@@IsaacMortensen a week ago yeah because people are playing it again before it gets shut down. But for a while it had only up to 4 digit amount of players..
I'm curious about the patent infringement, because patents work a bit different in Japan's gaming spaces. They have like a code of trust, where different companies will patent anything and everything expecting others to use them, but won't pursue legal action because they want these things to be used, not monopolized. It was a big deal when a gaming app tried to sue Nintendo for its ds touch screen controls.
The patent for that expired in 2015, Devs didn't want to use them anyways. Players want loading screens to be as fast as possible, and u don't want to make a player to be bummed out if they can't finish a minigame because their game loaded.
We should remember that Nintendo once said, "There are no copyrights in games," then tried suing most of the other gaming companies that they've copied.
Italy (Yes the entire country under a Class Action) suing Nintendo for attempting to trademark the names Mario & Luigi. If Italy does not do it then Italian Americans would instead. 📜
_Paco Gutierrez, age 9, always wanted a Nintendo console. However, due to being extremely poor living in Venezuela, it was just a distant dream. Using his creativity and with the help from his uncle, he made a cardboard Super Mario game, posted it on TH-cam and the video went viral. Thanks to the video, Nintendo's CEO Doug Bowser personally traveled to Venezuela, to give Paco a Cease and Desist order and sue his family for 200 million dollars._
Imagine getting so pissed a fan project outdoes your own franchise which you have been putting in minimal effort into, and you try to silence them legally. Truly a Nintendo move.
I don't know man... Nintendo is pretty petty but Disney is just on a whole other level of evil... EDIT: I just found out about the patenting deal and what Nintendo is actually trying to accomplish here. This is actually WAY more destructive than I initially believed and that Nintendo and Disney may not actually be allowed that far off from each other after this. Please do some research on this topic because what Nintendo is doing is potentially killing the gaming industry as well as any future indie developers that want to make video games outside of big corporations. This may very well end the hopes and dreams of all potential future game designers, myself included. Please, I beg of you all to do more research on this topic. It can't be understated just how truly horrible what Nintendo is doing here is.
You know, I'd still go with Disney. I don't recall in recent memory Nintendo suing the families of dead people, and claiming that someone can't sue them because they used a trial subscription for Disney+.
Disney solos. Not. Even. Close. Nintendo is deplorable with their legal nonsense and abusive copuwright power tripping, but disney makes them look almost reasonable by comparison
patents for game design is one of the dumbest things i’ve ever had the displeasure of learning about. honestly it shouldn’t even be a thing that you can do, imagine if we started doing that from the beginning. “oh, your game features controls that let you MOVE your character? sorry bud you can’t do that, pong did it first and they have the patent”
Nintendo actually sued a company for this in Japan and got 30 million although they wanted 90mil Its a patent on a mobile joystick. I'm not joking. You can look it up "Nintendo lawsuit 30 million)
@@whoopingmuffin9700 That company filed a similar patent and was trying to get every other mobile devs to pay to use it, Nintendo pretty shut that shit down by suing them, Nintendo and pretty much every other videogame company have a shitload of patents that they just never enforced to protect themselves from patent trolls outside of the industry if Nintendo didn't have that touch screen analog patent that company they sued would have screwed over every other mobile developers, so Nintendo was very much in the right there. Notice how despite winning that case Nintendo haven't gone after any other company using said touch screen joystick design?
I wish someone had patented lootboxes and Season passes instead... that is gaming cancer, at least when are forced in games that clearly need none of that, like single player campaign games.
as a habitual devils advocate, Pokemon was initially popular because the designs were good and the game was fun, but you can only ride an ip for so long before making significant changes.
throwing money wouldn't help, the games lack polish due to lack of time for the Gamefreak devs (also Gamefreak makes those games, not Nintendo), throwing money won't exactly do anything other then maybe make the games look slightly nicer
that logic doesnt really work with nintendo if were being honest. it would actually be: We would spend millions on legal fees against our competitors and make better games. and as for gamefreak it would be: monetize the shit out of pokemon while putting in the least effort possible and spend a crumb of that money on legal fees against their competition
Remember, this is the same company that patented the D-Pad in 1985. To avoid infringing on the patent, companies like Sony, Sega, and others had to come up with alternative designs for their controllers. Sony, for instance, avoided the classic cross-shaped D-Pad by breaking it into four separate directional buttons on the PlayStation controller. Sega Master System in the mid-1980s had its D-Pad a flat disc with raised edges to indicate the four cardinal directions, but the disc could also tilt slightly to provide diagonal input. The original Xbox controller, released in 2001, featured a D-Pad with a circular design instead. The patent eventually expired in 2005, but Sony kept the design.
Fun fact: biopharmaceutical companies can patent parts of the human genome. You cannot run experiments on parts of the human genome unless you get permission of that genes patent holder. Absolutely fucked
Close but no you can't patent parts of the human genome, only DNA sequences that aren't in nature can be patented. For example, the glow in the dark animals scientists made.
@@JagrasSneedandFeed it uses capture item but the pictures are of pokeballs hence changing it to cubes or changing how the mechanic is done would work
I'd be willing to bet that Nintendo had a problem with PalWorld the moment they started making merchandise. That's where pokemons money always came from.
Ever since Nintendo tried to patent Tears of the Kingdom's ultra hand mechanics, this lawsuit shouldn't be that much of a surprise to anyone, but it's still a shame to see how low a company could get just to prevent a potential competitor (One that's not even worth a fraction of their total net worth) become any larger because their own product in Pokémon is so lacking in many areas nowadays. Nintendo trying to Sue Palworld, not because of their designs through a copyright infringement, but over a patent of their game mechanics is absolutely abhorrent and if they win, it could start the doom of the industry and games as a form of interpret creation itself. The idea that a corporation could take a mere idea or concept of a mechanic and patent it so that only they could profit and use it in their games is so inherently greedy and cruel to the creation of art itself that I can't even fathom how someone could even justify this. Although given this is Nintendo, I don't think we should be shocked that they could stoop this low.
EA has a patent on the nemesis system they used in Shadow Of Mordor and Shadow Of War, and it's honestly really cool and I would love to see it used in other games. Too bad they'll never allow anyone else to ever fucking use it. So it's no surprise that Nintendo is trying to do the same thing. That would be the only reason why I'd want Nintendo to lose. If it meant that no game publisher could have a patent on a system mechanic and have to allow everyone else to use, then that would be neat. Don't think that's likely to happen however.
I am Japanese. I watched this video with Japanese subtitles using the automatic translation function. Very interesting! Thank you. I used to love Nintendo, but this lawsuit is sad news. Frankly, it seems that Nintendo has now become a life prolonging device for old men at the top of their. By the way, the PS5 version of "Pal World" was supposed to be announced at Tokyo Game Show 2024. But that was reportedly blanked out. My enjoyment was crushed.
I feel like simply nintendo is getting greedy, it no longer see themselves as game developer anymore but a company that wanted money, money, money. I'm curious. does japan also starting to like... well I won't say hate but began to think like "nintendo, why would you do this? stop!"
Not exactly, more like “it’s my mechanic/process to sit on”. They’d never be able to patent or copyright something as broad as a genre. That’s still in issue if the mechanic is wide enough to cover many games/be genre-defining, but I can see other ways of creature-collecting that aren’t covered by this patent (such as SMT’s negotiation system).
@@jxwong_3982 they essentially have, monster catchnig games have existed before pokemon even came out. The whole mechanic they are targetting is capturing them (where else are they gonna go once captured?) it kinda ruins the whole genre
I've always been against Pirating anything that can't be officially bought anymore, but I think I'm being converted into a "Pirate anything Nintendo" kinda person, because FUCK NINTENDO!
It's unfortunate that Pal World has found themselves in this legal battle. It would have been more beneficial if larger companies like Nintendo would foster innovation rather than inhibit it.
Whyto lose their markets share? And make their customers accept the sub par games they make? Of course their ass was on fire. If someone wanted a Pokemon fix they would look at the shitty current gen and play palworld instead which is on more platforms and more fun.
Sega fostered creativity. Nintendo just uses their no-fair-use home law. I wonder if Nintendo does the same thing as Disney in terms of not letting characters enter public domain.
@@mikeysheep5380it’s like when Burger King tried to partner with McDonald’s for a peace day thing (forgot the name) and McDonald’s said no, but then Burger King partnered with a bunch of other companies
Nintendo actually created the patents months after Palworld released. They literally made a patent where you throw something at someone and something happens. Nintendo patented basic game mechanics after Palworld's release and are now suing them for that.
It has to be more specific than that right? Throwing something at an NPC and having it react is something that can be broadly applied to a large number of games. Just to name a few, Tomb Raider, South Park Snow games, Last of Us, Baldurs Gate and similar games, literally every game with a grenade. There is no way this is actually a patent that went through like that.
So basically, they are not going for the obvious "looks similar" but rather "plays similar". Which is funny because Palworlds main appeal (why people stayed) is that it was different from the dusty Pokemon formula... like wtf
Because both games just use altered animals.... I'd argue palworld is more original, because plenty of Pokemon are literally just normal animals or objects.
Closer to "plays specifically similar." It's still a generalized idea, but just specific enough for the patent to be approved and give them legal standing on it.
@@JACpotatos Palworld definitely has a lot of great designs alongside the bootleg ones but as a whole I definitely wouldn't call it more original. Most or even any pokémon design still wipes the floor with anything in Palworld in terms of depth.
What's funnier is following the Japan take on it, they are celebrating and want Palworld to lose meanwhile the west is siding with Palworld it doesn't boad well for pocketpair since this is Japanese court but it highly shows the differences in how we view these companies and shines a big light on why nintendo gets away with as much as they do since their homeland adamantly supports this behavior.
What's crazy is it's a patent lawsuit, for game mechanics/concepts. If pocketpair or their legal team has a brain they'll cite the previous decades of pokemon clones that have identical and near identical mechanics to the mainline pokemon games that gamefreak and nintendo apparently didn't feel the need to speak up about. As this is clearly a "We're mad you're big enough to step on our toes" move more than anything. Btw some of those include robopon, medabots, DQ/DW monsters, World of final fantasy, yokai watch, temtem, monster sanctuary etc.
Well, it's Japan. Like many huge companies in the U.S., Nintendo will likely win simply for being Nintendo and abusing technicalities and word salad. When it comes to massive companies, I don't trust any court to truly rule against those with money.
Let’s not forget there was a Rick and Morty mobile game where it literally played like Pokemon. You obviously played as Rick and you traveled around catching Morty’s which had their own moves and such.
So patenting basic words, musical chords, and other basics things isn’t allowed, but patenting fucking ideas, which is also not allowed, is when it comes to games? What the fuck even is this?
As a huge Nintendo fan i genuinely hope they lose this lawsuit, its complete bullshit. What makes it worse is that this is from Japan and their legal system is a massive pain to understand when it comes to copyright, like i don't think Fair Use even exists over there, you'll get arrested for modding videogames
@@GameTimeNLL *I KNOW ITS NOT ABOUT COPYRIGHT IM SAYING THAT THEIR ENTIRE LEGAL SYSTEM DOESN'T BELIEVE IN FAIR USE SO IMAGINE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ACT ON THIS*
Wait a sec: the reason why they didnt sue at first was for sure Nintendo was farming. If they sued at first, then palworld wouldn't have the money to pay them. But now, palworld has run its course, made a bunch of money, and Nintendo can now go and clean it up and take all of the money that Palworld has made. They be farming the game companies
My exact thoughts. They could have shut it down day one, maybe even sooner, but this way they get to sue for 'damages' AFTER Palworld has 'gone on their territory' rather than stopping them at the fence.
Palworld was gonna come out of beta at the end of this year. This was 100% Nintendo letting them pour money into the project and suing them now so they could hurt them as much as possible.
@@axt2that is an absolute nothing statement.For one just because a game sells well on steam does not mean the devs pockets are full. Charlie made a video on this just a couple days ago. On top of the. Pokémon and Nintendo are multi BILLION dollar company who can throw 10s of millions of dollars at a legal team. They are super power companies going against a small company.
Even if they don't win, they can just keep suing palworld indefinitely to exhaust their money into legal resources until they can't go on anymore. It's a common strategy because being involved in these is exhausting and expensive.
@@axt2 and Nintendo would do anything to make them regret their decisions, even if it comes at a loss This is a petty retaliation and a lesson for others
@@Dr.Giggletouch0352 The game sold massively better than the devs expected. I dont assume they planned for failure. Lawfare is certaintly a concern but I'm honestly ignorant on how Japan handles this plus reimbursing the winning side with court fees, etc. A good legal team is an advantage but even the most brilliant legal minds can only stretch the truth so far. Nintendo is really hurting their image with this too. The PR hit may make the juice not worth the squeeze in the long term.
I talked about this in Taiwan chat, majority of people also supports Nintendo, and I had a hard time figuring out why no one seem to understand the implication of patent lawsuit... And, Ultimately it came down to this: Japan culture is just built different. PW had steadily been non-cooperative to the society and shown no remorse for it, so they need to be punished. The sentence that enlightened me was "Nintendo is basically the upper rank in Yakuza here", it's not really the west corporation logic of getting as much control as possible for profit, it's like a social responsibility thing...It's a country that you have to read apology letter for quitting a job, keeping their role is what they value the most. So if anyone's wonder why Japanese are supporting Nintendo...because it's personal, they want to see people don't behave as expected to be punished. Not saying it's right, it's just how I see them see it.
Yeah, that makes sense. So, in conclusion, Japan and its society are just wrong in this case. If what you say is true and if the majority of Japan supports Nintendos' decision. Throughout all of history, the decisions of entire countries, their leadership and society to be precise, are just wrong. Example: N@zi Germany. They expected everyone to behave like a German and to be German. And wanted to punish those who weren't. Modern America over the past 100 years. Constant foreign intervention and destabilizing countries weaker than them, literally bullying entire other countries. For the specific cases you and I are talking about, all 3 countries: Japan, America, and N@zi WWII Germany were and are wrong as an entire country.
Cool, Japan can support Nintendo blindly (they've always made brilliant fanatics haven't they?). If the case is a Japanese court, literally nowhere else in the world has to listen or comply. They can close up shop in Japan, a minority of sales and players, and be done. Then what, Nintendiots?
Patents in video games are meant to protect unique innovations, like game mechanics or technology. While they can seem restrictive, they also encourage creativity by giving developers the incentive to invest in new ideas. However, you're right that if misused, patents could limit competition or lead to monopolies, but the goal is to balance protection with fair competition in the industry.
I mean, if people didn't tout Palworld as "Pokemon with guns" and "THE Pokemon killer" then I feel like Palworld would've flown under the radar for most Pokemon fans.
@@Stellar-Jay but people called it 'pokemon with guns' and 'the Pokémon killer' because it was so obviously copying a lot of Pokémon... It never would've flown under the radar unless the game never got popular at all
@@jblenno because it was so obviously a better Pokémon. Things are called souls of such and such all the time this is not because they copied but because it has SOME similarities.
Basically Nintendo is patent trolling, they're not aiming to defend a copyright here, but rather to fuck with palworld devs by forcing them to settle & pay royalties for their batshit generic patents.
They're salty it's a success and Pocket Pair had a triumphant underdog story. They only care about the money. Maybe if they're weren't so ******* lazy about Pokemon, there wouldn't have been any thunder for an indie studio to steal.
They can also just force them out of business by making a long drawn out legal case and make them waste money on legal expenses. Its one of the many shitty things corporations can do
Imagine turn based battles that result in exp gain got patented. If the Nemesis system can be patent someone could have easily patented EXP gain as a whole. Or maybe if someone patented collecting hidden collectables that are hidden across the play area of the game. Patent for an inventory system where you can sort items. Patent for defeating enemies to earn currency, Patent for putting computer chips together to make a small circuit board, Nintendo done before they even got started no more cartridge based video games. Patent for anti piracy measures like a check at the boot of a game that detects whether the game is legit or if it's copied. Patent for using certain button combinations to trigger secret effects(cheat codes). Patent for almost everything in Starcraft/Warcraft, Say goodbye to any and all RTS innovations. What if they patented the side view camera angle for fighting games. No street fighter which means no fighting game innovations, the fighting game genre is now gone and we never knew about it because it was patented. How many amazing innovative games have we lost because of patent system abuse? We'll never know because they were never allowed to exist.
If Palworld released a DLC to help pay for legal fees that was just an island that contained a bunch of sentient red Ns walking around and I could beat them with sticks, I'd buy it. I'd make a second steam account and then buy it again.
@@Jolis_Parsec You'd have to make it look SUPER unlike Miyamoto or so horribly vaguely like him in order to let that pass as a sell-able product. Parody clause doesn't protect you from defamation if the person you're defaming looks exactly or too close like the real person, ESPECIALLY if you're making a profit off their likeness. Also these are Japanese laws we need to take into account, their laws for parody and the like are a bit different from ours. Like, granted, you could make ANY Asian-looking character and name him Shigeru Miyamoto and do that, but then that brings in the argument of "you think every Asian looks like Miyamoto? Wow racism" so that one kind of falls a bit flat. Mans throws "parody clause lul" like a caveman tries throwing a rock at a bird in a really tall tree. Stay mad, slopworld enjoyer.
Pocketpair should patent the concept of jumping on enemies to kill them and threatening to let everyone use it for free except for Nintendo unless they drop the case.
It's funny how patents are claimed to protect innovation, so that an artist can feel secured that their creation won't be stolen, and yet all they actually achieve in the modern age is corporations abusing it to stifle competition, thus _preventing_ innovation... Instead of learning from Palworld and improving their own product in Pokémon, Nintendo would rather out sue the competition, so that they don't exist in the first place. Classic corporate greed everyone👏
@Smiththebat not capitalism. Patents are entirely goverment enforced so way closer to socialism. Under capitalism the best/least expencive product will win out.
A lot of people don’t realize that patents expire after 15 to 20 years and you can’t extend them. People think you can extend them, but all it really is is taking the old patent and significantly upgrading a feature on it and then they re-patented it. It’s not an extension. I think at least in the US justice system if Nintendo tries to bring up its object throwing mechanic, even if they patented it in 2021, they’ve been using that since the 90s, which kind of makes the patent invalid. especially if it’s a mechanic that other people were using before they patented it, it can become invalid. Hopefully worst case scenario, is if palworld loses the lawsuit in Japan, they can move their studio over to the US.
They might need to look at console design patent sometimes Nintendo hide some game mechanics into thoses They used to have a patent for creatures lvl range in an area hidden in a gameboy patent (should be expired now) im sure there are a lot more mechanics hidden in some nintendo console patents
Nintendo greed. Why are they allowed to patent thousands of game mechanics? It just means no other game developer can make similar games without being threatened with lawsuit
Palworld has not hurt Pokemon at all. Not in sales, not in lost fans, not in anything. Not in anything at all. People defending Nintendo need to realize that. *Nothing has been taken away from them since Palworld's release whatsoever.* But Nintendo is about to take *everything* away from Palworld fans, and nobody can do anything about it. The least you can do is stop licking their boots and realize that the only one doing harm here is Nintendo.
@@ech9817 that's why they're suing for patent infringement. Else, they're not victims. Proving that something managed to "harm" the largest media franchise on earth is... impossible
@@bishr8590I played Brick Bronze for years so I can confidently say that Brick Bronze is a completely different case, the pokemon sprites in brick bronze are ripped straight out of the original games. Can't really argue against a takedown/lawsuit there.
@@bishr8590as much as i like brick bronze, its completely different. Although it was an original region filled with original characters, its still using nintendo made assets and is profiting from using said assets (gamepasses). A game called kaiju universe had to go through a major revamp because toho (owners of godzilla) filed a c&d against the devs since some liscensed kaiju are locked behind gamepasses. Although the KU Devs made the model, they are still profiting off these liscensed monsters.
3:08 they've also made a pokemon out of anything and everything so you'd be hard-pressed to design multiple animals/creatures that don't resemble at least one Pokemon
Ive never played palworld but what I can tell you as a life long Pokemon fan is what I said coming into this video “ as long as their not like throwing pokeball like things to catch these they should be fine because none of the sprites are exact copies. “ yea they are throwing spheres at them they are getting sued😭
If Nintendo wins this lawsuit I'm going to get a patent of putting your bicycle in a backpack since apparently you can sue for anything a company did in the past before the patent
The unfortunate loops gonna be like: Nintendo being arse -> fans angry and promise that won't play games from them anymore -> Nintendo releases trailers from their games -> people somehow forget and forgive about the past
There's absolutely nothing wrong with patenting pokemon and pokeballs, and anyone whose enjoyed pokemon or likes capitalism should be fine with copyright protections.
@@MrWizardGG This. People so up in arms against Nintendo while casually staying ODDLY quiet about the dozens of other big game dev companies doing way worse practices while getting praise from their undying fans. It's just blind hatred for a thing because the last one or two releases of a thing didn't do as well (but still did amazingly in sales and consistent player count).
The nemesis system being under patent doesn't even help WB - if it weren't under patent and someone else could utilize the system, people who loved the system in other games would seek out the original. We all know that feeling of falling in love with a piece of media, finishing it, and wanting something just like it.
The patent wasnt even read right in the video, its explains the character throwing any object that interacts with the field character.. so vague it could describe grenades or rocks lol
wait, you mean to tell me that nintendo couldnt find anything to sue Palworld over so they decided to set up a patent for 'if you throw something at an enemy" so that they would be able to have a means to sue palworld. Basically creating their own means of suing them
throwing an item to catch something has been in Nintendo games since the Gameboy so i don't understand how they could patent that mechanic recently. I thought there are time limits on this kinda of stuff and by now that would have been expired by now.
I’d actually be shocked if they haven’t by now. Not directly, but those corporate situations where one branch of a corporation sues another branch without realizing they’re both under the same parent company
Never underestimate the ability of courts to come up with an excuse to side with a big corporation over the little guy. Courts in america tossed out a joycon drift suit because a mom was suing on behalf of her children, and nintendo argued in court that anyone under 18 wasn't actually allowed to use the switch per the license agreement, and the judge agreed, despite the fact that like half of nintendo's money comes from fucking children and parents buying shit on behalf of their children.
@@pegasusrr3156 it's a patent and the patent isn't just spheres either. It's "capture item" so it could be a net or a square or a cardboard box and still be taken to court (in Japan). Nintendo is basically saying they own the entire genre of gacha creature games. Lmao they can absolutely win in Japan which is insane but US has denied them the patent for Nintendo USA.
It is morally correct to pirate any game. Screw you and your self-imposed moral system, I'm gonna go pirate every single triple A and indie-game on the market.
Even if they can't win the case they can just drag out the lawsuit until palworld is completely bankrupt and can't fight back and then they would just win by default
1:22 "Charging their ult" this made me laugh out loud for some reason as I imagined Nintendo's board of directors charging up like Goku's first super saiyan transformation.
I think the most bizarre thing about this lawsuit is that there's a shocking amount of people SUPPORTING Nintendo, saying they hope Palworld loses hard and stuff. And it's not just some brainrotted Twitter incels, that includes a majority of my feed saying how "Palworld is doomed lmao" and some Japanese folks. It's not like it's a small group, it's a pretty sizeable amount of people who really really hate Palworld...who are also ironically the most clueless and say "well they stole designs so lmao" even though that's not what the case is about. We live in an actual dystopia.
tbf, palworld _did_ outright rip off various designs. Almost to the same extent Nintendo did when they first created a game called "pokemon". I think the main reason however, is that there are guns and slavery and palworld overall steps away from the mascot-y theme. And (some) people simply don't want that in their comfort food.
@@feha92except Pokemon's "ripoffs" are just that they'd make a crab creature or a bird creature, a Pokemon based on the same animal/yokai as another monster from another franchise. Palworld's ripoffs are basically just them taking Charizard, hue shifting it blue, and saying its a new design.
It's not surprising me that there's nothing but praise from the japanese. Over there publically saying a corpo is bad opens you up for a defamation lawsuit that will actually succeed and leave you destitute. There are certainly japanese fans that support palworld but they cannot publically voice their opinion or else Nintendo will rob them of their home.
The thing is this patent lawsuit is not illegal because there is no law that says that you cant own a concept, this enters the realm of diluted law and business which is kinda interesting topic imo
the patent system needs a serious rework. because it’s certainly good for innovation, but it has SO many exploits for major companies to abuse in certain aspects: notably video game mechanic, systems, etc.
patenting mechanics is honestly the dumbest thing because it'll get to the point where you can't make anything without being sued because big companies patent everything
Nintendo suing Palworld half a year after it became irrelevant is the most Nintendo thing ever
They probably just mad maybe cuz it got more attention then the recent pokemon games
They still have plenty of players, what are you talking about
palworld still had over 23000 active players when i looked like a week ago on steam, doesn't sound dead or irrelevant to me tbh
@@IsaacMortensen i bet this causes a big spike in sales. Streissand effect in full display
@@IsaacMortensen a week ago yeah because people are playing it again before it gets shut down. But for a while it had only up to 4 digit amount of players..
Nintendo after discovering that there is a fruit called Peach:
Good one bro
Who are they gonna sue? Mother nature?
@@swoozy_zwoozy5709 yes
@@swoozy_zwoozy5709 if they could they would at this point.
Kids after releasing they have no personality except regurgitating ragebait
Patenting a game mechanic feels like patenting a musical note. It's pointlessly powerful for no good reason.
ehhh it’s more like patenting a chord progression
@@pluslotl1388 still in some cases that doesn't hold in court, sure i can see it in this case and all that's left is if the court agrees
I'm curious about the patent infringement, because patents work a bit different in Japan's gaming spaces. They have like a code of trust, where different companies will patent anything and everything expecting others to use them, but won't pursue legal action because they want these things to be used, not monopolized. It was a big deal when a gaming app tried to sue Nintendo for its ds touch screen controls.
hat statement just goes to show how retar ded you are
You should ask about sampling- vanilla ice
Thank god Nintendo hasn't seen the cryopods in ark yet
Palworld should just say the palsphetes are inspired by ark
@@VRJackyand get ark sued with them
@@VRJackyhell no wildcard is worse then Nintendo they are begging for money as is
@aceneto9386 not wildcard. snail games is the one that ruined everything once it got involved
Wild card isn’t even that bad of a company, its there parent company snail games thats greedy as shit.
This just in: Nintendo sues baseball for throwing balls on a field and tracking stats
@umuppp-e7nnice movie clip
I patented breathing, stop that right now.
@umuppp-e7n Nobody cares
@@Splinneesorry, but I patented lungs before you
It's a bot kids.
You're kind of talking to a message you see written on a wall.
Stealing loading screen mini games from us deserves jail time
Fifa was doing mini games during loading time while the Bandai Namco patent was still active
Only game I can remember that did this was bayonetta
@@dd-sea4602ps2 dragon ball games did it too
The patent for that expired in 2015, Devs didn't want to use them anyways. Players want loading screens to be as fast as possible, and u don't want to make a player to be bummed out if they can't finish a minigame because their game loaded.
@@dd-sea4602 Splatoon did it, too
We should remember that Nintendo once said, "There are no copyrights in games," then tried suing most of the other gaming companies that they've copied.
Nintendo probably thinks their new games have Neuralyzers in them.
@@yuyaricachimuel555I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually did
Yh it's fucking pathetic and scummy. Y is this company so adamant on everyone being so fucking miserable?
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Nintendo forgot how they were a small company back in the day when they got sued for kong
Goes to show money can change people
@@burakkyi money doesn’t change people they just make them express their true nature.
@@maxxcells fr
Hiroshi Yamauchi isn't Shuntaro Furukawa
Nintendo suing Italy after finding out they have plumbers
Here in Italy, the basic "generic" name-surname combo is Mario Rossi. My country would be even more fucked than it actually already is.
@@NinhoCoD97can confirm my uncle is called Mario
Ever since they won the Donkey Kong lawsuit from King Kong, Nintendo thinks they can sue anyone now - especially Mario's and Luigi's.
Italy (Yes the entire country under a Class Action) suing Nintendo for attempting to trademark the names Mario & Luigi.
If Italy does not do it then Italian Americans would instead. 📜
@@papyrateyt2923 is your dad luigi?
Nintendo's next patent "button inputs that cause player character to take actions".
I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if they were that egotistical
Uh about that.
They patented the D pad.
That's why every other D pad isn't connected
@@acamera367 didnt it expire in 2005?
@@acamera367 Tell that to my wired Xbox Controller for my PC That has it
@@ssj10tails It did?
_Paco Gutierrez, age 9, always wanted a Nintendo console. However, due to being extremely poor living in Venezuela, it was just a distant dream. Using his creativity and with the help from his uncle, he made a cardboard Super Mario game, posted it on TH-cam and the video went viral. Thanks to the video, Nintendo's CEO Doug Bowser personally traveled to Venezuela, to give Paco a Cease and Desist order and sue his family for 200 million dollars._
lmao
Lol
Funny, but it’s a copy pasta. If anyone is curious
barbToxic
They're so kind to visit him personally with a gift 😊
Imagine getting so pissed a fan project outdoes your own franchise which you have been putting in minimal effort into, and you try to silence them legally. Truly a Nintendo move.
Disney vs Nintendo in a “How petty can we be” competition
Ayo, it's the MK dawg
I don't know man... Nintendo is pretty petty but Disney is just on a whole other level of evil...
EDIT: I just found out about the patenting deal and what Nintendo is actually trying to accomplish here. This is actually WAY more destructive than I initially believed and that Nintendo and Disney may not actually be allowed that far off from each other after this. Please do some research on this topic because what Nintendo is doing is potentially killing the gaming industry as well as any future indie developers that want to make video games outside of big corporations. This may very well end the hopes and dreams of all potential future game designers, myself included. Please, I beg of you all to do more research on this topic. It can't be understated just how truly horrible what Nintendo is doing here is.
You know, I'd still go with Disney. I don't recall in recent memory Nintendo suing the families of dead people, and claiming that someone can't sue them because they used a trial subscription for Disney+.
not too comparable...
Disney solos. Not. Even. Close.
Nintendo is deplorable with their legal nonsense and abusive copuwright power tripping, but disney makes them look almost reasonable by comparison
Patenting game mechanics is like a musician patenting a chord or a time signature
wow a comment without bot replies
Tell WB studios that about nemesis too
ffs
@@sunhammer420you jinxed it
I disagree. I think pokeballs are a unique enough concept that are heavily associated culturally with pokemon. Nemesis is a bad patent however.
patents for game design is one of the dumbest things i’ve ever had the displeasure of learning about. honestly it shouldn’t even be a thing that you can do, imagine if we started doing that from the beginning. “oh, your game features controls that let you MOVE your character? sorry bud you can’t do that, pong did it first and they have the patent”
Nintendo actually sued a company for this in Japan and got 30 million although they wanted 90mil
Its a patent on a mobile joystick. I'm not joking.
You can look it up "Nintendo lawsuit 30 million)
patents actually were the way that gaming companies kept competitors down back in the day
@@whoopingmuffin9700 That company filed a similar patent and was trying to get every other mobile devs to pay to use it, Nintendo pretty shut that shit down by suing them, Nintendo and pretty much every other videogame company have a shitload of patents that they just never enforced to protect themselves from patent trolls outside of the industry if Nintendo didn't have that touch screen analog patent that company they sued would have screwed over every other mobile developers, so Nintendo was very much in the right there. Notice how despite winning that case Nintendo haven't gone after any other company using said touch screen joystick design?
RPGs: exist
Nintendo: that's clearly infringement on the Legend of Zelda
I wish someone had patented lootboxes and Season passes instead... that is gaming cancer, at least when are forced in games that clearly need none of that, like single player campaign games.
Pokemon is a game that is hard carried by nostalgia. Thats the reason why Pokemon still exist today
as a habitual devils advocate, Pokemon was initially popular because the designs were good and the game was fun, but you can only ride an ip for so long before making significant changes.
peaked in gen 3
Yeah I started with gen 1 and have completely stopped playing
I stopped playing regular Pokémon games completely. I only play the rom hacks
@@lakeland6798 I would say Gen 4 was the peak
Nintendo for some f*cking reason: We would rather spend millions on legal fees against our competitors than make a better game
Well nintendo doesnt make the Pokemon games, GameFreak does.
Gamefreak cares more about anything but making better games
Still not Nintendo who make it chief
throwing money wouldn't help, the games lack polish due to lack of time for the Gamefreak devs (also Gamefreak makes those games, not Nintendo), throwing money won't exactly do anything other then maybe make the games look slightly nicer
that logic doesnt really work with nintendo if were being honest. it would actually be: We would spend millions on legal fees against our competitors and make better games. and as for gamefreak it would be: monetize the shit out of pokemon while putting in the least effort possible and spend a crumb of that money on legal fees against their competition
I just patented breathing. Please refrain from inhaling until you speak to my attorney.
Just took one breath
Don’t hold your breath pal
Is it cool if I breathe long enough to talk to them tho?
@@MoonWielder just a reminder that music production companies tried to patient TONES...
A LITERAL TONE
🚫🫁☠️
Remember, this is the same company that patented the D-Pad in 1985. To avoid infringing on the patent, companies like Sony, Sega, and others had to come up with alternative designs for their controllers. Sony, for instance, avoided the classic cross-shaped D-Pad by breaking it into four separate directional buttons on the PlayStation controller. Sega Master System in the mid-1980s had its D-Pad a flat disc with raised edges to indicate the four cardinal directions, but the disc could also tilt slightly to provide diagonal input. The original Xbox controller, released in 2001, featured a D-Pad with a circular design instead. The patent eventually expired in 2005, but Sony kept the design.
Bro's a edge Lord how sad@Main-f9t
@@Certified_Marvin_M0ment na, just a bot doing bot things.. you'll find him under every vomment..
So, patents expire after 30 years?
wow I actually didn't know about that, thanks!
@@mrowlsss I think it depends on the patent
Nintendo would sue imagination for allowing others to think creatively about things
Fun fact: biopharmaceutical companies can patent parts of the human genome. You cannot run experiments on parts of the human genome unless you get permission of that genes patent holder. Absolutely fucked
So a company somewhere owns the blueprints of me?
@@Rashed1255 Does that mean that I can demand refund for all the fucked up shit that is going on with my body?
@@iglidor if ur older than 1 then no, warranty is up.
Close but no you can't patent parts of the human genome, only DNA sequences that aren't in nature can be patented. For example, the glow in the dark animals scientists made.
That's fucking bullshit.
EASY: Just update Palworld to throw cubes instead of balls. Done.
Won't stop them, no doubt it's worded as "device" instead of ball specifically
@@JagrasSneedandFeed they're "palspheres"
@@I_am_a_cat_ the patent. I'm sure the wording of the patent is as vague as possible, I'm saying
*PalCubes* . . . sounds like a _Mooohjang_ "patent"
@@JagrasSneedandFeed it uses capture item but the pictures are of pokeballs hence changing it to cubes or changing how the mechanic is done would work
Nintendo suing man for saying “wee” while going down a slide
Suing over “throwing an item to catch a monster while out in a field” is wild. I hope Palworld wins.
I see what you did there lmao
@@MDGOLDI see it too but then again I'm high right now
@@MDGOLDlmao I caught that too. See what I did there lmao 🤣
@@cmasterson you know it I "caught" a glimpse of it lmao
@@MDGOLDhuh
patenting a game mechanic doesn't even make sense, it shouldn't even be a thing.
Going off of this, I heard EA patented the facial/body customization mechanics in Create a sim. Like how you can drag and pull on them
Either, namco patented the early arcade leaderboard things. All gaming companies do it.
Nintendo patented loading screens for fast travel, and momentum. :)
@@arbellason2094 Doesn't mean they should be able to.
I'd be willing to bet that Nintendo had a problem with PalWorld the moment they started making merchandise. That's where pokemons money always came from.
Nintendo the kind of company to burn down a hospital if they saw a Mario painting in a children's ward.
Nah, thats Disney
@@maritoxico9982 both
@@maritoxico9982 if nintendo and disney ever combined forces the world might end
No, Nintendo would never do that!
They'd sue the kids first, THEN burn the hospital down.
As much as we balme Nintendo it more the fault of capitalism because look at Disney, Amazon, and on and on
Imagine if Mojang patented block placement mechanic
Patenting building would be insane
Ever since Nintendo tried to patent Tears of the Kingdom's ultra hand mechanics, this lawsuit shouldn't be that much of a surprise to anyone, but it's still a shame to see how low a company could get just to prevent a potential competitor (One that's not even worth a fraction of their total net worth) become any larger because their own product in Pokémon is so lacking in many areas nowadays.
Nintendo trying to Sue Palworld, not because of their designs through a copyright infringement, but over a patent of their game mechanics is absolutely abhorrent and if they win, it could start the doom of the industry and games as a form of interpret creation itself.
The idea that a corporation could take a mere idea or concept of a mechanic and patent it so that only they could profit and use it in their games is so inherently greedy and cruel to the creation of art itself that I can't even fathom how someone could even justify this.
Although given this is Nintendo, I don't think we should be shocked that they could stoop this low.
Fun? Thats illegal!
i get the feeling its the gamefreak ppl who asking nintendo to do the patent stuff since pokemon games getting lazier lately
I’m sorry but Palword is not bigger than Nintendo and it would never be
don't forget they didn't file said patent until march of this year, AFTER Palworld was released.
EA has a patent on the nemesis system they used in Shadow Of Mordor and Shadow Of War, and it's honestly really cool and I would love to see it used in other games. Too bad they'll never allow anyone else to ever fucking use it. So it's no surprise that Nintendo is trying to do the same thing.
That would be the only reason why I'd want Nintendo to lose. If it meant that no game publisher could have a patent on a system mechanic and have to allow everyone else to use, then that would be neat. Don't think that's likely to happen however.
Nintendo would amputate a guy's arm if he had a Mario tattoo on him
Not Really, They'd Just Have To Cut Off The Skin.
And put him in debt for the rest of his life.
@@Praying_Light_Force You dare to underestimate their power?
@@navyspark Wouldn't That Guy Become A Killer If They Amputate The Guy's Arm? Nothing Left To Lose? Be Careful!
I have a Mario tattoo I got for my son…. Should I be concerned😂.
I am Japanese. I watched this video with Japanese subtitles using the automatic translation function. Very interesting! Thank you.
I used to love Nintendo, but this lawsuit is sad news. Frankly, it seems that Nintendo has now become a life prolonging device for old men at the top of their.
By the way, the PS5 version of "Pal World" was supposed to be announced at Tokyo Game Show 2024. But that was reportedly blanked out. My enjoyment was crushed.
ガチ悲しいニュース。日本人としてどうして任天堂は小柄な会社に対して暴力的に攻撃するかわからないの？？
I feel like simply nintendo is getting greedy, it no longer see themselves as game developer anymore but a company that wanted money, money, money. I'm curious. does japan also starting to like... well I won't say hate but began to think like "nintendo, why would you do this? stop!"
Smiling Friends said it best, “blank can’t go make a new game! That’s my IP to sit on and do nothing with”
"Its MY IP to sit on and do nothing with!"
-Gwimbly CEO
at least IPs are just characters, Nintendo out here trying to say "its my genre to sit on" like wtf
@jefferyandbob3137 for real lmao
Not exactly, more like “it’s my mechanic/process to sit on”. They’d never be able to patent or copyright something as broad as a genre.
That’s still in issue if the mechanic is wide enough to cover many games/be genre-defining, but I can see other ways of creature-collecting that aren’t covered by this patent (such as SMT’s negotiation system).
@@jefferyandbob3137 which is especially ironic considering monster catcher games have been around before pokemon
@@jxwong_3982 they essentially have, monster catchnig games have existed before pokemon even came out. The whole mechanic they are targetting is capturing them (where else are they gonna go once captured?) it kinda ruins the whole genre
Pirating Nintendo games is not only right it's morally acceptable too.
i mean its not but fuck them
Anyone that does deserves praise and thanks! Truly good, thinking people :)
Hahah I'm not going to say anything 🙃 otherwise I'll see Mario and Luigi on my doorstep
I've always been against Pirating anything that can't be officially bought anymore, but I think I'm being converted into a "Pirate anything Nintendo" kinda person, because FUCK NINTENDO!
@@omarabdul2864 **someone in red and green trousers pulls a pair of hammers**
It's unfortunate that Pal World has found themselves in this legal battle. It would have been more beneficial if larger companies like Nintendo would foster innovation rather than inhibit it.
Whyto lose their markets share? And make their customers accept the sub par games they make?
Of course their ass was on fire. If someone wanted a Pokemon fix they would look at the shitty current gen and play palworld instead which is on more platforms and more fun.
Sega fostered creativity. Nintendo just uses their no-fair-use home law. I wonder if Nintendo does the same thing as Disney in terms of not letting characters enter public domain.
@@mikeysheep5380 I could hardly even point to a sega franchise anymore lol
@@mikeysheep5380it’s like when Burger King tried to partner with McDonald’s for a peace day thing (forgot the name) and McDonald’s said no, but then Burger King partnered with a bunch of other companies
Nintendo suing some guy in green elf clothes holding a wooden sword.
Nintendo actually created the patents months after Palworld released. They literally made a patent where you throw something at someone and something happens. Nintendo patented basic game mechanics after Palworld's release and are now suing them for that.
That doesn't sound, yk, legal
Considering Xbox last I checked only exclusivity rates they are absolutely going to get involved@@officialtoddhoward69
@@officialtoddhoward69 Laws are for peasants dont you know?
@@officialtoddhoward69 Probably depends on the law overthere, it´s definitely illegal in my country, that´s for sure.
It has to be more specific than that right? Throwing something at an NPC and having it react is something that can be broadly applied to a large number of games. Just to name a few, Tomb Raider, South Park Snow games, Last of Us, Baldurs Gate and similar games, literally every game with a grenade. There is no way this is actually a patent that went through like that.
So basically, they are not going for the obvious "looks similar" but rather "plays similar". Which is funny because Palworlds main appeal (why people stayed) is that it was different from the dusty Pokemon formula... like wtf
Because both games just use altered animals.... I'd argue palworld is more original, because plenty of Pokemon are literally just normal animals or objects.
Closer to "plays specifically similar."
It's still a generalized idea, but just specific enough for the patent to be approved and give them legal standing on it.
@@JACpotatos Palworld definitely has a lot of great designs alongside the bootleg ones but as a whole I definitely wouldn't call it more original.
Most or even any pokémon design still wipes the floor with anything in Palworld in terms of depth.
What's funnier is following the Japan take on it, they are celebrating and want Palworld to lose meanwhile the west is siding with Palworld it doesn't boad well for pocketpair since this is Japanese court but it highly shows the differences in how we view these companies and shines a big light on why nintendo gets away with as much as they do since their homeland adamantly supports this behavior.
Which is kinda funny when Pokemon nor Nintendo are the first to make a game like this, theyre just the only ones that *survived*
What's crazy is it's a patent lawsuit, for game mechanics/concepts. If pocketpair or their legal team has a brain they'll cite the previous decades of pokemon clones that have identical and near identical mechanics to the mainline pokemon games that gamefreak and nintendo apparently didn't feel the need to speak up about. As this is clearly a "We're mad you're big enough to step on our toes" move more than anything.
Btw some of those include robopon, medabots, DQ/DW monsters, World of final fantasy, yokai watch, temtem, monster sanctuary etc.
Well, it's Japan. Like many huge companies in the U.S., Nintendo will likely win simply for being Nintendo and abusing technicalities and word salad. When it comes to massive companies, I don't trust any court to truly rule against those with money.
Pokemon wasn't even the first "Capture monsters and put them in a storage device" property
Let’s not forget there was a Rick and Morty mobile game where it literally played like Pokemon. You obviously played as Rick and you traveled around catching Morty’s which had their own moves and such.
@@thomasprice7893 Likely not important if Nintendo was the first to patent the idea though.
@@AllThingsEntertainingAnd that's why patents are cringe and only serve to benefit rich people while pretending they help poor inventors
this just in: Nintendo sues the ocean for copying squids
Nintendo being Nintendo
Nintendo trying not to make lawsuit (impossible challenge)
@Main-f9t Why are you here?...
@Main-f9t shut up
@Main-f9t shut up
I don’t understand why Nintendo can’t just let us have good things
Nintendo suing palworld feels like that one time when the react channel tried to copyright the word "react"
So patenting basic words, musical chords, and other basics things isn’t allowed, but patenting fucking ideas, which is also not allowed, is when it comes to games? What the fuck even is this?
We need to destroy patent laws.
@@Ghent_Halcyon welcome to Japan laws. Where you can patent an entire genre and get away with it lmao 🤣
@@MissImpolitejapans laws are shit
As a huge Nintendo fan i genuinely hope they lose this lawsuit, its complete bullshit. What makes it worse is that this is from Japan and their legal system is a massive pain to understand when it comes to copyright, like i don't think Fair Use even exists over there, you'll get arrested for modding videogames
Fair use doesnt exist in japan. But this is not about copyright. But patent. Which is different.
@@GameTimeNLL that's exactly my point, if Fair Use doesn't exist then imagine what's going to happen to court over this
@@Arcademan09 again this is about patent, not copyright. Fair use is about copyright. Which this case is not.
@@GameTimeNLL *I KNOW ITS NOT ABOUT COPYRIGHT IM SAYING THAT THEIR ENTIRE LEGAL SYSTEM DOESN'T BELIEVE IN FAIR USE SO IMAGINE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ACT ON THIS*
@@GameTimeNLL read first before say anything
Wait a sec: the reason why they didnt sue at first was for sure Nintendo was farming.
If they sued at first, then palworld wouldn't have the money to pay them. But now, palworld has run its course, made a bunch of money, and Nintendo can now go and clean it up and take all of the money that Palworld has made.
They be farming the game companies
My exact thoughts. They could have shut it down day one, maybe even sooner, but this way they get to sue for 'damages' AFTER Palworld has 'gone on their territory' rather than stopping them at the fence.
Palworld was gonna come out of beta at the end of this year. This was 100% Nintendo letting them pour money into the project and suing them now so they could hurt them as much as possible.
but Palworld has been incredibly, incredibly profitable for the devs. It's one of the best selling steam games of all time. Their war chest is full.
@@axt2that is an absolute nothing statement.For one just because a game sells well on steam does not mean the devs pockets are full. Charlie made a video on this just a couple days ago. On top of the. Pokémon and Nintendo are multi BILLION dollar company who can throw 10s of millions of dollars at a legal team. They are super power companies going against a small company.
Even if they don't win, they can just keep suing palworld indefinitely to exhaust their money into legal resources until they can't go on anymore. It's a common strategy because being involved in these is exhausting and expensive.
@@axt2 and Nintendo would do anything to make them regret their decisions, even if it comes at a loss
This is a petty retaliation and a lesson for others
@@Dr.Giggletouch0352 The game sold massively better than the devs expected. I dont assume they planned for failure. Lawfare is certaintly a concern but I'm honestly ignorant on how Japan handles this plus reimbursing the winning side with court fees, etc. A good legal team is an advantage but even the most brilliant legal minds can only stretch the truth so far. Nintendo is really hurting their image with this too. The PR hit may make the juice not worth the squeeze in the long term.
Nintendo used to be a respect company during the Iwata days
I talked about this in Taiwan chat, majority of people also supports Nintendo, and I had a hard time figuring out why no one seem to understand the implication of patent lawsuit...
And, Ultimately it came down to this: Japan culture is just built different. PW had steadily been non-cooperative to the society and shown no remorse for it, so they need to be punished.
The sentence that enlightened me was "Nintendo is basically the upper rank in Yakuza here", it's not really the west corporation logic of getting as much control as possible for profit, it's like a social responsibility thing...It's a country that you have to read apology letter for quitting a job, keeping their role is what they value the most.
So if anyone's wonder why Japanese are supporting Nintendo...because it's personal, they want to see people don't behave as expected to be punished. Not saying it's right, it's just how I see them see it.
good
Thank you for this
Yeah, that makes sense. So, in conclusion, Japan and its society are just wrong in this case. If what you say is true and if the majority of Japan supports Nintendos' decision.
Throughout all of history, the decisions of entire countries, their leadership and society to be precise, are just wrong.
Example: N@zi Germany. They expected everyone to behave like a German and to be German. And wanted to punish those who weren't.
Modern America over the past 100 years. Constant foreign intervention and destabilizing countries weaker than them, literally bullying entire other countries.
For the specific cases you and I are talking about, all 3 countries: Japan, America, and N@zi WWII Germany were and are wrong as an entire country.
Cool, Japan can support Nintendo blindly (they've always made brilliant fanatics haven't they?). If the case is a Japanese court, literally nowhere else in the world has to listen or comply. They can close up shop in Japan, a minority of sales and players, and be done. Then what, Nintendiots?
L cultural take tbh
I don’t get why patents in video games even exist. Wouldn’t that create a monopoly or something similar?
yep.
Probably.
Patents in video games are meant to protect unique innovations, like game mechanics or technology. While they can seem restrictive, they also encourage creativity by giving developers the incentive to invest in new ideas. However, you're right that if misused, patents could limit competition or lead to monopolies, but the goal is to balance protection with fair competition in the industry.
Did mans take a pause at 4:18 to fix his cards on the bottom right
Yes
Well spotted 👍👍
Damn
I found that way funnier than I should have
you got a good eye
*breaths oxygen*
Nintendo: WE HAVE THAT PATENT! SUEDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!
Me: throws a rock
Nintendo: *GASP* IS THAT A POKEMON REFERENCE?!?!?!
lol I read that in the _is that the bite of 87_ voice
Safari zone lol
*l a w y e r u p*
You wanna know the worst part of all this? Thousands of Nintendo/Pokemon fanatics were messaging Nintendo to sue Palworld. These people just as toxic.
I mean, if people didn't tout Palworld as "Pokemon with guns" and "THE Pokemon killer" then I feel like Palworld would've flown under the radar for most Pokemon fans.
It makes me embarrassed as an Nintendo Fan.
They are probably the same people saying that Scarlet and Violet is a great game.
@@Stellar-Jay but people called it 'pokemon with guns' and 'the Pokémon killer' because it was so obviously copying a lot of Pokémon... It never would've flown under the radar unless the game never got popular at all
@@jblenno because it was so obviously a better Pokémon. Things are called souls of such and such all the time this is not because they copied but because it has SOME similarities.
My buddies kept calling them Pokémon. That was my “I can still see this game getting sued” moment.
Basically Nintendo is patent trolling, they're not aiming to defend a copyright here, but rather to fuck with palworld devs by forcing them to settle & pay royalties for their batshit generic patents.
They're salty it's a success and Pocket Pair had a triumphant underdog story. They only care about the money.
Maybe if they're weren't so ******* lazy about Pokemon, there wouldn't have been any thunder for an indie studio to steal.
They can also just force them out of business by making a long drawn out legal case and make them waste money on legal expenses. Its one of the many shitty things corporations can do
There's nothing troll-y about protecting Pokemon. Pokemon and associated concepts like pokeball are very valuable ideas that they came up with.
@@MrWizardGGI can almost guarantee they stole that from someone.
@@MrWizardGGexcept they didn't.. concepts like monster catching was around for 20 years before Pokemon showed up
Imagine where modern gaming would be if Doom had patented "Shooting aliens from a first person perspective"
I mean…you comment makes no sense…
@@cvl-777
Why? How is this so different than Nintendo's patent for a videogame mechanic about capturing creatures with a spherical object?
@@cvl-777 It does, you just don't understand English
but there are no aliens in doom. have u played the game?
Imagine turn based battles that result in exp gain got patented. If the Nemesis system can be patent someone could have easily patented EXP gain as a whole. Or maybe if someone patented collecting hidden collectables that are hidden across the play area of the game. Patent for an inventory system where you can sort items. Patent for defeating enemies to earn currency, Patent for putting computer chips together to make a small circuit board, Nintendo done before they even got started no more cartridge based video games. Patent for anti piracy measures like a check at the boot of a game that detects whether the game is legit or if it's copied. Patent for using certain button combinations to trigger secret effects(cheat codes). Patent for almost everything in Starcraft/Warcraft, Say goodbye to any and all RTS innovations. What if they patented the side view camera angle for fighting games. No street fighter which means no fighting game innovations, the fighting game genre is now gone and we never knew about it because it was patented.
How many amazing innovative games have we lost because of patent system abuse? We'll never know because they were never allowed to exist.
Nintendo suing every red mushroom with white dots
If Palworld released a DLC to help pay for legal fees that was just an island that contained a bunch of sentient red Ns walking around and I could beat them with sticks, I'd buy it. I'd make a second steam account and then buy it again.
Do that and populate it with caricatures of Shigeru Miyamoto and I’ll buy it and gift it to my friends. 😂
@Jolis_Parsec and then they will sue them again for diffamation,genius plan
@@47slogra Nah, parody clause, Nintendrone. Mald harder. 😏
@@Jolis_Parsec You'd have to make it look SUPER unlike Miyamoto or so horribly vaguely like him in order to let that pass as a sell-able product.
Parody clause doesn't protect you from defamation if the person you're defaming looks exactly or too close like the real person, ESPECIALLY if you're making a profit off their likeness.
Also these are Japanese laws we need to take into account, their laws for parody and the like are a bit different from ours.
Like, granted, you could make ANY Asian-looking character and name him Shigeru Miyamoto and do that, but then that brings in the argument of "you think every Asian looks like Miyamoto? Wow racism" so that one kind of falls a bit flat.
Mans throws "parody clause lul" like a caveman tries throwing a rock at a bird in a really tall tree. Stay mad, slopworld enjoyer.
😂
Look up Nintendo's lawsuit against White Cat Project and you'll see just how PETTY their legal team can be.
Some poor italian kid named luigi is gonna get sued for 14 million
Pocketpair should patent the concept of jumping on enemies to kill them and threatening to let everyone use it for free except for Nintendo unless they drop the case.
Genius
This is actually genius
Knowing how their parent company only produces knock-offs I wouldn't be suprised
It's funny how patents are claimed to protect innovation, so that an artist can feel secured that their creation won't be stolen, and yet all they actually achieve in the modern age is corporations abusing it to stifle competition, thus _preventing_ innovation...
Instead of learning from Palworld and improving their own product in Pokémon, Nintendo would rather out sue the competition, so that they don't exist in the first place.
Classic corporate greed everyone👏
to be fair even when Patents were made Thomas Edison used them to screw over Nikolai Tesla, so theres history in screwing people over
why improve your own product when you can just take out the competition
Capitalism at its finest.
@Smiththebat not capitalism. Patents are entirely goverment enforced so way closer to socialism. Under capitalism the best/least expencive product will win out.
Patents inspire creativity only after they expire. Once the patent for toilet paper expired, you saw several brands make their own toilet paper.
i'd like to point out most of the patents nintendo claims were stolen were only approved last month
Nintendo when they find out drinking coffee gives me a power up. (sued for copyrighted patent infringement)
A lot of people don’t realize that patents expire after 15 to 20 years and you can’t extend them. People think you can extend them, but all it really is is taking the old patent and significantly upgrading a feature on it and then they re-patented it. It’s not an extension. I think at least in the US justice system if Nintendo tries to bring up its object throwing mechanic, even if they patented it in 2021, they’ve been using that since the 90s, which kind of makes the patent invalid. especially if it’s a mechanic that other people were using before they patented it, it can become invalid. Hopefully worst case scenario, is if palworld loses the lawsuit in Japan, they can move their studio over to the US.
They might need to look at console design patent sometimes Nintendo hide some game mechanics into thoses
They used to have a patent for creatures lvl range in an area hidden in a gameboy patent (should be expired now)
im sure there are a lot more mechanics hidden in some nintendo console patents
It’s because it uses JP law (both JP companies) where you can just spam “renew.”
You can definitely extend them and no patent or rights have to expire in 20 years. Just like lord of the rings which will be public in 2050
@@Menemen98 that’s not a patent…
@@AZREDFERN rights and patents are different i know but patents can in fact be extended. Inventions are basically owned.
Nintendo greed. Why are they allowed to patent thousands of game mechanics? It just means no other game developer can make similar games without being threatened with lawsuit
At this point, Treat Nintendo just like how Johnny Silverhand treated Arasaka Tower
Whos that?
@@Dionysos_____Altersit’s time to wake the fuck up samurai
Palworld has not hurt Pokemon at all. Not in sales, not in lost fans, not in anything. Not in anything at all. People defending Nintendo need to realize that. *Nothing has been taken away from them since Palworld's release whatsoever.* But Nintendo is about to take *everything* away from Palworld fans, and nobody can do anything about it. The least you can do is stop licking their boots and realize that the only one doing harm here is Nintendo.
Nintendo did the exact same thing to us roblox pokemon brick bronze players years ago so I feel bad for palword players
@@ech9817 that's why they're suing for patent infringement. Else, they're not victims. Proving that something managed to "harm" the largest media franchise on earth is... impossible
They made Nintendo lose face. That is a crime worse than theft and murder.
@@bishr8590I played Brick Bronze for years so I can confidently say that Brick Bronze is a completely different case, the pokemon sprites in brick bronze are ripped straight out of the original games. Can't really argue against a takedown/lawsuit there.
@@bishr8590as much as i like brick bronze, its completely different. Although it was an original region filled with original characters, its still using nintendo made assets and is profiting from using said assets (gamepasses).
A game called kaiju universe had to go through a major revamp because toho (owners of godzilla) filed a c&d against the devs since some liscensed kaiju are locked behind gamepasses. Although the KU Devs made the model, they are still profiting off these liscensed monsters.
3:08 they've also made a pokemon out of anything and everything so you'd be hard-pressed to design multiple animals/creatures that don't resemble at least one Pokemon
Ive never played palworld but what I can tell you as a life long Pokemon fan is what I said coming into this video “ as long as their not like throwing pokeball like things to catch these they should be fine because none of the sprites are exact copies. “ yea they are throwing spheres at them they are getting sued😭
If Nintendo wins this lawsuit I'm going to get a patent of putting your bicycle in a backpack since apparently you can sue for anything a company did in the past before the patent
So Nintendo is copyrighting a bestiary? A pokedex is just a compendium of creatures. That's nothing new
yeah next they are going to go after biology textbooks.
No a lot of game use bestiary
Half the RPG games I've ever played have had some kind of bestiary mechanic.
Nintendo pure jealous that palworld kicks the ass of all the modern pokemon games. Palword shits all over them.
@@thatoneguychad420 Why would Nintendo be jealous? They don’t own or develop the Pokémon games; Game Freak does
The unfortunate loops gonna be like:
Nintendo being arse -> fans angry and promise that won't play games from them anymore -> Nintendo releases trailers from their games -> people somehow forget and forgive about the past
YUP lmao it’s why I only pirate nintendos games now
There's absolutely nothing wrong with patenting pokemon and pokeballs, and anyone whose enjoyed pokemon or likes capitalism should be fine with copyright protections.
Istg Nintendo fans are some of the most brainless zombies I've ever seen
@@MrWizardGG This. People so up in arms against Nintendo while casually staying ODDLY quiet about the dozens of other big game dev companies doing way worse practices while getting praise from their undying fans. It's just blind hatred for a thing because the last one or two releases of a thing didn't do as well (but still did amazingly in sales and consistent player count).
^Mfs who think they know something but are justifying sweeping accusations against people they never met
Patenting gameplay mechanics is like busting out the Krazy Glue for LEGO bins.
The nemesis system being under patent doesn't even help WB - if it weren't under patent and someone else could utilize the system, people who loved the system in other games would seek out the original. We all know that feeling of falling in love with a piece of media, finishing it, and wanting something just like it.
The patent wasnt even read right in the video, its explains the character throwing any object that interacts with the field character.. so vague it could describe grenades or rocks lol
They’re specifically seeing over “if you throw something at an enemy”
They set up a patent a few weeks after Paleworld came up
wait, you mean to tell me that nintendo couldnt find anything to sue Palworld over so they decided to set up a patent for 'if you throw something at an enemy" so that they would be able to have a means to sue palworld. Basically creating their own means of suing them
As far as I know that patent was made before Palworld. It just took some time to be registered or some shit.
The patent was issued in August. The game came out the following year in January.
@@ssj10tailsyes, funny enough throwing an object to an enemy counts. Now imagine the tons of games with that mechanic.
Nintendo on the way to sue the military for using grenades
throwing an item to catch something has been in Nintendo games since the Gameboy so i don't understand how they could patent that mechanic recently. I thought there are time limits on this kinda of stuff and by now that would have been expired by now.
like he mentioned, they only patented it in 21 and got aproved in 23..
We should watch out. Nintendo might start suing Nintendo for copying Nintendo
Lol that's be hilairious 😂
I'd say it hurt itself in its confusion, but I might get sued for that
I’d actually be shocked if they haven’t by now. Not directly, but those corporate situations where one branch of a corporation sues another branch without realizing they’re both under the same parent company
We can only dream that becomes a trend with greedy companies.
I believe they already did, but I dont remember the specifics.
God reminds me of when Disney sued that family over the spiderman headstone for their dead kid lmao
lol but this makes more sense
god that's evil
also ignore the bots-
@@xsleet2839 not even remotely
@@nakyearns Yes it does, what Palworld did was illegal
Patents on mechanics shouldn’t exist, that’s like patenting oil paint and suing artists that use it
So they have a copyright on spheres? And on hunting? This is going to be tossed out.
Never underestimate the ability of courts to come up with an excuse to side with a big corporation over the little guy. Courts in america tossed out a joycon drift suit because a mom was suing on behalf of her children, and nintendo argued in court that anyone under 18 wasn't actually allowed to use the switch per the license agreement, and the judge agreed, despite the fact that like half of nintendo's money comes from fucking children and parents buying shit on behalf of their children.
they have a copyright on capture balls
@@pegasusrr3156 it's a patent and the patent isn't just spheres either. It's "capture item" so it could be a net or a square or a cardboard box and still be taken to court (in Japan). Nintendo is basically saying they own the entire genre of gacha creature games. Lmao they can absolutely win in Japan which is insane but US has denied them the patent for Nintendo USA.
Here's why you're wrong: Japan.
Remember it is morally correct to pirate a Nintendo games.
100% true. They deserve to not get payed for their work considering how many people they’ve shut down and stolen money from for their work
It is morally correct to pirate any game.
Screw you and your self-imposed moral system, I'm gonna go pirate every single triple A and indie-game on the market.
I bought a modded Wii yesterday lol
** any video game you don't like
Is not only correct, is a duty.
I'm ready for Nintendo to not only lose this case, but also lose the countersuit for damages.
Even if they can't win the case they can just drag out the lawsuit until palworld is completely bankrupt and can't fight back and then they would just win by default
@@kamisama9421 Yep! Bye bye Palworld!!
Something that not many are talking about is that said patent was submitted AFTER Palworld came out. How does Nintendo think they have a case here?!
It would be cool if he explained wtf the nemesis system is
1:22 "Charging their ult" this made me laugh out loud for some reason as I imagined Nintendo's board of directors charging up like Goku's first super saiyan transformation.
It’s these random sayings that keep me watching critical 🤣
The pokemon company lost its creative spark when they stopped making the pokemon ranger and mystery dungeon games
It's hard to love Nintendo when they wield the law like a sword...
more like a flaming bag of poop
Its not a sword of justice, but a sword of greed. Nintendo scks
Easy. Love the games, not the company. Who would love a faceless entity like corporate Nintendo anyways…?
They are the apple of the console world.
They wield the law like a blunderbuss.
I think the most bizarre thing about this lawsuit is that there's a shocking amount of people SUPPORTING Nintendo, saying they hope Palworld loses hard and stuff. And it's not just some brainrotted Twitter incels, that includes a majority of my feed saying how "Palworld is doomed lmao" and some Japanese folks. It's not like it's a small group, it's a pretty sizeable amount of people who really really hate Palworld...who are also ironically the most clueless and say "well they stole designs so lmao" even though that's not what the case is about. We live in an actual dystopia.
I mean the guys at Pocketpair aren't exactly saints
tbf, palworld _did_ outright rip off various designs. Almost to the same extent Nintendo did when they first created a game called "pokemon".
I think the main reason however, is that there are guns and slavery and palworld overall steps away from the mascot-y theme. And (some) people simply don't want that in their comfort food.
@@feha92except Pokemon's "ripoffs" are just that they'd make a crab creature or a bird creature, a Pokemon based on the same animal/yokai as another monster from another franchise. Palworld's ripoffs are basically just them taking Charizard, hue shifting it blue, and saying its a new design.
It's not surprising me that there's nothing but praise from the japanese. Over there publically saying a corpo is bad opens you up for a defamation lawsuit that will actually succeed and leave you destitute. There are certainly japanese fans that support palworld but they cannot publically voice their opinion or else Nintendo will rob them of their home.
@feha92 well they aren't being sued for the designs, they are being sued for a patent that Nintendo created AFTER palworld released
Being able to patent game mechanics is insane. That’s like patenting brush stroke types in art
Nintendo is so feral about suing that they even make sht up that is basically illegal just to sue someone
Of all of Nintendo's lawsuits, suing palworld makes sense.
These bots are crazy 💀
The thing is this patent lawsuit is not illegal because there is no law that says that you cant own a concept, this enters the realm of diluted law and business which is kinda interesting topic imo
I actually feel betrayed by this. I knew they had a lot of lawsuits against people, but I didn’t know it would be over something this petty
Nah
the patent system needs a serious rework. because it’s certainly good for innovation, but it has SO many exploits for major companies to abuse in certain aspects: notably video game mechanic, systems, etc.
Good thing about patents is they only last for 20 years and they are not all encompassing as some people think.
nintendo realized that Palworld beat them in rule 34 posts
“Far fetched” wasn’t a good choice in words when talking about Nintendo
The Concorde jokes never get old, just like the game
This is blatant patent trolling from Nintendo's end.
patenting mechanics is honestly the dumbest thing because it'll get to the point where you can't make anything without being sued because big companies patent everything
Imagine FromSoftware patent estus-like healing flask and all the souls-like games got sued. Why are we living in this timeline.