Great video as always!! Finally have my Arc Trinitys in the mail to me, going for the exact effect you were talking about as I have a bigger 44 foot :D Been ice skating all winter and took my current inlines out for the first time today, felt like bambi for the first 5 minutes 😳 here's hoping I like the Arcs and can figure out a good setup for my foot!
How do these compare to other 5 wheel frames? Is the rocker deeper? I am using NN Dragon+ now and sort of want more rocker to be more like my hockey skates.
Thanks for your videos! I’m curious if you find the frame length an issue with cross overs and dance moves? I believe they are the same length as the Endless 90s which I own but haven’t skates in over a year since I put my FR1 3x 110 frame on. This is a 243mm frame and I just love doing crossovers, trucker type rink moves. Even trying jam skating on them and I do t know if I could do this with a frame longer than about 250mm.
Hi there! The Arc CS has a longer wheelbase at 292mm, than the 276mm wheelbase of the Endless 90. I don’t have trouble with crossovers on either, but I can say neither will be good for slalom, if that’s what you mean by dance. The Arc CS is a flow skate frame. Whether your flow looks like figure skating or like wizard skating. It works for either because the rocker is deeper than the 90.
Good explanation of the difference between ice & inline. Dealing with edges vs wheels has been the hardest thing about learning to ice skate. The little hop transitions that work on my 4x80 inline skates don't work very well on my ice skates - if you aren't moving in a straight line, you have to commit to an edge, where on wheels you just have to keep body and feet pointing the same way. Small correction: some hockey blades do have multiple radii of curvature. Given that my PS Reigns are Euro 46, which endless frame do you think would be the most similar to ice hockey skates?
Figure skates also have two different rocker profiles for the front and back of the blades, but I did not want to go into the specifics of how certain ice blades are different as that discussion can get deep in its own way. I’m not sure there is anything on the market that mimics a hockey skate accurately. And Endless has no skate that is designed for that. I think a slalom rocker is the closest thing… and I use the word “close” loosely.
@@DeezSkates OK. Probably eventually try one just for fun. Marsblade claims to be an accurate ice skate equivalent, but that would be an investment in a new pair of skates, plus I think they take smaller wheels.
Good point. I have seen Marsblades, but I have my reservations about something with moving parts in the frame. I can see how it might provide the feel of ice.. but it seems like it would do so at the cost of performance. Any time you introduce moving parts you introduce energy waste, and therefore loss of power transfer.. And my experience has been that the deepest edges and most efficient transfer of power happens on the ice. But I have never tried them, so I’m just theorizing and could be completely wrong about that.
Thanks for nice review. I really like this frame. Do you think the arc cs should be ok with a 44-45 boot ? I know I could get the normal ARC but I do like this one more :)
I think it’s perfectly fine for a size 44-45. I’m a size 42 and I wish the frame was a little shorter. If my size was 44-45 I think it would be more suited to how I like to skate.
I’ve used both before. What would you like to know? Are you curious about the Arc CS specifically in comparison to the PR frames? Or how Arc and Arc ES compare?
@@jorg6724 The Arc CS is quite a bit shorter than the PR76 and PR80. It's only 292 mm long and its overall length is about the same as 4x90 (with wheels). Overall the Arc CS should give you a lower ride height due to the 68 mm wheels, but it's not apples-to-apples comparing 165 and UFS. It's also very light so any motion of your foot/leg feels very unrestrained. There's quite a bit of momentum you have to counteract to change direction when swinging a leg with a Seba CJ/SX and a PR76/80 on the end of it. It's a much more massive setup and as such slows down movements accordingly. So it doesn't have the same nimble, light-footed feel. The tighter pivot spacing of the Arc CS makes is especially agile and darty...it's effectively the same as 5x72. I hope that helps.
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excellent breakdown between ice and inline. always wondered how to explain the differences.
Great video as always!! Finally have my Arc Trinitys in the mail to me, going for the exact effect you were talking about as I have a bigger 44 foot :D
Been ice skating all winter and took my current inlines out for the first time today, felt like bambi for the first 5 minutes 😳 here's hoping I like the Arcs and can figure out a good setup for my foot!
Let’s goooo!
Thanks for the great in-depth review!
How do these compare to other 5 wheel frames? Is the rocker deeper? I am using NN Dragon+ now and sort of want more rocker to be more like my hockey skates.
I’ve also tried the NN 5x80 frames and the rocker on both versions of the Endless Arc is much deeper and smoother than the NN rocker.
@@DeezSkates I might need to get some Endless! Have you tried the bigger wheel versions?
Thanks for your videos! I’m curious if you find the frame length an issue with cross overs and dance moves? I believe they are the same length as the Endless 90s which I own but haven’t skates in over a year since I put my FR1 3x 110 frame on. This is a 243mm frame and I just love doing
crossovers, trucker type rink moves. Even trying jam skating on them and I do t know if I could do this with a frame longer than about 250mm.
Hi there! The Arc CS has a longer wheelbase at 292mm, than the 276mm wheelbase of the Endless 90. I don’t have trouble with crossovers on either, but I can say neither will be good for slalom, if that’s what you mean by dance. The Arc CS is a flow skate frame. Whether your flow looks like figure skating or like wizard skating. It works for either because the rocker is deeper than the 90.
Yay @ Edea review coming 😄! I've also been wondering this: could a really good skater like yourself do "wizard" moves such as gazelles on quads?
Good explanation of the difference between ice & inline. Dealing with edges vs wheels has been the hardest thing about learning to ice skate. The little hop transitions that work on my 4x80 inline skates don't work very well on my ice skates - if you aren't moving in a straight line, you have to commit to an edge, where on wheels you just have to keep body and feet pointing the same way. Small correction: some hockey blades do have multiple radii of curvature. Given that my PS Reigns are Euro 46, which endless frame do you think would be the most similar to ice hockey skates?
Figure skates also have two different rocker profiles for the front and back of the blades, but I did not want to go into the specifics of how certain ice blades are different as that discussion can get deep in its own way.
I’m not sure there is anything on the market that mimics a hockey skate accurately. And Endless has no skate that is designed for that. I think a slalom rocker is the closest thing… and I use the word “close” loosely.
@@DeezSkates OK. Probably eventually try one just for fun. Marsblade claims to be an accurate ice skate equivalent, but that would be an investment in a new pair of skates, plus I think they take smaller wheels.
Good point. I have seen Marsblades, but I have my reservations about something with moving parts in the frame. I can see how it might provide the feel of ice.. but it seems like it would do so at the cost of performance. Any time you introduce moving parts you introduce energy waste, and therefore loss of power transfer.. And my experience has been that the deepest edges and most efficient transfer of power happens on the ice. But I have never tried them, so I’m just theorizing and could be completely wrong about that.
👏🏻👏🏻 I’m not an ice skater but I would love to try the ARC CS for fun, flow moves and try to learn some dance moves 🎉
how timely, I was just looking into Wizard skating last night. I've been on quads for a couple of years, but I've always felt better with inlines.
Why u settled with something that feels worse ?!
Thanks for nice review. I really like this frame. Do you think the arc cs should be ok with a 44-45 boot ? I know I could get the normal ARC but I do like this one more :)
I think it’s perfectly fine for a size 44-45. I’m a size 42 and I wish the frame was a little shorter. If my size was 44-45 I think it would be more suited to how I like to skate.
Can you to say something about the difference compared to wizzard pr frames. Thanks a lot for your detailed reviews, York
I’ve used both before. What would you like to know? Are you curious about the Arc CS specifically in comparison to the PR frames? Or how Arc and Arc ES compare?
@@endlessblading i was curious about the comparison between the cs and the pr. Greets
@@jorg6724 The Arc CS is quite a bit shorter than the PR76 and PR80. It's only 292 mm long and its overall length is about the same as 4x90 (with wheels). Overall the Arc CS should give you a lower ride height due to the 68 mm wheels, but it's not apples-to-apples comparing 165 and UFS. It's also very light so any motion of your foot/leg feels very unrestrained. There's quite a bit of momentum you have to counteract to change direction when swinging a leg with a Seba CJ/SX and a PR76/80 on the end of it. It's a much more massive setup and as such slows down movements accordingly. So it doesn't have the same nimble, light-footed feel. The tighter pivot spacing of the Arc CS makes is especially agile and darty...it's effectively the same as 5x72. I hope that helps.
Deez, thanks a lot for your detailed answer. Thats amazing❤ have fun to make more of what you're doing for all of us
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I'll stick with my wizard frames.