Yeah, this was called “The wrong way to put out a fire” for a reason. It’s honestly a perfect way of looking at what Endeavor did to Touya. Endeavor sparked the fire, and instead of giving it calm and gentle water or something to put it out, he basically poured gasoline and paint thinner on it, and then proceeded to ignore the fire and let it build, not realizing that he was not only the root of the problem but also the main one making it worse. And by the time he did realize it, it’s all just too little too late.
Guys, neglect is a form of abuse. Especially the pressure that he put on to Touya as a kid. He only had one goal and knew that the only reason he was born was to go above All Might. When he couldn't, he had nothing else to keep him going. When this type of pressure is put on to children, it deeply effect's them and how they move through the world. Also, the anime itself cannot go as dark as the manga due to censorship. Also as someone who has family trauma very similar to the Todoroki, I don't think ya'll understand how it effect's the whole family, including children. Kids can feel guilt over something they've witnessed happen to their siblings and I think the show did a good job showing that because it's not something people really talk about
Caring and telling he is the second priority affects a kid much more than not caring at all.If he was not cared atall, then clearly his father is bad. But if he is second priority then, there is something wrong with him(touya)
The way the characters’ eyes were depicted in this episode was so depressing. You could just tell that everyone is so broken. Also Endeavor was still a terrible father, even though we didn’t know everything about Toya beforehand.
Just to clarify cause I'm not sure you got that correctly after hearing what Will said: we only saw class A going through ONE year of high school so far. The school year in Japan starts in April (hence the Sakura blooming scene in almost every anime where the kids start school). They had a summer break, some more school time and then there was Christmas and New Years. Then we had a time skip of few months to the beginning of new school year. They were right about to become 2nd years but then this whole mission started aka the whole 6th season so far.
ahhhh the most harrowing episode of My Hero because it's WAY TOO REAL. Shiggy eps were terrifying but still, there's a level of fantasy to them. This one is just straight up "here is what spousal and child abuse looks like", and it's. Rough.
Honestly, when this stuff was happening in the manga, there were some really yikes takes from people. People saying that Touya didn't have it so bad because Endeavor never abused him. Like, news flash, neglect is a form of abuse. Not just neglect, emotional trauma. It felt like people were trying to shift all of the blame away from Endeavor and onto the victim, Touya. Because there are so many ways Endeavor could've handled this differently. First, you should never try to live out your failures in life through your children. Side note, Endeavor seeking out Rei to create a powerful weapon is so yikes. It's not an act of love. It's an act of seeking power. Moving on though, once he found out Touya's quirk harmed his body when he went overboard, there are several things he could've done. A. Tell Touya that he'll love him regardless on if he can surpass All Might and that he loves him for who he is as a person and not his quirk B. Tell him that he can still be a great hero, just not the Number 1. And that he's fine with it because Touya tried his best C. Tell Touya that he can still be the Number One hero but only if he finds a way to stop or minimize the damage done to himself(like how the Nurse at UA told Izuku to find less self-destructive ways to use his power) D. Actually talk to Touya and stop expecting the problem to just go away, especially since he created it If all of that fails and he still decides to have more children, there's always one final option(hypothetical if Endeavor had treated Touya somewhat better) E. Stop training Shoto and Touya separately. Some heroes become partners to cover each other's weaknesses. He could show them both love and have Shoto cool off Touya when he begins to overheat and have Touya go for more powerful fire blasts that Shoto can't do. Raise them as sibling heroes But he didn't do that. He instead ignored most of his family. When he wasn't ignoring them, he was harshly training Shoto or yelling or hitting Rei. Touya saw that he was born and tossed aside for his father's ambition. He revealed that he'd been watching his family after he burned up too. And he likely saw that Endeavor didn't change even after his "death". Endeavor got worse. He was replaced in life. And his death didn't change anything. He probably questioned why he was born at all. Until there was nothing inside him but emptiness and hatred. This was the wrong way to put out a fire. And that's how Dabi was born.
Man, I remember someone saying this flashback made it seem like Touya was at fault. Like, did we read the same chapters? The genius of this flashback is the way it characterizes the family dynamic being much more complex while still never excusing Endeavor in any way. Endeavor gets out of this flashback looking much worse but also much more complex at the same time.
Man I love this episode, I just love when we get endeavor and his family drama. If you'd have told me when I first started this show that endeavor would be my favorite character I'd have called you crazy.
My favourite characters in the series are Hawks and Endeavor. I love that the series never excuses Endeavor's actions but shows you how hard he's working to atone for them, and I love that Hawks' own abusive parents reflect the situation in the Todoroki household, but that he's able to put his trust in this new Endeavor.
The family stuff took place over a series of years. So Endev did gradually get worse....the more All Might succeeded the more his rage grew. Only the adults in the family were at fault, not the kids and then out of the adults Endev was the primary offender. Endev basically did not interact with the other two kids. He was committed to his job. Neglect can be quite damaging. Effectively, while Toya was useful to him....he was loved. He got his father's attention and time. When he stopped training him, he didn't see him much. So that shift was jarring. He knew why his father had him so basically over time he came to realize his life didn't mean much to his parents. In a world were being a hero is consider by many to be the best job and your father is the 2nd best hero in the country you have alot to live up to, so school (and social) interactions would have been difficult. Endev him didn't abandon his goal, he just abandoned Toya. He never tried his best to help him.
11:10 I don't believe the siblings had any part in it tbh. Abuse victims will find a way to put the blame/responsibility on themselves, especially children.
30:25 shoto and bakugou was on the news last season for defeating a villain. Only reason they kept them out of this was the mass causalities . That’s why Dabi said you gotta be kidding me they brought students. Hero society is crumbling as we speak so the public knowing students were on the front lines would make things worse
I think you kinda overlooked what the glare scenes between Endevour and Rei meant. To sum it up: Endevour: let’s have another kid Rei: let’s not Endevour glares- cut to Baby screams… it’s sexual assault guys. And they established Rei couldn’t go home, cause family would not accept her back. We also see that Endevour is double her size. That’s why Dabi basically victim blaming his mom hit her so hard. And that’s why it’s so crazy that Endevours job is still being a “hero”.
I absolutely believe Endeavor did not in anyway r word or sexually assaulted his wife. I do believe that Rei was too passive in telling her husband she didn’t want her children to be the things that Endeavor could achieve his dreams through. She did want more children in hopes for a happier family, but not for the reasons Endeavor did. His bitterness and disappointment in his other children is what drained her, not her actual children themselves who she loves dearly.
@@nadegeromulus325in the manga and the language I read it in, Rei literally says “ please let’s not have more children, because it will hurt Toya more” and the anime hinted at this more than obvious as well. Look at how broken she looks after giving birth to Shoto, the shot says it all. Endevour changed but let’s not take a blind side, to what clearly is implied here. Even if she was too “passive” she clearly said no AND it’s Endevour who even states “she was cold but would melt at the slightest touch” implying that he very much knew how fragile she was, he still abused her physically and mentally though. She loves her children ofcourse but the hate she got from Endevour for her manifested in their eyes, so from her point of view (which was influenced by mental trauma) the kids started to hate her as well confirmed in Toyas rant. So she was pushed towards a constant state of fear. She even says this the first time we hear her speak. “He has been visiting many times so it seems. Of course I didn’t see him, the doctors think it’s not a good idea and…I’m still afraid”. Two things can be true though, she at some point definitely loved Endevour but also was terrified of him, which is what we saw in this chapter from her perspective and why he is suddenly drawn as a monster.
it's so annoying that they keep saying that its a kids show, yea the story isn't as dark as berserk but keeping on saying that is really giving a huge disservice to the manga and the author.
A kids show can be very deep and have a great meaning for both older and younger audiences. My Hero is a shonen series marketed towards children, teen kids, and adults. One piece is considered one of the greatest stories to have been told in this medium, and it is marketed towards children as well. Just because something is considered a kids show doesn’t mean it has no worth or cannot have deeper meanings that other audiences can enjoy is simply not true. I’ve watched plenty with my family and there a plenty of gems as well. If the creators are happy to make their story so young kids will enjoy just as much as us old adults, theres no reason for fans to get upset that the show they like is a kids show.
@@nadegeromulus325 it’s not a kids show at all. There’s cursing in multiple parts (fuck is said in season 2, the ost playing says it), there’s graphic violence, child torture, serial killers, cannibalism, suggestive themes, partial nudity, themes of mental issues, and plenty of other things. You must be blind if you think MHA is a kids show.
@@nadegeromulus325 oh and don’t forget that whole super graphic scene where Shigaraki kills his entire family and you see his sister (a child) as chunks of bloody meat on the ground. Totally a kids show.
Yeah, this was called “The wrong way to put out a fire” for a reason. It’s honestly a perfect way of looking at what Endeavor did to Touya. Endeavor sparked the fire, and instead of giving it calm and gentle water or something to put it out, he basically poured gasoline and paint thinner on it, and then proceeded to ignore the fire and let it build, not realizing that he was not only the root of the problem but also the main one making it worse.
And by the time he did realize it, it’s all just too little too late.
Guys, neglect is a form of abuse. Especially the pressure that he put on to Touya as a kid. He only had one goal and knew that the only reason he was born was to go above All Might. When he couldn't, he had nothing else to keep him going. When this type of pressure is put on to children, it deeply effect's them and how they move through the world. Also, the anime itself cannot go as dark as the manga due to censorship.
Also as someone who has family trauma very similar to the Todoroki, I don't think ya'll understand how it effect's the whole family, including children. Kids can feel guilt over something they've witnessed happen to their siblings and I think the show did a good job showing that because it's not something people really talk about
Caring and telling he is the second priority affects a kid much more than not caring at all.If he was not cared atall, then clearly his father is bad. But if he is second priority then, there is something wrong with him(touya)
The way the characters’ eyes were depicted in this episode was so depressing. You could just tell that everyone is so broken. Also Endeavor was still a terrible father, even though we didn’t know everything about Toya beforehand.
Just to clarify cause I'm not sure you got that correctly after hearing what Will said: we only saw class A going through ONE year of high school so far. The school year in Japan starts in April (hence the Sakura blooming scene in almost every anime where the kids start school). They had a summer break, some more school time and then there was Christmas and New Years. Then we had a time skip of few months to the beginning of new school year. They were right about to become 2nd years but then this whole mission started aka the whole 6th season so far.
ahhhh the most harrowing episode of My Hero because it's WAY TOO REAL. Shiggy eps were terrifying but still, there's a level of fantasy to them. This one is just straight up "here is what spousal and child abuse looks like", and it's. Rough.
Touya was 13 he was just small for his age.
33:23 Re destro said that everybody Quirks are linked to their personalities so that’s why characters act the way they do.
Honestly, when this stuff was happening in the manga, there were some really yikes takes from people. People saying that Touya didn't have it so bad because Endeavor never abused him. Like, news flash, neglect is a form of abuse. Not just neglect, emotional trauma. It felt like people were trying to shift all of the blame away from Endeavor and onto the victim, Touya. Because there are so many ways Endeavor could've handled this differently.
First, you should never try to live out your failures in life through your children. Side note, Endeavor seeking out Rei to create a powerful weapon is so yikes. It's not an act of love. It's an act of seeking power. Moving on though, once he found out Touya's quirk harmed his body when he went overboard, there are several things he could've done.
A. Tell Touya that he'll love him regardless on if he can surpass All Might and that he loves him for who he is as a person and not his quirk
B. Tell him that he can still be a great hero, just not the Number 1. And that he's fine with it because Touya tried his best
C. Tell Touya that he can still be the Number One hero but only if he finds a way to stop or minimize the damage done to himself(like how the Nurse at UA told Izuku to find less self-destructive ways to use his power)
D. Actually talk to Touya and stop expecting the problem to just go away, especially since he created it
If all of that fails and he still decides to have more children, there's always one final option(hypothetical if Endeavor had treated Touya somewhat better)
E. Stop training Shoto and Touya separately. Some heroes become partners to cover each other's weaknesses. He could show them both love and have Shoto cool off Touya when he begins to overheat and have Touya go for more powerful fire blasts that Shoto can't do. Raise them as sibling heroes
But he didn't do that. He instead ignored most of his family. When he wasn't ignoring them, he was harshly training Shoto or yelling or hitting Rei. Touya saw that he was born and tossed aside for his father's ambition. He revealed that he'd been watching his family after he burned up too. And he likely saw that Endeavor didn't change even after his "death". Endeavor got worse. He was replaced in life. And his death didn't change anything. He probably questioned why he was born at all. Until there was nothing inside him but emptiness and hatred. This was the wrong way to put out a fire. And that's how Dabi was born.
Man, I remember someone saying this flashback made it seem like Touya was at fault.
Like, did we read the same chapters?
The genius of this flashback is the way it characterizes the family dynamic being much more complex while still never excusing Endeavor in any way.
Endeavor gets out of this flashback looking much worse but also much more complex at the same time.
literally! and just like aoyama got his belt, endeavor's money could've got toya similar support items to help reduce the damage to his body.
Man I love this episode, I just love when we get endeavor and his family drama. If you'd have told me when I first started this show that endeavor would be my favorite character I'd have called you crazy.
My favourite characters in the series are Hawks and Endeavor. I love that the series never excuses Endeavor's actions but shows you how hard he's working to atone for them, and I love that Hawks' own abusive parents reflect the situation in the Todoroki household, but that he's able to put his trust in this new Endeavor.
The family stuff took place over a series of years. So Endev did gradually get worse....the more All Might succeeded the more his rage grew. Only the adults in the family were at fault, not the kids and then out of the adults Endev was the primary offender.
Endev basically did not interact with the other two kids. He was committed to his job. Neglect can be quite damaging. Effectively, while Toya was useful to him....he was loved. He got his father's attention and time. When he stopped training him, he didn't see him much. So that shift was jarring. He knew why his father had him so basically over time he came to realize his life didn't mean much to his parents. In a world were being a hero is consider by many to be the best job and your father is the 2nd best hero in the country you have alot to live up to, so school (and social) interactions would have been difficult. Endev him didn't abandon his goal, he just abandoned Toya. He never tried his best to help him.
11:10 I don't believe the siblings had any part in it tbh. Abuse victims will find a way to put the blame/responsibility on themselves, especially children.
30:25 shoto and bakugou was on the news last season for defeating a villain. Only reason they kept them out of this was the mass causalities . That’s why Dabi said you gotta be kidding me they brought students. Hero society is crumbling as we speak so the public knowing students were on the front lines would make things worse
Yalls reaction to Hawks' wing boners when thinking of Endeavor was so funny
Glad I'm not the only one whose brain went there lmao 😂
I think you kinda overlooked what the glare scenes between Endevour and Rei meant.
To sum it up:
Endevour: let’s have another kid
Rei: let’s not
Endevour glares- cut to Baby screams…
it’s sexual assault guys. And they established Rei couldn’t go home, cause family would not accept her back. We also see that Endevour is double her size.
That’s why Dabi basically victim blaming his mom hit her so hard.
And that’s why it’s so crazy that Endevours job is still being a “hero”.
Ain't nobody gonna believe it was sexual assault until there's actual proof
Don't be pulling things out your ass
I absolutely believe Endeavor did not in anyway r word or sexually assaulted his wife. I do believe that Rei was too passive in telling her husband she didn’t want her children to be the things that Endeavor could achieve his dreams through. She did want more children in hopes for a happier family, but not for the reasons Endeavor did. His bitterness and disappointment in his other children is what drained her, not her actual children themselves who she loves dearly.
Exactly he should be in jail
@@nadegeromulus325idk dawg that look like rape to me
@@nadegeromulus325in the manga and the language I read it in, Rei literally says “ please let’s not have more children, because it will hurt Toya more” and the anime hinted at this more than obvious as well. Look at how broken she looks after giving birth to Shoto, the shot says it all.
Endevour changed but let’s not take a blind side, to what clearly is implied here. Even if she was too “passive” she clearly said no AND it’s Endevour who even states “she was cold but would melt at the slightest touch” implying that he very much knew how fragile she was, he still abused her physically and mentally though.
She loves her children ofcourse but the hate she got from Endevour for her manifested in their eyes, so from her point of view (which was influenced by mental trauma) the kids started to hate her as well confirmed in Toyas rant. So she was pushed towards a constant state of fear.
She even says this the first time we hear her speak.
“He has been visiting many times so it seems. Of course I didn’t see him, the doctors think it’s not a good idea and…I’m still afraid”.
Two things can be true though, she at some point definitely loved Endevour but also was terrified of him, which is what we saw in this chapter from her perspective and why he is suddenly drawn as a monster.
Shooootooooo lol🤣🤣🤣🤣
it's so annoying that they keep saying that its a kids show, yea the story isn't as dark as berserk but keeping on saying that is really giving a huge disservice to the manga and the author.
A kids show can be very deep and have a great meaning for both older and younger audiences. My Hero is a shonen series marketed towards children, teen kids, and adults. One piece is considered one of the greatest stories to have been told in this medium, and it is marketed towards children as well. Just because something is considered a kids show doesn’t mean it has no worth or cannot have deeper meanings that other audiences can enjoy is simply not true. I’ve watched plenty with my family and there a plenty of gems as well. If the creators are happy to make their story so young kids will enjoy just as much as us old adults, theres no reason for fans to get upset that the show they like is a kids show.
@@nadegeromulus325 it’s not a kids show at all. There’s cursing in multiple parts (fuck is said in season 2, the ost playing says it), there’s graphic violence, child torture, serial killers, cannibalism, suggestive themes, partial nudity, themes of mental issues, and plenty of other things.
You must be blind if you think MHA is a kids show.
@@nadegeromulus325 oh and don’t forget that whole super graphic scene where Shigaraki kills his entire family and you see his sister (a child) as chunks of bloody meat on the ground.
Totally a kids show.
@@nico-v113 everytime people calls my hero a "kids show"
Makes me not so feel good and facepalming
Prob cause they watched AOT but my hero is pretty dark. They censor some things but you can’t show everything I guess lol
Not a kids show u guys 😒