All Australians have the right to visit National Parks that belong to all Australians. None of us love or know our country more than another. These laws depriving some Australians of this right are racist claptrap that never should have been enacted.
Im indigenous and I agree for the most part. However in the case of Uluru it is Private Property and Australians should be grateful for whatever access the people allow. Arguing and demanding access is no different than some Hippy Rabble Rousers out front of your house protesting and demanding access to your house. If you are going to argue Conservative Points then keep it consistent, you people flip flop and become Commie Trash the moment you dont get your own way. Case and Point: Some time ago Sky News and Andrew Bolt was condemning the Indigenous in NT who had discovered unauthorized Core Drilling happening on their Lands and all of you halfwits jumped on the bandwagon slandering the Indigenous while claiming the Mining Companies should be allowed free access to anywhere they want anytime. After some time a Legislation was Tabled to that effect and you all cheered and gave yourselves a pat on the back for a job well done. Within a week of that Legislation there were Farmers finding Mining Companies Core Drilling on their Properties and suddenly you all were like "Thats not fair, how dare the Mining Companies impose themselves!" .. how quickly you people flip flop like 5yr old children with no Reasoning and Logic You rail against things like Royalties while not having the slightest clue what you're even speaking about. Go ahead and remove Royalties, across the board.. and watch how quick Farmers tell the Gasd and El;ectrical Companies to pack their shit and get it off their Land. But when you say Abolish Royalties you only mean Blacks because you are incensed with Racial Hatred. The Hypocrisy from you people is just so glaring and you are unashamed of displaying it for all to see
"All Australians have the right..." Not anymore. They took that right from us while we were asleep at the wheel and waving gay pride flags and being welcomed to country
@@monyafeek101 Are you saying shit went down in Australian politics during COVID that a lot of people aren't aware about? Asking seriously, not sarcastic....
@@monyafeek101 Touché Just trying to understand what you meant by "...were asleep at the wheel and waving gay pride flags and being welcomed to country"?
We are always being told how wonderful the aboriginal culture is, all we seem to see of this culture is the tendency to ban anyone else from accessing our key natural wonders
All "natural wonders" were there for billions of years before the freeloaders arrived. Not like the grifters actually built, of cared, for anything, so I reckon they own nothing. The first migrants, from Indonesia, who lost their way and inadvertently arrived here, by mistake, in small groups, over tens of thousands of years, own nothing, because the built nothing. They lived in a stone age vacuum.
That's not Aboriginal culture. That's Aboriginal activist culture. :-( Time to get rid of the real source of division - the activists. Time to take back what they deceived our government out of, stolen from both us AND Aboriginal people, and mange it responsibly - because they've proven for decades now they never will.
The $346,000 fine gets paid to who? Its time for a referendum on native title. This is selfish, wrong, so totally not about Australia. Our crown land, our common land is for ALL Australians, ALL to share. That's the definition of Inclusion.
@suzang1213.........Most places in the world would be glad if we were all equal.. This doesn't seem to suit Aborigines. They want more, then more and more ad infinitum ad nausea. When equality isn't good enough, it's time to get tough!
@@JoyMartin-rk4pm what does equality even mean? After all we are all different in our own unique ways. Is an apple equal to an orange? The absurdity of such comparisons is just uniquely idiotic!
I'm glad that I've seen, hiked and climbed in the Grampians. What a pity that an elite group has now invoked Apartheid in this spectacular region of what what was once our country.
There are many things that I used to be able to do but no longer. The best Australia had to offer is well behind us now. Some of the loss of freedom comes from an increase in population. But that is only the tip of the iceberg. Unfortunately if people do not enjoy using our state parks and national parks then they won't vote to provide money to even keep them. The long term will be the loss of environment and habitat and the parks themselves. Perhaps not in my lifetime. It is a consequence of "use it or lose it". I.e. if something ISN'T used it WILL be lost.
It IS our country. Don't let their emotional blackmailing brainwashing even make you think otherwise: it's like a cancer - it spreads! And it has NO reality whatsoever - that's the truly horrifying part.
There are massive vertical cliffs and areas in the Grampians that cannot be climbed without specialist climbing gear (except perhaps by highly skilled elite climbers). There is no way aboriginals ever climbed these cliffs. The climbers are really the first people to ever do so - they are the first humans to ever touch the rocks and cliff faces. The climbers should claim the cliffs as sacred sites and declare themselves First Nations peoples on these sites. Old rusty pegs, etc driven into the rock are "sacred relics". What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
When was the last time it was used for cultural purposes?,I bet it's probably 100 years or more, bullshit excuse to shut places down when they don't use it anymore
There really doesn’t seem to be much aboriginal cultural heritage. Certainly not compared to the amount of heritage in England or any other old world country.
What cultural heritage? Tribe on tribe and stone age cultures? Couldn't count, no written record, no tools, no structures, no buildings, no stone structures....
Tbf Europeans did try to wipe out those cultural traditions to tane the "Savage beast" so to speak, also think of them as cosmic people where nature itself is the culture. No this isn't advocating for banning climbing on rocks.
@@allanmckenzie5961 like the wind farms festooning the hills far and wide with plans for more off shore... or solar farms covering vast swathes of land... to huge unmarked propeller graveyards... don't make me laugh with the "natural environment" bs. green policies ruin the environment as readily as regular policies do. but the greens like to lie about it, and claim the moral high ground. liars.
@@creditelectric it would be nice if people could go out into nature with a mature level of respect and appreciation. doesn't change my prior points. it should be our right to go where we want on our land. and environmentalism activism results in toxic conclusions.
Half the country is already subject to land claims and in a lot of cases based on nothing more than an application of the local land council. No cultural heritage or significance.. Just that they can.. these areas are then locked up away or sold off, benefitting generally only the family members linked to the Land Council. Don’t you worry, any public land, in particular any of value is subject to, or eyed off by Aboriginal Land Councils, with full support of the government.. And if you think it won’t effect the inner city or “affluent” areas, remember the attempted claim on the park at Balmoral beach. And fines for destroying a rock.. really.. Anyone been out west of NSW where there are paddocks of empty VB cans and rubbish as far as the eye can see..
Don't you understand the significance of the paddocks of empty VB cans and rubbish? That's the future sacred sites! Future generations will marvel at the culture that drank so much and dumped so much crap everywhere!
I can’t relate to Australia becoming so authoritarian during covid and now after. Once you give these control happy bureaucrats a foothold it becomes ridiculously hard to get your freedoms back.
Is about $4000 each, every taxpayer. That is a nice holiday in Thailand for 2 weeks in a resort. And is going to get worse never ending schemes cooked up for money and more awareness schemes.
I'm a New zealander, I visited the Grampians in 1989 , I remember the elephant hide , a beautiful place, as I recall John Clarke died of a heart attack on a trail there. Everyone should be able to enjoy nature wherever it is , something needs to be done about this unfair situation.
I stood out on the Jaws of Death when I was 14 back in 1982. Looking way down on the tops of tall trees below that fell away to the bottom. It was a beautiful sight. But that Jaw is long gone. A lot of us dodged a bullet standing out on that. Makes me shudder sometimes. We got to our lodge at the Grampians late at night so we never seen it going in. But next morning in the daylight it was like we were in the mouth of a giant beast looking out. The Grampians are like our Grand Canyon in a way...
@@gecko-sb1kp A very high vertical drop cliff ledge that my family sea fished off since the 1920's , or even earlier , was no longer there when I went fishing one day in 1984.
"Everyone should be able to enjoy nature wherever it is" and why is that? Doesn't nature need protection, aren't wilderness areas important to the planent just for their own sake? Protected from human encroachment. Entitlement to destroy? It's because of people like you the world is sick, in a very bad place. We should be happy and content that parts of the planet are safe for their own sakes.
@@equestanton1017Stay in your pram. Most people dont want to go to these places anyway, so impact is minimal. I'm part of nature, and I'll do what I want .
We voted no because we agreed we're all Australians, ONE people. So it's time to reverse all handovers to Aboriginal land councils. Why should 55% of the dirt, rocks, water and other resources belong to only a few %? Cancel all their government funding to impoverish them for a start. Next investigate, uncover enough dirty laundry to designate them criminal organizations (since in spirit they already are) and thus we take it all back under the proceeds of crime laws.
Hear, hear! I want to know where their proof of 'ownership' is? There's never been, since Australia was federated, ANY deed of transfer passing Australian land into total control of the aborigines.
@thepeadair I bought my land, worked hard to pay it off and I pay a lot of tax. I did not dispossess anyone, rather through paying taxes I am enabling this divisive crap to continue by partially funding it. Government should be listening to the majority not the fringe. We all are Australian and they already control 50-60%. Where is the fairness to non indigenous people here, come on. Grow up.
@@thepeadairGrow up, you would have to be from the inner city with a bs statement like that. If that's your thinking name one country in this world where they were not settled in the same way. Continue to oppress, 3000 plus orgs & near $40 billion a year tell me again how oppressed they are. The only ones oppressing them are the orgs that are supposed to be working for them. Audit time.
Australia is a secular country. All this belief system with indigenous people is there religion. It should be recognised but not allowed to control what we do. The Left argue Christianity should not control our lives, how come they support this religion having such powers. One flag, one vote.
They try to eliminate the fact that a CHRISTIAN nation founded Australia and has provided UNTOLD support, help and FINANCES to them - in the BILLIONS - for over a century! It's time they woke up and started being GRATEFUL for what they were given. I don't see how they would have survived if the Australian governments hadn't done all they have done for them - but they want EVERYTHING under their control and in their bank accounts. The insanity HAS to be STOPPED. I mean, come on - this ISN'T according to the Constitutional rights of 97% of the country!! Why is it even being ALLOWED? When is the Law going to step in?
While its nice this issue has gotten some exposure, they really did tiptoe around the crux of the problem. Turns out climbers and bush walkers aren't paying customers. There has been a push for years now to monetize our Australian national parks including the Grampians and aboriginal heritage is a great excuse to evict the "undesirables". People will happily pay big bucks to go on guided walks where they don't have to carry any gear, sleep in fancy bungalows and eat chef prepared meals. Less than a minute of googling found a 7 day Grampians guided walk which visits all the main peaks for $3245. Just follow the money.
How else do you expect the parks to be cleaned, trails to be maintained and people like you expelled. Sometimes natural places need to exist just for their own sakes and need protection. Humans have over run the planet like roaches. There is hardly any virgin planent left undisturbed. What is it that people like you cannot understand. Entitlment is what it is about pure and simple. Organised guided restricted use that gives back to park preservation is suited to areas of high interest. Some world heritage sites have been totaly destroyed by the unrestricted human entitlment, do you want the same for Australian heritage sites natural and cultural? Welcome to the what was The Great Barrier Reef. A vast death bed of biodiversity, all thats left is picking through the bones. Such is Australian collective cognitive dissonance that they are unable to even recognise it's already dead.
How long before we are outlawed from fishing, mountain biking, hiking, camping, even photography and all under “cultural heritage” ? Rules being made by nameless bureaucrats who have no public accountability !
I absolutely do not feel part of society in the least, I'm stuck in it, I need to negotiate through it, but I am absolutely not a part of it, I doubt I'm the only one.
not alone, I've been broken away from the wider world for about a decade now, this world is burning and bloodied, i have no interest in fixing it for others and nobody cares to fix life for me,that's just fine.
This is disunity. They want this. They want you to want it. It’s how they get everything they want for cheap after it all falls to ruin at the hands of incompetence. As PAINFUL as it is, the cure isn’t apathy or disillusionment. The fix IS unity. The more we strive for unity the harder it will be for them to rip up the country for their benefit and profit. The rich POS batards who will make a killing off all this hate your guts and everything about you right down to what you look like. Giving in is giving them everything they ever wanted.
I have had enough of this nonsense. If the NO vote meant anything, it meant we are all Australians sharing this land. The politicians and public servants work for us. They have special rights over national parks that the rest of us don't have. The reason that they are national parks is so everyone can enjoy them. They are not preserved for a special few. Honestly, I am rapidly losing sympathy for the aboriginal cause. They have become completely intolerant. (now let the hating begin)
@helenzass411 I believe the trend for being born here goes back 40K years, so yes, we born here, our people born here before colonialism, means we too are indigenous.
It’s fantastic that we live in a country were we are all equal. Although some it appears are more equal than others. These parks have been being closed for a long time under the guise that we are preserving them for our CHILDREN, when these children are old enough to enjoy these parks they are told ITS FOR YOUR CHILDREN that these parks are being preserved. Three weeks ago, a couple of the original custodians of this country after enjoying some hamburgers, casually threw the containers on the ground in a car park . Someone not so original asked them could they see their way clear enough to put them in the available bin provided . The result, quote, we own this country, we can do as we like. After which the person who asked the question was accosted a.k.a assaulted by the same caretakers. Thank goodness that the NO vote came up, as the YES vote would put us on the same path as the South African country which is on a downward spiral and from what I read is becoming a basket case.
But the welcome to country states that we are most welcome to enjoy the parks and waterways, thats until we are not and cop a 346k fine it's unbelievable, I and many other Australians will refuse to abide with these indigenous rules, thank god we got the no vote or maybe we would be forced off our own properties, it's a joke and the rest of the world is laughing
@stevewynter4519.... I agree, but I can't help thinking that if the voice won, people would not just sit there and have their homes taken. Nearly everyone owns a home, even the renters, well, that house is owned by someone.. I think that would have pushed us too far and then we might have had the civil unrest we need to quell this s B.S (I am a no voter).
You can't take my property. I have a spiritual space goanna that sleeps here. (Frack me, Gooble can't even spell Goanna. So sick of BS fact check spell check BS. Ill write whatever I want.) Sorry, had to add that rant in there.
Given that we (the public) are ostensibly banned from these parks, they need to lose the term “National” from their title. Unless of course they’re going to change the definition of National which is absolutely possible these days.
Here we go....the genie is out of the bottle now. One minute you’re going for a bush walk, the next you’re getting a 300K fine for walking on a supposed sacred site. WTF
@@MichaelIrwin-j3m..... That can soon change, and I think it would have if the voice won and they came after our homes. Millions more home owners than politicians and aborigines put together.
Parking on the side of the road has lead to a threatening letter and a visit to the home to intimate the people there, that they need to be questioned by ‘First Nations State Victoria’ ……….it is being reported that the $300,000 + fines are for entering the area. How does that sit with you @EricaMTB?
i can understand art or paintings or whatever, but a rock is a rock. it was a rock millions of years ago, and it will be a rock millions of years from now. its pointless laying claim to such things
We need to stop all the funding to aboriginal issues. They were too weak to stop us taking over and that's how the grown up world works. They can't claim to be traditional owners of land they couldn't protect. So who do we vote for to make this happen? We need to identify the politicians who are on the side of all Australians and give them our full support. We are in a terminal spiral right now.
My country was conquered by the Greeks for over 200 years, then it was once again colonized from the turks for 500 years. Our culture was always on the brink of dying for hundreds of years. The abOriginals were unlucky and had the majority of their culture destroyed. You Brits will never know what it's like to lose your national identity because your enemies were powerful.
@@get_that_money664 I'm not a Brit. And I wasn't there when Brits landed. Neither was anyone else alive. They could have wiped out their culture but they didn't and they instead gave them western culture if they wanted to take it. Some did, some didn't. To those that didn't they gave them land and welfare and autonomy.
Are aboriginals going to be banned from significant places that have been developed post colonization (Sydney opera house, Sydney harbour bridge etc.)?
Oh yes , wouldn't that cause a hullaballoo. Of course, it would be called that buzz word, RACIST. (Hell, I am so sick of that cliched word). They go where they like, we can't, AND WE PAY FOR EVERYTHING. This has to stop!
And Victora, wonders why they have to advertise worldwide, for workers, who the hell wants to live in a state, where their policy makers, have forgotten, basic human rights. The whole world saw how they treated their own people during covid, nasty bullies, the prisoner guard mentality, is still very much, their moto.
I “escaped” Victoria in the 80’s and with what’s been happening over the last few years, will never go back (at least, not until the tyrannical government and draconian bureaucracy is kicked out of office - never to return)
All of you in Australia need to get together and get rid of your stupid politicians. if comes to idiocrasy Australia jumped over the US. That's not an easy thing to do.
This has become ridiculous. STOP pandering to the customs (culture means something far more advanced in terms of civilisation) of this evolutionary backwater of the species. STOP acknowledging some non-existent rights and issuing respect on every letter coming from government (and companies), open up Ayers Rock to climbing again. Increasing benefits to Aboriginals haven't achieved anything. House are built, destroyed for firewood, rebuilt, destroyed, rebuilt - the cycle is endless (but a nice steady earner for the tradies involved). Just STOP the whole, farcical nonsense. Aboriginal activists (almost all with only a few drops of aboriginal blood in them) have made Australia a laughing stock, internationally.
This is beyond ridiculous, it's like pandering to 5 year olds. I feel it started with 'secret women's business'. We've allowed these people to create their own reality were they can make up any BS they want and we're forced to accept it without question.
All sites should be listed on the Victorian Aboriginal Heritage Register. The Department of Premier and Cabinet is required to maintain a register of Aboriginal places and objects under the Aboriginal Heritage Act 2006. Over 39,000 Aboriginal objects and places have been recorded on the Register...Allegedly. The Register is not a publicly accessible.
Aussie diggers died for this land so their many ancestors could enjoy Australia and its places. Maybe with the continual f ing about the aborigines and empowering the radical elements will backfire as the disrespect of white contribution is total and it hurts.
Well, gee wiz. Why don’t they just make it. a hundred billion gajillion dollars? Pegging fines at levels totally out of whack with the “crime” in question just ends up making the authorities in question look totally stupid.
The fact that people are not allowed to access parks be it for 4x4 or climbing as mentioned here means that no maintence has been done as well thus we get these great bloody big bush fires
wait people can't use the part because it's to protect aboriginal heritage yet there's no issue installing a bunch of signs, fences and cages? this crap has got to stop.
Incredibe. So, those of us who are arguably sane must now struggle against Big Brother and his ilk to regain fundamental rights that we already had, and have always had.
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Im glad I voted NO against the Corrupt Voice 👍🏽
Awwwww and it's all about you isn't it?
Aboriginal organisations can be racist. In employment and access to land. It’s wrong, thank goodness Australians voted NO.
NOT "CAN" THEY "ARE".
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IS RIFF.
ITS A 40 BILLION $ INDUSTRY.
ROYAL COMMISSION & AUDIT
Will mean nothing to the WEF Schwab elite communists in power.
ill rephrase that, Aboriginal organisations ARE racist
Wave Hill walk off, look it up & educate yourself.
@@creditelectric
Childish caveman crap.
There's way too much time and money wasted on this garbage
All Australians have the right to visit National Parks that belong to all Australians. None of us love or know our country more than another. These laws depriving some Australians of this right are racist claptrap that never should have been enacted.
Im indigenous and I agree for the most part. However in the case of Uluru it is Private Property and Australians should be grateful for whatever access the people allow. Arguing and demanding access is no different than some Hippy Rabble Rousers out front of your house protesting and demanding access to your house. If you are going to argue Conservative Points then keep it consistent, you people flip flop and become Commie Trash the moment you dont get your own way.
Case and Point: Some time ago Sky News and Andrew Bolt was condemning the Indigenous in NT who had discovered unauthorized Core Drilling happening on their Lands and all of you halfwits jumped on the bandwagon slandering the Indigenous while claiming the Mining Companies should be allowed free access to anywhere they want anytime. After some time a Legislation was Tabled to that effect and you all cheered and gave yourselves a pat on the back for a job well done. Within a week of that Legislation there were Farmers finding Mining Companies Core Drilling on their Properties and suddenly you all were like "Thats not fair, how dare the Mining Companies impose themselves!" .. how quickly you people flip flop like 5yr old children with no Reasoning and Logic
You rail against things like Royalties while not having the slightest clue what you're even speaking about. Go ahead and remove Royalties, across the board.. and watch how quick Farmers tell the Gasd and El;ectrical Companies to pack their shit and get it off their Land. But when you say Abolish Royalties you only mean Blacks because you are incensed with Racial Hatred. The Hypocrisy from you people is just so glaring and you are unashamed of displaying it for all to see
"All Australians have the right..." Not anymore. They took that right from us while we were asleep at the wheel and waving gay pride flags and being welcomed to country
@@monyafeek101
Are you saying shit went down in Australian politics during COVID that a lot of people aren't aware about? Asking seriously, not sarcastic....
@@honeyglazedbomb2516 Nope, I didn't even mention covid.
@@monyafeek101
Touché
Just trying to understand what you meant by "...were asleep at the wheel and waving gay pride flags and being welcomed to country"?
All Australians own national parks. The government needs to open them up for use
I thought they always had been and were!
They wonder why we didn’t vote yes
no you dont the Govt owns them and allows you to use them
You get what you vote for.
@@dukey19941I didn't vote Labor so I didn't get what I voted for
We are always being told how wonderful the aboriginal culture is, all we seem to see of this culture is the tendency to ban anyone else from accessing our key natural wonders
Yes, and that's the word: 'natural' (like, from forever)! NOT 'aboriginal' nor owned by them at ALL.
Gurney off their graffiti, I bet its happened....land right were the worse thing to ever hapen in Oz
All "natural wonders" were there for billions of years before the freeloaders arrived. Not like the grifters actually built, of cared, for anything, so I reckon they own nothing. The first migrants, from Indonesia, who lost their way and inadvertently arrived here, by mistake, in small groups, over tens of thousands of years, own nothing, because the built nothing. They lived in a stone age vacuum.
That's not Aboriginal culture. That's Aboriginal activist culture. :-( Time to get rid of the real source of division - the activists. Time to take back what they deceived our government out of, stolen from both us AND Aboriginal people, and mange it responsibly - because they've proven for decades now they never will.
Same in NZ.. maoris have always got their hands out.. collecting money for doing nothing
It’s not about protection , it’s about control.
Control and money and power.
Exactly right
With an extra large serving of grievance and 'because we can' spitefulness.
@@graemesydney38 Experienced this petty behaviour in real life, as have neighbours who are unbelievably hypocritical "wokes" and blacktivist racists.
My word, these cultural heritage laws will be the fiery death of Australia if they aren't abolished.
Ah, now there is no denying what you are really about.
Yes post referendum and you can clearly see what the "no vote" was really all about that's for sure.@@creditelectric
The $346,000 fine gets paid to who?
Its time for a referendum on native title. This is selfish, wrong, so totally not about Australia.
Our crown land, our common land is for ALL Australians, ALL to share.
That's the definition of Inclusion.
YES! YES! YES!
That is simply sensationalism. You know it is never likely to happen.
@suzang1213.........Most places in the world would be glad if we were all equal.. This doesn't seem to suit Aborigines. They want more, then more and more ad infinitum ad nausea. When equality isn't good enough, it's time to get tough!
@@JoyMartin-rk4pm what does equality even mean? After all we are all different in our own unique ways. Is an apple equal to an orange? The absurdity of such comparisons is just uniquely idiotic!
@@robertholland7558 Nonsense. We can be different but equal. I wasn't comparing anything. Your phrasing suggests you are not for equality.
I'm glad that I've seen, hiked and climbed in the Grampians. What a pity that an elite group has now invoked Apartheid in this spectacular region of what what was once our country.
There are many things that I used to be able to do but no longer. The best Australia had to offer is well behind us now. Some of the loss of freedom comes from an increase in population. But that is only the tip of the iceberg. Unfortunately if people do not enjoy using our state parks and national parks then they won't vote to provide money to even keep them. The long term will be the loss of environment and habitat and the parks themselves. Perhaps not in my lifetime. It is a consequence of "use it or lose it". I.e. if something ISN'T used it WILL be lost.
🤣🤣🤣bro,you biktum now awwwww,that is nothing compared to what you lot did around the world to this very day,such a drama kween bro 🤣🤣🤣
It IS our country. Don't let their emotional blackmailing brainwashing even make you think otherwise: it's like a cancer - it spreads! And it has NO reality whatsoever - that's the truly horrifying part.
@@aaronfranklin6863 Haven't the slightest idea of whatever it is you're attempting to get across.
@@MrGoblin60 awwww now ya dum,awwwwww 🤣🤣🤣
stop all funding. scale back gov't. stop all laws preventing people enjoy the beauty of this land.
Time for a change of government and for all these laws to be rolled back.
we need to say no when these nut jobs try this shiz on us. maybe with an f off as a chaser. think i might have a 'no' tee shirt made.
Lib/labor the uniparty, neither working for Australia..
Both need to be voted out
you can't vote your way out of this
@@ronaldrico3208if our vote is effectively useless, there’s no power to our speech either. We’re only left with violence at that point.
Hear hear.
There are massive vertical cliffs and areas in the Grampians that cannot be climbed without specialist climbing gear (except perhaps by highly skilled elite climbers). There is no way aboriginals ever climbed these cliffs. The climbers are really the first people to ever do so - they are the first humans to ever touch the rocks and cliff faces. The climbers should claim the cliffs as sacred sites and declare themselves First Nations peoples on these sites. Old rusty pegs, etc driven into the rock are "sacred relics". What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
We can't even climb Mt Warning anymore for the same reason ! It's just wrong . The country belongs to all of us
Well, you can.. Just have to be sneaky about it, no problem
The country belongs to out native wildlife just as much as us.
Yep I was born here, this is my land too, & I'll climb wherever I like.
@@williamsharp2532 I was there in June and it was closed
When was the last time it was used for cultural purposes?,I bet it's probably 100 years or more, bullshit excuse to shut places down when they don't use it anymore
There really doesn’t seem to be much aboriginal cultural heritage. Certainly not compared to the amount of heritage in England or any other old world country.
Their traditional lifestyle didnt leave a lot of artifacts, at least you couldn't call them hoarders.
What cultural heritage? Tribe on tribe and stone age cultures? Couldn't count, no written record, no tools, no structures, no buildings, no stone structures....
Tbf Europeans did try to wipe out those cultural traditions to tane the "Savage beast" so to speak, also think of them as cosmic people where nature itself is the culture.
No this isn't advocating for banning climbing on rocks.
It's all push to get our MONEY, and as much as they can.
Sticks and Rocks. !
We should all rock up and climb our own land, time to get rid of all this crap,
up to and including ayers rock. all of it.
And destroy the natural environment which it was meant to be. Great idea....
@@allanmckenzie5961 like the wind farms festooning the hills far and wide with plans for more off shore... or solar farms covering vast swathes of land... to huge unmarked propeller graveyards... don't make me laugh with the "natural environment" bs. green policies ruin the environment as readily as regular policies do. but the greens like to lie about it, and claim the moral high ground. liars.
@@pauljamison8546 But it was getting treated like a toilet.
@@creditelectric it would be nice if people could go out into nature with a mature level of respect and appreciation. doesn't change my prior points. it should be our right to go where we want on our land. and environmentalism activism results in toxic conclusions.
Half the country is already subject to land claims and in a lot of cases based on nothing more than an application of the local land council. No cultural heritage or significance.. Just that they can.. these areas are then locked up away or sold off, benefitting generally only the family members linked to the Land Council. Don’t you worry, any public land, in particular any of value is subject to, or eyed off by Aboriginal Land Councils, with full support of the government.. And if you think it won’t effect the inner city or “affluent” areas, remember the attempted claim on the park at Balmoral beach. And fines for destroying a rock.. really.. Anyone been out west of NSW where there are paddocks of empty VB cans and rubbish as far as the eye can see..
Don't you understand the significance of the paddocks of empty VB cans and rubbish? That's the future sacred sites! Future generations will marvel at the culture that drank so much and dumped so much crap everywhere!
Amazing custodians of the land... Hahaha Haha. You mean vandals?
Welcome to Buggered Up Country!
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Native art which is invisible to the naked eye? Lol. Smh.
@@darrenyorstonbeer goggles
I can’t relate to Australia becoming so authoritarian during covid and now after. Once you give these control happy bureaucrats a foothold it becomes ridiculously hard to get your freedoms back.
Don't come to WA then, our police minister thinks he's Hitler.
Not hard to get back , you never get them back 😡
$40 Billion annually that's over $100 Million per day.
Mind boggles
Is about $4000 each, every taxpayer. That is a nice holiday in Thailand for 2 weeks in a resort. And is going to get worse never ending schemes cooked up for money and more awareness schemes.
Not just a nanny state here in Victoria.. the whole country
I'm a New zealander, I visited the Grampians in 1989 , I remember the elephant hide , a beautiful place, as I recall John Clarke died of a heart attack on a trail there. Everyone should be able to enjoy nature wherever it is , something needs to be done about this unfair situation.
I stood out on the Jaws of Death when I was 14 back in 1982. Looking way down on the tops of tall trees below that fell away to the bottom. It was a beautiful sight. But that Jaw is long gone. A lot of us dodged a bullet standing out on that. Makes me shudder sometimes.
We got to our lodge at the Grampians late at night so we never seen it going in. But next morning in the daylight it was like we were in the mouth of a giant beast looking out. The Grampians are like our Grand Canyon in a way...
@@gecko-sb1kp A very high vertical drop cliff ledge that my family sea fished off since the 1920's , or even earlier , was no longer there when I went fishing one day in 1984.
@@barrycuda3769 Yeah. Gravity will always win in the end.
"Everyone should be able to enjoy nature wherever it is" and why is that? Doesn't nature need protection, aren't wilderness areas important to the planent just for their own sake? Protected from human encroachment. Entitlement to destroy? It's because of people like you the world is sick, in a very bad place. We should be happy and content that parts of the planet are safe for their own sakes.
@@equestanton1017Stay in your pram. Most people dont want to go to these places anyway, so impact is minimal. I'm part of nature, and I'll do what I want .
Now you know what Mayo meant when he said pay the rent.
Exactly.
And of course he doesn’t have Indigenous heritage…… so is he going to pay himself the ‘rent’?
Never seen a indigenous at the Grampians until money was to be made by the white indigenous
We voted no because we agreed we're all Australians, ONE people. So it's time to reverse all handovers to Aboriginal land councils. Why should 55% of the dirt, rocks, water and other resources belong to only a few %? Cancel all their government funding to impoverish them for a start. Next investigate, uncover enough dirty laundry to designate them criminal organizations (since in spirit they already are) and thus we take it all back under the proceeds of crime laws.
Hear, hear! I want to know where their proof of 'ownership' is? There's never been, since Australia was federated, ANY deed of transfer passing Australian land into total control of the aborigines.
Yeah, after stealing the land in the first place, let's continue to oppress the people who have the only legitimate claim to the land.
@thepeadair I bought my land, worked hard to pay it off and I pay a lot of tax. I did not dispossess anyone, rather through paying taxes I am enabling this divisive crap to continue by partially funding it. Government should be listening to the majority not the fringe. We all are Australian and they already control 50-60%. Where is the fairness to non indigenous people here, come on. Grow up.
@@thepeadairGrow up, you would have to be from the inner city with a bs statement like that. If that's your thinking name one country in this world where they were not settled in the same way. Continue to oppress, 3000 plus orgs & near $40 billion a year tell me again how oppressed they are. The only ones oppressing them are the orgs that are supposed to be working for them. Audit time.
@@thepeadairawwww, da widdle boo boo, poor widdle fella, awwww. Yeah, nonsensical public virtue signalling is sooo edgy.
We all pay taxes to maintain these parks and public buildings so we should be able to use them.
Yeah, another rip off. Wanting us to pay for everything and not letting us use it. They pay for nothing and I am sick of it.
Nobody owns 4 billion year old mountains nor has the right to stop others using them
Australia is a secular country. All this belief system with indigenous people is there religion. It should be recognised but not allowed to control what we do. The Left argue Christianity should not control our lives, how come they support this religion having such powers. One flag, one vote.
A lot of truth in that.
They try to eliminate the fact that a CHRISTIAN nation founded Australia and has provided UNTOLD support, help and FINANCES to them - in the BILLIONS - for over a century! It's time they woke up and started being GRATEFUL for what they were given. I don't see how they would have survived if the Australian governments hadn't done all they have done for them - but they want EVERYTHING under their control and in their bank accounts. The insanity HAS to be STOPPED. I mean, come on - this ISN'T according to the Constitutional rights of 97% of the country!! Why is it even being ALLOWED? When is the Law going to step in?
They don't like the talking snake in genesis but they sure do love woggle woggle the creator serpent ....he's ok that one apparently 🤣
It's not religion, it's on par with believing in fairies at the bottom of the garden.
@@ACDZ123woggle woggle?
Time to return things to a certain order, I think...
Just look at how their remote community areas are treated to see how much respect they have for 'the land'.
We should protest the illegal Parks Victoria levy that is applied to our water bills.
While its nice this issue has gotten some exposure, they really did tiptoe around the crux of the problem. Turns out climbers and bush walkers aren't paying customers. There has been a push for years now to monetize our Australian national parks including the Grampians and aboriginal heritage is a great excuse to evict the "undesirables". People will happily pay big bucks to go on guided walks where they don't have to carry any gear, sleep in fancy bungalows and eat chef prepared meals. Less than a minute of googling found a 7 day Grampians guided walk which visits all the main peaks for $3245. Just follow the money.
Yep. Try getting anywhere near Ayer's Rock without paying the entry fee.
Graboriginals again
How else do you expect the parks to be cleaned, trails to be maintained and people like you expelled. Sometimes natural places need to exist just for their own sakes and need protection. Humans have over run the planet like roaches. There is hardly any virgin planent left undisturbed. What is it that people like you cannot understand. Entitlment is what it is about pure and simple. Organised guided restricted use that gives back to park preservation is suited to areas of high interest. Some world heritage sites have been totaly destroyed by the unrestricted human entitlment, do you want the same for Australian heritage sites natural and cultural? Welcome to the what was The Great Barrier Reef. A vast death bed of biodiversity, all thats left is picking through the bones. Such is Australian collective cognitive dissonance that they are unable to even recognise it's already dead.
How long before we are outlawed from fishing, mountain biking, hiking, camping, even photography and all under “cultural heritage” ?
Rules being made by nameless bureaucrats who have no public accountability !
Sad but true, it will happen as long as there is money to be made by fines.
These parks should be returned to the public.
I absolutely do not feel part of society in the least, I'm stuck in it, I need to negotiate through it, but I am absolutely not a part of it, I doubt I'm the only one.
not alone, I've been broken away from the wider world for about a decade now, this world is burning and bloodied, i have no interest in fixing it for others and nobody cares to fix life for me,that's just fine.
This is disunity. They want this. They want you to want it. It’s how they get everything they want for cheap after it all falls to ruin at the hands of incompetence. As PAINFUL as it is, the cure isn’t apathy or disillusionment. The fix IS unity. The more we strive for unity the harder it will be for them to rip up the country for their benefit and profit.
The rich POS batards who will make a killing off all this hate your guts and everything about you right down to what you look like. Giving in is giving them everything they ever wanted.
This is bloody ridiculous. The Country belongs to everyone to be shared.
It’s all about power and money, bullies who think they are gods .
I have had enough of this nonsense. If the NO vote meant anything, it meant we are all Australians sharing this land. The politicians and public servants work for us. They have special rights over national parks that the rest of us don't have. The reason that they are national parks is so everyone can enjoy them. They are not preserved for a special few. Honestly, I am rapidly losing sympathy for the aboriginal cause. They have become completely intolerant.
(now let the hating begin)
The NO vote didnt mean that at all, it just meant the majority in Australia are racists.
Agreed.
My god what a joke this Is Australia…… we need to stop this madness. Albo and his Labor cronies have a lot to answer for!
We have to end this bull shit in our society
who is "our" ?
Invisible art? Yeah right. They will just take take take, until someone in government has the balls to stand up and assert equality amongst us all.
Bloody Hell, I've just booked to go there. I was born in this country so that makes me by definition Indigenous so why can't I walk where I like.
Sorry, you are whitey and coloniser wrong color. This is Australia in 2023. Is an outrage
EXACTLY! Sound it loud and clear! Can hardly believe this atrocity has got this far. UNBELIEVABLE.
@helenzass411 I believe the trend for being born here goes back 40K years, so yes, we born here, our people born here before colonialism, means we too are indigenous.
Its all about the money……
It’s fantastic that we live in a country were we are all equal. Although some it appears are more equal than others. These parks have been being closed for a long time under the guise that we are preserving them for our CHILDREN, when these children are old enough to enjoy these parks they are told ITS FOR YOUR CHILDREN that these parks are being preserved. Three weeks ago, a couple of the original custodians of this country after enjoying some hamburgers, casually threw the containers on the ground in a car park . Someone not so original asked them could they see their way clear enough to put them in the available bin provided . The result, quote, we own this country, we can do as we like. After which the person who asked the question was accosted a.k.a assaulted by the same caretakers. Thank goodness that the NO vote came up, as the YES vote would put us on the same path as the South African country which is on a downward spiral and from what I read is becoming a basket case.
Pretty sure the original artists had to climb up there
This has crept up on us, but we allowed it to happen with our pandering to the stupidity of land rights.
But the welcome to country states that we are most welcome to enjoy the parks and waterways, thats until we are not and cop a 346k fine it's unbelievable, I and many other Australians will refuse to abide with these indigenous rules, thank god we got the no vote or maybe we would be forced off our own properties, it's a joke and the rest of the world is laughing
Anyone with common sense and decency would.
@stevewynter4519.... I agree, but I can't help thinking that if the voice won, people would not just sit there and have their homes taken. Nearly everyone owns a home, even the renters, well, that house is owned by someone.. I think that would have pushed us too far and then we might have had the civil unrest we need to quell this
s B.S (I am a no voter).
The climbers show and have shown a greater respect and appreciation of the Grampians and the environment than 99% of all aboriginals in Victoria.
based on what evidence? I have never heard of aboriginals trashing these sites
@@ripley6942 Who said anything about trashing? You can't read straight or is it just your default setting?
invisible Aboriginal rock art
🤣🤣
I'm gonna have to try on someone
Not sure it's art... Bag of shitte to be honest
Along with the Aboriginal rock music 🎶 😅
You can't take my property. I have a spiritual space goanna that sleeps here. (Frack me, Gooble can't even spell Goanna. So sick of BS fact check spell check BS. Ill write whatever I want.) Sorry, had to add that rant in there.
Just a taste of the voices power…..
💯💯💯💯💯 %.
And insanity WOULD rule.
National Parks belong to ALL Australians, need to remind them who pays the taxes in this Country to maintain their up keep.
Given that we (the public) are ostensibly banned from these parks, they need to lose the term “National” from their title. Unless of course they’re going to change the definition of National which is absolutely possible these days.
Agree. They should now be called apartheid parks!
We have to get sensible people into government and repeil all this ridiculous legislation
Here we go....the genie is out of the bottle now. One minute you’re going for a bush walk, the next you’re getting a 300K fine for walking on a supposed sacred site. WTF
This is bs and it is taking my right away
Australia: where you're not allowed to go to work, see your family, or go hiking 🙄 Pathetic
Yet the people do nothing
flashback to the og days
penal colony....remember?
You are absolutely correct.
Disgraceful
What the heck happened to Australia? It seems in the last 10 years it just went downhill with the Draconian laws.
If you can't go to work, see your family or go hiking you must be amazingly lazy, cause I did all those things last week! What a bludger you must be.
Well you can take one and free out of the national anthem be cause neither is true now.
They cracked the shits for losing the Voice.
Just imagine how bad it would be if the Voice had gone through!!!
“65 ooo” YEAR ROCK ART?? Nah. BAHAHAHAHA PROVE IT.
WAS 10 ooo BACK IN THE 1980s WHAT AN EFFIN JOKE.
Brought to us by the sanctimonious bullies travelling a direct path to outright authoritarianism.
Where did they get that figure. Out of a cornflakes box. Just tell them to f-off it's a public road.
Now you know why we were disarmed .
@@MichaelIrwin-j3m maybe you but not me.
@@MichaelIrwin-j3m..... That can soon change, and I think it would have if the voice won and they came after our homes. Millions more home owners than politicians and aborigines put together.
Australia belongs to all Australian . United we stand !
Victoria, no rock climbing, no logging,duck hunting soon no camping, 4wd, nxt no snow skiing 😢
Stay inside maggots. Don't you dare come out. Oh, sorry, already had that one.
The large fines would be for destroying sites and not for climbing. There's no prima facie case that climbing destroys sites.
well let you go and test it for all the climbers
Parking on the side of the road is destroying the site?
Parking on the side of the road has lead to a threatening letter and a visit to the home to intimate the people there, that they need to be questioned by ‘First Nations State Victoria’ ……….it is being reported that the $300,000 + fines are for entering the area. How does that sit with you @EricaMTB?
What sites are they destroying being parked on the side of a road? They're off their heads.
i can understand art or paintings or whatever, but a rock is a rock. it was a rock millions of years ago, and it will be a rock millions of years from now. its pointless laying claim to such things
Sad to see people trying logical analysis of straight out illogical bullying.
We need to stop all the funding to aboriginal issues. They were too weak to stop us taking over and that's how the grown up world works. They can't claim to be traditional owners of land they couldn't protect. So who do we vote for to make this happen? We need to identify the politicians who are on the side of all Australians and give them our full support. We are in a terminal spiral right now.
My country was conquered by the Greeks for over 200 years, then it was once again colonized from the turks for 500 years. Our culture was always on the brink of dying for hundreds of years. The abOriginals were unlucky and had the majority of their culture destroyed. You Brits will never know what it's like to lose your national identity because your enemies were powerful.
@@get_that_money664 I'm not a Brit. And I wasn't there when Brits landed. Neither was anyone else alive. They could have wiped out their culture but they didn't and they instead gave them western culture if they wanted to take it. Some did, some didn't. To those that didn't they gave them land and welfare and autonomy.
This isnt about protecting heritage, its about rorting the Non-indigenous.
Vote the Commies out who pushed this.
If we cant use it cease funding for the parks.
Are aboriginals going to be banned from significant places that have been developed post colonization (Sydney opera house, Sydney harbour bridge etc.)?
Oh yes , wouldn't that cause a hullaballoo. Of course, it would be called that buzz word, RACIST. (Hell, I am so sick of that cliched word). They go where they like, we can't, AND WE PAY FOR EVERYTHING. This has to stop!
Racial gatekeeping .we vote no , they keep pushing their feelings.
"This place looks all right
Think I'll make it a Sacred Site"
... let's reclaim Australia for Australians and not be so darn racist
And Victora, wonders why they have to advertise worldwide, for workers, who the hell wants to live in a state, where their policy makers, have forgotten, basic human rights. The whole world saw how they treated their own people during covid, nasty bullies, the prisoner guard mentality, is still very much, their moto.
So national parks are no longer for the nation.
I “escaped” Victoria in the 80’s and with what’s been happening over the last few years, will never go back (at least, not until the tyrannical government and draconian bureaucracy is kicked out of office - never to return)
What culture? Stone age and never produced anything of value
In the meantime the department of constant name change are allowing the deer population to decimate our bush
All of you in Australia need to get together and get rid of your stupid politicians. if comes to idiocrasy Australia jumped over the US. That's not an easy thing to do.
Glad I climbed Ayers Rock when I did...
What be this mythical Ayers Rock of which you speak, is it from the Dreamtime?
Yeah nah, that's Uluru in the Dreamtime.
Actually the oldest black fellas call it Ayres rock, so you said it properly
@@riffcaster never heard of her...
Who is Ayer and why do people want to climb on their rock?
This has become ridiculous. STOP pandering to the customs (culture means something far more advanced in terms of civilisation) of this evolutionary backwater of the species. STOP acknowledging some non-existent rights and issuing respect on every letter coming from government (and companies), open up Ayers Rock to climbing again.
Increasing benefits to Aboriginals haven't achieved anything. House are built, destroyed for firewood, rebuilt, destroyed, rebuilt - the cycle is endless (but a nice steady earner for the tradies involved).
Just STOP the whole, farcical nonsense. Aboriginal activists (almost all with only a few drops of aboriginal blood in them) have made Australia a laughing stock, internationally.
This is beyond ridiculous, it's like pandering to 5 year olds. I feel it started with 'secret women's business'. We've allowed these people to create their own reality were they can make up any BS they want and we're forced to accept it without question.
NATIONAL PARKS AND GATES.😢
I've climbed Ayres Rock and I'm proud of it.
Big deal. Hope all your mates enjoyed the "look at me" selfies. I'd rather enjoy an Ayers Rock/Uluru sunset watching it change colours
@@allanmckenzie5961then go and do it
@@allanmckenzie5961 Ask them why they climbed it before dissing them!
@@allanmckenzie5961ha, it was a big deal thanks. No selfies back then, sorry. Damn glad I did though.
@@allanmckenzie5961 Who cares
Who was it that said that wowsers were people who suspected that some one was having a good time. I think it was Barry Humphries.
All sites should be listed on the Victorian Aboriginal Heritage Register. The Department of Premier and Cabinet is required to maintain a register of Aboriginal places and objects under the Aboriginal Heritage Act 2006. Over 39,000 Aboriginal objects and places have been recorded on the Register...Allegedly. The Register is not a publicly accessible.
Every rock climber in the country should go climb there. Public parks belong to the public. If you don’t use it, make a stand, they will take it.
......And you wonder why the majority voted NO???? Do you need any further proof????.
Aussie diggers died for this land so their many ancestors could enjoy Australia and its places. Maybe with the continual f ing about the aborigines and empowering the radical elements will backfire as the disrespect of white contribution is total and it hurts.
Australians are not allowed to use any Pariks or beaches
Well, gee wiz. Why don’t they just make it. a hundred billion gajillion dollars? Pegging fines at levels totally out of whack with the “crime” in question just ends up making the authorities in question look totally stupid.
Come on Victoria!!! Vote these losers out and get control of your state again.
The fact that people are not allowed to access parks be it for 4x4 or climbing as mentioned here means that no maintence has been done as well thus we get these great bloody big bush fires
This has all been done in Victoria very quietly and I am sad to say it may be too late.
wait people can't use the part because it's to protect aboriginal heritage yet there's no issue installing a bunch of signs, fences and cages?
this crap has got to stop.
Just another place in Victoria to boycott. Let's see what happens when they run out of tourists money.
Do they forget who actually owns the National Parks....the Australian people thats who.
Another reason to hate the aboriginal industry and those who propagate it.
Auditing where Aboriginal industry funds are going should be a priority.
Hahaha this is how they would take your home with the yes vote.
It is.
Incredibe. So, those of us who are arguably sane must now struggle against Big Brother and his ilk to regain fundamental rights that we already had, and have always had.
It’s in Victoria. Enough said….
I thought Victorians had more sense.
@@goldenautumn3073- They haven’t. It’s the most consistently left wing state in Australia.
and so it starts,the money grab from ordinary Australians for a group of privileged people.