Watch Collecting - What wristwatches are dogs? What brands of wristwatches suck?
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I can't believe how reasonable and coherent Archie is in this video. Pity he's gone off the deep end since then.
Yeah, this was back when Archie's advice was actually sound.
PITY? This one put me to sleep. Archie gets better the more he drinks.
@@Doggieman1111 lmao... 100% true.
If arch had kept up these kind of videos, he’d have 1M subscribers by now
I am a watch collector and I agree with your assessment. Two important elements that watch buyers should look out for: 1. Cheap quartz-movements in watches that have a luxury name....i.e. Cartier, Chanel, Gucci....you are paying for the brand, not the watch. Usually "designer name" watches have very cheap movements and are worth very little for resale. The same applies to famous watch brands which use quartz movements. 2. imitation watches. Italy, Japan and China make very good fake replicas of high end luxury watches. Before investing anything over $500, make sure you take the watch to a qualified watchmaker who will unscrew the back of the watch and inspect the movement's authenticity.
Solid advice, like it or not. No watches hold value like Patek and Rolex. Only then with certain models. Go slowly, learn before you leap.
Funny how someone who collects precision mechanisms like wathces, makes a comment like "I've been a watch collector for 10 to 20 years...".
Really? You can't narrow it down to say 10 to 12 years or 18 to 20 years? Lol
Galileo Galilei I picked up on that as well !
Same here! That was funny. Isn't this Archie who drops f bombs every other word?
+Galileo Galilei : That raised my eyebrows! Totally agree 10-12 or 18-20 would have made much more sense!
Very True!!
+Galileo Galilei Of course.
been a watch collector for about 10 50 years
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yeah that's quite a vague timeframe haha
when I first read this I saw 1050 years. I felt stupid when is saw the space.
He said 10-20 years.
ProgramThis! Lmao!
The smaller watches are priced reasonably because the large pieces are in fashion... but fashions come around, maybe the smaller pieces could be a good investment in the long term (since they may come good again)
in my opinion you dont buy a watch because it will go up in price you buy one because you like it
Rule number one in life -- do what you want. If you like a brand of watches then by all means collect them. Don't let some watch snob tell you what to buy.
That's good advise for buying watches or any kind of good as an investment. Think about what kind of 30year old watch you would want to buy today as far as styles and brands and apply that to a modern watch your buying now. Brands that are kind of unknown or iffy now, will most likely be forgotten.
I like Casio in general.
Good solid advice. Very few "watch collectors" hold onto every watch they buy. Which means when selling or trading up the price you can get out of the piece becomes very important. Archie or whatever your name is, you certainly know your stuff!
Thanks for the informative and well-produced video. My interest in watches was re-kindled when I inherited a steel Date, perhaps the cheapest of all Rolexes.
"Don't buy the watch you want...buy an ICONIC watch!"
I like this gentler Archie back in 2011. The advices are sound.
smart50n very sound in 2017
I agree with almost everything you said. And I really study watches before I make a move . Very well done!!!
Good advise. I bought a Tag but it is for a weekend knock about watch and I have no intention of reselling it. It's a dive watch and has a good look to it but contrary to the advertising of it, the power reserve is barely 12 hours. Even on a winder the damn thing stops. I'll keep it as it serves it's purpose but for collectible watches, I have 3 Rolexes and 1 IWC.
I purchased a pre owned Vacheron & Constantin 18K dress watch 15 years ago. Integrated 18K case and bracelet. It is incredibly thin. My friends that own Rolex 18K day dates think that it is a Quartz movement. It is a mechanical 29 jewel movement.
They also have no clue when I wear one of my Pateks.
I guess there is a difference between knowing the best and having a deep pocket.
Tag makes among the best if not the best chrono's in the market. Not to mention beautiful watches, such as the Monaco V4, Grand Carrera calibre 36... I do not like that they make cheaper watches as well, but they do make nice watches.
Archie I like it when you're not cussing like crazy. Makes you more classy.
He should go back to his old ways.
I wish you would do more of these types of reviews amazing.
This advice is really for investors. If you’re simply into watches, and you actually wear them, just buy what turns you on.
Also Omega Speedmaster was only the Man on the Moon, not " THE MAAAAAAAN ON THE MOOOOOOON FUCKERS"
I love watches in the 34-38mm size. My wrist is only 6.5". Anything larger than a 40mm looks gaudy on me. I would think many people do prefer the smaller sizes.
The part where you made the correlation between quartz in a Patek to a Ferrari with an automatic transmission was quite funny.
It seems like you're saying that people should buy watches that are currently popular, like large mechanical men's watches, but these prices of watches are bouyed by fashion, which inevitably changes. 45mm watches will eventually become unfashionable again. It is surely a better investment to buy a watch that is currently undervalued, like a 32mm piece from the 60s
Great to listen to, but very annoying that the visual isn't co-ordinated with the words
You think that's annoying...listen to his newer stuff.
Thanks for the video. I appreciate your heart-felt, honest comments.
Those were the times when Archies unaproved watches were just dogs, not "pieces of fucking dog shit".
I’ve been a watch collector for 2 to 19 years...
Great video. I am a young collector and feel more attracted to the sensible 34-36mm size watches. I do agree that it is the modern style to wear larger pieces 40mm and up. But there are just so many good classics in the 34-36mm range. I also think if you have slim wrists a large watch can look out of place, and conversely a large watch may look quite appropriate on a larger person.
As for brands Omega and Rolex are my two favorites. Great video thanks again!
Dude, you are simply out of my league! I'll stick to my Seiko SKX007, Thank You! I do appreciate your point of view, though. Good Day!
Excellent advice for retained value, obviously not for what makes you happy, although in many cases there is a good reason a piece is iconic
I have lots of watches including a two-tone Rolex Daytona, and a full-gold Submariner, BUT I've never had a "failure" in a Quartz watch, ever!!!
Ditto...
Keep in mind that Breitling now makes their own in-house movement *and* they supply movements to Tudor as well.
The advice on this video is worthless to 99% of people. The majority of people collect watches because they like them, not because they may be worth money in the future. People who make money from dealing in expensive watches probably would never wear them, they normally wouldn't even care if they like them out or not, it's all about how much they are worth. Rolex are great watches, I've got a Sub Myself. However, there are loads of watches, including tag heuer that look equally as great on your wrist as a Rolex.
True, my dad have several Rolex and Iwc , but he still wear Oris and Tag and he never look judge other cheap brand watch.
Fred Cesare Just ordered 2 Oris' myself. Wearing the first one as I type this (TT1 with black rubber strap). I have an Aquis Blue date on the way.
I work for my dad and get myself a Oris big crown swiss hunter ~~~ Very satisfied and a lot of love with it.
Fred Cesare I saw that one and I like it, too.
BlueonGoldZ Oris have nice movement on it , and far more better than Ball's watch ~~~ :D
4:20 There are no manual Ferrari's for years. Ferrari realized that even the best manual is slower than a good automatic. So your analogy makes little sense...
snakemonke No. Are you?
***** Nope
snakemonke That's good to know
actually it makes perfect sense, because you don't buy a mechanical watch for "performance". Mechanical watches cannot match quartz for accuracy per cost - people buy these kinds of watches because they can connect with the machinery, same as a manual car.
the tranny in a ferrari is not a manual, but not an auto. they are "sport" automatics, which is an auto that can be controlled better with the use of manual imput. so no their transmissions arent manual, but they arent true junk autos. .5 of a second to change gear? i dont drive a car that does that...
There are many reasons why people buy watches.Telling the time is only one reason. Most of us carry a phone which is accurate to at least a second so there is no practical reason to have a watch nowadays. I personally buy watches because I like the look of them and if they are cheap then so much the better because I don't get too upset if I lose or break them. Having said that I do like to keep a favourite watch that I wear for social occasions which is.....1. Easy to read. 2. Tells me the time, day and date. 3 Is reliable. 4. I like the look of.
For my recent birthday i was bought the Roamer "Superior Moonphase". At first it looked amazing in the presentation box and on the wrist for that matter.... until i removed the plastic clip on the crown that enabled me to push it in and start the watch ... only to find it didn't work. Was totally gutted!
It's so much better when you are not shouting or swearing!!
Agree the swearing and shout tends to make me stop watching. There is solid advice if you our wanting your watches to be resalable in the future.
This is one of your best videos. Keep them coming.....
Hi.....
I have seen many blogs from Archie about many things but this one is the best , I agree with him about the watches, one comment from some one about collectors and not worrying about price no it's stupid not wanting the investment to increase. As for Cartier the movement is only a cheap one and your paying for the name they other thing all ways buy with the certificate and box from the maker if some one has a quality watch they will look after box and certificate, well done Archie
Interesting video. Buy/ collect what makes you happy.
I have a nice 100 dollar Seiko. I want to put it on a cool 70s fat leather wrist band. I want this stauer gold-finished verité watch it was $599 and on sale for $99... and I have a 20 dollar off coupon. I like that its a manual wind, and not only is the back clear, so is the front.
this is the best vedeo about collecting or wearing a good quality watch. I can niether afford nor can I find one under what I am willing to pay :-( Thank you for this awesome and informative vedeo !!!
Thank you for your advice, Im deff taking it!
Thanks, good reviews.
Enjoyed the refreshing honesty. Was curious regarding your thoughts on MKII. This is a brand that confuses me. Came about in 2002. Provided excellent parts for customizing watches. Fairly recently made their own watches. (MKII Vantage is a Rolex Explorer clone but with date feature.)
What surprises me is that the brand is incredibly popular. And to an extreme degree. Perhaps I'm missing something. But then again, am new to watch collecting. Would appreciate your thoughts. Thank You.
I’m going to say this. When you are talking shit it shows and when you are factual it also shows. This was a good vid without all the usual bull.
Hats off for this one Paul.
Yes Archie. I hear what you say and agree. But i think the first step for a collection is to get rid of all quartz. Then started with even the cheapest Automatic watches Seiko..ext and work your collection upwards. All people don`t have the money for a Patek, Rolex ext.Thanks for your great review.
why dont you use images that are relevant to what you are saying?
I was given a Pulsar quartz in 1982. Not a luxury or collector's watch by anyone's standards, in fact it was a 'cheap watch' but an attractive timepiece nevertheless and incredibly accurate. After 10 years it would still gain less than 5 seconds (yes, 5 seconds) between GMT and BST changes. Batteries could last up to 6 years if they were bought from a reputable source. Sadly, the circuit failed after nearly 30 years of service.
@Strangely Brown yup it's precisely the only reason to buy a mechanical watch in my understanding. Every person should have at least 1 mechanical watch specially if they have children to pass them to.
I had a quartz seiko watch which the battery leaked & damaged it beyond repair. That's the bad side of quartz which can't happen on a mechanical auto watch. That watch hardly lasted a decade to think i only wore it once a year.
My fav. Is my Alain Silberstein with 438 tiny diamonds. Hard to set and has that swiss movement, but sure looks cool.
I would add the omega seamaster automatic into that lot. Saved up as much as I could and bought a seamaster automatic. 8 years later only found out that it had a capacitor in that give up. Would cost around $500 just to look at it before service. Once stung never buy again.
Hi really great video, thanks so much!,, what do you think about Seiko Spring Drive or Automatic movements?. Form a collector perspective, buy new models or go for used pieces?
Baume et. Mercier Worldtimer is nice...IWC movement.
Many of the things you mention are actually great buys. If you buy em second hand at a nice price. Besides fashion changes and I wouldn't be surprized that if one day the smaller thin mens watches of yesterday once again come in fashion and prices skyrocket because all the old ones are gone.
Also I do not quite agree on quartz. But we can agree that plain standard quartz movements are probably not a great investment as the movement is unexciting so unless it's housed in a gold case or something special otherwise then you might do a better investment elsewhere. I won't worry too much about quartz. Having a cirquit fail is very very rare. And speaking of many of ETA's they basically have been the same movement for decades - you can swap swap the electronics of an old one with a new circuit or wise versa.
And besides. Collecting watches is also about passion. If everything had to be the best possible investment it would be boring. And as said. If you only persue what you think is the best investment now then suddenly that's what everyone has and then they're now that exciting. The suddenly a watch like the "Forgotten" Speedmaster will skyrocket in value. Everyone else who had it have thrown it out in the garbage bin.
Nice one Archie, great vid!
Archie, what you are not factoring into the quartz/mechanical cost factor is the servicing cost -factor in three services of mechanical over 15 years and you're up for $2500k plus. Replacement cost for a quartz manufacture movement isn't anywhere near that. This quartz ballyhoo is a master stroke of joint campaigning by the Swiss industry - self preservation.
Sorry but some of us can't afford your $20,000+ watches (as beautiful as they are and believe me I want some). However, as far as your argument against quartz watches, I am currently wearing a $160 Fossil with quartz movement that I got 6 years ago and it has worked amazing. The only maintanence it has needed is 1 battery change just yesterday. I have 20+ watches and 90% of them have quartz.
Christopher Wernette That's nothing to be proud of
Christopher Wernette who would buy a Fossil quartz for 160$? and how can someone own 20+ quartz watches? troll much?
Christopher Wernette Glad you ignored the two sheep that commented. I too would rather wear my 50+ watch collection on a daily basis that all look different than wear some Rolex that every bloody one of them looks the same. Rolex are ugly watches and most of the sheep agreeing with this pompous stuck up numpty don't even own one or never ever wear it if they do. And yes i had a Rolex, left in a will and sold it on straight away. Are Rolex worth the money, nobody seems to be able to answer that ?. I say NO.
Rolex or as i call then Rollux , would not give a tenner for them as for wind up watches they all run slow on me so i have new ones i want to know the time not how much there worth,a watch should keep good time and be nice to look at .. jeff ..
I think most people couldn't care less if a watch is automatic or quartz. And I don't know anyone who buys a watch and plans to sell it later. Some people keep the things they buy.
Well done, I to am a collector and I couldn't agree more!! You offer sound advise for those who don't know. I learned some of your advice the hard way.
I wonder what your opinion of him would be now :)
gmshadowtraders 😂
great job archie
Arch- the most informative video you ever made, also the least funny 😄 Great job!!!
What is the model number of the handsome Patek Phillipe watch featured in the video?
Thanks for the info, very helpful.
You pictures should match your voice! When you talk about Quartz, I want to see pictures of Quartz watches. When you talk about omega, i want to see omega pics. Just a tip, it's makes the video smoother and just better
So for the 'lower' end of the scale, those watches (including a Breitling and others) that are obtained in the gray market and/or @ favorable price on secondary market? Omega Seamaster Quartz?
I bought a Frederique Constant the other week, simply because Arch hates them...
Thanks for the good advice 👍.
I can't be sure, but I believe the pictures taken of the watches at the beginning reveal that the wearer is also wearing a very specific white and yellow stripes grey shirt only sold at Walmart. It's one of those shirts that became to popular and you see people wearing it all the time if you own it yourself lol. Just wondering if anyone else sees it
thanks Arche - I would like to buy the Cartier Tank Solo as my first proper watch, I love the shape and watch face, I also prefer it to the Cartier Tank Francais, because the Solo has a completely flat face (as opposed to to the slightly curved Tank Francais). Do you think the Cartier Tank Solo is a good starter watch ?? Thanks for your comments.
Good advice about Rolex & Patek. I own Rolex, Omega, Breitling & Oris plus another couple of German Makes. My Breitling is the Aerospace which is quartz but it is superquartz so it is very accurate and good examples tend to go for good prices. Would love a Patek but they are too much money. If I could own the watch of my dreams it would have to be a Gruebel Forsey. Back to Rolex, my 1965 Rolex Day/Date has doubled in value over the last 6 years.
Thing is, most people collect watches primarily because they /like/ them, rather than as investments.. I wear my watches, have narrow bony wrists and also think watches should be proportional to the size of the wearer's wrist, so all of mine are less than 40mm. I'm not going to buy a larger watch that doesn't suit me just because larger watches are currently in fashion and holding their value better.. ;-)
It's so depressing to actually see someone who is just sharing his own experience, knowledge and opinion to be on the defensive. I mean how many times he had to clear that he is about to say the truth and no one should get offended. Nice pieces of advise there, keep up the good work and keep expressing honest opinions.
Pretty solid advice.
My breitling uses a B01 movement. The new navitimer also moved to B01.
Thanks for the video! I'm a young professional who right now can't afford the top-end watches, but I'd like a classy one in the $1000-$3000 range. Any recommendations?
get a tag :-D
Heuer?
Vintage. I'd say stay away from Chronographs, don't buy a quartz (some of the Omega 300hz and megaquartz will appreciate, just watch) Rolex Oysterquartz is undervalued (they only made 25000 or so, ever, and they pump out 800 thousand per year, this is a no brainer) spend 2500 on a good solid vintage piece and put aside 500 for service.
Take with grain of salt, but I've watched 80 percent of my collection increase in value over the last 3 years, some have doubled. You never know when and what (Enicar, for example) is going to get "hot" but vintage is great because they simply are not making any more. Look at the reissue market.
I enjoyed this video and it's educational.
What about a Bulova space watch it's the most accurate quart's ever made and it's been in outer space the $370 seems like a good deal it's only got 30 meters of water resistance but then again it's made for flying not diving
One of the very few enjoyable videos on the channel.
Great information! Thanks!
Buy what makes you happy ,and ignore the critics.
Yeah and be Happy not having to worry about your watch being stolen.
Regarding gold plated, I have candino sapphire swiss made 18 k gold plated and it hasn't, lost a bit of gold, I have it about 9or 10 years . don't different companies, put different gauges of gold on their watches, I had a mont blanc and it was gold plated, 5 microns with leather straps
Some truth to what he is saying. I have had Tag Heuers when i first started collecting; not the garbage models but the grand carrera. I bought it used and still barely broke even when i wanted to get rid of it. I ended up just going with the Rolex Explorer II until i can afford a daytona. However, I like two models from Baume and Mercier, Riviera particularly the 65541 model and the capeland. I buy all my watches second hand so I won't lose my shirt on it. B&M's quality did surprise me... or i am just lucky, the two pieces i do have are running within COSC and i have not gotten them adjusted.
One more thing, Tag Heuer's are HORRIBLE bang per buck. Even within the dog shit category, you have some "dogs" that atleast make a good reliable watch. Longines, Oris, Breitling's colt/superocean lines.
all fairly good advice ,,, shame the pictures dont tie in very well with the words though
I find it hard to believe that the majority of the people watching this are in the business of re-selling watches.
go back to this, this is actually a good video !!!
Serious collectors of men's watches want mechanical movements. Patek IMHO is the best for that. You said nothing about Vacheron or Audimars because the are out of the not worthy?
1:10 - "I would advise people to stay away from Tag Heuer"
- lol so busted! 2018 baby :)
The video is quite good in terms of getting resale, but if you love a watch, go for it. Enjoy it, and when you lose money on the resale, take the pleasure it gave you as worth it .
What’s your views on Vacheron Constantin ?
As a “ Trinity “ brand they seem to be the poor relation to the other two ; yet they are outstanding timepieces , Geneva seal and all that
You know what Archie, I'm a thumbs this one up
what about quartz with lifetime warranty? by the way automatic Ferraris are what is raced.
Whats is your impression of Corum? I had a Trapeze and also a 'square' bubble, sold them both but i do miss them-- I have a few Schaumburgs in titanium and steel
Agree with all your comments
Well said.
He says to stay away from Hamiltons, basic ETA movement and all....I agree that I would never buy one as an investment, but I have a Khaki Automatic that I wear often. Its a great low cost watch that is fairly accurate and I don't have to worry about it getting destroyed. Nothing wrong with a good Hamilton!!!
I share your aversion to quartz, but only on the grounds that the crystals can keep bad time from watch to watch. An example would be my *Citizen Eco-Drive Skyhawk*. It goes out by a second every week or month or so (if not on radio control), yet a dollar store cheapie of mine has a circuit that (I swear) seems to be within a second on the year.
There doesn't seem to be any reason why the resonant circuit and driving motor shouldn't be able to come in easily replaceable modules. I'm no watch-maker so I don't understand why it isn't done that way.
Besides that it would only be the battery technology that would be of concern. This Skyhawk has a secondary (rechargable) cell in it of which I have no specs and don't know its life cycle.
I must bash the Skyhawk just a little more... Its funcionality _sucks_. It really does. You can't use the lamp when you're in other modes like the stop watch or timer, the hands often obstruct the LCD, the bezel is a total F-up, etc. Oh, there is just so many bad things about its function.
The good points on the Skyhawk are that the titanium body and band are just the tops! Extremely light weight and adjusts well.
My *Bulova Men's 98A107 Marine Star*, is another one I have problems with. It weighs a freakin' tonne! It also doesn't adjust well around my rather thin wrist (or "girly-man's wrist" as Arnold might say) lol. Plainly put, you can't perform guitar on stage with that brick around your wrist. It also throws the time out about a second a day, even when it's just lying around.
Other than that, it looks really neat and everybody loves looking at it (almost hypnotized). It's only good for casual get-togethers. Though I imagine if I ever took it diving I'd have to adjust the weights on my belt to counter the weight of the watch.
Your opinion on this relatively "new" *Seiko spring drive* technology? Seems to be a fine convergence of electrical and mechanical tech. Not to mention that the super-smooth rolling second hand really turns me on. Have you had any experience with these or are they so sought after that nobody wants to sell 'em? It tempts me so.
Oris (since 1904) not only survived the quartz revolution; they remained mechanical.
Arch, I've noticed that the bracelet for d Patek has changed from d crocodile you've shown on your other video. Is that also a proprietary Patek leather option or what is it? thx.
Hi can you make a video on why we should avoid Baume & Mercier in greater detail?
Well, I bought my first Rolex in '64. The big problem was its maintenance. It was costly. As a timekeeper, all mechanical watches are useless. As investment, there are better and more reliable items. I have 4 wrist watches: Racine Royale, Omega, Philip Mercier (RC) and of course, the Rolex. Racine Royale is the most accurate of them all except the Radio Controlled one. All luxury watches are expensive to purchase and even more expensive to maintain.