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Behringer, Moog's Marketing, Influencers and Honesty...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ต.ค. 2023
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appreciate your honest approach and clarity, I'm so sick of so called influencers which many of the synth reviewers are wether they want to admit it or not, I think your more of a classic open reviewer/opinionator :) I came across a review of the abacus, the comments had so much hate for "B" it shows that ignorance is bliss, Maths circuits are old designs Makenoise didn't patent the tech cuz they don't own it! anyway I'm getting a coffee now. keep up the good work!
TH-cam personalities who obsess or constantly cry about Behringer should post how much they paid….or NOT for those expensive pieces of gear. And if they also work for competitors of Behringer while not disclosing it- they are the fraud. Behinginer is what it is. I am grateful for them helping make gear affordable. The same old big mouths are boring already. We know who they are.
You are a bore with a big mouth just on the other side of the isle there are other affordable synth makers I prefer to give my money to simple as that people like the asshat this guy quoted acting as if its all about money misses a huge piece of the puzzle
Couldn't agree more on your take on Moog vs Behringer. Not to mention, that no-one of these "influencers" ever talks about the oligopoly scandal from Korg and Roland, where they agreed to keep their prices unreasonably high.
I've always loved your YT channel name.. but now after learning about you and your business, it's even better! hahahaha! I didn't know! 🤣 I enjoy your videos man, appreciate hearing your perspective! 🙌🐀
I dig this video. Just make music with whatever you can afford! Looking forward to the next one!
I enjoy your videos. I have lots of Behringer gear as well as Moog, lots of Doepfer and other Modules, a couple of Korgs, some Waldorfs and a Roland - I love them all! I enjoy your style and honest opinions. I picked up some good tips as well from your videos about things I have.
I agree with what you express about the business / advertising side of things. Honesty is priceless.
Keep in mind that some well known influencers are asking thousands (!!) of euros to do a review. This is not some small amount of money which doesn't affect their opinion as they claim. You can't trust any of them. That doesn't mean they are lying in their review, but remember that saying 'the right thing' will ensure the money train doesn't stop.
Also, not disclosing your affiliates or affiliate links should lead to a temporary TH-cam ban. The moment they implement that will be a real quiet synthfluencer month.
Thanks for this. It's good to hear some discussion about the recent drama with someone with different perspective. I have a LOT of criticisms of Behringer, mostly with their marketing and what a bully Uli is, with his attempted lawsuits, mocking of journalists, etc. But I do think that a lot of my favorite synth youtubers (I've been a fan of Benn Jordan since 2004) have gotten carried away here and have gone too far with the Behringer commentary while ignoring all the other gear from other manufacturers that is made unethically by exploited workers. I think most of the criticisms of Behringer are valid, but most of them are a criticism of capitalism in general. We need to fix things and demand a world with more equality than this, but unless there's an actual organized boycott, individuals choosing not to buy Behringer products isn't really helping anything, and despite the influencers' claims otherwise, is kind of creating a divide between poor musicians and those with better financial situations.
An honest discussion would not merely be about the woes of capitalism but include the problems communism creates, including the vacuum that undermines the free market playing field at its own people's expense.
Nope. Communism is not the only alternative. Ignoring the vast multitude of alternatives to the system as a whole, we could also just like, fix the system we have by actually enforcing regulations of fair labor practices and wages.
@@evelyntelevision Not really a response to my point, but ok.
This is the best video on the Moog changes and Behringer blaming I have seen, good work!
But there wasnt any point about Behringer counterfeiting their products and therefore lowering their sales?
I totally agree with Robs comments. The only issue I have with Behiringer is some of their business ethics and personally attacking online critics.
Until now they did not attack me and were very friendly. So I can‘t tell.
It seems O.k for Critics to attack Behringer, but not the other way around. That seems a little unfair. Don't you think. I have old and new equipment and Behringer allows you more accessibility to get on with what you are trying to create. Rather than paying hyped up prices for equipment which could fail due to age and then leaving you frustrated at its demise, due to being to obsolete or to expensive to repair . @@winesynths
Exactly. In Germany we have a saying: Wash my fur but don't get me wet!
Thank you for the fun objective content. Also thanks for helping me decide to buy the Moog Matriarch as your review is the most convincing.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👋🏼🧿
Yes I think you're very biased, but not by a company, just by your own ears, taste and opinions that you have built up over a lifetime and I appreaciate it as that's the way I operate too
Merci beaucoup!
I've bought a lot of Behringer gear over the last few years. Ive found it to be very well built and reliable so far. That's why I don't think your reviews come across as biased. And why I can't abide the shills, "influencers" and Behringer haters virtue signalling their way through their videos and in the comments.
Moog killed Moog by their own hand. Well, by their greed and poor business decisions.
Perhaps you should do a teardown of the Granny. I'm sure you'll find a taste of the East in there😉
Thanks for an interesting, level headed discussion on this topic.
Cheers!
That Nina is one of the best sounding synths in existence (IMO of course). Good choice.
It really sounds gigantic! No doubt! 👍
I may have bought several synthesisers because of you :) I feel influenced. :) ..all for the good, I might add.
Which synths did you buy?
Happy to subscribe and listen to your ramblings. ;) Very good video and excellent format.
Welcome! 🤖
about 10 years ago, i bought a used PA system which also included a behringer mixer and Oh Boy. That thing was straight up trash. Not their cheap synths which i now own their 808, 909, Pro800 and Model D. Pots feel great, nothing cheap feeling about it and solid. Great to see people can get there hands on these without it being a huge financial commitment. Thank you 👍😁✌️🙂
Well put and well done. Always loved your vids. All these so called "influencers" don't even realise that the people that actually buy music don't care who made the instrument used in the making of the music let alone worry if the synth doesn't quite sound like the original analogue version they heard on a 1970's record minced through an old analogue desk and then compressed down to spotify listened to on cheap earbuds.
Keep up the good work.🙂
Who buys music nowadays is also a good question haha - fun aside - actually a lot of dont care if others know or not but some musician cares if they used a special instrument
Most of us make music because they enjoy the process, I guess - and there are some things that make it more enjoyable for the individual musician
I was interested to see recently in Divkid’s tour of Instruo’s HQ a Behringer module in Instruo’s house Eurorack system (a Behringer Legendary 2500 -ARP copy - model 1500 mix sequencer)!
If they’re okay with it, so am I!
It's a very nice video! Cool studio! Thanks for this! 👍
by causal browsing I found your channel... and It pick up my curiosity about your talk and your naturilish ..your studio as fellow person in Berlin... I would like to share knowledge from time to time with you!!
No problem! Always open to new contacts! Just send me a mail! 🤖
Well said ! I totally agree !😁
the 'influencer' is the dumbest concept ever
What can I say, I ordered my first synth ever yesterday: Behringer Pro-800 for €385 - that's a analogue 8 voice poly synth with polyphonic aftertouch... For €385, I would largely say that influencers have had a saying in what I chose as my first synthesizer. That's just how I have to compare products nowadays as a consumer.
Enjoy your new synth and have some awesome sounds! 👍
Thank you for a good commentary!
Influencers? I watch some of their videos with interest mixed with some skepticism. I appreciate your style, in particular, Christophe.
Behringer? I've got the UB-Xa on pre-order and will wait however long I must to get it into my studio. Why? I will NEVER buy an original OB-Xa. It's too expensive to buy, and I cannot afford to maintain old gear like that. But I want to get as close to the experience of using that classic Oberheim synth as I can afford. So that means the Behringer UB-Xa is the best option for me.
And Moog? I've got a Subsequent-37 and am happy with it. But for that classic Model D experience, I've also got a Behringer Poly D (which I use as a Minimoog monosynth with an extra oscillator). That synth gets me close enough to the classic for my purposes, and it is what I could afford.
So I thank you, Uli, for putting some good-sounding musical tools within my reach. And thank you, Moog, for your pioneering work in creating some great synthesizers early on! And thank you, @WineSynths for your informative videos, insights, and wisdom.
Love your videos. Love my Behringers (rd08, Solina, Toro, Crave, Edge, VC340, Xenyx mixer, Bi-Phase stomp). Any recommendations for a decent Spätburgunder available in Brexitland? Dankeschön!
There are already excellent sparkling wines even in your country! Nyetimber for example! There is also often Pinot Noir in it! Cheers! 🥂
Super video (as always). I've been using Behringer gear for decades (as a hobby musician): Mixers, Compressors, Preamps, Microphones, and more recently Synths (Deepmind 12 and Odyssey). And as long as Behringer has existed, its products have been highly criticized due to their disruptive pricing policy (because what can't be, can't be?). Only with the inflationary appearance of the Influencer and the Synthyoutuber (of which I find very very many basically totally great) came this extreme sharpness in the Behringer bashing. I am a hobby musician. But I am also a economist. And hey: a professional TH-camr has a business. Synth manufacturers have a business. In the end, the bottom line has to be in the black, otherwise nothing will work out (how far you have to push profit maximization is another matter). What you might find is that Behringer has a somewhat unfortunate communication towards synthyoutubers. Is that why they are the bad guys? Rather not, I think. Communication channels are disturbed here, and this is being acted out publicly in social media. What does that mean for us musicians: just like you said: pay attention to transparency and listen to your gut feeling.
That would also be my only criticism: the poor marketing communication. But also in this domain they will improve for sure! All the best!
👍 "And if I have no idea about anything, I just keep my mouth shot". 👍 That's the best way to be always right, because you only say things you're certain of.
A lot more 'influencers' should be doing that. It would mean a lot less garbage and lies on TH-cam.
You're a musician and I appreciate you sharing your music-making knowledge with all this fantastic gear with us. Vielen Dank!
I've noticed the deluge of synchronised video releases when certain instruments are about to come on the market, and it actually makes me highly suspicious of the instruments in question. I understand that this is a relatively niche market for most manufacturers, and they want to maximise the impact of an instrument's release, but I automatically ignore those "day one" videos on the basis that the content creator has usually agreed to editorial control from the manufacturer.
As for Behringer, I own four of their instruments - RD-9, MS-1, Solina and Pro-1. They are affordable and reliable recreations that add features (particularly MIDI) that the originals did not have, and in the case of the first two where the original manufacturer has recreated them as well, the Behringers have better a form factor. I do also own a lot of vintage stuff, but that's not because I'm some kind of gear snob - it's almost entirely cheap things like the Ensoniq ESQ1 or Yamaha TX802, which I use a lot and haven't found modern equivalents of that are as easy to use.
where have you seen synchronized video releases? you do realize that manu's will send certain youtubers/reviewers the instrument in advance of, or coinciding with the release? there is nothing 'suspicious' about it and no one is hiding it.
" the deluge of synchronised video releases when certain instruments are about to come on the market" - Isn't that just because everyone is under an NDA embargo until a certain point in time? e.g. the Arturia Audiofuse 16rig released today. All the channels have them for review, and each one I saw declared as such, then release them when permitted. That's normal practice and there's nothing suspicious about it. It'd only be problematic if the channel agreed to do a positive review regardless of the state of the product, but we know that's not happening in the better channels, like Loopop etc.
@@xisotopex It's part of the agreement of the manufacturer with a content creator that the latter will release their video at a set date and time. That's written into the kind of contract that's alluded to in Wine&Synth's video. What I find suspicious is the contractual basis to these promotional videos (they rarely qualify as objective reviews), and as has been shown recently in the guitar world, the manufacturer's often stipulate that a review must be positive - even threatening legal action if a review they deem critical is released.
@@hoagy_ytfc I consider Loopop an honourable exception, and I actually bought a particular instrument (the Soma Lyra-8) on the basis of his very thorough review.
I also think that Loopop is the last to blame. He almost became the industry standard TH-camr and makes very transparent business.
Behringer has been a constant in my musical career/ adventure. I was poor and still am not exactly rich, and yer damn right I bought an ARP 2600! And a Boog/deepmind/neutron ect. I use them & bloody love em. I also use a lot of Roland gear. Both have value when used & useful. Bugger the corporate nonsense. All big brands care about the bottom line. Capitalism is eating itself! But, I intend to make music as the ship sinks!
Great vid.
Keep up the good work! ✨
Yes! Capitalism is eating itself! Well said! Let‘s make sound! 🤖
One thing to note for awhile now Moog synths were assembled and tested in the US. How much is the question. I know some companies will have a board with all the chips manufactured overseas and then put those boards into a chassis also potentially manufactured overseas. Assembling the item is enough to slap the label "made in the USA" (and that is a % base). Its all about where we draw the line, "made in the USA", from a consumer perspective or if it even matters. If that means soldering every component on the boards then I doubt much of that is happening anymore due to the cost. If the QA is good and defects minimalized I doubt most would really care enough to stop using a synth. Companies do all sorts of marketing tactics like not for profit vs non-profit vs charitable organizations (how much money they can take), bottles/containers labeled recyclable but really are not, regulations of green or organic products, or being carbon neutral only because of some vague rule that the more land you own lowers your carbon footprint (why Mr. Gates feels okay flying his jet everywhere). Consumers don't make the rules we understand the general definitions of words and regulatory bodies make the criteria to meet those which do not comport to our definitions. Speak with your money definitely but think twice when you see something labeled or is said to be a certain way. Most of the time if they "want you to see it" its probably not entirely genuine.
You are doing very good video's Sir... As far as Behringer goes... I will only say that I have several of their synths and find them to be not only reliable and good bang for the buck...but excellent sounds... keep up your good work...
Ach was du schreibst artikel im synmag? Wie ist dein name? 😅 und danke du hast es super zusammengefasst! Besser geht nicht. Bleib bitte weiter so👍 am boden geblieben und humorvoll.
Ich habe im letzten Heft den Ise-Nin Artikel geschrieben. War mein erster! 🍀
Who cares who killed Moog that Purist Sound Green-Washing
Turned out to be a Total Behringer clone bashing which had me tune off quickly
Just keep doing what you're doing, theres absolutely no need for any explanation
It was Synthicide. They killed themselves
However, it would be a bit cheeky to call it Harikiri! 😁
Babicz is spot on with that message.!!
Would the violin have been so widely used if it had only been made in Cremona? If all pianos had to be Steinway or Bösendorfer? How many guitarists started with a cheap guitar made without a license in Japan or Korea?
As an owner of an antique french Selmer Saxophone, which is kind of holy grail, I totally agree. Sometimes new instruments, especially from Taiwan and Japan, are much easier to play and have better tuning. Even compared to the new products from France. Just like it is with Synths! And copying often ignites development in the industry!
Nearly identical products to those of tiny boutique modular manufacturers. The “corksniffer” video. Trademarking the word “KIRN”. Suing Tony Karavidas for posting his opinion in a discussion forum. And yet I see these same strawman arguments trotted out over and over again that people only dislike them because they make cheap products. No, that isn’t the reason.
2020 hab ich zufällig die TD-3 entdeckt für 99€. Lange keine Musik mehr gemacht. Früher nur am PC. u. A. Impulse Tacker, Rebirth... Heute hab ich ein kleines Studio. 12x Behringer and I love it!!! ❤
Und Du hast Spass damit! Das ist die Hauptsache! 👍
I only have two and most interested in SY-1 clone but enjoy Behringer existing more and more, everyday 👍
I like Behringer and don't understand the hate (but I'm a lifelong guitarist who only recently got into hardware synths, so I haven't developed any brand loyalty towards synth companies - I just buy what I like and can afford).
It also seems that in the guitar scene it‘s less scandalous to use Behringer pedals or amps for example. Or one of their sub brands.
*waves sadly through the relentless Brexitland rain*
Great video as always, I always value your opinion, despite the funny accent 😅 To be honest, your English is more articulate and understandable than a lot of UK ones!
Thanks a lot! Balsam on my wounded soul! 😁 There are only Germans complaining. I think that they have a problem understanding English in general! 🤖
As an Englishman, I was shocked and bitterly disappointed with the outcome of the Brexit vote. That's enough politics for me. Now back to music ✌️
Brexit was such a dumb idea! I still can‘t believe that it happened! 😢
@@winesynthsI think it was just a way for a very, very few people to get, or keep, some power, possibly some money too. I have very strong feelings about this, but I really don't want to sully your wonderful channel with this.🤬
Cheers 🥂
Thank you so much.
4:28 Brexit-land thanks you for not ordering, because we were so happy that we got the drop on the whole synth world this month 😊.
The British hated by main land Europe!?! lol that’s something new for us 😂
Love to Andertons ❤, you made our hated little country 🤣 the talk of the synth world for a few weeks.
Don’t mind me I’m off to play my Kobol which arrived 10 days ago 😘😉😀.
You’re honesty and opinion is valued and welcomed 👏👏👏👏.
Well said my friend.
I think that there are enough Roland TB-303 clones to not have an issue with the price.
Which clone is your favorite?
@@winesynths the Avalon baseline seems nice, although that one is pretty expensive itself.
I would get a TB-03 boutique if I would buy one. Also since it can be connected over USB to my Roland MX-1 mixer
That said, currently I just use one of my analog four tracks to make 303 like sounds.
the behringer uphoria series audio interfcaes are about 300$ less than they should be when compared to others. built like a tank too. i also have behringer truth 8 inch speakers and they rock! and you again would spend 500$ more per speaker for similar quality and frequency response.
Those interfaces are really a nobrainer in the entry level! Absolutely reliable tools! 👍
Your "influence" is interpersonal and positive--you are sharing things with us, your experience, your knowledge, and your wisdom. Warheit oder Fiktion? Wahrheit! Synthesizers are tools. You have experience in the industry, yet make no bold claims and are a kind and modest man. You produce wonderful music, and you are greatly appreciated, fondly. I can see no better accolade than this. Thank you for simply being you.
Your comments are like a good old aged Tawny Port! I really appreciate! 🥂
@@winesynths Thank you sir, I am honored. No sarcasm!
Can you discribe the character of the wine-terminology to the filters of your gear.
Mouthwatering! 😁🥂
*NINA in the house* - Awesome!
I read that interview with Robert too. That snob part was übersnobby, haha 😀 There might be people who worked very hard for that big chunk of money they dropped on Roland original machines, _just_ because all the other "alternatives" did not do it for them. Speaking for a friend, of course. \m_ In my personal opinion, the X0X-machines are still alright regarding their prices. A TB-303 is still the king of acid machines. If you want THAT sound and groove, you have to get one of these or maybe an RE-303. I own clones too and they mix well with an original machine, but they cannot replace it. Same for the 909 and 808 imho.
I don't understand why ppl hate so much on other ppl anyways.
Your videos are entertaining and informative at the same time. Just keep doing your thing! You and a handful of others TH-camrs have been helpful with my buying decisions. Or NOT-buying decisions.
Hey Hans! You know that I am widely of the same opinion regarding the old Roland gear. And the best example are my last purchases. But I am more of a Juno-6/60 and SH-101 guy than TB-303, contrary to my mate Stefan B. Now you know! And so far I am totally happy and productive with the RD-9 and the TD-3-MO. Still waiting for you for a session on the channel! 🥂
@@winesynths I would enjoy having both of the Junos and an SH-101 as well, hehe. A collective session is actually a great idea!
Behringer made my first microphone and gig capable guitar amp. Their gear is just as good as the next company's. They just cut the fat and make stuff that's affordable.
I don’t care about Behringers politics, I care about the quality of what I can accomplish with as little cash as possible! Peace
great discussion!
Rob Acid has an original 303.
Not only one, I think... 😁
Hola. Por qué no permites la traducción automática a otros idiomas además del ingles?? Hasta hace poco podía traducir tus vídeos al español 😢
yes!! please in french thank you😉
Désolé ! De mon côté ça marche ! Il faut éventuellement attendre un peu.
Can we track the boat somehow? 😅
I am all for copies of the vintage stuff we can't buy new or at an affordable price, but when they blatantly rip off existing products you can buy now, from 'boutique' companies, shamelessly copying design to the millimeter it becomes a problem for me. No shame and seemingly no repercussions either
Exactly!
Berhinger are doing nothing wrong. Making and selling synths. Its good for synth channels to be objective, if somethings junk its junk. B products seem to be hitting the highs, the edge for example is unreal.
Behringer should be called out for attempted lawsuits on critics in forums for example - they do things that are wrong - yeah also other synth companies do - they all should be criticizable
@@novalogue of course! I still dont think the heat they get for making clones is justified.
They dont realy get the heat for the clones - the counterfeits are the problem (what i call the products that are still sold by the original company)
With these they really harm especially small companies (XAOC for example)
Moog was greenwashing yes - but even so the employees got a bad payment it was a possibility for them to work in a factory like that - with Behringer products even the r&d is done in asia which doesnt let any room to make synth in Europe or US - and of course with their counterfeits of current moog products they also harmed moog no doubt
Thats a really bad situation if you live synths and want to be included in the manufactur process because there are less and less options left the more people just buy cheap (in price) counterfeits
If Behringer at least would make clones/counterfeits like the Deepmind which actually brings much more to the table than its successor
I think Jorb did a really good video on the topic on what Behringer could be as a company - if they go this route they hate will dissapear - also if they fire their PR Team - it feels like 12 year olds running their social media
@@NeoLudditevisons
Behringer has opened the door to those on a budget, or just starting out and can't afford to make an expensive mistake, or wanting to move from softsynths without the pain, or to try out the old classics, again without the pain, or dabble with analogue, etc...
Personally I ticked all of the above boxes, so Behringer has been a godsend in that regard. So far I have a DM6, DM12, and three Neutrons - racked. All very capable of a wide variety of sounds and textures - a dabblers delight for less than £2000 (including the rack!).
All the debates about Behringer I have gladly ignored, same goes for the boutique movement and influencers. The bottom line is the music and the immense pleasure it brings, and if a company can make it more achievable through a lower price and by giving people more opportunities to get hands on with the classics, then that's all that matters.
Not a big fan of Behringer, but I am a fan of the Deepmind 12.
The one Synth I never tried! Being an old time addicted to the Juno-60, I was always afraid of a deception! Same for the Monopoly, that I replaced by the Matriarch without any regrets!!! But I may be wrong... 😁
Worum geht es jetzt bitte genau? Hab relativ schnell den Faden verloren...
me too
must be where i get my bluntness, my grandma was German. (Mainz/Wiesbaden) i never learned the language though. i dont use hardware stuff tho so i cant complain. would be nice to have the pro1, mono-poly and the 909 though. i think that would be a good start for newcomers to synths also. or for that combined price of all those, a digitakt and a dreadbox module
Ableton and a Push 2 or 3 with a decent Mac M1 or better is everything you need today. It's more than enough to produce! And carefully watch our channel to find out what could be the best addition to your setup! 🍀
So much truth in your words. I also avoid Facebook because of the strange opinions shared there. It’s a shame.
i appreciate your honesty & awareness of the perils of populism! I agree about the scapegoating of Behringer (it is a fantastic company) and I for one only gain trust in you having seen this :) thank you
"Scapegoating" is such a funny word! Thanks for the reminder! 😁
Well, honestly, the Roland TB-303 is a machine that has died about 30 times and gone through 30 different owners before finally costing $3,000.
None TB-303 unit sounds the same, but now after 40 years and going through several operating rooms to revive it, electronic components are put in that are not original from Japan from 1981. That really makes them all sound much more different from each other and the Devil version. Fish is another modified machine that doesn't have the correct original sound.
Now I will say what my TD-3 has better things than the TB-303.
1- The knobs are firm, they are not weak at all, and they have the same quality as the TB-303, really the TD-3 is built in the same category of materials, both in the internal electronics and in the body materials.
2- It has a randomization system that never repeats the same notes.
3- the analog sound is identical when you calibrate it at 500hz with the filter at 12:00 and pressing the C1 note.
4-The charger is much more robust than the original, it has a really resistant cable, the Roland one is similar to the Korg Minilogue ones, (much cheaper and weaker).
5- It has many more internal configuration functions.
6- It has USB Midi in/out, Midi in/out/Thru connection.
7- the on and off button is of better quality.
8- backlighting of the machine looks better, with a more intense light than in the original TB-303.
9- I can use the TD-3 as a midi keyboard, in writing mode, with pitch mode, when I have it configured by the midi cable in LogicPro.
10- the sequencer is monophonic, but at the same time it is chromatic and thanks to Midi and USB, I can use this sequencer to sequence Logic's UltraBeat drum machine and experiment easily with the sequencer, it is a great tool to generate strange rhythms using the random function, I can't do that with my TB-303.
11- It has 3 control distortion, it's not the best but it does exactly what a 1990 Boss pedal can do.
My conclusion is:
TD-3 I know it will last me many years, another 40 years like Roland Tb-303, because my original is a piece of plastic shit and has lasted many years since they manufactured it in 1981, I wonder why this one can't be great Behringer TD-3 having some improvements?
I know that it gives me what I expect from an original, I bought TD-3 to have a second unit to make 2 bass lines, but I also use the TD-3 for beats with 3 Logic drum machines, to achieve happy coincidences, while I play TB-303 for bass with the midi keyboard or I want some acid house.
This machine is good, it is neither better nor worse than a TB-303, it is at the same level and is not 40 years old, but it does the same thing and gives better options only for 130 dollars.
I have the silver one, to match the colors with my Roland TB-303.
Now I'm missing the RD-6 and I know that this one can also be as good as its little brother.
If Behringer works this well with the rest of the things, it already shows me that it can do things well.
I understand that many people are bothered by a manufacturer who rescues old things to make business, it hurts when you have something for 3000 and someone takes it out for 300 or 130.
But Korg doesn't do it? Yes Arp 2600 mini is an example, but I will clone the DX7 in a Volca size, I know it is not Yamaha DX7 but it supports its sounds because it has the same architecture even though it only has 4 and 6 notes in the mk1 and m2.
And later, many others have cloned the CS-80, the MC-202, many classics inspired by the minimoog such as the 2600, but also the Odyssey.
Nobody saw it as bad, CAT really is a clone of Oddysey, nobody saw it bad and the English cloned it.
If Behringer is so bad for the moral attitude, I think the problem is more personal than commercial, in the end a musician will also buy a t-bone cloned piano or an imitation telecaster guitar, classic rolan pedals in other brands...
All Curtis filters have been cloned into modular ones from big brands.
I don't see why we should hate Behringer for doing reverse engineering for people with lower economies, that's unfair and democratization has given us access to things that only rich industry professionals possessed.
Dom, the English acid house producer, made his position clear at Andertons. He sold his TB-303 for $3,600 and bought some Behringer stuff. The first thing he did was buy 3 TD-3s since he only had one TB-3. 303 to make a line, and for the first time it has 2x TD-3 and a TD-3 MO.
He has no regrets, he knows how limited it is to buy Behringer and he values those functional values for music, having USB is comfortable for him and I think it is for many of us who have TD-3 as well.
Greetings and don't be on the networks so much, make more music and don't connect, enjoy the moment with Behringer things and the rest of the musical things from other brands.
greetings.
Thank you very much for this extended comment! I totally agree with you! 👍
The whole 'Techno only exists because of cheap music gear' justification for supporting Behringer conveniently forgets that if you want to make, finish and release music, by far, the cheapest way is to do it in your DAW with VSTs.. It is by far the most cost effective, powerful and flexible method of making electronic music.. even just using native plugins such as Ableton Suite will give you more possibilities than anyone could ever really need.
I totally agree! I am the first to tell people to use Ableton Live just with the stock plugins! Best you can do! But there are also a lot of people who prefer hardware. I am definitely more creative when I have knobs and faders around me! 🤖
Sure, but it's not physical gear.
I don't think he CONVENIENTLY forgot. Simply, there were no DAWs back then, and it was made on gear (mostly Roland) which failed on the market, and could be bought for very little money, and is now worth crazy prices. The original TB-303 was a failure, and so were the TR drum machines, until techno, house and hip hop put them back on the map. Of course, you can make music with whatever you want and have. There is no lack of good free software, including DAWs, synths and effects.
most of the behringer opposition is cmg from the other side of the atlantic..."-)
B is good when you need an 808 & Roland only makes a digital toy.
B is bad when it makes a cheap copy of a classic you can still actually get, like a moog.
Difference is making something available, which otherwise isn’t.
Vs
Blatant rip off of available intellectual property.
same opinion as Babicz although Behringer needs to get off social media and all that (it might be too late)
Behinger is the best. 8 Synths released this year alone. Pro vs mini, edge, kobol, pro 800, jt4000, solina, toro.
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@@winesynths Thanks brother love your show keep up the awesome work.
Whenever you need info, support or collab, you know where to find me! I like your style! 🤖
@@winesynths thats awsome brother. I appreciate that. Right back at you. Anytime.
I'm new to your channel and to synthesizers in general. For what it's worth I don't think you're biased towards Behringer. If anything, you're biased towards the Moog Matriarch. 😛You seem to know what you're talking about - your advice is extremely friendly, positive, and funny. If you were biased towards Behringer, my first synthesizer purchase probably would've been a Behringer. I bought a Hydrasynth Explorer and love it. I'll probably buy a Behringer something or rather at some point. Maybe a TD-3-MO... Probably going to buy a Moog DFAM as well but I digress... You can be a Behringer fanboy. I think anyone that would use that as an insult would be missing out.
Anyways, I doubt that the loudest voices really have any "skin in the game" so to say... The ones propagating the controversy probably aren't even affected by whatever they're mad about. So, just enjoy what you enjoy, ignore any negativity, and make cool music. 😀
Also, I think people use the term "influencer" negatively, which is somewhat understandable. Everyone is an influencer to some degree. Your influence on me seems genuine so I value your opinion. I think there are different degrees of influencers - there's ones that are completely "bought" (which isn't a bad thing in my opinion, congrats to them). For whatever reason, people in online communities seem to totally freak out if someone is paid to give a positive review of something. Like, people make TH-cam videos like this to hopefully earn something, even if that isn't the main focus, while sharing their opinion/something cool - they get fans because their content is good - then fans completely flip their lids when the person(s) they like has the opportunity to make some money doing what they're doing...
With all that said, please don't take any deals, don't change your channel at all, it's literally perfect, don't get eaten by the corporate influential promotion monster machine... 😈
Thanks for taking the time to write this nice comment! I will gladly take this motivation with me for the next video!
I think that Uli Behringer wants to be like Bob Moog, Dave Smith, Emillie Gilliet or Tom Oberheim, but I‘m afraid he is only a copy.
Excellent! 😁 And I am sure he doesn't care and plays some smooth chords on his piano! 🤖
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Erst: zum Wohl! Prost! 🍷Bissig, ehrlich und humorvoll. Klasse.
Is behringer perfect? Nope! But neither are the other companies, and when someone wearing Nikes and recording on a Mac starts bashing on B. about exploitation, etc. they'd better look into the past of the brands they are using. Bash them all at that point, you'd be more honest and objective.
The only Behringer gear I have is Xenyx mixer/audio interface and a bass pedal, none of which gave me any issue in several years of constant use. I don't own any synths from them, for no particular reason, except maybe trying no to give in to GAS ;)
Is so-called cloning debatable? Sure, but it's been around in tech and other industries for ever, and intellectual property is debatable as well. Not to mention that the patents to the machines they copy have long expired or didn't even exist. If I make a cartoon with Popeye, now in the public domain, no one would be calling me a cloner. Clones of the TB-303 and the Model D had been around much earlier than B. began their synth cloning phase.
No one cares about the tools you use to have fun and make music. If making music and having fun is your goal, that is - if it is to showcase luxury goods, then maybe you're in another category altogether...
As a horrible, predatory American libertarian capitalist…I basically agree. I’ve always been a little suspicious of Moog’s labor-washing (some dare call it virtue-signaling), and realizing that their pictures of “manufacturing” were really just assembly of SMD boards made in the same factories as everyone else. I admit I was surprised that they wanted to unionize, but-knowing the town of Asheville-even that much assembly here in the US would result in their boutique prices but not leave them all rich.
One area where I disagree is in Behringer manufacturing clones of current Moog instruments. Bringing back classics to a new generation of creators is great, but it is distasteful (even to me, a rapacious capitalist) to sell copies of current products. Those cheap 808s were only cheap because styles had moved on and new ones weren’t being made. I won’t act like this is a grave sin on the part of Uli or advocate for a law against it (ahem, libertarian), but I understand why Loopop would choose not to do business with them.
I also understand why you and others would. If I ever follow through with my idea for a joke channel, I will probably avoid the Crave but happily compare the UB-Xa to the OB-X8 or their CS-80 clone to my Deckard’s Dream.
Thanks for a thoughtful (and honest) video!
Did you compare the Deckards to a real CS-80? I did not want to believe the CS-cult.
But the first time I played one, the other day, was like an earthquake! 🫨 I hope that Behringer will be more in this ballpark than the Deckards, that I found a bit tired. But I did not have the RM Module. Also, the Ise-Nin is fat and a really nice synth. But in direct comparison with the real Jupiter-8 and even a Juno-6 it had a hard time. Until now, I am not totally convinced about Black Corporations products. Except the Xerxes that I really liked without having played a real Synthex yet. And there is the price. Compared to the Nina or the Super-6/Gemini, OB-X8 it's not exactly the same feel with the Hardware. And there are Synths like Behringer VC-340. Solidly built, works just fine and sounds awesome!
@@winesynths I wish I could compare it to a CS-80, but even if I could afford one, I couldn't move it to set it up. But, having listened to enough demos and having a couple of polyphonic-aftertouch synths, I thought it good enough. I do have the RM module, but I haven't had a chance to set it up yet.
So far, my favorite Behringer synth is the Neutron, and I hope they continue using their chip manufacturing to create more modernized takes on synthesizers.
Für mich der beste Synth in diesem Jahrhundert. Durfte einen der ersten Hundert ergattern und mit dem Upgrade auf 16 Stimmen macht er noch mehr Spaß! Vor allem der Multimode macht aus einem M vier Synthesizer 🎉
my opinion, pretty easy. Unsubbed from ALL self proclaimed 'influencers' worse than influenza for the soul. Tell me what it does, what it doesnt do, and can I afford it, then bugger off and let me make my own mind up. I will even pay monthly for patreon if they follow this simple rule.
I hope I can keep up to your needs! 😁
Behringers clone of the Moog grandmother coming soon ..the nana
Nona, Nana, Mémé, Mamie, Omma, .... There are a lot of possibilities! But "Behringers Omma" might be funny for us German speakers! 👵🏻
In a morally fdup world, scapegoating on a single company is just dumb. Like these other companies never have questionable practices...give me a break! People only see what they want to see and what the talking heads tell them to think. B's quality, sound is good, and solid for my usage ...better than being suck at the monitor using vaporware. Not luxurious items as Moogs for sure but good.
Musicians have always played with what they could put their hands on. Studios always used whatever they could afford. The BRAND thing and EXPENSIVE thing was never a part of the QUALITY equation. NOVELTY was. Plus, there are a couple of very good reasons musicians and studios dropped the Analogue in favor of digital anything during the late 70's and through out the 80's.
Brexit land ? Snobbery ,honest , yes rite
Sometimes it feels just great to be a snob! 🫣
@@winesynths well said , wot wot ,tip top old man, Behringer for the common man.😜
Awesome! I agree with everything you say. I think 😊 I've made videos on most of these topics. Here's the Behringer one : th-cam.com/video/tQ1X-ZQ21u4/w-d-xo.html
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Maybe they like your videos because of the "funny" accent?
(Arnold Schwarzenegger lässt grüßen. ^^ )
Ich bin ja totaler Arnold-Fan!! Guter Typ! 💪
@@winesynths Auf jeden Fall ein Self-made Typ. 😉
well my comment got deleted. so much for honesty. Unsubscribed.
Not from me! 🤖 What was your point?
Yawn.