I dug out my copy of "On Guerrilla Warfare" by Mao and found out that a "fully equipped" Independent Guerrilla Company had 122 people armed with 98 rifles and 3 pistols. The footnotes said that each squad was 9 to 11 men, with more notes on "if there are not enough rifles, each squad should have two or three," and deletion of the third platoon was possible when there was insufficient personnel and/or weaponry. Substitution of shotguns, lances and swords for rifles was recommended to arm the company. Maximum strength was 180 men, and minimum strength was 82--more minutia upon request (or you can purchase your own copy). Going to the SKS with AK "submachine guns" and RPD light machine guns was a giant leap forward.
You are my hero, as a gunsmith interested in comblock guns, I have read dozens of boring books that just describe guns, but its amazing to see a scholar tell the stories of the PLA without just regurgitating anti communist propaganda.
Which is also the very reason to make the military such a prominent factor of any nation-state. If you want people to have allegiance to the Nation and not their ethnicity, religion, etc you need to have a common culture, easy way to do that is with conscription where even if you have a nation of 50 distinct ethnic groups all the young men will be funneled through your 'culture-school' of the military and all learn a common language and way of doing things.
Uncharacteristically for me I recently persevered in watching a 40 part Chinese drama on the Korean War. I was very impressed by the way Peng Dehuai is depicted in the program. It is called Going Across the Yalu River and has good English captions.
The likely reason for the Chinese underestimation of the power of US logistics ("The US armed forces are a shipping company with an army.") is likely their experience observing the US support of China during WWII. However, they overlooked the constraints the US was under in the CBI in WWII, like, 1. China was widely considered a "secondary" theater by senior planners 2. Japan did a fantastic job shutting down overland routes, and the terrain and climate didn't help rebuilding the Burma Road, either. 3. Flying supplies across the Hump made Goering's attempt to supply 6th Army at Stalingrad by air look like FedEx delivering Christmas presents. As far as Korea, as long as we held Pusan, we could ship tonnage in at levels *incomprehensible* to even Western logistics experts 20 years earlier. Remember, this is the logistics giant that had the space and weight to waste shipping a buck private a birthday cake that was *still* "fresh enough" when it was recovered by the Germans in North Africa. We had ships devoted to delivering ice cream to US forces in the Pacific theater, *well* forward from the safe rear of Australia. And now, five years later, we not only had newer, larger, faster, longer ranged cargo planes, we still had pretty much *all* of the logistics shipping we had just used to beat Germany and Japan to death with simultaneously. US logistics capability, even in 1950, are *crazy* . If youbqere qritinf a science fiction book and gave one aide that kevel of logistical domination, your readers would likely complain it was hack work to give the protagonists a deus ex machina of infinite ammunition and replacement material.
Yes, there is also a reason that the PLA of the Chinese Communist Party defeated the Chiang Kai-shek Kuomintang with United States weapons, so we naively think that the United States with United States weapons are just KMT PLUS：）
Yes, there is also a reason that the PLA of the Chinese Communist Party defeated the Chiang Kai-shek Kuomintang with United States weapons, so we naively think that the United States with United States weapons are just KMT PLUS
That's if you're lucky. Until recently, many had Lee-Enfield bolt-action rifles. Stens and Sterlings are still in use, having seen a picture in National Geographic of Indian park rangers carrying Mk II Sten guns while escorting prisoners. They're in the process of replacing them with... the INSAS. I'm not sure if that's an upgrade over the Lee-Enfield.
谁敢横刀立马，唯我彭大将军。I am brimming with awe whenever I look at my ancestors. I think this must be the reason why the Chinese could withstand the hundred years of humiliation and not be colonized like the rest of Asia. I think the sense of awe-stricken pride and insignificance was shared among my fellow Chinese at the time.
The Korean War actually saved Jiang from a coup. The CIA office in Taiwan was recommending replacing Jiang with a leader that was easier to work with but then the Korean War happened and the 7th fleet had to be committed to Asia in perpetuity
And that one used an 8mm Mauser different from any German, Czech or Belgian Gewehr 1898 designed rifles. Worse is it is not easy to tell the two cartridges apart. The 88 cartridge normally had roundnose bullets with military production ammunition. But spitzer points were used with commerically made ammunition. So its not really a given. Choose the wrong cartridge and the Hanyang 88 would go off like a handgrenade.
I have 2 Type 53 试 rifles, one made in October of 53 and the other December. Roughly 60,000 were produced until January 1954 when trials ended and full production commenced.
In that list of iconic rifles, Enfield, Mauser, Springfield, Arisaka... where there any Krag-Jorganson 30-40s, Winchester lever actions, Mienlicher???? I've seen pics of Chinese biplanes armed w/several Mauser broomhandles mounted in the rear seat. "Needs Must"... Always a treat w/your vids...
@@spacedredd I bet there are a dozen people on this channel, and also @Forgottenweapons, who have a better answer than I do. But with that said, my rule of thumb is that, during the warlord period, the country was like a huge Noah's Ark and somewhere or other had at least two specimens of every exotic species on the planet
@@Type56_Ordnance_Dept I'm sure Ian could be more specific, however you're the expert on the military aspect of China. I've a more general/basic understanding of the history of China Imperal vs Sun Yat-Sen, KMT, and CCP. You good Sir! Are in the weeds!!! I know you talked about eating our veggies in another video, but I was eating that information like sprinkle covered, chocolate marshmallows!!! I used to own a Type 56 SKS, I had to sell it while going to school(One of several GREAT regrets of my life). My younger brother fortunately still owns his. Are Dad got them in the early 90s for $50. Looking forward to more of you video and knowledge you'll be sharing!
I am crying while listening to this. All those former Warsaw Pact and PRC cold war dump... I missed those in 90s and early 2000s. The irony is that the garbage tier guns are no longer those historic guns, but AR-15s..... Even in CA.
On “serious integrity” of these Chinese commanders, I think it’s a must-have trait born out of decades of fighting/surviving/leading other men in and out of deadly situations where many come-to-Jesus moments come and pass, where the fake, the cowardly, the deficient ones have washed out, and only the honest braves (and lucky) remained.
The first generation of chinese revolutionists during 1910s-1960s were the true survivors during the age of war, many of them lost their entire family after they signed up for the struggle. Some of them are optimistic because they believe in localized marxism is the cure for old China. Some like Peng dehuai were reforged by years of battle, many old comrades made the ultimate scraficed before him. A steel heart and unwavering mind is a must-learnt lesson for military commanders during a time of war like this because too much emotion can affect sane judgement which leads to more military failure or unnecessary casaualties. A general can be furious during battle, but deep down he must be cold as steel. Furry is one's weapon, not one's weakness. Sun Tzu said similar stuff in the Art of War.
I've been trying to figure out if the SKS was ever fielded by China or North Korea during the Korean War. I've never been able to find any definitive sources that confirm or deny it. Just various websites and forums that give no sources or go by hearsay. The Soviets were still figuring out the AK-47 and the SKS was supposed to be their main battle rifle, so I can't imagine they would be exporting them until their own military needs were fulfilled.
Professor I think you should make a dedicated channel for Chinese History and politics post civil war esp. how they dealt with with Opium crisis after taking power, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, Deng Xiaoping, Zhu Rongji just to name a few topics. Would really appreciate an academic's view on these events and how they made the china of today.
Regarding the Chapter 3 guns, I once saw a WWI G98 Mauser with the Lange Vizier sight rechambered to 7.62x39 that came out of China on GunBroker. I wanted it, but it ended up going for $1500 despite being beat to shit
Oh man Peng Duhuai. I watched the 800 regiments offensive, the 2015 movie ONE TIME and the scene with him and the belt sticks in my head forever. It's so cheesy
Haha, tbh it wasn't very good-the acting was a bit too hammy to be taken seriously. I watched it on an Air China flight to Beijing. It looks like someone uploaded the whole 1hr and 50 minute movie to TH-cam though.
Ha ha that academic joke where no one can understand the British educated Indian officer unless another academic talks to him! It does seem like academics speak another language compared to lay folk speech; where it is annoying to comunicate to your higher in education "people" God bless the smart folk and keep them humble; it is horrendous that the smart academic populance tend to start communist revolutions and strave the laypeople that the educated people claim they will save, of course, the previous revolutionaries didn't do it right the first time and so the new breed of communists will do it right the next time. Said every college educated communist ever.
@@brosefmalkovitch3121 The Armourer's Bench has a huge numbers of videos cataloging the weapons that are being used by UKFs... Plus a website w/articles and images... NATO, Warsaw Pact, and of course homegrown.
Not exactly, for the rifles we're in a age where the standarization already took place. For rifle caliber small arms the east and west both standardized around 4 cartridges (5.56x45, 7.62x51, 5.45x39 and 7.62x54r), with left over 7.62x39. For the sake of the comparison we should only be looking at calibers used by the riflemen, so including 7.62x54r is a push as it's exclusively used by support weapons. And in 7.62x51 it is mostly employed by support weapons at this point with battle rifles like FAL in very limited number. Heavy weapons are either WP 12.7x108 or NATO 12.7x99; it's really down to two caliber for every category of weapons. Not nearly the same as 50s PLA with left over 8mm Mauser, 7.7 Arisaka, 7.62x54r, .30-06, .303 and the newer 7.62x39 for the rifles alone, not even counting the support weapons or the heavy, crew served weapons
@@pepebeezon772 Fair enough... Thats still a bit of a strain on the logistical trail. Hopefully the units are standardized for both caliber and magazine. Trying to put an AK mag in a STANAG magwell may not work out... 😁
@@spacedredd yea, that would be the most logical way to handle this. The spare parts might be a bigger issue but most likely they just send back the broken rifles and get new ones, same with captured weapons I guess? Also imagine all the different types of links you would need for Machineguns.
the ar platform is the goat. can change barrels in about 5 mins bolts bolt carriers in seconds. being an American armorer must be the easiest job out there compared to that lol. also we need a gun collection show and tell
I find that incident with the Indian officer darkly humorous because the other officers were so stupid and/or ignorant that they didn't even bother talking to him.
The PLA underestimated the effort to supply an army in a Korea already devastated by Japanese colonialism and competing ideologies and a year of war. During the Chinese Civil War, the PLA could mobilize the peasants to provide food, clothing and transportation within the region they operated in. How they thought this model of logistics was going to work in Korea. Perhaps they expected to live off the enemy as they did with the collapse of the KMT towards the end of the civil war, but that only works when the enemy is kept on the run. When they rally as they did under Ridgeway and then start chewing through your field fortifications in counter-offensives based on maximum firepower and you start blowing through your captured supplies, you find yourself at the culminating point of your defense and start negotiating with an enemy you can't defeat and who has already made the decision not to escalate the war and continue their successful offensives beyond the 38th.
4:53 I'm curious why the character "起“ is written in the way that appears on the screen? Is this an archaic form of the character? Is it perhaps Japanese Kanji?
I love your content! You are a natural story-teller and your enthusiasm is truly infectious! Please read the book "Enter the Dragon: China's Undeclared War Against the US in Korea, 1950-1951" written by Russell Spurr. There are absolutely fascinating accounts of the experiences of the individual Chinese soldier, spanning from heroic front line soldiers to the critically important logistical support man who had to haul over 100 pounds of material on foot over mountains, etc. Based on what you seem to like, you'll love it!!!!
can agree, great book. The soviets won 95% of ww2 (the other 5% was US & allies desperately trying to save nazi gold/officers/land from liberation) at great cost but Chinese/korean/vietnamese (not to mention cambodian pre cia installed Khmer Rouge & Laotian) heroism against American imperialism trying to encircle the Chinese “dragon” (heaven forbid those little Asians forget their place & try to stop selling their children to landlords who punish them for not growing enough rice by cutting their hands off, so they could sell the rice to buy opium from the Brits to feed their party lifestyle while raping peasant women….)
@@stadtbekanntertunichtgut just the mention of it early in the vid. Its a reference to the quote from Princess Bride "Never get involved in a land war in Asia"
I have to ask: Will the Red Guards and the fights during the Cultural Revolution make an appearance? It is an event, that is always ignored by military historians.
I have some interesting ammo from this period that youd probably find interesting. Its post war made 6.5 Arisaka with what i think are PLA headstamps. I have like 200 rounds of it and i had never seen it before nor since.
If you are put off just by the hat and uniform so much to start calling it propaganda thats because you didn't engage with single word of what is he saying.
@@robertkalinic335 watch his video recently about the Chinese Korean war hero. He goes on and on about how "PLA troops are WELL KNOWN for their TENACITY, and STRENGTH" like seriously y'all can't see this?
@@sanignacio1999 so believing the opposite of a regime with one of the largest state sanctioned killing and organ harvest sprees ever witness by mankind is propaganda? I guess I believe in propaganda then lmao
I dug out my copy of "On Guerrilla Warfare" by Mao and found out that a "fully equipped" Independent Guerrilla Company had 122 people armed with 98 rifles and 3 pistols. The footnotes said that each squad was 9 to 11 men, with more notes on "if there are not enough rifles, each squad should have two or three," and deletion of the third platoon was possible when there was insufficient personnel and/or weaponry. Substitution of shotguns, lances and swords for rifles was recommended to arm the company. Maximum strength was 180 men, and minimum strength was 82--more minutia upon request (or you can purchase your own copy).
Going to the SKS with AK "submachine guns" and RPD light machine guns was a giant leap forward.
You are my hero,
as a gunsmith interested in comblock guns, I have read dozens of boring books that just describe guns, but its amazing to see a scholar tell the stories of the PLA without just regurgitating anti communist propaganda.
this channel is a hidden gem
abso dayum lootly - and bonus, the presenter can pronounce chinese
Oh the nightmare of coordinating multi-national, multi-cultural, multi-lingual forces...
Which is also the very reason to make the military such a prominent factor of any nation-state. If you want people to have allegiance to the Nation and not their ethnicity, religion, etc you need to have a common culture, easy way to do that is with conscription where even if you have a nation of 50 distinct ethnic groups all the young men will be funneled through your 'culture-school' of the military and all learn a common language and way of doing things.
@@brosefmalkovitch3121 They are probably talking about working with NATO.
@@DB-ku7vutheyre all neo nazis or closeted neo nazis whats the point 😂
@@xeviexcorexBold of you to assume.
@@overcastandhazeGiven the post war origins of NATO, not really
I knew you were a Mosin enjoyer lol. Also gotta love the crazy Arisakas rechambered for 7.62x39.
Uncharacteristically for me I recently persevered in watching a 40 part Chinese drama on the Korean War. I was very impressed by the way Peng Dehuai is depicted in the program. It is called Going Across the Yalu River and has good English captions.
@@deanzaZZR AWESOME!! Thank you!
Thanks, Professor Clower. You're a great presenter. I really enjoy this series.
The Lin Biao "Oh, I'm sick story is hilarious.
6:15 "cant shoot more accurate than a brown bess musket" - that had me dying of laughter, fun lecture unc
Love your enthusiasm for these niche topics.
Fascinating series ! Some of this I knew, but you are filling in a lot of "blanks".
Thanks, professor. You're a great presenter. I really enjoy your presentation
Great video, as always,, thank You :>
Make longer ones man!, I can`t wait to hear more from You!
Cheers from Poland :)
The likely reason for the Chinese underestimation of the power of US logistics ("The US armed forces are a shipping company with an army.") is likely their experience observing the US support of China during WWII.
However, they overlooked the constraints the US was under in the CBI in WWII, like,
1. China was widely considered a "secondary" theater by senior planners
2. Japan did a fantastic job shutting down overland routes, and the terrain and climate didn't help rebuilding the Burma Road, either.
3. Flying supplies across the Hump made Goering's attempt to supply 6th Army at Stalingrad by air look like FedEx delivering Christmas presents.
As far as Korea, as long as we held Pusan, we could ship tonnage in at levels *incomprehensible* to even Western logistics experts 20 years earlier. Remember, this is the logistics giant that had the space and weight to waste shipping a buck private a birthday cake that was *still* "fresh enough" when it was recovered by the Germans in North Africa. We had ships devoted to delivering ice cream to US forces in the Pacific theater, *well* forward from the safe rear of Australia. And now, five years later, we not only had newer, larger, faster, longer ranged cargo planes, we still had pretty much *all* of the logistics shipping we had just used to beat Germany and Japan to death with simultaneously.
US logistics capability, even in 1950, are *crazy* . If youbqere qritinf a science fiction book and gave one aide that kevel of logistical domination, your readers would likely complain it was hack work to give the protagonists a deus ex machina of infinite ammunition and replacement material.
Yes, there is also a reason that the PLA of the Chinese Communist Party defeated the Chiang Kai-shek Kuomintang with United States weapons, so we naively think that the United States with United States weapons are just KMT PLUS：）
Yes, there is also a reason that the PLA of the Chinese Communist Party defeated the Chiang Kai-shek Kuomintang with United States weapons, so we naively think that the United States with United States weapons are just KMT PLUS
@geodkyt This is peak commenting, sir. Thank you.
The last sentence reminds me how Indian policemen and rear echelon forces were carrying Thompsons and Stens even in 1995.
That's if you're lucky. Until recently, many had Lee-Enfield bolt-action rifles. Stens and Sterlings are still in use, having seen a picture in National Geographic of Indian park rangers carrying Mk II Sten guns while escorting prisoners.
They're in the process of replacing them with... the INSAS. I'm not sure if that's an upgrade over the Lee-Enfield.
@classifiedad1 The INSAS 1C is a decent rifle. They have fixed most of the issues of 1B.
谁敢横刀立马，唯我彭大将军。I am brimming with awe whenever I look at my ancestors. I think this must be the reason why the Chinese could withstand the hundred years of humiliation and not be colonized like the rest of Asia. I think the sense of awe-stricken pride and insignificance was shared among my fellow Chinese at the time.
Please do a video about the impact of the Korean War affected the PLA performance during the Tawain Crisis in 1954.
The Korean War actually saved Jiang from a coup. The CIA office in Taiwan was recommending replacing Jiang with a leader that was easier to work with but then the Korean War happened and the 7th fleet had to be committed to Asia in perpetuity
@@sigmar2331 If I can di it justice, I'll sure try.
the Type 53 wasnt even the worst in the Korean War (and the immediate post-war years), at least it's not the Hanyang 88!
And that one used an 8mm Mauser different from any German, Czech or Belgian Gewehr 1898 designed rifles. Worse is it is not easy to tell the two cartridges apart. The 88 cartridge normally had roundnose bullets with military production ammunition. But spitzer points were used with commerically made ammunition. So its not really a given. Choose the wrong cartridge and the Hanyang 88 would go off like a handgrenade.
Your accents & impressions are hilarious 😂
Another video!! Will be watching this at the gym later
I have 2 Type 53 试 rifles, one made in October of 53 and the other December. Roughly 60,000 were produced until January 1954 when trials ended and full production commenced.
Excellent as always!
Thank you so much for your enthusiasm! This channel has brought such fun people my way!
In that list of iconic rifles, Enfield, Mauser, Springfield, Arisaka... where there any Krag-Jorganson 30-40s,
Winchester lever actions, Mienlicher????
I've seen pics of Chinese biplanes armed w/several Mauser broomhandles mounted in the rear seat. "Needs Must"...
Always a treat w/your vids...
@@spacedredd I bet there are a dozen people on this channel, and also @Forgottenweapons, who have a better answer than I do. But with that said, my rule of thumb is that, during the warlord period, the country was like a huge Noah's Ark and somewhere or other had at least two specimens of every exotic species on the planet
@@Type56_Ordnance_Dept I'm sure Ian could be more specific, however you're the expert on the military aspect of China. I've a more general/basic understanding of the history of China Imperal vs Sun Yat-Sen, KMT, and CCP.
You good Sir! Are in the weeds!!! I know you talked about eating our veggies in another video, but I was eating that information like sprinkle covered, chocolate marshmallows!!!
I used to own a Type 56 SKS, I had to sell it while going to school(One of several GREAT regrets of my life). My younger brother fortunately still owns his. Are Dad got them in the early 90s for $50.
Looking forward to more of you video and knowledge you'll be sharing!
I’m so excited for 40 more episodes!!!!!
jason i can't believe your talent with accents, you are trully the goat
This is now my favourite you tube channel
Another fabulous video. I can really see your passion towards the specific subject. Looking forward to hearing more of the korean war.
back in the 80's all sorts of cool stuff appeared on the surplus market coming out of PRC.
Lol, omg, you made me laugh. Excellent story telling. Wow, fantastic perspective...such a cool subject. 💖💖😁😍
Omg I LOVE THIS CHANNEL
As a Curio and Relic collector who dreams about obscure Chinese milsurp, would you happen to know where I could find that logistic officer's document?
Care to drop me a line at my university email? I'm easy to find, and I'll hook you up if I can.
Definitely need to tell my buddies about this channel!
Loving this series, thank you for your work!
I am crying while listening to this. All those former Warsaw Pact and PRC cold war dump... I missed those in 90s and early 2000s. The irony is that the garbage tier guns are no longer those historic guns, but AR-15s..... Even in CA.
On “serious integrity” of these Chinese commanders, I think it’s a must-have trait born out of decades of fighting/surviving/leading other men in and out of deadly situations where many come-to-Jesus moments come and pass, where the fake, the cowardly, the deficient ones have washed out, and only the honest braves (and lucky) remained.
The first generation of chinese revolutionists during 1910s-1960s were the true survivors during the age of war, many of them lost their entire family after they signed up for the struggle. Some of them are optimistic because they believe in localized marxism is the cure for old China.
Some like Peng dehuai were reforged by years of battle, many old comrades made the ultimate scraficed before him. A steel heart and unwavering mind is a must-learnt lesson for military commanders during a time of war like this because too much emotion can affect sane judgement which leads to more military failure or unnecessary casaualties.
A general can be furious during battle, but deep down he must be cold as steel. Furry is one's weapon, not one's weakness. Sun Tzu said similar stuff in the Art of War.
Funny but, an old saying comes to mind. "Take care of what you have. For there are no guarantees of a replacement and there will always be a need."
Very informative and entertaining thanks for the content.
Awesome episode.
Turn up
I've been trying to figure out if the SKS was ever fielded by China or North Korea during the Korean War. I've never been able to find any definitive sources that confirm or deny it. Just various websites and forums that give no sources or go by hearsay. The Soviets were still figuring out the AK-47 and the SKS was supposed to be their main battle rifle, so I can't imagine they would be exporting them until their own military needs were fulfilled.
10th! This is my favorite soap opera now.
I just realized, I never had a single minute of education about the Korean War in high school or college
Professor I think you should make a dedicated channel for Chinese History and politics post civil war esp. how they dealt with with Opium crisis after taking power, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, Deng Xiaoping, Zhu Rongji just to name a few topics. Would really appreciate an academic's view on these events and how they made the china of today.
I appreciate the signs in the upper left corner.
I wish there was a way for me to boost this more
Regarding the Chapter 3 guns, I once saw a WWI G98 Mauser with the Lange Vizier sight rechambered to 7.62x39 that came out of China on GunBroker. I wanted it, but it ended up going for $1500 despite being beat to shit
This channel gives me lindybeige vibes and i love it
PLA soldiers used to collect captured ammo after a battle and pick the best one for the MG team for a long time.
Oh man Peng Duhuai. I watched the 800 regiments offensive, the 2015 movie ONE TIME and the scene with him and the belt sticks in my head forever. It's so cheesy
@@darkjemdude Wait, how have I not seen this?!!?
Haha, tbh it wasn't very good-the acting was a bit too hammy to be taken seriously. I watched it on an Air China flight to Beijing. It looks like someone uploaded the whole 1hr and 50 minute movie to TH-cam though.
Nice bookshelf
What I want to know is why the heck the PLA loves stick grenades so much.
Unless you grew up paying baseball they throw much better.
After you finish the story of the type 56 eill you do more videos about the PLA or Chinese history in general?
Ever seen the movie, The Battle at Lake Changjin?
Coming to my Watch Later list in 3 ... 2 ... 1...
Question: Why is this mainly about the Chinese SKS? When are the AK stories coming? Will that come later? Great job, professor, by the way! 👍
lots of those “万国造” later were given to police force,you can see some of those old guns in China‘s police museum in Beijing and shanghai
Ha ha that academic joke where no one can understand the British educated Indian officer unless another academic talks to him!
It does seem like academics speak another language compared to lay folk speech; where it is annoying to comunicate to your higher in education "people"
God bless the smart folk and keep them humble; it is horrendous that the smart academic populance tend to start communist revolutions and strave the laypeople that the educated people claim they will save, of course, the previous revolutionaries didn't do it right the first time and so the new breed of communists will do it right the next time.
Said every college educated communist ever.
So that is how Lin Biao avoided Korea? I would love to hear any other insights you might have on him! Amazing channel!
"... *13* different kinds of rifle calibers..."
I'm sure some Ukrainian supply and maintenance officers feel mighty similar right now...
@@brosefmalkovitch3121 The Armourer's Bench has a huge numbers of videos cataloging the weapons that are being used by UKFs... Plus a website w/articles and images... NATO, Warsaw Pact, and of course homegrown.
Not exactly, for the rifles we're in a age where the standarization already took place. For rifle caliber small arms the east and west both standardized around 4 cartridges (5.56x45, 7.62x51, 5.45x39 and 7.62x54r), with left over 7.62x39. For the sake of the comparison we should only be looking at calibers used by the riflemen, so including 7.62x54r is a push as it's exclusively used by support weapons. And in 7.62x51 it is mostly employed by support weapons at this point with battle rifles like FAL in very limited number.
Heavy weapons are either WP 12.7x108 or NATO 12.7x99; it's really down to two caliber for every category of weapons.
Not nearly the same as 50s PLA with left over 8mm Mauser, 7.7 Arisaka, 7.62x54r, .30-06, .303 and the newer 7.62x39 for the rifles alone, not even counting the support weapons or the heavy, crew served weapons
@@pepebeezon772 Fair enough... Thats still a bit of a strain on the logistical trail. Hopefully the units are standardized for both caliber and magazine. Trying to put an AK mag in a STANAG magwell may not work out... 😁
@@spacedredd yea, that would be the most logical way to handle this. The spare parts might be a bigger issue but most likely they just send back the broken rifles and get new ones, same with captured weapons I guess? Also imagine all the different types of links you would need for Machineguns.
OMG, a man who names his guns!
Doesn't everyone?
As a Chinese , really feel grateful to see a foreigner in favor of PLA!
@@Victor-gl6tr I wish you didn't even have cause to feel grateful. I feel like Chinese civilization is the best kept "secret" in the world!
All armies are interresting.
the ar platform is the goat. can change barrels in about 5 mins bolts bolt carriers in seconds. being an American armorer must be the easiest job out there compared to that lol. also we need a gun collection show and tell
Hurrah!
I find that incident with the Indian officer darkly humorous because the other officers were so stupid and/or ignorant that they didn't even bother talking to him.
The PLA underestimated the effort to supply an army in a Korea already devastated by Japanese colonialism and competing ideologies and a year of war. During the Chinese Civil War, the PLA could mobilize the peasants to provide food, clothing and transportation within the region they operated in. How they thought this model of logistics was going to work in Korea. Perhaps they expected to live off the enemy as they did with the collapse of the KMT towards the end of the civil war, but that only works when the enemy is kept on the run. When they rally as they did under Ridgeway and then start chewing through your field fortifications in counter-offensives based on maximum firepower and you start blowing through your captured supplies, you find yourself at the culminating point of your defense and start negotiating with an enemy you can't defeat and who has already made the decision not to escalate the war and continue their successful offensives beyond the 38th.
I thought you liked type 63 ?
4:53 I'm curious why the character "起“ is written in the way that appears on the screen? Is this an archaic form of the character? Is it perhaps Japanese Kanji?
Good catch my man. My guess is it's just a weird font
@@jiachengwu4185 Thanks! That explains the "mystery". ; )
The out of context intros LOL.
I love your content! You are a natural story-teller and your enthusiasm is truly infectious! Please read the book "Enter the Dragon: China's Undeclared War Against the US in Korea, 1950-1951" written by Russell Spurr. There are absolutely fascinating accounts of the experiences of the individual Chinese soldier, spanning from heroic front line soldiers to the critically important logistical support man who had to haul over 100 pounds of material on foot over mountains, etc. Based on what you seem to like, you'll love it!!!!
can agree, great book. The soviets won 95% of ww2 (the other 5% was US & allies desperately trying to save nazi gold/officers/land from liberation) at great cost but Chinese/korean/vietnamese (not to mention cambodian pre cia installed Khmer Rouge & Laotian) heroism against American imperialism trying to encircle the Chinese “dragon” (heaven forbid those little Asians forget their place & try to stop selling their children to landlords who punish them for not growing enough rice by cutting their hands off, so they could sell the rice to buy opium from the Brits to feed their party lifestyle while raping peasant women….)
CCP when Japan surprise attacks US: Japan bad.
CCP when China surprise attacks US: US bad, do your homework.
When I picked up my type 53 I was surprised to learn that the Chinese made mosin- it’s better than my Soviet mosin
Today PLA has a 100 billions automatic rifles . Do they still stockpile them , I wonder ?
7:15 Been there, done that.
@@karelstanzel9510 So you've done the grad school thing! :)) Don't worry, I'm living proof that there is hope for happiness afterward. Long afterward.
Now I don't have to keep wondering why they have so many Zhongzheng Mausers and Arisaka rifles.
@@overcastandhaze Whoa, are there really a lot of Zhongzheng Mausers floating around the C&R market? I've never even thought to look.
@@Type56_Ordnance_DeptSorry, I meant in China. Seeing so many in films and whatnot
Is this the one with POW Olympics?
Welcome! That one is "Persistence!" But I hope I can interest you enough to stay for the whole ride!
Land war in asia joke spotted. Thats the first in the channel so far. Wont be the last.
What was the land war in Asia joke? I missed it.
@@stadtbekanntertunichtgut just the mention of it early in the vid. Its a reference to the quote from Princess Bride "Never get involved in a land war in Asia"
I have to ask: Will the Red Guards and the fights during the Cultural Revolution make an appearance?
It is an event, that is always ignored by military historians.
@@AGS363 SO! MUCH! YESSS!
@@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 太棒了!
7:40 Korean war participant languages? Don't forget the Turks!
You must have an extensive collection of commie military uniforms. I particularly enjoy the hats.
I have some interesting ammo from this period that youd probably find interesting. Its post war made 6.5 Arisaka with what i think are PLA headstamps. I have like 200 rounds of it and i had never seen it before nor since.
@@Unprofessionalopinions Whoa!! Care to post pics?
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept ill post some up tomorrow. Im currently away from my place right now
@@Type56_Ordnance_Dept th-cam.com/video/EkNWwlYMf6A/w-d-xo.htmlsi=USE5tob8pX0d92OE
@@Unprofessionalopinions Mind BLOWN.
And my wife says context is not important. Bah!
This bloke needs a range trip
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birth control glasses
@@robg9236 My friend, you are not wrong. Mrs. 56 picked them. I wonder what her game is...
This is bullshit, i want more videos. Hire more of yous.
Remember the role of "volunteerism" in the PLA? You're up, mate.
Cant tell if he's just playing a character or he actually believes the propaganda
Care to elaborate where he is wrong?
If you are put off just by the hat and uniform so much to start calling it propaganda thats because you didn't engage with single word of what is he saying.
@@robertkalinic335 watch his video recently about the Chinese Korean war hero. He goes on and on about how "PLA troops are WELL KNOWN for their TENACITY, and STRENGTH" like seriously y'all can't see this?
@@IsaacUssery-n9q and believing the opposite of that (like apparently you do) isn't propaganda?
@@sanignacio1999 so believing the opposite of a regime with one of the largest state sanctioned killing and organ harvest sprees ever witness by mankind is propaganda? I guess I believe in propaganda then lmao