Which modules are in your synth setup? Sound off in the comments about the mobile modules powering your sound, and be sure to get an up-close look at Sequential’s Trigon-6 module at Sweetwater 👉 sweetwater.sjv.io/Sequential-Trigon-6-Module
I bet your rack weighed a ton How is the V5 different from the V3? and I wonder how these devices would function with the new KB's like the M-Audion and Arturia with physical controls Given the proliferation of things like the Arturia V Collection and IK Multimedia Syntronic. I wonder if these modules should not also be made as Virutual Synths and drum boxes
My module power trio: Prophet 6, OB-X8, GSMusic e7 (with ladder filter!) in a nice British aluminum rack. On my desk only the significantly smaller Roland D-05 finds its place.
Cause it would be a positive for the consumer and would make it easier to get more synths, which then means more money for the company. Also nothing matches analog, not even the best VST or computer @@X22GJP
Also can be hard to tell on recordings, but live there is a night and day difference between analog synthesizers and software synths. On recordings it's a little more difficult to hear and you can touch it up in a variety of ways which makes it sound better, but live there's absolutely no comparison@@X22GJP
@@X22GJPFisher literally says why first thing in the video. Also taking away unnecessary things like keybed+ pitch/modwheel they can sell more products for less money. Better prices mean more customers. More options = more opportunity See, not that complicated.
So… what’s needed, or possibly out there and I haven’t found it are MIDI controller keyboards with a large, flat open space for placing your choice(es) of desktops
Not really a MIDI controller, but the Yamaha CP300 Digital Piano is like a desk with a keyboard attached to it. Plenty of room for some modules. It does offer expression and two switch pedals plus wheels and a great weighted 88 note keyboard.
I have a StudioLogic SL88 Studio that has plenty of space on top. It has weighted keys, though, so not for every synthesist. I learned piano first, so it feels more natural/familiar to me.
Not strictly flat I guess, but the Casio CZ-5000 or 3000 can be great for that, and you get a good, unique sound engine with it. The down side being it's not a good midi controller with its own interface!
I need this module. The DSI Prophet 08 PE has been an amazing tool. Roland integra-7 and yamaha Motif XS rack mounts help fill in any gaps in sound needs. Also the space and $$$ saving.
@sweetwater. Thank you for this great video. Could you please make a video with 2 or 3 Sequential / Oberheim modules (for example : Trigon 6 + OB-X8 + Prophet-5 or 6) and show how they can work together with your Novation 61SL in a jam ? Thank you. Regards
I would’ve like to have seen a Moog One module… It would likely have been the size of the Oberheim Expander; but I still think it would’ve been cool (and probably sold well, being less expensive than the keyboard version…) ✌🏻😎🎹🌴🌞
How do you connect a keyboard controller to say, four modules? What is the midi cable organization? What issues might arise? Should we use a midi patch bay and/or stereo patch bay is there a way around this?
I use an 8x8 midi interface and my DAW routes between them. One track per synth. To play a keyboard, just select the track assigned to that keyboard/module. At one point, I had 40 hardware synths in my studio, all of which were connected via MIDI interfaces. I also had two 8x8 midi patchbays for the synths which weren’t multitimbral. That allowed me to connect the patchbay to one pair of ins and outs on the MIDI interface and connect 14 synths.
Nothing new. 37 years ago we used to have "rack-mount" modules like theEnsoniq Mirage and ESQ-M;s Korg A/D and Yamana TX81Z. Even the organs got in on the act Via Voce: DMI-64 and V3
Too funny. I currently have an MR Rack and a Voce V5 drawbar module, oh and Roland SC55 Sound Canvas. Sold recently Korg SG-Rack, Proteus 2000, and Red Sound Darkstar. Used to us a TX16W too back in the day. Not to mention the drum machines I’ve driven from keyboards and sequencers.
Hi WalterGirao. The TRIGON-6 is trigged via MIDI. When I was talking about voltage control of Pitch and Gate, I was talking about a feature of the MIDI controller keyboard. But, generally speaking, notes triggered via Gate voltage are going to have less latency and more timing accuracey than MIDI Note Ons. It's just that MIDI is so much easier to use that Gates and CV (especially when playing polyphonically). -_Daniel_
@@sweetwater thank you for the answer! This leads me to another question then: does the keyboard version of the trigon use midi or voltage to trigger it's own sounds? I imagine that could be an important difference between modules and keyboards?
@@trebleboost7 and it’s not about what you use, it’s how you use it! You can make cheap equipment sound just as good as expensive equipment. The average listener couldn’t tell the difference!
Wish UB-XA was released. For now the Pro-800 is my choice. Trigon should be renamed Travesty-6. Redonkulous price, disingenuous rebate (only for owners of other overpriced SCI synths), Slighlty modded rehash of cannibalistic product line. If it were $1500 max price it might be competetive. Still love Daniel!
Sequetial Trigon. They put that out in a hurry. I think the price for many synths is getting way too high. Don't think anything can sound that good. Like buying a vst for 50 euros. Why spend 3000 euros on something that is pretty much the same?
If you prefer VSTs, then there are no shortage of software options. That said, hardware synths are relatively dirt cheap - when the Prophet 5 came out, it was $15k in today's dollars.
It is a quality synth that sounds great in the range of things it does, but come on... $2500 for a 6 voice monotimbral compared to a number of alternative is definitely paying a steep tax for the name on the front.
It’s a character synth with a pretty robust VCO architecture to me. Daniel I think does a great job of touching on it and I think it could be synth where once mastered could do things others can’t. I probably don’t have the patience personally to find the sweet spots though. Want to try it though. Soon. Module for me though as I find the 4 octave format too limiting.
@@trebleboost7 they will understandably never build it (because it would cannibalize sales of their other synths and the OB-X8), but a 5 octave bitimbral 8 voice Pro 3 with parallel/serial filter option and dedicated layer outs (lose the mediocre onboard effects) would be worth $5k or a module for $3500. This is just too limited for the price compared to a number of alternatives. No doubt it will still sell well and buyers will have a great sounding quality synth, just not the one they easily could have (and IMHO should have) built.
I dunno about the synth tone, but driving it with a bunch of block harmonies played live on a keyboard is not the way to go. Write a full composition in Dorico as a full score and then pipe the midi into it, for a real demonstration.
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Which modules are in your synth setup? Sound off in the comments about the mobile modules powering your sound, and be sure to get an up-close look at Sequential’s Trigon-6 module at Sweetwater 👉 sweetwater.sjv.io/Sequential-Trigon-6-Module
I bet your rack weighed a ton
How is the V5 different from the V3? and I wonder how these devices would function with the new KB's like the M-Audion and Arturia with physical controls
Given the proliferation of things like the Arturia V Collection and IK Multimedia Syntronic. I wonder if these modules should not also be made as Virutual Synths and drum boxes
Waldorf M 16 voice
Roland JD-08
Roland SH4D - works brilliantly with a keyboard attached, although it’s technically fully self sufficient with its note buttons.
My module power trio:
Prophet 6, OB-X8, GSMusic e7 (with ladder filter!) in a nice British aluminum rack.
On my desk only the significantly smaller Roland D-05 finds its place.
Every manufacturer should make Desktop/Rack versions of their synths. It should be standard practice.
Why? Don’t like it, get something else or go software.
Cause it would be a positive for the consumer and would make it easier to get more synths, which then means more money for the company. Also nothing matches analog, not even the best VST or computer @@X22GJP
Also can be hard to tell on recordings, but live there is a night and day difference between analog synthesizers and software synths. On recordings it's a little more difficult to hear and you can touch it up in a variety of ways which makes it sound better, but live there's absolutely no comparison@@X22GJP
@@X22GJPFisher literally says why first thing in the video.
Also taking away unnecessary things like keybed+ pitch/modwheel they can sell more products for less money. Better prices mean more customers. More options = more opportunity
See, not that complicated.
I really wish MOOG would come out with a Matriarch module that could be chained to the original module making it a 8 note paraphonic synth.
It would be cool, but they never even released a sub 37 module. That would have been cool.
Moog has become an impotent company. Don't expect anything useful from them. Just boutique garbage.
My modules: Sequential Prophet-6, GS Music e7, Roland D-05. Waiting for the OB-X8 module to arrive in Europe.
I hope they make a Take 5 desktop module next!
that would be sick
Been waiting that now for a while 😢
Yeees! With MPE 😄
Great demo! Fantastic synthesizer!
Recently decided to tip my toes into semi-modular waters with a Behringer K-2 and is now debating starting a small modular rack 😂
So… what’s needed, or possibly out there and I haven’t found it are MIDI controller keyboards with a large, flat open space for placing your choice(es) of desktops
Not really a MIDI controller, but the Yamaha CP300 Digital Piano is like a desk with a keyboard attached to it. Plenty of room for some modules. It does offer expression and two switch pedals plus wheels and a great weighted 88 note keyboard.
I have a StudioLogic SL88 Studio that has plenty of space on top. It has weighted keys, though, so not for every synthesist. I learned piano first, so it feels more natural/familiar to me.
Not strictly flat I guess, but the Casio CZ-5000 or 3000 can be great for that, and you get a good, unique sound engine with it. The down side being it's not a good midi controller with its own interface!
I need this module. The DSI Prophet 08 PE has been an amazing tool. Roland integra-7 and yamaha Motif XS rack mounts help fill in any gaps in sound needs. Also the space and $$$ saving.
Need or want?
4:26 Now let it whip!
Harsh price. Lol, but it’s probably fair given all the associated costs.. MPE is a nice addition. Thanks for demo!
@sweetwater. Thank you for this great video. Could you please make a video with 2 or 3 Sequential / Oberheim modules (for example : Trigon 6 + OB-X8 + Prophet-5 or 6) and show how they can work together with your Novation 61SL in a jam ? Thank you. Regards
As someone considering owning the Rev2, P6, AND Trigon: Yes, please!
I would’ve like to have seen a Moog One module… It would likely have been the size of the Oberheim Expander; but I still think it would’ve been cool (and probably sold well, being less expensive than the keyboard version…)
✌🏻😎🎹🌴🌞
I think manufacturers like the extra added cost because most don’t make their key beds so they add a markup into things. It’s nearly free money.
Would not be doable, it's packed!
I hope they pay this guy extra for having a perfect flat top
It’s a square wave
How do you connect a keyboard controller to say, four modules? What is the midi cable organization? What issues might arise? Should we use a midi patch bay and/or stereo patch bay is there a way around this?
MIDI Thru!
I use an 8x8 midi interface and my DAW routes between them. One track per synth. To play a keyboard, just select the track assigned to that keyboard/module. At one point, I had 40 hardware synths in my studio, all of which were connected via MIDI interfaces. I also had two 8x8 midi patchbays for the synths which weren’t multitimbral. That allowed me to connect the patchbay to one pair of ins and outs on the MIDI interface and connect 14 synths.
Wow! Thank you both for your replies 🙏🙏🙏❤️
@@samecoff2788 Amazing!! Do you have any music online you'd like to share with us? I'd love to hear your synth work.
The newer Arturia controllers are great !!!!!!!
Desktop Modules in my rig:
Blofeld, Streichfett, Neutron
I have the Arturia Analog Lab
Finally!!! 😮🔥🥰
Nice demo !
But does midi cable do poly aftertouch? This synth has it
Hi curtc6563. All MIDI cables can transmit all of MIDI 1.0's messages.
-_Daniel_
@@sweetwater So poly aftertouch is included in midi 1.0 and mpe is not and poly at is not mpe, right? Learned something today! Thanks!
Nothing new. 37 years ago we used to have "rack-mount" modules like theEnsoniq Mirage and ESQ-M;s Korg A/D and Yamana TX81Z. Even the organs got in on the act Via Voce: DMI-64 and V3
Facts! What's old becomes new again.
Too funny. I currently have an MR Rack and a Voce V5 drawbar module, oh and Roland SC55 Sound Canvas. Sold recently Korg SG-Rack, Proteus 2000, and Red Sound Darkstar. Used to us a TX16W too back in the day. Not to mention the drum machines I’ve driven from keyboards and sequencers.
Is there a difference in the way the notes get triggered? Like midi as opposed to voltage? If so what are the implications of that?
Hi WalterGirao. The TRIGON-6 is trigged via MIDI. When I was talking about voltage control of Pitch and Gate, I was talking about a feature of the MIDI controller keyboard. But, generally speaking, notes triggered via Gate voltage are going to have less latency and more timing accuracey than MIDI Note Ons. It's just that MIDI is so much easier to use that Gates and CV (especially when playing polyphonically).
-_Daniel_
@@sweetwater thank you for the answer! This leads me to another question then: does the keyboard version of the trigon use midi or voltage to trigger it's own sounds? I imagine that could be an important difference between modules and keyboards?
Do analog synths sound noticeably different from digital synth software?
Yes.
Yes, albeit software synths are catching up.
Yes
Yes
Absolutely yes. Especially in mixing.
😅 every time I hear this thing it sound broken
i prefer keys,it makes it a hands on instrument
Man. I can't even afford the module. Such a synth.
Behringer has synths similar to this that’s way cheaper than this and functions the same.
They function until they don’t. I can’t think of a box really like this either. Which one would that be? Sincerely curious.@@Guitarist888
@@trebleboost7Behringer neutron modular.
@@trebleboost7 and it’s not about what you use, it’s how you use it! You can make cheap equipment sound just as good as expensive equipment. The average listener couldn’t tell the difference!
Is it me or does the Trigon 6 sounds harsh and out of tune in almost every video
I hear that too. I have the keyboard version. In real life, it’s very in tune, and warm and lovely sounding. It’s my favorite analog poly.
@@samecoff2788 Do you also have an OB6 or any other Sequential instruments to compare it to?...Just curious
No other Sequential synths here, but several other analog polys. @@ECollinsMusic
Make Take 5 as desktop please, no more space for more keyboards
Wish UB-XA was released. For now the Pro-800 is my choice. Trigon should be renamed Travesty-6.
Redonkulous price, disingenuous rebate (only for owners of other overpriced SCI synths), Slighlty modded rehash of cannibalistic product line. If it were $1500 max price it might be competetive. Still love Daniel!
Sequetial Trigon. They put that out in a hurry. I think the price for many synths is getting way too high. Don't think anything can sound that good. Like buying a vst for 50 euros. Why spend 3000 euros on something that is pretty much the same?
If you prefer VSTs, then there are no shortage of software options. That said, hardware synths are relatively dirt cheap - when the Prophet 5 came out, it was $15k in today's dollars.
It is a quality synth that sounds great in the range of things it does, but come on... $2500 for a 6 voice monotimbral compared to a number of alternative is definitely paying a steep tax for the name on the front.
It’s a character synth with a pretty robust VCO architecture to me. Daniel I think does a great job of touching on it and I think it could be synth where once mastered could do things others can’t. I probably don’t have the patience personally to find the sweet spots though. Want to try it though. Soon. Module for me though as I find the 4 octave format too limiting.
@@trebleboost7 they will understandably never build it (because it would cannibalize sales of their other synths and the OB-X8), but a 5 octave bitimbral 8 voice Pro 3 with parallel/serial filter option and dedicated layer outs (lose the mediocre onboard effects) would be worth $5k or a module for $3500. This is just too limited for the price compared to a number of alternatives. No doubt it will still sell well and buyers will have a great sounding quality synth, just not the one they easily could have (and IMHO should have) built.
I dunno about the synth tone, but driving it with a bunch of block harmonies played live on a keyboard is not the way to go. Write a full composition in Dorico as a full score and then pipe the midi into it, for a real demonstration.
Early drinking?
@@AmiliaCaraMia😂