Good video. I learned the C temperament in school in 1980. Later passing the test F temperament. Now I use the Accu tuner. And listen. Over all I think the ETD has brought the tuning quality up a little. Especially if you use your ears and the ETD. You can get a good temperament then if needed use your ears to refine it.
I love the work you do and that you show it to us. I have gotten several ideas, the question is, there are times when you do checks with notes that are not previously tuned, how can you be guided by those notes if they have not yet been tuned. I hope I have explained myself. Thanks again.
Your check notes don’t have to be tuned correctly, they just have to be close enough to produce a beat to listen to. When comparing beat rates, all that matters is whether one interval is faster or slower than the other. Such is the case with M3-M10, M3-M6, and M6-M10 tests. Hope this helps.
Nice video, thank you! When tuning 4th's and 5th's, are you listening to some partials like you would when tunin thirds? Or do you just rely on knowing the sound of a 4th or 5th?
To be honest I don't know if I'm listening to partials or not on 4ths and 5ths... What I am listening to however is whether the interval is WIDE or NARRROW as well as how many BPS (beats per second). 4ths are wide and 5ths are narrow, and they move slowly - 5ths are 1 bps or less and 4ths are about 2bps. Update: Every interval has a coincident partial that you listen to when tuning. To figure out what that is just go up the overtone series from each note and the first partial you get to that is the same is, by definition, the coincident partial. Once you have found that, you can “ghost” it by silently holding down each note of whatever interval you tuning and striking that coincident partial. You’ll hear a beat. For 4ths that will be about 2bps. For 5ths less than 1. Hopefully that gives a little more context.
When you're tuning octaves and running the 3rd-10th test, do you try to keep the beats the same or are you aiming for the 10th to beat a little faster?
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Thanks so much for making this video. As an aspiring piano tech, it's really helpful to see experienced aural tuners in action!
Glad you enjoyed it!
wow, fine looking tuning wrench, must be state of the art...
It's a Fujan lever, carbon fiber. They are, rightly, becoming ubiquitous......
Thanks for posting. Here are some timestamps comparing before and after.
Parallels 3rds
Before: 0:42 - 0:52
After: 21:27 - 21:47
Parallel 4ths
Before: 0:54 - 1:05
After: 22:08 - 22:36
Parallel 8ves
Before: 0:34 - 0:41
After: 23:32 - 23:43
It's neat to hear someone tune the stack of thirds very similar to how I was taught. Nice temperament, YC sticky pins and all. 🙂
Good video.
I learned the C temperament in school in 1980.
Later passing the test F temperament.
Now I use the Accu tuner. And listen.
Over all I think the ETD has brought the tuning quality up a little.
Especially if you use your ears and the ETD.
You can get a good temperament then if needed use your ears to refine it.
I love the work you do and that you show it to us. I have gotten several ideas, the question is, there are times when you do checks with notes that are not previously tuned, how can you be guided by those notes if they have not yet been tuned. I hope I have explained myself. Thanks again.
Your check notes don’t have to be tuned correctly, they just have to be close enough to produce a beat to listen to. When comparing beat rates, all that matters is whether one interval is faster or slower than the other. Such is the case with M3-M10, M3-M6, and M6-M10 tests. Hope this helps.
Very good!!
Great jobs
Thank YOU!
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Nice video, thank you! When tuning 4th's and 5th's, are you listening to some partials like you would when tunin thirds? Or do you just rely on knowing the sound of a 4th or 5th?
To be honest I don't know if I'm listening to partials or not on 4ths and 5ths...
What I am listening to however is whether the interval is WIDE or NARRROW as well as how many BPS (beats per second). 4ths are wide and 5ths are narrow, and they move slowly - 5ths are 1 bps or less and 4ths are about 2bps.
Update: Every interval has a coincident partial that you listen to when tuning. To figure out what that is just go up the overtone series from each note and the first partial you get to that is the same is, by definition, the coincident partial.
Once you have found that, you can “ghost” it by silently holding down each note of whatever interval you tuning and striking that coincident partial. You’ll hear a beat. For 4ths that will be about 2bps. For 5ths less than 1. Hopefully that gives a little more context.
Good job👍👌
Thank you so much 😀
Why do I hear beats clearer in this video than when I tune my own piano -_-
it’s something that you begin to hear more overtime. i can’t listen to anything without hearing beating anymore…. kinda drives me nuts.
hey man ,may I ask you a question plz? I saw you had used two kind of tuning levers , fujan and Carbon, which one do you think is better?
When you're tuning octaves and running the 3rd-10th test, do you try to keep the beats the same or are you aiming for the 10th to beat a little faster?
10th should be same speed or slightly slower
Как неправильно вывел в камертон ,так дальше и пошло...слух нужно тренировать на соотношения интервалов,особенно с низкой частотой биений,а захватывая в начальной стадии большое количество звуков,в конечном итоге получаем неровную гармоническую вертикаль по всему диапазону...
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4th & 5th should be quite
Computer check means nothing: the device is an order of magnitude less accurate than it is precise. Humans > computers now and forever.