You totally miss Dean Martins real torment and crushing tragic event. When he lost his son Deano he fell into an inconsolable depression from which he would never fully recover.
In my humble opinion,, Scorsese is absolutely the only one of the Hollywood Elite that could give the project the authenticity such an Iconic representation of the era requires.I don't think Coppola could pull it off.
I spent much of my teenage years and early adulthood keeping up on the news of this biopic, every rumor, every interview or commentary, barely able to wait for it to come out. I eventually understood that it would never come to be, but didn't understand why. Thank you so, so much for this video essay, it finally shed light on the history of such a complex project!
Big part is the current music world is made up of guitar players with no talent. I'm 85 & long for the musical talents of the past to happen again. Alas!
This video was made so well, I came across it by accident and didn't plan to watch the entire thing-but watched the entire thing because it was so interesting. Good Job!
Well, personally I think priorities are all screwed up. There should be a documentary on Gershwin. And I think the kids need to learn what Gershwin was about. And I think they would want to once they got into hearing his addictive scores in styles. I think we might have a whole new bunch of kids wanting to learn to compose and play piano. Well, that's my two cents on the subject.
Just masterful work here, the interviews, particularly the Ellison piece, to me after watching this several times, in some ways I've seen the rough cut of the film! And also seen clearly why the film can only be a film of the mind. There is no movie here, far too complex. For either Dino or Frank. And the book on Dino is really a masterpiece.
Dean's life is so deep and complex etc. I don't know how anyone could pull it off to do it justice. I am sure Scorsese feels the same way! Dean was not an easy person to figure out. He didn't cry to the press about his life life like Frank did, he was more private. However the book they are referencing is very good but Dean had nothing to do with it as he had checked out after his son died. Very sad ending for Dean but he was and is the King of Cool and always will be. RIP Dean!
DiCaprio would be great as Sinatra, especially because of us knowing how good he is at portraying real-life people. He also 'kind of' resembled Sinatra in The Wolf of Wall Street.
Tripleblade 82 Scorsese did say that if he were to make the picture, that the actor would be (realistically) lip syncing over his voice, since no one comes close to him in terms of his singing voice.
This sounds very much like what happened with Bohemian Rhapsody. Sacha Baron Cohen wanted to make a film about something, but as Queen were the producers they insisted on a watered down film for a mass audience of people who just wanted to bop their heads to the songs. This is why biopics shouldn't be produced by their subjects or people with a financial interest in them.
The biopic should be the celebration of the legend singer and not to humiliated the passed singer..It should be remembered the music he made and how he became famous as musician
@@daisyperegrino6380 Either's valid. But both Scorsese's Sinatra and SBC's Queen film would have been interesting in having an outsider examine this for the human interest and insight. Otherwise you get what's basically a filmed concert. Fine if you want that, but not if you don't.
This is the first video by this channel I've seen, and I have got to say I am seriously impressed. This is so well done, perfectly narrated, deeply researched and highly entertaining and educational. Great great job.
@Tripleblade 82 According to the producer yeah, but I don't think that would have actually been true with the public. Not many people these days really know or care about Jimmy Hoffa, and yet the Irishman is a huge deal currently. If the film has a stellar cast, director...etc, that will sell it.
@Tripleblade 82 You raise good points. I do think a good story brought to life by great filmmakers is often enough though. Hacksaw Ridge is another one that comes to mind as a true story that was screen-worthy even though Desmond T. Doss wasn't a household name. There are others. I'll also admit my bias in that I'd love to see Scorsese's Gershwin movie 😊.
@Tripleblade 82 Same! There's a Scorsese film festival happening at TIFF here now in Toronto and I'm hoping to get a chance to see at least one or two of the classics on the big screen.
Don't know whether anyone here has seen it, but the French biopic "Gainsbourg" (2011) tackles a similar icon with considerable style. It sidesteps the music problem mentioned here (i.e. do you re-record famous songs or have the actor mime to the original recordings) in a highly creative manner by not actually going there: you *hear* the original recordings on the soundtrack, behind other action, but you don't see an actor pretending to sing them. Two actors play the man himself: a child for the very early years, and an adult actor with an uncanny resemblance to the man to portray him throughout his adult years. It takes a very surreal, almost Gilliam-esque, approach to the material, depicting Gainsbourg in dialog with a literal embodiment of his "personal demons" - externalised internal monologue, if you will. It's well worth a watch. I'm not a major Serge Gainsbourg fan - I like the Melody Nelson album, but that and Je t'aime were all I really knew of his work - but I watched the film on a friend's recommendation and unexpectedly enjoyed the heck out of it. Anyway, it seems to solve many of the same problems mentioned here with trying to make a biopic that covers the broad sweep of an iconic performer's life. I'm sure that at least some of its creative solutions would also work for a Sinatra biopic :)
Alex Beck's narration always reminded me of the documentaries of the old James Bond making of videos in their DVDs. it's uncannily similar tone. Keep him, he's a treasure.
If it had been made, I could so imagine Scorsese including the following, which actually happened in real life: Sinatra had got Peter Lawford to come to his estate and stay over, and to bring President John F Kennedy. Lawford was married to JFK's sister. Sinatra was so excited by the visit that he spent loads on getting everything right, even down to having a Helipad built, just so JFK could fly in, un-noticed. Then as the big day approached, Lawford phoned Sinatra to say that The President wouldn't be coming, because his people had decided Sinatra was too unsuitable to be associated with, due to his Mafia connections. Sinatra's response after the call, was to take a sledgehammer to the Helipad, smashing it to pieces in ferocious anger.
I always felt sorry for Peter Lawford. He was in an untenable position of being the messenger, whom everyone blames for bad news. Both Sinatra and the Kennedys used him, but neither respected him.
@@suki44883 The two biggest mistakes Peter Lawford made were marrying into the Kennedy family and taking up with Frank Sinatra. Peter paid a heavy price for his few years of glory as JFK's plenipotentiary to the girls of Hollywood and thrower of clandestine parties at his Santa Monica beach house. Dominick Dunne, who lived a couple of houses away from Lawford at the time and liked him, thought so.
I’ve been wanting to see the Sinatra film for so long 😭 I’ve been in a lot of pain today - but watching this for the first time I didn’t think about it once. Thanks so much 🙏
Antonio' Sabato jr. Would have been the ideal actor to play Sinatra. Identical smile, and look, a huge opportunity for Antonio to have the biggest comeback of all times as an actor
This would be the greatest movie of all time...Imagine you have the Ed Sullivan show open up the film, we see Leonardo DiCaprio play Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, we get appearances of Marilyn Monroe, the rest of the Ray pack... There’s mafia scenes involved. Lots of heavy smoking and drinking involved.. Tons of celebrity appearances. It would be the perfect film.
I own the "All or Nothing At All" Sinatra documentary ...it provides a thorough bio of SInatra at over 3 hrs. For those who don't know of it, check it out
Watched it last night. Fantastic gripping viewing.. his music interspersed with the story of life was brilliant. Has heightened my interest in sinatra's life and career..
I think the longer this dragged on, and the more the family wanted a ‘friendly’ version of the story... Scorsese probably said this has become a made for TV biopic
As I always say, what do you call a hundred Hollywood and Nashville producers at the bottom of a lake? A good, if hardly adequate start. It is obscene that these three films were kept from us.
@supervoid... the only word i can say.. thanks!! our more closed friends always talk about "the movie never make".. please continue.. amazing job.. and more important .. with the heart;)
Frank Sinatra was an amazing entertainer, devout father, loyal friend, humanitarian, passionate civil rights advocate, and one HELLUVA gentlemen when it came to the women he cared for. That's all respectable, but then again, he DID hang around with the Mafia. I know he was raised around them and that they ran all the places he performed at, so it was near impossible to avoid them, bu the fact that he did favours for, and ADMIRED a bunch of thieves, killers, extortionists and human traffickers does say quite a lot about him. I think the film just needed to explore his childhood and how he was raised, showing how the people who brought him up helped influence his point of view on the world, and how all this stuff the mob did was just sorta normal to him. Martin Scorsese is a MASTER at exploring the morality of criminals and how they live with their guilt, so he wouldve been able to pull of Sinatra in a way that would've been intriguing, compelling, and endearing, doing a great character study that explored the good, bad and evil of Frank. Even then, showing all the bad things that Sinatra got up to would certainly cause controversy and make a lot of people unsure of what to think of him, but when you have a life that was as interesting as Sinatra's, that NEEDS to be part of it, a Sinatra biopic should make people lose respect for Frank in many ways, but find more for him in many others.
I wanna see y'all's take on the cancelled Batman movies, the cancelled 80s American Godzilla movie, George Miller's cancelled Justice League Mortal movie, and the original Queen/Freddie Mercury biopic.
Cast: Tom Cruise as Frank Sinatra Eddie Reymayne as Dean Martin Morgan Freeman as Sammy Davis Jr Margot Robbie as Ava Gardner Brendan Gleeson as Jerry Lewis Director: Doug Liman Distributed by Universal Pictures/Columbia Pictures A Universal Picture or A Universal Release!
It pisses me off that he axed that project. My favorite filmmaker and my favorite performer, that would have a movie for the ages. It’s a shame though.
Dennis hopper had a fairly good go as an older sinatra in "the night we called it a day"a 2003 Australian film about the catastrophic Australia tour of 1974.not a classic by any means,but worth a watch.
He dont got the voice or the Italian look... I always though Eric Roberts would play a great Dino. He plays mobster Sal Maroni in The Dark Knight. Check him out...
An interesting story. Thank you. Personally, for many reasons, I liked Frank Sinatra & much admire him on his loyalty quality. But loved Dean Martin for knowing himself, being who he was & his honesty, sincerity to himself and others. They’re great men.. in their own way. Will always be remembered.
Nice piece. I wish Hollywood would make itself useful, and do an accurate remake of The Grapes of Wrath. I believe it’s something Americans need to rediscover. On Sinatra, sometimes it’s better to not know all facets of your heroes.
The FS project is The One That Got Away from Martin. As to could have played him, Harry Connick Jnr could have done a decent attempt when he was younger, but the older version of FS would have proved problematic. No current actor of note has FS's physical characteristics. Even LDC would find that role a tough fit. The only way Martin could have achieved that feat is to cast a completely unknown actor.
I have no idea why I clicked on this video, but I'm sure glad I did. This is one of the most intriguing video I've seen in a long time, not even sure why, but I was sad that it was so soon over. Heh
Very interesting, I thought Martin was handled quite well in Rat Pack, at least at an introductory level if you did not know a whole lot about him. It would have been very interesting to see Scorsese do this of course.
My conspiracy theory is this: they've already been shooting footage for this Scorsese/DiCaprio Sinatra movie. And as Leo ages, they shoot scenes based on Sinatra's age. Think Linklater's movie Boyhood, or the Sunset trilogy. Scorsese is not unfamiliar with depicting a characters lifespan throughout decades of its life, as seen in The Aviator, The Departed and The Irishman. So in, like, 15 years, we get to see this gigantic masterpiece of a film about the life of Frank Sinatra, and it will win all the awards in the world. The craftsmanship of director and actor and all involved will be recognized and Martin Scorsese will be hailed as the master filmmaker that he is for decades to come. As an old peaceful man than; Scorsese will die, and his last words will be: "Fuck Marvel."
Per Ry It’s an interesting theory but very unlikely. Scorsese likes to focus on just one film at a time, that’s why he pulled out as a producer on “Joker” so he could work solely on “The Irishman”.
I remember reading Talese’s stunning article. It was brilliant and insightful. Ol’ Blue Eyes would’ve done better giving the damn interview. Great to see this video. Sinatra was larger than life. Who’s of comparable stature these days? Stars are smaller now.
I think creating a Sinatra movie is just one of those damn near impossible things in life. You have to have an actor that's already established as genuinely suave, cool and has little hints of Sinatra mannerisms; rendering it unlikely.
As big as Sinatra was, he was a part of something bigger ‘the songbook’ should be the name of an episodic series of which would include all of the contributors over several generations. That way the characters’ stories could be told thoroughly, characters should recur over several episodes,and overlap in the form of duets,and important moments in American history. A series like that could not fail, regardless of ratings, because all the right people would support it. with all due respect, dubbing a voice over an actors voice is a bad idea.
DeCaprio as Sinatra Depp as Martin Carrey as Lewis Al Pacino as Jack Warner Giamatti as Bishop Cavill as Lawford Scarlett Johansson as Ava Gardener Jennifer Esposito as Nancy Sinatra Hanks as Tommy Dorsey January Jones as Barbara Sinatra Daisy Ridley as Mia Farrow Bring in a unknown as Sammy Davis, Jr. Any suggestions? Who would be JFK ? RFK? Marilyn ?
A 2 1/2 hour feature film is easily accomplishable, focusing on so many of his great songs, interspersed all throughout his years, just 1 minute segments for each song. So, you take only 30 of his best songs, that only means 1/2 hour of the whole movie. It may seem like a frantic pace to include so many songs, but, Frank's life was just a continuous frantic pace. He burnt himself out by the mid to late '60's, and, even with his 70's comeback, just got along on fumes after that. His demise in the '90's, and all that it entailed, will be great fodder for conjecture. A genius? Not by a long shot. He borrowed from the best, Bing Crosby. He mostly treated women like dirt or toys. He was majorly emotionally unstable, very OCD, and excessively consumed alcohol.
Any chance of doing a video on the many original scripts written by writers as diverse as John Landis and Anthony Burgess for The Spy Who Loved Me, before they went with Christopher Woods'?
The most entertaining, and convincing portrayal of Frank Sinatra, in later life has to be Dennis Hopper, in 'The Night We Called It A Day'. It's a great fun movie, based on Frank's controversial Australian tour in the 70s. Raymondo
Rohnan farrow would be the ideal young sinatra . Maybe cgi of the real sinatra, for the older version. Scorsese used this latter method in 'the irishman'
I see Ian Somerhalder as Frank Sinatra I see Leighton Meester as Ava Gardner I see Blake Lively as Nancy Sinatra i see Cameron Cuffe as Dean Martin I see Dylan Sprouse as Jerry Lewis
How about attempts to bring Cormac Mc Carthy's Blood Meridian to the screen? Also, wasn't there a rumor once upon a time that Tarantino was interested in bringing Gravity's Rainbow to the screen? Given how Tarantino loves making movies about movies and moving making, the premise of an audience in a cinema watching a film seems right up him street.
Too bad the Sinatra movie didn’t get made. He was bi-polar and the warts must show. His family wanted it strictly about his career. I can only imagine how good this film would’ve been especially using Frank’s voice in the hands of Scorsese..
need a fresh unknown because of the music, otherwise known actors would just now work, I bet they did some screen tests and figured that out quickly...the envelope is thin on this one.
So, does the statement at 10:52 by Tina Sinatra only refers to Scorsese and not Francis Ford Coppola? Maybe because Coppola works less prominently, but could it be residual anger at the Johnny Fontaine character in “The Godfather”?
David James Fair point about the retirement, my theory was that the Sinatra family may hold a grudge against Coppola because of the Johnny Fontaine character.
You totally miss Dean Martins real torment and crushing tragic event. When he lost his son Deano he fell into an inconsolable depression from which he would never fully recover.
Yeah, I was waiting for that but it never came.
Dino.
I know it’s dead, but I’ve always held out hope one day we’ll get Scorsese’s Sinatra film
In my humble opinion,, Scorsese is absolutely the only one of the Hollywood Elite that could give the project the authenticity such an Iconic representation of the era requires.I don't think Coppola could pull it off.
Or at least a film akin to it.
I'm very shocked this movie has not happened!! I would think scores easy would have the pole to get a movie like this done! 🤔🤔🤔 WHAT IF???
Well what do you know
@@emerald0010 buddy let’s gooooo
This video aged like fine wine
I spent much of my teenage years and early adulthood keeping up on the news of this biopic, every rumor, every interview or commentary, barely able to wait for it to come out. I eventually understood that it would never come to be, but didn't understand why. Thank you so, so much for this video essay, it finally shed light on the history of such a complex project!
Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it!
Dude, same.
@Frankie Ortiz Cool
His family didn't let Martin Scorsese do it.
Big part is the current music world is made up of guitar players with no talent. I'm 85 & long for the musical talents of the past to happen again. Alas!
When an artists' life so hectic even Martin himself finds it tricky. He truly did, have it his way. RIP Mr Sinatra.
Pleasw update this video! This one is so good! It will be even better now with a happier ending
Jim Carrey as Jerry Lewis is the best casting I've ever heard.
@Ben Labelle And for the British version of this message: Lee Evans as Norman Wisdom.
Same with Hanks as Dean Martin! =)
I had the exact same reaction. That could be Jim's Oscar.
It's not the best it's the most DUH!!!! casting ever. 😂😂😂😂
Tom Cruise as Frank Sinatra would be amazing
This video was made so well, I came across it by accident and didn't plan to watch the entire thing-but watched the entire thing because it was so interesting. Good Job!
Well, personally I think priorities are all screwed up. There should be a documentary on Gershwin. And I think the kids need to learn what Gershwin was about. And I think they would want to once they got into hearing his addictive scores in styles. I think we might have a whole new bunch of kids wanting to learn to compose and play piano. Well, that's my two cents on the subject.
Gershwin had character and integrity. Better role model than Franky.
If the movie had existed I would have seen Micheal Keaton in old Sinatra
Just masterful work here, the interviews, particularly the Ellison piece, to me after watching this several times, in some ways I've seen the rough cut of the film! And also seen clearly why the film can only be a film of the mind. There is no movie here, far too complex. For either Dino or Frank. And the book on Dino is really a masterpiece.
Dean's life is so deep and complex etc. I don't know how anyone could pull it off to do it justice. I am sure Scorsese feels the same way! Dean was not an easy person to figure out. He didn't cry to the press about his life life like Frank did, he was more private. However the book they are referencing is very good but Dean had nothing to do with it as he had checked out after his son died. Very sad ending for Dean but he was and is the King of Cool and always will be. RIP Dean!
You can't make films about these people. They're unique, and so much more impressive than anyone who could be cast to play them.
I think you are right !
DiCaprio would be great as Sinatra, especially because of us knowing how good he is at portraying real-life people. He also 'kind of' resembled Sinatra in The Wolf of Wall Street.
Tripleblade 82 Scorsese did say that if he were to make the picture, that the actor would be (realistically) lip syncing over his voice, since no one comes close to him in terms of his singing voice.
He has that Sinatra spark!
This sounds very much like what happened with Bohemian Rhapsody. Sacha Baron Cohen wanted to make a film about something, but as Queen were the producers they insisted on a watered down film for a mass audience of people who just wanted to bop their heads to the songs. This is why biopics shouldn't be produced by their subjects or people with a financial interest in them.
He would have been brilliant in it. Instead I can barely remember tha film
The biopic should be the celebration of the legend singer and not to humiliated the passed singer..It should be remembered the music he made and how he became famous as musician
@@daisyperegrino6380 Either's valid. But both Scorsese's Sinatra and SBC's Queen film would have been interesting in having an outsider examine this for the human interest and insight. Otherwise you get what's basically a filmed concert. Fine if you want that, but not if you don't.
Who here wants Scorcese to pick up the project again on Netflix?
Me
I do, but I hope he goes for a no-name actor. Dicaprio looks NOTHING like him.
Hugh Grant as Peter Lawford sounds interesting. It’s so sad that it is never going to get made.
This is the first video by this channel I've seen, and I have got to say I am seriously impressed. This is so well done, perfectly narrated, deeply researched and highly entertaining and educational. Great great job.
Thank you very much!
The way he describes the sinatra film storytelling timeline it sounds like what he did with the Irishman
It would be cool to have a Dean Martin movie as well as one on Sinatra
Day Lewis and Hanks as the Gershwin brothers? How did this not happen?
No doubt eh.
@Tripleblade 82 According to the producer yeah, but I don't think that would have actually been true with the public. Not many people these days really know or care about Jimmy Hoffa, and yet the Irishman is a huge deal currently. If the film has a stellar cast, director...etc, that will sell it.
@Tripleblade 82 You raise good points. I do think a good story brought to life by great filmmakers is often enough though. Hacksaw Ridge is another one that comes to mind as a true story that was screen-worthy even though Desmond T. Doss wasn't a household name. There are others. I'll also admit my bias in that I'd love to see Scorsese's Gershwin movie 😊.
@Tripleblade 82 Same! There's a Scorsese film festival happening at TIFF here now in Toronto and I'm hoping to get a chance to see at least one or two of the classics on the big screen.
@Tripleblade 82 I'll go with Goodfellas. Might be a typical answer but it's a giant for a reason. Yours?
Don't know whether anyone here has seen it, but the French biopic "Gainsbourg" (2011) tackles a similar icon with considerable style.
It sidesteps the music problem mentioned here (i.e. do you re-record famous songs or have the actor mime to the original recordings) in a highly creative manner by not actually going there: you *hear* the original recordings on the soundtrack, behind other action, but you don't see an actor pretending to sing them.
Two actors play the man himself: a child for the very early years, and an adult actor with an uncanny resemblance to the man to portray him throughout his adult years.
It takes a very surreal, almost Gilliam-esque, approach to the material, depicting Gainsbourg in dialog with a literal embodiment of his "personal demons" - externalised internal monologue, if you will.
It's well worth a watch. I'm not a major Serge Gainsbourg fan - I like the Melody Nelson album, but that and Je t'aime were all I really knew of his work - but I watched the film on a friend's recommendation and unexpectedly enjoyed the heck out of it.
Anyway, it seems to solve many of the same problems mentioned here with trying to make a biopic that covers the broad sweep of an iconic performer's life. I'm sure that at least some of its creative solutions would also work for a Sinatra biopic :)
A SERIOUS biopic about Sinatra will probably not be able to be made, as long as his relatives are still alive.
Your video essays are fascinating. Keep them coming; always look forward to them.
Alex Beck's narration always reminded me of the documentaries of the old James Bond making of videos in their DVDs. it's uncannily similar tone. Keep him, he's a treasure.
The question is: Will we have a Frank Sinatra biopic under NETFLIX? Hopefully we will we have.
If it had been made, I could so imagine Scorsese including the following, which actually happened in real life: Sinatra had got Peter Lawford to come to his estate and stay over, and to bring President John F Kennedy. Lawford was married to JFK's sister. Sinatra was so excited by the visit that he spent loads on getting everything right, even down to having a Helipad built, just so JFK could fly in, un-noticed.
Then as the big day approached, Lawford phoned Sinatra to say that The President wouldn't be coming, because his people had decided Sinatra was too unsuitable to be associated with, due to his Mafia connections. Sinatra's response after the call, was to take a sledgehammer to the Helipad, smashing it to pieces in ferocious anger.
The only reason I would watch Sinatra's biopic is to see the famous tantrums this man used to throw when he didn't get his way
@@amadapittaluga1487 Supposedly he dangled one person he had an argument with out of a helicopter in flight.
I always felt sorry for Peter Lawford. He was in an untenable position of being the messenger, whom everyone blames for bad news. Both Sinatra and the Kennedys used him, but neither respected him.
@@suki44883 The two biggest mistakes Peter Lawford made were marrying into the Kennedy family and taking up with Frank Sinatra. Peter paid a heavy price for his few years of glory as JFK's plenipotentiary to the girls of Hollywood and thrower of clandestine parties at his Santa Monica beach house. Dominick Dunne, who lived a couple of houses away from Lawford at the time and liked him, thought so.
I’ve been wanting to see the Sinatra film for so long 😭 I’ve been in a lot of pain today - but watching this for the first time I didn’t think about it once. Thanks so much 🙏
You should make a video on kubricks napoleon.
I keep trying to figure out a way to present the whole saga in less than 6 hours.
Supervoid Cinema make it a series
@@SupervoidCinema So did Kubrick!
@@SupervoidCinema you can't decide what to leave out...
@@SupervoidCinema not a problem for me...I'll watch it
Antonio' Sabato jr. Would have been the ideal actor to play Sinatra. Identical smile, and look, a huge opportunity for Antonio to have the biggest comeback of all times as an actor
This would be the greatest movie of all time...Imagine you have the Ed Sullivan show open up the film, we see Leonardo DiCaprio play Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, we get appearances of Marilyn Monroe, the rest of the Ray pack... There’s mafia scenes involved. Lots of heavy smoking and drinking involved.. Tons of celebrity appearances. It would be the perfect film.
I own the
"All or Nothing At All" Sinatra documentary ...it provides a thorough bio of SInatra at over 3 hrs. For those who don't know of it, check it out
Watched it last night. Fantastic gripping viewing.. his music interspersed with the story of life was brilliant. Has heightened my interest in sinatra's life and career..
Not a big Sinatra fan, but do admire the tonal quality of his voice. My favorite song by him: "What Is This Thing Called Love."
This was a fascinating watch! Extremely entertaining, especially Harlan Ellison's story!
Always good to see clips of Ellison, miss him and his great storytelling.
I think the longer this dragged on, and the more the family wanted a ‘friendly’ version of the story... Scorsese probably said this has become a made for TV biopic
You don't hire Scosese to direct a Sinatra family approved biopic. You hire McG.
As I always say, what do you call a hundred Hollywood and Nashville producers at the bottom of a lake? A good, if hardly adequate start. It is obscene that these three films were kept from us.
This was not only interesting but well edited. Keep up the good work!
This looks like it could've been fantastic with the director and the cast.
Great video. Hopefully this film will eventually be made.
Please continue making these pieces. They are so entertaining!
I definitely intend to, thanks a lot for watching!
Your work is well researched and presented. You need far more exposure. I normally never like but in your case I must.
@supervoid... the only word i can say.. thanks!! our more closed friends always talk about "the movie never make".. please continue.. amazing job.. and more important .. with the heart;)
I am impressed by Ellison’s ability to tell a story and articulate the components.
Frank Sinatra was an amazing entertainer, devout father, loyal friend, humanitarian, passionate civil rights advocate, and one HELLUVA gentlemen when it came to the women he cared for. That's all respectable, but then again, he DID hang around with the Mafia. I know he was raised around them and that they ran all the places he performed at, so it was near impossible to avoid them, bu the fact that he did favours for, and ADMIRED a bunch of thieves, killers, extortionists and human traffickers does say quite a lot about him.
I think the film just needed to explore his childhood and how he was raised, showing how the people who brought him up helped influence his point of view on the world, and how all this stuff the mob did was just sorta normal to him. Martin Scorsese is a MASTER at exploring the morality of criminals and how they live with their guilt, so he wouldve been able to pull of Sinatra in a way that would've been intriguing, compelling, and endearing, doing a great character study that explored the good, bad and evil of Frank.
Even then, showing all the bad things that Sinatra got up to would certainly cause controversy and make a lot of people unsure of what to think of him, but when you have a life that was as interesting as Sinatra's, that NEEDS to be part of it, a Sinatra biopic should make people lose respect for Frank in many ways, but find more for him in many others.
Very good video. Super interesting. Big thumb up. Thank you for your time and work.
Such a great video. Seriously I love the way you cut this together.
I wanna see y'all's take on the cancelled Batman movies, the cancelled 80s American Godzilla movie, George Miller's cancelled Justice League Mortal movie, and the original Queen/Freddie Mercury biopic.
Super Hero stuff needs to rest the genre for about 10 years ....so overdone.
@Funk O'Matic You can't avoid the hype of a movie even by not going to see it.
I just think the genre is overdone. I realize it's a ratings game until the profits fall.
Cast:
Tom Cruise as Frank Sinatra
Eddie Reymayne as Dean Martin
Morgan Freeman as Sammy Davis Jr
Margot Robbie as Ava Gardner
Brendan Gleeson as Jerry Lewis
Director: Doug Liman
Distributed by Universal Pictures/Columbia Pictures
A Universal Picture or A Universal Release!
It pisses me off that he axed that project. My favorite filmmaker and my favorite performer, that would have a movie for the ages. It’s a shame though.
A quest! Would like to see a biopic on George Gershwin also!
Dennis hopper had a fairly good go as an older sinatra in "the night we called it a day"a 2003 Australian film about the catastrophic Australia tour of 1974.not a classic by any means,but worth a watch.
i would love a sinatra film dude
Dam Hanks can't play every thing he would have been terrible as dean Martin
Hahahahaha . yes.
I think he could have played him to be fair
He dont got the voice or the Italian look... I always though Eric Roberts would play a great Dino. He plays mobster Sal Maroni in The Dark Knight. Check him out...
Hanks is too much of a wimp to play Martin. Adam Sandler can play Jerry Lewis...Hello Ladyyyyyyy !
Goddamn I hope this happens one day.
An interesting story. Thank you.
Personally, for many reasons, I liked Frank Sinatra & much admire him on his loyalty quality. But loved Dean Martin for knowing himself, being who he was & his honesty, sincerity to himself and others.
They’re great men.. in their own way. Will always be remembered.
I wouldn't have trusted Ellison to tell me if it was raining outside, but the story is fun.
Clooney, not Hanks, for Dino role.
Nice piece.
I wish Hollywood would make itself useful, and do an accurate remake of The Grapes of Wrath. I believe it’s something Americans need to rediscover.
On Sinatra, sometimes it’s better to not know all facets of your heroes.
Kelly Hudson
Couldn't agree with you more .
Elizabeth F Thank you
Ya'll need to do the LONG DEVELOPMENT HELL of Janis Joplin Biopic
The FS project is The One That Got Away from Martin.
As to could have played him, Harry Connick Jnr could have done a decent attempt when he was younger,
but the older version of FS would have proved problematic. No current actor of note has FS's physical
characteristics. Even LDC would find that role a tough fit.
The only way Martin could have achieved that feat is to cast a completely unknown actor.
I have no idea why I clicked on this video, but I'm sure glad I did. This is one of the most intriguing video I've seen in a long time, not even sure why, but I was sad that it was so soon over. Heh
Very interesting, I thought Martin was handled quite well in Rat Pack, at least at an introductory level if you did not know a whole lot about him. It would have been very interesting to see Scorsese do this of course.
Di Caprio as Sinatra
Tom Hardy as Dean Martin
Kelvin Hart as Sammy Davis Jr
Margot Robbie as Ava Gardner
Bill Hader as Jerry Lewis
Tom Cruise as Frank Sinatra
My conspiracy theory is this: they've already been shooting footage for this Scorsese/DiCaprio Sinatra movie. And as Leo ages, they shoot scenes based on Sinatra's age. Think Linklater's movie Boyhood, or the Sunset trilogy. Scorsese is not unfamiliar with depicting a characters lifespan throughout decades of its life, as seen in The Aviator, The Departed and The Irishman.
So in, like, 15 years, we get to see this gigantic masterpiece of a film about the life of Frank Sinatra, and it will win all the awards in the world. The craftsmanship of director and actor and all involved will be recognized and Martin Scorsese will be hailed as the master filmmaker that he is for decades to come. As an old peaceful man than; Scorsese will die, and his last words will be: "Fuck Marvel."
Per Ry It’s an interesting theory but very unlikely. Scorsese likes to focus on just one film at a time, that’s why he pulled out as a producer on “Joker” so he could work solely on “The Irishman”.
Fan fiction
This is really fucking stupid. It's not 1990. The tech is there today to do this.
Shit this is exactly what I was thinking, get out of my head
@Just think he was the best part about that movie
Love it. Keep it coming. Love this channel
Tosches’ Dean Martin book is a great read. Highly recommended!
The prose style reminded me of a hard boiled detective story. Really fit the subject.
@@grayforester Tosches or Martin?
Alex Beck is my favourite Supervoid narrator. He brings a lecturer / directors commentary vibe .
I remember reading Talese’s stunning article. It was brilliant and insightful. Ol’ Blue Eyes would’ve done better giving the damn interview.
Great to see this video. Sinatra was larger than life. Who’s of comparable stature these days? Stars are smaller now.
I think creating a Sinatra movie is just one of those damn near impossible things in life. You have to have an actor that's already established as genuinely suave, cool and has little hints of Sinatra mannerisms; rendering it unlikely.
Daniel Craig lol
@@thamayor6324 Craig's cool, is bondesque and obviously he's already a type cast.
@@thamayor6324 it’s the blue eyes and low voice! Leo dicaprios attitude in Craig’s body would work well
Too bad he won't consider finding a talented look-a-like newbie who can act.
Keep up the great work! Your channel going to blow up soon
Harlin Ellison should start a TH-cam channel.
I could listen to him all day.
@Vlodec Nope, he passed away a couple years ago
th-cam.com/channels/1XrlRQsRxYfuc47CCJN05w.html
This is gonna sound egotistical and crazy..... But I swear on my life I could play Frank Sinatra and sing like him, hate me if you want
U should put a reel together.
As big as Sinatra was, he was a part of something bigger ‘the songbook’ should be the name of an episodic series of which would include all of the contributors over several generations. That way the characters’ stories could be told thoroughly, characters should recur over several episodes,and overlap in the form of duets,and important moments in American history. A series like that could not fail, regardless of ratings, because all the right people would support it. with all due respect, dubbing a voice over an actors voice is a bad idea.
From Gershwin to Dino to The Chairman...
I dunno about those other projects, but a docudrama/biopic of H.H. Holmes (a.k.a. Walter Mudget) sounds like one of the scariest movies ever! =)
So upset that this bio on FS is not going to happen. I was looking forward to it.
how do you even research this thing?! let alone produce 40+ minutes of it! Bravo! :)
I would of really liked seeing this movie. Another what if this were made movie to be losing sleep over lol.
Ronan Farrow should play Frank Sinatra.
@Funk O'Matic Yeah, no.
You hear about Sinatra possibly being Ronan's biological father?
@Funk O'Matic harry styles is gay too .
Have a listen to my goodself doing Fly me to the moon th-cam.com/video/OiGRASG3p7M/w-d-xo.html
@@fierro7771 that is why I am saying he would be perfect as he also looks exactly like him.
DeCaprio as Sinatra
Depp as Martin
Carrey as Lewis
Al Pacino as Jack Warner
Giamatti as Bishop
Cavill as Lawford
Scarlett Johansson as Ava Gardener
Jennifer Esposito as Nancy Sinatra Hanks as Tommy Dorsey
January Jones as Barbara Sinatra
Daisy Ridley as Mia Farrow
Bring in a unknown as Sammy Davis, Jr.
Any suggestions? Who would be JFK ? RFK? Marilyn ?
Lakeith Stanfield as sammy Davis
Love Johnny Depp As Dean Martin And Decaprio As Sinatra
This is so well done! Thank you!!
The studio guy didn't think there was enough modern interest in Gershwin . . . and he was EXACTLY RIGHT!!
A 2 1/2 hour feature film is easily accomplishable, focusing on so many of his great songs, interspersed all throughout his years, just 1 minute segments for each song. So, you take only 30 of his best songs, that only means 1/2 hour of the whole movie. It may seem like a frantic pace to include so many songs, but, Frank's life was just a continuous frantic pace. He burnt himself out by the mid to late '60's, and, even with his 70's comeback, just got along on fumes after that. His demise in the '90's, and all that it entailed, will be great fodder for conjecture. A genius? Not by a long shot. He borrowed from the best, Bing Crosby. He mostly treated women like dirt or toys. He was majorly emotionally unstable, very OCD, and excessively consumed alcohol.
How dare you say such things about a very great and generous man!
@@danmseattle975 That is so funny and appreciated.
I was very sad that the biopic of Leonard Bernstein with Jake Gyllenhaal fell through.
Any chance of doing a video on the many original scripts written by writers as diverse as John Landis and Anthony Burgess for The Spy Who Loved Me, before they went with Christopher Woods'?
Kubrick's Napoleon and Aryan Papers.... Tarantino's Casino Royale
Charan Tej Sergio Leone ... "STALINGRAD" ...
7:52 Jeremy Northam did a decent job playing Dino in 'Martin and Lewis', with Sean Hayes as Jerry Lewis, which focused on their partnership.
The most entertaining, and convincing portrayal of Frank Sinatra, in later life has to be Dennis Hopper, in 'The Night We Called It A Day'. It's a great fun movie, based on Frank's controversial Australian tour in the 70s. Raymondo
Hopper was good. I also think Philip Casnoff did a superb job in the Sinatra miniseries from 1992 about his life.
Rohnan farrow would be the ideal young sinatra . Maybe cgi of the real sinatra, for the older version. Scorsese used this latter method in 'the irishman'
I wonder why that is ! ;)
Great video, even greater now that the movie is finally happening
I see Ian Somerhalder as Frank Sinatra
I see Leighton Meester as Ava Gardner
I see Blake Lively as Nancy Sinatra
i see Cameron Cuffe as Dean Martin
I see Dylan Sprouse as Jerry Lewis
That was great !
Thank you.
How about attempts to bring Cormac Mc Carthy's Blood Meridian to the screen? Also, wasn't there a rumor once upon a time that Tarantino was interested in bringing Gravity's Rainbow to the screen? Given how Tarantino loves making movies about movies and moving making, the premise of an audience in a cinema watching a film seems right up him street.
I have a request: can you please do a video on another canceled Martin Scorsese film: THE DEPARTED 2.
Too bad the Sinatra movie didn’t get made. He was bi-polar and the warts must show. His family wanted it strictly about his career. I can only imagine how good this film would’ve been especially using Frank’s voice in the hands of Scorsese..
Hey, Marty still got time. (Read this with the heaviest Italo-American accent from New Jersey you can imagine.)
need a fresh unknown because of the music, otherwise known actors would just now work, I bet they did some screen tests and figured that out quickly...the envelope is thin on this one.
I can think of only 2 actors who could play Sinatra. Danny DeVito or Joe Pesci. Perfect
Pesci for sure
So, does the statement at 10:52 by Tina Sinatra only refers to Scorsese and not Francis Ford Coppola? Maybe because Coppola works less prominently, but could it be residual anger at the Johnny Fontaine character in “The Godfather”?
She said currently working.
David James
Coppola does still make films, not as frequently as Scorsese.
@@cremetangerine82 At that time he was retired. And I think it's fair to say that his later films are not as good or prestigious as Scorsese's.
David James
Fair point about the retirement, my theory was that the Sinatra family may hold a grudge against Coppola because of the Johnny Fontaine character.
@@cremetangerine82 Maybe so. Paramount actually asked Sinatra to play Don Vito. They made him an offer he could refuse.