No book spoilers but I'll be really interested in how they go forward with the deviations from B&C. I'm not disappointed that they didn't show the murder but I am confused as to how they'll work in the ways the surviving characters of that incident are affected when they didn't include certain parts.
They didnt fuck it up. He asked what happens if they cant find him and Daemon smirked and it cut away. A son for a son. She wanted Aemund. Daemon wanted just blood
Show runner really butchered the whole event it was real disappointing execution. Also I don't know what's their agenda to white wash everything that blacks do.
@@AK-pw3oq Butchered is ridiculous hyperbole. Why does everything have to be a masterpiece or dogshit, jesus christ. It was less brutal but it was fine. The blacks haven't really been whitewashed either, Daemon has done some horrible shit, Rhaenys killed hundreds of smallfolk, even Rhaenyra has done some messed up stuff. Especially considering the source material is an in world history book written by multiple maesters with an agenda years after the fact who all contradict each other, the most unreliable narrator possible. A lot of fellow book readers/lore knowers are embarrassing the fandom with this episode, making us all look insufferable.
Fun tidbit: Syrax is believed to be the mother of Vermax, Arrax and Tyraxes (the dragons of Rhaenyra's 3 oldest sons) so when Rhaenyra is mourning over the remains on the beach, Syrax is grieving the loss of her offspring as well. So damn sad.
It's crazy how every reactor just assumes Daemon wouldn't have been ok with what happened. They cut away from his response to "what if we can't find Aemond" for a reason.
I mean the killers even quote Daemon as having said "a son for a son", which we didn't see him say. Which pretty much means that was his response when they asked "what if we can't find Aemond". He's implicitly giving consent to kill *any* son of the Greens.
The Normies seems to forgot the reason they choose cheese team cuz they are the only one who knows the secret meagor’s hidden tunnels and also people in the castle knows the rat catcher so they wouldn’t suspect them, Daemon physically cannot do it by himself cuz when they passed the king they’ll definitely recognized him.
Yeah, it irks me a bit when people say she's not on the right headspace to back up the argument that she's not "making the wisest choice". THERE'S NO WISE CHOICE HERE THEY JUST KILLED HER CHILD OF COURSE SHE WANTS REVENGE
Daemon’s plan didn’t fuck up at all. Rewatch the scene when they asked “what if we can’t find him?” (Which is a good question) and Daemon gave a sly smirk. This is the next best thing. The Denzel Washington meme said it best “I’m leaving here with something”
"Daemon should've done it himself" you don't think everyone in that castle would recognize him? He clearly WANTED to kill Aemond himself but knows he can't get close enough to do it
A lot of the designs on the intro were the drawings on Helaena's wall. It's almost as if she's the one weaving out the events through history because she's always embroidering something.
Daemon's purpose was not to make a strategic move, a well thought action, he's the ROGUE prince, he wanted revenge and revenge was served. If Blood and Cheese would have in fact found Aemond, the chances of they killing him were too small, so neutralizing him and Vhagar is wishful thinking.
@@mimig3904I don’t think Daemon wants war. If he did he wouldn’t be so insistent about finishing the war. I think what he wants is every Hightower dead, and he can only accomplish that through war.
It was a strategic move too. By mentally ruining Helaena they make it so she cant ride her dragon into battle. Her dragon is Dreamfyre, one of the strongest dragons alive. Which now wont be joining the fight.
I think the rat catcher knowing that she was telling the truth was, in a REALLY fucked up way, is one of the only times that someone has really taken the effort to emotionally connect to Helaena rather than it being a reflection of the rat catcher's intelligence.
@@alwandemthethwa7594 He was seen throughout the episode, though. I noticed that they focused on him when he walked by Alicent by the stairs and when Aegon and Otto were talking with the smallfolk in the throne room. The giant doors were open, and you could see the rat catcher walking with his dog as if they were placing a big red arrow on top of him, and of course, Helaena talking about rats.
@TheWanderingTigress look I get that he was everywhere and all, but I also only noticed him when the normies did aswell when I was watching on my own 😅
right?! i feel like all the normies are just just two brain cells when trying to figure stuff out. i caught what helaena said and notice the foreshadowing first watch. 😂
Syrax also feels a great loss for Arrax, Lucerys' dragon was hatched from her egg. Two mothers mourn their own children. The scene when little Joffrey throws the horse into the fire that previously belonged to Luce and he was playing with at Laena's funeral is also painful.
The ending is a rare case of the show TONING DOWN something from the book. For context, this is what happened in the book: Blood and Cheese found Helaena as they did in the show, however she and Aegon had two sons, not a son and a daughter, so they made her choose which son they'd kill and which one they'd spare. She fought back, begged them to kill her instead, and eventually, they forced her to choose. Then, after she chose, they killed the OTHER son instead, and said the one she chose would grow up knowing his mother chose him to be killed.
Yep, very disappointed in this first episode, this change was unnecessary just like the "beast beneath the boards" of last season. I fear this show may be headed towards another game of thrones season 8 situation if they keep changing shit like that
@@LaCheeserie No. The Blood and Cheese thing happens in the Hand's Tower, in Alicents quarters. The show has changed it and in doing so made the entire scene dumber.
@707Chiva yeah they are as casual as most watchers, so sum details are lost on them, I myself watch shows with deep focus, so I just assumed since these are like pretty much ancestors to Denearys, that I should scrap alot of what I know from the time of Robert's reign as king
I dont think Daemon sees it as a dumb plan. Blood and Cheese did EXACTLY what they were paid to do. They also dont have any personal gain from killing anybody else. So it makes no sense they would try to kill Helaena and Jaehaera as well. They got paid to kill a son, they did.
@@BhBc8f8 There was no military strategy behind Rhaenyra wanting Aemond dead. Its purely revenge. She wasnt looking for a military advantage. So no it was not dumb.
Unless I'm misremembering, the big one seemed to hate the Hightowers and said "Fuck the Hightowers" so wouldn't he have personal gain (also increased personal risk) by killing as much of their family as he can?
What threw me off a little in that last scene was Alicent and Criston banging with their door unlocked. Like that's just crazy and so supremely careless. Is their affair such an open secret at this point that they don't care who sees them?
Why would a royal lock a door? Anybody coming in the queens chamber without being summoned better have a damned good reason for doing so. Plus, if the wrong person sees you, it's nothing a summary execution can't fix!
@@tonyj9743 valid for normal circumstances but I got the feeling they probably wanted to keep their affair a secret since she's newly widowed and he has an oath so that seemed like a pretty big oversight.
@@EchanteDante I'm also oddly happy for her that she's finally having sex that she wants and likes. No offense to Viserys, RIP, but she didn't seem like she was having much coital fun in their relationship.
The reason Aegon doesn't know what to do is cause he was never invited to sit in on stuff. So he's just winging it and they are all acting like he should know what's going on.
Y’all need to pay attention more LOL. Cheese literally asked “what if we can’t find him” and then Daemon does his evil grin….what do you think he told them to do if they can’t find Aemond…A son for a son.
I would like to thank all of the commenters who cleared up my suspicion. When I watched this alone, I was confused because Deamon gave a clear description: "Silver hair, ONE EYE"... htf do you confuse that with a CHILD WITH 2 EYES?! Then I remembered, "What if we dont find him?" and I got curious about if this was the backup plan. So, a big THANK YOU to all of you capeless heroes 🥰
Congrats Marketa and Chris on the baby! The Winterfell theme literally almost made me cry, it's been a while since I heard it. Those last ten minutes were so intense.
The sounds in *that* scene were genuinely horrific. I've never heard what something like that would sound, but I feel like the sound designers made it so that I feel like I did.
When I was a teenager I was dumb enough to watch a video from n*zies who caught migrants in Russia. Well... In this video the sound of the head being ctoff was very similar to what I heard in this episode... It was so fucked up to refresh this memory
Haven’t watched the episode proper, but the sounds of it in this reaction were very tame compared to an execution video I’ve ever seen. Only knife on bone sounds, no gurgling as the kid chokes on his blood, no sound of blood hitting the ground
There were two Kingsgaurd in the throne room and one in Alicent's room. It can be assumed that there's still a Kingsgaurd up on the outer wall looking for dragons. That's all 4 since Rhaenyra has the other 3 Kingsgaurd.
@@whyte4315trained is a big word, but Rhaenyra was pretty much present in councils during all his childhood as a cupbearer and as active participant while married to Laenor.
@@whyte4315 Rhaenyra was, she studied, she was cup bearer to her father, so she would watch the council at work, she was part of the council, once named the heir, and she was shown to be able to strike deals to solve problems the greens didn’t care for.
@@aileenpi73she also had flaws like Aegon does. She didnt take her duties seriously enough to court Allies to her side and just assumed her Relatives in the Baratheons would support her while offering nothing. She was rather flippant and discouterous to her Suiters and made powerful enemies in the Lannister's because she thought her dad was just pawning her off when he was trying to marry her to a suiter Equal to her status as the Queen of the Realm. She doesnt take into account the feelings of the smallfolk even when Daemon is telling her its important to keep her ear to the ground and listen to what her subjects believe if she wants to rule. And she has a habit of wanting her Cake and eating it too when it comes to marriage and her seeking pleasure. Aegon at least has shown he isnt another Joffery/Ramsay who sees the smallfolk as his playthings and knows he needs to meet their needs when he can as their King. He cared about his son and wanted to show him how to rule,which is something Viserys never did for him. Aegon is stepping to the occasion thrust upon him by his Mother and now shes upset.
@@whyte4315 Rhaenyra was trained but I don't think she has the temperament to be a good ruler either. This episode was actually a good showcase of that. You can say Daemon is being unsympathetic but he's spitting facts when he talks to Rhaenys about how Rhaenyra's absence is affecting their war effort. At least for the Greens even though Aegon is hard to deal with in the war room, at least they can proceed with their alliances and strategies rather than just sitting around waiting like the Blacks are doing.
@@manul7024You do realize that the comment is vague af right? It can mean Haelena will die, or maybe she’ll go down the path of darkness and become evil, or maybe she’ll suffer the most out of all the greens. Tons of possibilities.
chesee asked deamon what if we cant find Aemond then it cuts away then later blood sad he sad "son for a son" so it was very clear to me that after they cut away deamon sad son for a son
Chris trying to rationalize that it was a stupid plan is hilarious….it had nothing to do with taking out a military threat. The goal was revenge…period
@@johnjoseph6874well at least in the show the original plan is to kill aemond. The book straight up shows B&C had a well thought out plan to kill Jaehaerys specifically.
@@vitaaerisman smashed his wife's head in with a rock. Daemon is a straight up villain, up until Aemond killed Luke, Daemon was the one who did the most evil shit in the show, he absolutely would order that shit
@@vitaaeris "A son for a son, he said" says Blood. So then isn't that a sign of what Daemons response was since that isn't said in the scene with Daemon we see.
My personal theory is that Daemon was ok with the plan failing. He wants war. Even if the Greens catch the assassins, all B&C have to do is say "Daemon told us he wanted a son for a son" and they'll be motivated to war. If they succeed, great. If not, acceptable.
@@Adamantium93 The plan didn't even fail. Sure Daemon would have preferred Aemond but the fact that Cheese asked what to do if they couldn't find Aemond and the implied response was "a son for a son" shows that Daemon wanted to inflict pain to accelerate the war.
@@Adamantium93technically by all accounts daemon just saved his sons life for blood and cheese killing jaehareys as cruel as it was he secured his family’s future along with jace. Daemon took out all the male heirs on aegons side and since he was so badly crippled he couldn’t have anymore nor could he put one of his bastards on the throne either or his daughter. It was all around a win win for daemon no matter how it looked like.
Not Chris saying "they could have killed the king" you mean the king who was surrounded by dudes sitting on the throne itself surrounded by blades? lmao
Alicent wasn't defending Aemond in that scene with Otto. She was doing the opposite. Luc took Aemond's eye but "no matter how vicious" it was he didn't deserve to get killed the way he did. She's been furious with Aemond ever since and I wish we had the scene of her and Otto roasting Aemond after he confessed.
Yeah that was a regret with the episode. "You only lost one eye, how could you be so blind" is such a bar from Otto. I hope they find a way to use it in the season.
Almost every reactor has failed at reacting or watching this episode lmao yall clearly didn’t see daemons face when they ask him “what if we can’t find Aegon” he simply looks up and them and smirks. He didn’t give a fuck who it was. All that mattered was a son died. And a son did die 😂
In the book I thought they make Helena pick her favorite child to live and they end up killing that one? So the child who lived would know the mother gave him up for the rest of his life.
They literally demand that she decide what child died. Helaena does offer herself in place of her sons, but they refuse it. "A wife isn't a son," Cheese said. They even claim that if she doesn't decide, Blood would do disgusting things to her daughter. Heleana eventually decided to let her younger son die (since he was only 2) but instead they beheaded Jahaerys
Considering who it was written by, it could've just been blown out propaganda against the blacks, probably to aid sympathy and just to the winners of this war.
Some comment said that Cole was supposed to be guarding Helena’s door cause she’s the new queen. But I’m not sure since he was sworn to Alicent specifically
@@franzk798 Considering they completely butchered that scene from the books. No. Alicent was supposed to be in the room gagged while they killed the boy.
i felt that Otto could tell Aegon wasnt going to budge on that request..it was the way the actor emphasized the word "smallfOLK" clicking his tongue and staring directly at otto afterwards..it was subtle but standoffish. Aegon said "alright your not convincing me otherwise im doing this grandpa" kind of vibe. Aegon is actually alot like both of his parents hes not a total asshole or pushover wich is refreshing becuase it always feels like we get the extreme with most kings in westeros.
The Books are so different, There were 3 children presend and she choose the younger son Maegor and Cheese said to Maegor "You hear that, little boy? Your momma wants you dead." Then Cheese signals Blood to kill Prince Jaehaerys instead who was the eldest and she screamed and blood and cheese left with Jaehaerys Head.
@@olegshtolc7245 they started this fight, and while I feel bad for any toddler dying, especially in that way, I was more attached to Luke even in his limited screen time, he seemed like a nice boy. So in general I wasn't really swayed much to convert all the way to Team Green.
Daemon didn't fuck up, something slightly more emphasized in the book is the Aegon Vs Rhaenyra fight, Jaehaerys in the book and in the show was intended, Rhaenyra wanted Aemond, but if you think about it, The Queen's son was killed (luke) so now the King's son must die as well. It's the truest and most equal form of A Son for a Son. Gotta give GRRM a round of applause for that one.
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This was a great plan what are yall talking about?? Literally a son for a son AND it was the heir to the throne. It was an accidental big time chess move
It wasn't accidental. That was Plan B. Rewatch the scene with Daemon and then pay attention to the dialogue right before they commit the act and it's very easy to piece together what they should do if they didn't find Aemond.
I am in awe of the scene when Jace returns from the North. He's trying so hard to do his duty with a straight face but the news that his one of his brothers is dead is eating at him hard. And Rhaenyra (as a mother) goes to comfort him and share in his sorrow. For that moment there, they forgot about the crown and politics and just thought about the family they lost.
“Have you taught this boy nothing?” No, they haven’t. He grew up with the notion he wouldn’t be king. His father didn’t give a damn about him or his other children. Why would he have been raised to know anything about being king when he was treated like crap by both of his parents? Expecting too much out of someone who became king from one day to the next is crazy.
Has anyone noticed that the version of the House Stark theme in the establishing shot of Winterfell is called 'Goodbye Brother,' and the raven seen during this moment is carrying the message of Lucerys' death? This is literally the moment when Jacaerys has to say goodbye to his brother.
I think I posted this before for you Suraj. The scorpions are a desert animal named by desert people. The Dornish. It was used to kill meraxes and raenys. The sister and dragon of aegon the conqueror. It’s been around forever. You really trust the lord of truth qyburn and the most honourable queen Cersei to tell the truth?
Daemon told them to kill the son of Aegon if they couldnt find Aemond. It was also not just a dumb revenge plan, but a tactical move. Helaena rides Dreamfyre, one of the strongest dragons alive. By mentally scarring her this bad, they take out a very powerfull dragonrider while also getting a son for a son.
@@AK-pw3oq I dunno, I read what others said was supposed to actually happen, but if you took a step back and really thought about it, for non book readers, seeing a mother having to choose which of her children is to be murdered, then seeing the kid's look of surprise before hearing all those horrible sounds of a child being beheaded is probably brutal enough. You're really only missing some verbal stuff when it comes down to it.
Aegon II losing his heir is the only reason he left Rhaenyra's heir alive so Daemon was right. Nothing makes you more illegitimate than the absence of heirs
But now because of Jaehaerys's death Rhaenrya's claim will be weaker because the common folk/lords will assume that Rhaenyra had a child killed and would not want to be ruled by someone like that, they'll prefer Aegon II after his "loving" council session. Stupid Daemon eh. 🤣
Blood and Cheese aren't the smartest, but when Cheese asks what if they can't find Aemond, Damon gives him a sinister look, and its implied he responded with "A Son for a Son"
@@jonathanradut2595 Of course it is. It's not just the Valyria though, but the whole Targaryen dynasty up until this point of the story. It just happens that it was made for book readers to get it.
ok and? he’s more than just a rapist or an alcoholic. just as much as daemon is more than a wife killer. y’all trying to be all morally correct with hotd wouldn’t stan 99% of the characters in got.
They weren't being dumb, Daemon wanted a son for a son, when they asked what if they cant find Aemond, the show cuts away and implies that for a reason. In the book Daemon does not care about the son, he just wants a son, and prefers the heir to the throne which is the kid Jaehaerys. Also yes, this was a strategic victory because now Aegon's heir is dead which means Aemond is the heir, which puts Aegon's life potentially in danger from internal factional infighting and assasination. You're also missing that both factions have pacifist and pro-war blocks (Aemond and Cole on team green, and Daemon on team black). Having a son killed on each side is in the interest of the pro war block of both factions. Daemon regrets nothing from this night.
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In the books they know haelena schedule of bringing kids to alicent , they kill alicents handmaid , gagg Alicent , choose haelena ro chose which son to kill, she choose younger son but blood kills the elder anyway.
"'You hear that, little boy?' Cheese whispered to Maelor. 'Your mother wants you dead.' Then he gave Blood a grin, and the hulking swordsman slew Prince Jaehaerys, striking off the boy's head with a single blow".
Marketa is my favorite for GOT related videos. I can't wait to see her reaction to the end ;( Those who know what I'm talking about know. Marketa "just in two different places" lmfao! 26:15
This happened according to the book! The book's actually a lot more brutal, they actually intended to kill the kid and not Aemond, and Halaena was begging to kill her instead but they killed her son anyway
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Yes blood and cheese was better in the books , in the show it was underwhelming as hell
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B&Ch is not even half as dark as in books it all happen in Alicent place and Helaean screamed on all castle she has one more son in books
it's not about the gore. It was more disturbing because the kids were awake and they forced her to choose who dies.
No book spoilers but I'll be really interested in how they go forward with the deviations from B&C. I'm not disappointed that they didn't show the murder but I am confused as to how they'll work in the ways the surviving characters of that incident are affected when they didn't include certain parts.
They didnt fuck it up. He asked what happens if they cant find him and Daemon smirked and it cut away. A son for a son. She wanted Aemund. Daemon wanted just blood
Yeah, how that isn't incredibly obvious to people is beyond me
Yes! I think they missed
They did B&C killing Jahaerys was a mistake Ryan confirmed it.
Show runner really butchered the whole event it was real disappointing execution. Also I don't know what's their agenda to white wash everything that blacks do.
@@AK-pw3oq Butchered is ridiculous hyperbole. Why does everything have to be a masterpiece or dogshit, jesus christ. It was less brutal but it was fine. The blacks haven't really been whitewashed either, Daemon has done some horrible shit, Rhaenys killed hundreds of smallfolk, even Rhaenyra has done some messed up stuff. Especially considering the source material is an in world history book written by multiple maesters with an agenda years after the fact who all contradict each other, the most unreliable narrator possible. A lot of fellow book readers/lore knowers are embarrassing the fandom with this episode, making us all look insufferable.
Fun tidbit: Syrax is believed to be the mother of Vermax, Arrax and Tyraxes (the dragons of Rhaenyra's 3 oldest sons) so when Rhaenyra is mourning over the remains on the beach, Syrax is grieving the loss of her offspring as well. So damn sad.
Damn. 💔
idc fuck lucerys should’ve just cut out his eye or not play with knives as a kid
That's not a fun fact... :(
This is a cute idea, but as far as we know the dragons don’t care about their offspring or one another. They only seem to care about their riders.
@@nezfromhki LOL. OK, fair. That was probably a poor choice of words. How about "interesting fact?"
It's crazy how every reactor just assumes Daemon wouldn't have been ok with what happened. They cut away from his response to "what if we can't find Aemond" for a reason.
exactly and im pretty sure he gives a half smile before it cuts away
Agreed. The promo for next episode has Rhaenyra chewing him out for it, so it was 100% his idea and order.
I mean, Blood literally says "'A son for a son' he said." Who did they think said that? The dog?
I mean the killers even quote Daemon as having said "a son for a son", which we didn't see him say. Which pretty much means that was his response when they asked "what if we can't find Aemond". He's implicitly giving consent to kill *any* son of the Greens.
@@Adamantium93 Black Fans are more angry that the dog got kicked than that Jaehaerys was murdered. They just can't admit their side is in the wrong.
The Normies seems to forgot the reason they choose cheese team cuz they are the only one who knows the secret meagor’s hidden tunnels and also people in the castle knows the rat catcher so they wouldn’t suspect them, Daemon physically cannot do it by himself cuz when they passed the king they’ll definitely recognized him.
How can they recognize him if he's wearing his Prince Daemon Up-to-No-Good Hood?
Knowledge ain't enough fam. If you can't fight you're useless
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Daemon would never risk himself anyway, more smarter to send expendable people.
@@manvirshergill1739 yeah cuz even 1% chance of losing Daemon will still devastate the Black.
It amazes me that ppl think Rhaenrya would want a fking letter of apology after her son was killed.
Lol
@@BhBc8f8 like dawg lol I would wipe my ass with that letter lol
Yeah, it irks me a bit when people say she's not on the right headspace to back up the argument that she's not "making the wisest choice". THERE'S NO WISE CHOICE HERE THEY JUST KILLED HER CHILD OF COURSE SHE WANTS REVENGE
@@marleymarsssand then I’d send it back to King’s Landing with dragon sh*t on it.
@@struggleskywalker1025 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Daemon’s plan didn’t fuck up at all. Rewatch the scene when they asked “what if we can’t find him?” (Which is a good question) and Daemon gave a sly smirk. This is the next best thing.
The Denzel Washington meme said it best “I’m leaving here with something”
Daemon from around the way! He’s leaving with something!!😂
yeah, i cant believe how many reactors thought blood and cheese messed up the orders??
I was surprised they didn't include it in their TH-cam reaction.
That’s not true, they changed it lol it’s confirmed by Ryan Condal and the cast it was a mistake. Daemon asked for Aemond only.
@@aquele4virou3 No, they asked what would they do and Daemon smiled, that was literally the plan. Re-watch the episode.
"Daemon should've done it himself" you don't think everyone in that castle would recognize him? He clearly WANTED to kill Aemond himself but knows he can't get close enough to do it
Literally. Like hey guys uncle Daemon is coming to visit. Make sure to let him in the castle and especially let him visit his nephews.
A lot of the designs on the intro were the drawings on Helaena's wall. It's almost as if she's the one weaving out the events through history because she's always embroidering something.
Good point! I want to watch the opening again to see if there are any clues... 😊
Dragons of flesh weaving dragons of thread
pretty sure she is a Dreamer, but everyone brushes her off as a lil weird.
Daemon's purpose was not to make a strategic move, a well thought action, he's the ROGUE prince, he wanted revenge and revenge was served.
If Blood and Cheese would have in fact found Aemond, the chances of they killing him were too small, so neutralizing him and Vhagar is wishful thinking.
He wants more that revenge. Daemon wants WAR, unlike Rheanyra, who only wanted Aemond's head.
Yup. He wanted them to become paranoid with assasination attempts.
The fact that they did end up killing the son is just a nice bonus.
@@mimig3904Daemon wanted war since he learned that Viserys died, Lucerys being killed just make his resolve stronger.
@@mimig3904I don’t think Daemon wants war. If he did he wouldn’t be so insistent about finishing the war. I think what he wants is every Hightower dead, and he can only accomplish that through war.
It was a strategic move too. By mentally ruining Helaena they make it so she cant ride her dragon into battle. Her dragon is Dreamfyre, one of the strongest dragons alive. Which now wont be joining the fight.
I could not hold it back when Jace's voice quivered when speaking to Rhaenyra
Yeah that scene broke me as well. Great acting from him.
i could Luke died for something he earned
and he was a bastard
@@rj119x PFTT please now, cmon. Wounding Aemond and being a bastard (one seen as legitmate, mind you) doesn't mean he should DIE. Get it together.
I think the rat catcher knowing that she was telling the truth was, in a REALLY fucked up way, is one of the only times that someone has really taken the effort to emotionally connect to Helaena rather than it being a reflection of the rat catcher's intelligence.
This
He probably experienced losing a son
is this fandom really out to humanize fucking Blood and Cheese now?
he called her bluff. she was going for the reverse psychology but it backfired. almost worked on the big guy you could tell
@@ideozublake8036 Damn that was smart
You forgot that Daemon choose cheese because he knows the passways and could enter without being noticed. Daemon couldnt do the same
I’m afraid. Not the dragons. The rats.
She turns towards the cribs too.
@@sriver004 oh shtttt. good catch
Yeah I caught that too. She's been like foretelling future for the past season and everyone thinks it's just her mental illness.
I had such a moment when she came in and saw the rat traps I think I went "oooooh" like a moron
And the space lesbian witches
they said like 10 times that this guy is rat catcher and yall still didn't know LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
Damn u must have strong memory, this was my first time noticing that dude this episode 😅
@@alwandemthethwa7594 He was seen throughout the episode, though. I noticed that they focused on him when he walked by Alicent by the stairs and when Aegon and Otto were talking with the smallfolk in the throne room. The giant doors were open, and you could see the rat catcher walking with his dog as if they were placing a big red arrow on top of him, and of course, Helaena talking about rats.
@TheWanderingTigress look I get that he was everywhere and all, but I also only noticed him when the normies did aswell when I was watching on my own 😅
right?! i feel like all the normies are just just two brain cells when trying to figure stuff out. i caught what helaena said and notice the foreshadowing first watch. 😂
Syrax also feels a great loss for Arrax, Lucerys' dragon was hatched from her egg. Two mothers mourn their own children.
The scene when little Joffrey throws the horse into the fire that previously belonged to Luce and he was playing with at Laena's funeral is also painful.
The ending is a rare case of the show TONING DOWN something from the book. For context, this is what happened in the book: Blood and Cheese found Helaena as they did in the show, however she and Aegon had two sons, not a son and a daughter, so they made her choose which son they'd kill and which one they'd spare. She fought back, begged them to kill her instead, and eventually, they forced her to choose. Then, after she chose, they killed the OTHER son instead, and said the one she chose would grow up knowing his mother chose him to be killed.
Aegon and Helaena actually had 3 children in the book. The twins Jaehaerys and Jaehaera plus a younger son, Maelor.
Yep, very disappointed in this first episode, this change was unnecessary just like the "beast beneath the boards" of last season. I fear this show may be headed towards another game of thrones season 8 situation if they keep changing shit like that
Sir Criston left his post to do his nightly duty
As per usual
Btw it’s not the sept of Baelor. Baelor (basicly Targaryen Jesus) wasn’t even born by now
Baelor's dad is currently a baby
Maegor’s holdfast. Edit: that’s where the blood and cheese incident happens. The Sept is just the Sept, not sure it has a name at this time
Baelor the based
@@LaCheeserie No. The Blood and Cheese thing happens in the Hand's Tower, in Alicents quarters. The show has changed it and in doing so made the entire scene dumber.
@@LaCheeserie It’s the Great Sept
The sept of Baelor doesn't exist yet.
It's called the Grand Sept now. I wonder what happened to it?
Kingslanding had 3 Septs this is the second
They call themselves true GOT/HOTD fans yet they all think this is the sept Cersei Blew. It looks nothing like the one in GOT.
@@TyreeEverding Probably gets destroyed along with the Dragonpit.
@707Chiva yeah they are as casual as most watchers, so sum details are lost on them, I myself watch shows with deep focus, so I just assumed since these are like pretty much ancestors to Denearys, that I should scrap alot of what I know from the time of Robert's reign as king
Did everyone notice that Alicent and Cole were having sex in Rheanyra OLD ROOM!!!
Next level petty
They disgust me so bad
They’re obsessed, like you know when two people hate you and they become friends 😂 these two are like this and it’s creepy tbh
@@igoonx15 just bad writting...GOT season 7 level..the showrunners want a telenovela
so you are saying they went into rheanyras old room just to have sex? How did Healena know thas where to find her mother? Just be saying shit
I dont think Daemon sees it as a dumb plan. Blood and Cheese did EXACTLY what they were paid to do. They also dont have any personal gain from killing anybody else. So it makes no sense they would try to kill Helaena and Jaehaera as well. They got paid to kill a son, they did.
In the sense that they lost the element of surprise for a non military target then yes it was dumb.
Daemon doesn't give a shit who died bruh 😂
@@BhBc8f8 There was no military strategy behind Rhaenyra wanting Aemond dead. Its purely revenge. She wasnt looking for a military advantage. So no it was not dumb.
@@haridaspalleeri6765 She wanted Aemond, they didn't kill Aemond and lost their greatest chance to. what on earth are you on about?
Unless I'm misremembering, the big one seemed to hate the Hightowers and said "Fuck the Hightowers" so wouldn't he have personal gain (also increased personal risk) by killing as much of their family as he can?
What threw me off a little in that last scene was Alicent and Criston banging with their door unlocked. Like that's just crazy and so supremely careless. Is their affair such an open secret at this point that they don't care who sees them?
Why would a royal lock a door? Anybody coming in the queens chamber without being summoned better have a damned good reason for doing so.
Plus, if the wrong person sees you, it's nothing a summary execution can't fix!
@@tonyj9743 valid for normal circumstances but I got the feeling they probably wanted to keep their affair a secret since she's newly widowed and he has an oath so that seemed like a pretty big oversight.
Also Ser Pole as I will call him
Now told the guards to go so he could bang Alicent. Hence blood and cheese made it in a little more easier
I think Allicent is enjoying having a little bit of control over a man since the rest of them just brush off everything she says at the council.
@@EchanteDante I'm also oddly happy for her that she's finally having sex that she wants and likes. No offense to Viserys, RIP, but she didn't seem like she was having much coital fun in their relationship.
The reason Aegon doesn't know what to do is cause he was never invited to sit in on stuff. So he's just winging it and they are all acting like he should know what's going on.
You’re right, he was too busy raping young girls
Y’all need to pay attention more LOL. Cheese literally asked “what if we can’t find him” and then Daemon does his evil grin….what do you think he told them to do if they can’t find Aemond…A son for a son.
The problem is the show runner admitted that killing Jahaerys was a mistake. Destroyed the ambiguity.
@@ryankwon8785
Is the show runner incapable of reading the book?
@@ironfreddy3192 The showrunner is doing well but I disliked how most of the violent conflicts are becoming accidents.
I would like to thank all of the commenters who cleared up my suspicion.
When I watched this alone, I was confused because Deamon gave a clear description: "Silver hair, ONE EYE"... htf do you confuse that with a CHILD WITH 2 EYES?! Then I remembered, "What if we dont find him?" and I got curious about if this was the backup plan.
So, a big THANK YOU to all of you capeless heroes 🥰
I totally get the confusion though!
Congrats Marketa and Chris on the baby! The Winterfell theme literally almost made me cry, it's been a while since I heard it. Those last ten minutes were so intense.
🎉 Congratulations on the Baby!! 🐣❤️🥰🎊💐🥳
Ew, mudshark
Thank you so much! ❤
Also to the guy who said mudshark - fuck you why are you even here lol literally go back to your cave bud
The sounds in *that* scene were genuinely horrific. I've never heard what something like that would sound, but I feel like the sound designers made it so that I feel like I did.
I think the sound designers literally cut off a pigs head or something of the sort.
When I was a teenager I was dumb enough to watch a video from n*zies who caught migrants in Russia. Well... In this video the sound of the head being ctoff was very similar to what I heard in this episode... It was so fucked up to refresh this memory
I was expecting a quick Ned death, not that cutting noise.
Chills.
Haven’t watched the episode proper, but the sounds of it in this reaction were very tame compared to an execution video I’ve ever seen. Only knife on bone sounds, no gurgling as the kid chokes on his blood, no sound of blood hitting the ground
@@Halomaniac50u are sick in your head
That was Young Joff that Jace was holding. Aegon the Younger and Viserys II would have white hair.
There were two Kingsgaurd in the throne room and one in Alicent's room. It can be assumed that there's still a Kingsgaurd up on the outer wall looking for dragons. That's all 4 since Rhaenyra has the other 3 Kingsgaurd.
Aegon was never trained to be King, HE WAS NOT the HEIR
I'd make the argument that NEITHER claimant was actually trained for rule.
@@whyte4315trained is a big word, but Rhaenyra was pretty much present in councils during all his childhood as a cupbearer and as active participant while married to Laenor.
@@whyte4315 Rhaenyra was, she studied, she was cup bearer to her father, so she would watch the council at work, she was part of the council, once named the heir, and she was shown to be able to strike deals to solve problems the greens didn’t care for.
@@aileenpi73she also had flaws like Aegon does.
She didnt take her duties seriously enough to court Allies to her side and just assumed her Relatives in the Baratheons would support her while offering nothing.
She was rather flippant and discouterous to her Suiters and made powerful enemies in the Lannister's because she thought her dad was just pawning her off when he was trying to marry her to a suiter Equal to her status as the Queen of the Realm.
She doesnt take into account the feelings of the smallfolk even when Daemon is telling her its important to keep her ear to the ground and listen to what her subjects believe if she wants to rule.
And she has a habit of wanting her Cake and eating it too when it comes to marriage and her seeking pleasure.
Aegon at least has shown he isnt another Joffery/Ramsay who sees the smallfolk as his playthings and knows he needs to meet their needs when he can as their King.
He cared about his son and wanted to show him how to rule,which is something Viserys never did for him.
Aegon is stepping to the occasion thrust upon him by his Mother and now shes upset.
@@whyte4315 Rhaenyra was trained but I don't think she has the temperament to be a good ruler either. This episode was actually a good showcase of that. You can say Daemon is being unsympathetic but he's spitting facts when he talks to Rhaenys about how Rhaenyra's absence is affecting their war effort.
At least for the Greens even though Aegon is hard to deal with in the war room, at least they can proceed with their alliances and strategies rather than just sitting around waiting like the Blacks are doing.
"Helaena is the only Green I root for"
oh no
Unfortunately they don’t know they’re up for a lifetime of L’s now 😅
How about you delete your comment to not spoil anything? Not everyone here read the book
@@manul7024You do realize that the comment is vague af right? It can mean Haelena will die, or maybe she’ll go down the path of darkness and become evil, or maybe she’ll suffer the most out of all the greens. Tons of possibilities.
They haven't meet Daeron the Daring yet.
@@manul7024 I was referring to what happens to her literally at the end of this episode.
imagine calling dumb people who did what the was hired to 😂😂
chesee asked deamon what if we cant find Aemond then it cuts away then later blood sad he sad "son for a son" so it was very clear to me that after they cut away deamon sad son for a son
Chris trying to rationalize that it was a stupid plan is hilarious….it had nothing to do with taking out a military threat. The goal was revenge…period
Just because Daemon accomplished his goal doesn’t mean it wasn’t a stupid plan
Of course it’s revenge and if it was successful it would also have been a great result in the war to come
@@johnjoseph6874well at least in the show the original plan is to kill aemond. The book straight up shows B&C had a well thought out plan to kill Jaehaerys specifically.
@@johnjoseph6874 A stupid plan that succeed.
In the sense that they lost the element of surprise for a non military target then yes it was a stupid plan
Every reactor seems to have missed that Daemon instructed them to go for a son if they couldn't find Aemond.
Because he didn’t. At least, not on screen. It’s very left up to to the air, what he actually told them to do if they couldn’t find Aemond.
@@vitaaerisman smashed his wife's head in with a rock. Daemon is a straight up villain, up until Aemond killed Luke, Daemon was the one who did the most evil shit in the show, he absolutely would order that shit
@@vitaaeris "A son for a son, he said" says Blood. So then isn't that a sign of what Daemons response was since that isn't said in the scene with Daemon we see.
@@vitaaeris theyre at war with Aegon, not Alicent. What the hell do you think son for a son means?
@@Callmidumpno, the dog told them to do it
The plan worked pretty well if you ask me. Low risk, high reward for Daemon
My personal theory is that Daemon was ok with the plan failing. He wants war. Even if the Greens catch the assassins, all B&C have to do is say "Daemon told us he wanted a son for a son" and they'll be motivated to war. If they succeed, great. If not, acceptable.
@@Adamantium93 The plan didn't even fail. Sure Daemon would have preferred Aemond but the fact that Cheese asked what to do if they couldn't find Aemond and the implied response was "a son for a son" shows that Daemon wanted to inflict pain to accelerate the war.
@@unc54 I didn't say it did. I just think Daemon's ok with any outcome because they all get him something he wants.
This def more ipsychologically damaging to the greens, making them more susceptible to rash decisions.
@@Adamantium93technically by all accounts daemon just saved his sons life for blood and cheese killing jaehareys as cruel as it was he secured his family’s future along with jace. Daemon took out all the male heirs on aegons side and since he was so badly crippled he couldn’t have anymore nor could he put one of his bastards on the throne either or his daughter. It was all around a win win for daemon no matter how it looked like.
Alicnt and Crispin be gettin' it on during the infamous Blood and Cheese. Typical day in Westeros.
The most insane 10 minutes of halainas life .
The best way to remember the difference between the twins Eryk and Aryk is Aryk stays loyal to Aegon
King Aegon or prince Aegon?
@@tonyj9743 King Aegon.
@@datguy3581they’re both King Aegon 🤷🏻
Arryk is for Alicent and Erryk for Escape
@@TheFiddler69not really, Aegon III is a prince
the opening credits is actually a time line, all the way from the doom to aegons conquest and so on until we get to rhaenyra and aegon
Daemon wants blood. A son for a son. He wants to hurt them so he was smart
They asked Daemon, "and what if we could not find Prince Aemond?"
That's the answer to that question.
Not Chris saying "they could have killed the king" you mean the king who was surrounded by dudes sitting on the throne itself surrounded by blades? lmao
Also, there was a Kingsguard present too, along with some other guards.
Sometimes the Normies live up to their name. 😂
What do you mean sometimes😂. I think you mean all the time.
Alicent wasn't defending Aemond in that scene with Otto. She was doing the opposite.
Luc took Aemond's eye but "no matter how vicious" it was he didn't deserve to get killed the way he did. She's been furious with Aemond ever since and I wish we had the scene of her and Otto roasting Aemond after he confessed.
She doesn't know it wasn't intentional and obviously Aemond would never tell a soul what really happened. Sad
Yeah that was a regret with the episode. "You only lost one eye, how could you be so blind" is such a bar from Otto. I hope they find a way to use it in the season.
In the book "Game of Thrones," chapter 2 (Catelyn), it says Ice was spell-forged in Valyria four hundred years before the events the book took place.
Emma D'Arcy: *puts on a clinic in acting and only speaks four words
Y'all: "I miss Milly Alcock."
🤣
I saw the hand to the tummy and immediately knew! Congratulations guys!
You can never change the theme song. It’s the best theme song in TV history.
22:30 Actually the Sept of Baelor hasn't been built yet 🤓
Baelor was not even born
Almost every reactor has failed at reacting or watching this episode lmao yall clearly didn’t see daemons face when they ask him “what if we can’t find Aegon” he simply looks up and them and smirks. He didn’t give a fuck who it was. All that mattered was a son died. And a son did die 😂
In the book I thought they make Helena pick her favorite child to live and they end up killing that one? So the child who lived would know the mother gave him up for the rest of his life.
Yup they changed it for the episode
“You hear that little boy. You’re mama wants you dead”
I never understood that. Maelor is 3 in the book, he ain't gonna remember shit. Not to mention he dies shortly thereafter
They literally demand that she decide what child died. Helaena does offer herself in place of her sons, but they refuse it. "A wife isn't a son," Cheese said. They even claim that if she doesn't decide, Blood would do disgusting things to her daughter. Heleana eventually decided to let her younger son die (since he was only 2) but instead they beheaded Jahaerys
Considering who it was written by, it could've just been blown out propaganda against the blacks, probably to aid sympathy and just to the winners of this war.
why would Daemon go inside the castle all alone?? he would literally get recognized immediately
Some comment said that Cole was supposed to be guarding Helena’s door cause she’s the new queen. But I’m not sure since he was sworn to Alicent specifically
Can someone confirm that from the books?
@@franzk798 Considering they completely butchered that scene from the books. No. Alicent was supposed to be in the room gagged while they killed the boy.
He's the king's guard, he's sworn to protect the royal family, so yes, by priority he should be at the King's/Queen's room on guard duty
@franzk798 It's not true. In the books they snuck and killed Helaena's guards.
He was sworn to Alicent(prior to his promotion), but the Lord Commander usually protects the King.
17:20 I like how Otto's like "nevermind he understood on his own"
I got the feeling that was Otto giving up on trying to change his mind.
i felt that Otto could tell Aegon wasnt going to budge on that request..it was the way the actor emphasized the word "smallfOLK" clicking his tongue and staring directly at otto afterwards..it was subtle but standoffish. Aegon said "alright your not convincing me otherwise im doing this grandpa" kind of vibe. Aegon is actually alot like both of his parents hes not a total asshole or pushover wich is refreshing becuase it always feels like we get the extreme with most kings in westeros.
More like "let's not bother trying to put some sense in a kid who already made up his mind".
I'm with aegon on that one, the weaponsmith is the one think you can get for cheap in a war
@@ellamartell728arent they also paying the exact same as they would anyway, just paying earlier?
Fun fact- the sept Alicent prays in can't be the sept of Baelor because Baelor the Blessed hasn't been born yet.
Ngl I shed a tear when we saw Winterfell, oh how we've missed you Eddard Stark.
I thought I was just being weird, but then I saw this comment a couple of times, and now I feel normal again. Lol. 🐺 🌫🏰 _The North Remembers!_ 🥺😢
Suraj being excited about the implication of white walkers as if season 8 never happened.
Just when I thought burning an absolutely innocent child was the worst....
I’m so happy they used several location from wales in this season, such a beautiful country
The Books are so different, There were 3 children presend and she choose the younger son Maegor and Cheese said to Maegor "You hear that, little boy? Your momma wants you dead." Then Cheese signals Blood to kill Prince Jaehaerys instead who was the eldest and she screamed and blood and cheese left with Jaehaerys Head.
I feel bad for Helaena but I'm definitely still Team Black.
Why
still excusing atrocious acts and war crimes and still picking sides lol
i wouldn't blame you the writers ruined the overall theme of the story
@@olegshtolc7245 they started this fight, and while I feel bad for any toddler dying, especially in that way, I was more attached to Luke even in his limited screen time, he seemed like a nice boy. So in general I wasn't really swayed much to convert all the way to Team Green.
@@kamabakogonpachiro4842 dude calm down we're just talking about a fictional show and the shit fictional characters do. It's not that deep.
I'm team Stark lol. They are Team Black.
Daemon didn't fuck up, something slightly more emphasized in the book is the Aegon Vs Rhaenyra fight, Jaehaerys in the book and in the show was intended, Rhaenyra wanted Aemond, but if you think about it, The Queen's son was killed (luke) so now the King's son must die as well. It's the truest and most equal form of A Son for a Son. Gotta give GRRM a round of applause for that one.
Congrats Rana on your wedding, may it be filled with peace, happiness, reciprocity and love 🎉
Congrats Marketa and Chris on your pregnancy, may it be a happy, healthy and loved child ❤
"Maybe if daemon had the balls he would of done it himself" lol.
The intro shows the history of the Targaryens from Valeria until now.
Ohhhhh
This was a great plan what are yall talking about?? Literally a son for a son AND it was the heir to the throne. It was an accidental big time chess move
Except for the part about losing the element of surprise for a non military target
They can make more heirs?? Killing the boy did nothing
It wasn't accidental. That was Plan B. Rewatch the scene with Daemon and then pay attention to the dialogue right before they commit the act and it's very easy to piece together what they should do if they didn't find Aemond.
They took out the heir to the throne. Huge move
@@SamMak123 He wasn't a threat and they can still make more.
You guys are my company as long as I remember watching Game of Thrones since season 5. Great to be back to Westeros. Greetings from Greece!
I am in awe of the scene when Jace returns from the North. He's trying so hard to do his duty with a straight face but the news that his one of his brothers is dead is eating at him hard. And Rhaenyra (as a mother) goes to comfort him and share in his sorrow. For that moment there, they forgot about the crown and politics and just thought about the family they lost.
“Have you taught this boy nothing?” No, they haven’t. He grew up with the notion he wouldn’t be king. His father didn’t give a damn about him or his other children. Why would he have been raised to know anything about being king when he was treated like crap by both of his parents? Expecting too much out of someone who became king from one day to the next is crazy.
Has anyone noticed that the version of the House Stark theme in the establishing shot of Winterfell is called 'Goodbye Brother,' and the raven seen during this moment is carrying the message of Lucerys' death? This is literally the moment when Jacaerys has to say goodbye to his brother.
I think I posted this before for you Suraj. The scorpions are a desert animal named by desert people. The Dornish. It was used to kill meraxes and raenys. The sister and dragon of aegon the conqueror. It’s been around forever. You really trust the lord of truth qyburn and the most honourable queen Cersei to tell the truth?
Daemon told them to kill the son of Aegon if they couldnt find Aemond. It was also not just a dumb revenge plan, but a tactical move. Helaena rides Dreamfyre, one of the strongest dragons alive. By mentally scarring her this bad, they take out a very powerfull dragonrider while also getting a son for a son.
Did you catch our DARK SISTER giveaway rules!? Was Blood and Cheese more brutal in the books? Did your daughter kick my dog?
No adaptation is meant to be a carbon copy of the source material.
Congratulations to Rana!! Best wishes to the happy couple! Definitely good reason to not be on the couch for this season opener 😂
They totally butured blood and cheese. It was supposed to brutal and absolute horror
Yes it was more brutal
@@AK-pw3oq I dunno, I read what others said was supposed to actually happen, but if you took a step back and really thought about it, for non book readers, seeing a mother having to choose which of her children is to be murdered, then seeing the kid's look of surprise before hearing all those horrible sounds of a child being beheaded is probably brutal enough. You're really only missing some verbal stuff when it comes down to it.
Aegon II losing his heir is the only reason he left Rhaenyra's heir alive so Daemon was right. Nothing makes you more illegitimate than the absence of heirs
Aegon 2 legt aegon 3 alive as a hostage not to keep him as a heir he planned on remarrying and having a new heir .
But now because of Jaehaerys's death Rhaenrya's claim will be weaker because the common folk/lords will assume that Rhaenyra had a child killed and would not want to be ruled by someone like that, they'll prefer Aegon II after his "loving" council session. Stupid Daemon eh. 🤣
I’m glad Navi and Suraj needed jokes about the sept in GoT and that history lesson instead of being in the scene
“They’ll swear fealty but are they gonna get pulled in?” Understatement of the century lmao Cregane is about to handle business broooooo
yeah but unfortunately was too late tho🤐
Daemon is the curse of this whole series.
Syrax was grieving too 😢
Blood and Cheese aren't the smartest, but when Cheese asks what if they can't find Aemond, Damon gives him a sinister look, and its implied he responded with "A Son for a Son"
The intro is showing the history of Valyria.
No ones seems to catch that. To be fair I don't think its as clear as it needs to be.
@@jonathanradut2595 Of course it is. It's not just the Valyria though, but the whole Targaryen dynasty up until this point of the story. It just happens that it was made for book readers to get it.
@@jonathanradut2595It's clear enough for people who know the history, but it's understandable that casual viewers don't understand it
Criston: dem clams be glizzy
🤣🤣🤣
Don't forget Aegon was a rapist in Season 1 btw. Remember that maid was crying her eyes out. 😐
Dyanna* Exactly King Rapey
Christ. You people are unserious. Of course he’s still a rapist but he’s a father. How are y’all gonna have no empathy for him?
ok and? he’s more than just a rapist or an alcoholic. just as much as daemon is more than a wife killer. y’all trying to be all morally correct with hotd wouldn’t stan 99% of the characters in got.
God i wonder if The Boys' reactions have comments like this about Homelander like yeah we know, moving on
Dont forget daemon is a baby killer wife killer women beater😊
The plan daemon said “get aemond or any other son” we didn’t get to hear the second part but I guess you guys want everything handed out to you
They weren't being dumb, Daemon wanted a son for a son, when they asked what if they cant find Aemond, the show cuts away and implies that for a reason. In the book Daemon does not care about the son, he just wants a son, and prefers the heir to the throne which is the kid Jaehaerys. Also yes, this was a strategic victory because now Aegon's heir is dead which means Aemond is the heir, which puts Aegon's life potentially in danger from internal factional infighting and assasination. You're also missing that both factions have pacifist and pro-war blocks (Aemond and Cole on team green, and Daemon on team black). Having a son killed on each side is in the interest of the pro war block of both factions. Daemon regrets nothing from this night.
Daeron the daring waiting for the goat's appearance
One the GOAts in GOT universe
Alicent riding Crispins hightower..... justice and decency being prevailed XD
I like how Chris is the only one who smiled (wryly) when the dog was kicked.
damn I havent watched you guys for a while...so when did Suraj turn into Jason Mantzoukas? 😅
12:21 Alicent: Where is duty?? Where is sacrifice??
Crispy: Its trampled between your pretty legs😂😂
*after the act
Alicent: Exhausting, wasnt it??
Crispy: yep, Hiding beneath the cloak of your own righteous gown😂😂
In the books they know haelena schedule of bringing kids to alicent , they kill alicents handmaid , gagg Alicent , choose haelena ro chose which son to kill, she choose younger son but blood kills the elder anyway.
It’s just dumb & lazy to leave out the “choice” between Maelor and Jaehaerys. And Alicent’s bonds.
"'You hear that, little boy?' Cheese whispered to Maelor. 'Your mother wants you dead.' Then he gave Blood a grin, and the hulking swordsman slew Prince Jaehaerys, striking off the boy's head with a single blow".
I'd rather hear the muffled sounds of a dying toddler
They really messed this up bad. And in the first episode? Oof.
Technically…unreliable narrator. This is history told not present moments like GOT.
Well they could've played the scene out exactly the same way, but omitted the beheading.
When u guys asked “where are the guards?” Sir criston should’ve been guarding that door, but he was busy having smexy time. Keep that in mind lol
The plans not dumb.They wanted a son for a son.They got one
Marketa is my favorite for GOT related videos. I can't wait to see her reaction to the end ;( Those who know what I'm talking about know.
Marketa "just in two different places" lmfao! 26:15
Funny how humans love dogs instead of human childrens 😅
Well it's kinda hard to feel sympathy for any if the greens.
This happened according to the book! The book's actually a lot more brutal, they actually intended to kill the kid and not Aemond, and Halaena was begging to kill her instead but they killed her son anyway
Navi looks very summerly with that dress. And her black hair and golden crown looks great. :)
Times have sure changed. I'm old enough to remember when there were almost 20 reactors watching GoTs. Now we're down to four. Well...four and ¼!