Been riding these on analogs for years. They can pump up steep hills without kicking. Fwiw your setting on the FIN is mega pump, not super carve and that let's you clear most batteries. On belt drives you will need a riser on the rail for motors to clear the adapter kingpins. Makes the boards a mile high but you don't kick these, you pump them so no biggie. The reason they are so stable at speed is the rear truck is zero degrees when attached to the rail adapter. I'm running a Waterbourne on my meepo voyager at top speed. Just shim up some super hard cheap street bushings (dimebag black) and crank the trucks real tight and let the adapters do all the work. No need for the eskate extender if the trucks are cranked, if you get a little bite you will be going super slow but you won't if the trucks are super tight. Tune the adapters with the back rail, I'm running 96a Kranks from riptide with canons on bottom and still have all the lean range. I even do light ldp with riptides high rebounds on the rail, they also have the square front bushings if you want. The whole surfskate phenomenon really stems from downhill and slalom racing. They figured out a long time ago that a lower angle rear truck is stable at speed paired with a steep angle front, and that carving it builds speed much the way tick tacking a street deck does. Then Carver skateboards was born and here we are. Lots of fun.
One nice thing about using the rear adapter which makes it necessary is that it both allows the front to turn easier and better, while also maintaining rear end traction. On a regular board set-up we create some stability in rear with harder bushings and/or a tighter bolt down. But that also makes the rear trucks unable to keep up with the fronts in hard turns so what happens is the rear outside wheel lifts up losing half your rear traction when your’re hard into a lean. Cool if you want to and are prepared to control a slide but bad if you don’t.
I think the next step is to make a board specifically designed for the Waterborne adapter. A super drop down longboard deck paired with good TKP trucks will help keep the overall ride height manageable.
It’s definitely nice to have a drop down, especially if you’re on an analog board and need to kick. That said, I used to be someone that preferred real low ride heights and even stiff bushings, and after years of being on waterborne modded boards you learn that the low ride height and stiff turning isn’t so important, that it’s even better to have enough height to really lean the board hard taking advantage of the adapters
@@sageoz9886 balance of your preferences is key, each person will have their preference which is why I always encourage people to explore different setups, mix and match til you find your preferred blend of how low, how turny you like it 🤙🏼
@@sageoz9886 ya and we not kicking really anyway right, like ldp they really setup to get pump at high speed so they need to skog a lot so they need the low height.
I’ve been using Waterbornes for many years, on many boards. I set mine up uniquely and it’s a total next level game changer. The secret is to reverse(or rather, un-reverse) your rear trucks. Have them face the same direction as your fronts. As you lean the rear adapter will lean first (with soft bushings) and then the rear trucks will turn with the fronts, but since the front adapter creates so much extra turning, you’ll still be able to rail tight corners and carve easily, but now with a rear end that tucks into the corner rather than push and slide out, and even better wants to straighten out over rough stuff at high speeds rather than creating a wobble. Trust me try it for a week and you won’t go back. Best of both worlds having nimble carving AND stability at any speed
I’ve got a crappy video I made quickly explaining it and showing my Miles Phantom. I need a action camera so I can take some riding footage to make a better video, and include other boards I’ve done like this, both electric and analog.
@@DrewElia I hope you try it out! Let me know what you think, it’s cool to get feedback from other riders. I really want to try to get this popular as I know it works better and is much more safe than a traditional set-up. Thanks!
@@DrewElia hey have you tried reversed rear trucks in combo the the adapters yet? It’s super easy to try out and makes such a huge amount of difference. Sorry to drone about it but it’s a major improvement in setup IMO and needs to be shared
Love the Waterborne adapter on my Meepo V3...watching this makes me wish I'd brought that board to on my long weekend away. *sigh* So much fun and such a workout.
awesome Drew!! Finally something that could make me jump on the mini Esk8 scene. Always wanted a stoke, but the controller and price (and small battery) kept me off. But now I can get the surfskate vibe with any mini Esk8 board 👌🤙.
Dude yes! This is right up your alley! I’m telling you, you’ll love it! I’m going to rip it at our local pump track as well but it’s like an endless wave!
They have really detailed instructions on the box how to install, but it just matches up to your original hardware from your skateboard! It’s not to complicated
I have a question I have the cloud 120mm should I throw on the cagaumas. 85mm or will it work with the 120mm. Also can I hit full speed I imagine hitting 25 miles and the board over turning on me as dodge a pot hole
I have a Backfire Zealot with WSA and Clouds 105. Battery enclosure on Zealot is very close to the front of the board - +-130 mm (sorry, no inches, mainland Europe guy here ;) ). I wanted my deck to be as low to the ground as possibe [if deck is higher the board is quite wobbly when not in a (fast) move - waiting for traffic lights, very slow riding etc.]. I have to put WSA on DIY extender to avoid wheel bites against battery enclosure. Now back edge of the WSA is positioned +-155mm from the battery box - this is the safe distance. WSA stiffens with increasing speed, but I ride definitely slower with it. Let's say 30-32 kmh with WSA, 34-37 kmh without.
Sick barrels 😂 Nah great review, I think I'll get me one of these. Still kinda confused what it even is and what it does but I just started longboarding, and surfing not long before that, so I'm pretty keen to imitate that on the longboard
@@wuddy45I have a lot of mini board reviews on the channel, last summer I dubbed it “summer of the mini” a lot of companies came out with different versions so check out my channel and look at those reviews as well! 😊
Drew, I don’t have a shortboard yet but if I were to have to pick one just to put on a Waterborne Surf Adapter which make/model would you recommend? Top speed and or range for a surf skate feel are probably not priority but rather the size/deck and fit for the Surf Adapter?
The brand new Tynee Stinger has a really really nice deck shape to it and I would love to try to put a surf adapter on it! The other one is the Meepo Flow that would also be a fun surf adapter as well. both of the boards are on my channel so check them out and make sure to ask more questions!
Been riding these on analogs for years. They can pump up steep hills without kicking.
Fwiw your setting on the FIN is mega pump, not super carve and that let's you clear most batteries.
On belt drives you will need a riser on the rail for motors to clear the adapter kingpins. Makes the boards a mile high but you don't kick these, you pump them so no biggie.
The reason they are so stable at speed is the rear truck is zero degrees when attached to the rail adapter.
I'm running a Waterbourne on my meepo voyager at top speed. Just shim up some super hard cheap street bushings (dimebag black) and crank the trucks real tight and let the adapters do all the work. No need for the eskate extender if the trucks are cranked, if you get a little bite you will be going super slow but you won't if the trucks are super tight.
Tune the adapters with the back rail, I'm running 96a Kranks from riptide with canons on bottom and still have all the lean range. I even do light ldp with riptides high rebounds on the rail, they also have the square front bushings if you want.
The whole surfskate phenomenon really stems from downhill and slalom racing. They figured out a long time ago that a lower angle rear truck is stable at speed paired with a steep angle front, and that carving it builds speed much the way tick tacking a street deck does. Then Carver skateboards was born and here we are.
Lots of fun.
One nice thing about using the rear adapter which makes it necessary is that it both allows the front to turn easier and better, while also maintaining rear end traction. On a regular board set-up we create some stability in rear with harder bushings and/or a tighter bolt down. But that also makes the rear trucks unable to keep up with the fronts in hard turns so what happens is the rear outside wheel lifts up losing half your rear traction when your’re hard into a lean. Cool if you want to and are prepared to control a slide but bad if you don’t.
Thanks for the comparision. Now I have to buy next board ;)
Maybe you could add to the comparision Carver trucks?
I think the next step is to make a board specifically designed for the Waterborne adapter. A super drop down longboard deck paired with good TKP trucks will help keep the overall ride height manageable.
If you build it, we will
Ride it hahah. “In MAD we trust!”
I like the sound of that!
It’s definitely nice to have a drop down, especially if you’re on an analog board and need to kick. That said, I used to be someone that preferred real low ride heights and even stiff bushings, and after years of being on waterborne modded boards you learn that the low ride height and stiff turning isn’t so important, that it’s even better to have enough height to really lean the board hard taking advantage of the adapters
@@sageoz9886 balance of your preferences is key, each person will have their preference which is why I always encourage people to explore different setups, mix and match til you find your preferred blend of how low, how turny you like it 🤙🏼
@@sageoz9886 ya and we not kicking really anyway right, like ldp they really setup to get pump at high speed so they need to skog a lot so they need the low height.
Looks like so much fun mate. Rippin it up "whoopaahh!"
It brings a totally different feel to a familiar ride! Haha whooooopahhhh!!!
I’ve been using Waterbornes for many years, on many boards. I set mine up uniquely and it’s a total next level game changer. The secret is to reverse(or rather, un-reverse) your rear trucks. Have them face the same direction as your fronts. As you lean the rear adapter will lean first (with soft bushings) and then the rear trucks will turn with the fronts, but since the front adapter creates so much extra turning, you’ll still be able to rail tight corners and carve easily, but now with a rear end that tucks into the corner rather than push and slide out, and even better wants to straighten out over rough stuff at high speeds rather than creating a wobble. Trust me try it for a week and you won’t go back. Best of both worlds having nimble carving AND stability at any speed
I’ve got a crappy video I made quickly explaining it and showing my Miles Phantom. I need a action camera so I can take some riding footage to make a better video, and include other boards I’ve done like this, both electric and analog.
Appreciate the comment and information my man! That makes a huge difference!!
@@DrewElia I hope you try it out! Let me know what you think, it’s cool to get feedback from other riders. I really want to try to get this popular as I know it works better and is much more safe than a traditional set-up. Thanks!
@@DrewElia hey have you tried reversed rear trucks in combo the the adapters yet? It’s super easy to try out and makes such a huge amount of difference. Sorry to drone about it but it’s a major improvement in setup IMO and needs to be shared
I haven’t been able to flip them around yet! I’ll definitely do it though, working on a few other projects at the moment.
Great review man !! Such a professional
Really appreciate the compliment my man! Glad you enjoyed it!
Oh dang that looks super fun 🛹
Yes sir! Totally different feeling from you’re normal skateboard!
Love the Waterborne adapter on my Meepo V3...watching this makes me wish I'd brought that board to on my long weekend away. *sigh* So much fun and such a workout.
Agree! You can really get a full body work out just pumping!!
awesome Drew!! Finally something that could make me jump on the mini Esk8 scene. Always wanted a stoke, but the controller and price (and small battery) kept me off. But now I can get the surfskate vibe with any mini Esk8 board 👌🤙.
Dude yes! This is right up your alley! I’m telling you, you’ll love it! I’m going to rip it at our local pump track as well but it’s like an endless wave!
@@DrewElia hahaa awesome! Show some footage of that amigo 👌😁🤙🤙🤙! Now make a decision on which mini board with belt drive 👌😎🤙
This looks amazing. Any chance you want to detail the build a bit? It's hard to tell how the stock skate parts and adapters actually fit on the back.
They have really detailed instructions on the box how to install, but it just matches up to your original hardware from your skateboard! It’s not to complicated
"How good are the Waterborn Surf Adapter???"
Drew: "WAAAAH!!! WAAAH PAAAAH!!"
"Noiiice."
Hahahah, get barreled, get pitted! 🤙🏼
@@DrewElia haha
I have a question I have the cloud 120mm should I throw on the cagaumas. 85mm or will it work with the 120mm. Also can I hit full speed I imagine hitting 25 miles and the board over turning on me as dodge a pot hole
This board doesn’t have swappable wheels, cloud wheels makes sleeves for hub motors
I have a Backfire Zealot with WSA and Clouds 105. Battery enclosure on Zealot is very close to the front of the board - +-130 mm (sorry, no inches, mainland Europe guy here ;) ). I wanted my deck to be as low to the ground as possibe [if deck is higher the board is quite wobbly when not in a (fast) move - waiting for traffic lights, very slow riding etc.]. I have to put WSA on DIY extender to avoid wheel bites against battery enclosure. Now back edge of the WSA is positioned +-155mm from the battery box - this is the safe distance.
WSA stiffens with increasing speed, but I ride definitely slower with it. Let's say 30-32 kmh with WSA, 34-37 kmh without.
Would be nice on a landyacht board
Any board my man! It makes it into a seriously awesome shred machine!
Yooo that looks like so much fun
Honestly man, it’s a blast! It takes your eskate or longboard game to a different level!!
Does anyone know if i can do an ollie after upgrading my board with this? I want to mix my styles
The board is heavy, like 18lbs heavy I believe, unless you’re putting it on a regular board you’ll be totally
Fine
Sick barrels 😂 Nah great review, I think I'll get me one of these. Still kinda confused what it even is and what it does but I just started longboarding, and surfing not long before that, so I'm pretty keen to imitate that on the longboard
Wooo! Welcome to the best hobby ever! Let me know if you have questions!
Is there was a definitive list of e-skates this is compatible with without wheel bite? Like does it fit a Backfire S2?
You’ll have to potentially do some modifications as in riser pads or truck extensions but check out waterborne website
It’s work on Tynee stinger?
Yes, this can work on nearly every skateboard!
Cool ride👍🏽⚡️
Thanks brother!
Can I ask what kind of board you’re using for this surfskate adapters.
This is the meepo mini! Check out my review video on my channel for the board!
@@DrewElia thanks for your quick response. I'm looking for a short e-skateboard and the meepo mini seems pretty good
@@wuddy45I have a lot of mini board reviews on the channel, last summer I dubbed it “summer of the mini” a lot of companies came out with different versions so check out my channel and look at those reviews as well! 😊
Great cap !
Officially the deck head club
You didn’t need the extended rail adapter?
the mini had such a large riser pad on it I was able to clear it!
Drew, I don’t have a shortboard yet but if I were to have to pick one just to put on a Waterborne Surf Adapter which make/model would you recommend?
Top speed and or range for a surf skate feel are probably not priority but rather the size/deck and fit for the Surf Adapter?
The brand new Tynee Stinger has a really really nice deck shape to it and I would love to try to put a surf adapter on it! The other one is the Meepo Flow that would also be a fun surf adapter as well. both of the boards are on my channel so check them out and make sure to ask more questions!
⚡ *Oh shiii* ⚡
Never seen a mini on waterborne skated/surfed like that! 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Thanks brother! Love trying new things out and this definitely fit that bill!
yewwwww🤘🏼
Thanks brother
You are a funny version of Bert Kriescher
Hahaha I guess thank you??? 😆
🤘🛹👍
Yewwww brother!!!!
😂😂😂WaaaPaaaa!!!!
I’m glad you get my humor 😂
@@DrewElia That’s what makes your reviews great man! Authenticity!!! Keep on doing you bro, Pure Gold!