more sense if she sees him as a little Petyr.
Damn I can't believe both king Robert and his hand were cucked
Funny how many bastards there seem to be in the series.
With Robert it was more of an open marriage thing considering both parties infidelity.
@acooknamed_Rishi While I do agree, my point was more that cucked is when someone you like or are interested in have sex with others, but Robert hated Cersei and he himself was a cheating little rascal.
With how many bastards Robert had you can hardly say he was truly cucked
And if we remember the theory saying Robb is Brandon's son with Catelyn, then Jon, Robert and Ned are the horned trio!
Completely on board with Sweet Robin being Littlefinger's but I don't know if but into Lysa giving herself Tansy Tea or Moon Tea as her miscarriages are heavily implied to be part of what's driven her crazy and indeed her very first one was also heavily applied to be traumatizing for her.
home-made self-administered abortions strike me as perfectly capable of being deeply traumatising
@@Glidusas opposed to those fancy doctor abortions!
her father gave it to her without her knowledge. she wouldn't participate in off'ing her own child
Shrewd and hilarious - kind of a crossbreeding of Preston, Alt-Schwift and John Oliver, but with its own style as well. Keep 'em coming!
Yeah I'm pretty sure this is the highest praise I've ever received for anything ever. Cheers.
Glidus Why don't You like Preston??
Don't you dare compare this man to the hack John Oliver.
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@@Palmen1990someone compared me to John Oliver in high school and it still hurts
The way Petyr’s eyes just darted across the screen was magical
Practically a da Vinci level artwork.
Maybe when Jon Arryn said the seed is Strong, maybe he really really wanted to tell Robert about the Dance of the Dragons, and how Jacaerys, Lucerys, and Joffrey Velaryon were actually the sons of Harwin Strong. It makes sense, since he was studying genealogy and bastards, hmm?
Or what you said. That works too.
Came for the season 8 pisstakes, stay for the ASOIAF theory videos! Keep up the good work m8!
*Robin Arryn, Lord 'o Calcium!*
Me as well
"Incest helps us deal with our father's neglect"
lol
trust me it's healthy
@@The_Gerry_Man only if your Persian!
Yo. I'm 100% sold on Sweet Rob being Littlefinger's twisted, stunted spawn. Makes perfect sense!
This also explains the weird little controversy over where Robert was to be fostered, with Lannisters or with Stannis on Dragonstone. Just before the trial by combat at the Eyrie in AGOT, a septon or a Maester tells Catelyn that Robert was to be fostered with Stannis on Dragonstone, the very same Stannis who accompanied Jon Arryn on his little genetics field study with Robert’s Bastards. They were likely preparing for a major case against both Lysa and Cersei for having had Bastards/committing adultery and needed Robert “Arryn” safely away from Lysa and Littlefinger
Omg great point!
Woaah
God dammit, this really makes sense!!!😱😱😱😱😱😱
Ma boy Stannis gotta speak up on this in Winds
I just read this chapter today and that line had me so confused because it was obvious that Maester Colemon’s remarks were important. I couldn’t tell what that controversy over Sweetrobin’s proposed fostering was supposed to be hinting at.
I mean is it really just a theory, when Lysa basically told Sansa to her face that she didn't have children from Jon Arryn?
Can't believe this is not more talked about. Its more believable than half the theories fans have but this is the only channel I've seen discuss it
Where was this?
When did she say this?
@@thalmoragent9344 "Jon could no more give me pleasure, than he could give me children" Lysa Arryn...
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I see, I guess unless she meant it was a one time thing she could've had kids with him, them Robin is a bastard. Granted, he's being poisoned by my understanding, and with Little Finger dead in the show, seems the crime of Paternity Fraud won't be long lasting, as that bloodline too will end.
Like some vengeful justice in a way
"You see, copulation is a ladder."
A ladder with Phallic Rungs
Would actually make a lot of sense, also explains why Littlefinger has John poisoned seemingly randomly, he surely wouldn't care that Jon was on to the Lannisters.
If I recall correctly Jon was going around looking for Roberts bastards as well? Why would he do that if he wasnt onto the lannisters
LF convinces Lysa to poison her husband and then instructs her to send a letter to Winterfell blaming the Lannisters. What does this have to do with Sweet Robin? People make this way more complicated than it needs to be, "the seed is strong" is plainly in reference to the Baratheons dominate genetics.
@@dookieshoe2905 In defence of this theory I always liked to think that LF knew JA was looking into Cersei's kids and Roberts bastards but he was also using The "Lineages and Histories of the Great Houses of the Seven Kingdoms" as a reference. But then again it documents ALL the Great Houses so when he makes the connection between Roberts Bastards being his only children its not entirely out of the realm of possibility that JA then goes "Hmm, lets look at my family. Oh, what's this? A crap load of Blond Haired Blue eyed Arryns of considerably strong build. Then how come my son ticks none of those boxes?" and LF 100% couldn't afford to fuck up so he convinces Lysa to kill him and then capitalizes off the following events to the best of his ability
@@youcantkeeprunninginandout7240 That actually does make sense, I still don't think it's what JA meant but it does work.
@@dookieshoe2905 I do agree that he was probably only talking about the royal kids but I'll die on the Hill that Sweetrobin is is actually a Baelish
6:40 although most traits are carried by a large number of genes of small effect, so resemblance within a family is low.... facial features are controlled by just a few genes of strong effect, so "the seed is strong" for them. It's hypothesized that one purpose of human facial variability is to help us recognize kin, so this genetic architecture may have evolved to allow us to do that. One of the 2018 Fisher memorial lectures, available on youtube, goes into it.
Even if the alien egg thing isn't accurate, the Mockingbird symbolism still stands. The Arryn's sigil is also a bird. That could be interpreted as either Robin, a Mockingbird pretending to be a falcon, or Littlefinger, a Mockingbird pretending to be a falcon via breeding with the female falcon (Lysa is technically an Arryn now after all).
It isn't accurate, loved the video until that piece of just objectively false information. They are a target of one of the more famous brood parasites, but they don't do it themselves.
Or better, a mockingbird trying to pretend to be a fish via fucking it. Flawless.
I wanted the show to end with an after credit scene of Sweet Robin running through the throne room in the Vale and trip and fall through the moon door to his death.
Why? Sweet Bobby A is a good kid.
If this is true it makes Peter even more of a terrible person when you consider he's planning on murdering sweetrobin to put Harry in his place 😭😭
"I spent way too long researching real world effects of incest for this" -LOLOLOL
Walter White: "I am the one who knocks!"
Littlefinger: "Pleased to meet you. I am the one who cucks."
It's a fun theory and I want to believe mostly based on Sweet Robin's physical appearance. But didn't Lysa tell Petyr "I would have given you *a* son too, but they murdered him"? It seems like at the very least she doesn't know lil robbo is Petyr's..
She said that let's make another baby like Robin
Reading A Game of Thrones, Catelyn VI,I noticed that the Vale and its landmarks are like both male and female reproductive systems.
The Mountain Road leads to the Bloody gate.The gate is described as two watchtowers
joined by a covered bridge over the road.
To me this is describing the female reproductive system, the two towers connected
over the road symbolizing the ovaries. The original gate was said to be a a rough-hewn unmortared wall built in the fashion of the ringforts of the First Men.
It was then replaced by the current gate during the Age of Heroes, and its said that a dozen armies smashed themselves to bits upon it giving it its name, the Bloody Gate.
This would symbolize a young girl's flowering to maidenhood.
Beyond that is the Vale itself, which is some of the most fertile land in Westeros. This
symbolizes the womb. A fertile womb
At the Gates of the Moon there is a moat. This is where it switches to the male part of the theory.
Over the moat, the Gates of the Moon is described as a 'stout castle that stood at the
foot of the Giants Lance'. I think GRRM is having a bit of fun here and is describing a fat arse.
Further on at the base of the mountain the first waycastle is called Stone (can you see where im going here?)
The path to Stone(balls) from the Gates of the Moon(arse) is covered by forest.
....The trees pressed close, leaning over the path to make a rustling green roof that shut out even the moon, so it seemed as though they were moving up a long black tunnel. Catelyn VI aGoT
Stone is surrounded by a stone wall topped with iron spikes and has two fat round towers.
I think Stone should be called 'Stones'.
The mountain itself is called the Giants Lance which i dont think needs explaining.
At the top of the Giants Lance is the start of a waterfall called Alyssa's Tears. It's named for
Alyssa Arryn who saw her whole family murdered in front of her and never shed a tear.
After her own death, the gods cursed her that she would not know rest until her tears
reached the Vale of Arryn, where all those she had loved were buried.
Alyssa's Tears, comes down from such a height, that the water turns into mist before it
ever reaches the Vale.
I believe Alyssa's curse is the reason that House Arryn is plagued by stillbirths
miscarriages,infant deaths and mothers dying in the birthing bed.
The waters of the Giants Lance(male) never fertilizes the fertile Vale(female) below.
There isnt a lot of info on house Arryn but the other Arryns that lived away from the Eyrie seemed to
have no problems conceiving children and had quite big families.
The Arryn children who did survive may have been born or conceived away from the Eyrie, like Sweetrobin.
They may have been conceived in winter when the Arryns descend the mountain to winter at the Gates of the Moon.(mabye the Arryn words should have been "Winter is Cumming")
There is a line in Alayne I AFFC...."I won't have him here. You send him back down. I
never said that he could come. Not here.The Eyrie is imPREGnable, Mother said."
in the paperback i have,the 'preg 'part of the word is italicized for some reason. It's the
same in Alayne II...."No one can hurt me so long as I stay here. The Eyrie is imPREGnable."
I cant find it printed this way in any other chapter.
Holy shit. That is some goddamn advanced innuendo. Nicely put.
lol. I was going to include the blue veined white marble thats in the Eyrie....
AGOT Tyrion V...The High Hall of the Arryns was long and austere, with a forbidding coldness to its walls of blue-veined white marble, but the faces around him had been colder by far.......
But that might be a step to far and may say more about my mind than it does about the theory..... time to take a long, hard look at myself.
Did you really have to say "long" and "hard"
Maybe it's not just your mind mate
U and GRRM deserve each other 😂
"It was then replaced by the current gate during the Age of Heroes, and its said that a dozen armies smashed themselves to bits upon it giving it its name, the Bloody Gate"
*B R A ZZ E R S*
Jon was trying to say Sneed’s seed and feed is going strong. He had been watching the simpsons…
This is possible but I doubt it for a few reasons. First Jon Arryn and Stannis were investigating Robert's bastards including Gendry and Barra. Jon died after reading the lineage book where it was shown that all previous marriages between Lannisters and Baratheons resulted in black hair. As far as we know there wasn't a previous marriage between Houses Tully and Arryn to compare Robin to. Next, Robert Arryn has blue eyes like Jon and Lysa rather than Petyr's grey-green eyes and his brown hair could have come from Hoster Tully who had brown hair in his youth (Catelyn XI in AGoT, Catelyn V in ACoK). Also Petyr was never described as sickly and during Lysa's breakdown where she confessed to killing her husband she doesn't say that Robert is Petyr's son. Research has shown that children born to older fathers have more medical issues including an increased risk of seizures which Robert seems to have (www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4372).
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It's like I knew all of this, but never really thought about it. That symbolism at the end was great too
So nobody pulls out? Is that the true song of ice and fire?
only a 16 year old teenager thinks that pulling out actually works.
have fun with your first unintentional child.
Nah, Lancel pulls out of Cersei when doing her
@@sam-psonsmith9951 THANKyou. My 28-year old best friend still thinks of the "pull-out" method as a form of contraception 🤦♀️
I always thought he was trying to say"The seed is wrong." referring to Jofferry being a bastard, but either people misheard him or Maester Pycell was purposely misinterpreting his words.
the thing you said in the end makes total sense, just remember that the sigil of house arryn is also a bird
I honestly think it's true. Who could pass on this sort of convoluted dynamic we have going on in the vale?
If Sweet Bobby A. is indeed an poison abortion survivor, that would explain how he survives lethal doses of Sweetsleep.
2:14
My "Oh" came at the same time. That was cool.
But that doesn't explain a point: why littlefinger tries to kill his OWN son and make an adult man lord paramount of the vale instead of ruling the vale through a child? And also, Jon Arryn had a few child who never passed childhood.
So, i bet the reason Jon Arryn was looking at the book was for his own or LF's lineage and came across the Baratheans by accident. The murder might have been defensive just like Bran's push.
That could be the case. Really LF just needed to give Lysa a reason to kill Jon so he could start manipulating Ned. So LF pushes Jon to investigate either Joffrey or Sweetrobin, and Jon figures out both. We know that it was Stannis who brought his suspicions about Joffrey to Jon though, so it seems more likely that LF pushed Stannis towards the twincest and Jon just figured out Sweetrobin on his own. I don't think Petyr would have wanted Jon to investigate Sweetrobin, as doing so would endanger his own life.
the cartoons are really good. wish there was at least one audiobook with animations or a cartoon tv series that was just based on the books.
I don't know why people make the "seed is strong" line more complicated than necessary. It is clearly in reference to Baratheon genetics being dominant. Sweet Robin being Littlefingers son is still possible either way so why would George include it? It just seems like a pretty big stretch and way more convoluted than necessary. In this case the most obvious answer is the right one.
I have a bit of a different theory. Although I do believe that Robin is Peters son and that Jon Arryn was killed for knowing the truth, I believe it was a different truth. In the show, we get the reference that all of the Baratheon children were of dark hair, in other words, the seed is strong. This is why Peter helped Ned in his investigation. Just as he said , chaos is the ladder and I personally believe that he had the necessary foresight to see the possibility of the conflict that would later be known as The War of the Five Kings and that his fathering of Robin Arryn was nothing more than means to an end.
So your theory is confirming what Ned believed? Well, yeah. They ‘Yellow Haired **its’ are definitely bastards!
As for Robyn being Petyr’s, it is the kind of thing JRRM likes to write, but I hope not for the boy’s sake. He’s got plenty of problems as is.
I actually completely believe it. However, I have read a theory that Jon Arryn had VD from his younger, wilder days (he was more Bobby B than Ned), which resulted in fertility issues. And VD can cause pregnancy loss (like our world syphilis). So it would even more tragic for Lysa. She was forced to purge her love child and then married off to an old man whose disease killed all subsequent babies. And if her fertility was impacted by tansy too, then it was a double whammy. I don't think she would've gotten rid off any babies from her own will - she feels resentful of Cat that her babies were born and lived. The hatred would've been more inward if she was to bame? I can see Petyr convincing her to do it, but I think she would've mentioned this when talking about having 'another baby'. As if Petyr has debt of babies to pay or something.
The rivendell image is LOTR concept art by alan lee. I'm not sure what the proper citation of it would be.
Somehow to me the Alien Egg thing was actually the biggest evidence. Thats the modt GURM thing in this theory.
Robin is a failed aborted alien bastard fetus egg baby confirmed.
A fun third route: What Jon Arryn meant is "The Seed is (from a) Strong".
Rather than find out his son was a bastard directly he found out that another character (maybe Petyr, or even Duncan. Can you imagine he was such a fanboy of the knight he went years looking for his real lineage?) was a descendant of the now extinct Strong House.
I think Jon was suspicious of Cersei & the kids. He researches and realises “the seed is strong” likely referring to black hair. He realises this means cersei’s children are born of incest between lannisters, but also on the back of that realises his “son” has dark hair. His wife is ginger and he is blond. Its s double whammy hidden reveal
ASOIAF is murder mystery hiding as a political epic hiding as a fantasy epic
It seems very plausible. Just want to say that hair color doesn't completely discount Jon as the father; auburn hair can lead to a brown haired gene being passed along, which when combined with Jon's blonde gene would make for a brown haired child. This doesn't completely dismiss that piece of evidence, especially with the weird genetics of asoiaf, but it does leave the possibility of Jon being the father quite open.
Yeah none of the individual pieces of "evidence" are enough to convince but when you stack them all together it certainly doesn't look good for ol' Jonno. Couple this with GRRM's middle-school biology class implementation of genetics and the notion of seeds being strong and you've got yourself a Littlerfinger.
8:20 i also think if noteworthy that she says brother rather than half-brother here
This theory makes a lot of sense! The only downside is that it would debunk the theory that Sweetrobin's growing telepathic powers, stems from both his mother's Whent genes and Jon's Arryn genes, as both families have a history of skinchanging. Then again, Sweetrobin often sits on a weirwood throne, so that would still serve as a reason.
like if you're still watching this in 2023!
To me it is very clear that Robert is Littlefinger's son. I have no doubt of that in mind and i knew that since i found out LF was fucking with Lysa the whole time of her marriage to Jon
Considering that Ned died before Myrcella maybe lost her ear, you should’ve used her preload ear picture.
The issues I have with this theory are
1. Littlefinger doesn't seem to have any affection for Sweetrobin and the last thing we saw him do was make plans based around Sweetrobin's death, which suggests to me that if Sweetrobin is Petyr's then Petyr doesn't know about it.
2. So what? It doesn't seem like anyone alive except maybe Petyr know about this, so it's not like anyone can use it as a weapon against him. He might fall into the kinslaying trap if he decides to accelerate Sweetrobin's inevitable death, but again with no one knowing how would anyone realize Petyr committed kinslaying? GRRM does seem to lean into a kind of Karma system for kinslaying, but if that magically brings about Littlefinger's downfall like it did Theon's then it would be very underwhelming.
I'M LATE but mockingbirds actually get alien eggs in their nests. They're very vicious about protecting their nests and will swoop down and beat people with their wings for getting too close. It happens to me every spring since I work outside lol
Halfway through the video I'm like "Oh! So the Mockingbird should actually be a Cuckoo!! And the Arryns are also birds OMGGGGGGGG THE EAGLE IS RAISING ANOTHER MALE'S CHICK AAGXDAAADDGGGHHH"
But yeah you covered it :)
House Arryn is ancient and supposedly magical, and has a long history of wives dying young and fertility issues, maybe having Arryn blood is required to grow healthy and thrive at such heights and the reason Sweetrobin is so sickly is because he doesn’t have the right blood? Like how there must always be a stark in wintefell, there can only be an Arryn in the vale?
I'm glad I discovered your channel. I've had this same theory for a while but everyone I mention it to says there's no evidence. Thanks!
Well, now you know what video to send them ;)
@@Glidus !
You should delve into theories again - do another slam-dunk like fAegon Blackfyre or Ashara Dayne + Howland Reed = Meera
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Here you go, Gov. It's literally the only tin-foil I'll entertain because it can't be disproved textual, meta-textually, or logistically (in the timeline). It sounds crazy af but after reading about it, it actually sounds about right for GRRM. Idk, you decide for yourself.
SweetRobin = Alien Egg is a better theory than R+L=J
10:37 "I've been Glidus and if you have been, thank you."
Sure thing bud, I've been a Glidus myself for while.
2:32, there's a bit of text in the black background but I can't pause it in time to see lol
"make sure to leave a comment below calling me an idiot for using rivendell instead of riverrun"
The only problem I see is that Arryn went to go look for Robbert’s bastards.
"Drink this. I found it on the moon". If I were batsh*t crazy Lysa, that would sound so exciting. I'd guzzle that sh*t *so* fast...
Much more interesting than "tansy tea".
I like this theory, it's plausible. Not sure how they would ever reveal it though given little finger doesn't want us to know, maybe he'll just say it in some kind of super villain rant? I would like to hear why you think little finger still wants to kill his son if this is the case, maybe because he only has eyes for catelyn and sansa so a child with lysa is a tortured facsimile of that?
The only ways I see it being revealed is through a grandiose super villain rant or a deathbed confession from Petyr. I could also see it not being revealed at all, as there's no way George can answer every question we have in this story he has left (he also really likes leaving mysteries unsolved).
My personal belief is that Petyr isn't trying to kill Robert, but that's a really contentious statement that I don't have the time to support at this moment. I'd also argue that Petyr can't kill Robert with the sweetsleep. There's also a (slim) possibility that Petyr doesn't know that he's Robert's father, and we all know how much George likes making characters unwittingly kill their own children.
That all said, I do like your idea there. Like, a child with Lysa is just a constant reminder of all the things he could never have. That would be a really neat take on the whole thing, and I actually wouldn't be surprised at all if that turns out to be a motivation of his.
Glidus
Agree that Littlefinger is not seeking Sweetrobin's death but rather accepting the general (and probably wrong) consensus that it is inevitable.
When LF killed Lysa he told her that he never loved her, But that he had loved only Cat. This is a bastard thing to do: he is going to kill her in one second But he wants to destroy her world before doing that.
What If he is going to do the same with Lil Robert?
This whole Littlefinger guy is up to something i think
👉👉👉WHY dont you have more videos?!?
This is GOLD
Baelish was getting all up in the Falcon's nest if you know what I mean
I always thought the phrase was in reference to Gendry being of Robert's "seed," and therefore the rightful heir to the throne.
Just my two cents opinion on Lysa Arryn using moon tea: she would never and never in a million years!!!
Damn, she was traumatized by that shit! There's no way she would use it again!
Your videos are cool man, only, I prefer when you come up with your own style; it's better than when you employ alt shift x techniques!
Thanks for the comment, I love criticism like this.
You have a good argument, and there's no evidence to dismiss it. However, I would posit that Lysa's twisted obsession with Petyr would lead her to endure anything to make him happy. I think we can agree to disagree on that matter.
As for my style, I've only done four proper videos so far, and one shitpost. So I'm still kind of finding my footing in terms of how best to present my ideas. The ASX-esque mind-map style is very useful for dumping and organising a lot of information, especially if it's going to be re-referenced, but too tedious in more nomadic settings. On the other hand, the Prestonian method of simply providing images to supplement the monologue, while perhaps unimaginative, is efficient in cases where the theory darts across many individual facets of the story. On the inexplicable third hand, I'm clearly a weird video editing nerd who likes putting weird shit and obnoxious references all over the place. So yeah... I'm not quite sure how to balance all of that stuff. I don't have a concrete plan at all when it comes to animating videos. I just sit down and see what comes out.
Thanks for picking up my comment!
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I noticed you found your own voice on your videos, I liked very much the Waters presentations; I think you have your own style emerging sometimes and that's what I like better! It' wasn't a criticism...
Joffrey throwing illyn paynes at ned decapitating him is so funny
You got me at the dark droplets of blood from Crusader Kings II popping up at the Lannister children's pictures
So what you're saying is, Jon Arryn's son should be a big guy.
TDKR references lets go
0:11 how did i not notice this before lmfao
Do we know little finger and Liza were having an affair in kings landing?
07:33 "...after all these years of silence and whisperings,..." has to refer to something, right?
Nice. Why LF is constantly risking little Robbin life with medicines if Robbin is his own son ?in the book they hate each other
LF is a psychopath and doesn't care about people, he only sees them as pawns. And people killing their own children is a theme in Ice & Fire. There is Old Nan's story about the rat cook who was cursed to eat his children, and Theon probably killed his son in Clash of Kings.
Jamie feels no love to his bastards, neither does Roose, or Euron. When Victarion shows dismay for Euron not caring about his bastards, despite them being of his body, Euron replies "SO are the contents of my chamberpot". Craster (and half the north in days past if you believe the theories) give their bastards to the Others. Not everyone cares about their kids.
@@ericl8261 Craster doesn't give his bastards, he gives his sons. Craster marries all his women and thus doesn't have bastards
This video is several years old, but let me just say; MY. GOD.
The bit about the mockingbird pretty much sealed it for me, especially considering that's not even Bealish's actual family crest.
the King of Titans Cronus/Saturn(Father of Zeus Hera Poseidon and Hades to name a few) famously ate his children(with one exception) with his sister Rhea after castrating and overthrowing older sky gods(Uranus)
Littlefinger tries to kill his own infantile son with a woman raised like a sister to him(Catelyn thought of Littlefinger like a brother;QED, Littlefinger is like a brother to her sister) after cuckolding(metaphorically castrating) a benefactor/"sugar daddy" Lord Paramount of a Great House(Jon Arryn)
The actual sigil of House Baelish? The head of a Titan
@@dayofayanju9021 holy shit. Holy shit
Little bird: Mockingbird’s daughter
Seed is strong: Robert’s bastards
Son is not like the father: Robert’s: bastards
Rob and Robin are named after their father.
Sansa is the egg laid in another’s nest.
Henry the eighth/Robert to Bolelyn sisters/Tully sisters except instead of marriage/execution he loves/leaves.
Anyway, Cat has a thing for injured men at the Trident like her daughter-in-law Westerling.
So this whole story happens because Stinky Pinky (Littlefinger lol) has to cover his tracks and therefore just takes advantage to finally gain power. HIM? its all about HIM?! your theory sounds correct too. That conclusion i laid out still isn't as bad as how the tv show ended
I feel like Sweetrobin is more of a means to an end than an accident that he had to cover for. Fathering the child was a necessary thing to eventually quench his thirst for power.
"Drink this
I found it on the moon"
I actually didn’t see it coming when the ‘alien eggs’ tangent supported your argument.
Well done as always, but what breed of horse is Lysa? 🐴
Omg. I loved it. Just subscribed.
I’m sure he is Peter’s son!
Crazy that GRRM used that cucku reference in Elden ring years later that pretty much cements this as head cannon for me good shit glimbis
And who are Rheanrya’s kids father? HARWEN STRONG
1:05 littlefinger might have been confident it would never get back to him, and wanted ned to figure out half the truth that way ned would be honor bound to call out jof and create more chaos littlefinger could take care of, and also probably lead to neds death which would free up cat for littlefinger. so he could def still be helping ned figure out part of the john aryns death mystery.
does that mean tullies have dragon genes?
Omg...explains the bird name.
"Hazza" Hardyng, LOL
If Jon had fertility issues would he not just be sterile? Meaning absolutely no signs of potential kids?
The story of A Game of Thrones came about entirely because Petyr Baelish refuses to pull out.
love it
Why would I call you an idiot for using Rivendell instead of Riverrun?
Lannisters weren’t part of the alliance for Robert’s rebellion!
It looks like little Robin Arryn is the son little finger and he try to killed him just evil!!!!
TBF on that alliance marriage joke, the lanisters werent in when they got married
Canon
She would've confessed this like everything else before she went through the moon door, no?
0:23
Oh these black drops of blood
neat little Crusader Kings II reference :D
Shit yeah man, glad someone picked up on it