I've had my Dualtron III for a couple of weeks now and your 2 reviews swung me towards paying extra for the superior quality and performance compared to most other powerful scooters. Thanks and keep up the good work.
I am about to compost my first dualtron, I live in Korea and I have had a good time watching and looking for videos. To make the best choice. The reviews you give are very powerful and I imagine how powerful my dualtron 3 will be.
Loved your video! In our country we just had some DT3 owners exceed 10000 kilometers so you can be assured your DT3 has the same potential to last with the same reliability we have here in the Philippines despite our poor road conditions and harsh monsoon seasons.
Great assessment! I have owned many scooters over the years as one of my primary commute options. I have enjoyed the 500w-1000w single motor scooters but wanted to try a power scooter. I then purchased a Kaabo Mantis dual motor scooter and loved the speed and acceleration. Unfortunately I got 4 flats in 300 miles of riding. I then drove over to San Rafael which is just over the bridge for me in San Francisco. I spent a couple hours with Cooper at Minimotors and test rode the Dualtron fleet along with some Wepeds. I wanted the best solid tire option so I focused on the Raptor 2 and the very lesser known Compact. I decided to splurge for the Compact and haven't regretted the purchase. It is built so well and can take 3" drywall screw to the rear tire and still keep going. I agree with you that top speed isn't everything. It can cruise at 40mph but I enjoy the crazy acceleration and small, folding structure. It can fold down and fit in my very tight garage. Once you ride a Dualtron for a while it is clear the quality is there and with US support that is the frosting on the cake. Keep riding and having fun!
I'm thinking of getting the compact. Is the ride fairly comfortable and stable compared to the pneumatic tire Dualtrons? I'm on the fence between the III and compact? Thanks for your help.
I really liked your first review and was eagerly looking forward to this update. As ever, yours is a thorough and engaging review. Btw we've both had the same problem with the switch selector. A good friend and dualtron expert who replaced it told me that it could be due to repeated handlebar folding and/or turning the handlebars too extremely to the left or right, especially when pushing it through tight spaces. Makes sense since this wire runs along the entire stem length.
Thanks much for the kind words. Glad you enjoyed it. Mine wore through right as it exits the plastic "dualtron" stem cover. So my wear could have been to folding/unfolding. I noticed the plastic cover has a fairly sharp edge to it. I rounded the edge so hopefully it will keep the problem from returning. Was that where yours had issues?
Can confirm the good things about MinimotorsUSA; they are great to work with and awesome customer service. Bought one scooter from them already and buying another soon. Plus they’re headquarters are close to me, so that’s a plus.
Love your video. I have upgraded the breaks to Shimano M7100 (which used on bikes, cost me 950 Chinese Yuan / 147 USD).Surprisingly, they work very well. And about the re-gen problem that you mantioned, it seems not to be a problem to me. I set it at level 3, and I usually use the re-gen function to slow the scooter from 60km/h (38mp/h) to 20km/h (12mp/h) , and use the Shimano M7100 breaks under 20km/h. In this way I can regen more power and save the breaking pads usage. Feel free to disscuss more about Dualtron :)
I was gonna get the dualtron 3, but instead got the thunder. I did have two motor controllers go out last week at the same time. But I was under warranty so got brand new ones installed and no issues after 400 miles.
Great review and thanks. If there is one upgrade to be done it's the mt5e disc brakes, hi speeds should always be supported by stopping power, in addition the mt5e is single or dual finger braking.
Hey Freddie. Would love to connect with you and hear more about your experience with the magura brakes. Email me at askdiymark@gmail.com so we can start the conversation.
Dualtron just came out with the Eagle pro. It has a lot of the specs from the 3 but is lighter. Would you reconsider the 3 if the Eagle was out when you purchased it?
Hmm. Price point is nice. I don't know much about it. Just judging from a quick look my thoughts would focus on the brakes... Just mechanical? The DT3's are just OK IMO. Would be concerned about anything less. But yeah looks like a sweet ride.
Hi picked up a Thunder 3 last night I ordered from a NYC shop, charged it all night & wanted to lift stem to find metal part that hold silver locking pins & set screws missing metal on both sides, does Minimotors have a return policy, this looks extremely dangerous???
I was seriously about to buy one of these. The steering stem wobble, weird index finger throttle and weak brakes were a complete deal killer for me. I was willing to shell out a couple thousand thinking I was going to get a high quality scooter. Thanks for saving me the disappointment had I bought it. I noticed your friend has the Lunacycle scooter. If you don't mind, what's your opinion on that one? It's cheaper in price and looks pretty nice. The Luna Apocalypse 3.
Thanks for posting this video! I have a question. Im about 225 lbs and i was looking into this scooter. Would this be enough just to drive around the small towns of the central valley? I really appreciate your help! Ty
diymark - thanks Mark!! I really appreciate it! Ive been wanting one and the market is so competitive. I feel they just keep coming with new technologies. I appreciate your help!
Tough question. I guess I compromised over the thunder. And frankly it worked out great. The 3 is plenty of power and range. Most of my travels are around 20-25 MPH (bike trails/sidewalks) so higher top speeds really aren't necessary. But still would be fun to have more for the occasional white knuckle run!
Wow, you did a very excellent and thorough review of your scoot! The DT 3 looks like a great option and minimotors service sounds top notch. You mentioned that the brake pads didn't need replacement after 700 miles, would you say you had the regen braking on for most of that? In your opinion was it the regen brakes that saved your brake pads or was it just the fact that its a lot of brake a not a lot of scooter? Anyway, thanks again for the video!
Thanks for the nice feedback. Regarding the brakes...I only used regen braking for about the first 200 miles. Just didn't like it, so I turned it off. When I took the brakes apart (when I was changing tires) I was surprised how much braking material was left. There was very little wear. But I would also add that the pads do glaze over, meaning they get less effective over time. You really notice the difference when you install a new set of pads. I suspect the brake material is a bit too hard. I remember similar happening on some motorcycles I had years ago. There is a balance between getting the right hardness to get decent wear and soft enough to give good performance. IMHO.
Hello, may I ask you what kind of helmet do you use when you ride the dualtron? I have the eagle and looking for a full face and debating between the dirt bike style or the more heavy one for motorcycle. What’s your opinion?
Personal preference I would say. More protection is nice to have when you meet the pavement, but full coverage can be hot, bulky, and heavy. Mine is a HJC half helmet with built-in visor that I got at local motorcycle shop.
8:12 YES 15mph max range and over. they should sell them 60mph 30miles and you love it when go 15mph and you get 100miles from it i really want know what is range if full blast. i not care max speed and max range bcoz it wont work same formula
Hi John. It was a bit easier for me at the time because the Eagle Pro was not available.There are a lot more choices now than 2 years ago. Range was definitely a factor but in practice it hasn't been a big issue. Most of my rides/commutes are less than 25 miles. The Eagle Pro looks like a nice ride. The only thing that would give me pause is the brakes. The DT3 has hydraulic brakes (albeit cable actuated) and they are just OK. I suspect full mechanical brakes will be more of a speed controller than a brake. Good luck in your quest for a new ride!
I got it from Amazon. It's the SIGTUNA 8mm- 35 inch long. Which is a medium duty segmented chain lock. About the biggest diameter that will fit between the swing arm and the wheel. Works well and not extremely heavy to carry.
Dualtron are really nices scooter. It’s expensive and it’s not waterproof I’m thinking of getting dualtron thunder but it sudden rain to much in where I lived.thanks
Hello, very nice video ! Can I use excerpts from the video (without sound) to illustrate what I'm saying in my video? This is for a french presentation video. Thank you for your reply. Yours sincerely 😉
Hi I’m buying the dualtron eagle which has the same motor as the DT3, I’ll be getting it in about 2 week but do you think I should switch to the dt3 or just stick with the eagle pro?
Jason Olinger love the eagle, very powerful and I get lots of range with it. The ride is very smooth. Wish it had a bigger wheels that’s all so maybe the DT3 is a better choice but I like also the size of the eagle
manoman0 You act like that’s a bad thing. China can make some of the best quality stuff out there if given the proper specifications and if they are held to a higher manufacturing standard. Which they are by Minimotors
Wow, it has been 3 years! No issues other than tires are soft and wear quickly. Didn't ride as much during covid but now have 2000 miles on it. I did replace the front brake with a Nutt caliper, which is about 20 percent better. It still is always ready, reaches top speed when asked, holds a charge, and is a pure joy to ride.
@@bellagio88 FalconPEV. The kit came with front/rear calipers and rotors. I took the EZ way out....the rotor would have required much work cuz they are 10mm larger if I remember. And the rear caliper design hit the tire. Probably with some work could of come up with shims/spacers. The front bolted on so decided to try it. Definitely works better than the original. But I decided not to venture too far in to the 'mod-ing' world.
@@DIYMark Ok thanks, btw my D3 has 1850 miles but I can only go up to 33 mph when charged to 65V. P7 @ 2 , P9 @ 1. Changed only the rear tire because it started having bulges on the side (from pot holes ?) front tire still good. Got many holes from nails etc, but the tire sealant I use in the tires plugged all the holes. I found a used D3 two year ago after reading your reviews. Tubeless tires was my #1 priority, coming from mt biking. You were right about lose bolts.
The price point is just madness. I understand that it is a high quality scooter but 3000$ is simply crazy. I got a Nanrobot d4+ from alibaba for just 900$ with the seat included. I know there is a difference in quality between the nanrobot and dualtron scooter series but you can get a 60 mph electric motorbike at this cost. I love dualtron scooters more than the nanrobot but the pricing is illogical.
Not really man. You are not only paying for better quality that you are also paying for the guarantee that you will be able to get support anytime you need it. A lot of stuff purchased from Alibaba is Either a well-made clone or you’re not going to get tech-support.
Hmmm. I'm not sure what you are referring to. But no oil. I did use a bit of dish detergent/water on the bead to get it slip over the rim. Was a challenge. Still I wouldn't hesitate to do them next time. Like anything it's easier each and every time you do it. I'm sure you can handle it if you are patient and perseverant.
I've had my Dualtron III for a couple of weeks now and your 2 reviews swung me towards paying extra for the superior quality and performance compared to most other powerful scooters. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Thank u, we are waiting for new rides! Happy New Year!
Very well done... well-spaced, spoken and a great deal covered. I have the Mini IV Pro and am going for the Dualtron Eagle.
I liked the comment about folding the stem to reduce noticeability when locking.
I am about to compost my first dualtron, I live in Korea and I have had a good time watching and looking for videos. To make the best choice. The reviews you give are very powerful and I imagine how powerful my dualtron 3 will be.
Elias Gabriel Soto Pacheco what do you mean by compost?
Thanks alot, first actual review that i find it talking about everything the scooter has.
Loved your video! In our country we just had some DT3 owners exceed 10000 kilometers so you can be assured your DT3 has the same potential to last with the same reliability we have here in the Philippines despite our poor road conditions and harsh monsoon seasons.
Great assessment! I have owned many scooters over the years as one of my primary commute options. I have enjoyed the 500w-1000w single motor scooters but wanted to try a power scooter. I then purchased a Kaabo Mantis dual motor scooter and loved the speed and acceleration. Unfortunately I got 4 flats in 300 miles of riding.
I then drove over to San Rafael which is just over the bridge for me in San Francisco. I spent a couple hours with Cooper at Minimotors and test rode the Dualtron fleet along with some Wepeds. I wanted the best solid tire option so I focused on the Raptor 2 and the very lesser known Compact. I decided to splurge for the Compact and haven't regretted the purchase. It is built so well and can take 3" drywall screw to the rear tire and still keep going. I agree with you that top speed isn't everything. It can cruise at 40mph but I enjoy the crazy acceleration and small, folding structure. It can fold down and fit in my very tight garage. Once you ride a Dualtron for a while it is clear the quality is there and with US support that is the frosting on the cake. Keep riding and having fun!
I'm thinking of getting the compact. Is the ride fairly comfortable and stable compared to the pneumatic tire Dualtrons? I'm on the fence between the III and compact? Thanks for your help.
@@mychaelpierce8049 The pneumatics are much more comfortable. However, I have done 25mile plus rides on the Compact without any problems.
Just received my Dualtron Thunder!! Absolutely Wicked FUN, around 40-43-mph things get sketchy!! 30-35 is the sweet spot
I really liked your first review and was eagerly looking forward to this update. As ever, yours is a thorough and engaging review. Btw we've both had the same problem with the switch selector. A good friend and dualtron expert who replaced it told me that it could be due to repeated handlebar folding and/or turning the handlebars too extremely to the left or right, especially when pushing it through tight spaces. Makes sense since this wire runs along the entire stem length.
Thanks much for the kind words. Glad you enjoyed it.
Mine wore through right as it exits the plastic "dualtron" stem cover. So my wear could have been to folding/unfolding. I noticed the plastic cover has a fairly sharp edge to it. I rounded the edge so hopefully it will keep the problem from returning. Was that where yours had issues?
Plus I like the bigger deck and tires, and 50mph vs 40 on the 3.
Can confirm the good things about MinimotorsUSA; they are great to work with and awesome customer service. Bought one scooter from them already and buying another soon. Plus they’re headquarters are close to me, so that’s a plus.
Great video. Thanks for sharing! I'm going to get this one or the Dualtron compact.
Love your video. I have upgraded the breaks to Shimano M7100 (which used on bikes, cost me 950 Chinese Yuan / 147 USD).Surprisingly, they work very well. And about the re-gen problem that you mantioned, it seems not to be a problem to me. I set it at level 3, and I usually use the re-gen function to slow the scooter from 60km/h (38mp/h) to 20km/h (12mp/h) , and use the Shimano M7100 breaks under 20km/h. In this way I can regen more power and save the breaking pads usage. Feel free to disscuss more about Dualtron :)
Great honest review. And a long term. Have you upgraded since?
Wow. Thank you for such great review!
Bravo. Excellent review.
Quality review. Cheers from Paris France
I was gonna get the dualtron 3, but instead got the thunder. I did have two motor controllers go out last week at the same time. But I was under warranty so got brand new ones installed and no issues after 400 miles.
Strange about the controllers. Any insight on why they failed? Bad production run?
@@DIYMark I am not really sure, yes very rare!!
Another thing, it costs less than $0.60 to go 50 miles compared to a car at $5-6 per 50 miles
Love mine to but still wish I would of spent extra few hundred for Ultra.
Hey thanks for the awesome review(s). I think this would be a perfect commuter vehicle for my town. Much appreciated. Cheers From Victoria BC
Very helpful review. Thanks!
Excellent video. Thanks 👌
U get the stem or steering tube play?
Great review and thanks. If there is one upgrade to be done it's the mt5e disc brakes, hi speeds should always be supported by stopping power, in addition the mt5e is single or dual finger braking.
Hey Freddie. Would love to connect with you and hear more about your experience with the magura brakes. Email me at askdiymark@gmail.com so we can start the conversation.
Your the coolest dude I've seen
Dualtron just came out with the Eagle pro. It has a lot of the specs from the 3 but is lighter. Would you reconsider the 3 if the Eagle was out when you purchased it?
Hmm. Price point is nice. I don't know much about it. Just judging from a quick look my thoughts would focus on the brakes... Just mechanical? The DT3's are just OK IMO. Would be concerned about anything less. But yeah looks like a sweet ride.
diymark do you still think the same way now? I’m stuck between getting one or the other
I live in the same area as you. I ride that same bike path that goes under the road and am looking to get a Dualtron 3 as well.
Small world. Flag me down if you see me next time. We can trade stories.
Awesome review
Do you ever turn on your stem lights?
Hi picked up a Thunder 3 last night I ordered from
a NYC shop, charged it all night & wanted to lift
stem to find metal part that hold silver locking
pins & set screws missing metal on both sides,
does Minimotors have a return policy, this looks
extremely dangerous???
I was seriously about to buy one of these. The steering stem wobble, weird index finger throttle and weak brakes were a complete deal killer for me. I was willing to shell out a couple thousand thinking I was going to get a high quality scooter. Thanks for saving me the disappointment had I bought it. I noticed your friend has the Lunacycle scooter. If you don't mind, what's your opinion on that one? It's cheaper in price and looks pretty nice. The Luna Apocalypse 3.
Do u still like it🤔 im thinking of ordering it today ?
Thanks for posting this video! I have a question. Im about 225 lbs and i was looking into this scooter. Would this be enough just to drive around the small towns of the central valley? I really appreciate your help! Ty
Hey Ty, more than enough. I think you'll be surprised how much power the DT 3 has. Decent range too.
diymark - thanks Mark!! I really appreciate it! Ive been wanting one and the market is so competitive. I feel they just keep coming with new technologies. I appreciate your help!
Very nice review enjoyed the video how’s your dualtron 3 holding up these days🤔🤔🤔
Is it ideal to carry to 2-3 floor building?
fantastic video, good pacing, language skills, its like a power point but more entertaining, you in toastmasters?
Thanks Matt! Glad you enjoyed it. No toastmasters...probably would help.
So question remains does $4,000 AUD 🇦🇺 justify 1 grand extra ontop of 2 Limited? Why didn't u get the thunder for 1 grand more??
Tough question. I guess I compromised over the thunder. And frankly it worked out great. The 3 is plenty of power and range. Most of my travels are around 20-25 MPH (bike trails/sidewalks) so higher top speeds really aren't necessary. But still would be fun to have more for the occasional white knuckle run!
Wow, you did a very excellent and thorough review of your scoot! The DT 3 looks like a great option and minimotors service sounds top notch. You mentioned that the brake pads didn't need replacement after 700 miles, would you say you had the regen braking on for most of that? In your opinion was it the regen brakes that saved your brake pads or was it just the fact that its a lot of brake a not a lot of scooter? Anyway, thanks again for the video!
Thanks for the nice feedback. Regarding the brakes...I only used regen braking for about the first 200 miles. Just didn't like it, so I turned it off. When I took the brakes apart (when I was changing tires) I was surprised how much braking material was left. There was very little wear. But I would also add that the pads do glaze over, meaning they get less effective over time. You really notice the difference when you install a new set of pads. I suspect the brake material is a bit too hard. I remember similar happening on some motorcycles I had years ago. There is a balance between getting the right hardness to get decent wear and soft enough to give good performance. IMHO.
Great review btw
I'm gonna be getting the 3 soon
Hello, may I ask you what kind of helmet do you use when you ride the dualtron? I have the eagle and looking for a full face and debating between the dirt bike style or the more heavy one for motorcycle. What’s your opinion?
Personal preference I would say. More protection is nice to have when you meet the pavement, but full coverage can be hot, bulky, and heavy. Mine is a HJC half helmet with built-in visor that I got at local motorcycle shop.
8:12 YES 15mph max range and over. they should sell them 60mph 30miles and you love it when go 15mph and you get 100miles from it
i really want know what is range if full blast. i not care max speed and max range bcoz it wont work same formula
Trying to decide between the eagle pro and the 3. Was range a factor for you?
Hi John. It was a bit easier for me at the time because the Eagle Pro was not available.There are a lot more choices now than 2 years ago. Range was definitely a factor but in practice it hasn't been a big issue. Most of my rides/commutes are less than 25 miles. The Eagle Pro looks like a nice ride. The only thing that would give me pause is the brakes. The DT3 has hydraulic brakes (albeit cable actuated) and they are just OK. I suspect full mechanical brakes will be more of a speed controller than a brake. Good luck in your quest for a new ride!
DIYMark thanks. The market is so saturated right now that it makes choosing one more difficult.
Can you let me know where did you purchase you lock to get one for mine can you update a link thx
I got it from Amazon. It's the SIGTUNA 8mm- 35 inch long. Which is a medium duty segmented chain lock. About the biggest diameter that will fit between the swing arm and the wheel. Works well and not extremely heavy to carry.
Dualtron are really nices scooter. It’s expensive and it’s not waterproof I’m thinking of getting dualtron thunder but it sudden rain to much in where I lived.thanks
Hello, very nice video ! Can I use excerpts from the video (without sound) to illustrate what I'm saying in my video?
This is for a french presentation video. Thank you for your reply. Yours sincerely 😉
Hello. I think we can work something out. Please email me at askdiymark "AT" gmail and we can discuss
Hi, how was your experience with flat tires in this scooter?
No more than expected. Picked up a nail more than once but slime has prevented flats. th-cam.com/video/28NPq0VrJ68/w-d-xo.html
Niiiiice review 😎👍
HELLO. ..SIR CAN YOU REVIEW AND EXPLANATION MAIKE KK10S PRO. ..
Hi I’m buying the dualtron eagle which has the same motor as the DT3, I’ll be getting it in about 2 week but do you think I should switch to the dt3 or just stick with the eagle pro?
so...hoes the scooter been the last two weeks? i'm debating on this or the Weped ss because i want more range.
Jason Olinger love the eagle, very powerful and I get lots of range with it. The ride is very smooth. Wish it had a bigger wheels that’s all so maybe the DT3 is a better choice but I like also the size of the eagle
I got mine a month ago from John minimotors!
Made In China.
manoman0 You act like that’s a bad thing. China can make some of the best quality stuff out there if given the proper specifications and if they are held to a higher manufacturing standard. Which they are by Minimotors
my new found love is seeing peoples scared faces for a split second while i fly passed them on my scooter lol
Time for a 3 year update, is it still running ? issues ?
Wow, it has been 3 years! No issues other than tires are soft and wear quickly. Didn't ride as much during covid but now have 2000 miles on it. I did replace the front brake with a Nutt caliper, which is about 20 percent better. It still is always ready, reaches top speed when asked, holds a charge, and is a pure joy to ride.
@@DIYMark Where did you get the Nutt caliper and was there any special adapter you had to get ? Did you have to change the rotors ?
@@bellagio88 FalconPEV. The kit came with front/rear calipers and rotors. I took the EZ way out....the rotor would have required much work cuz they are 10mm larger if I remember. And the rear caliper design hit the tire. Probably with some work could of come up with shims/spacers. The front bolted on so decided to try it. Definitely works better than the original. But I decided not to venture too far in to the 'mod-ing' world.
@@DIYMark Ok thanks, btw my D3 has 1850 miles but I can only go up to 33 mph when charged to 65V. P7 @ 2 , P9 @ 1. Changed only the rear tire because it started having bulges on the side (from pot holes ?) front tire still good. Got many holes from nails etc, but the tire sealant I use in the tires plugged all the holes. I found a used D3 two year ago after reading your reviews. Tubeless tires was my #1 priority, coming from mt biking. You were right about lose bolts.
4:54 turbo boost it so 80' who needs it. it climb hill eco mode max legal speed 25kph
It should have a back foot plate
The price point is just madness. I understand that it is a high quality scooter but 3000$ is simply crazy. I got a Nanrobot d4+ from alibaba for just 900$ with the seat included. I know there is a difference in quality between the nanrobot and dualtron scooter series but you can get a 60 mph electric motorbike at this cost. I love dualtron scooters more than the nanrobot but the pricing is illogical.
Not really man. You are not only paying for better quality that you are also paying for the guarantee that you will be able to get support anytime you need it. A lot of stuff purchased from Alibaba is Either a well-made clone or you’re not going to get tech-support.
2:30 its RANGE! 15mph and 250miles AWESOME i buy for 10k if there any. who want 60mph and 30miles lol
Hahahaha lol good review just like revzilla! Lol👍
@ 00:45 MADE IN CHINA????????????????? I was under the impression that Dualtrons are MADE IN KOREA??????????????? Dualtron EXPLAIN YOURSELF.
Designed in Korea, made in a factory in China. Same as iPhones.
Has anyone ever told how much you look like Andy Samberg in both looks and gestures?
4:14 yellow vest? Dude u don't know colors wtf? That's green all day lol
Papp Sebastian Georgian tell that to the yellow vest protesters in Paris
I feel you are too old to give me advice.
Did you have to buy the oil they have on the site to change the tires??
Hmmm. I'm not sure what you are referring to. But no oil. I did use a bit of dish detergent/water on the bead to get it slip over the rim. Was a challenge. Still I wouldn't hesitate to do them next time. Like anything it's easier each and every time you do it. I'm sure you can handle it if you are patient and perseverant.
diymark thanks
diymark I think of a sealant
diymark what size socket wrench does it take