Thanks. For me it is just easier. I can just pull the stake out of the ground and if I don’t need to stake down a point I don’t have the line hanging and getting in the way. And since I use fleez from dutchware I can easily switch between using the line on my stake or the extra line I use tie out to a tree or root.
100 % correct , hammock set ups are customizable to the persons needs and continues to be a learning experience. In all my years of hammock camping ( from the late 50's ) I learned a new trick today , thanks to your video. The treaking poll set up is pure genius. Less lines to trip over and having your gear do more then one thing. They will be used that way when the rain fly is not in it's usual porch mode. What would we do without the line attachments from Dutchwear. I tied knots for more years then I care to admit. I have switched over to a couple of the different pieces from Dutchwear. The Fleaz for the tie outs and the Tarp Flyz for the ridge line. My rain fly is one from Warbonnet the ( Minifly , rain fly ) in the Bushwack camo pattern. It has the split-beaks ( small doors ) on each end of the hex fly that extend out for extra protection. They help to stop any almost horizontal rain from entering but still offer ventilation , something really desired here in our Florida heat and humidity. One inside addition I really like is the Ridge Line Organizer from Hammock Gear. Also from Hammock Gear the mesh snake skins , one for the rain fly and one for the hammock.
Thanks! My usual configuration is portcullis mode. My favorite unless it’s really windy and cold, then I hunker down. That is when I mainly use the trekking poles for the pullouts to give me some more space and to keep the tarp off me if it’s windy. At least in theory. Lol. My organizer is from dream hammock but I do have the loft from hammock gear and the peak loft for my Chamaeleon hammock. I will be going over that in an upcoming video. I’ve been looking at the warbonnet tarps lately. They look really versatile.
I've never heard of that at 4:50. Interesting. I like your tips and techniques. Excellent job. 👍 Glad another one of your videos popped up on my feed this morning. Fully watched. 💪
Thanks! I appreciate it! At 4:50 they are FLEAZ from dutchware. I have a link in the description. I love those things. They make it so easy to connect your line. I am not a knot person. Especially when it is cold out and my hands are cold. Makes it hard to tie knots. One twist and it is connected.
awesome video,,, clear and precise,,,, really appreciated the hack for using the hiking poles over the top of the continuous ridge line for increasing the internal volume of the living space
The trekking pole over the top works well. It pulls the sides up a little instead of out and down when you use a guy line to the ground. I think it makes even more room. But if the weather is going to be really windy I would strake them out to the ground instead for extra security.
Looks like you deserve a congratulations on 1,000 subscribers...so...Congratulations! Would like to try hammock camping and your advice is indispensable...
Thanks! It took a while but was worth it. Hammocks are fun. They are a little bit more work but you can customize everything and really personalize it to you. You may really enjoy it, especially if you are someone that likes to tinker with your gear since you can modify and change it all the time. If you are going to try it make sure you do your research first so you don’t have a bad experience.
Cool setup Dan. I like the idea of using shock cord to help resist treating in a wind. Cool trick. I'll need to get some. Hope all is well. Have a great day.
Alot of the same. I switched from the continuous ridgeline to a split ridgeline using Dutch stingerz. I like that better now that I have a feel for how everything lines up.
I started with a split ridge line and switched to the continuous a couple years ago. In my opinion, the split ridge line is easier and faster to adjust than a continuous ridge line. Again that is just me. But, having the ridgeline continuous and above my tarp allows me to use the trekking pole mod on my pullouts over my tarp without having them rest on the tarp and potentially hurting it. With that said o rarely use the pole mod as I am usually in porch mode. May be time for me to change back.
Thanks! Dutchware Gear just released a new silpoly tarp that doesn’t need to be seam sealed. He figured out a way to bond it. And as a bonus he’s creating tape for it for patches. So aside from the weight it is similar to dyneema so no seam sealing and start at $170., about a third of the cost of dyneema.. I talk about it and show it a little in my latest trip video. I will do a detailed video in the next couple weeks. Here is a link to it I f you want to check it out. bit.ly/35OPh7j
Nice setup. That’s a great tarp setup my friend. Your so correct about everyone having a different setup. I absolutely love Hammock Gear. Great company
+Pam Danko Thanks! The guy lines are 6 feet (183cm). They are attached to my steaks. The shock door the side guy lines attach to are 8 inches (20.32cm) before they are tied. I put a Dutchware flea on the shock cord the I just use a larks head knot to attach it. The fleas allow me to very quickly and easily attach my guy lines. The shock cord for my doors are 26 inches before being attached. The length of the shock cord for the tie outs and the doors are a personal preference. For the guy lines, the longer the shock cord the more give it will have on the wind but also more flap and conversely the smaller it is. Same for the doors. If you pitch your tarp really tight usually you may want them a little smaller or if you pitch it wider than you may need them longer. They way I figured it out for my tarp and what I like is I used a long piece of shock cord and didn’t cut it. I did attach the mitton hook to one end but the back end I just would tie it and different lengths and tried it. Then when I found the length that worked for me I cut it and tied it. But mine are a little longer but if I have to pitch it tight and need to shorten the cords for the doors so the doors don’t flap I just put a larks head in the middle to take up some slack. I can remove it when I’m finished. I hope this helps!
Nice vid! I've practically lived in my warbonnet Blackbird xlc for a year I highly recommend. I use the warbonnet superbly it has been very reliable for me here in the tropics. I use a similar system to pull the doors inside when not in use.
Thanks! I love having the door panels on my tarps. Makes them more versatile. Using the shock cord and mitten hooks makes dealing with the doors so much easier.
I loop each end of large elastic hair tie through the corner D ring and LiteOutdoors Ultralight Guyline Tensioner. My guyline connected to my Y stake, similar to yours, is easily tensioned through the plastic hardware. No loose hardware to lose.
Nice presentation on your set up. Protecting the DCF using the continuous ridge line make a lot of sense. What is the total weight of your set up - tarp, all chords, stakes, ect.? Thanks.
The after seeing a number of videos, one of which was Jason at Outdoors Adventures, I chose this setup and love it. One thing I just saw and I forgot from whom, he cut the clasp off the mitten hook so you don't have to mess with the clip. Thanks for a great review.
Thanks! Come to think of it, the plastic clip on the mitten hook is a pain. Hard to un clip it. I never even considered removing the plastic clip. That will make it so much easier. I will gave to do that.
Good video. Like the door system, tried many but not that exact one yet, will give it a run. I personally gave up all the Dutch doo dads (but never my Chameleon and 1/2 Wit !) and started using line locs again, seems easier to deal with for me. Went back to knots for my ridgeline, that's a little tougher but I feel good about myself when I get it right ! Contradictions aplenty. One difference for me is I run my ridgeline under my tarp, always worried about stressing the fabric too much to keep the tarp taut by running the ridgeline over it, nothing except pure line tension holding it up that way. I could be convinced otherwise with some solid arguments on the issue ? Thanks again, very nice job on this.
Thanks. I going to start learning knots and try to use them more often. It would mean less parts over all to worry about. I never really thought about the ridge line being under the tarp but I could do it easily with my current ridge line. Probably because the way I used to rig it up was with the lines attached to each ridge point. Two separate lines. But I see what you are saying about the stress on the fabric. Especially at the ridge points with the thread. I think I will put it underneath and try it this weekend. The only concern I have is when I use my trekking poles on the top to pull the sides out. They rested on top of the ridge line and don’t touch the tarp. That worries me too because it could rub or even tear the fabric. But then again I don’t do that mid all that often. I’ll give it a try.
If you run the ridgeline under the tarp, be sure to put a drip line just inside the tarp in case it rains. No rain running down the ridgeline and under the tarp that way.
@@PopPopTN that is a great tip. I wouldn’t have thought about the drip line. I really only think about them on my hammock suspension but if anything is under the tarp it risks water flowing in. Thanks!
So helpful! Can you give specifics on the ridge line & cordage that you use (type, thickness, length). Basically I’d love a specific shopping list because I’m in analysis paralysis 🤣
+Greta Rowe This ridge line is a continuous ridge line from Dutchware. It is 35 feet (10.67 meters) of yellow Zing-it at 1.75mm. To connect my tarp I chose soft shackles that are made of the same Zing-it. On one side there is a Dutch Hook which simply goes around the tree and hooks to the line and the other end there is a Dutchware Wasp that is used to connect the other end, adjust and tighten it down. Takes a little practice to get used to it. Since it is one continuous line and my tarp length at the ridge line is 12 feet (3.66 meters) leaves roughly 11.5 feet (3.5 meters) of line on either side of the tarp ridge line points. Here is a link to Dutchware and the continuous ridge line dutchwaregear.com/product/continuous-ridgeline/#type-and-color . There are several options you have for line type, thickness, hardware, etc. I hope this helps.
I have used a split ridgeline and I liked it. I used a line lock at the tarp ridge point and a Dutch hook or carabiner on each end. Worked out really well. I think I’m some ways it was easier to adjust. But I have my continuous ridgeline above my tarp so that provides support for my trekking poles when I use them with my mod as pull outs. I’m always worried that the latches on the trekking pole will rub or sit the tarp but they sit pretty well on the ridgeline.
I know a few knots. I’m going to learn a few more so I don’t need the hardware eventually. The tracking pole pull outs works really well. I extend mine out fully so it pulls out more instead of up.
Nice video and nice set up I just received my Hammock gear dyneema tarp, but I did't get the ridgeline and the mesh sleeve like you use in your video, did you get it all inclusive or you bought it separatly? Or you made it yourself? thank you
+Carl Ringdahl Thanks! I got the ridge line separately. It is the continuous ridge line from Dutchware. He has several options for it. My older tarp had line locks and 15 feet of cord on each side. There are so many ways to do it and there are no right or wrongs. The mesh sleeve is very nice, in that, it allows for easier storage and deployment. They say the mesh allows it to dry while you are carrying it but not really. Does better than a sil nylon or something non-mesh but since the tarp is rolled the inside won’t dry anyway. But I like it. I did get the mesh from hammock gear but other companies make them or something similar.
@@seasidesweden7029 When I bought the complete continuous ridge line from Dutchware you have the option of a carabiner or his soft shackle. I chose the soft shackle. The soft shackle attaches to the rice line either a prusik knot and then the other side is connected with a loop that goes through the D-ring on my tarp. Here is a link to a video from Dutch where he shows in detail how to connect it to your tarp. th-cam.com/video/X2AonCpb0Qw/w-d-xo.html
Great set-up and video. I'm looking at Dyneema tarps with doors to replace my basic hex tarp. May I ask why you went with the HG tarp vs. the Dutchware tarp ? Is there a size difference ?
I think when I bought it (a couple years ago) Hammock Gear had the largest and I don’t believe Dutchware had a dyneema tarp at that time. As of now, the Hammock Gear Palace tarp is wider at 10’ 4” while the Dutchware Winter Tarp is 8’ 6 inches. For winter I definitely wanted a wider tarp. If o had to choose now I would still go with the Hammock Gear because of the size difference. Now that is comparing dyneema to dyneema. Dutchware has a wider sil nylon tarp at 11’ 6”.
@@backpackingadventures4813 Thanks for taking the time to respond. I think I'm going to buy a Dyneema tarp with doors some time in the next couple months. I guess I'll need to weigh out width vs. price.
Do you find the Dyneema makes it hotter under the tarp than other fabrics? Like, uncomfortably hot?? I’m thinking about pulling the trigger on a HG model.
I’ve been using them for a few years and have never noticed any increase in heat. But I would think it could get hot if sitting in direct sunlight with the doors closed. The greenhouse affect.
I just wanna know how you got it packed down so tiny in the thumbnail. My winter palace in snakeskin barely goes back in the stuffsack it came in. I end out making a swiss roll out of it and putting in the top of my pack instead of even using the stuff sack. I wonder if since mine's camo dcf it might be a thicker material than the white dcf making a difference. 🤔
I’m not sure about the camo vs the green but it makes sense because the camo is heavier so maybe more bulky too. I didn’t really think mine packed down all that small considering my silpoly tarps pack down much smaller. As far as how I pack it. I kind of fold/roll it. I pack it up while it’s hanging. I grab a corner and start rolling it and keep going pretty tightly. As I roll it I keep pulling the snake skin over it until it’s in it. Then I fold it in half with the two ends with my ridge line attached and have them side by side. I then take the folded end and start to fold/roll it starting with about 6-8 inch fold. Then keep rolling/folding in and pressing it to my chest to compress it. I keep doing that until I have the ends with the ridge line. Then I take the ridge line and wrap it around the folder/rolled bundle. I wrap each time tightly which compresses it even more. This allows me to pack it it the stuff sack with a lot of extra room and I put my bag of stakes and line and my ground sheet in it. All fit easily. I hope this helps.
@Backpacking Adventures yeah, mine just won't pack that small. I love the tarp, but my daughters xenon winter tarp packs to literally nothing beside mine.
@@j817madi I also have a xenon bonded winter tarp and it packs down much much smaller then my palace tarp. It’s heavier but definitely takes up less space.
Great video. I really liked your trekking pole hack - great idea. Would be good if you showed a little closer view/ detail on how you tied them in. Also, I got the Chill Gorilla 12 ft tarp with doors that is similar to your palace tarp. It is silnylon and weighs about 7 or 8 oz more but was under $100 and was a better fit for my budget.
Keeping the line attached to the stakes has to be the best idea I've ever heard
Thanks. For me it is just easier. I can just pull the stake out of the ground and if I don’t need to stake down a point I don’t have the line hanging and getting in the way. And since I use fleez from dutchware I can easily switch between using the line on my stake or the extra line I use tie out to a tree or root.
100 % correct , hammock set ups are customizable to the persons needs and continues to be a learning experience. In all my years of hammock camping ( from the late 50's ) I learned a new trick today , thanks to your video. The treaking poll set up is pure genius. Less lines to trip over and having your gear do more then one thing. They will be used that way when the rain fly is not in it's usual porch mode.
What would we do without the line attachments from Dutchwear. I tied knots for more years then I care to admit. I have switched over to a couple of the different pieces from Dutchwear. The Fleaz for the tie outs and the Tarp Flyz for the ridge line. My rain fly is one from Warbonnet the ( Minifly , rain fly ) in the Bushwack camo pattern. It has the split-beaks ( small doors ) on each end of the hex fly that extend out for extra protection. They help to stop any almost horizontal rain from entering but still offer ventilation , something really desired here in our Florida heat and humidity.
One inside addition I really like is the Ridge Line Organizer from Hammock Gear. Also from Hammock Gear the mesh snake skins , one for the rain fly and one for the hammock.
Thanks! My usual configuration is portcullis mode. My favorite unless it’s really windy and cold, then I hunker down. That is when I mainly use the trekking poles for the pullouts to give me some more space and to keep the tarp off me if it’s windy. At least in theory. Lol. My organizer is from dream hammock but I do have the loft from hammock gear and the peak loft for my Chamaeleon hammock. I will be going over that in an upcoming video. I’ve been looking at the warbonnet tarps lately. They look really versatile.
Oh, and Dutch is a genius with all the bling he comes up with.
I've never heard of that at 4:50. Interesting. I like your tips and techniques. Excellent job. 👍 Glad another one of your videos popped up on my feed this morning. Fully watched. 💪
Thanks! I appreciate it! At 4:50 they are FLEAZ from dutchware. I have a link in the description. I love those things. They make it so easy to connect your line. I am not a knot person. Especially when it is cold out and my hands are cold. Makes it hard to tie knots. One twist and it is connected.
awesome video,,, clear and precise,,,, really appreciated the hack for using the hiking poles over the top of the continuous ridge line for increasing the internal volume of the living space
The trekking pole over the top works well. It pulls the sides up a little instead of out and down when you use a guy line to the ground. I think it makes even more room. But if the weather is going to be really windy I would strake them out to the ground instead for extra security.
Looks like you deserve a congratulations on 1,000 subscribers...so...Congratulations! Would like to try hammock camping and your advice is indispensable...
Thanks! It took a while but was worth it. Hammocks are fun. They are a little bit more work but you can customize everything and really personalize it to you. You may really enjoy it, especially if you are someone that likes to tinker with your gear since you can modify and change it all the time. If you are going to try it make sure you do your research first so you don’t have a bad experience.
Hello my friend, I like your tarp set up. Take Care and Keep Exploring The Outdoors.
Thanks!
some really great tips there. thanks!
Thanks Jeff!
Cool setup Dan. I like the idea of using shock cord to help resist treating in a wind. Cool trick. I'll need to get some. Hope all is well. Have a great day.
Thanks! The shock cords really do help to provide a little give in high winds. Works really well.
Alot of the same. I switched from the continuous ridgeline to a split ridgeline using Dutch stingerz. I like that better now that I have a feel for how everything lines up.
I started with a split ridge line and switched to the continuous a couple years ago. In my opinion, the split ridge line is easier and faster to adjust than a continuous ridge line. Again that is just me. But, having the ridgeline continuous and above my tarp allows me to use the trekking pole mod on my pullouts over my tarp without having them rest on the tarp and potentially hurting it. With that said o rarely use the pole mod as I am usually in porch mode. May be time for me to change back.
Holly goodness, now I need ta adjust my tarp setup,nice ideas.thanks.wish I could afford to justify a dcf fly but sill works 2....
Thanks! Dutchware Gear just released a new silpoly tarp that doesn’t need to be seam sealed. He figured out a way to bond it. And as a bonus he’s creating tape for it for patches. So aside from the weight it is similar to dyneema so no seam sealing and start at $170., about a third of the cost of dyneema.. I talk about it and show it a little in my latest trip video. I will do a detailed video in the next couple weeks. Here is a link to it I f you want to check it out. bit.ly/35OPh7j
Yes thank you very much...
Thanks for the info. I am new to trying out hammock camping and I love hearing the details
You’re welcome. You will love hammock camping. But if a learning curve but not too bad.
Nice setup. That’s a great tarp setup my friend.
Your so correct about everyone having a different setup.
I absolutely love Hammock Gear. Great company
Thanks! I had another tarp and the setup was totally different. Lol. I probably will change this up over time as well as new cool stuff comes out! Lol
Great video. Love this set up. How long are the guidelines and shock cords that you connect to the tarp and doors?
+Pam Danko Thanks! The guy lines are 6 feet (183cm). They are attached to my steaks. The shock door the side guy lines attach to are 8 inches (20.32cm) before they are tied. I put a Dutchware flea on the shock cord the I just use a larks head knot to attach it. The fleas allow me to very quickly and easily attach my guy lines. The shock cord for my doors are 26 inches before being attached. The length of the shock cord for the tie outs and the doors are a personal preference. For the guy lines, the longer the shock cord the more give it will have on the wind but also more flap and conversely the smaller it is. Same for the doors. If you pitch your tarp really tight usually you may want them a little smaller or if you pitch it wider than you may need them longer. They way I figured it out for my tarp and what I like is I used a long piece of shock cord and didn’t cut it. I did attach the mitton hook to one end but the back end I just would tie it and different lengths and tried it. Then when I found the length that worked for me I cut it and tied it. But mine are a little longer but if I have to pitch it tight and need to shorten the cords for the doors so the doors don’t flap I just put a larks head in the middle to take up some slack. I can remove it when I’m finished. I hope this helps!
@@backpackingadventures4813 Yes. This helps a lot. Thanks for taking your time to respond to me. I plan on using the same set up for my tarp.
Nice vid! I've practically lived in my warbonnet Blackbird xlc for a year I highly recommend. I use the warbonnet superbly it has been very reliable for me here in the tropics. I use a similar system to pull the doors inside when not in use.
Thanks! I love having the door panels on my tarps. Makes them more versatile. Using the shock cord and mitten hooks makes dealing with the doors so much easier.
Nice set-up you got there! Those little clips you have are really handy! 😀 Thanks for sharing! 😁
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed it!
That is a sweet setup! I will definitely be stealing some of those ideas.
Thanks! Checkout The Dutchware website. He has a bunch of things for your hammock and tarp.
I loop each end of large elastic hair tie through the corner D ring and LiteOutdoors Ultralight Guyline Tensioner. My guyline connected to my Y stake, similar to yours, is easily tensioned through the plastic hardware. No loose hardware to lose.
Nice presentation on your set up. Protecting the DCF using the continuous ridge line make a lot of sense. What is the total weight of your set up - tarp, all chords, stakes, ect.? Thanks.
Thanks! With the snake skin, stuff sacks, 6 stakes, hardware, shock cord, guy lines, extra lines, etc. it is about 17oz.
Backpacking Adventures Awesome, thanks for your quick reply.
@@barondavis5692 you’re welcome! 👍
The after seeing a number of videos, one of which was Jason at Outdoors Adventures, I chose this setup and love it. One thing I just saw and I forgot from whom, he cut the clasp off the mitten hook so you don't have to mess with the clip. Thanks for a great review.
Thanks! Come to think of it, the plastic clip on the mitten hook is a pain. Hard to un clip it. I never even considered removing the plastic clip. That will make it so much easier. I will gave to do that.
@@backpackingadventures4813 Hi again after cutting off the clasp make sure you sand/file it smooth
Good point. Otherwise it could damage the tarp. Thanks!
@@backpackingadventures4813 check out Triple Nickel Outdoors. I did some research and he has some good tarp Mods. Take Care
@@davidson_oldbull_sectionhiker thanks Warren. I will check out that channel.
Good video. Like the door system, tried many but not that exact one yet, will give it a run. I personally gave up all the Dutch doo dads (but never my Chameleon and 1/2 Wit !) and started using line locs again, seems easier to deal with for me. Went back to knots for my ridgeline, that's a little tougher but I feel good about myself when I get it right ! Contradictions aplenty. One difference for me is I run my ridgeline under my tarp, always worried about stressing the fabric too much to keep the tarp taut by running the ridgeline over it, nothing except pure line tension holding it up that way. I could be convinced otherwise with some solid arguments on the issue ? Thanks again, very nice job on this.
Thanks. I going to start learning knots and try to use them more often. It would mean less parts over all to worry about. I never really thought about the ridge line being under the tarp but I could do it easily with my current ridge line. Probably because the way I used to rig it up was with the lines attached to each ridge point. Two separate lines. But I see what you are saying about the stress on the fabric. Especially at the ridge points with the thread. I think I will put it underneath and try it this weekend. The only concern I have is when I use my trekking poles on the top to pull the sides out. They rested on top of the ridge line and don’t touch the tarp. That worries me too because it could rub or even tear the fabric. But then again I don’t do that mid all that often. I’ll give it a try.
If you run the ridgeline under the tarp, be sure to put a drip line just inside the tarp in case it rains. No rain running down the ridgeline and under the tarp that way.
@@PopPopTN that is a great tip. I wouldn’t have thought about the drip line. I really only think about them on my hammock suspension but if anything is under the tarp it risks water flowing in. Thanks!
So helpful! Can you give specifics on the ridge line & cordage that you use (type, thickness, length). Basically I’d love a specific shopping list because I’m in analysis paralysis 🤣
+Greta Rowe This ridge line is a continuous ridge line from Dutchware. It is 35 feet (10.67 meters) of yellow Zing-it at 1.75mm. To connect my tarp I chose soft shackles that are made of the same Zing-it. On one side there is a Dutch Hook which simply goes around the tree and hooks to the line and the other end there is a Dutchware Wasp that is used to connect the other end, adjust and tighten it down. Takes a little practice to get used to it. Since it is one continuous line and my tarp length at the ridge line is 12 feet (3.66 meters) leaves roughly 11.5 feet (3.5 meters) of line on either side of the tarp ridge line points. Here is a link to Dutchware and the continuous ridge line dutchwaregear.com/product/continuous-ridgeline/#type-and-color . There are several options you have for line type, thickness, hardware, etc. I hope this helps.
@@backpackingadventures4813 thank you! Have you tried a split ridge line with zingerz instead of the CRL?
I have used a split ridgeline and I liked it. I used a line lock at the tarp ridge point and a Dutch hook or carabiner on each end. Worked out really well. I think I’m some ways it was easier to adjust. But I have my continuous ridgeline above my tarp so that provides support for my trekking poles when I use them with my mod as pull outs. I’m always worried that the latches on the trekking pole will rub or sit the tarp but they sit pretty well on the ridgeline.
@@backpackingadventures4813 I’m so glad I asked! I was planning on copying your pole setup & I didn’t even think of that!
So I like some of your ideas. I'm a knot guy so I don't need the hardware. I do like your trekking pole idea though. Great video man?
I know a few knots. I’m going to learn a few more so I don’t need the hardware eventually. The tracking pole pull outs works really well. I extend mine out fully so it pulls out more instead of up.
Nice setup 👍
Thanks!
Nice video and nice set up
I just received my Hammock gear dyneema tarp, but I did't get the ridgeline and the mesh sleeve like you use in your video, did you get it all inclusive or you bought it separatly? Or you made it yourself? thank you
+Carl Ringdahl Thanks! I got the ridge line separately. It is the continuous ridge line from Dutchware. He has several options for it. My older tarp had line locks and 15 feet of cord on each side. There are so many ways to do it and there are no right or wrongs. The mesh sleeve is very nice, in that, it allows for easier storage and deployment. They say the mesh allows it to dry while you are carrying it but not really. Does better than a sil nylon or something non-mesh but since the tarp is rolled the inside won’t dry anyway. But I like it. I did get the mesh from hammock gear but other companies make them or something similar.
@@backpackingadventures4813 Thank you very much!
+Carl Ringdahl you’re welcome!
@@seasidesweden7029 When I bought the complete continuous ridge line from Dutchware you have the option of a carabiner or his soft shackle. I chose the soft shackle. The soft shackle attaches to the rice line either a prusik knot and then the other side is connected with a loop that goes through the D-ring on my tarp. Here is a link to a video from Dutch where he shows in detail how to connect it to your tarp. th-cam.com/video/X2AonCpb0Qw/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the tips. I’ll order what I need and follow your lead.
and when you have the doors hooked back inside you can use the shockcord to hang socks kind of like patchouli for hikers also repels bears probably
You are right! I do use them as clothes lines and forgot to mention it.
Great set-up and video. I'm looking at Dyneema tarps with doors to replace my basic hex tarp. May I ask why you went with the HG tarp vs. the Dutchware tarp ? Is there a size difference ?
I think when I bought it (a couple years ago) Hammock Gear had the largest and I don’t believe Dutchware had a dyneema tarp at that time. As of now, the Hammock Gear Palace tarp is wider at 10’ 4” while the Dutchware Winter Tarp is 8’ 6 inches. For winter I definitely wanted a wider tarp. If o had to choose now I would still go with the Hammock Gear because of the size difference. Now that is comparing dyneema to dyneema. Dutchware has a wider sil nylon tarp at 11’ 6”.
@@backpackingadventures4813 Thanks for taking the time to respond. I think I'm going to buy a Dyneema tarp with doors some time in the next couple months. I guess I'll need to weigh out width vs. price.
@@backpackingadventures4813 I ended up ordering the HG 12' Dyneema palace tarp in camo. Can't wait for it to arrive. Thanks again for the video.
@@SmithFarmTilton it is a great all around tarp for warm and winter months. You will love it! 👍
Tarp on the hammock suspension is the fastest deployment, keep it snakeskinned when not in use.
Do you find the Dyneema makes it hotter under the tarp than other fabrics? Like, uncomfortably hot??
I’m thinking about pulling the trigger on a HG model.
I’ve been using them for a few years and have never noticed any increase in heat. But I would think it could get hot if sitting in direct sunlight with the doors closed. The greenhouse affect.
I just wanna know how you got it packed down so tiny in the thumbnail. My winter palace in snakeskin barely goes back in the stuffsack it came in. I end out making a swiss roll out of it and putting in the top of my pack instead of even using the stuff sack. I wonder if since mine's camo dcf it might be a thicker material than the white dcf making a difference. 🤔
I’m not sure about the camo vs the green but it makes sense because the camo is heavier so maybe more bulky too. I didn’t really think mine packed down all that small considering my silpoly tarps pack down much smaller. As far as how I pack it. I kind of fold/roll it. I pack it up while it’s hanging. I grab a corner and start rolling it and keep going pretty tightly. As I roll it I keep pulling the snake skin over it until it’s in it. Then I fold it in half with the two ends with my ridge line attached and have them side by side. I then take the folded end and start to fold/roll it starting with about 6-8 inch fold. Then keep rolling/folding in and pressing it to my chest to compress it. I keep doing that until I have the ends with the ridge line. Then I take the ridge line and wrap it around the folder/rolled bundle. I wrap each time tightly which compresses it even more. This allows me to pack it it the stuff sack with a lot of extra room and I put my bag of stakes and line and my ground sheet in it. All fit easily. I hope this helps.
@Backpacking Adventures yeah, mine just won't pack that small. I love the tarp, but my daughters xenon winter tarp packs to literally nothing beside mine.
@@j817madi I also have a xenon bonded winter tarp and it packs down much much smaller then my palace tarp. It’s heavier but definitely takes up less space.
Great video. I really liked your trekking pole hack - great idea. Would be good if you showed a little closer view/ detail on how you tied them in.
Also, I got the Chill Gorilla 12 ft tarp with doors that is similar to your palace tarp. It is silnylon and weighs about 7 or 8 oz more but was under $100 and was a better fit for my budget.