There have been comments concerning the fact that the BEST OF series videos were created several yrs. ago yet I have the current year noted in the title. The reason is that the facts haven't changed yet and when they do, I'll be sure to create a new video reflecting the new information. Secondly, to provide current/relevant information, the title must reflect the current year's date in it. Thanks for trusting me to provide current/relevant information for you. 🖖
I recently installed the orbit b-hyve smart timer. It is super easy to control via the app, which is great to not need to go out to the box. It also has the ability to turn on the stations via phone app just like that rain dial remote. Definitely a good option for homeowners
So I must admit I was hesitant on these "new fangled" controllers and I'd "just" replaced my controllers (yes multiple in the last 6-8 years as I have 15 stations on 2 sides of our ranch home not to mention the other 4 controllers out in the entryway driveways!) So heck, if they were still working I didn't have to have "convenient" wireless controls. I'd just keep my controllers that were working and do what I'd always done since I was a teenager taking care of our family's home in the 1980's. Fast forward to 2022, Tom suggested the change over and I told him "nah, it's still working so I don't want to change it". Then I looked into it a bit more and thought, I'm revamping and in my professional engineering life I embrace new technology all the time... why not at home on my irrigation system. I pulled the trigger and did it. I am so happy I listened and did the upgrade to a remote controlled controller system. The convenience and time savings for testing, cleaning and repairs is amazing! I didn't know how much time and effort I'd save by switching to use the remote Hunter controller system, but now I do! (and yes I did my own research into comparison of systems outside of Tom's recommendations, I'm analytical and couldn't help it). All I can now say is "Thank you Tom, your recommendation was spot on and a God send for us!"
Yep. As long as the truth of the video doesn't change, the date will be updated each year. Eventually I'll need to create a new one when a new model supercedes what I've highlighted. Thanks for the funny comment.
Nice job. Good education for the simple minded like me. I'm having a pro install a new unit at a 17 year old home we just moved into. He made sure all the heads where working and drip systems are functioning but in at the end we discovered the control unit wasn't getting power for some reason. Time for a new one with Wi-Fi capabilities. Thanks again for your video.
Awesome video. I do agree that the new X2 hunter controllers are an excellent choice. Ever since we started stocking them on our shelves, it's hard to keep them in stock now. I work for an Irrigation/landscaping distributor in San Antonio Texas and also recommend the X2 controller to both my contractor n home owner customers alike. Again great video Tom.
Thanks for the input! I installed a 4-station yesterday and TWO 6-station today. I include a SmartPort/ROAM XL wiring harness with every Hunter timer installation. I also install them on every Hunter timer I come across on troubleshooting/repair jobs. Thanks for chiming in about where you live too. Fun to see where all the viewers are from.
I have an Irritrol MC 18. I've been using it since the mid 1980s. Every time I've thought of replacing it I didn't find anything better. But, I think the Hunter PRO C might be the one.
Tom, That's cool. Those MC-18's are diehards, but I'm glad we have dial alternatives now--they're so much easier to operate. That Pro-C is so versatile and can accommodate so many options including wifi. Thanks for being here.
My Rain Dial had 2 stations not working. I thought it might be faulty but the retic guy showed me that the 2 stations in question were set to 'Pump:Off". A button press and it was "Pump:On". I haven't seen this function described in the manual.
Mick, there are many hidden features available for the RainDials that 99.9% of folks never use. This feature is on page 31 of the newest User Guide that can be downloaded from irritrol.com on the Rain Dial page. Thanks for being here and posting your comment/question.
Clarification: I mentioned in the video that the ICC2 is not WiFi capable. It actually is but with a commercial-grade ($$) irrigation mgt. platform called Centralus designed for the ICC2 and ACC2. This video is mainly for the 99.9% that have no need for that awesome platform. Thanks Sam for bringing this up.
Thanks for the info. I have an Orbit B-Hyve timer that just died on me after a mere three years. They made me use an on-line chat-bot for warranty support and the chat-bot said "I cannot help you with that. I'm going to transfer you to a different chat" ....and then the robot hung up on me! 😮😅 Now we don't even matter enough to have a robot take down our information. I'm trying to find something with similar features to the B-Hyve, so I will definitely check your suggestions I only have one solenoid switch which opens and closes five different zones by use of an indexing valve. So, for the timer I need the ability to run one single zone 5 different times on the same night when I water. I was able to do that on the B-hyve by bypassing all the Ecco features.
Tony, that's a trip what happened to you on the phone. I am not a fan of any Orbit products. I'm not quite sure what you're saying but if you need certain zones to come on at different times, all you need to do is group them on different programs, A and B, and give A and B different start times. You can do this on any decent timer with more than one program included.
@@SprinklerPros sorry about that. I guess I should really not post late at night, or at very least proof read what I have typed. I corrected my original post.
So... let me tell you why I gave you a thumbs up. I'm married but due to a medical condition, my husband periodically can't figure out things that were second nature to him before. That means, at 67, I have to step in on projects I know absolutely nothing about. Fortunately, I have a logical mind and, with the help of videos, etc., I can get us to where we need to be. (Not so lucky with cars, ugh). Anyway, thank you for making it so clear. We live on five forested and partially landscaped acres in North Idaho and just found the old Rainbird 6 zone dead as a doornail. I want to expand to 12, so this really helped. Thank you for helping this old lady!
Wow, that's great! BTW my mom developed five forested acres in No. Idaho as well yrs ago. It was above Sandpoint on Pack River Rd.. Am I warm? When her late husband got too ill they sold the place and moved into a brand new home in town until he passed. She eventually moved back to CA. Is there anything else I can help you with?
@@SprinklerPros very close. We are in Blanchard and often go to Sandpoint. We are hoping to be able to stay here for many years but know a condo may be in our future. Meanwhile, it's almost impossible to get a sprinkler dude to come out in the spring! Thank you so much and wish us luck! (And we will NEVER move back to CA!)
Love the insight. While I get the “consumer grade vs pros” I would love to get your personal thoughts on the Ranchio controller. I don’t like WiFi enabled “smart devices”, but this one seems to have some validity behind it.
In my videos I attempt to not bash other brands. I prefer to make my points in other ways. In this video I showed the Rachio and eluded to my thoughts on it at the same time. It's a fine timer. I MIGHT go in more detail in a future vid. Thanks for bringing it up.
You are a Hunter fan. Thats fine. They make the best pop-up in the Pro series. But there controller does not have a test program and you must program a test program into them using up 1 of the 3 programs where as RainBird does have a test program. Big advantage. Not to mention I can teach a customer in 15 mins how to operate and program a ESP where as the Hunter is always an issue for them and for some reason they end up adding multiple start times to the Hunter in errror. The RainBird esp / Extra Simple Programming is easier to operate and program.
I completely agree with you. In my opinion, Rain Bird controllers are more logical in programming. It is a pity that the RZX and TM2 models are not considered in the video.
Thanks so much for your video. It was exactly what I needed to hear after reading all the reviews on the big box controllers: They don’t connect well to the home network, the apps are not user friendly, and for heaven sakes the software takes over the programming with weather forecasts, which seems ridiculous to me. Anyway, I was trying to get you resource guide, but was stumped when my browser said the server was not available. Can you help me out?
The only thing I don't like about the Irritrol R series timer is there is no 24-hour clock, which at times can get you in trouble if you are not paying attention.
@@SprinklerPros If you don't pay attention and set am instead of pm or vise versa you could be watering 12 hours from when you actually wanted to which could be desirable for what ever reason. I went to a local sprinkler shop show a few years back and l ask the Irritrol representative about it and he said oh yes it has a 24 hour clock. So he fumbled around with the display controller on the wall and could not find a 24 hour clock setting. He walked away scratching his head saying we have to get that resolved, however l do not think they ever did.
James, thank you for the explanation and I now understand what you meant and that's a good point. I have been installing those since they invented them and I've never heard of a 24 hr function on it. Yes, the AM and PM are too small as are the ones on the Hunter timers and I have accidentally done that myself several times over the yrs cuz I didn't see the AM/PM correctly.
Bummer. I deal with Irritrol timers all the time that have been in service as far back as 1993 and still going strong. Some of them fail but so do every other brand. What is your favorite brand and model that you have had good luck with?
I'm glad you asked. I just mentioned that upcoming video to a new client this afternoon and took photos of her b.o. timers that will probably be in that video. I have a long list of videos to create and only have time to work on them on the weekends. I work my irrigation repair business during the week (desk work at night) and videos on the weekends. I hope to complete my current video tomorrow night as I am going out of state on Fri. to work on my dad's irrigation system. That video might be my next one as it keeps coming up in my work life. Thanks for asking.
I don't believe so because the valves/solenoids would need a wireless/battery-operated power source strong enough to send a signal to wherever the timers are AND need to replace those batteries on schedule.
Just had a new sprinkler system put in at my lake home where I pump out of the lake. I have only 4 stations & they put a small Orbit controller that I HATE! I cant read the numbers, I dont like digital & can not figure it out. Its a cheap controller because I didnt think I needed 'state of the art' for such a small system. But, Im 75 & I do want to be able to work it! Is the Irritol Rain Dial RD 600 going to be the easist for me to switch to? Thanks so much!
TS, The RainDial timers are THE easiest and toughest timers on the market. If you are using lake water be sure to watch my video on the subject to save yourself ALOT of grief.
Thank you for letting me know. I see what you mean. If you click on the Get Price button it does that but I see that if you click on the model number under the photo it goes to the right place. I will fix that now.
Newly subscribed! Looked at your irrigation controller review, certainly interesting but l'll stick with my newly installed Rachio. Must say though had quite experience with a so-called pro installer. From exposed electrical wires, unsealed knockout lugs, loose outside mounted box & plastic weather box installed unlevel plus even the vertical conduit had its own awkward vertical angle. So anyways it ran once & only once, had the sprinkler company owner over to show the messy install & test the 12v transformer. Of course the transformer was dead (no current passing through). This was the insult to injury on top of all the other sloppy practices. Our conversation got testy to say the least when he said "transformer is bad from the manufacturer". After a resounding "REALLY!?!? & did you see the dried water marks inside the weather box & the location below of a sprinkler head?" It finally connected & he offered to fix it all after the new transformer came in. Of course I didn't want them near the house again. Originally, I had planned on doing the install myself. But, this is what happens when you walk the dogs one evening and an irrigation company is doing work next door (replacing damaged sprinkler heads after pool install) & they pass on their business card. Have to keep reminding myself "it's never the price but the cost"! BTW, impressed with the Rachio only 6 six zones used & it's built for 8. Next model up is 16 zones. It's built for rain & wind avoidance. Of course WiFi & internet compatibility plus it runs off the cell phone being an App. My next target for improvement is optimization of the sprinkler heads & coverage, hence my joining your TH-cam. Cheers P. S. Located in Central Florida
Yikes!! Yah, I follow behind these guys ALL the time. If it wasn't for them I'd be out of business 🙃. I truly feel so sorry for the people that have spent sometimes thousands of dollars on other guys that botched their projects just to have to pay me to come in and do it over. My grandparents lived in Stuart. Are you anywhere near there?
@@SprinklerPros Tks for the reply. Well, I have a default relief saying to myself, "it could of been alot worse" & it cost me 100 bucks. Lesson learned! I am near Orlando, Stuart is south-east some 2.5hrs. Cheers.
A couple of reasons I prefer the Hunter wifi models is that you can operate it on the interface and it has standard screw-type terminals for easy diagnostics. Not to argue, just asking....how do you believe that Hydrawise is BEHIND? The way I've viewed it is that they are just different. Rachio is a product that is built on a super simple design using a circuit board and a minimalistic enclosure for those who JUST want wifi access and a super simple timer. BeHyve is a wifi Orbit timer so it's built similar to a typical Orbit timer. Both the Rachio and BeHyve have clip-in wire connections. I have had constant problems with the Rachio on various properties when I attempt to use my phone as a guest remote control. It keeps losing my access so I need to keep going back to my email permissions and starting over. I don't have that trouble with Hydrawise or BeHyve.
@@SprinklerPros thanks for the dialog. I've had the rachio 2 for 5 years(?), no issues. I'm a reel geek (@thelawnforum) who likes a fairway lawn, not an installer so I can see why your biases (not disparaging) are different. From my memory, hydrawise relied on you to know how long a zone should run, not intelligent as to ask you 'is this a rotor, fan, etc' to help suggest run times. Many residents have no clue on percip rates, nor does their 'help'. Didn't ask soil type, slope and don't recall if it allowed it to run cycles (soak time) ...say that zone was for 16 min, option to run 8 min then an hour later another 8. That was 2-3 years ago, maybe hunter caught up? Rachio can run w/o wifi if memory is correct however the interface is near idiot proof, advanced if you are. Weather forecast /prediction saves wasting water/money regardless.
Yep. From your perspective, the Rachio rules. Like you said, as an installer/troubleshooter/repairman the Rachio is a tough cookie. Thanks for the intel. Nice chattin' with you.
Adin, first you'll want to be sure to see my video on dirty water sources to make sure you get good filtration before and after your sprinkler valves. Be sure to use sprinkler valves that are easy to take apart and clean like Hunter PGV or ASV valves. Unless you are going to be using a booster with a super high PSI output, you shouldn't need a drip system pressure regulator on each line. With dirty water, even with a filter before and after the sprinkler valve, you're still going to get organic or non-organic debris in your drip lines so I would suggest considering adjustable emitters like the ones shown on my video "The 3 main different types of drip...." Adjustable emitters can be unscrewed and flushed out as needed. Button emitters and drip tubing with emitters built-in cannot be cleaned out. If you're considering overhead sprays, I would suggest Hunter PGP Ultra rotors with low angle nozzles. You can't get the low angle nozzles at the home centers so be sure to get them at the professional landscape irrigation supplies. The low angle nozzles should stay under your canopies, depending on what you are growing. The rotor sprays shouldn't clog if you install the aforementioned filters. I hope that answers your question.
What would you recommend to replace a 30-station irritrol MC-e Blue series? I would like one that has high & low water alarms for each zone and wifi accessible.
The Hunter HPC can do up to 32 stations and can do wifi via the Hydrawise system. I am not sure what you mean by high and low water alarms but this timer can also connect with the Hunter wired or wireless Flow Clik sensor which will give you an alarm if there is a flow problem. The Hunter HCC can also do up to 54 stations.
@@SprinklerPros What I mean is that there are 'Established Normal' flow rates by zone & if they are under or over by more than a set % the controller needs to alarm.
I hope I'm not frustrating you with my attempts to answer you. In all honesty, I only have a few clients out of my thousands that even have a flow sensor, which is what is required to get flow alarms and all those flow sensors are on Hunter controllers. I didn't install any of those flow sensors. They were already installed when I began serving those clients. I believe Irritrol has a flow sensor and thus has controllers like the Total Control that can handle that many stations. To get alarms with the Irritrol series you'd also need their wifi add-on.
How do you test and set a rain sensor for a timer? I have Irritrol Kwik Dial 6 zones 12 years old. I have always wondered if my rain senso is working and if can set for different sensitivity. Came with house by the builder 12 years ago but no manual. Thank You!
slight correction for your search: RSD-BEx For pdf manual go to RainBird.com > Products > Controllers > Sensors & Meters > (select) RSD Series Rain Shut Off > select the Documents tab > (it will scroll down to the thumbnail of the manual then click on it and wah lah! Download that puppy.
My water company is offering 145 dollars rebate for each type timers, so if it has a built weather control and a moisture probe, do any of these units you have spoken about will do that?
Jim, I'm a fain of the Hunter Hydrawise series. They can tap into local weather stations or you can connect a Hunter Solar Sync to certain ones. Hunter also has a soil sensor. Baseline is a popular pro grade soil sensor mfr.
HELLO PRO, I WONDER HOW TO ATTACH A SECOND CLOSER TIMER. ONE BY BACK GARAGE DOOR AND VALVES ALREADY INSTALLED. AND ANOTHER BY THE KITCHEN/GARAGE DOOR FOR EASY ACCESS TO RE PROGRAM SOMEHOW!!?? THANKYOU, PATRICIA
Patricia, There are several factors involved to consider including electrical access. This would be best answered by a pro in your area who can look at your situation. Good luck.
@@SprinklerPros Well, I have called many to no avail. If it isn't easy, it's no go. There must be a way somehow. I know that there are 2 separate switches that control my kitchen lights and my long hall lights. It would involve running colored wires from old timer thru a wall to the 2nd timer at the garage light switch. I'm constantly walking seemingly miles on bad knees to adjust this or that. Thanks for replying. 🖐🇺🇸
Great question! Because the facts haven't changed. When a new controller hits the market that I believe tops the one I chose as #1 in this video then I will make a new BEST OF video on this topic. Until then I just keep the title relevant. The same goes for my other BEST OF series.
@@SprinklerPros Not really I have tried a couple of different brands at a couple of different customers and not sure I have found one that I like the best yet.
How can you say best with no rain bird? The tm2 is better than the hunter equivalent. How can you say best when you have no experience with the other brand.
Darren, I've been at this for over 37 yrs and have seen most that are on the market. I have experienced the TM2 and it's a nice timer. Here is a short video that explains where I get my professional opinions. Take care. th-cam.com/video/BEiKjde6xMQ/w-d-xo.html
Dan, it's in the Description section. Here is a copy/paste of it: Controllers page on Resources site: sprinklerpros.net/resources-irrigation-controllers-sprinkler-timers/
Thank you so much for the heads up. All of the Irritrol controller links are gone and then the server's site just went down so I will be looking into this. Thanks again.
David, I am not a fan of timers like the Rachio, Orbit, and some homeowner models of RainBird that have the clips for the wires. I can't do diagnostics easily with them and they can't handle more than one wire if needed. Also the Rachios can't be operated or programmed from the interface so I must go thru a process with the client to get access to it on my phone. It's better for techs to have walk up access to the interface and wiring.
Jason, the only thing that typically generates heat in the controller is the transformer if it's built inside the cabinet. Is the timer inside or outside? Which model is it?
You do not want Wi-Fi, and you do not want AC powered timers. If your power runs out you will be wasting a lot of money on watering and possibly flooding your house. With batteries you always have a power source.
Um…. Maybe get solenoids that require power to run… do they even make a sprinkler solenoid that opens on power failure? Batteries always have power? Am I missing your sarcasm or something?
I've been using Rachio since they came out, one of the very first WiFi enabled controllers. I think you're giving it short shrift here. I imagine many (if not most?) of your viewers are just individuals doing the work themselves, and your reasons for skipping it seem a bit obtuse from that perspective. Perhaps I'm wrong, you know your audience, but to not even mention it in the video seems a bit extreme.
John, I expressed my reasons. Most of my issues with it are based on the inability to easily diagnose issues down the road AND that the programming can only be accessed by way of smartphones--not computers. My videos are based on my experience and perspective from 40 years in the field. I don't expect everyone to see things the same.
Hunter controllers dont have a test program. Irritrol has a different key then all controllers a home owner would use. Toros are trash and just bad bad bad. RainBird esp is the best but I doubt you will ever here that RainBird makes anything good here. The NODE is the best battery op controller out there tho. I dont get any thing to offer my opinions on irrigation products and will only offer my honest opinion.
IRRITROL TOTAL CONTROL NOT CHEAP WHY BUY MORE BUY ONE HAVE ONE AT MY HOME 20 YEARS OLD STILL GOING NEVER SEE THEM GO BAD > LANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATION CONTRACTOR > 40 YEARS EXP Licensed- Bonded - Insured ARBORIST EXPERT LANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATION DESIGNER WATER LANDSCAPE AUDITER
Stephen, I agree. They are built like a tank. I even have a video about them th-cam.com/video/qTFAArAZ37g/w-d-xo.html But sometimes a property owner wants/needs more features like the Hunter timers can offer so I keep both brands on the truck. thanks for chiming in.
Landscape contractor for many years each company has its specialty Hunter has the best sprinkler heads rain bird has the best controllers bar none Toro can compete with its mowers the rest of them are all copycats or been swallowed up by the big names
Hunter copied Rainbird trust me I work for the parks department in Sparks Nevada from 1980 for many years and then got my contractor's license work with all the iron pipe brass rotors long before all the new equipment Rainbird is Superior in most always controllers valves again Hunter has the best gear driven rotors they were all copying by Hunter
I agree 100%... I am the irrigation manager for a large school district with 65 schools and have about 100 different controllers. I will agree, Rainbird controllers are better than Hunter. We have now started replacing and updating all controllers to the Rainbird LXME2. Rainbird PEB 2" valves have also worked out better for us than all others. Rotors, can't beat the Hunter i25 & i40.
I have your favorite hunter controller and it will not connect to my phone .. works great running it normal but can not get the WiFi to work .. disappointing
Just to be sure.......the timer needs to connect to the wifi router in the house. If you have the LATEST version of the timer that just came out a few wks ago, then it will initially connect to your smartphone via bluetooth but that is just a stepping stone to connecting the house wifi. If the timer won't connect to the house wifi then the router is too far away or there is a strong obstruction like a metal or concrete wall in between. Does any of that help?
There have been comments concerning the fact that the BEST OF series videos were created several yrs. ago yet I have the current year noted in the title. The reason is that the facts haven't changed yet and when they do, I'll be sure to create a new video reflecting the new information. Secondly, to provide current/relevant information, the title must reflect the current year's date in it. Thanks for trusting me to provide current/relevant information for you. 🖖
I recently installed the orbit b-hyve smart timer. It is super easy to control via the app, which is great to not need to go out to the box. It also has the ability to turn on the stations via phone app just like that rain dial remote. Definitely a good option for homeowners
So I must admit I was hesitant on these "new fangled" controllers and I'd "just" replaced my controllers (yes multiple in the last 6-8 years as I have 15 stations on 2 sides of our ranch home not to mention the other 4 controllers out in the entryway driveways!) So heck, if they were still working I didn't have to have "convenient" wireless controls. I'd just keep my controllers that were working and do what I'd always done since I was a teenager taking care of our family's home in the 1980's. Fast forward to 2022, Tom suggested the change over and I told him "nah, it's still working so I don't want to change it". Then I looked into it a bit more and thought, I'm revamping and in my professional engineering life I embrace new technology all the time... why not at home on my irrigation system. I pulled the trigger and did it. I am so happy I listened and did the upgrade to a remote controlled controller system. The convenience and time savings for testing, cleaning and repairs is amazing! I didn't know how much time and effort I'd save by switching to use the remote Hunter controller system, but now I do! (and yes I did my own research into comparison of systems outside of Tom's recommendations, I'm analytical and couldn't help it). All I can now say is "Thank you Tom, your recommendation was spot on and a God send for us!"
Hey, can you let us know which system you went with? Thank you!
Best controller for 2023…posted two years ago? This man was from the future!
Yep. As long as the truth of the video doesn't change, the date will be updated each year. Eventually I'll need to create a new one when a new model supercedes what I've highlighted. Thanks for the funny comment.
Nice job. Good education for the simple minded like me. I'm having a pro install a new unit at a 17 year old home we just moved into. He made sure all the heads where working and drip systems are functioning but in at the end we discovered the control unit wasn't getting power for some reason. Time for a new one with Wi-Fi capabilities. Thanks again for your video.
Mike, You're quite welcome.
Awesome video. I do agree that the new X2 hunter controllers are an excellent choice. Ever since we started stocking them on our shelves, it's hard to keep them in stock now. I work for an Irrigation/landscaping distributor in San Antonio Texas and also recommend the X2 controller to both my contractor n home owner customers alike. Again great video Tom.
Thanks for the input! I installed a 4-station yesterday and TWO 6-station today. I include a SmartPort/ROAM XL wiring harness with every Hunter timer installation. I also install them on every Hunter timer I come across on troubleshooting/repair jobs. Thanks for chiming in about where you live too. Fun to see where all the viewers are from.
I have an Irritrol MC 18. I've been using it since the mid 1980s. Every time I've thought of replacing it I didn't find anything better. But, I think the Hunter PRO C might be the one.
Tom, That's cool. Those MC-18's are diehards, but I'm glad we have dial alternatives now--they're so much easier to operate. That Pro-C is so versatile and can accommodate so many options including wifi. Thanks for being here.
I love using this timer for are projects highly recommended 👍🏼🙏🏼👏🏼
Totally agree!
Really liking your video. I would like to see how you would design and layout a sprinkler system including the lines.
Great suggestion! That will be in my future design series. Thanks for bringing it up. Helps me prioritize my vids.
I got a Hunter Pro HC yesterday. Installed an programmed in less than 30 mins first time. Hardest part was getting the Wi-Fi password from homeowner.
Tony, shweeet!
My Rain Dial had 2 stations not working. I thought it might be faulty but the retic guy showed me that the 2 stations in question were set to 'Pump:Off". A button press and it was "Pump:On". I haven't seen this function described in the manual.
Mick, there are many hidden features available for the RainDials that 99.9% of folks never use. This feature is on page 31 of the newest User Guide that can be downloaded from irritrol.com on the Rain Dial page. Thanks for being here and posting your comment/question.
Love the Rachio!
That's good to know.
Clarification: I mentioned in the video that the ICC2 is not WiFi capable. It actually is but with a commercial-grade ($$) irrigation mgt. platform called Centralus designed for the ICC2 and ACC2. This video is mainly for the 99.9% that have no need for that awesome platform. Thanks Sam for bringing this up.
Thanks for the info. I have an Orbit B-Hyve timer that just died on me after a mere three years. They made me use an on-line chat-bot for warranty support and the chat-bot said "I cannot help you with that. I'm going to transfer you to a different chat" ....and then the robot hung up on me! 😮😅
Now we don't even matter enough to have a robot take down our information.
I'm trying to find something with similar features to the B-Hyve, so I will definitely check your suggestions
I only have one solenoid switch which opens and closes five different zones by use of an indexing valve. So, for the timer I need the ability to run one single zone 5 different times on the same night when I water. I was able to do that on the B-hyve by bypassing all the Ecco features.
Tony, that's a trip what happened to you on the phone. I am not a fan of any Orbit products. I'm not quite sure what you're saying but if you need certain zones to come on at different times, all you need to do is group them on different programs, A and B, and give A and B different start times. You can do this on any decent timer with more than one program included.
@@SprinklerPros sorry about that. I guess I should really not post late at night, or at very least proof read what I have typed. I corrected my original post.
So... let me tell you why I gave you a thumbs up. I'm married but due to a medical condition, my husband periodically can't figure out things that were second nature to him before. That means, at 67, I have to step in on projects I know absolutely nothing about. Fortunately, I have a logical mind and, with the help of videos, etc., I can get us to where we need to be. (Not so lucky with cars, ugh). Anyway, thank you for making it so clear. We live on five forested and partially landscaped acres in North Idaho and just found the old Rainbird 6 zone dead as a doornail. I want to expand to 12, so this really helped. Thank you for helping this old lady!
Wow, that's great! BTW my mom developed five forested acres in No. Idaho as well yrs ago. It was above Sandpoint on Pack River Rd.. Am I warm? When her late husband got too ill they sold the place and moved into a brand new home in town until he passed. She eventually moved back to CA. Is there anything else I can help you with?
@@SprinklerPros very close. We are in Blanchard and often go to Sandpoint. We are hoping to be able to stay here for many years but know a condo may be in our future. Meanwhile, it's almost impossible to get a sprinkler dude to come out in the spring! Thank you so much and wish us luck! (And we will NEVER move back to CA!)
@@mizbehavin LOL!! Good luck! Maybe you have to bribe the sprinkler dudes with free beer.
Love the insight. While I get the “consumer grade vs pros” I would love to get your personal thoughts on the Ranchio controller. I don’t like WiFi enabled “smart devices”, but this one seems to have some validity behind it.
In my videos I attempt to not bash other brands. I prefer to make my points in other ways. In this video I showed the Rachio and eluded to my thoughts on it at the same time. It's a fine timer. I MIGHT go in more detail in a future vid. Thanks for bringing it up.
So much great content! And I love the funnies added in. 😄
Glad you like them!
You are a Hunter fan. Thats fine. They make the best pop-up in the Pro series. But there controller does not have a test program and you must program a test program into them using up 1 of the 3 programs where as RainBird does have a test program. Big advantage. Not to mention I can teach a customer in 15 mins how to operate and program a ESP where as the Hunter is always an issue for them and for some reason they end up adding multiple start times to the Hunter in errror. The RainBird esp / Extra Simple Programming is easier to operate and program.
I completely agree with you. In my opinion, Rain Bird controllers are more logical in programming. It is a pity that the RZX and TM2 models are not considered in the video.
17 years of experience and have had to fix or replace dozens of Hunter pro-c controllers never once had to work on a pro grade Rainbird
Thanks so much for your video. It was exactly what I needed to hear after reading all the reviews on the big box controllers: They don’t connect well to the home network, the apps are not user friendly, and for heaven sakes the software takes over the programming with weather forecasts, which seems ridiculous to me.
Anyway, I was trying to get you resource guide, but was stumped when my browser said the server was not available. Can you help me out?
I'm glad the info helped. Try the link again. My web person fixed the problem.
Hi I have finally finished my sprikle
. I need help picking controler thank you for video
Rudy, glad I could help
The only thing I don't like about the Irritrol R series timer is there is no 24-hour
clock, which at times can get you in trouble if you are not paying attention.
James, please explain how that can get you in trouble. This is a real question. I'm not being snarky.
@@SprinklerPros If you don't pay attention and set am instead of pm or vise versa you could be watering 12 hours from when you actually wanted to which could be desirable for what ever reason. I went to a local sprinkler shop show a few years back and l ask the Irritrol representative about it and he said oh yes it has a 24 hour clock. So he fumbled around with the display controller on the wall and could not find a 24 hour clock setting. He walked away scratching his head saying we have to get that resolved, however l do not think they ever did.
James, thank you for the explanation and I now understand what you meant and that's a good point. I have been installing those since they invented them and I've never heard of a 24 hr function on it. Yes, the AM and PM are too small as are the ones on the Hunter timers and I have accidentally done that myself several times over the yrs cuz I didn't see the AM/PM correctly.
Thx, exactly what I was looking for :)
Great! Thanks for being here, John.
Wow great understandable advice. Thanks for the I
insight.😊
Bishops peak? Thanks for the insight
Never had good luck with Irritrol timers.
Issues with the dial contacts and the internal voltage dropping from control board.
average life 5 -7 years.
Bummer. I deal with Irritrol timers all the time that have been in service as far back as 1993 and still going strong. Some of them fail but so do every other brand. What is your favorite brand and model that you have had good luck with?
Thank you for your help!
You're welcome!
Keep up the great work! 👍
When can we expect the battery operated control video?
I'm glad you asked. I just mentioned that upcoming video to a new client this afternoon and took photos of her b.o. timers that will probably be in that video. I have a long list of videos to create and only have time to work on them on the weekends. I work my irrigation repair business during the week (desk work at night) and videos on the weekends. I hope to complete my current video tomorrow night as I am going out of state on Fri. to work on my dad's irrigation system. That video might be my next one as it keeps coming up in my work life. Thanks for asking.
In a world full of technology; are we close to completely wireless irrigation controllers, solenoid vales and so forth?
I don't believe so because the valves/solenoids would need a wireless/battery-operated power source strong enough to send a signal to wherever the timers are AND need to replace those batteries on schedule.
Thank you for this video!
You are so welcome!
Just had a new sprinkler system put in at my lake home where I pump out of the lake. I have only 4 stations & they put a small Orbit controller that I HATE! I cant read the numbers, I dont like digital & can not figure it out. Its a cheap controller because I didnt think I needed 'state of the art' for such a small system. But, Im 75 & I do want to be able to work it! Is the Irritol Rain Dial RD 600 going to be the easist for me to switch to? Thanks so much!
TS, The RainDial timers are THE easiest and toughest timers on the market. If you are using lake water be sure to watch my video on the subject to save yourself ALOT of grief.
Your link to the HC 2400 takes you to the X2 8 station.
Thank you for letting me know. I see what you mean. If you click on the Get Price button it does that but I see that if you click on the model number under the photo it goes to the right place. I will fix that now.
We recently upgraded to the Hunter Hydrawise.
Newly subscribed! Looked at your irrigation controller review, certainly interesting but l'll stick with my newly installed Rachio. Must say though had quite experience with a so-called pro installer. From exposed electrical wires, unsealed knockout lugs, loose outside mounted box & plastic weather box installed unlevel plus even the vertical conduit had its own awkward vertical angle. So anyways it ran once & only once, had the sprinkler company owner over to show the messy install & test the 12v transformer. Of course the transformer was dead (no current passing through). This was the insult to injury on top of all the other sloppy practices. Our conversation got testy to say the least when he said "transformer is bad from the manufacturer". After a resounding "REALLY!?!? & did you see the dried water marks inside the weather box & the location below of a sprinkler head?" It finally connected & he offered to fix it all after the new transformer came in. Of course I didn't want them near the house again. Originally, I had planned on doing the install myself. But, this is what happens when you walk the dogs one evening and an irrigation company is doing work next door (replacing damaged sprinkler heads after pool install) & they pass on their business card. Have to keep reminding myself "it's never the price but the cost"!
BTW, impressed with the Rachio only 6 six zones used & it's built for 8. Next model up is 16 zones. It's built for rain & wind avoidance. Of course WiFi & internet compatibility plus it runs off the cell phone being an App. My next target for improvement is optimization of the sprinkler heads & coverage, hence my joining your TH-cam.
Cheers
P. S. Located in Central Florida
Yikes!! Yah, I follow behind these guys ALL the time. If it wasn't for them I'd be out of business 🙃. I truly feel so sorry for the people that have spent sometimes thousands of dollars on other guys that botched their projects just to have to pay me to come in and do it over. My grandparents lived in Stuart. Are you anywhere near there?
@@SprinklerPros Tks for the reply. Well, I have a default relief saying to myself, "it could of been alot worse" & it cost me 100 bucks. Lesson learned! I am near Orlando, Stuart is south-east some 2.5hrs. Cheers.
Hunter...nothing is simple for avg user. Hydrawise is way behind rachio or behyve
A couple of reasons I prefer the Hunter wifi models is that you can operate it on the interface and it has standard screw-type terminals for easy diagnostics. Not to argue, just asking....how do you believe that Hydrawise is BEHIND? The way I've viewed it is that they are just different. Rachio is a product that is built on a super simple design using a circuit board and a minimalistic enclosure for those who JUST want wifi access and a super simple timer. BeHyve is a wifi Orbit timer so it's built similar to a typical Orbit timer. Both the Rachio and BeHyve have clip-in wire connections. I have had constant problems with the Rachio on various properties when I attempt to use my phone as a guest remote control. It keeps losing my access so I need to keep going back to my email permissions and starting over. I don't have that trouble with Hydrawise or BeHyve.
@@SprinklerPros thanks for the dialog. I've had the rachio 2 for 5 years(?), no issues. I'm a reel geek (@thelawnforum) who likes a fairway lawn, not an installer so I can see why your biases (not disparaging) are different. From my memory, hydrawise relied on you to know how long a zone should run, not intelligent as to ask you 'is this a rotor, fan, etc' to help suggest run times. Many residents have no clue on percip rates, nor does their 'help'. Didn't ask soil type, slope and don't recall if it allowed it to run cycles (soak time) ...say that zone was for 16 min, option to run 8 min then an hour later another 8. That was 2-3 years ago, maybe hunter caught up? Rachio can run w/o wifi if memory is correct however the interface is near idiot proof, advanced if you are. Weather forecast /prediction saves wasting water/money regardless.
Yep. From your perspective, the Rachio rules. Like you said, as an installer/troubleshooter/repairman the Rachio is a tough cookie. Thanks for the intel. Nice chattin' with you.
Please make a video on Rachio-3
Hmm. I don't install those unless someone buys one and hires me to install it. Is there something in particular that you would like to know about it?
@@SprinklerPros Yes how does it compare to X2
What do you suggest for a small orchard 35 fruit trees? I’m looking at trenching soon we get our water from and irrigation canal
Adin, first you'll want to be sure to see my video on dirty water sources to make sure you get good filtration before and after your sprinkler valves. Be sure to use sprinkler valves that are easy to take apart and clean like Hunter PGV or ASV valves. Unless you are going to be using a booster with a super high PSI output, you shouldn't need a drip system pressure regulator on each line. With dirty water, even with a filter before and after the sprinkler valve, you're still going to get organic or non-organic debris in your drip lines so I would suggest considering adjustable emitters like the ones shown on my video "The 3 main different types of drip...." Adjustable emitters can be unscrewed and flushed out as needed. Button emitters and drip tubing with emitters built-in cannot be cleaned out.
If you're considering overhead sprays, I would suggest Hunter PGP Ultra rotors with low angle nozzles. You can't get the low angle nozzles at the home centers so be sure to get them at the professional landscape irrigation supplies. The low angle nozzles should stay under your canopies, depending on what you are growing. The rotor sprays shouldn't clog if you install the aforementioned filters. I hope that answers your question.
What would you recommend to replace a 30-station irritrol MC-e Blue series? I would like one that has high & low water alarms for each zone and wifi accessible.
The Hunter HPC can do up to 32 stations and can do wifi via the Hydrawise system. I am not sure what you mean by high and low water alarms but this timer can also connect with the Hunter wired or wireless Flow Clik sensor which will give you an alarm if there is a flow problem. The Hunter HCC can also do up to 54 stations.
@@SprinklerPros What I mean is that there are 'Established Normal' flow rates by zone & if they are under or over by more than a set % the controller needs to alarm.
I hope I'm not frustrating you with my attempts to answer you. In all honesty, I only have a few clients out of my thousands that even have a flow sensor, which is what is required to get flow alarms and all those flow sensors are on Hunter controllers. I didn't install any of those flow sensors. They were already installed when I began serving those clients. I believe Irritrol has a flow sensor and thus has controllers like the Total Control that can handle that many stations. To get alarms with the Irritrol series you'd also need their wifi add-on.
How do you test and set a rain sensor for a timer? I have Irritrol Kwik Dial 6 zones 12 years old. I have always wondered if my rain senso is working and if can set for different sensitivity. Came with house by the builder 12 years ago but no manual. Thank You!
Daniel, do you know the brand and model of the rain sensor?
@@SprinklerPros Rainbird RESD-BEx
slight correction for your search: RSD-BEx For pdf manual go to RainBird.com > Products > Controllers > Sensors & Meters > (select) RSD Series Rain Shut Off > select the Documents tab > (it will scroll down to the thumbnail of the manual then click on it and wah lah! Download that puppy.
Are most brands of sprinkler timers compatible with most brands of valves, assuming the voltage is the same? Thank you in advance!
Yes they are. The timers and sprinkler valves are independent of each other.
My water company is offering 145 dollars rebate for each type timers, so if it has a built weather control and a moisture probe, do any of these units you have spoken about will do that?
Jim, I'm a fain of the Hunter Hydrawise series. They can tap into local weather stations or you can connect a Hunter Solar Sync to certain ones. Hunter also has a soil sensor. Baseline is a popular pro grade soil sensor mfr.
HELLO PRO, I WONDER HOW TO ATTACH A SECOND CLOSER TIMER. ONE BY BACK GARAGE DOOR AND VALVES ALREADY INSTALLED. AND ANOTHER BY THE KITCHEN/GARAGE DOOR FOR EASY ACCESS TO RE PROGRAM SOMEHOW!!?? THANKYOU, PATRICIA
Patricia, There are several factors involved to consider including electrical access. This would be best answered by a pro in your area who can look at your situation. Good luck.
@@SprinklerPros Well, I have called many to no avail. If it isn't easy, it's no go. There must be a way somehow. I know that there are 2 separate switches that control my kitchen lights and my long hall lights. It would involve running colored wires from old timer thru a wall to the 2nd timer at the garage light switch. I'm constantly walking seemingly miles on bad knees to adjust this or that. Thanks for replying. 🖐🇺🇸
run wire to old timer up grade it
Why does the title say 2023 yet the video was uploaded 2yrs ago?
Great question! Because the facts haven't changed. When a new controller hits the market that I believe tops the one I chose as #1 in this video then I will make a new BEST OF video on this topic. Until then I just keep the title relevant. The same goes for my other BEST OF series.
Have you made a video on rai sensors?
Not yet. It's on my list. Do you have a specific question?
@@SprinklerPros Not really I have tried a couple of different brands at a couple of different customers and not sure I have found one that I like the best yet.
I prefer the Hunter Wireless Rain Clik. I recently installed the Irritrol rain sensor on a RainDial.
How can you say best with no rain bird? The tm2 is better than the hunter equivalent. How can you say best when you have no experience with the other brand.
Darren, I've been at this for over 37 yrs and have seen most that are on the market. I have experienced the TM2 and it's a nice timer. Here is a short video that explains where I get my professional opinions. Take care. th-cam.com/video/BEiKjde6xMQ/w-d-xo.html
I can't see link where to buy the sprinkler timers - where can I buy them?
Dan, it's in the Description section. Here is a copy/paste of it: Controllers page on Resources site: sprinklerpros.net/resources-irrigation-controllers-sprinkler-timers/
Hello I think something is wrong with your resource I click on the item and then the price and I do not see the price.
Jim, when you click the _Get the Price_ button, it's supposed to take you to that item on Amazon. Is that not happening? If so, which item is it?
@@SprinklerPros Ok the Hunter controller price is now working but the Irritrol ones are not.
Thank you so much for the heads up. All of the Irritrol controller links are gone and then the server's site just went down so I will be looking into this. Thanks again.
Why don’t you like the rachio pro 3?
David, I am not a fan of timers like the Rachio, Orbit, and some homeowner models of RainBird that have the clips for the wires. I can't do diagnostics easily with them and they can't handle more than one wire if needed. Also the Rachios can't be operated or programmed from the interface so I must go thru a process with the client to get access to it on my phone. It's better for techs to have walk up access to the interface and wiring.
Thanks i have it and love it buy your not a fan so 😢maybe ill get the hunter version
What would cause my controller to get hot to the touch?
Jason, the only thing that typically generates heat in the controller is the transformer if it's built inside the cabinet. Is the timer inside or outside? Which model is it?
You do not want Wi-Fi, and you do not want AC powered timers. If your power runs out you will be wasting a lot of money on watering and possibly flooding your house. With batteries you always have a power source.
Um…. Maybe get solenoids that require power to run… do they even make a sprinkler solenoid that opens on power failure? Batteries always have power? Am I missing your sarcasm or something?
I miss my ht6100.
Those timers were awesome in their day. I still run across them including recently and they're still going strong!
Well, the RainBird pro/commercial controller is a pain to decipher.
I've been using Rachio since they came out, one of the very first WiFi enabled controllers. I think you're giving it short shrift here. I imagine many (if not most?) of your viewers are just individuals doing the work themselves, and your reasons for skipping it seem a bit obtuse from that perspective. Perhaps I'm wrong, you know your audience, but to not even mention it in the video seems a bit extreme.
John, I expressed my reasons. Most of my issues with it are based on the inability to easily diagnose issues down the road AND that the programming can only be accessed by way of smartphones--not computers. My videos are based on my experience and perspective from 40 years in the field. I don't expect everyone to see things the same.
“Confusing and difficult to operate”. Sounds like the mobile app for the Hunter controller my sprinkler company just installed at my house. Downvoted
Hunter controllers are trot line anchors.
Hunter controllers dont have a test program. Irritrol has a different key then all controllers a home owner would use. Toros are trash and just bad bad bad. RainBird esp is the best but I doubt you will ever here that RainBird makes anything good here. The NODE is the best battery op controller out there tho. I dont get any thing to offer my opinions on irrigation products and will only offer my honest opinion.
IRRITROL TOTAL CONTROL NOT CHEAP WHY BUY MORE BUY ONE HAVE ONE AT MY HOME 20 YEARS OLD STILL GOING NEVER SEE THEM GO BAD > LANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATION CONTRACTOR > 40 YEARS EXP Licensed- Bonded - Insured ARBORIST EXPERT LANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATION DESIGNER WATER LANDSCAPE AUDITER
Stephen, I agree. They are built like a tank. I even have a video about them th-cam.com/video/qTFAArAZ37g/w-d-xo.html But sometimes a property owner wants/needs more features like the Hunter timers can offer so I keep both brands on the truck. thanks for chiming in.
Landscape contractor for many years each company has its specialty Hunter has the best sprinkler heads rain bird has the best controllers bar none Toro can compete with its mowers the rest of them are all copycats or been swallowed up by the big names
Having trouble playing the video, is it just me?
Maybe. I am not aware of any issues. Let me know if it persists.
@@SprinklerPros still not playing for me, scratching my head...
@@SprinklerPros just following up, video has been working on my end. Thank you for your response
@@ed_beltran shweet! THanks for letting me know.
Hunter copied Rainbird trust me I work for the parks department in Sparks Nevada from 1980 for many years and then got my contractor's license work with all the iron pipe brass rotors long before all the new equipment Rainbird is Superior in most always controllers valves again Hunter has the best gear driven rotors they were all copying by Hunter
I agree 100%... I am the irrigation manager for a large school district with 65 schools and have about 100 different controllers. I will agree, Rainbird controllers are better than Hunter. We have now started replacing and updating all controllers to the Rainbird LXME2. Rainbird PEB 2" valves have also worked out better for us than all others. Rotors, can't beat the Hunter i25 & i40.
I have your favorite hunter controller and it will not connect to my phone .. works great running it normal but can not get the WiFi to work .. disappointing
Just to be sure.......the timer needs to connect to the wifi router in the house. If you have the LATEST version of the timer that just came out a few wks ago, then it will initially connect to your smartphone via bluetooth but that is just a stepping stone to connecting the house wifi. If the timer won't connect to the house wifi then the router is too far away or there is a strong obstruction like a metal or concrete wall in between. Does any of that help?