The Tradition Behind Midsommar
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- What traditional elements and motifs of Old Scandinavian religion and Folklore can be perceptible in the horror movie Midsommar? - Exploring human sacrifices, runes, magic, divination, mythology and other concepts.
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Credits: Thumbnail is one of the movie posters used to advertise Midsommar.
If you are wondering about the runes expressed in the thumbnail of this video, which is one of the posters used to advertise Midsommar, and in the movie it is the rune stone to which the voluntary victims place their blood onto, we can honestly come up with a variety of explanations for the meaning behind the runes. But I cannot help to think that the choice of runes is pretty interesting ( ᛦ ᚱ ᛈ ). It starts with inverted Algiz (ᛦ). This rune is connected to a protective teaching force and spirituality in the sense of reaching a state of enlightenment. However, inverted, it expresses the banishment of the fear of death. But it’s curious because if we see this rune not as inverted Algiz but in fact as the Anglo-Saxon rune Calc or also as the last rune of the Younger Futhark (Ýr) it is related to death. It is a symbol of life and death and also related to afterlife and rebirth with a direct connection with the concept of the Tree of Life Yggdrasil (Yew tree). The next rune in the middle is Raidho (ᚱ), which expresses cosmic cyclical law and rhythm and it is directly connected to travel, movement and journey and in here seems to form a link between the first rune "death" and what comes next. The next and final rune is most likely Perthro (ᛈ), which is the unknown expressed in fate and in relation to prophecy; it is an evolutionary change by unknown means after a sequence of events that leads us to this change that can’t be foreseen. Somewhat through sacrifice you are rewarded with what cannot be perceptible by your choices and actions that led you to that final moment - unknowability. So I would say that the self-sacrifice that leads to death it will lead to - or will provide - favourable circumstances that most likely will be unknown to the person who died, because the beneficial outcome is not solely or entirely to the person who self-sacrificed but to others that might receive something beneficial. Sacrificing in many aspects is a "game" of chance - gambling with one's life - and the fate or outcome of the action is unpredictable. But on the other hand, my interpretation here might be too farfetched.
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If you are wondering about the runes expressed in the thumbnail of this video, which is one of the posters used to advertise Midsommar, and in the movie it is the rune stone to which the voluntary victims place their blood onto, we can honestly come up with a variety of explanations for the meaning behind the runes. But I cannot help to think that the choice of runes is pretty interesting ( ᛦ ᚱ ᛈ ) in the middle of the rune-stone. It starts with inverted Algiz (ᛦ). This rune is connected to a protective teaching force and spirituality in the sense of reaching a state of enlightenment. However, inverted, it expresses the banishment of the fear of death. But it’s curious because if we see this rune not as inverted Algiz but in fact as the Anglo-Saxon rune Calc or also as the last rune of the Younger Futhark (Ýr) it is related to death. It is a symbol of life and death and also related to afterlife and rebirth with a direct connection with the concept of the Tree of Life Yggdrasil (Yew tree). The next rune in the middle is Raidho (ᚱ), which expresses cosmic cyclical law and rhythm and it is directly connected to travel, movement and journey and in here seems to form a link between the first rune "death" and what comes next. The next and final rune is most likely Perthro (ᛈ), which is the unknown expressed in fate and in relation to prophecy; it is an evolutionary change by unknown means after a sequence of events that leads us to this change that can’t be foreseen. Somewhat through sacrifice you are rewarded with what cannot be perceptible by your choices and actions that led you to that final moment - unknowability. So I would say that the self-sacrifice that leads to death it will lead to - or will provide - favourable circumstances that most likely will be unknown to the person who died, because the beneficial outcome is not solely or entirely to the person who self-sacrificed but to others that might receive something beneficial. Sacrificing in many aspects is a "game" of chance - gambling with one's life - and the fate or outcome of the action is unpredictable. But on the other hand, my interpretation here might be too farfetched.
You dont have to review it but watch "the ritual" it's on netflix. It's about Juton. Shit is wild.
@Marshal Marrs which pagans though? Our modern mentality towards paganism of the past is like a garden of roses: Looks beautiful and romantic from the distance, but once you get closer the inconvenience of the thorns is quite uncomfortable.
I do believe your interpretation to be correct. Thanks for the time & effort you put into your videos. They're always very informative & highly enjoyable. Love the bloopers too, so funny! 🤓 Keep up the good work, it's greatly appreciated
@Marshal Marrs tibetian bon pagans not nicer ))
I found your interpretation of the runestone exceptional.
I feel like his name being christian has some semi literal significance. Especially to his not understanding of the event within the community.
I didn't even notice that! I think you're right
I think Ari Aster may have had a bad experience with a shiksa.
It meant a lot to me to hear another person express their perception of this movie, not as horror but rather as a folklore tale about the differences between traditionalist mentalities and modernist ones.
Never apologize for having so much knowledge and wisdom to share my friend. Thank you
I don't think the elders chose to give up their lives, I think they were forced to because they had reached the end of their life cycles. Throughout the movie the both of them look very stern/sad, which contrasts with the lady who told the foreigners that it's actually a great joy for them.
Im pretty sure she only told them that because they needed them there in order to sacrifice them. Might be wrong though, i was pretty stoned when I watched this movie last night LOL
They just spent their whole lives in the cult knowing what came at 72. They were okay with it. They are meeting their ends its surely a somber occasion. Hence why the others arent cheering or celebrating the ways most do.
The impression I got, especially when the 72 year old woman started to get tears in her eyes, is that they were both mourning the loss of the relationships with their friends and family in the cult. Even though ostensibly, they were supposed to believe that they would be reincarnated, I think what actually went through their minds (based on my interpretation of the emotions portrayed by the actors) was, like what if it's all BS? What if there is no rebirth, what if we just die, and that's it? Neither of the actors portrayed the sort of ecstatic bliss one would expect from someone who truly trusted in their gods and magic.
This is the BEST review for this movie! My sister and I were talking with each other about the 'creep' factor, and what it ended up being for us, was the modern day element, and the going from a low point in life to being assimilated by anyone who offers a big juicy carrot and some love-bombing. [Especially if it's accompanied by the threat of a horrific death if you decide it's not for you. Speaking from personal experience.]
I agree with most of what you say, but I really don’t think that the old couple voluntarily self-sacrificed. In this fictional pagan society they reached the end of the life cycle of 72 years and thus were expected to self-sacrifice by their traditions. The old couple seemed very uneasy and frightened about this, not happy
This is probably the most interesting video I’ve seen on midsommar
Really, really interesting stuff
Thank you for your commentary Arith! It's the best I've seen/heard so far on this movie.
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The outsiders don't die because of their inability to understand the traditions, it was all planned since the beginning. They were gonna be murdered even if they were respectful aha, maybe you didn't catch that ^^ They are the puppets of a scheme, as in hereditary. For me this movie is about reflecting on how individualistic society can be as bad as a cult (for me this is not really a representation of paganism rather than a cult with some elements of northern traditions). And how the modern solitude and taboo of death can lead to someone finding comfort in horror (the smile at the end).. So it's more about a criticism of monotheism and what it did to our society, rather than paganism, imo.
I don't think the two elders are voluntarily doing this, if you look at their faces. I think it's about being endoctrinated by a '' the end justify the means'' kind of mentality. You can see throughout the movies in the background people crying, isolated from the others, and stuff like that. It' s more about hiding your true feelings and individuality for the sake of the community. Everyone who is part of this community is a sacrifice, in the end.. Since they lost their individuality.
The bear can also be simply a reference to wicker man, which the movie is basically a remake.
Thank you for this video as always 😊
Azur Astellan Freyjafottir this is a very underrated comment
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Wicker Man, yes. My favorite movie. Arith's review here surprised me, but I largely concur. One thing this film has going for it is the wisdom of hindsite. The film's creator did try to depict some kind of an anthropologically realistic society/ritual for which suspension of disbelief could be possible for an average audience. As much as I love Wicker Man the whole thing where the enforcer dresses up like Punch and cuts capers sort of punched a hole in my ability to suspend disbelief in just that instant. What exactly WAS that?
the only thing I disagree with you on is your interpretation of the ending. It's not a meta comment on horror as a genre. Dani smiles because she sees all of these people openly expressing their emotions in a way that is so completely different from what she is used to. At the beginning of the movie, she is afraid of expressing her emotions because she doesn't want to drive Christian away, so now she is free of that worry and she is free of the codependent relationship that kept her from moving through the stages of grief. I am not saying that joining the Hagar will be a wonderful thing for her, but just that she finally feels a sense of catharsis after figuratively holding her breath for so long, which had no doubt been going on since the start of her sister's illness, waiting for the other shoe to drop. Now she sees tragedy in a less threatening lens.
I have never seen the film but, as always, your information is super easy to understand and extremely helpful. Your videos are like a class to me. Thank you for the time and effort you put into them!
This was absolutely fascinating. I was utterly spellbound.
Tack för idag, Arith
I watched this lastnight and really enjoyed it.
Really wish to know so much more now.
This is a good video.
Thanks.
super insightful! great video. thank you for sharing your knowledge
Another spot on presentation - many thanks Arith. From the directorial POV, there was considerable research into rituals of the time BUT alas a lot of conjecture and creative license. Some of the main pt's worthy of noting are 1.) the pagan Norse societal structure was not akin to a cult like this and even analyzing the more exclusive group collective's that did exist we have to factor in the Scandinavian fierce independent spirit ... this kind of hypnotic brainwashed cult as depicted in the film was inspired by the likes of the Manson cult and horror flicks so it is important viewers do not start believing the film includes literal authentic codes and echoes to actual ancient Scandinavian folklore. 2.) of the rituals depicted as historically practiced by the populace in Scandinavia, these are completely OTT in comparison and have leanings to horror and slavish brainwashed cult like mentality. 3.) sacrifice; the ancient cultural structure had shamanic roots and just like the American indigenous people, when hunting and gathering medicinal plants and herbs etc they would offer a blood offering (simple scrammasax cut to the fore-arm or thumb etc) to sacred plants and animals alike. Sacrifices were never petty, they factored in honour and respect. The bear sacrifice was totally bogus in that this animal was one of the most sacred animals of this time. The bärsärkarna were a shamanic clan devoted to one the of the chief most følgje (totem beings) of Ullr (bear) just like the sacred wolf, eagle and raven of Odin (and many other animals related to the other gods of their respective pantheon). The placing of a drug addled fool inside a gutted bear would be an insult not a fair offering to the gods. Most importantly, the Norse believed in total responsibility and acceptance of the orlog (fate) so once again they were fiercely independent not slavish so would never accept the sacrifice of a member of the populace against their free will. The extreme blood offerings such as blood eagles in war situ's differed in that the seer (prophecy via seidr) might appear to be against the captured person in Q' BUT you have to take into accn the early raid assumption that people would typically be expected to fall unto their own swords rather than be caught as a slave via battle and so in the case of capturing an important high class member of the opposing army, the sacrifice would be offered to them as a means of them being able to bridge into the after life (Valhöll/valhalla etc) with respect rather than a shameful death. There are loads of other ritualistic and culturally incongruous pt's worthy of noting although this at least offers a few pt's to weigh up for now.
I am ancestrally aligned via lineage and ancient lore of the Scandinavian people/culture and I can truly assure you their culture was a far cry from sheepish/slavish cult type makeup. You need only look to the ancient IndoEuropean migration whereby cross pollination of deep wisdom from Norse runic lore to the Vedas / Upanishads and Sanskrit can be observed.
Thanks for you're Truthful video's . Very informative 👍
Good analysis! Cheers🥂
While the voluntary sacrifice showed a bit of freedom on the end of the person volunteering, I think on the other hand it also showed fanaticism, like in a cult. I’m not sure how to view it. Thank you for sharing your knowledge
The elderly people didn't decide to die. They were age 72 which meant that they were required to. My grandma is older than that and she still paints, sews, and gardens. The old people in the movie weren't "forced" physically but they were forced by the culture.
6k year old runes found in Portugal?!? Nothing came up in Google, please do a video on this! I've often wondered if the pre Celtic megalithic builders were connected by runes, as well as religion, architecture, etc. They clearly traveled and had cultural exchanges. Thank you!
I will hehe. Meant to do that before but didn't quite had the time and it's a subject still under study by myself and others. I'm accompanying the study in northern Portugal with some of my professors (now colleagues). Just gathering enough info for a proper video :P
Honestly turning into a bear and having a wheelbarrow that takes me anywhere is my new dream thanks I guess
Beautiful insight, sir
Thanks for sharing. 🌺🌷🥀🌹🌼☀️🌄
I know this is an old video but I saw a parallel between ancient human sacrifices for the benefit of society and the kind of human sacrifice we tolerate today, which is the human sacrifice by our members of the military. Most of us look at the deaths suffered by our military members as a necessary evil in order for us to be safe. Granted our military members go willingly and are rightly given respect and admiration for it but I couldn't help but see the parallels. We believe the sacrifice of our military members is necessary for us to be safe they believed the sacrifice of people was necessary for them to be safe. It's not perfect but I thought it was interesting.
I enjoyed the movie myself. One thing that I noticed was that in the dining scenes, they have butter made in old house-shaped butter molds! That was so exciting!!
Some day I'd like to hear more about the Lusitanian goddess and her relationship to the runes :)
Thanks Arith.
When I saw the character in the bear suit at the end I couldn’t help but think that perhaps the director was trying to portray something like the Berserkers wearing bear skins. If I remember correctly he was also drugged out. This may be s reference to the (I know there’s no evidence) suggestion that berserkers used mushrooms to alter their mental state. I know this is a stretch but I have no idea what else it might represent.
There is a director's cut and spoiler alert below on 2 big deals about the movie too me .....
Dani actually could have saved Christian and picked someone to take his place . Connie was drowned .
Ari Aster’s writing has several themes that are repeated on Hereditary & Midsomar:
1. Male protagonist that don’t accept & are afraid of embrace the consequences of their actions ( Christian & Peter)
2. Female protagonist that are enabled to express their feelings & suffering that have a 180 change during the movie & end up expressing them in a extreme way.
3. Broken relationships between lovers.
4. Mentally disable persons are closer to the “source”
And my main doubt it’s with point number 4, does medieval people really consider mentally disabled child’s as mediums or oracles as is portrayed in Midsomar?
Arith,
I'm surprised you didn't go into detail about the quality of offerings. All religions practicing offerings or sacrifice used only the best quality or at least definitely not substandard goods to offer. To offer lesser quality and keeping better quality goods was seen as an affront to the gods.
From this perspective it makes sense that human sacrifice used only healthy and vital people. The old, the sick, and the disabled would be excluded as an inferior offering that may cause offense.
Yes, that is why I was surprised that they used the disrespectful one who urinated on the tree. I wouldn't want his energy in my ritual.
Hi, this video is very interesting and I'll definitely watch more of your content. You didn't really speak too much about the May Queen celebration, so I'd like to ask, was this an observable phenomenon? I know that there are several Maypole Dances, but they aren't really like what we've seen in the movie itself
Brilliant - your contribution to the discussion of Midsommar, underpinned by your learning, is really appreciated. Its a film that divides a opinion and seems to provoke strong reactions, me included. It has a hullicinatory, nightmarish quality, while I was watching it my understanding of what was happening was just out of reach, like in a dream. The portrayal of pagan beliefs in modern times is often banal and divested of darkness. I have all the time in the world for the Druids at Stoneghenge on the summer solstice, but their version of pagan rituals have little to do with the world view of pagan man.
Artih, I saw the movie and kind of liked it, in contrary with my initial thoughts that I would hate it because it could portray paganism in a negative light. Instead I found out a psicological fantasy thriller, worked with very good work in investiation. Some elements I found weren't truly protrayed for me, but worked fine in elaborate a sense of dread, as for example the bear, and the purge, and other stuffs I don't remember by now, but were more fiction than accurate just to create the fear.
I the other hand, I don't like Ari Aster but the direction was pretty good, visually is cool, and all technical job is very well done. Maybe is too long. Slow pace isn't precisely heavy, but, I reppeat is too long.
I just shared this video on my heathen group, and as soon as posible I will make the spanish subs!
Thank you for this.
I have to admit that I saw the trailer and thought it would be trash. Now I might have to watch it to at least see how they deal with ättestupan, the cliff scene. Thanks Arith 😁
Watch it then watch Truth Stream Media 's video review on it. It scared me more after watching it more so while I was watching it
It's good. I was able to sit through it and I cannot say that about many movies at all.
I’ve enjoyed this so much, I’m so glad I found your channel! Tusen tack❤️
Ok, now I need to see the movie!
One thing I’ve never been 100% clear on is if the outsiders were gonna be sacrificed no matter what. Like, let’s say everyone was super chill and went along and didn’t disrespect their culture, would they still have been sacrificed?
I think they would have done but probably may have lived to the final ceremony and might have been drugged instead of tortured to death
Absolutely no reason to apologise, not with a video so well researched and presented. If you were on campus, I believe that your lectures would be popular and packed.
😎 Be well and stay well!!
You mentioned about sacrifices in old Scandinavia 18:16 about people do not voluntarily accept to be sacrificed I immediately thought about a comedy show I'm currently watching. It's called Norsemen (Vikingane), and in the beginning of the first episode, a slave was walking a group of old men to begin the attestupa. The first guy, Bjorn, was convinced to jump because it was the "honorable" thing to do, and when he went "Splat" and everyone looked on in horror and just ultimately decided to banish themselves instead and have the slave come back and lie they did it.
Speaking of which, I would like to hear your opinion on that series and discuss its accuracy despite its comedic tone.
please do a video about the oldest runes found in northern portugal that you mentioned
I wish I was a patreon so I could ask him about the random symbolism of the animation/manga Attack on Titan. They have the Founding Titan Ymir and (s)he is one of the 9 titans that rule the Eldian race. Guess I'm going to have to save money.
Excellent approaches.
haven't seen the movie, but for a quick look i didn't see anything on this video about juhannus kokot, big fires that are lit on mid-summer's eve (in Finland at least).. are those not a tradition with norwegians?
At first this movie sounded like everything the movie "the village" wished it could have been hahaha
Dee Toxinz oh god The Village is an overrated mess
How so? The Village has nothing to do with ritual sacrifice of any kind. It's simply modern people trying to hide their own mini society in a forest away from the crimes they experienced themselves and they use made-up monsters to scare their denizens. Not similar to Midsommar at all. Like, some people wore white. Only parallel I see.
mind was blown when you said northern portugal :O
If they were trying to make an anti-pagan movie, they didn't entirely succeed.
Now, obviously, abrahamic theists will probably view it as such because *'conditioned reaction'* but some polytheistic reviews broke it down really well either from the "easter eggs" that, if you know what they are, scream what is going to happen or focus on the main character's journey into the community.
Hi, I like ur video, I have a question , I feel in love with the music, and I wish to know, if its an invention from the movie or exist this style of muisc, I mean, vocals, when swedish people are gathered around of a woman and she's sing, or when the group arrives to the village and some person are playing the floute, this music isnt in the soundtrack, I would like hear over and over, is very relaxing. thank you.
I think they were inspired by European folk songs, they often have pagan origins.
You can find them on TH-cam, though there are many styles so maybe you won’t find what you like right away.
Recently I watched a Romuva ceremony (Baltic religion), the chanting was out of this world : th-cam.com/video/JnFLiAiOHbg/w-d-xo.html
About the bear... Given that a sacrifice is indeed a sacrifice of spiritual energy given to the gods in exchange for prosperity in society, and that that spiritual energy has a relative value, shapeshifting Christian into a bear, i believe that would give him a dual value, both as a human being sacrificed, and as a bear being scrificed as well. What attributes does a bear have, that may give a good return when transformed from spiritual energy into material needs? I'd say force, strengh, power etc, ergo exactly what would be valued for humans in such a harsch reality as the viking era (wich you mentioned in the beginning). This is a lucky shot for me, but i feel there's a symbolic meaning that must correspond to the exchange made in the sacrifice itself.
Speaking of chanting, could you elaborate on what Ylva (the female Attestupa victim) says, while giving a toast?
How do I find out what my rune stone is? Tack
I don't think the film is a criticism to Nordic beliefs, same as the horror films about Christian sects are not necessarily anti-Christian. However, indeed, it would be nice more films like these but in a more positive light of the beliefs.
Interesting! I'll have to do some research about runes and whether Portugal expresses some ownership of them, and the ramifications this has for Germanic people. Overall, for me, the film is not super great. It's good, but just good. Also, it does play with night-time tropes but yes, it uses daylight well and uniquely.
I agree I don't see midsommer as a horror movie either.....I really liked the concept.
It's my opinion that the bear and queen is connected to the constillations. Ursa Major (big bear) and Cassiopeia (queen of the north) these constillations are near each other in the sky. Astrology shows as important to them and is the reason Christian is chosen to "mate" with Mia.
The way the sacrifices were set out in the temple also felt either astrologically connected or something to do with tarot one of the sacrifices was the fool (leap of faith, new beginnings and planet is Uranus in tarot)
There is one thing I'm having trouble figuring out and wondered if you or someone in the comments could help?
When Dani is crowned queen and carried off on the platform a male face appears in the trees who is it, what does it represent? Everything in this film has purpose in my opinion so this face must too.
very good movie. I love folk horror
I thought it was a nod to the name of the combination of 3 protection runes called the ber runes ....i thought maybe it was a way of asking for protection
This was an amazing video.
I'm curious though if anyone has any idea about a few things from the movie.
1. Do you think the old man jumped straight down as part of the tradition or was it a botched suicide just so Ari Aster can show how they handle it?
2. This video talked about the locals being willing sacrifices but in the event that someone comes to 72 and is not willing would they then be forced anyway? Or just cast out from the village?
3. Was there anything more to their inbred prophet child that I'm missing? It seemed like a less thought through part of their culture. My best interpretation is that its just a conduit for biased writings and declarations because his art is just "interpreted". But he didn't need to exist for the one guy to be killed because any kind of traditional writing would have lured him in.
4. What was the meaning of the leg in the garden?
That's all, I think. Sorry for the long post.
Everyone is powerless, and by making the conduit inbred they are physically incapable. Even the may queen is a queen ultimately without real power
I read that the 4 sacrifices were the 4 elements. The leg in the garden is obviously earth. The bear suit man was fire. The woman hanging suspended as a blood eagle is air and I forgot how the other guy died but it was water related....oh yea! He urinated on their ancestral tree.
I’m a year late but I heard something about the leg. I read that the cult is also a representation of fascism and white supremacy, instead of Josh, the black character of the group, being sacrificed like the others in fire, he is buried poorly hence the leg.
@@Janellabelle Connie was drowned, her fiance Simon was hanged with the blood eagle.
Even though the Vikings glorified death too, the religion shown in the movie is such an offshoot of Norse paganism that it might as well be its own religion (Hårgaism). I honestly can't tell if the Vikings would accept them or kick them out for being too extreme. They don't even mention the gods by name! They don't even sing in Swedish OR Old Norse, it's confirmed that they just sing in tongues!
I assume it's based on Swedish culture, not exclusively Vikings.
Is your accent Portuguese or Scadinavian? (or both?)
I ask because your english has very strong hints of European Portuguese
Can you find me some examples of swedes sacrificing humans?
I agree that Midsommar doesn’t really feel like a horror movie. Like, the cult wasn’t pure evil like the cult in Hereditary. If they didn’t kill outsiders, I’d say the Harga were find to stay secluded and stick to their old ways.
I think the ending scene was just basic horror porn/revelation scene and didn't even try to be historically correct in any way. Maybe there's some symbolism in the fact that the guy who was sacrificed was called Christian and that Dani chose him in rage instead of devotion to the gods.
I wonder what would happen if as an european animist I would direct a jewish folk horror movie where I purposefully turn every aspect of jewish folk life and spirituality to madness, violence, perversion to create an original, innovative horror movie which is will indirectly serve as the basis for most people to understand jewish folklore.
I wonder how many religious jews or kabbalist jews would praise my work, and only care about the cinematography and realization.
I wonder how protective ethnic organizations would ignore or support it.
I wonder how the international press would support it.
Great question. I think we all already know the answer to that.
Hear hear. Look at all these grugs watching the work of Ari Aster as though it's an informative, trustworthy source for understanding traditional European culture and customs.
Also, >implying Jewish folk life isn't already madness, violence and perversion.
"Judaism is a sensible religion for rational people" says the Rabbi before biting off the infant's foreskin as a sacrifice to YHWH.
I believe the title of that movie is golem,,,,
The director of a fictional horror movie shouldn’t be held to a standard of replacing education on actual folklore. I think any level headed person would know this is just a wild story *influenced* by the aesthetics of another culture and nothing more. Anyone who would use a horror movie as education shouldn’t have their opinions taken seriously, anyway.
Mt first thought on the bear part was like sacrificing him to become a bear after his death? Lol
What's the significance of the number 9
That's a weird question because at this very moment I've made a post at my patreon speaking of that. Coincidence. Eventually I shall do a video speaking about that.
I have heard references to an iron wolf but not a bear. Perhaps it has to do with that. I think it’s Slavic though. I don’t know much.
Very interesting insight here for sure, but I'm not entirely sold on the Harga not being evil, or this film not really being horror. The Harga pick off the outsiders one by one, conceal the deed, and lie about it. Dani's loss of her family and vulnerability is also a crucial aspect here in regards to Pelle targeting his "friends" and why she was the one he was most excited about bringing there. Lines up with the cult mentality and predatory patterns.
If we want to say the Harga simply dont see things the way the outsiders do and are simply steeped in tradition, Pelle should know better, having been exposed much more to the outside world. He would've made sure his "friends" weren't accidentally sacrificed, it was merely a visit right? Nothing to worry about. He offered the group no warnings and was unfazed with their continued disappearances and ultimately their stuffed bodies. In fact the only kind of reassurance Pelle offers is directly to Dani in private, taking advantage of her vulnerability, relating to her loss and even probes her doubts with her relationship with Christian. Completely sleezy cult recruitment.
The Harga (the group specifically depicted in the film) are evil, Dani was sucked in, the outsiders were preyed upon and deceived. It's a horror movie through and through.
absolutely. I watched the film with a completely open mind, but the "community" is a cult of psychopathic murderers no matter how you look at it, the "sharing" (aka mimicking) of emotions is creepy and not "traditional", and I'm sure the ending, when Dani's horrified frown turns into a maniacal evil smile, simply shows her finally losing the remnants of her already precarious sanity.
So if this film is a realistic depiction of pagan societies, then I'll pass^^
Watching the movie MidSommar, I realized that everything is interlaced with "cattle" and [concave] in more entrenched traditions than comparing it to a Zionist urban modernity with complex (convex) themes. It would be an example to cite the holy (convex) bible and community scrolls in the film that are open to writing [concave]. would be the 90 (convex years) and 9 [concave days] cited in tradition in the quoted film.
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Sami?
An interesting subset to the argument around 20:30 starting, about human sacrifice and some subset of dignity... this is specific to discussions of human sacrifice in European societies, in my experience. Much hullaballoo is made of human sacrifice in Pacific Islander cultures, for example, with entirely different treatment. White people like to talk about other pre-Xtian cultural practices as if animistic traditions were not in our own history too, instead of giving Brown and Black peoplesʻ traditions that same dignity of treatment. Like it made more sense when white people did it than in other places around the world.
I wonder if Christian was named literally.
Read Marie Cachet's Ths Secret of the She-Bear and you will understand that symbolism :)
Hmmm I see your hidden message in here Senor Arith, your idea of sacrificing old people is just an expression of your desire to rid yourself of a red haired Scots Viking.
Please do a video about Beowulf, believed to be the oldest story written in the English (of the day) language, with Danish roots. If you don't have a translation I would be glad to provide one for you. Please let me know.
Hello my dear friend! Haven't heard from you in a while. Well, possibly my fault there; I haven't been in the comment section for some time. It's such a lovely and positive place to be, quite reinvigorating :P
Does Tokien's Beowulf counts? :P Well, I might have some other version in the shelf.
I grew up with old people and dying people, and it's sad for me to say that I'm better at dealing with the old and dying than the young or those closer to my age. There is always something positive and negative in everything. In a way, I am a bit prepared for what's to come, but I feel like I haven't properly appreciated life.
@@ArithHärger In my opinion, the best translation of Beowulf was made by Seamus Heaney in 2002.
I'll look it up, sounds interesting.
You are so right about euthanasia. I believe both my parents would have opted for it if it were widely legal in the US. It would have been far kinder than the slo, painful death they experienced
Same. My aunt who raised me died over the course of a LONG 2 year wasting away, bed ridden, and dementia ridden where she didnt even know what was going on for a year at least. She got so skinny she looked like a holocaust victim she was so skinny and it was horrible. Just horrible. She didnt deserve that. However in Midsommer the elderly people who jump are in no way incapacitated in any way so badly that they needed euthanasia.
@@Janellabelle but as we get older we know our time has come. The food we eat, the care we need takes away from the resources to care for the young, to care for our descendents.
You don't have to be at deaths door to recognize how your continued existence impacts others
You clearly dont come from a culture that honors the elderly.
@@Arginne right because sitting by my mother's death bed while cancer ate her face, while she was so high on morphine she didn'tknowwho she was, while she couldn't eat and looked like a skeleton with a Tumor for a head. Ya. That in no way honored my 90 ye old mother!
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Wait you talk about traditons but dont talk about the Attesupa? Did you miss the point of the old people jumping off the cliffs?
666 like and I love this
I absolutely disliked the film on a deep level but it’s nice to hear about the tradition it was based on. Thanks for being so educating as always!
I only saw bits and pieces before I got fed up but I felt like its underlying purpose was to make pagans and small rural European communities look bizarre and evil
People want to paint ancient norse people as barbaric. Chistianity was forced on the nordic countries christianity and ant other religion had nothing to do here
The bear is symbolic of the hyperborean race , the name Christian this to is symbolic. The pyramid and the first name of the director disclose the nefarious intention.Beware.
Right? Classic example of the merchants attempt to subvert and destroy true European history and culture
What does the name symbolize and what are the nefarious intentions?
@@adopteeinamerica2201 "Ari" is a common Hebrew first name & "the merchants" is a derogatory term for Jews.
The *square* based Pyramid is associated, among other things, with the Freemasons & Illuminati.
In other words, the two above are parroting "Judeo-Masonic conspiracy theory" rhetoric & implying some "nefarious" zeitgeist-esque "zionist" intent on the director's part to "subvert" European/"Aryan" culture. Paranoid antisemitic propaganda popular with white nationalists & groups like QAnon.
(Regarding what the symbolism *actually* means in the movie:
Henrik Svensson, the film's Swedish production designer, has spoken in interviews about the architectural design of the fire temple, which has a *triangular* [not square] base. The *three* walled pyramid design of the fire temple is meant to represent 3 connected triangles, signifying 3x3=9 to reflect the cycle of 9 sacrificial victims every 90 years.
As far as the bear goes, in particular sewing Christian into it, it's been alluded that the fictional Hårga villagers have adopted the Bear as the totemic representation of their People [the villager whose name is drawn in the lottery, who would have been sacrificed if Dani had chosen to spare Christian, is named Torbjörn/Þorbjörn meaning "Thor's Bear" or "Thunder Bear"; it's an animal the villagers both revered the power & fearfully respected the destructive capability of]
& the final sacrifice is representative of what they consider the most negative attributes or "affekts" [which the isolationist villagers believe to be at least in part contributed to by the tainting influence - ignorant disrespect, callous emotional indifference, etc. - of encroachment by the outside modern world; hence why at least 4 of the sacrifices needed to be outsiders]. In sewing Christian into the Bear, they're symbolically having him *embody* the Outsiders' spiritual corruption of their People in order to purify themselves of that corruption, as stated by the recitation from their scripture before lighting the temple on fire; "Mighty & Dreadful Beast, with you we purge our most unholy affekts".)
Terrible movie. Not original. Basically wickerman repackaged.
I notice you didn't mention the constant hallucinogen use. You're much more forgiving to this movie as a movie than me.
It isn't much of a surprise, but you sure have a lot of fans with fucking terrible opinions
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Why do you pretend to be Scandinavian? You even put on some sort of Norwegian accent to speak English lol. You're Portuguese.
He never pretended to be anything, he has openly said several times including in videos that he is from portugal, but he happens to have scandinavian ancestry. He shared on his facebook his dna test and turned out 40% portuguese and the other 60% is germany, france, neatherlands, spain, denmark, switzerland and sweden. That "norwegian accent" you speak of btw, I think you don't know how a norwegian speaking english sounds like lol, because I'm norwegian and I don't recognize his accent at all from anywhere.