Isaac Arthur I don’t know if you still see comments from this long ago, but I’ve been watching for about five years and thought this was a good thread to thank you for getting me through several classes (started watching in junior high and I’m a senior now)
Alien scientist: "Sir, in a few decades they'll be on to us. What are your orders?" Alien commander: "Slow retreat!" *Jupiter and Kuiper belt start slowly drift away on a trajectory out of the solar system*
You.. Me? Yes you. Me? Who else.. Me? Etc etc .. never getting there hahaha. This one and the dolphins get it too. th-cam.com/video/4DJeSvDr3iw/w-d-xo.html
legend says that in 12000 years when humanity is ready to settle alpha centauri... Isaac Arthur is still uploading podcasts saying "that is the first rule of warfare, after all"
@@derekofoma5120 Nuclear power could already get a spacecraft up to 5% lightspeed, so, using giant lasers (see Isaac Arthur's Interstellar Highways episode) to push a spacecraft to 5% c and then using the rest of then using the fuel already inside to decelerate at the destination would be possible and would reach A. Centauri in 80 years or so.
Ironically it make sense because during the war many seemingly insignificant factors can make you loose. So generally all rules of warfare are equally important.
@@TheLiamis, your buddies Goebbels, Goering, Hess, Himmler and Mussolini would've profited from an "Isaac Arthur's Compendium of Military Strategy & Tactics". Too late now. We're doomed. At least Operation Paperclip worked out.
The Earth isn't just a zoo. It's a reality TV show produced for the entertainment of the rest of the universe. Aliens love their trashy intergalactic programming. South Park knows the truth.
@Just an alien with some internet access No, we're not. We are just ambitions and rambunctious. A mega-death here and there is just a playful expression of the joy of being alive.
Blake Walsh Blake Walsh Zuckerborg has the personality flotsam & jetsam, come to think of it I’ve met driftwood with more savoir faire. That dead-eyed look of his gives me the heeby-jeebies, good grief.
In a novel series I’m writing, the main premise is that an entire extraterrestrial federation with intentions to study the entire Local Group (or further, if they can reach beyond the Local Group) have been studying sapient civilizations from the shadows (non-intrusively) since the dawn of the Human Genus, and humans aren’t the only species that were studied. Basically, the first novel starts with said federation deciding to make first contact with humanity after Apollo 11 happened. Their envoy was supposed to arrive by wormhole in 2016 to start offering trade and federation membership to Humanity in addition to new tech, but they wind up being 20 years late due to a miscalculation.
Theory: Isaac is the alien ( how else would he know so much? ), and he is trying to ease our transition into the galactic society with his work, so this video is pretty meta :P
@@rmeddy It's a speech impediment. I may be wrong, but his series has been a way for him to improve his speaking ability - it was harder to understand him in his earlier videos.
And Isaac's constantly changing First Rule Of Warfare is evidence of his being an alien. He natively thinks in quantum bits, so "first" is whatever permutation is active at the moment!
I find myself wondering, could first contact itself be a Great Filter? While "I saved a civilization" makes a great epitath, "I drowned a civilization in a sea of blood by accident" is the sort of stuff that can motivate nations to make sure it doesn't happen again. I'll have to think through it some more, but that just hit me while listening to this episode
@@thesaucyprophesy2939 Actually trying to say something slightly different. What if the effects of a non-malicious first contact are difficult enough that many races do not survive it, unless the initiating civilization is extremely careful about it. I'm just thinking of our own history with first contacts. While some of them have gone well, many of them have gone very badly for the locals and caused a lot of issues, and more than a few plagues and mass die-offs. Of the older civilization has a history of contacts with younger civilizations that ultimately ended up with the younger civilization being destroyed as a result of that, I could see that being a motivation for them to block off contacts until either the younger civilizations reached a point they could survive contact, and the older civilization had the skills and tools to do it safely. This would be doubly true if the older civilization was not malicious and the deaths of the younger civilizations were not the intended results.
@@fluffysomething-or-other2724 Accidentally genocide, not intentional genocide. Think something more like, there's something that's very common to high tech space faring races that ends up being very dangerous when it gets loose in lower tech civilizations, like a near-suicide pact technology that you have to get past to become interstellar or a social equivalent to small pox, or the like. I'm not sure what it would be yet. Attack of the recurrent meme? Just wondering if that could be a thing, and could offer sufficient motivation to create a solar system scale quarantine zone?
I’m pretty early, so I can congratulate Isaac first on what is sure to be a fascinating episode. I just hope our keepers bring apples instead of cabbage today, because if not , I will definitely throw some poo at a grandma!
Well, this zoo animal is happy as long as he gets the regular allotment of Isaac Arthur videos. Our alien zookeepers obviously know their stuff when it comes to keeping their charges content!
I got alcohol, cigarettes, various “drugs”, infinite entertainment, a somewhat fulfilling life with a parent and partner who love me. It’s not perfect. But if I’m in a zoo. This is clearly a good zoo.
Always love the Fermi episodes. Happy to see your channel continue to grow Isaac! Keep up the great work. The comments reflect how much demand these types of videos have.
Imagine how funny it'd be if we accidentally started an interstellar war because we crashed a probe into Jupiters atmosphere to collect data - not realising that Jupiter is in fact a thinly disguised alien megastructure
I don't think they'd be starting a war because of that, though... More like someone sighing in the middle of their holo deck: "Jeff, they did it again!" "One of their tiny metal probe-thingies?" "Yeah, came down right in AK-27-Z, send some nanite swarms to fix that..." "Can't they write a functional dimensional-navigation algorithm FOR ONCE?! IT IS NOT THAT HARD!" "Calm down, Jeff, not like it happens more often than once one of their decades or so..."
@@midnight8341 To be more serious, I imagine it'd be more like when a child does something stupid that causes problems for other people. We find it annoying and we might be angry, but we realise they're relatively naive and don't have an understanding of the world that we'd expect an adult to :P But tbf in this scenario, if you're basically hiding your megastructure so that it looks like a gas giant, you are kind of asking for something like that to happen lol. This would be like lying on your neighbours overgrown lawn in a ghillie suit and then getting run over by your neighbour's kid when he's mowing the lawn
@@tommeakin1732 you're assuming that gas giants are naturally occurring planetoids and not artificial structures. For all we know, all gas giants are veiled alien structures made for whatever purpose.
Lecturer: Rule 1 of warfare is never hand someone a gun unless you know where they'll aim it CIA: [rushes in flustered and panting] Sorry I'm late, I'll get the notes from a friend later...
Eliminating a competitor by digitizing them and securing them from destruction. A rather interesting and plausible take on the topic of apocalypse from the void. Would love to see a story that incorporates such a topic. Would be interesting to see what others think of it. Another fantastic video Isaac and team.
Nope, once no more development (digitizing = no more random fluctuation of space) means end of progress. Video is cute, but... nothing new. I'd prefer either new content (very very hard to come by), speculation (you get lots of aggression) or 3-5 old episodes compressed. That said, I'll still watch every episode, entertaining and fun. For now :)
This is one of my favourite conclusions; as it summarizes that the life itself is such a mundane; high occurance that it is a barren; even mediocre concept for more advanced galactic powers; most likely not worth their time to intervene & indoctrinate every lowest tier shuttlecrafting civilazations they encounter
"You can always pause the simulation and tinker if you need to." "Scan their brains, then flip them off and turn them on again." Could this be the cause of the Mandela Effect?
Are humans healthy though? Like the Pyongyang zoo that had a chimp who smoked a pack a day of cigarettes. If this is health. I don’t want to be around to see what non health is.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 You might live to see what non-health is if we don't get our act together on climate change! ...That joke wasn't supposed to sound so political.
Light speed travel wold to slow for reliable interstellar communities. Faster then light travel is required but that means physical communication becomes the fastest way as well. That means that for a interstellar community faster then light communication is just as necessary. That means that whatever that form of communication is it can't be received by our primitive ethnology. So an addendum to the Star Treck rule of discovering Warp drive wold be the discovery of subspace communication be the condition for contact.
Nah, philosopher Boström stated that (well not sure of the spelling). But yeah, that's why people are so stupid, we're in about billionth (or near infinity) level down in game inside game etc...
He has done one on incomprehensible aliens if I recall correctly. You can check it out in his webpage. They're neatly there according to topic so easy to check.
I like the aliens watching humans through a glass wall, with the humans watching dolphins through a glass wall. And then Isaac looking back over at the aliens.
@AbsoluteTurtler the lore in warhammer 40k is epic. When I referenced the war in heaven,'it was an epic war between the Necrons and the old ones that happened millions of years ago.
In Warfare: "The persuasiveness of your argument is directly proportional to the size of your nads" For America, that's a nuclear warhead. For aliens, that's a stellar object.
The biggest problem the Fermi paradox has is this : if humanity got to that point in technology where we had many planets under our control, would we do any of those solutions?
Mostly but it's not really a 'problem' so much as a way of determining if a solution makes sense, though of course we have to try to also ask 'would someone else do that?', things like colonization might be fairly universal tendencies since its got a clear biological root that we expect to emerge as a tendency anywhere Darwinian life had emerged but others are trickier.
Several Billions of years passed before Earth was even formed, and then a few more billion passed before we Humans became a thing. Hundreds of alien civilizations could have rose and fallen during that time. To say Humans are late to the party would be an understatement.
18:11 Alien 1: oh look, the "animal human experiments" are angry, shame they don't fall under "true sentience" in our scientific laws. Ok sterilize the experiment planet now and move on. Humanity: D: !!!
Whenever someone throws around that kind of argument-that humanity doesn't qualify as "true sentience" according to an alien civilization-I want to ask them what could possibly be that "higher sentience" that they would put the definition at? You can argue that since we aren't maximally intelligent, there must be discrete steps of intelligence above ours that other life-forms could reach, but that strikes me as being more than a little akin to attempts to define God into existence.
Alien 2: That's it, we've had it with your disgusting disregard for sapient life. Prepare to be exterminated. Never again will you create sapience in scientific experiments only to murder them because of your fucked up definition of "true sapience"! Alien 3: ALL MUST BE ASSIMILATED
I have long thought the Simulation Hypothesis is the most plausible explanation for the Fermi Paradox. But, Isaac just took it to a new level with the idea that aliens may have built the simulation either to protect us, or more likely to prevent us from becoming the competition.
I've always imagined the zoo hypothesis a bit differently. Like... they'd have sort of built the zoo by finding the right rock (planet/solar system) and putting events into motion that would make that rock support RNA and eventually life. I think of it more like a petri dish than a zoo maybe. I imagine it as an experiment to see what would evolve from these basic building blocks, perhaps in an attempt to watch their own evolution, etc. In case it's not implied heavily enough, I mean to say they'd be our relatives, that the RNA woulda been from them; OR they manufactured it somehow another way. The reason we wouldn't see them in this scenario is because it's a science experiment, so visitors may not even be allowed if this is like their lab. It's interesting to think about in the context that sometimes humans claim to be abducted and then returned after undergoing an exam and sometimes even being tagged under their skin. To me, this sounds like something scientists would do if they could. If the hypothesis is even a little true, their interest wouldn't just be us humans. It would be all kinds of life produced from that single sample of RNA, flora and fauna alike. This would explain why we don't see other planets quite like Earth AND the reason these aliens wouldn't interfere if it's a group project with like-minded individuals observing without any _obvious_ interference. If your society is post-scarcity, death-resistant, high tech, and curious, this is EXACTLY the kind of thing I'd expect them to do ESPECIALLY if you combine it with a rare earth hypothesis, where getting to know other species may be a matter of sparking their _creation_ and waiting around until something evolves enough like themselves to be approached. Earth may be some 6th grade alien's science fair project. His dad is helping him, of course.
I would dearly like to see a Fermi Paradox video that takes into account evolution and thermodynamics. Its like all the people discussing it have a blind spot when it comes to those.
@@zs9652 Humans and our tech are utterly dependant on the rest of the biosphere to exist and continue to advance. Its not even clear that a say, 10000 km^2 closed system habitat is possible here on Earth, much less in space, and it is certain that even if it were possible, technical advancement would not be possible within it. For starters, read physicists Ilya Prigogine's "Order Out of Chaos." In short, life is a far-from-equilibrium dissipative structure, and the most complex life is a vanishingly small peak in complexity of an ever-steepening complexity hill, if one were to graph it out. The suggestion that one can "shave off" the top, the most complex part, add a couple plants, transplant it into deep space and have a viable structure is not supported by any evidence at all, quite the opposite, in fact. This would apply to any complex dissipative structure, human or alien. Fermi Paradox solved.
@@ozzymandius666 I get it. So what you are saying is that creating viable habitats in space is so hard that no advancing civilization will be able to get past the infancy stage of ecosystem creation? Essentially making all civilizations a stay at home civilazation. But even if that is the case, could we still expect civilizations to advance to a point where they are using space drones to gather needed resources? I still think that has the possibility of getting big enough for us to see that something strange is going on in the alien's solar system.
@@zs9652 Perhaps. I tend to think that "economics" is the term applied by said dissipative structures to the thermodynamics of said structures. This may place limits on the tonnage of active deep space infrastructure. Heck, our ISS isn't scheduled to last beyond 2030, and space-borne resources are much more expensive than ones here on Earth. To build a viable 100 MW nuclear reactor here on Earth takes years, it is not clear to me that it could be done in space, even if we found an aluminum, heavy-water, iron and U-235-rich asteroid as raw materials. Even with good nuclear propulsion, we're looking at many months to years in space for the workforce, exposed to cosmic rays and zero-gee. People mention robots, but even here on Earth, we have not made so much as a ball-bearing without much human toil, much less advanced stuff like cars and spaceships. People look at telecom/data-processing tech advances, and think that that applies straight across the board, when in fact most of that is just bandwidth and data processing. We haven't changed the maximum speed of, say, intercontinental travel for the last 50 years, in fact, when we noticed that the Concord was not economically viable (read thermodynamically viable), our maximum speed dropped. As I see it, at best, we may be able to perhaps get a bit of stuff outta the Moon, and if we were serious about space colonization, all our efforts would be there, as I think that is the only, albeit vanishingly slim hope of ever establishing a viable human presence outside of the biosphere. Oh, and history indicates that the peaks of the complexity curve are not stable, they have shown evidence of cyclic collapse and re-birth, getting a bit steeper each time, but also being more dependant on the rest of the biosphere to exist. If that happens, all space-born human endeavor dies off (from no longer having access to the biosphere) and, hopefully comes into being again at a later time. I think the best we can do is some small, temporary outposts and some probes.
@@ozzymandius666 Do check other I.A's videos about fermi paradox (yeah, skip the insane ones) from his named website. There still might be one (I think IA think we're first) that's spreading, also some cheap-tonnage to orbit systems are presented in older videos (which I prefer, though less graphically perfect they do show some nice theories and ideas).
17:12 I'm reminded that Neil Armstrong claims to have said "One small step for A man", while mission control heard "One small step for man". Poor signal strength? Possibly... Or was it the split-second between Aliens cutting off communications and switching the Armstrong and Armstrong-clone?
I got hooked on these videos a few months ago and went back and watched every video, I cant watch anything else before bed anymore nothing comes close to this. I rewatch my favorite episodes when I'm waiting for new ones. I finally know why people in comments sections love arthursdsy
good point about echo chambers and the tendency of them to exclude outside points of view even if only for consideration of there own ideas. I almost wonder what a paperclip maximizer echo chamber would look like, lol.
I often think that any alien civilisation trying to keep us from finding out about them might even alter our perception, so that we see the speed of light as this unsuperable barrier to space travel and communication. They could do anything like that, and make space travel seem much harder than it actually is.
This ought to be good! I’ve been waiting for this one, since I’ve long pondered the Zookeeper Hypothesis as very plausible scenario for any Eldritch species tired of witnessing reoccurring mass extinction events throughout the galaxy. Entropy (AKA death, decay) being one of the most basic primordial forces in the universe demands that all life struggle against the dying of the light!
I think there's a lot to be said about cyclical disasters, something like recurrent micro-novae would be one of the best Fermi Paradox solutions. There's been suggestion that our own star is a recurrent micro-nova star, "popping" every 12,000 years or so. We've found a lot of evidence that the glaciers that we've been using to give ages for things, are not anywhere near as old as we initially assumed.
Left Ohio many years ago and now live in beautiful Tennessee but after visiting most of the country I think Ohio is actually pretty decent if, big if, you like cold snowy weather. It has some beautiful areas, good farmland, a huge fresh water lake and plenty of lush green temperate forests. Not so bad. I've seen a lot worse. Maryland, Delware (puke), Rhode Island, New Jersey (gag)... pretty much most of the I-95 Northeast Corridor IMO sucks!!!
I always think it's kinda weird how when people discuss aliens, they usually still use words like "resent" or "moral high ground," assuming that the alien races would operate under the exact same emotions, rationals, and social constructs as humans
If you look into it many of these emotional constructs are artifacts of probability and statistics. With evolutionary problems like the prisoners dilemma and other things were an animal needs an answer now but doesn't have enough information for a rational decision. One of the good things about this channel is that they do try to distinguish between things that just seem rather random and things where you can see rather solid reasons for aliens to "feel" that way. Isaac's note about curiosity being linked to technology for example.
Imagine a nearby radio capable civilization camped out on "Earth TV" 24-7 ripping all the scraps of our various technologies that we happen to televise. A noisy civilization can theoretically easily distort the development of other civilizations just by talking to themselves openly about their world.
Hmm.. Idea alien prison planet! Imagine if Earth was in such a shell, and this was done so that they could use Earth as a ethical type prison planet. Where bad aliens are sent to live out the rest of their life as a member of Earth. Some minor memory wipes, of their past. Then make them think that they are a person of Earth. And poof, alien prison planet.. Worse yet one would never know! lol
@@thingamabitch, all could have started with all but two criminals. And who said the Aliens need be flesh and blood. Maybe all are exiles from a computer world. Scary thought.
Love how when he quotes rules of warfare hes always on #1. Why? Because what is relevant to the current situation always takes priority. Warfare rule #1- always be ready to change the rules.
Makes me wonder if the universe itself isn’t a Hyper-Matrioshka brain, being used as a zoo for us in a type of virtual reality that is so real that it’s truly real...akin to the solution to The Last Question and the heat death of the universe.
@@tonyknievel2223 In the same way we'd expect aliens to be curious, we would also expect them to exchange goods, ideas, etc. which would probably mean some form of monetary system.
Yeah but i don't expect anything too comprehensible from an alien either. I'd say ok if they are not flying blobs that absorb energy but more like "flesh" and "bone" curious "civilizations" they might (probably) use some sort of currency or equivalent, we do it so why not them?, also they might not we don't know, what i am sure of is that our money will equal peanuts. I would actually rather accept peanuts instead 😂😂😂😂😂 imagine alien civilization comes to earth and says we want to buy 100 metal machining factories or whatever and we give you 10000000 blergs for them deal? What is even a blerg?
Haven't even watched fully yet, but after hearing that opening line of "But if we are a zoo, we have to wonder what their equivalent of peanuts are" Which is why, perhaps, we'd be more like a park/reserve that can be observed and maybe even studied, with as little interference as possible, as to keep the experience and object on display as "pristine" and "authentic" as alienly possible. And now let's watch. "Or just passing through on their way somewhere else. [...] but Earth is not an exit ramp with gas stations and restaurants." I must once again suggest the comic books Port of Earth who play especially with this idea, haha.
Well that was a glitch on my part, youtube's new interface is a bit different and I forgot to release it here after posting all the other links to it on Social Media for about 10 minutes :P
One thing I'm thinking is that you don't actually need to block travel for many millions of years, if every so often someone gets through that's okay so long as it's not too often. If someone had arrived on our planet 70 million years ago depending on what they did there would be little to absolutely no chance we'd discover that. And you can always clean up afterwards, if a streaker makes it through the security for a football game and spreads toilet paper everywhere we don't just put our hands up and go "oh well" we evict them and clean up afterwards. Given that within known physics it'd probably take at least a few decades to travel here from the nearest solar system and you'd be able to see that they started traveling long before they got here it probably would not be hard to shoot most of them down in time and then the few that did get through your outer defenses you might catch before they reach the planet or if they manage to land then now they're actually fairly easy to catch since they're sitting on a planet, you could probably even use some pretty heavy weaponry and we wouldn't be able to tell. And with the clean up if you have nanobots you can probably clean up on a microscopic level. They'd only really need to make sure no one made it through in the last few thousand years and that's not a lot of time on an astronomical scale. Also it would stand to reason that it would be easier to get through with a smaller ship because that's harder to hit, more maneuverable and easier to hide but it also follows that the smaller the ship the less impact it would be able to have on the planet simply because it can't carry a lot. So that sorta makes the problem self solving, if you can make sure that only a few relatively small ships get through every few million years then it would be easy to hide. Also another thing that'd probably work to your advantage is that you'd probably get the most excitement right when the new planet with life is discovered, whether that be right as our planet developed life or only a few tens of millions of years ago. So at that point you'd get the most people trying to get through to the planet and if you then just make it very clear that you will kill anyone who tries to get in and keep up that effort for a few thousand years then people will probably get the message and mostly stop trying apart from a few. A lot of defenses in our world works on the same principle of dissuading people from trying in the first place. Barbed wire do a good job of convincing most people of staying away from something even though it can be fairly easily cleared with some wire cutters and gloves. If you just absolutely demolish anyone who tries in the first few thousand years and don't even give them a chance most people will probably not want to try again. It might seem cruel but tbf this is not anymore extreme than the lengths we go to, to protect some threatened animals or valuable ecosystem, we also have people that will shoot on sight to protect these. Though you might not even have to kill them, a big defense laser could probably also be used to just put them off course and most speculative designs for interstellar starships don't have much course correction. Just like gently force them to go to the next star over instead. Similar to how we secure air spaces and harbors, just intercept and then however gently or forcefully you need to steer them away. Though again going heavy in at the start might be a good idea just to get the message out that you mean business.
Isaac Arthur Re: whispers in the night - I generally take the position that we are an obviously proto-intelligent species. One of my favorite questions since about 1995 when I wander down this rabbit hole: Hypothetically imagine all intelligent species quickly discover spread spectrum 300 terahertz gravity wave band communications tunnel through time-space instantaneously (ftl) and learn quickly how to abandon all pre-ftl (faster than light) communication methods. Assuming all intelligent species communicate both telepathically and artificially in this hypothetical ftl band, why would they need to leave home all that much and how would we know they were there? I hope whispers in the night is on this question.
To watch is to learn . Control experience by Control experiments. Interaction per se will remove natural reactions. To learn is to understand and to help.
I know I am very late on this topic, but what if Earth is a private Zoo, owned by one being who has exclusive, possibly secret ownership of our planet as his own vacation spot/nature preserve? Would be interesting at least
Here's another idea for the Fermi paradox. Maybe the universe IS filled with life, and we can't tell because we're looking for carbon-based protoplasm. Maybe there are so many DIFFERENT ways life could arise that it does so on every planet, and perhaps even inside every star, but the possibility space for ways life can exist is so broad that it's always a new a form so radically different from us that even looking right at it, we don't see it. Maybe Jupiter's red spot is a tornado-based life form made of subtle changes in wind currents. Maybe a thin algae-like rust-based life form is choking Mars, its life cycle defined by the sand shadows and brittleness and resurfacing which are its equivalent of metabolism. Maybe the sun's solar flares are plasma dragons whose internal chemistry is nuclear fusion, leaping from the fusion-degenerate ocean mass below the star's surface. We'd never know because it's too alien for us to even see it. We just see weird rocks, weird weather, and planets devoid of our form of life. We're completely oblivious that Andromeda and the Milky Way are both sentient and romantically interested in each other and have been planning their marriage for billions of years.
I like to believe that we're the North Sentinel Island of the galaxy and that we're left alone due to how violent and primitive we are, yet they study us and sometimes drop off tidbits of technology. Perhaps Roswell was the galactic equivalent of the Primrose wreck.
We have an actual example of the Zoo hypothesis implemented on Earth right now, kind of. North Sentinel Island has an indigenous population that the world at large has agreed to leave alone. It's not perfect of course, those people are aware that we exist, and a few people do try to visit them, which usually doesn't end well for those would be visitors, but it could be a starting point for designing something that would actually work on the scale of a whole planet.
If space travel is hard, then it is easy to stop any rogue alien trying to interfere. Our radio signal detection isn't good enough to pick up what a rogue alien can manage to send out from a space ship some X light years away. And some alien-spottings might just be people seeing the zoo-keepers, no one believes them anyways.
quote from here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_for_extraterrestrial_intelligence "SETI ... is arguably not a falsifiable experiment. Regardless of how exhaustively the Galaxy is searched, the null result of radio silence doesn't rule out the existence of alien civilizations. It means only that those civilizations might not be using radio to communicate
Reminds me of an Analog story (Ray Brown, I think) in which a world went digital and their children, raised digital, came to disbelieve in a "real world", assuming the original universe was just another digital environment. And then began to digitize whole solar systems, and one can see what that looked like from the point of view of still-physical people...
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Congratulations on winning the NSS Space Pioneer Award for Education via Mass Media! I know you don't do this for awards, but well deserved.
Thanks!
Darn people up this comment... Well deserved by IA.
Isaac Arthur I don’t know if you still see comments from this long ago, but I’ve been watching for about five years and thought this was a good thread to thank you for getting me through several classes (started watching in junior high and I’m a senior now)
I joined just some weeks ago. I am still exploring your amazing content. Thank you so much!
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Alien scientist: "Sir, in a few decades they'll be on to us. What are your orders?"
Alien commander: "Slow retreat!"
*Jupiter and Kuiper belt start slowly drift away on a trajectory out of the solar system*
Spooky.
*Pluto then follows*
Send that idea to Dust TH-cam channel.
@@mahadaalvi It's a Kuiper belt object...
Moon slowly creeps out of orbit
4:10 Chances of aliens choosing Isaac's back yard: better than average!
Yes, a bunch of Asgardians live there in a carefully-stealthed yurt.
A near certainty once the orbital ring and SFIA space elevator to Ashtabula is built.
Lmaooo
This is in fact.. couldn't be a closer call indeed.. but in fact this is DNA's back yard. Don't Panic
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This one and the dolphins get it too.
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legend says that in 12000 years when humanity is ready to settle alpha centauri...
Isaac Arthur is still uploading podcasts saying "that is the first rule of warfare, after all"
Not "Sending robots to colonize nearest stars and put defenses there is the first rule of warfare" being Proxima Centauri ?
12000 years, seems very pessimistic lol.
Guess we’re rushing a bit
@@crazyahhkmed Really? 12,000 seems legit to me especially if we don't have a paradigm shift in technology.
@@derekofoma5120 Nuclear power could already get a spacecraft up to 5% lightspeed, so, using giant lasers (see Isaac Arthur's Interstellar Highways episode) to push a spacecraft to 5% c and then using the rest of then using the fuel already inside to decelerate at the destination would be possible and would reach A. Centauri in 80 years or so.
@15:19 - "That might sound pretty crazy, but in truth it's not that hard to do."
"If brute force isn't working, you're not using enough" will always be my favorite.
@crispy 😁 Yep, the old construction rule "Get a bigger hammer!"
Gotta love the 1st rule of warfare.
Lol. How many 1st rules of warfare are there? This channel seems to have quite a few.
Well, the first rule of warfare is to not die. So needless to say it has a LOT of addendums
Ironically it make sense because during the war many seemingly insignificant factors can make you loose. So generally all rules of warfare are equally important.
@@TheRezro Yeah, Like the fact that Adolf Hitler was asleep during the invasion of Normandy so they couldn't mobilize their Panzers in time.
It certainly accounts for everything.
Can someone please compile a list of "Isaac Arthur's First Rules of Warfare".
He's the post-modern Sun Tsu!
First rule of warfare. There are no first rules of warfare.
@@TheLiamis, your buddies Goebbels, Goering, Hess, Himmler and Mussolini would've profited from an "Isaac Arthur's Compendium of Military Strategy & Tactics".
Too late now.
We're doomed.
At least Operation Paperclip worked out.
Charm Monster on Umber Hulks
Anthony Stromeyer - First Rule of Warfare - The best war is the one you avoid;
2nd Rule - If you’re in one, you’ve failed.
Win
17:53 if you're not partying this hard i don't even want to make contact with you
If they party at all like most stupid humans i dont wanne have contact with them.
@@justicehiwstb7503 It's okay, there are probably aliens like us at home, rolling their eyes at the frat reptoids.
They’re vibing
The Earth isn't just a zoo. It's a reality TV show produced for the entertainment of the rest of the universe. Aliens love their trashy intergalactic programming. South Park knows the truth.
like The Truman Show, or in this case, The Human Show
@Just an alien with some internet access No, we're not. We are just ambitions and rambunctious. A mega-death here and there is just a playful expression of the joy of being alive.
@@ozzymandius666 The internet is an illusion so are cell phones!
SHOW US WHAT YOU GOT!
@Just an alien with some internet access Only hive minds unite. We kill each other off because its fun, and to provide evolutionary pressure.
3:01 "Aliens wouldn't have any relatives here"
What about Zuckerberg?
hes not an alien.. hes a robot
Blake Walsh Blake Walsh Zuckerborg has the personality flotsam & jetsam, come to think of it I’ve met driftwood with more savoir faire. That dead-eyed look of his gives me the heeby-jeebies, good grief.
@@avery7690 Post Biological Entity -> Your argument is invalid.
@@adolfodef lol so cyborg?
Why not Zuckerberg?
In a novel series I’m writing, the main premise is that an entire extraterrestrial federation with intentions to study the entire Local Group (or further, if they can reach beyond the Local Group) have been studying sapient civilizations from the shadows (non-intrusively) since the dawn of the Human Genus, and humans aren’t the only species that were studied. Basically, the first novel starts with said federation deciding to make first contact with humanity after Apollo 11 happened. Their envoy was supposed to arrive by wormhole in 2016 to start offering trade and federation membership to Humanity in addition to new tech, but they wind up being 20 years late due to a miscalculation.
sounds interesting, i hope you publish it soon and I'm able to find them somehow
Sounds genuinely interesting!
sounds cool
Sounds dumb
@@Lyle-xc9pg yip
Theory: Isaac is the alien ( how else would he know so much? ), and he is trying to ease our transition into the galactic society with his work, so this video is pretty meta :P
Haha
Yeah what's up with that accent?
@@rmeddy It's a speech impediment. I may be wrong, but his series has been a way for him to improve his speaking ability - it was harder to understand him in his earlier videos.
@@owiela we are just more used to him now is all. He still sounds the same. We just know him(his voice and speech) alot more now
And Isaac's constantly changing First Rule Of Warfare is evidence of his being an alien. He natively thinks in quantum bits, so "first" is whatever permutation is active at the moment!
I find myself wondering, could first contact itself be a Great Filter? While "I saved a civilization" makes a great epitath, "I drowned a civilization in a sea of blood by accident" is the sort of stuff that can motivate nations to make sure it doesn't happen again.
I'll have to think through it some more, but that just hit me while listening to this episode
Can you reword this so I can understand it better? I'm not really getting what you mean
@@thesaucyprophesy2939 He's saying genocide by alien invasion could be a Great Filter. The Reaper hypothesis essentially.
@@thesaucyprophesy2939 Actually trying to say something slightly different. What if the effects of a non-malicious first contact are difficult enough that many races do not survive it, unless the initiating civilization is extremely careful about it.
I'm just thinking of our own history with first contacts. While some of them have gone well, many of them have gone very badly for the locals and caused a lot of issues, and more than a few plagues and mass die-offs.
Of the older civilization has a history of contacts with younger civilizations that ultimately ended up with the younger civilization being destroyed as a result of that, I could see that being a motivation for them to block off contacts until either the younger civilizations reached a point they could survive contact, and the older civilization had the skills and tools to do it safely. This would be doubly true if the older civilization was not malicious and the deaths of the younger civilizations were not the intended results.
@@fluffysomething-or-other2724 Accidentally genocide, not intentional genocide. Think something more like, there's something that's very common to high tech space faring races that ends up being very dangerous when it gets loose in lower tech civilizations, like a near-suicide pact technology that you have to get past to become interstellar or a social equivalent to small pox, or the like.
I'm not sure what it would be yet. Attack of the recurrent meme? Just wondering if that could be a thing, and could offer sufficient motivation to create a solar system scale quarantine zone?
How do you commit accidental genocide?
I’m pretty early, so I can congratulate Isaac first on what is sure to be a fascinating episode. I just hope our keepers bring apples instead of cabbage today, because if not , I will definitely throw some poo at a grandma!
"Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm hunting da awiens." I can understand you just fine, Isaac! Love bingewatching your channel. Thank you!
Well, this zoo animal is happy as long as he gets the regular allotment of Isaac Arthur videos. Our alien zookeepers obviously know their stuff when it comes to keeping their charges content!
I got alcohol, cigarettes, various “drugs”, infinite entertainment, a somewhat fulfilling life with a parent and partner who love me. It’s not perfect. But if I’m in a zoo. This is clearly a good zoo.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 Envy you :/ Darn I pulled no good cards, oh well.
Happy Arthursday.
I prefer the Quarantine aspect of the Zoo Hypothesis, where they aren't talking to us because we're, for one reason or another, absolutely terrifying.
Always love the Fermi episodes. Happy to see your channel continue to grow Isaac! Keep up the great work. The comments reflect how much demand these types of videos have.
Imagine how funny it'd be if we accidentally started an interstellar war because we crashed a probe into Jupiters atmosphere to collect data - not realising that Jupiter is in fact a thinly disguised alien megastructure
I don't think they'd be starting a war because of that, though... More like someone sighing in the middle of their holo deck: "Jeff, they did it again!"
"One of their tiny metal probe-thingies?"
"Yeah, came down right in AK-27-Z, send some nanite swarms to fix that..."
"Can't they write a functional dimensional-navigation algorithm FOR ONCE?! IT IS NOT THAT HARD!"
"Calm down, Jeff, not like it happens more often than once one of their decades or so..."
@@midnight8341 To be more serious, I imagine it'd be more like when a child does something stupid that causes problems for other people. We find it annoying and we might be angry, but we realise they're relatively naive and don't have an understanding of the world that we'd expect an adult to :P But tbf in this scenario, if you're basically hiding your megastructure so that it looks like a gas giant, you are kind of asking for something like that to happen lol. This would be like lying on your neighbours overgrown lawn in a ghillie suit and then getting run over by your neighbour's kid when he's mowing the lawn
@@tommeakin1732 I am so lucky my neighbour was the lazy sort...
@@tommeakin1732 you're assuming that gas giants are naturally occurring planetoids and not artificial structures. For all we know, all gas giants are veiled alien structures made for whatever purpose.
"We get that you didn't mean to damage our property, but seriously, how did you think this was a 'natural' planet? You can't be that stupid." :)
Lecturer: Rule 1 of warfare is never hand someone a gun unless you know where they'll aim it
CIA: [rushes in flustered and panting] Sorry I'm late, I'll get the notes from a friend later...
Awesome episode as always.
Sidenote:
6:12 Techno Viking Alien :D
Eliminating a competitor by digitizing them and securing them from destruction.
A rather interesting and plausible take on the topic of apocalypse from the void. Would love to see a story that incorporates such a topic. Would be interesting to see what others think of it.
Another fantastic video Isaac and team.
Nope, once no more development (digitizing = no more random fluctuation of space) means end of progress.
Video is cute, but... nothing new. I'd prefer either new content (very very hard to come by), speculation (you get lots of aggression) or 3-5 old episodes compressed.
That said, I'll still watch every episode, entertaining and fun. For now :)
Hey Isaac, congrats on your Space Pioneer award from the National Space Society, very well deserved!
Ah the "first rule of warfare " is back!
It's always good to hear them. XD
This is one of my favourite conclusions; as it summarizes that the life itself is such a mundane; high occurance that it is a barren; even mediocre concept for more advanced galactic powers; most likely not worth their time to intervene & indoctrinate every lowest tier shuttlecrafting civilazations they encounter
Especially if a space fairing alien was AI. Life would just be boring noise to an AI.
@@TheLiamis Omuamua *intensifies*
Boring noise i love it 😂
Let's hope "Earth" show doesn't get canceled...
it's gotten rather exciting recently, lot's of tension
"You can always pause the simulation and tinker if you need to."
"Scan their brains, then flip them off and turn them on again."
Could this be the cause of the Mandela Effect?
Stop it.
Zoo’s are quite expensive in space.
With all the different species with different ways they live, but we keep them healthy for the tourist to see.
Are humans healthy though? Like the Pyongyang zoo that had a chimp who smoked a pack a day of cigarettes. If this is health. I don’t want to be around to see what non health is.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 You might live to see what non-health is if we don't get our act together on climate change!
...That joke wasn't supposed to sound so political.
Imagine we land a person on Mars and then out of nowhere Q appears with a mariachi band to congratulate us or something, lol.
The answers lie in the Oort Cloud.
ArchEnema 67 and the voyager probes are there now.
@@moomoomoo33ass are they?
Hey i know you, you watch anton petrov's channel daily too just like me 😂
Auirtozz yes they are
send us chuck berry
As someone from Kansas, I can vouch for low light pollution which makes stargazing awesome 😎
I can't see any stars in my area the sky is just black not a single star. I wish I could see the milky way. I live in California btw.
Light speed travel wold to slow for reliable interstellar communities. Faster then light travel is required but that means physical communication becomes the fastest way as well. That means that for a interstellar community faster then light communication is just as necessary.
That means that whatever that form of communication is it can't be received by our primitive ethnology.
So an addendum to the Star Treck rule of discovering Warp drive wold be the discovery of subspace communication be the condition for contact.
Uh, google (for example) pdf space time channel, light speed isn't about speed of light... It's about speed of causality.
@@tonikotinurmi9012 Sorry, but "PDF" Spacetime? 😅
"The First Rule of Warfare" , a novel by Isaac Arthur.
So you're saying that our universe could be an alien child's game of Stellaris? Paradox is getting meta, putting games inside games...
Well, if that's the case, time to use the power of sheer spite to crawl out of the screen and vent some anger.
This a nested simulation
Time to use my Vultaum Reality Perforator
Nah, philosopher Boström stated that (well not sure of the spelling). But yeah, that's why people are so stupid, we're in about billionth (or near infinity) level down in game inside game etc...
Has Isaac actually done a video on aliens that are just so alien we wouldn't comprehend their logic?
He has done one on incomprehensible aliens if I recall correctly. You can check it out in his webpage. They're neatly there according to topic so easy to check.
Human civilization: "First!" (galactic crowd snickers)
Or
Humanity: HELLO NEIGHBOR- Where is everyone?...
The only reason to come here is to see Florida man in action. Careful! He's got a Bud Light!
I wish "that's the first rule of war" was a more commonly used meme.
I like the aliens watching humans through a glass wall, with the humans watching dolphins through a glass wall. And then Isaac looking back over at the aliens.
Kansas has the nation’s newest national park! Tallgrass Prairie is amazing!
@Carsonian The Great
It also has a 700# prairie dog and a two headed snake
drmachinewerke1 - Get outta town! No way!
I wants a super cut of every 1st rule of warfare, because they’re awesome.
YESSSS!!!! I haven't been this early since the war in heaven! ALL HAIL THE MAN EMPEROR OF MANKIND EMPEROR ISAAC ARTHUR!!!!
Tts and warhammer 40k nice
@Ufuk ER I love the Tts series for it's comedy and the fact it introduced me to warhammer 40k
Is the war in referance to stellaris, my friend?
@AbsoluteTurtler no, it's warhammer 40k,
@AbsoluteTurtler the lore in warhammer 40k is epic. When I referenced the war in heaven,'it was an epic war between the Necrons and the old ones that happened millions of years ago.
In Warfare:
"The persuasiveness of your argument is directly proportional to the size of your nads"
For America, that's a nuclear warhead. For aliens, that's a stellar object.
The biggest problem the Fermi paradox has is this : if humanity got to that point in technology where we had many planets under our control, would we do any of those solutions?
Kessler
of course...
c@mbaz such as?
Mostly but it's not really a 'problem' so much as a way of determining if a solution makes sense, though of course we have to try to also ask 'would someone else do that?', things like colonization might be fairly universal tendencies since its got a clear biological root that we expect to emerge as a tendency anywhere Darwinian life had emerged but others are trickier.
Kessler the zoo
@@isaacarthurSFIA Fluorine has close to carbon valences but I know you know that...
Several Billions of years passed before Earth was even formed, and then a few more billion passed before we Humans became a thing. Hundreds of alien civilizations could have rose and fallen during that time. To say Humans are late to the party would be an understatement.
18:11
Alien 1: oh look, the "animal human experiments" are angry, shame they don't fall under "true sentience" in our scientific laws. Ok sterilize the experiment planet now and move on.
Humanity: D: !!!
Humanity: Y-you can't do this to me-eee-ee! (sobs)
Aliens: (dance party at the humans anguish) Monkeys can't do nuffin 'bout it!
@@jasonbelstone3427 :p then my imperium of Terra from Stellaris shows up "Orly?" XD
*trumble* goes the truck over anthill.
Whenever someone throws around that kind of argument-that humanity doesn't qualify as "true sentience" according to an alien civilization-I want to ask them what could possibly be that "higher sentience" that they would put the definition at? You can argue that since we aren't maximally intelligent, there must be discrete steps of intelligence above ours that other life-forms could reach, but that strikes me as being more than a little akin to attempts to define God into existence.
Alien 2: That's it, we've had it with your disgusting disregard for sapient life. Prepare to be exterminated. Never again will you create sapience in scientific experiments only to murder them because of your fucked up definition of "true sapience"!
Alien 3: ALL MUST BE ASSIMILATED
Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden is quite awesome, Isaac.
Isaac! Love you man. Thank you for all of the great videos🙌🏽
The number 1 rule of warfare is always catch new episodes of SFIA
Been looking forward to this all morning!
I have long thought the Simulation Hypothesis is the most plausible explanation for the Fermi Paradox. But, Isaac just took it to a new level with the idea that aliens may have built the simulation either to protect us, or more likely to prevent us from becoming the competition.
So they don't create new stars for us at a bigger rate?
Damn, 1 hour since posting
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Spread that curiosity my fellow nerds!!!!
@Adam Klement that's exactly what a nerd would say!
Thank you Isaac, so much to mull over. That’s why I enjoy your uploads, you don’t just offer food for thought you serve an entire banquet.
I can’t wait for conscious stellar objects!
An entire planet that's actually a sentient ai created to understand existence.
So the Matryoshka Brain?
@@TheLiamis Or the sentient glacier-brain
I've always imagined the zoo hypothesis a bit differently. Like... they'd have sort of built the zoo by finding the right rock (planet/solar system) and putting events into motion that would make that rock support RNA and eventually life. I think of it more like a petri dish than a zoo maybe. I imagine it as an experiment to see what would evolve from these basic building blocks, perhaps in an attempt to watch their own evolution, etc. In case it's not implied heavily enough, I mean to say they'd be our relatives, that the RNA woulda been from them; OR they manufactured it somehow another way. The reason we wouldn't see them in this scenario is because it's a science experiment, so visitors may not even be allowed if this is like their lab. It's interesting to think about in the context that sometimes humans claim to be abducted and then returned after undergoing an exam and sometimes even being tagged under their skin. To me, this sounds like something scientists would do if they could. If the hypothesis is even a little true, their interest wouldn't just be us humans. It would be all kinds of life produced from that single sample of RNA, flora and fauna alike. This would explain why we don't see other planets quite like Earth AND the reason these aliens wouldn't interfere if it's a group project with like-minded individuals observing without any _obvious_ interference. If your society is post-scarcity, death-resistant, high tech, and curious, this is EXACTLY the kind of thing I'd expect them to do ESPECIALLY if you combine it with a rare earth hypothesis, where getting to know other species may be a matter of sparking their _creation_ and waiting around until something evolves enough like themselves to be approached. Earth may be some 6th grade alien's science fair project. His dad is helping him, of course.
5:22 Guys we actually live in the zoo of the zoo
I would dearly like to see a Fermi Paradox video that takes into account evolution and thermodynamics. Its like all the people discussing it have a blind spot when it comes to those.
Sounds interesting. What does that have to do with the fermi paradox?
@@zs9652 Humans and our tech are utterly dependant on the rest of the biosphere to exist and continue to advance. Its not even clear that a say, 10000 km^2 closed system habitat is possible here on Earth, much less in space, and it is certain that even if it were possible, technical advancement would not be possible within it. For starters, read physicists Ilya Prigogine's "Order Out of Chaos." In short, life is a far-from-equilibrium dissipative structure, and the most complex life is a vanishingly small peak in complexity of an ever-steepening complexity hill, if one were to graph it out. The suggestion that one can "shave off" the top, the most complex part, add a couple plants, transplant it into deep space and have a viable structure is not supported by any evidence at all, quite the opposite, in fact. This would apply to any complex dissipative structure, human or alien. Fermi Paradox solved.
@@ozzymandius666 I get it. So what you are saying is that creating viable habitats in space is so hard that no advancing civilization will be able to get past the infancy stage of ecosystem creation? Essentially making all civilizations a stay at home civilazation.
But even if that is the case, could we still expect civilizations to advance to a point where they are using space drones to gather needed resources? I still think that has the possibility of getting big enough for us to see that something strange is going on in the alien's solar system.
@@zs9652 Perhaps. I tend to think that "economics" is the term applied by said dissipative structures to the thermodynamics of said structures. This may place limits on the tonnage of active deep space infrastructure. Heck, our ISS isn't scheduled to last beyond 2030, and space-borne resources are much more expensive than ones here on Earth. To build a viable 100 MW nuclear reactor here on Earth takes years, it is not clear to me that it could be done in space, even if we found an aluminum, heavy-water, iron and U-235-rich asteroid as raw materials. Even with good nuclear propulsion, we're looking at many months to years in space for the workforce, exposed to cosmic rays and zero-gee. People mention robots, but even here on Earth, we have not made so much as a ball-bearing without much human toil, much less advanced stuff like cars and spaceships. People look at telecom/data-processing tech advances, and think that that applies straight across the board, when in fact most of that is just bandwidth and data processing. We haven't changed the maximum speed of, say, intercontinental travel for the last 50 years, in fact, when we noticed that the Concord was not economically viable (read thermodynamically viable), our maximum speed dropped. As I see it, at best, we may be able to perhaps get a bit of stuff outta the Moon, and if we were serious about space colonization, all our efforts would be there, as I think that is the only, albeit vanishingly slim hope of ever establishing a viable human presence outside of the biosphere.
Oh, and history indicates that the peaks of the complexity curve are not stable, they have shown evidence of cyclic collapse and re-birth, getting a bit steeper each time, but also being more dependant on the rest of the biosphere to exist. If that happens, all space-born human endeavor dies off (from no longer having access to the biosphere) and, hopefully comes into being again at a later time. I think the best we can do is some small, temporary outposts and some probes.
@@ozzymandius666 Do check other I.A's videos about fermi paradox (yeah, skip the insane ones) from his named website. There still might be one (I think IA think we're first) that's spreading, also some cheap-tonnage to orbit systems are presented in older videos (which I prefer, though less graphically perfect they do show some nice theories and ideas).
17:12 I'm reminded that Neil Armstrong claims to have said "One small step for A man", while mission control heard "One small step for man". Poor signal strength? Possibly... Or was it the split-second between Aliens cutting off communications and switching the Armstrong and Armstrong-clone?
I got hooked on these videos a few months ago and went back and watched every video, I cant watch anything else before bed anymore nothing comes close to this. I rewatch my favorite episodes when I'm waiting for new ones. I finally know why people in comments sections love arthursdsy
With all this water it may be an aquarium instead
_An aquarium is just a wet zoo._
good point about echo chambers and the tendency of them to exclude outside points of view even if only for consideration of there own ideas. I almost wonder what a paperclip maximizer echo chamber would look like, lol.
I don't want to be a paperclip. Damn you AI.
I often think that any alien civilisation trying to keep us from finding out about them might even alter our perception, so that we see the speed of light as this unsuperable barrier to space travel and communication. They could do anything like that, and make space travel seem much harder than it actually is.
This ought to be good! I’ve been waiting for this one, since I’ve long pondered the Zookeeper Hypothesis as very plausible scenario for any Eldritch species tired of witnessing reoccurring mass extinction events throughout the galaxy. Entropy (AKA death, decay) being one of the most basic primordial forces in the universe demands that all life struggle against the dying of the light!
Eldritch species?
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
I think there's a lot to be said about cyclical disasters, something like recurrent micro-novae would be one of the best Fermi Paradox solutions. There's been suggestion that our own star is a recurrent micro-nova star, "popping" every 12,000 years or so. We've found a lot of evidence that the glaciers that we've been using to give ages for things, are not anywhere near as old as we initially assumed.
"Ohio which is proverbially boring"
Amen to that brother.
Left Ohio many years ago and now live in beautiful Tennessee but after visiting most of the country I think Ohio is actually pretty decent if, big if, you like cold snowy weather. It has some beautiful areas, good farmland, a huge fresh water lake and plenty of lush green temperate forests. Not so bad. I've seen a lot worse. Maryland, Delware (puke), Rhode Island, New Jersey (gag)... pretty much most of the I-95 Northeast Corridor IMO sucks!!!
I always think it's kinda weird how when people discuss aliens, they usually still use words like "resent" or "moral high ground," assuming that the alien races would operate under the exact same emotions, rationals, and social constructs as humans
If you look into it many of these emotional constructs are artifacts of probability and statistics. With evolutionary problems like the prisoners dilemma and other things were an animal needs an answer now but doesn't have enough information for a rational decision. One of the good things about this channel is that they do try to distinguish between things that just seem rather random and things where you can see rather solid reasons for aliens to "feel" that way. Isaac's note about curiosity being linked to technology for example.
Hey you put out a video on my birthday day. I know it's just by chance but thank you!
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Earth: develop interstellar tech
Interstellar Empire : great now bow down and become my vassal follow the rules or face utter annihilation.
These Aliens are in the DMT realm.
Turning the frogs gay.
I'm sick of this crap!
Whoever made the thumbnail thank you, you saced me 26 minutes.
Hey, NEVER APOLOGIZE for a speech impediment, to be honest I like it, I really thought it was a sight accent, love your videos
Imagine a nearby radio capable civilization camped out on "Earth TV" 24-7 ripping all the scraps of our various technologies that we happen to televise. A noisy civilization can theoretically easily distort the development of other civilizations just by talking to themselves openly about their world.
Hmm.. Idea alien prison planet! Imagine if Earth was in such a shell, and this was done so that they could use Earth as a ethical type prison planet. Where bad aliens are sent to live out the rest of their life as a member of Earth. Some minor memory wipes, of their past. Then make them think that they are a person of Earth. And poof, alien prison planet.. Worse yet one would never know! lol
Where do families come from then?
@@thingamabitch, all could have started with all but two criminals. And who said the Aliens need be flesh and blood. Maybe all are exiles from a computer world. Scary thought.
Love how when he quotes rules of warfare hes always on #1. Why? Because what is relevant to the current situation always takes priority. Warfare rule #1- always be ready to change the rules.
The video : last 26 min
The people : commenting about the video 5 mins after it get out
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You mean 5 miliseconds
There is an option to speed up the playback ;)
Makes me wonder if the universe itself isn’t a Hyper-Matrioshka brain, being used as a zoo for us in a type of virtual reality that is so real that it’s truly real...akin to the solution to The Last Question and the heat death of the universe.
0:25 Money is probably their equivalent of peanuts.
Money would still be widely used by alien civilizations since it is a means to exchange things, which will always be a thing.
But would it be for aliens?
@@tonyknievel2223 In the same way we'd expect aliens to be curious, we would also expect them to exchange goods, ideas, etc. which would probably mean some form of monetary system.
Yeah but i don't expect anything too comprehensible from an alien either. I'd say ok if they are not flying blobs that absorb energy but more like "flesh" and "bone" curious "civilizations" they might (probably) use some sort of currency or equivalent, we do it so why not them?, also they might not we don't know, what i am sure of is that our money will equal peanuts. I would actually rather accept peanuts instead 😂😂😂😂😂 imagine alien civilization comes to earth and says we want to buy 100 metal machining factories or whatever and we give you 10000000 blergs for them deal? What is even a blerg?
I think that was isaac's point anyways
Haven't even watched fully yet, but after hearing that opening line of "But if we are a zoo, we have to wonder what their equivalent of peanuts are"
Which is why, perhaps, we'd be more like a park/reserve that can be observed and maybe even studied, with as little interference as possible, as to keep the experience and object on display as "pristine" and "authentic" as alienly possible.
And now let's watch.
"Or just passing through on their way somewhere else. [...] but Earth is not an exit ramp with gas stations and restaurants."
I must once again suggest the comic books Port of Earth who play especially with this idea, haha.
So early it's not even in the uploads page
Well that was a glitch on my part, youtube's new interface is a bit different and I forgot to release it here after posting all the other links to it on Social Media for about 10 minutes :P
Clearly a better run zoo than North Sentinel Island.
Probably one of the more insulting ones out there, might even make me a little xenophobic from just sheer spite and resentment.
_Destroy the Xenos Filth!_
Only the ones that did this though.
@@theuncalledfor I Bet they would be all stuck up and snotty too.
One thing I'm thinking is that you don't actually need to block travel for many millions of years, if every so often someone gets through that's okay so long as it's not too often. If someone had arrived on our planet 70 million years ago depending on what they did there would be little to absolutely no chance we'd discover that. And you can always clean up afterwards, if a streaker makes it through the security for a football game and spreads toilet paper everywhere we don't just put our hands up and go "oh well" we evict them and clean up afterwards. Given that within known physics it'd probably take at least a few decades to travel here from the nearest solar system and you'd be able to see that they started traveling long before they got here it probably would not be hard to shoot most of them down in time and then the few that did get through your outer defenses you might catch before they reach the planet or if they manage to land then now they're actually fairly easy to catch since they're sitting on a planet, you could probably even use some pretty heavy weaponry and we wouldn't be able to tell. And with the clean up if you have nanobots you can probably clean up on a microscopic level. They'd only really need to make sure no one made it through in the last few thousand years and that's not a lot of time on an astronomical scale. Also it would stand to reason that it would be easier to get through with a smaller ship because that's harder to hit, more maneuverable and easier to hide but it also follows that the smaller the ship the less impact it would be able to have on the planet simply because it can't carry a lot. So that sorta makes the problem self solving, if you can make sure that only a few relatively small ships get through every few million years then it would be easy to hide.
Also another thing that'd probably work to your advantage is that you'd probably get the most excitement right when the new planet with life is discovered, whether that be right as our planet developed life or only a few tens of millions of years ago. So at that point you'd get the most people trying to get through to the planet and if you then just make it very clear that you will kill anyone who tries to get in and keep up that effort for a few thousand years then people will probably get the message and mostly stop trying apart from a few. A lot of defenses in our world works on the same principle of dissuading people from trying in the first place. Barbed wire do a good job of convincing most people of staying away from something even though it can be fairly easily cleared with some wire cutters and gloves. If you just absolutely demolish anyone who tries in the first few thousand years and don't even give them a chance most people will probably not want to try again. It might seem cruel but tbf this is not anymore extreme than the lengths we go to, to protect some threatened animals or valuable ecosystem, we also have people that will shoot on sight to protect these.
Though you might not even have to kill them, a big defense laser could probably also be used to just put them off course and most speculative designs for interstellar starships don't have much course correction. Just like gently force them to go to the next star over instead. Similar to how we secure air spaces and harbors, just intercept and then however gently or forcefully you need to steer them away. Though again going heavy in at the start might be a good idea just to get the message out that you mean business.
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Isaac Arthur Re: whispers in the night - I generally take the position that we are an obviously proto-intelligent species. One of my favorite questions since about 1995 when I wander down this rabbit hole: Hypothetically imagine all intelligent species quickly discover spread spectrum 300 terahertz gravity wave band communications tunnel through time-space instantaneously (ftl) and learn quickly how to abandon all pre-ftl (faster than light) communication methods. Assuming all intelligent species communicate both telepathically and artificially in this hypothetical ftl band, why would they need to leave home all that much and how would we know they were there? I hope whispers in the night is on this question.
To watch is to learn . Control experience by Control experiments. Interaction per se will remove natural reactions. To learn is to understand and to help.
Your videos are always fascinating, Isaac!
I know I am very late on this topic, but what if Earth is a private Zoo, owned by one being who has exclusive, possibly secret ownership of our planet as his own vacation spot/nature preserve?
Would be interesting at least
Here's another idea for the Fermi paradox. Maybe the universe IS filled with life, and we can't tell because we're looking for carbon-based protoplasm. Maybe there are so many DIFFERENT ways life could arise that it does so on every planet, and perhaps even inside every star, but the possibility space for ways life can exist is so broad that it's always a new a form so radically different from us that even looking right at it, we don't see it. Maybe Jupiter's red spot is a tornado-based life form made of subtle changes in wind currents. Maybe a thin algae-like rust-based life form is choking Mars, its life cycle defined by the sand shadows and brittleness and resurfacing which are its equivalent of metabolism. Maybe the sun's solar flares are plasma dragons whose internal chemistry is nuclear fusion, leaping from the fusion-degenerate ocean mass below the star's surface. We'd never know because it's too alien for us to even see it. We just see weird rocks, weird weather, and planets devoid of our form of life. We're completely oblivious that Andromeda and the Milky Way are both sentient and romantically interested in each other and have been planning their marriage for billions of years.
Aliens be like: "Okay we have to take measures. that guy is getting way too close"
ziggurat or ur is the oldest thing in sumeria where people began farming on purpose and its supposed to be a landing strip for airborne vessels
I like to believe that we're the North Sentinel Island of the galaxy and that we're left alone due to how violent and primitive we are, yet they study us and sometimes drop off tidbits of technology. Perhaps Roswell was the galactic equivalent of the Primrose wreck.
Are humans the galactic equivalent of florida man?
I laughed soooo hard at the aliens looking in the earth habitat at the beginning. That was SO funny!
We have an actual example of the Zoo hypothesis implemented on Earth right now, kind of. North Sentinel Island has an indigenous population that the world at large has agreed to leave alone. It's not perfect of course, those people are aware that we exist, and a few people do try to visit them, which usually doesn't end well for those would be visitors, but it could be a starting point for designing something that would actually work on the scale of a whole planet.
If space travel is hard, then it is easy to stop any rogue alien trying to interfere. Our radio signal detection isn't good enough to pick up what a rogue alien can manage to send out from a space ship some X light years away. And some alien-spottings might just be people seeing the zoo-keepers, no one believes them anyways.
quote from here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_for_extraterrestrial_intelligence
"SETI ... is arguably not a falsifiable experiment. Regardless of how exhaustively the Galaxy is searched, the null result of radio silence doesn't rule out the existence of alien civilizations. It means only that those civilizations might not be using radio to communicate
Time to learn. Thank you sir.
That harvesting organics and simulation hypothesis is what Mass Effect should've been all along...
Reminds me of an Analog story (Ray Brown, I think) in which a world went digital and their children, raised digital, came to disbelieve in a "real world", assuming the original universe was just another digital environment. And then began to digitize whole solar systems, and one can see what that looked like from the point of view of still-physical people...