@xarchist His word didn't change. His wrath did based upon repentance. Had Ninevah continued without repenting, they would have been destroyed on time.
✝️ 👨👩👧 🇺🇸 Leviticus 26: 14But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; 15And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: 16I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. 17And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. 18And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. 19And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
I bet! Those who fellow the devil will tell you that! It’s been gay people for thousands of years and now god gonna change his mind! Where the proof? And why not everybody around the world share this view
@@Kelvin-k8n so that sounds like what the religious people said to Jesus christ. You make the LGBT look like him. You may not be who you think you are.
Immutability is one of God’s attributes. God doesn’t change Who He is at His core, but He does sometimes change course. This is usually in response to how people and circumstances change. Has God changed His opinion on marriage and sexuality? I believe the burden of proof is on anyone who says He has. I don’t think this book lays out any good arguments. I agree that the authors’ position seems to be predicated on personal feelings and is not in submission to God’s revealed Word on the subject. They are practicing exegetical gymnastics.
✝️ 👨👩👧 🇺🇸 Leviticus 26: 14But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; 15And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: 16I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. 17And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. 18And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. 19And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
The Bible was NOT designed for us to change it. The Bible is designed for IT to change US . God's word is ever lasting. It is the same as it was in the beginning. It will be the same until the end of time.
Great interview! I struggle with SSA, and I agree with everything said! Keep defending GOD'S truth Sean and Rebecca! The church needs you! GOD bless both of you!
@@eddiejones5702 - Maybe you’re just gay and that’s the end of it, eh? Get rid of the religious guilt tripping, embrace who you may really be, realign your values to more modern ones, and Stop The Struggle! Because, in truth, there isn’t really one. ❤️
@@eddiejones5702 to be happy in your life you should accept who you are. homosexuality is natural, god loves you no matter if you're straight or gay ❤️
@eddiejones5702 His Word says, Resist the Devil and he will flee from you. It’s so true! I struggled with this in HS and college. I knew it wasn’t of God and prayed against it. I would quote the verse I just wrote out and would say it out loud. When I finally told someone I struggled with this I was so relieved! I sobbed and they didn’t shame me. They prayed for me. Maybe 2yrs later all the SSA went away. All of it! After years of fighting, praying, the spiritual warfare which I could feel and was scary at times, it all went away. Gos is so good and so faithful! IGNORE the lies the enemy tells you about yourself and that others spew at you as well to just “give in.” Keep resisting and the enemy will flee! Keep worship music on often, even at a Bert low volume if you don’t enjoy it. It helps a lot.
@@kimiko54-h3b Ok, so I don't believe homosexuality is natural. Totally unbiblical. Secondly, I'm extremely happy! LOL.. Agree that GOD loves me regardless of my struggle with my sexuality. But that doesn't mean HE approves of sinful sexual behavior! He certainly doesn't. I'm a Bible believing Christian. That means something! You may not be. That's fine. You have a different standard for your life. You're free to have that. But I love GOD more than I love what I'm tempted by! Sexual or otherwise. I appreciate you trying to encourage me. Seriously. But we just seem to have a different world view when it comes to sex and sexuality. GOD created sex and has every right to tell us how it supposed to function in the world. And HE has! I can't change the rules to suit my "taste" in sex! Again, appreciate the conversation and the encouragement. GOD bless you.
@NickGagnon-u1v No ... God commands we love Him above all else & that includes above those we love on this earth. We so often fail at this. I've never known religion... only God through the person of Christ. I chose to leave my heterosexual immoral lifestyle behind when I surrendered to Christ in order to honor His word...those with SSA may do the same.
@NickGagnon-u1v no, it's not dumb. It's truth before compassion. Because putting truth before compassion, gives smart compassion. I will not live a lie for my children.
Thank you for your testimony. As a mother with a gay daughter (who sometimes also claims to be a boy) engaged to a lovely girl, I can love them both and still be a beacon back to Jesus, to truth, to God. I love my daughter, but she is the poster child for how this behavior goes hand in hand with behavioral sink. It's not just the same sex relationship. She has no foundation. She is fragile. She can't trust herself, because she doesn't tell herself the truth. I gave her a foundation, and she refused it, and I will do her no favors by jumping into the foundationless void with her. Prayers for you and your son.
@NickGagnon-u1v that's absurd. I don't have a single loving relationship in my life that asks nothing of me. Even my dogs and cats love is aggressive. More so my children. More so my spouse. They have every right to my love. And if I cut myself off from loving them, I would hurt everyone involved, including myself. That God wants my highest priority to be serving perfect truth and peace is going to put my life in order faster than anything else could. And it makes me immune to lies like the ones you are trying to spread. Get in touch with the Divine, my friend.
To be honest, I don't think we even have to have these conversations anymore. By now, every time we raise the question all over again, it seems to suggest that we are still deliberating the issue, which is just false: we aren't. It's settled theology, and theology is a much firmer source of knowledge than any alleged settled science of the day.
Why is it that they want to reform many churches that are against this. Simply go to a church that believes it's okay. But somehow that's not what they really want.
Breathing words towards this topic just fans the flames more. Ignore it and hopefully it dwindles away. That being said, LGBTQ people are still encouraged to come to church. After all, Christ invites all the sick and suffering, for he is the healer. Just don't expect to leave the church as ill as you arrived.
Josh explains why he keeps doing videos on this topic. It’s because it keeps getting brought up, not because he is waffling. He feels he has to respond to new arguments, even if, as he points out, they are not really new.
For people who think it is cruel to expect someone to remain celibate because they are only attracted to the same sex, I have a couple of questions for you. Is it also cruel to expect an unmarried person who has not found a partner to remain celibate? What about someone like myself who was married to a man who suffered from severe dementia for the last eight years of his life and was unable to participate in sexual activity. Should I have been free to dishonour my marriage vows and be excused if I felt the need to commit adultery? He passed away four years ago and I am still a widow. Should I engage in sex outside of marriage if I don't meet someone who is interested in marriage? Sex is great and I enjoyed very much having a healthy sex life, but I have found that when there is no righteous way of fulfilling that desire, God gives me grace to simply not "awaken desire before its time." I for one can assure you that it is only a struggle if you allow your thoughts to dwell on sex when there is no way to have sex without sinning.
@@kimiko54-h3bIt has to do with what sex was designed for. God our Creator gets to say, and He does. His laws and restrictions are not oppressive. They are for our own good and the greater good.
Ask yourself!! How ignorant your God Jesus is!!!?? Yet you worship the guy delusional who claims himself the son of God!! Jesus is equal to ABDUL!!!😮😮😮
Lord God, please take the scales off the eyes, ears, hearts, and minds of all the people being led astray by this type of teaching, my son and his partner included. Help them to have an encounter with Your love that will allow them to make a God-honoring choice instead of a self-honoring one. May Your kindness lead these authors and this whole community to repentance. We know You are able to do more than we can ask or imagine and we are begging You to do exactly that in this situation. Thank you so much for hearing this heartbroken mother’s prayer.
This is one of the most relevant and important conversations I have heard recently. The framing of the points was very well argued. Thank you so much for this conversation. God is the same today, yesterday and forever more. He does not change
We must always share Truth -- in 2008, I was a gay-identified man, in a committed, monogamous same-sex relationship, active in an affirming church, where we called ourselves gay Christians. Then I found myself in an ICU where the medical team classified me clinically dead after a 22-minute flatline. I experienced death, judgement and hell. When I couldn’t take any more demonic torment, I cried out in repentance, “Jesus!” and I heard the Savior say, “I am here.” At that moment, I saw with my eyes the Wind of the Holy Spirit fill myself ICU and with great power, He pick up Satan and the demonic and blew them out of the room. On that day, my life changed, the redemptive Blood of Jesus cleared my mind of perversion and completely healed and restored every failing organ. Glory to God!
Child sacrifice was never in God's mind. "They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind." -Jeremiah 19:5
Leviticus 18: 6¶None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD. 7The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 8The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness. 9The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. 10The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness. 11The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 12Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman. 13Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman. 14Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt. 15Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 16Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness. 17Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness. 18Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time. 19¶Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness. 20Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her. 21And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD. 22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 23Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. 24¶Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
I guess they're leaning more into the assumptions and interpretation than what the Bible clearly says about this topic. Matthew 5:18 I think they want to add strokes and letters to the word.
I pray someone will get my 2 children to view you two. I have tried to send this to them and they refuse to even look at it. Please pray for them for enlightenment on this topic.
Pretty good video on the whole. I see you sparked a debate in the comments as to whether God changes His mind or not. You're right that it's a topic of debate by many scholars for decades. If not centuries. But that doesn't stop the overnight internet theologians from weighing in on the matter. And, as usual, the comments only serve to show that most haven't studied the issue nor actually put much thought into it. I may have missed it but I heard the phrase "sexual orientation" mentioned a few time and I don't recall that being addressed. If I recall correctly, Sean gives that merit. I'm curious as to whether Rebecca does? I don't. Here's why: One's sexuality is much like a compass. A compass has a Creator. Just like a human does. The Creator of a compass has "oriented" the compass to always point to the north. So any compass will point north as it is supposed to do UNLESS someone brings it near a magnet. Then one can make the compass point any direction it wants to or spin wildly outta control. God never changes and His Word remains the same. It is the only compass that always points to true north. God is the Creator and He has created Man to be oriented to Woman and vice versa. SIN is the magnet that draws one's sexuality away from its true direction and "orientation".
Coming from the same place that Dr. Mclaughlin comes from, I sometimes wonder about the "Heart" these affirming people have for LGBT people. I definitely have a heart for my former friends in the lifestyle. I don't want them to go to Hell.
I think their number one problem is that they start with the conclusion, or what they want to be true. And then they abuse philosophy, theology, and the Bible itself to get there. They don't start with, "what does the Bible say?" And then decide how to line their lives up accordingly. The extremely dangerous position they put themselves in is that of gods themselves judging the one true God.
God NEVER changes His mind. Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His mind." 1 Samuel 15:29 "He who is the Glory of Isreal does not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man, that He should change His mind." Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever."
@NickGagnon-u1v You don't sound like you're biblically educated. Christ and the new testament FULFILLED the law and that prophets, not contradicted it. And evidence of The coming Messiah is found throughout the OT.
@@ijansk First and foremost, of course, you must get your rocks off by referencing God as an "it." Predictable. God rebooting the world doesn't mean He changed His mind about having a world. And He knew since prior to the beginning of time that this would be the outcome.
@NickGagnon-u1v But what you said--that God changed His mind by having a new testament, evidences your misunderstanding of it. Jesus Himself stated that He came to fulfill the law, not negate it. Jesus speaking: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them." (Matthew 5:17) Therefore the NT is not a change of mind by the Father, but an edification.
@NickGagnon-u1v Mixed fabrics were to the Israelites and comes under the umbrella of ceremonial law. The abomination of same sex relations comes under moral law, which is to everyone for all time--past and future.
Dr. McDowell, I love your ministry very much. I'm 13 and I ask you to please continue this for the sake of teenagers and young people like me. I was wondering if you could you please create a video defending Christian sexual ethics. I've been struggling with a lot of people saying that Christian sexual ethics is about a bunch of prudes trying to make people suppress their sexuality. I've been struggling with p*rn, and my whole Christian worldview. I have lots of questions. I know God is real and the Bible is true. But I have other questions concerning culture. Are Christians bigots when they reject LGBTQ ideology? Are we prudes when we say wait for marriage? Thank you for your work.
I just want to encourage you to keep seeking Biblical answers to your questions. I am in my 50s and still recovering and untangling from the lies I was told about the Bible and Christianity as a teenager and younger adult, and on into my early 40s. I am now very grateful I didn’t die in my rebellion and sin. The Bible really does hold the answers that you need. From my own experience, sex with anyone outside of marriage causes damage in multiple ways. It leads to bondage, not freedom. Sean has more content that may be of help to you. The “best life” really is living with Jesus as “Lord” (the one to whom you submit in all your ways) because he is completely trustworthy and only has your very best at heart. Disobedience may seem “better”, but there is *always* a cost that is often hidden in the moment, and the devil (who has been a liar from the beginning) is out to destroy you or make you ineffective in your witness to The Good News. Praying for you!
If it helps, Trent Horn has several videos on this. Also there is a “Theology of the Body Institute” channel which covers sexual ethics and human relationships.
Demonic oppression is the reason we avoid sexual sin and pursue purity. Demons want to steal from us, kill us and destroy us. A heart that responds to God is on the pathway to holiness through purity and receives true peace and love. If there is one speck of manipulation then the soul is not fully surrendered. Like Ananias and Sapphira in Acts holding back honesty from the Holy Spirit.
oh sex is fun ... I'm of an age where sex is problematic - this disappoints me. If you want to be a Puritan that is your choice. But that that doesn't change the chances of either of us being saved.
@ What’s truly fun is being in the fellowship and the will of God. That’s the fun that never ends. You’re valuable and the Lord has a plan for you that doesn’t include sexual sin. You can respond to Him and be set free from demonic oppression and have peace in your heart, and eternal life.
@@russellmiles2861 And let me also say it’s Him who delivers from these things, you aren’t enabled to live free until you surrender fully to Jesus. He knows how much you need His help and is very willing for you to fully trust Him.
Demons don’t exist. Lower astral entities may exist. Demons may be a type. People need to develop their mental faculties and strengthen their ability to prevent “riding.”
@@TAdler-ex8px- Right. Call sexual things “sin,” and not “just fun.” Sometimes fun is fun. And sex is that fun. Sin-incorrect action-only occurs when a person is non-consensual.
I have been willing to be wrong. I have gay and lesbian colleagues who I like and respect as people and whom I believe are Christians. But I haven't been convinced that the Bible is affirming either. I have noticed that believers who embrace ss relationships have already embraced no fault divorce and premarital sex.
This is what has happened. People met gay People who were called awful and they were nice. That has nothing to to with what God said or biblical interpretation though.
🕊️Ten reasons why matrimony itself proves that homosexuality is in fact a sin⬇️: 1️⃣What did our Father say in reference to matrimony❓ 🕊️”Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and clings to his wife, and they become one flesh.” Genesis 2:24 2️⃣Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on matrimony❓ 🕊️”He answered, “Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?” Matthew 19:4-5 3️⃣Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on matrimony❓ 🕊️“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” Ephesians 5:31 4️⃣Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s immorality❓ 🕊️”And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. But immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5️⃣Do the works of the flesh pertain to immorality❓ 🕊️“Now the works of the flesh are plain: immorality, impurity, licentiousness,” Galatians 5:19 6️⃣How does immorality pertain to sex specifically❓ 🕊️“For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like heathens who do not know God;” 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5 7️⃣Why should we avoid immorality❓ 🕊️”Shun immorality. Every other sin which a man commits is outside the body; but the immoral man sins against his own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 8️⃣Under what condition is immorality permitted❓ 🕊️”But because of the temptation to immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 9️⃣Is immorality outside of matrimony idolatry❓ 🕊️”Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.” Colossians 3:5 🔟Were we warned about certain people who would gain admission to our Father’s church and pervert the grace of our Father into licentiousness❓ 🕊️“Beloved, being very eager to write to you of our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For admission has been secretly gained by some who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly persons who pervert the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Now I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels that did not keep their own position but left their proper dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the deepest darkness until the judgment of the great day; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Yet in like manner these men in their dreamings defile the flesh, reject authority, and revile the glorious ones.” Jude 1:3-8 In conclusion to homosexuality, not only can we conclude that our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles clarify matrimony between heterosexuals but further stated that immorality was only permitted through heterosexual matrimony. If immorality is only permitted between heterosexuals then by default, immorality & matrimony between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles‼️ Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less if they know past, present and future⁉️ 🚨Any deacon, priest, bishop, cardinal or even the pope himself who contradicts scripture are by default wolves in sheep’s clothing‼️ 🕊️”As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without favor, doing nothing from partiality.” 1 Timothy 5:20-21‼️ 🕊️”For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the Church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Drive out the wicked person from among you.” 1 Corinthians 5:12-13‼️
@@SeanMcDowellPeople are tired of having God dictated to us through a book that can be twisted to suit one’s own purpose but that also somehow must be considered unchanging. Will there be a need for the bible in heaven?
God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, as a person with SSA I truly wish God would Change his mind regarding this issue. But as a believer I need to be faithful to his word.
@@joaquin48dedios82 God may always be the same but this does not mean that God cannot change from our point of view. Unless you think you know all there is to know about God then you should be learning more about God that will change your understanding of God. Does this mean that God can be contradictory, no. But it does mean that what we think God is asking us to do might not be what God is really asking us to do. So isn’t religiously following what someone else has written about God the wrong thing to do if there is no reason to do so other than because God says so. If God is logical there should be a logical reason instead of that is just what God wants done. If the Bible is all we need to know about God then why do we need to pray?
Sober minded, thoughtful, compassionate, faithful to the gospel. Well worth the time. Another brilliant guest. Love the maturity and wisdom, laced with kindness, by two great scholars. Much love, and thank you both for painstaking work and efforts. Elephant in the living room on offering your first born to God means child sacrifice? Hanna and Samual. She hardly had him sacrificed, but placed him in the hands of the priests to live among them. Not that that is always the meaning, but that Hanna's agreement with God was the extreme version and God's plan for the destiny of one of God's greatest prophets. He didn't die as a child but was an anointed two kings level prophet of God, a man of total commitment. Not only this but he honored Hanna with additional children, honering her offering of Samuel to God in his service not in his being killed. I also associate Samson, as a near opposite case, dedicated to God not sacrificed and yet an unfaithful man the majority of his life. Elizabeth and Zacharia about John, etc. Clearly God is the same yesterday, and never condoned, let alone commanded child sacrifice in physical death, in fact he repeatedly openly condemned it, one of the signs of Isreals decline and falling away from God at times.
Gay lgbtqrstuvwxyz rights is like saying adultery rights, incest rights, beastiality rights or pedophilia rights. Sexual deviancy is sin plain and simple. This free love movement is wrecking the very fabric of our society to the point that we sacrifice our not just adults but children to abortion and gender surgery mutilation. Yes we all fall short of perfect that doesn't mean the ideal should be thrown out and complete Sodomite anarchy should reign in stead. Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
We keep talking about it because, while it should be settled for Christians, there are those in authority who are leading less mature Christians astray. We continue to defend the truth, continue to teach the truth.
I always ask, what would be the purpose? The man and woman have a purpose when they come together. What would be the purpose for the same sex coming together? How does this impact our future? What are they producing? How are they contributing to the future?
@@JacksonCaesar for some that are unable to conceive, your question devalues alot of people... not to mention Paul - Jesus... i hear they had a purpose
@@Jasminestealth1 That argument is like saying people should be free to have their limbs amputated if they choose to since some people are born without limbs or have had to have them amputated as a result of injury or disease. No one is saying that Jesus and Paul had no purpose because they weren't married with children. What they are saying is that the sexual union is both enjoyable and purposeful. If unable to conceive, that is sad precisely because it is not the norm, whereas two people coming together of the same sex and not being able to conceive is not only normal, but could never be otherwise.
@ ok... lets start with limbs... do you think someone is "less then" missing limbs? who do you think is the moral judge on that .. a doctor .. nurse.. purson on seen of an accident who puts on tornoqet ? how about those that live a life of never partnering up? do you think those with mental challenges "should" have kids... what do you think two people of the same sex do that heterosexual couples dont? ala ... normal? who decides?
@@JacksonCaesar - When two-or more-people of any gender(s) come together, it is for the purpose of sharing and committing to a supportive, loving relationship within that group. Heterosexuality may or may not yield children. There are opposite sex couples who fail to conceive. Reproduction, however, isn’t the end-all and be-all of relationships, anymore.
@@terrybain828Interesting how you bring up amputation when it is the free love lgbtqrstuvwxyz sodomites that have went from infanticide to now surgical mutilation of the living. 1 Kings 18: And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made. 27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked. 28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.
I see that the sexual revolution has come to an end. Now young women and men have said they will stop having sex on their own. They have destroyed each other in rebellion. They now dislike each other. The trust is now disappeared. Now they are all lonely.
I pray that today's church turns back to the one true living Triune God. And turns away from the dead false idolatrous pacifist Jesus they have made with their own hands. Exodus 20: 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. 7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Liars will continue to lie and deceivers will continue to deceive, and rather than believe the truth of God will double and triple down on their sinful rebellion and rejection of the light and truth of the word of God. False prophets and false Christ's will tell people what they want to hear and flatter them appeal to their ignorance, arrogance and egotism, and they will look to blame scapegoats for their own sin, evil, and failures.
One cannot identify with both sin and Christ. In other words, one cannot honestly serve two opposing masters. I suggest reading or listening to Rosaria Butterfield's book Five Lies of Our Anti-Christian Age.
Jeremiah 17: 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
Very good conversation. So many are moved away from their faith because of as you say, their experience. The experience, then, necessitates they alter their core beliefs. Thank you for publishing these well needed discussions.
Would those authors say that Christiains should accept pedophilia? Including "marriages" between adults and children? Or that Christians should accept beastiality? Some people have been trying to legalize both of them for years.
For anyone looking for the short answer: the answer is NO. Any who says 'Yes' commits blasphemy and is of their father the devil. If the Bible (which is God’s Word) does not give approval to it, then that is that, because there is no new revelation under the sun outside of that book. I don't care what any man wants to publish in his book. "LET GOD BE TRUE, AND EVERY MAN A LIAR"
While listening to a different podcast I thought there's a similarity between this issue and the situation in the garden of Edén. God gave beautiful gift but people wanted something he forbid
All this discussion about accepting gay rights and marriage is based on the assumption that homosexuality is neutral or good for the people involved in it and society at large. I don't believe God would have forbidden it if that was so. God's laws protect and provide for us. Our overly self centered society thinks we are helping people by accepting their carnal passions. Perhaps some people feel better because society accepts them, but are we really helping them? And what is this doing to our society? The more we accept homosexuality the more it seems to grow as does other deviant self destructive behaviors. It's clear homosexuality doesn't promote the survival of the species, so just what are its benefits to people and society in general? If we truly love people we don't encourage behavior which is destructive to them and society. What do Greek and Hebrew scholars know about mental and/or cultural health? They start with the uncritical assumption it's not potentially problematic. I agree we should have compassion for people struggling with any type of sin, even sexual attraction God condems. But I don't think saying their temptations are okay. God calls all of us to sexual purity which for the unmarried includes chastity.
So...has God changed His mind about women teaching and preaching in church? Has God changed His mind about divorce and remarriage? Has God changed His mind about slavery? Has God changed His mind about greed? Cause a lot of the same people condemning same-sex relationships on the basis of "God doesn't change His mind" are behaving as though He has.
Hello Rebecca, Thank you for taking the time to read and respond to this book. I respect that you have skin in the game, and have some real experience in this matter. However, I think that the church in the USA has become so motivated by hate for those on the LGBTQ+ spectrum that the authors felt the need to write this book... Looking at the comments here you can see the hate already... Once again, thanks for taking the time to talk on this. DF
True Christians do not hate the LGBTQ+ community, extremists do. Christians are, however, commanded to have discernment between what is sinful behavior so that they do not engage in sinful behavior. People confuse judgement with discernment. The two are very different and have very different meanings. It's important for true Christians to know the difference so they can live within the ways of God and not the ways of the world..
@@queenadventures4258 Exactly!! So well said! Hence the reason I said "The Church in the USA" (Though perhaps I should have more accurately said "The evangelical church in the USA...") and thanked Rebecca for taking the time to interact with the book, as her stance is opposite to the hate of so many who claim the name of Christ as they judge. I have even seen people use scripture about loving their neighbour as an excuse for their judgement of someone else. And I have seen the hurt and the damage of such hatred in the lives of LGBTQ+ people. So thank you @queenadventures4258 for stating so clearly the true definition of Christians and the way we should live. God bless David F
Hate and disagreement are two different things. I can not condone a behavior and actually be more loving than the person that allows someone to live a self destructive lifestyle.
I liked what your guest said about how some Christians seem to treat homosexual people as if homosexuality degrades their entire moral character. She put it so well. I was trying to make that point in a discussion I got involved in on facebook, but I certainly didn't express it as well as she did. I was trying to express that we are all sinners and are all correct, and therefore we all need to sacrifice that Jesus made in order to achieve salvation, but I don't think people got my point.
God is the same today, as he was yesterday, and will be forever *UNCHANGING* . He calls same-sex anything an abomination . He HATES it. Why? Because it is all based on PLEASURE AND LUST. Not based on the function of marraige which is to PROCREATE. What future comes from a same sex union? NONE because it CANT make a future. In fact we are literally told that if we are offended by a brother or sister For Sinning, we first go to that person and explain why, then if they do not repent, we take it to two other members of the church, and if they still refuse to Repent, we take it to the head of the church, who is to CAST THEM OUT do that their body be destroyed by the devil and hope that their soul may be saved ( how? By choosing to REPENT.) This new age theological stuff has NO PLACE within the traditions of the Church. The REAL Church is the same as it has always been, has not added to or changed tradition ( aka NOT CATHOLIC), does not elevate anyone above another and stays the same as God Stays the same, 2000 years and the church is still the same church and it is open to all to come and see, there is only Orthodoxy, the narrow gate.
I don't think of Christianity in terms of congregation and church leaders anymore. I now think of Christianity in terms of the medieval anchorite/hermit/recluse and the believers who admire them. The church building and congregation are in 'the thick of the world and worldliness' (commercial areas). In contrast, the Kingdom, is in the wildness areas at the fringe of urban existence; where the people found Jesus (during His earthly ministry).
This is a problem started by the church when she says that God's law (especially the 7-day Sabbath) has changed. Like you said, "If God changes His mind about that, what else will He change His mind about?"
There's an unhealthy focus these days on other people's sexual sins such as ss and trans issues. The problem is that churches are anything but free of sexual sins. There are epidemic levels of pwn use, coercion and marital rape and misogyny within many churches. Frankly, this is the real problem. Instead we say "nothing to see here, look over there".
People who find "new" ways of interpreting God's word are coming at it backwards. They're deciding what point they're going to make, what position they're going to take, then twisting the scriptures into knots in their attempt to find a biblical path to the place they've already decided to go.
The question isn't, "can gay people be saved", the question is, can we be saved if we think they can't? For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Matthew 7 : 2
When people think there is nothing wrong with their behavior, or are in fact proud of it.. How are they ever going to seek God's forgiveness if they think God is alright with it? The way to be saved is to humble yourself, admit you are a sinner and accept the good news of the Gospel. You don't do that when you don't see yourself as a sinner.. If the doctor doesn't tell the patient they are severely ill, knowing that they will die without treatment.. Why would they want to take the medicine that would guarantee to save their life? Sure it's not fun to hear you are about to die from a terrible disease, but it is neccesary to get someone to actually accept the cure. Jude 1:3 Save others by snatching them out of the fire; to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh. The truth is what sets people free. And the truth is that they are sick sinners in need of forgiveness, and that they need to humble themselves to accept God's free gift of salvation, to be saved. We need to speak the truth in love; with the right intentions; to snatch them out of the fire, with patience and grace and love. You don't love others by letting them continue their path to self destruction without warning them. Their souls are in danger. Do you think they would be thankful when they are in hell, wondering why you never even bothered to warn them?
Same old misuse of that scripture. We are called to judge those within. We must be willing to be judged by the same standard. God was very clear that He made man and woman for one another only. Judging by the Scriptures, those practicing homosexual sin are "not fit for the kingdom of God." People want to make God in our own image rather than try to mold ourselves into His image. The reason we can believe God never changes is due to the fact that we as His children must be able to have faith in His Word. Yes, God is just and merciful, but we must remember He can also be a God of vengeance.
@@Wanda4849 - It’s mythology. Canaanite/Hebrew, Middle Eastern, Tribal Mythology! IT…ISN’T…REAL! No vengeful deity waiting in the background! No need to spend the bulk of one’s life worrying about a potential afterlife, and not developing one’s own Observable, Physical lLfe to the fullest! The paragraph above shows me that you are well-indoctrinated into the “fundamentalist canon,” and need to get out before long. People don’t want to hear otters calling them evil, or sinner, or “just want to sin” if they won’t believe the way you do. Etc. My Advice: Get Out Of Religion Until You Know What Is Real, What Is Not, And Why Some People Want A Religious Path And Some Don’t. One can have a religious path. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that. But that path shouldn’t vilify others outside of the path. Any religion that does that isn’t worth pursuing. Better is having your own, internal sense of right and wrong, knowing that some things are better left alone than others, and that interfering with others lives by accusing them of being “evil and sinful” is not proper, or polite social behavior at all. Wake Up. Ditch Your Cult. Thrive! I Wish You The Best! -The Firefishe
Without reading the book, it seems these, "father and son theologians" are focusing on man and God needs to change to suit us. It's making Isaiah 53:6 an ok thing. "all we like sheep have gone astray and turned everyone to his own way." Same Sex marriage and LGBTQ doesn't get any more "Turing to your own way." And so, they leave out the gospel, "and the LORD has laid on Him, the iniquity of us all."
Joseph Scala, you need to study the scriptures more because you obviously don't know! The scriptures clearly teach that God does not change, and this is by His choice!!!
Its better to live in the Bible rather than living on people's opinions. Get more closer to God and God will let you know everything what already mentioned in the Bible. I clearly heard from a Angel that HOMO SEXUALITY is a sin.
Yawn. I agree with many of the comments here: this issue has been done to death. There's nothing new here; libertinism has menaced the church from the beginning. Giving unwarranted attention to this issue only serves to advance the academic careers of those who are teaching doctrine that is contrary to Christian orthodoxy.
A deeper understanding and respect for the doctrine of the ''sin nature'' is what I think is a missing part of this very difficult topic of homosexuality and transgenderism, etc... If you are open to the idea of what the sin nature that mankind is born with (according to a certain christian worldview primarily an evangelical world veiw ) than you are in a much better position to understand, how the sin nature has spread like a virus through-out humanity's history, and resulted in very unexpected consquences in a very random fashion through-out history: Now please stay with me, I know many of you probably think that the sin nature topic discussion has nothing to do with our physical anatomy including our hormones and biological chemistry, but I think now in the modern world, this has become a much harder argument to make. I personally think the sin nature, like a progressive virus, has been building and building in strength since the Flood of Noah. I wish I coud articulate this opinion better. If anyone responds I'll try and follow up, but when ''gay people, and transgender people often say, why did God make me this way'' I would say , our response to them in the last 25 years, should have been different, and we should have been more open to the possibilty that the sin nature of mankind was causing stronger than usual physcial influences on people from birth, yes I said ''from birth'' toward unnatural attractions, and identity imbalances in people hormonally. What I'm suggesting is not really all that far fetched, if you stop to remember that through-out humanity , some people have been extremely prone to other types of moral defects, outside of sexual ones, like strong pride, or strong anger, these are all manifestation's I think of the sin nature of mankind running like an unchecked virus, and as the world system's and people in general have become far less spiritual and comitted in there search for truth and christianity, the sin nature of mankind is wreaking havoc spordically on the actual anatomy and chemistry of mankind, manifesting in strange sexual deviations.
One of the 1st "deeper" things I learned as a teen in 1990 was from discussions around SBC Sunday School quarterly that we always learned from. At some point they started saying "somd scholars believe..." - i learned it's a red flag to ynbiblical things that those who think their intellectual have actually missed the plot from what Scripture says. They're looking to get people to follow their opinions about something..... and the church publication folk put that nonsense in there to basically cause people to doubt God's Word. Isn't that awful?? [Yes].
God does not change his mind. But the interpretation of the Bible does change with biblical scholars. All of you on this feed are cherry picking out of the Bible. Number one nowhere in the Bible, doesn’t mention two women Lying together, yet not one of you would condone lesbianism. Cherry picking, God also said two men lying together is an abomination and should be killed. Why aren’t you following the word of God? Why aren’t you slaughtering gay men. Cherry picking again. absolutely hypocritical. 0:15
@NickGagnon-u1v No He has not! Maybe you don't understand the Bible! It's just wishful thinking! The Bible repeatedly states that God does not change! Man changes and God acts accordingly, but he never gives in to sin!
@@josephscala6707 You need to study more theology! The Scriptures clearly teach that God does not change! He is always just, but He is free, but as the Book of Mormon states, if God would not be just, He would cease to be God! This is because of all the intelligences that make up what is termed the light of Christ would withdraw their support and He would have no more power! See D&C 88:7-13.
Colossians 2:8 8 Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.
Stevendale, that shows your ignorance! God is a He! Christ is in the "express image of His Father." "From everlasting to everlasting an unchangeable God." You are ignorant and your ignorance is fueled by your prejudice!!! At least these people on the podcast are much more knowledgeable and honest than you are!!!
If nobody has written a book axploring the marriage perspective of same sex relationships relative to the Bible, perhaps the two of you could write something and start with a transcript of this You Tube Presentation.
So in the end what is the simplest practical answer to this? Why is same sex relationship evil? Because it was condemned in the Jewish laws? Does the Jewish laws apply to gentiles? Is there a short practical and obvious, biblical answer here or just a long string of interpretations? I assume something so evil that brings down fire from heaven should be more obvious to understand like "don't steal".
Man and woman marrying are performing a ritual where they spiritually represent God's love for Israel, Christ's love for His church. Even unbelievers, and Christians whose marriages are broken, are still doing this because God invented marriage, and He makes the two one flesh, just as Jesus took on human flesh for His bride. God takes these sorts of physical enactments of spiritual realities seriously: remember when God told Moses to ask the rock for water, when he had previously told him to strike it? But Moses got mad and struck the rock the second time, thus ruining the picture God was painting where the rock (Jesus) would be struck (sacrificed/chastised) once and become a source a life-giving water for His people, and thereafter the water would flow for the asking. Because Moses disobeyed God the second time, God did not allow him to enter the Promised Land. It was serious. Marriage is serious.
Amen it's great to understand to help individuals see truth amen I'm trying to figure out conclusion it's base on feeling truth not on historical truths on God's word
"negate yourself, take your cross and follow me" also "be saints like your Father in heaven is saint" pretty tells He wouldnt change His idea, because its impossible, His holiness make anything intrisically wrong against nature and sin go away. People should think for a moment: how would be heaven for the rest of eternity? what do people think that heaven will be? As far as i can tell you, in those 2 and half years away from bad friendship and lgbt media, also self aware of my own limitations and temptations around same sex, you are defined by what you do and inner thoughts you accept. God can read hearts. If you have a colourful flag, it tells your neigbor your mindset and life style, without even telling anyonw.. How holiness enter your life, if you share or defend same sex "marriage"? How to not quote Paul's quote against the sodomites and feminine man you will never go against it? also for woman, same sex "love" relation and omission to give advice against it? Being Christian + being affirmative in LGBT group is either someone in the wall or someone that is liberal and dont care about leaving others to salvation, or even thinks salvation suffices by "just believing" but not obbeying the recomendations the Church always gifted since the apostles. You can be eunuc for the reing of heaven, if you think you will never get a opposite sex partner, no one should oblige you to marry someone. IT's also easier by the words of Apostle Paul, the life of sinlge, as you will give more time to God, and not divide time with your husband/wife and family.
If you read the Bible carefully, those instances where God changes His mind, like Sodom and Gomorrah, wanting to destroy the Israelites in the desert and Nineveh, was because of intervention of someone pleading mercy. Abraham pleaded to spare the cities if there are ten righteous people, so God agreed. Moses pleaded for the Israelites, reminding God of the covenant, and after Nineveh repented, God forgave them. He doesn't change His mind on a whim, but it was the people who begged Him to change His mind. Now I understand why He's called Heavenly Father, He really acts like a dad doesn't He?
Did Jesus not die for all sin? This is why people are deconstructing because they see the hypocrisy of lordship salvation and calvinism. I'm gay and the holy spirit baptized me one day. I'll never not ignore Jesus ever. I know I will be chastened for my sin's like other believers, but my love for Jesus is eternal and I know I'm saved.
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God doesn't change his mind. God's mind changes us.
Jonah 3:10
@xarchist His word didn't change. His wrath did based upon repentance. Had Ninevah continued without repenting, they would have been destroyed on time.
@bethanywolfe5065 That may be true, but that's not anywhere in the book of Jonah. You just made it up.
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Leviticus 26:
14But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
15And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
16I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
17And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.
18And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
19And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He does not change His mind.
I bet! Those who fellow the devil will tell you that! It’s been gay people for thousands of years and now god gonna change his mind! Where the proof? And why not everybody around the world share this view
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@@dansaber4427 that what the devil would say but I get it. You can’t love god and be disrespectful at the same time! You don’t make the rules!
@@Kelvin-k8n so that sounds like what the religious people said to Jesus christ. You make the LGBT look like him. You may not be who you think you are.
@ that don’t even make sense!
Malachi 3:6: "For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed."
If God doesn't change, how did he become incarnate in Jesus?
Because Jesus always was and will be at the right hand of the Father. It's literally in the Bible.
@@MrSeedi76the incarnation was the plan all along. Jesus is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Immutability is one of God’s attributes. God doesn’t change Who He is at His core, but He does sometimes change course. This is usually in response to how people and circumstances change.
Has God changed His opinion on marriage and sexuality? I believe the burden of proof is on anyone who says He has.
I don’t think this book lays out any good arguments. I agree that the authors’ position seems to be predicated on personal feelings and is not in submission to God’s revealed Word on the subject. They are practicing exegetical gymnastics.
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Leviticus 26:
14But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
15And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
16I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
17And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.
18And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
19And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
The Bible was NOT designed for us to change it. The Bible is designed for IT to change US . God's word is ever lasting. It is the same as it was in the beginning. It will be the same until the end of time.
Great interview! I struggle with SSA, and I agree with everything said! Keep defending GOD'S truth Sean and Rebecca! The church needs you! GOD bless both of you!
@@eddiejones5702 - Maybe you’re just gay and that’s the end of it, eh? Get rid of the religious guilt tripping, embrace who you may really be, realign your values to more modern ones, and Stop The Struggle! Because, in truth, there isn’t really one. ❤️
@@eddiejones5702 to be happy in your life you should accept who you are. homosexuality is natural, god loves you no matter if you're straight or gay ❤️
@@TheFirefisheThis is a LIE. Go away. This lie is rebuked in the powerful Name of Jesus!
@eddiejones5702 His Word says, Resist the Devil and he will flee from you. It’s so true! I struggled with this in HS and college. I knew it wasn’t of God and prayed against it. I would quote the verse I just wrote out and would say it out loud. When I finally told someone I struggled with this I was so relieved! I sobbed and they didn’t shame me. They prayed for me. Maybe 2yrs later all the SSA went away. All of it! After years of fighting, praying, the spiritual warfare which I could feel and was scary at times, it all went away. Gos is so good and so faithful! IGNORE the lies the enemy tells you about yourself and that others spew at you as well to just “give in.” Keep resisting and the enemy will flee! Keep worship music on often, even at a Bert low volume if you don’t enjoy it. It helps a lot.
@@kimiko54-h3b Ok, so I don't believe homosexuality is natural. Totally unbiblical. Secondly, I'm extremely happy! LOL.. Agree that GOD loves me regardless of my struggle with my sexuality. But that doesn't mean HE approves of sinful sexual behavior! He certainly doesn't. I'm a Bible believing Christian. That means something! You may not be. That's fine. You have a different standard for your life. You're free to have that. But I love GOD more than I love what I'm tempted by! Sexual or otherwise. I appreciate you trying to encourage me. Seriously. But we just seem to have a different world view when it comes to sex and sexuality. GOD created sex and has every right to tell us how it supposed to function in the world. And HE has! I can't change the rules to suit my "taste" in sex! Again, appreciate the conversation and the encouragement. GOD bless you.
As mother of a gay son, who would be first to affirm if at all possible, NO, God hasn’t changed His mind.
@NickGagnon-u1v
No ... God commands we love Him above all else & that includes above those we love on this earth. We so often fail at this. I've never known religion... only God through the person of Christ. I chose to leave my heterosexual immoral lifestyle behind when I surrendered to Christ in order to honor His word...those with SSA may do the same.
Is there a command to get anally oenetrated? @NickGagnon-u1v
@NickGagnon-u1v no, it's not dumb. It's truth before compassion. Because putting truth before compassion, gives smart compassion. I will not live a lie for my children.
Thank you for your testimony. As a mother with a gay daughter (who sometimes also claims to be a boy) engaged to a lovely girl, I can love them both and still be a beacon back to Jesus, to truth, to God.
I love my daughter, but she is the poster child for how this behavior goes hand in hand with behavioral sink. It's not just the same sex relationship. She has no foundation. She is fragile. She can't trust herself, because she doesn't tell herself the truth. I gave her a foundation, and she refused it, and I will do her no favors by jumping into the foundationless void with her.
Prayers for you and your son.
@NickGagnon-u1v that's absurd. I don't have a single loving relationship in my life that asks nothing of me. Even my dogs and cats love is aggressive. More so my children. More so my spouse. They have every right to my love. And if I cut myself off from loving them, I would hurt everyone involved, including myself. That God wants my highest priority to be serving perfect truth and peace is going to put my life in order faster than anything else could. And it makes me immune to lies like the ones you are trying to spread. Get in touch with the Divine, my friend.
To be honest, I don't think we even have to have these conversations anymore. By now, every time we raise the question all over again, it seems to suggest that we are still deliberating the issue, which is just false: we aren't. It's settled theology, and theology is a much firmer source of knowledge than any alleged settled science of the day.
Agreed.
Yeah, no it’s not.
Why is it that they want to reform many churches that are against this. Simply go to a church that believes it's okay. But somehow that's not what they really want.
Breathing words towards this topic just fans the flames more. Ignore it and hopefully it dwindles away.
That being said, LGBTQ people are still encouraged to come to church. After all, Christ invites all the sick and suffering, for he is the healer. Just don't expect to leave the church as ill as you arrived.
Josh explains why he keeps doing videos on this topic. It’s because it keeps getting brought up, not because he is waffling. He feels he has to respond to new arguments, even if, as he points out, they are not really new.
For people who think it is cruel to expect someone to remain celibate because they are only attracted to the same sex, I have a couple of questions for you. Is it also cruel to expect an unmarried person who has not found a partner to remain celibate? What about someone like myself who was married to a man who suffered from severe dementia for the last eight years of his life and was unable to participate in sexual activity. Should I have been free to dishonour my marriage vows and be excused if I felt the need to commit adultery? He passed away four years ago and I am still a widow. Should I engage in sex outside of marriage if I don't meet someone who is interested in marriage? Sex is great and I enjoyed very much having a healthy sex life, but I have found that when there is no righteous way of fulfilling that desire, God gives me grace to simply not "awaken desire before its time." I for one can assure you that it is only a struggle if you allow your thoughts to dwell on sex when there is no way to have sex without sinning.
It's not only about sex: when two consenting adults have a loving relationship and share their life, why should religion not approve?
@@kimiko54-h3bIt has to do with what sex was designed for. God our Creator gets to say, and He does. His laws and restrictions are not oppressive. They are for our own good and the greater good.
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Lord God, please take the scales off the eyes, ears, hearts, and minds of all the people being led astray by this type of teaching, my son and his partner included. Help them to have an encounter with Your love that will allow them to make a God-honoring choice instead of a self-honoring one. May Your kindness lead these authors and this whole community to repentance. We know You are able to do more than we can ask or imagine and we are begging You to do exactly that in this situation. Thank you so much for hearing this heartbroken mother’s prayer.
It's funny because a lot of these people don't even believe in God but now they're looking for an excuse in the book that they don't believe in. 🤔🤔🤔
This is one of the most relevant and important conversations I have heard recently. The framing of the points was very well argued. Thank you so much for this conversation. God is the same today, yesterday and forever more. He does not change
The fact that we entertain this heresy is problematic. God does not change! If He did, He wouldn’t be God.
We must always share Truth -- in 2008, I was a gay-identified man, in a committed, monogamous same-sex relationship, active in an affirming church, where we called ourselves gay Christians. Then I found myself in an ICU where the medical team classified me clinically dead after a 22-minute flatline. I experienced death, judgement and hell. When I couldn’t take any more demonic torment, I cried out in repentance, “Jesus!” and I heard the Savior say, “I am here.” At that moment, I saw with my eyes the Wind of the Holy Spirit fill myself ICU and with great power, He pick up Satan and the demonic and blew them out of the room. On that day, my life changed, the redemptive Blood of Jesus cleared my mind of perversion and completely healed and restored every failing organ. Glory to God!
Powerful testimony. Thank you for sharing.
Child sacrifice was never in God's mind.
"They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind."
-Jeremiah 19:5
Also God: "I need to get my son killed as a sacrifice to forgive humans".
A fabulous scripture in the face of Calvinism! 💖💖
@duketta Agreed.
Leviticus 18:
6¶None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
7The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
8The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.
9The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.
10The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.
11The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
12Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.
13Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.
14Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.
15Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
16Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.
17Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.
18Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.
19¶Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.
20Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.
21And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
23Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
24¶Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
@@Jozeemossif you think you can be saved through works and by following the OT to achieve sinless perfection, why aren't you Jewish?
Rebecca, so appreciate you. Love listening to you. Your commitment to Jesus is so evident. May you be blessed.
No. He hasn’t.
ALL ABOMINATION TO GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF ENDS IN HELL.
PERIOD POINT BLANK.
GOD IS NOT MOCKED 🦁📜💀🔨👊🏻💪🏻🙏🏻⚖️🌎
Amen.
I guess they're leaning more into the assumptions and interpretation than what the Bible clearly says about this topic.
Matthew 5:18
I think they want to add strokes and letters to the word.
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
@@dansaber5853Sure, just don't actively practice LGBT actions. The thoughts themselves are precursor to full error.
I pray someone will get my 2 children to view you two. I have tried to send this to them and they refuse to even look at it. Please pray for them for enlightenment on this topic.
If a person advocates that God has changed his mind on a prohibition in the scriptures, it seems to me that person is claiming to be a prophet.
Thank you very much for pointing that out.
Pretty good video on the whole. I see you sparked a debate in the comments as to whether God changes His mind or not. You're right that it's a topic of debate by many scholars for decades. If not centuries. But that doesn't stop the overnight internet theologians from weighing in on the matter. And, as usual, the comments only serve to show that most haven't studied the issue nor actually put much thought into it.
I may have missed it but I heard the phrase "sexual orientation" mentioned a few time and I don't recall that being addressed. If I recall correctly, Sean gives that merit. I'm curious as to whether Rebecca does? I don't. Here's why:
One's sexuality is much like a compass. A compass has a Creator. Just like a human does. The Creator of a compass has "oriented" the compass to always point to the north. So any compass will point north as it is supposed to do UNLESS someone brings it near a magnet. Then one can make the compass point any direction it wants to or spin wildly outta control. God never changes and His Word remains the same. It is the only compass that always points to true north.
God is the Creator and He has created Man to be oriented to Woman and vice versa. SIN is the magnet that draws one's sexuality away from its true direction and "orientation".
Coming from the same place that Dr. Mclaughlin comes from, I sometimes wonder about the
"Heart" these affirming people have for LGBT people. I definitely have a heart for my former friends in the lifestyle. I don't want them to go to Hell.
❤ Thanks, Sean, for having Rebecca on again. Always love hearing her perspective on important topics. Blessings to you both!
I think their number one problem is that they start with the conclusion, or what they want to be true. And then they abuse philosophy, theology, and the Bible itself to get there. They don't start with, "what does the Bible say?" And then decide how to line their lives up accordingly. The extremely dangerous position they put themselves in is that of gods themselves judging the one true God.
God NEVER changes His mind.
Numbers 23:19
"God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His mind."
1 Samuel 15:29
"He who is the Glory of Isreal does not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man, that He should change His mind."
Hebrews 13:8
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever."
God changed its mind: Genesis 6:5-22
@NickGagnon-u1v You don't sound like you're biblically educated. Christ and the new testament FULFILLED the law and that prophets, not contradicted it. And evidence of The coming Messiah is found throughout the OT.
@@ijansk First and foremost, of course, you must get your rocks off by referencing God as an "it." Predictable. God rebooting the world doesn't mean He changed His mind about having a world. And He knew since prior to the beginning of time that this would be the outcome.
@NickGagnon-u1v But what you said--that God changed His mind by having a new testament, evidences your misunderstanding of it. Jesus Himself stated that He came to fulfill the law, not negate it.
Jesus speaking: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them."
(Matthew 5:17)
Therefore the NT is not a change of mind by the Father, but an edification.
@NickGagnon-u1v Mixed fabrics were to the Israelites and comes under the umbrella of ceremonial law. The abomination of same sex relations comes under moral law, which is to everyone for all time--past and future.
Dr. McDowell,
I love your ministry very much. I'm 13 and I ask you to please continue this for the sake of teenagers and young people like me.
I was wondering if you could you please create a video defending Christian sexual ethics. I've been struggling with a lot of people saying that Christian sexual ethics is about a bunch of prudes trying to make people suppress their sexuality. I've been struggling with p*rn, and my whole Christian worldview. I have lots of questions. I know God is real and the Bible is true. But I have other questions concerning culture. Are Christians bigots when they reject LGBTQ ideology?
Are we prudes when we say wait for marriage?
Thank you for your work.
I just want to encourage you to keep seeking Biblical answers to your questions. I am in my 50s and still recovering and untangling from the lies I was told about the Bible and Christianity as a teenager and younger adult, and on into my early 40s. I am now very grateful I didn’t die in my rebellion and sin.
The Bible really does hold the answers that you need. From my own experience, sex with anyone outside of marriage causes damage in multiple ways. It leads to bondage, not freedom. Sean has more content that may be of help to you.
The “best life” really is living with Jesus as “Lord” (the one to whom you submit in all your ways) because he is completely trustworthy and only has your very best at heart. Disobedience may seem “better”, but there is *always* a cost that is often hidden in the moment, and the devil (who has been a liar from the beginning) is out to destroy you or make you ineffective in your witness to The Good News. Praying for you!
@@megb6820 Thank you so much!
If it helps, Trent Horn has several videos on this. Also there is a “Theology of the Body Institute” channel which covers sexual ethics and human relationships.
Demonic oppression is the reason we avoid sexual sin and pursue purity. Demons want to steal from us, kill us and destroy us. A heart that responds to God is on the pathway to holiness through purity and receives true peace and love. If there is one speck of manipulation then the soul is not fully surrendered. Like Ananias and Sapphira in Acts holding back honesty from the Holy Spirit.
oh sex is fun ... I'm of an age where sex is problematic - this disappoints me. If you want to be a Puritan that is your choice. But that that doesn't change the chances of either of us being saved.
@ What’s truly fun is being in the fellowship and the will of God. That’s the fun that never ends. You’re valuable and the Lord has a plan for you that doesn’t include sexual sin. You can respond to Him and be set free from demonic oppression and have peace in your heart, and eternal life.
@@russellmiles2861 And let me also say it’s Him who delivers from these things, you aren’t enabled to live free until you surrender fully to Jesus. He knows how much you need His help and is very willing for you to fully trust Him.
Demons don’t exist. Lower astral entities may exist. Demons may be a type. People need to develop their mental faculties and strengthen their ability to prevent “riding.”
@@TAdler-ex8px- Right. Call sexual things “sin,” and not “just fun.” Sometimes fun is fun. And sex is that fun. Sin-incorrect action-only occurs when a person is non-consensual.
Rebecca McLaughlin is such a smart and intelligent lady. She is such a blessing for everyone. God Bless.
I have been willing to be wrong. I have gay and lesbian colleagues who I like and respect as people and whom I believe are Christians. But I haven't been convinced that the Bible is affirming either. I have noticed that believers who embrace ss relationships have already embraced no fault divorce and premarital sex.
This is what has happened. People met gay People who were called awful and they were nice. That has nothing to to with what God said or biblical interpretation though.
In the last days I think we will continue to see these kinds of heretical (even blasphemous) ideas.
How can we keep asking this question when the bible is so clear on it Sean?
I agree. People keep making these claims-I keep responding.
🕊️Ten reasons why matrimony itself proves that homosexuality is in fact a sin⬇️:
1️⃣What did our Father say in reference to matrimony❓
🕊️”Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and clings to his wife, and they become one flesh.” Genesis 2:24
2️⃣Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on matrimony❓
🕊️”He answered, “Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?” Matthew 19:4-5
3️⃣Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on matrimony❓
🕊️“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” Ephesians 5:31
4️⃣Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s immorality❓
🕊️”And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. But immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints.” Ephesians 5:2-3
5️⃣Do the works of the flesh pertain to immorality❓
🕊️“Now the works of the flesh are plain: immorality, impurity, licentiousness,” Galatians 5:19
6️⃣How does immorality pertain to sex specifically❓
🕊️“For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like heathens who do not know God;” 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5
7️⃣Why should we avoid immorality❓
🕊️”Shun immorality. Every other sin which a man commits is outside the body; but the immoral man sins against his own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18
8️⃣Under what condition is immorality permitted❓
🕊️”But because of the temptation to immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2
9️⃣Is immorality outside of matrimony idolatry❓
🕊️”Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.” Colossians 3:5
🔟Were we warned about certain people who would gain admission to our Father’s church and pervert the grace of our Father into licentiousness❓
🕊️“Beloved, being very eager to write to you of our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. For admission has been secretly gained by some who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly persons who pervert the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Now I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels that did not keep their own position but left their proper dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the deepest darkness until the judgment of the great day; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Yet in like manner these men in their dreamings defile the flesh, reject authority, and revile the glorious ones.” Jude 1:3-8
In conclusion to homosexuality, not only can we conclude that our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles clarify matrimony between heterosexuals but further stated that immorality was only permitted through heterosexual matrimony. If immorality is only permitted between heterosexuals then by default, immorality & matrimony between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles‼️
Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less if they know past, present and future⁉️
🚨Any deacon, priest, bishop, cardinal or even the pope himself who contradicts scripture are by default wolves in sheep’s clothing‼️
🕊️”As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without favor, doing nothing from partiality.” 1 Timothy 5:20-21‼️
🕊️”For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the Church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Drive out the wicked person from among you.” 1 Corinthians 5:12-13‼️
@@SeanMcDowellPeople are tired of having God dictated to us through a book that can be twisted to suit one’s own purpose but that also somehow must be considered unchanging. Will there be a need for the bible in heaven?
God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, as a person with SSA I truly wish God would Change his mind regarding this issue. But as a believer I need to be faithful to his word.
@@joaquin48dedios82 God may always be the same but this does not mean that God cannot change from our point of view. Unless you think you know all there is to know about God then you should be learning more about God that will change your understanding of God. Does this mean that God can be contradictory, no. But it does mean that what we think God is asking us to do might not be what God is really asking us to do. So isn’t religiously following what someone else has written about God the wrong thing to do if there is no reason to do so other than because God says so. If God is logical there should be a logical reason instead of that is just what God wants done. If the Bible is all we need to know about God then why do we need to pray?
I think we should treat homosexuality like every other sin…
Repent. Die to sin, live to Christ. I don’t think we need to complicate things.
Sober minded, thoughtful, compassionate, faithful to the gospel. Well worth the time. Another brilliant guest. Love the maturity and wisdom, laced with kindness, by two great scholars. Much love, and thank you both for painstaking work and efforts. Elephant in the living room on offering your first born to God means child sacrifice? Hanna and Samual. She hardly had him sacrificed, but placed him in the hands of the priests to live among them. Not that that is always the meaning, but that Hanna's agreement with God was the extreme version and God's plan for the destiny of one of God's greatest prophets. He didn't die as a child but was an anointed two kings level prophet of God, a man of total commitment. Not only this but he honored Hanna with additional children, honering her offering of Samuel to God in his service not in his being killed. I also associate Samson, as a near opposite case, dedicated to God not sacrificed and yet an unfaithful man the majority of his life. Elizabeth and Zacharia about John, etc. Clearly God is the same yesterday, and never condoned, let alone commanded child sacrifice in physical death, in fact he repeatedly openly condemned it, one of the signs of Isreals decline and falling away from God at times.
The only book we need to prove it’s absolutely unquestionably wrong is the Bible. There is no debate here whatsoever.
@NickGagnon-u1v- Hating same-sex relationships is wrong in real life.
Gay lgbtqrstuvwxyz rights is like saying adultery rights, incest rights, beastiality rights or pedophilia rights. Sexual deviancy is sin plain and simple. This free love movement is wrecking the very fabric of our society to the point that we sacrifice our not just adults but children to abortion and gender surgery mutilation. Yes we all fall short of perfect that doesn't mean the ideal should be thrown out and complete Sodomite anarchy should reign in stead.
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
We keep talking about it because, while it should be settled for Christians, there are those in authority who are leading less mature Christians astray. We continue to defend the truth, continue to teach the truth.
Wow! What an amazing guest! She’s spot on! I have to come back to this episode for future reference ❤ Thanks, Sean!
I always ask, what would be the purpose? The man and woman have a purpose when they come together. What would be the purpose for the same sex coming together? How does this impact our future? What are they producing? How are they contributing to the future?
@@JacksonCaesar for some that are unable to conceive, your question devalues alot of people... not to mention Paul - Jesus... i hear they had a purpose
@@Jasminestealth1 That argument is like saying people should be free to have their limbs amputated if they choose to since some people are born without limbs or have had to have them amputated as a result of injury or disease. No one is saying that Jesus and Paul had no purpose because they weren't married with children. What they are saying is that the sexual union is both enjoyable and purposeful. If unable to conceive, that is sad precisely because it is not the norm, whereas two people coming together of the same sex and not being able to conceive is not only normal, but could never be otherwise.
@ ok... lets start with limbs... do you think someone is "less then" missing limbs? who do you think is the moral judge on that .. a doctor .. nurse.. purson on seen of an accident who puts on tornoqet ? how about those that live a life of never partnering up? do you think those with mental challenges "should" have kids... what do you think two people of the same sex do that heterosexual couples dont? ala ... normal? who decides?
@@JacksonCaesar - When two-or more-people of any gender(s) come together, it is for the purpose of sharing and committing to a supportive, loving relationship within that group.
Heterosexuality may or may not yield children. There are opposite sex couples who fail to conceive. Reproduction, however, isn’t the end-all and be-all of relationships, anymore.
@@terrybain828Interesting how you bring up amputation when it is the free love lgbtqrstuvwxyz sodomites that have went from infanticide to now surgical mutilation of the living.
1 Kings 18:
And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.
27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.
I see that the sexual revolution has come to an end. Now young women and men have said they will stop having sex on their own. They have destroyed each other in rebellion. They now dislike each other. The trust is now disappeared. Now they are all lonely.
I pray that today's church turns back to the one true living Triune God. And turns away from the dead false idolatrous pacifist Jesus they have made with their own hands.
Exodus 20:
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Liars will continue to lie and deceivers will continue to deceive, and rather than believe the truth of God will double and triple down on their sinful rebellion and rejection of the light and truth of the word of God. False prophets and false Christ's will tell people what they want to hear and flatter them appeal to their ignorance, arrogance and egotism, and they will look to blame scapegoats for their own sin, evil, and failures.
Their book denies the immutability of God - a basic attribute.
One cannot identify with both sin and Christ. In other words, one cannot honestly serve two opposing masters. I suggest reading or listening to Rosaria Butterfield's book Five Lies of Our Anti-Christian Age.
2 Peter 1 at the end talks about putting the reliability of Gods word over experiences.
2 Peter 1: 16-19
What is Sean's view on this ..?
Jeremiah 17:
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
@ great verse
Very good conversation. So many are moved away from their faith because of as you say, their experience. The experience, then, necessitates they alter their core beliefs. Thank you for publishing these well needed discussions.
Excellent conversation Sean and Rebecca. Thanks for this respectful and strong response to the latest iteration of "Did God really say?"
Would those authors say that Christiains should accept pedophilia? Including "marriages" between adults and children? Or that Christians should accept beastiality? Some people have been trying to legalize both of them for years.
Minutes 15 through 21: Slam dunk, Rebecca! Well said.
For anyone looking for the short answer: the answer is NO.
Any who says 'Yes' commits blasphemy and is of their father the devil.
If the Bible (which is God’s Word) does not give approval to it, then that is that, because there is no new revelation under the sun outside of that book.
I don't care what any man wants to publish in his book.
"LET GOD BE TRUE, AND EVERY MAN A LIAR"
While listening to a different podcast I thought there's a similarity between this issue and the situation in the garden of Edén. God gave beautiful gift but people wanted something he forbid
The LORD does not change HIS mind, about HIS own nature & VALUES/PRINCIPLES.
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏿
His grace and mercy be upon you all and your loved ones 🕊️🥛🍯
All this discussion about accepting gay rights and marriage is based on the assumption that homosexuality is neutral or good for the people involved in it and society at large. I don't believe God would have forbidden it if that was so. God's laws protect and provide for us. Our overly self centered society thinks we are helping people by accepting their carnal passions. Perhaps some people feel better because society accepts them, but are we really helping them? And what is this doing to our society? The more we accept homosexuality the more it seems to grow as does other deviant self destructive behaviors. It's clear homosexuality doesn't promote the survival of the species, so just what are its benefits to people and society in general? If we truly love people we don't encourage behavior which is destructive to them and society.
What do Greek and Hebrew scholars know about mental and/or cultural health? They start with the uncritical assumption it's not potentially problematic. I agree we should have compassion for people struggling with any type of sin, even sexual attraction God condems. But I don't think saying their temptations are okay. God calls all of us to sexual purity which for the unmarried includes chastity.
Thank God for you two talking about this Biblically!
What you both say about marriage is why I embrace marriage as sacrament
Great content Sean and Rebecca. Thank you!
Rebecca makes such a great point - the Old Testament ILLUMINATES the Gospel... over and over again
So...has God changed His mind about women teaching and preaching in church?
Has God changed His mind about divorce and remarriage?
Has God changed His mind about slavery?
Has God changed His mind about greed?
Cause a lot of the same people condemning same-sex relationships on the basis of "God doesn't change His mind" are behaving as though He has.
Be nice if he could let us know if he has.
Brilliant observations in this conversation. Thanks for posting!
Sounds like making God in our image
Hello Rebecca,
Thank you for taking the time to read and respond to this book.
I respect that you have skin in the game, and have some real experience in this matter. However, I think that the church in the USA has become so motivated by hate for those on the LGBTQ+ spectrum that the authors felt the need to write this book...
Looking at the comments here you can see the hate already...
Once again, thanks for taking the time to talk on this.
DF
True Christians do not hate the LGBTQ+ community, extremists do. Christians are, however, commanded to have discernment between what is sinful behavior so that they do not engage in sinful behavior.
People confuse judgement with discernment. The two are very different and have very different meanings. It's important for true Christians to know the difference so they can live within the ways of God and not the ways of the world..
@@queenadventures4258
Exactly!!
So well said!
Hence the reason I said "The Church in the USA" (Though perhaps I should have more accurately said "The evangelical church in the USA...") and thanked Rebecca for taking the time to interact with the book, as her stance is opposite to the hate of so many who claim the name of Christ as they judge.
I have even seen people use scripture about loving their neighbour as an excuse for their judgement of someone else. And I have seen the hurt and the damage of such hatred in the lives of LGBTQ+ people.
So thank you @queenadventures4258 for stating so clearly the true definition of Christians and the way we should live.
God bless
David F
Hate and disagreement are two different things. I can not condone a behavior and actually be more loving than the person that allows someone to live a self destructive lifestyle.
Thank you for continuing to defend against this deception.
Love how well Rebecca explains things
I liked what your guest said about how some Christians seem to treat homosexual people as if homosexuality degrades their entire moral character. She put it so well. I was trying to make that point in a discussion I got involved in on facebook, but I certainly didn't express it as well as she did. I was trying to express that we are all sinners and are all correct, and therefore we all need to sacrifice that Jesus made in order to achieve salvation, but I don't think people got my point.
God is the same today, as he was yesterday, and will be forever *UNCHANGING* . He calls same-sex anything an abomination . He HATES it. Why? Because it is all based on PLEASURE AND LUST. Not based on the function of marraige which is to PROCREATE.
What future comes from a same sex union? NONE because it CANT make a future.
In fact we are literally told that if we are offended by a brother or sister For Sinning, we first go to that person and explain why, then if they do not repent, we take it to two other members of the church, and if they still refuse to Repent, we take it to the head of the church, who is to CAST THEM OUT do that their body be destroyed by the devil and hope that their soul may be saved ( how? By choosing to REPENT.)
This new age theological stuff has NO PLACE within the traditions of the Church. The REAL Church is the same as it has always been, has not added to or changed tradition ( aka NOT CATHOLIC), does not elevate anyone above another and stays the same as God Stays the same, 2000 years and the church is still the same church and it is open to all to come and see, there is only Orthodoxy, the narrow gate.
I don't think of Christianity in terms of congregation and church leaders anymore. I now think of Christianity in terms of the medieval anchorite/hermit/recluse and the believers who admire them. The church building and congregation are in 'the thick of the world and worldliness' (commercial areas). In contrast, the Kingdom, is in the wildness areas at the fringe of urban existence; where the people found Jesus (during His earthly ministry).
Wonderful. Thank you both for your thoughtful analysis and for your compassionate manner.
This is a problem started by the church when she says that God's law (especially the 7-day Sabbath) has changed. Like you said, "If God changes His mind about that, what else will He change His mind about?"
There's an unhealthy focus these days on other people's sexual sins such as ss and trans issues. The problem is that churches are anything but free of sexual sins. There are epidemic levels of pwn use, coercion and marital rape and misogyny within many churches. Frankly, this is the real problem. Instead we say "nothing to see here, look over there".
God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow!
Short answer? No
Long answer? Noooooooooooooo
No God doesn’t change his mind, its the sexual acts that are sinful not the people
Sean , would you consider the authors of this book to be " progressive christians"? Or are they " new thought" or both. What does anybody think?
No. Any more silly questions?
This book is doing backflips to itch those ears😢 It’s maddening how prevalent it’s all becoming.
People who find "new" ways of interpreting God's word are coming at it backwards. They're deciding what point they're going to make, what position they're going to take, then twisting the scriptures into knots in their attempt to find a biblical path to the place they've already decided to go.
Interesting review/discussion.
If God understans the biology, he never was against something he has created.
The question isn't, "can gay people be saved", the question is, can we be saved if we think they can't?
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Matthew 7 : 2
When people think there is nothing wrong with their behavior, or are in fact proud of it..
How are they ever going to seek God's forgiveness if they think God is alright with it? The way to be saved is to humble yourself, admit you are a sinner and accept the good news of the Gospel. You don't do that when you don't see yourself as a sinner..
If the doctor doesn't tell the patient they are severely ill, knowing that they will die without treatment.. Why would they want to take the medicine that would guarantee to save their life?
Sure it's not fun to hear you are about to die from a terrible disease, but it is neccesary to get someone to actually accept the cure.
Jude 1:3 Save others by snatching them out of the fire; to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh.
The truth is what sets people free. And the truth is that they are sick sinners in need of forgiveness, and that they need to humble themselves to accept God's free gift of salvation, to be saved. We need to speak the truth in love; with the right intentions; to snatch them out of the fire, with patience and grace and love.
You don't love others by letting them continue their path to self destruction without warning them. Their souls are in danger. Do you think they would be thankful when they are in hell, wondering why you never even bothered to warn them?
@@MrSeedi76 - Salvation Isn’t Necessary as it doesn’t really exist.
Same old misuse of that scripture. We are called to judge those within. We must be willing to be judged by the same standard. God was very clear that He made man and woman for one another only. Judging by the Scriptures, those practicing homosexual sin are "not fit for the kingdom of God." People want to make God in our own image rather than try to mold ourselves into His image. The reason we can believe God never changes is due to the fact that we as His children must be able to have faith in His Word. Yes, God is just and merciful, but we must remember He can also be a God of vengeance.
@@Wanda4849 - It’s mythology. Canaanite/Hebrew, Middle Eastern, Tribal Mythology!
IT…ISN’T…REAL!
No vengeful deity waiting in the background! No need to spend the bulk of one’s life worrying about a potential afterlife, and not developing one’s own Observable, Physical lLfe to the fullest!
The paragraph above shows me that you are well-indoctrinated into the “fundamentalist canon,” and need to get out before long.
People don’t want to hear otters calling them evil, or sinner, or “just want to sin” if they won’t believe the way you do. Etc.
My Advice: Get Out Of Religion Until You Know What Is Real, What Is Not, And Why Some People Want A Religious Path And Some Don’t.
One can have a religious path. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that. But that path shouldn’t vilify others outside of the path. Any religion that does that isn’t worth pursuing.
Better is having your own, internal sense of right and wrong, knowing that some things are better left alone than others, and that interfering with others lives by accusing them of being “evil and sinful” is not proper, or polite social behavior at all.
Wake Up. Ditch Your Cult. Thrive!
I Wish You The Best!
-The Firefishe
Without reading the book, it seems these, "father and son theologians" are focusing on man and God needs to change to suit us. It's making Isaiah 53:6 an ok thing. "all we like sheep have gone astray and turned everyone to his own way." Same Sex marriage and LGBTQ doesn't get any more "Turing to your own way." And so, they leave out the gospel, "and the LORD has laid on Him, the iniquity of us all."
Great conversation!
Thx!
Joseph Scala, you need to study the scriptures more because you obviously don't know! The scriptures clearly teach that God does not change, and this is by His choice!!!
"Did God say?" The same old lie.
Thank you for this!
Very helpful - thank you!
Its better to live in the Bible rather than living on people's opinions. Get more closer to God and God will let you know everything what already mentioned in the Bible.
I clearly heard from a Angel that HOMO SEXUALITY is a sin.
I’d suggest reevaluating your “angel” and try a different perspective.
Yawn. I agree with many of the comments here: this issue has been done to death. There's nothing new here; libertinism has menaced the church from the beginning. Giving unwarranted attention to this issue only serves to advance the academic careers of those who are teaching doctrine that is contrary to Christian orthodoxy.
Or maybe someone will hear for the first time
A deeper understanding and respect for the doctrine of the ''sin nature'' is what I think is a missing part of this very difficult topic of homosexuality and transgenderism, etc...
If you are open to the idea of what the sin nature that mankind is born with (according to a certain christian worldview primarily an evangelical world veiw ) than you are
in a much better position to understand, how the sin nature has spread like a virus through-out humanity's history, and resulted in very unexpected consquences
in a very random fashion through-out history:
Now please stay with me, I know many of you probably think that the sin nature topic discussion has nothing to do with our physical anatomy including our
hormones and biological chemistry, but I think now in the modern world, this has become a much harder argument to make. I personally think the sin nature, like a
progressive virus, has been building and building in strength since the Flood of Noah. I wish I coud articulate this opinion better. If anyone responds I'll try and follow up,
but when ''gay people, and transgender people often say, why did God make me this way'' I would say , our response to them in the last 25 years, should have been different,
and we should have been more open to the possibilty that the sin nature of mankind was causing stronger than usual physcial influences on people from birth,
yes I said ''from birth'' toward unnatural attractions, and identity imbalances in people hormonally.
What I'm suggesting is not really all that far fetched, if you stop to remember that through-out humanity , some people have been extremely prone to other types of moral defects,
outside of sexual ones, like strong pride, or strong anger, these are all manifestation's I think of the sin nature of mankind running like an unchecked virus, and as the world system's and
people in general have become far less spiritual and comitted in there search for truth and christianity, the sin nature of mankind is wreaking havoc spordically on the
actual anatomy and chemistry of mankind, manifesting in strange sexual deviations.
One of the 1st "deeper" things I learned as a teen in 1990 was from discussions around SBC Sunday School quarterly that we always learned from. At some point they started saying "somd scholars believe..." - i learned it's a red flag to ynbiblical things that those who think their intellectual have actually missed the plot from what Scripture says. They're looking to get people to follow their opinions about something..... and the church publication folk put that nonsense in there to basically cause people to doubt God's Word. Isn't that awful?? [Yes].
There is a theory that Romans 1:22-28 actually means that God punished people by turning them gay. Lol.
God does not change his mind. But the interpretation of the Bible does change with biblical scholars. All of you on this feed are cherry picking out of the Bible. Number one nowhere in the Bible, doesn’t mention two women Lying together, yet not one of you would condone lesbianism. Cherry picking, God also said two men lying together is an abomination and should be killed. Why aren’t you following the word of God? Why aren’t you slaughtering gay men. Cherry picking again. absolutely hypocritical. 0:15
And in no way am I advocating the slaughter of gay men. Just showing you cherry, picking disregard for the will of God. 0:15
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It was a warning. No example of that ever happening
God hates the gays, but loves slavery and selling women.
God does not change! Only people lie about it!
@NickGagnon-u1v No He has not! Maybe you don't understand the Bible! It's just wishful thinking! The Bible repeatedly states that God does not change! Man changes and God acts accordingly, but he never gives in to sin!
God is absolutely free to change his/her/its mind.
@@josephscala6707 You need to study more theology! The Scriptures clearly teach that God does not change! He is always just, but He is free, but as the Book of Mormon states, if God would not be just, He would cease to be God! This is because of all the intelligences that make up what is termed the light of Christ would withdraw their support and He would have no more power! See D&C 88:7-13.
@@josephscala6707 You need to study the scriptures more! They clearly teach that God does not change by His choice!!!
@@GeorgeDemetz Wrong. God is absolutely free to do whatever he/she/it wants to do.
Hebrews 13:8 says that God is the same, yesterday, today, and forever!
God doesn't make mistakes!
Colossians 2:8
8 Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.
Stevendale, that shows your ignorance! God is a He! Christ is in the "express image of His Father." "From everlasting to everlasting an unchangeable God." You are ignorant and your ignorance is fueled by your prejudice!!! At least these people on the podcast are much more knowledgeable and honest than you are!!!
If nobody has written a book axploring the marriage perspective of same sex relationships relative to the Bible, perhaps the two of you could write something and start with a transcript of this You Tube Presentation.
People wrongly think Isaac was a child. He wasn't. He was a young man who went to live on his own after that incident.
So in the end what is the simplest practical answer to this? Why is same sex relationship evil? Because it was condemned in the Jewish laws? Does the Jewish laws apply to gentiles? Is there a short practical and obvious, biblical answer here or just a long string of interpretations? I assume something so evil that brings down fire from heaven should be more obvious to understand like "don't steal".
Man and woman marrying are performing a ritual where they spiritually represent God's love for Israel, Christ's love for His church. Even unbelievers, and Christians whose marriages are broken, are still doing this because God invented marriage, and He makes the two one flesh, just as Jesus took on human flesh for His bride.
God takes these sorts of physical enactments of spiritual realities seriously: remember when God told Moses to ask the rock for water, when he had previously told him to strike it? But Moses got mad and struck the rock the second time, thus ruining the picture God was painting where the rock (Jesus) would be struck (sacrificed/chastised) once and become a source a life-giving water for His people, and thereafter the water would flow for the asking. Because Moses disobeyed God the second time, God did not allow him to enter the Promised Land. It was serious.
Marriage is serious.
for me the debate on this topic is over, now it seems talking points where just repeated
Amen it's great to understand to help individuals see truth amen I'm trying to figure out conclusion it's base on feeling truth not on historical truths on God's word
"negate yourself, take your cross and follow me" also "be saints like your Father in heaven is saint" pretty tells He wouldnt change His idea, because its impossible, His holiness make anything intrisically wrong against nature and sin go away.
People should think for a moment: how would be heaven for the rest of eternity? what do people think that heaven will be?
As far as i can tell you, in those 2 and half years away from bad friendship and lgbt media, also self aware of my own limitations and temptations around same sex, you are defined by what you do and inner thoughts you accept. God can read hearts.
If you have a colourful flag, it tells your neigbor your mindset and life style, without even telling anyonw.. How holiness enter your life, if you share or defend same sex "marriage"? How to not quote Paul's quote against the sodomites and feminine man you will never go against it? also for woman, same sex "love" relation and omission to give advice against it?
Being Christian + being affirmative in LGBT group is either someone in the wall or someone that is liberal and dont care about leaving others to salvation, or even thinks salvation suffices by "just believing" but not obbeying the recomendations the Church always gifted since the apostles.
You can be eunuc for the reing of heaven, if you think you will never get a opposite sex partner, no one should oblige you to marry someone. IT's also easier by the words of Apostle Paul, the life of sinlge, as you will give more time to God, and not divide time with your husband/wife and family.
If you read the Bible carefully, those instances where God changes His mind, like Sodom and Gomorrah, wanting to destroy the Israelites in the desert and Nineveh, was because of intervention of someone pleading mercy. Abraham pleaded to spare the cities if there are ten righteous people, so God agreed. Moses pleaded for the Israelites, reminding God of the covenant, and after Nineveh repented, God forgave them. He doesn't change His mind on a whim, but it was the people who begged Him to change His mind.
Now I understand why He's called Heavenly Father, He really acts like a dad doesn't He?
Would love to hear Rosaria Butterfield and Christopher Yuan on this too.
Did Jesus not die for all sin? This is why people are deconstructing because they see the hypocrisy of lordship salvation and calvinism. I'm gay and the holy spirit baptized me one day. I'll never not ignore Jesus ever. I know I will be chastened for my sin's like other believers, but my love for Jesus is eternal and I know I'm saved.