Nobody: Jon: You see this? *points to tiny, unknown country* Without them, the entirety of western civilization wouldn't exist! Jon: Oh, and the same with this one Jon: And this one too
It gives to think about the amount of stuff that influenced even in the slightest the world and it's effects nowadays History is this big mess of causes and consequences that people try ti untangle, only to find they are facing half of the problem. And they love it.
He got wrong one thing, the olympic games were shut down because they were seen as pagan (as christianity was on the rise) not because of being seen as greek.
@@JohnAndJohner We are talking about the 4th century here. Greece had been roman for 6 centuries at that point and had by that time had adopted a roman identity. And the olympic games had been open to people from all the empire for most of that time. The closure was part of Theodosius strikes on pagan stuff, which also affected lots of ancient institutions from the city of Rome itself.
I'm pretty disappointed Jon went for something minor like the Olympians. We all know the most influential Greek city-state was Argos, which invented chaining little pens to a table and selling cheap tat.
Really appreciate you breaking away from the standard factions with more well-known history. I watch your grand strategy content for the actual history as much as anything
It really is! But did Jon ever breathe during that video? 😂 He talks faster the more he gets excited... And I've rarely seen such a breathless video as this one
*sees John playing more imperator Rome* well what do we have here? John: Guess what! Without this little spit of nothing! We wouldn't have indoor plumbing! Me: aw John, that's real sweet.
I have enjoyed many of your series to date; but, I must say the depth of knowledge you are sharing with this series is truly fascinating. I am utterly captivated by this series. More please!
Never heard of this game before. TH-cam actually recommended something I very much want to watch for once. The way you talk about history reminds me of Adrian Goldsworthy and Mike Loades. Subscribed, can't wait to watch more :)
It's like a history lecture, but the professor's map is incredibly detailed and interactive. And then instead of actually teaching me accurate history after the events, the professor teaches me a fanfiction that he made about Elis talking over the world.
Greatings from Greece, great video mate. Btw I am half Macedonian from Pella, from my father's side and half from Elis from Olympia, from my mother's side.
Came to watch a historical video game let's play, and got a great surprise of insightful historical analysis on how culture and national identity works. That was really cool and takes some understanding and study of some things other than a 30 minute survey of the historical high points during this era. "Liked" the video, which I don't often do.
Jon, Korinth is owned by Macedon and occupied by Aigion. You can't have that off Aigion in a war. Also, Thrace would be siege leader for Patrai and they'd probably give the occupation over to Macedon if they won the siege. I assume it is too late and the next episode is already recorded but I think you are about to make a few mistakes.
Great video for what looks like a great new game. Immediately subscribed! Can’t wait to see more, really looking forward to getting into this series and this game! Thanks.
Seems first DLC has to be a diplomacy DLC. This game, even though it's not a Total War, seems to focus exclusively on war on progress. Unlike say CK2. Also, despite Jon, it lacks the kinda personality touch that CK2 and even Rome TW have. So far it's a pure numbers game. And i think it's more complicated than complex. It generally feels like a lot like some of best of pieces from Stellaris, CK2 and so on but isolated and with a lack of depth to all of them.... I wonder, how they can possibly fix this. and what it will cost.
@Kyle Vernon Those games have only serious content after several DLC. Especially EU4. Hoi4 locks important features in otherwise pretty useless dlc. And this game here feels like bits and pieces from other Paradox game that seriously lack depth. Numbers and characters. I've seen Jon play CK2 and it feels very differently to a plain number game. Even Total War does. I doubt he can do it with this one. It will be army sizes and dice rolls all the way down. Oh and isorrowproductions just played EU4 without any dlc. Interesting video.
Absolutely loving your series and history lessons jon! You probably already recorded the next episode, but couldn't you just go for war with messene? sparta would help them, but they have barely any troops. You could take them AND sparta at the same time!
iam greek and sure i learned from this video!!thanks Jon for the the game and as a greek person thanks for the history lesson! usually i dont like games like that,that i cant play the battle by my self ( like in total war) but this is very nice game i would say!!! you cant play the battle but it has so many politics and other stuff to do! it has a lot of factions to play and that is great!
I have to say that, being an avid player of Paradox grand strategy games, I want too excited about this game. That's why it took me so long to start watching this series. But after watching this, I think I really need to get it and play it! This looks like exactly what I wanted for Victoria 3. It's not the Victorian era but I can live with that 😄
Hey great job! Can't wait for the next episode. Could you please consider attacking the south? Just built more troops and that's it. You will get Sparta too because they had some losses due to the war they have.
It's funny when you picture the diplomats in this game, they go off to tell another leader that we own what they have, leave his court to return with the good news; only to return a few weeks later and say "oh by the way we are at war, forgot to tell you"
Love your videos, but the Elian calendar was only one of many used in the Greek world, and the Romans got rid of the olympics because of tide of anti-pagan persecutions and crackdowns conducted to solidify Christianity, not because of it being a symbol for a pan-Hellenic identity.
You should be able to attack Messenia without Sparta joining their side, because you and Sparta are already in a war on the same side, against a third power. Also you reaally need to look up the definition of 'empire'
Lots of misinformation too in odyssey. Mainly because the director is political correctness in history muh. Especially about women in war/gay people in society. But its okay i guess.
BlackStar Nae actually the Greeks were actually (sort of) ok with homosexuality...not to the level that odyssey implies but it also wasn’t condemned like a lot of places...plus women did fight in Ancient Greece (again not to the level of odyssey but it still existed) Long story short while the game isn’t super accurate it’s not as inaccurate as you might think (although I fully admit that this was unintentional accuracy since like you said that stuff was only put in for pc reasons)
I'm definitely all for this new series! Just was expecting barbarian invasion, but this obviously had to come out today. I wonder what the new schedule is gonna be? Will Total War Barbarian Invasion still be on thursdays and sundays? Or will Imperator Rome take that spot? So many questions!
Awkward fact about the Olympic Flame being lit at Olympia for the start of every 'modern' games and then being relayed to the host city? It was introduced for the 1936 games. You know, the one they held in Berlin...
Nobody:
Jon: You see this? *points to tiny, unknown country* Without them, the entirety of western civilization wouldn't exist!
Jon: Oh, and the same with this one
Jon: And this one too
This is every historical game Jon has played
That Nobody though.
Everyone wants this.
I mean, he's not wrong tho 😂
well
given that the present is literally the result of a perfect combination of all-things past...
He's not wrong.
It gives to think about the amount of stuff that influenced even in the slightest the world and it's effects nowadays
History is this big mess of causes and consequences that people try ti untangle, only to find they are facing half of the problem.
And they love it.
Jon going on about history is the most important thing about this series
I missed History Jon.
He got wrong one thing, the olympic games were shut down because they were seen as pagan (as christianity was on the rise) not because of being seen as greek.
@@Dustz92 That sounds like an excuse, not a reason. Religion is the best oppressor of tradition.
@@JohnAndJohner We are talking about the 4th century here. Greece had been roman for 6 centuries at that point and had by that time had adopted a roman identity. And the olympic games had been open to people from all the empire for most of that time. The closure was part of Theodosius strikes on pagan stuff, which also affected lots of ancient institutions from the city of Rome itself.
Of course, we didn't come for the EUIV mod
I'm pretty disappointed Jon went for something minor like the Olympians. We all know the most influential Greek city-state was Argos, which invented chaining little pens to a table and selling cheap tat.
Eh don't forget about Arkadia. If it wasnt for them, the rest of Greece would starve.
Argos' greatest innovation was catalogs
Who else thought that when John first said dating system thought he meant relationships at first?
“Woah woah woah I can only smash every four years?!”
Cue some guy saying “Still infinitely more often than you have it now”. I left myself open...
@@JB-xl2jc Still infinitely more often than you have it now.
New adventures, new history lessons, new amazing Paradox game and a brand new series with Jon...HELL YEAH!!
Hey Jon, Marcus the Gambler asked when are you going to avenge him.
Thank you Jon for honoring Greek history with your amazing history lesson. Props to you my good man.
Really appreciate you breaking away from the standard factions with more well-known history.
I watch your grand strategy content for the actual history as much as anything
Very proud of myself for actually knowing Elis existed beforehand
I feel like Jon has talked about it before.
Let me guess... Assassins Creed Odyssey?
Mete Tural surprisingly no, just a 3am random internet deep-dive on the history of the olympics
You are the 1%
What a legend
History teacher from Argentina, Jon.
Let me tell you that i liked your video a lot. Your passion is very visible and inspiring.
I adore you!
It really is! But did Jon ever breathe during that video? 😂
He talks faster the more he gets excited...
And I've rarely seen such a breathless video as this one
I love these history lessons. Thank you Jon
fun fact, one of the events in the ancient Olympics was competitive trumpet playing!
*sees John playing more imperator Rome* well what do we have here?
John: Guess what! Without this little spit of nothing! We wouldn't have indoor plumbing!
Me: aw John, that's real sweet.
Oh cool the ancient history channel uploaded
Aww, i really wanted to see Jon play as Thebes, I wanted all the Oedipus jokes and lore. Oh well, Elis gonna be the Illest
Hi hope you all have a good day and life. Matn keep doing what you’re doing it makes my day better
Thanks, you to kind stranger.
Very kind of you good stranger
From the tweet I was expecting Bactria, or maybe Pontus. But no, of course you chose the most obscure little linchpin of history you could find.
Just wanted to say,
thank you MATN.
sucks that you didnt stick with crete and form a new minoan empire i was actually looking forward for part 3
Oh don't worry - we'll go and get Crete in this playthrough :)
@@ManyATrueNerd crete would be a good naval base
Jon, you should attack Mesene.Sparta has it's army away so they won't help them and you have the troops to take down Mesene.
thankgod this series is back, i love when you do paradox games
Shutting down the Olympics worked so well the Greeks considered themselves Romans for a long time after.
Oh Rome buried a timeless cultural relic for political control? Maybe empires are bad, actually.
Who could have guessed
Jon puts his degree to use in this game.
@@TheHuffmanator Classics involves studying all aspects of the classical world, including history as well as language and literature.
I have enjoyed many of your series to date; but, I must say the depth of knowledge you are sharing with this series is truly fascinating. I am utterly captivated by this series. More please!
I must say, I'm really enjoying the whole "Ancient Cold War" feeling this has...
22:50 in the bottom left the general lost his hair during the siege.
Never heard of this game before. TH-cam actually recommended something I very much want to watch for once. The way you talk about history reminds me of Adrian Goldsworthy and Mike Loades. Subscribed, can't wait to watch more :)
Elis, you say? Now there's a name i haven't heard much since playing Spartan: Total Warrior...
THANK YOU JON!
Great start. Love your style of play. Looking forward to the rest of the series
I feel like Jon should play EU4, I feel like it’s got a good combination of history and strategy that he seems to really do well with
It's like a history lecture, but the professor's map is incredibly detailed and interactive. And then instead of actually teaching me accurate history after the events, the professor teaches me a fanfiction that he made about Elis talking over the world.
Got to confess, I love it when Jon gets his History Geek out. The pure bouncing glee of it all is infectious :)
Oh god, this is just perfection. I’m going to adore this series, I can already tell
Greatings from Greece, great video mate. Btw I am half Macedonian from Pella, from my father's side and half from Elis from Olympia, from my mother's side.
And here is another example of why this is my favourite channel.
I'm convinced you have the best Imperator content. Chalazi Elis! Chalazi Olympia!
Jon is flexing his history degree again and I love it.
What a wonderful series, and it's only an episode in!
Thanks Jon, you are a good egg 🥚🐣
GREAT. A new adventure. Now I gotta take my damn pants off. Thanks alot Jon.
Came to watch a historical video game let's play, and got a great surprise of insightful historical analysis on how culture and national identity works. That was really cool and takes some understanding and study of some things other than a 30 minute survey of the historical high points during this era. "Liked" the video, which I don't often do.
Jon, Korinth is owned by Macedon and occupied by Aigion. You can't have that off Aigion in a war. Also, Thrace would be siege leader for Patrai and they'd probably give the occupation over to Macedon if they won the siege.
I assume it is too late and the next episode is already recorded but I think you are about to make a few mistakes.
Slave: I hate my life
Random man: Have an olive!
22:50 seige leader turns bald
Big fan matn keep it up and I love the history lessons
Thanks Jon. I love it
Great video for what looks like a great new game. Immediately subscribed! Can’t wait to see more, really looking forward to getting into this series and this game! Thanks.
OMG Jon your channel is about to explode. Paradox has linked these vids on the opening game screen as the tutorial!
Jon's history lessons give me life.
22:48 guy on bottom left. being in a siege can be stressful.
Wow good catch, that's hilarious!
A wonderful speech Jon I totally forgot the game. YOU ARE BETTER THAN BBC
Patrai looks like it has a quick land crossing, couldn't tell as the army helmet was right in the way to see.
Every time he says Elis did this or that I picture the guy from left 4 dead 2
*This is now canon*
Your history lessons are fantastic!
Rig the Olympics. RIIIIG THEM.
i love when he does his historic intros
Seems first DLC has to be a diplomacy DLC. This game, even though it's not a Total War, seems to focus exclusively on war on progress. Unlike say CK2.
Also, despite Jon, it lacks the kinda personality touch that CK2 and even Rome TW have. So far it's a pure numbers game. And i think it's more complicated than complex. It generally feels like a lot like some of best of pieces from Stellaris, CK2 and so on but isolated and with a lack of depth to all of them....
I wonder, how they can possibly fix this.
and what it will cost.
@Kyle Vernon Those games have only serious content after several DLC. Especially EU4. Hoi4 locks important features in otherwise pretty useless dlc. And this game here feels like bits and pieces from other Paradox game that seriously lack depth. Numbers and characters.
I've seen Jon play CK2 and it feels very differently to a plain number game. Even Total War does. I doubt he can do it with this one. It will be army sizes and dice rolls all the way down.
Oh and isorrowproductions just played EU4 without any dlc. Interesting video.
Jon sent the old guy to the olympics and lost last time.
Now he's planning to literally rig the olympic games
Absolutely loving your series and history lessons jon!
You probably already recorded the next episode, but couldn't you just go for war with messene? sparta would help them, but they have barely any troops. You could take them AND sparta at the same time!
Yay, Jon's history class is back
Damm good game. I like your playing style. Aggressive ^.^ Never knew about Elis neither. You got my sub bro.
Olympia is a bucket list location...its amazing in person!
Aaaah
Would Sparta even defend Messenia if you were to attack them?
Was thinking the same thing, especially since Sparta likes him. That's something you can often do in eu4 and others
It is currently long past midnight and I'm watching Jon. I need to sleep but can not.
iam greek and sure i learned from this video!!thanks Jon for the the game and as a greek person thanks for the history lesson! usually i dont like games like that,that i cant play the battle by my self ( like in total war) but this is very nice game i would say!!! you cant play the battle but it has so many politics and other stuff to do! it has a lot of factions to play and that is great!
I would listen to Jon give History lessons for hours
I have to say that, being an avid player of Paradox grand strategy games, I want too excited about this game. That's why it took me so long to start watching this series.
But after watching this, I think I really need to get it and play it! This looks like exactly what I wanted for Victoria 3. It's not the Victorian era but I can live with that 😄
Idk if you should be happy or sad about it, but I enjoy your videos about Imperator Rome more than the game itself
Loving the history lessons!
TH-cam subtitled "cassus belli" as "cow's ass bellow" and who am I to disagree, really.
Jon, weren't the Olympics shut down by the Emperor Theodosius due to being pagan festivals, rather than being Hellenic?
Hey great job! Can't wait for the next episode. Could you please consider attacking the south? Just built more troops and that's it. You will get Sparta too because they had some losses due to the war they have.
It's funny when you picture the diplomats in this game, they go off to tell another leader that we own what they have, leave his court to return with the good news; only to return a few weeks later and say "oh by the way we are at war, forgot to tell you"
SO. MUCH. YES.
Awww I was really looking forward to more Minoan history,but I’ll take a lesson on Olympia 😁
Can really only learn about Minoans through tidbits in History of Egypt podcast
Love your videos, but the Elian calendar was only one of many used in the Greek world, and the Romans got rid of the olympics because of tide of anti-pagan persecutions and crackdowns conducted to solidify Christianity, not because of it being a symbol for a pan-Hellenic identity.
"He can be as charismatic as he wants, but if he's not doing a good job, he's going to lose support"
By Zeus I wish it worked that way in real life
Fucking hell, that opening gave me chills.
when can we expect more of this
I've been waiting for this! I'm so excited lol!!!
You should be able to attack Messenia without Sparta joining their side, because you and Sparta are already in a war on the same side, against a third power.
Also you reaally need to look up the definition of 'empire'
Have you played AC: Oddysey? Lots of cool greek stuff, would love to see a vid of you playing along with your historical commentry
Lots of misinformation too in odyssey. Mainly because the director is political correctness in history muh. Especially about women in war/gay people in society.
But its okay i guess.
Not remotely accurate to history. Greeks were pale skins, they weren't woke to homosexuality, they did get the geography ok.
BlackStar Nae actually the Greeks were actually (sort of) ok with homosexuality...not to the level that odyssey implies but it also wasn’t condemned like a lot of places...plus women did fight in Ancient Greece (again not to the level of odyssey but it still existed)
Long story short while the game isn’t super accurate it’s not as inaccurate as you might think (although I fully admit that this was unintentional accuracy since like you said that stuff was only put in for pc reasons)
Great video Jon but I was wondering if you have ever played mount and blade?
Jon just to let you know the b in beotia is pronounced like a v like veotua
Veotia*
He'll never get it right..Basileifs is still brutal.. he says B
Its "never enough for now". MOAR!!! 😭
should I integrate new families when conquering or just stick with the starting ones?
Would love to see you retake the Pontus region at some point.
Came for game, Got classical history lesson. Ooohh Yeaaaahh! Gotta sub.
I've got a question: Is it possible to change your type of government? What I mean is, could you start as a republic und become a monarchy?
Dude you need to start History Hour podcast. I'd listen you're knowledgeable and an entertaining speaker
I thoroughly enjoy history so thanks for this lol
What do you call the limiting factor to tje number of troops you can have in this part of the world?
The Phrygian Cap... :p
IT HAS BEGUN
I'm definitely all for this new series! Just was expecting barbarian invasion, but this obviously had to come out today. I wonder what the new schedule is gonna be? Will Total War Barbarian Invasion still be on thursdays and sundays? Or will Imperator Rome take that spot? So many questions!
At the end of the video he says this series is getting a brand new slot created for it, so both will run side by side
@@Wyrmshield Yeah, I heard it, I'm just saying, I'm wondering WHEN, lol. also missing barbarian invasion, lol!
Who says video games aren’t educational. Very similar mechanics to crusader kings 2. I like it.
It's Troizen then
Luke Kuang Nice.
Love the the country you picked!
Awkward fact about the Olympic Flame being lit at Olympia for the start of every 'modern' games and then being relayed to the host city?
It was introduced for the 1936 games. You know, the one they held in Berlin...
You should try Veneto, they have horses from the beginning
An awesome history lesson without a stuffy class room.