One point in Dylan's video is that they found canting the hoods inwards like that to be slower, since it kicks your elbows out. All this stuff looks good but really needs to be tested to see how much faster it is. I do think the bladder/fairing would help Dylan though...
@@Ben_Eaglethe joke is that the original spirit of gravel is do whatever you want to do but then people decided the “spirit of gravel” is telling other people how they should ride bikes. You didn’t get the joke but that’s ok.
Berd spokes weigh 2.5 grams per spoke. Sapim CX Ray spokes weigh 4.25 grams per spoke. Difference is 1.75 grams per spoke - or total weight savings of 42 grams on a 24 spoke wheel. My guess is that the increased aerodynamic drag of Berd spokes negates any weight savings, with the sole advantage being increased compliance if that is even noticeable with Lauf fork and 2.2 tire.
Agreed, most cyclists believe that wheel weight is ~5x worse than other weight and that they will accelerate appreciably faster or whatever with lighter wheels though. If you actually do the math its more like wheel weight is 1.2x worse than other weight, and only when accelerating hard. 42grams of spokes wouldn't even save you 1 watt in a 1,500 watt sprint, and you will lose more than that to aero drag.
@@JackMott I don't think this make much sense giving the fact everybody has a huge ass numberplate at the front destroying the aerodynamic advantage of every areospoke.
Talking for hours about 2 Watt aero gains before putting a 30 watt race number in front of all of those marginal improvements... but he's in the lead group atm, so he's doing many things extremely well!
Go Chase! Fellow MNer here. I think Dylan is trimming the side knobs off his Conti's, you might try that too! Thanks for the fun content Ben and best of luck Chase!
Any mechanical engineer will tell you that a spring without damping makes a terrible suspension. Gravelers think Lauf leaf springs are the coolest, but It is just wasting energy wobbling up and down, or making the vibrations worse at certain frequencies. I am willing to wager that Rudy fork or Specialized suspension head tube will crush this Lauf fork in a test.
@@well5423 do you think its wasting more energy wobbling up and down than a rigid fork is bouncing up and down? the lauf is far lighter than the forks you think would win in "a test" and zero maintenance for life, which are not trivial considerations
@@well5423 What effect do the suspension stems have? AFAIK, they're not damped. Also, what does that say about bigger tyres? I know Peak Torque has been banging on about this with his Roubaix "builds"
@@richardhaselwood9478 Vecnum's freeQENCE stem is the designed by real engineers, and it has damping. That's the only one I would consider running if need arises. eeSilk and RedShift are wobble amplifiers.
Not insignificant aero loss with the Berd spokes. With the 30mm travel on the Lauf fork, and all the other aero stuff, that seems to be an odd choice. Sapim CX Rays or Pillar Wing 20 would be ~2g heavier per spoke, with better aero profile. Spokes matter!
If the two bladders are not connected, how does he get the water from the frame bag to the handlebar bladder? Seems like it would take a lot of time if he had to transfer it somehow?
I don't know why more hydration isn't into the frame area. The physics of it being on the back isn't good. Easy switching/refill would be the only issue.
I’m not convinced the rear disk is doing what he thinks it’s doing because his legs and torso definitely upset the air. Also, his front “aero” bladder is stuck in the middle of a bunch of other things upsetting airflow. He’s missing an opportunity to make his stomach and chest aerodynamically smoother by carrying water there. He should have enclosed the main triangle fully, and continued out past the rear stays.
The rider will always be the most important. In 1964 peter post did paris roubaix averaging 45.2 km/hr Mvdp did it last year at 47.8 Both had a strong tailwind The reason why the material is subjected, is because no one will race a 60ties bike now, and no one could race a recent bike in the sixties. So overall that is not what makes the difference, and why its called marginal gains.
You don't really have enough data to conclude anything, maybe those aero gains took him from a 147th place to 47th. If just having an aero bike secured you a top 10, what's the point of having a race.
Fantastic. You guys have so much airborne, just start flying over the course and make wheels turn 90 degrees into helicopter props. I am sure you have already patented that concept. All jokes aside good ideas and anything helps. Enjoy the ride, that what this is all about. Thanks.
Why wouldnt you just run an actual disc wheel? If its muddy, a proper disc would be the cleanest setup with no way to build mud in the wheel. The new zipp is almost the same width as the Emporia rim.
I hope it does not rain! What the hell is that for a dropbar size?? 33cm? How can he breath? 😂 But i looks after xs or s frame! The gravel cyclist are innovative like the triathlets! Good luck for all unbound cyclist! ✌
how on earth can 33cm bars NOT be twitchyAF on jank. sure, the aero gains are there.... but control with bars that narrow is garbage, even if you are "used" to it. That bike is well thought out, but no way I'll ever be convinced bars that narrow are gonna be helpful when it gets rowdy.
First of all, what’s “Franken” about it? My plane Jane Warbird doesn’t look the same as my mtb, nor does it look the same as bikes from the early 1900s. Bikes change. I think this looks fine, and makes a lot of sense. I run a top tube and frame bike on my Warbird all the time, just for convenience. Why not have the storage capacity, and then use it to make the bike faster as well? Cars have gotten more cupholders and cubbies over the years, just for practicality, why not bikes?
This dude also won the DAM and has done really well in the Arrowhead...with a little mishap. Also rode non-stop the wrong way across Minnesota (south to north) and visited every Kwik Trip along the way. He's a good dude and is really creative.
The battle of 17th place intensifies
47th, but he beat Laurens Ten Dam and Paul Voss
@@Krfifteen He was talking about Dylan Johnson who jokes that he always finishes 17th
😂
dylan johnson has nothing on this guys bike lol
Reply from Dylan, Hold My Beer!😁
Needs to be wind tunneled before we can down grades Dylans build. Would love to see whats gonna happen with these two!
@@Mcnew77 surely they've talked and compared builds too but i would be very interested to have them critique each others setups overall
He needs to be on the Bonk Bros podcast!
One point in Dylan's video is that they found canting the hoods inwards like that to be slower, since it kicks your elbows out. All this stuff looks good but really needs to be tested to see how much faster it is.
I do think the bladder/fairing would help Dylan though...
Spirit of gravel is strong in this one!
This is the exact opposite of the spirit of gravel unfortunately
@@Ben_Eaglethe joke is that the original spirit of gravel is do whatever you want to do but then people decided the “spirit of gravel” is telling other people how they should ride bikes. You didn’t get the joke but that’s ok.
That moustache is clearly Spirit of Gravel approved :)
Dylan Johnson is now under bike
Love the creativity. Feels like every racer should use fairings as long as they're allowed.
Wonder if that extended fairing will collect mud on rear wheel
Berd spokes weigh 2.5 grams per spoke. Sapim CX Ray spokes weigh 4.25 grams per spoke. Difference is 1.75 grams per spoke - or total weight savings of 42 grams on a 24 spoke wheel. My guess is that the increased aerodynamic drag of Berd spokes negates any weight savings, with the sole advantage being increased compliance if that is even noticeable with Lauf fork and 2.2 tire.
isn't the whole vibration absorption a reason to still run them? don’t think aerospokes make a lot of difference at those offroad speeds
@@BeastyBite yes but not clear if that is a real thing. people imagine effects like that all the time. but sometimes it is real.
Agreed, most cyclists believe that wheel weight is ~5x worse than other weight and that they will accelerate appreciably faster or whatever with lighter wheels though. If you actually do the math its more like wheel weight is 1.2x worse than other weight, and only when accelerating hard. 42grams of spokes wouldn't even save you 1 watt in a 1,500 watt sprint, and you will lose more than that to aero drag.
@@JackMott I don't think this make much sense giving the fact everybody has a huge ass numberplate at the front destroying the aerodynamic advantage of every areospoke.
Rode with Chase in college, he’s a certified dawg. Go Chase!
Super cool that racers are using their intellect as well as their ability to strategize for the race
Yeah intellect…. I have a 2.0 on the rear but I might change it to a 50mm 💀
IQ/kg 😮🧠
All great aero features there, but how/where does he mount the start number? In front of the head unit, using it as a flaring for his head/upper body?
Right under the Garmin using a “So Pro” number mount
Talking for hours about 2 Watt aero gains before putting a 30 watt race number in front of all of those marginal improvements... but he's in the lead group atm, so he's doing many things extremely well!
Go Chase! Fellow MNer here. I think Dylan is trimming the side knobs off his Conti's, you might try that too! Thanks for the fun content Ben and best of luck Chase!
If Keegan and dylan had a baby
Lauf TRUE GRIT fork rules the gravel scene! Dylan proved the aerodynamics and my experience proves the comfort. I love mine!
Any mechanical engineer will tell you that a spring without damping makes a terrible suspension. Gravelers think Lauf leaf springs are the coolest, but It is just wasting energy wobbling up and down, or making the vibrations worse at certain frequencies. I am willing to wager that Rudy fork or Specialized suspension head tube will crush this Lauf fork in a test.
@@well5423 do you think its wasting more energy wobbling up and down than a rigid fork is bouncing up and down? the lauf is far lighter than the forks you think would win in "a test" and zero maintenance for life, which are not trivial considerations
@@well5423 What effect do the suspension stems have? AFAIK, they're not damped. Also, what does that say about bigger tyres? I know Peak Torque has been banging on about this with his Roubaix "builds"
@@richardhaselwood9478 Vecnum's freeQENCE stem is the designed by real engineers, and it has damping. That's the only one I would consider running if need arises. eeSilk and RedShift are wobble amplifiers.
Would like to see how the number plate gets mounted!
straight on the front like everyone has too and defeating a lot of the aero. lol
Long interview with Chase on the Zen and the Art of Endurance podcast! All about his history and gear selection.
Those Walmart beach cruisers are also wild from the Rodeo Labs guys.
Heck yeah! I filmed a piece with them… or so I thought… but my camera was not actually recording. Legends, those boys.
Love the 'stache Chase! Good luck!
Not insignificant aero loss with the Berd spokes. With the 30mm travel on the Lauf fork, and all the other aero stuff, that seems to be an odd choice. Sapim CX Rays or Pillar Wing 20 would be ~2g heavier per spoke, with better aero profile. Spokes matter!
I hope Chase pulls a more aero' helmet out for raceday.
Neat to see our creation make some waves.
Thanks for the info Ben 😉👍🏼 cheers from Spain! 💪🏽
Awesome bike Chase! Good luck out there!!
Number plate? Thought they said it can only be on the front facing forward. Doesn't look feasible with that setup.
My thought exactly
@@pierrex3226came here to say the same thing. I’m sure he can mount the number out front, but the aero benefits are gone.
The rules are for the rest of us, doesn’t apply to the top racers
Sounds like he is going to use a So Pro mount under the Garmin which can be flipped horizontal as needed
The number plate is the same for all. So this should be ahead of everyone else in this race.
this is awesome, hope he goes well
😅😅😅😅😅 Great informative video! 👍 The end of the video cracked me up laughing... that brrr brrr brrr ... keep up the good work! 😊😎👍
That rear 2.0 is the cheaper version that is reeeally slow. IRC the fast protection version doesn’t come in 2.0
I love it. And I love the riders that innovate and push the limits. Who cares if it is not practicel in all parts of the route….
Dissing the GCN thumbnails, love it!
Ah, the spirit of gravel in full effect.
This bike just looks sick.
I love it!! Hope he does well!
Acres of advertising space on the bladder holder.
If the two bladders are not connected, how does he get the water from the frame bag to the handlebar bladder? Seems like it would take a lot of time if he had to transfer it somehow?
I don't know why more hydration isn't into the frame area. The physics of it being on the back isn't good.
Easy switching/refill would be the only issue.
I can’t believe all pros don’t run Berd spokes. They are so light amd soooo smooth.
spirit of gravel is alive with this kook!
Probably having spokes is also a good thing in a gravel Race ...
Pretty clever Rim
Not shure about his tire clearance at the back with that prolonged white fairing. Gonna catch some mud I’m afraid…😅
exactly what i was thinking, this wont survive the peanut butter mud but kudos for creativity
Awesome bike! 😎💯💥
This was really interesting! Where is the number plate going to go? 🤷♀️
WWBHDD?
Nice concept
Goes all in on aero and then uses the most unaero spokes possible........ Ok. But the chapeaux to the rest of the build.
is he running a 29x2.0 puregrip conti race king in the back ? blachchillie is always 2.2 if i am correct ?
I think this might be the best application of these carbon-flex forks.
Easily the craziest setup I've seen! Unless someone can top this?
Hey Ben, bring Chase back for a recon on this rig.👍🏻
Can you feel any difference with the disc wheel cutting thru the wind or no?
Air brake I mean number plate will work well with the tri bladders?
Burnout was sick
Awesome chase
I wonder which handlebar he is running. Any guesses?
Lamba Tuning in 33cm width buddy
That is pretty damn cool
Dylan Johnson whomstve? WindTunnel whomstve? Come on dylan TEST THIS ONE OUT
I’m not convinced the rear disk is doing what he thinks it’s doing because his legs and torso definitely upset the air.
Also, his front “aero” bladder is stuck in the middle of a bunch of other things upsetting airflow.
He’s missing an opportunity to make his stomach and chest aerodynamically smoother by carrying water there.
He should have enclosed the main triangle fully, and continued out past the rear stays.
I’ve always thought gravel bikes are a joke anyway but that silliness as took it to another level
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Go go! Sota power!
F the spirit of gravel, innovation and competition is why we made it to the moon!
1:35 2.0" is 50mm, no?
I didn't hear the handlebar brand, anybody?
4:43 oh bro went IN in this is like 25 cm/10 inches wide handlebars
Minnesota Tech. HED from St Paul.
Where is the aero helmet.
When making a video about a bike, it probably makes sense to point the camera on the bike.
The rider will always be the most important.
In 1964 peter post did paris roubaix averaging 45.2 km/hr
Mvdp did it last year at 47.8
Both had a strong tailwind
The reason why the material is subjected, is because no one will race a 60ties bike now, and no one could race a recent bike in the sixties.
So overall that is not what makes the difference, and why its called marginal gains.
That looks like something Mark Hershey would ride
Which bars are those? Lambda?
Hope there's no crosswinds.
I hope there is.
Gravel biking is what happen to enjoying bike rides in the wilde when Insta, Rapha and Strava takes over.
It says much more about you as a person if you can’t enjoy riding a bike because other people post about it in the internet.
I guess we will see how this works?
closed circuit to anyone at the front of the race: give this guy a wide berth in the support zones
And the number plate will negate those aero advantages. Very creative.
......47th place. I guess all those aero gains went out the window
You don't really have enough data to conclude anything, maybe those aero gains took him from a 147th place to 47th. If just having an aero bike secured you a top 10, what's the point of having a race.
Fantastic. You guys have so much airborne, just start flying over the course and make wheels turn 90 degrees into helicopter props. I am sure you have already patented that concept.
All jokes aside good ideas and anything helps. Enjoy the ride, that what this is all about. Thanks.
He’s bringing the anti christ of cycling “triathlon” to the gravel seen.
It’s beautiful.
can only imagine the bullying he will get if he's not in front of the group pulling
this dude has more padding i his saddle than me and weight twice as him, i knew i was being dumb leaving it all to the tire
Yep .... Strange
Why wouldnt you just run an actual disc wheel? If its muddy, a proper disc would be the cleanest setup with no way to build mud in the wheel. The new zipp is almost the same width as the Emporia rim.
I hope it does not rain! What the hell is that for a dropbar size?? 33cm? How can he breath? 😂 But i looks after xs or s frame! The gravel cyclist are innovative like the triathlets! Good luck for all unbound cyclist! ✌
What brand is that rear wheel?
Hunt I think 🤔
He said it’s a Hed emporia rim (:45)
HED, good wheels. I raced with them for a decade. my first timetrial had a HED disc and tri spoke and it was a very fast setup
They made the logo as big as they could possibly make it 🥲
The logo is about 4" tall...
how on earth can 33cm bars NOT be twitchyAF on jank. sure, the aero gains are there.... but control with bars that narrow is garbage, even if you are "used" to it. That bike is well thought out, but no way I'll ever be convinced bars that narrow are gonna be helpful when it gets rowdy.
This rear wheel is a mudmagnet!
You forgot mount number plate 😂
Ben where you hiding at here UNBOUND
All that effort just to get smoked by a guy on a mtn bike slamming Monster Energy.
He absolutely gets blown around the road all the time on this :D
It's not the bike, it's the legs.......
Are we just going to ignore that Chase is in contact with Collin ?
Close your eyes and listen to Chris Griffin describe his gravel bike to you.
I don't like it, and I don't agree with it, but I respect the hell out of it
next level of innovation in sport will be time trial gravel bikes. essentially this guy is riding a time trial with no aero bars.
Go get it!! #drftless
*Laughs like Lachlan Morton*
Still better than softrides and ebikes
Looks insane. Wonder if it would be better to have more regulations to limit these frankenbikes.
First of all, what’s “Franken” about it? My plane Jane Warbird doesn’t look the same as my mtb, nor does it look the same as bikes from the early 1900s. Bikes change.
I think this looks fine, and makes a lot of sense. I run a top tube and frame bike on my Warbird all the time, just for convenience. Why not have the storage capacity, and then use it to make the bike faster as well? Cars have gotten more cupholders and cubbies over the years, just for practicality, why not bikes?
All this to get passed by an ex-pro on a 2 yr old road bike
there are people on basic alumunium wheels finished before this "dude"
This dude also won the DAM and has done really well in the Arrowhead...with a little mishap. Also rode non-stop the wrong way across Minnesota (south to north) and visited every Kwik Trip along the way. He's a good dude and is really creative.
Tilting the brake/shifters cause elbows out and is a heavy downside on aerodynamics….
String spokes not very aero…