The stage 20 before ancient in dungeons is wrong.. it may be stage 15. I have gotten blue shards.... magic tower and tbh Ice golem has dropped far more than any other (maybe 5-6), magic tower (2-3) and spider maybe 2.. all under stage 20
We speak as if plarium has any level of interest in making things better for us. Outside of their creative teams, they overall suck Lol but I agree with that idea of an evolving market
The Ancient Shards do drop on earlier stages of the dungeons. I myself picked up some of them during the Pythion fragment fusion. I started at stage 10.
Enjoyed this coverage of the Market and definitely agree it needs a complete and total overhaul. Occasional free items as you guys suggested would be great, and also most definitely champion fragments or even superior potions. Better gear and more blue shards would be great, and even the occasional sacred or much-coveted rare champions. Much thanks to Chosen for crunching the numbers. Maybe you guys could do another collab soon about the Clan Shop. Take Care.
Here's an experiment that I've tried. They sell 3 ancients for 270 gems. When it's Ancient turnover time in the market and the 1st shard shows up. I immediately do the 5 gem refresh. Soon after I get an ancient shard. So I continue to do this till I get 3 ancient shards. I've done this several times to check the odds. My find is usually between 150- 200 gems you get the same three ancient shards that you buy in the gem shop at 270 gems. I don't guarantee the results but for the most part it works for me. In the long run you do save gems. And if their is a summoning event good time to cash in.
The ancient shards definitely drop below stage 20 in dungeons. I want to say I've gotten some at 10? Maybe 12...but definitely under 20. I just can't remember numbers.
The only other thing I buy in the market, other than the shards, are when there are common champs for 6,000 silver. It's only 1,000 more than the mystery shards, and it gives me some of the food I need without having to use too many mystery shards, helping me build up my mystery shards for when I need the points during Champ Chases or a Summon Rush.
Not sure if I'm doing it wrong, but I buy 2*s to level up. I only get 1*s from mystery shards and I feed them all to each other to make 2 stars then I run 2 and above on 12-3 to level up. As for the shop. I wish they would 1 stop the stupid "are you sure" popup when buying 2*. (This also applies to the tavern I think after the 1st hundred if not 1000 times we no longer need the warning) I would offer void 3* with a chance for coldheart/bellower. (I literally pulled my 1st bellower the other day) I also would scale the market to your level. After a certain point I feel like you shouldn't see below 5* gear. And good gear at that. I can deal with blue gear. But nothing below that. We already have to deal with trash flat rolls why do we have to deal with useless gear? I also feel like all leveling gear should be offered ie potions. And mastery scrolls only higher level scrolls. Really everything honestly.
I am not at level 20 with any dungeons. But, I get lucky every few months and get ancient shards around lvl 13 or so. I used mystery shards for 1000 points when getting Pythion.
First thing I had grab my attention was that at the 6:38 point I can with 100% certainly debunk Chosen's statement of Ancients only dropping at stage 20 of dungeons. I get them at stage 14/15 routinely in all dungeons.
Being still relatively new to the game, I find myself oscillating between two states: A) Absolutely swimming in shards and utterly maxed out space for champions B) So sorely lacking food I'm buying 2-star champions from the marketplace alongside the shards So when I look at 8000 shards just sitting there I'm simultaneously struck by panic and ease. Thanks Raid.
@@derekbaker4763 That's crazy! How do you work through them that fast? Do you eventually just feed 2-stars to other 2-stars to upgrade their levels after you run out of energy?
@@Asrahn Don't know if it's the most effective, but I take my 4* unlevelled food and feed them. That way I'm not constantly changing the champ and wasting time. Got me like 7 or 8 5* food out of it. I'm at the point where I don't use the shards except for my 3 a day, but I still buy them 100%. 2600 of them got me Pythion as I only had a handful of bigger shards. Non-spender (now).
@82Heniu82 yeah there are rough. I quit spending money on the game like 3 years ago. I refuse to give money to a game company that won't fix prices for items bcuz they are all very over priced, the rng on the over priced items(shards,gear,etc) is absolutely awful at best, and keep bringing out "new" content that's only about money. Plarium is by far the worst game company I've ever dealt with about prices and rng.
Yeah I don't know how much of this video I believe other than the market cap is 5 ancients a month. Just like the advice of not unlocking the market just to get ancients, needing all the mysteries you should unlock it as well to get mysteries. Not before gem mine, starter masteries, but soon after if you plan on being a forever player. I'd forgotten the refresh even existed and ran 800 gems through campaign just to get enough greens to finish pythion. Doubt anyone will read this, but you can get ancients .5% of the time in EVERY dungeon (of the original 4 PLUS potion keeps, just not mino/twins/sands), and you STOP getting mysteries at level 17 dungeons (and stop getting brews at 16 as well). I am aware of the 5 per month in market as I get them within 2-3 days on both of my accounts. As far as the per dungeon I would need more than Chosen's word due to what I consider wrong advice in all the above statements I made. To reiterate: you can buy 100s of mystery shards a month, you can buy 5 ancients. Unlocking the market gives you access to champs for champ chase you need, and mystery shards you need for champ chase and summon rush. With limited inventory space that scales high after 100 main 40-40 vaults, this is a no-brainer, and you should buy them. Back to back f2p fusions, btw, on newish account.
Good call out on using mystery shards for summon rush. For pythion I pulled 2 sacred shards and 1,150 mystery shards to get the 5 fragments I needed. Leveled up a bunch of rare champs at the same time.
I did the same. But I cracked about 4,000. It was very tedious, but champ training was running at the same time. That's the other time I think a stash of mystery shards can help. I just fed the drops into each other, ended up with about 5x5* food, so ended up getting the summon fragments, and an extra 5 plus a relentless set for winning the champ training tournament.
Spin the wheel feature for the market. You select the rewards you desire from a pool that has varying rarities(rare books, sacred shards, 500 gems, etc.). Then you get one free spin per day for a reward(optional: spend "x" amount of gems/silver for additional spins), as long as plarium doesn't stiff us on the optional rewards/chance for receiving good rewards .
A couple things to add to the market (note I am being very generous on the pricing) Item : Silver Rare books : 250k Rank charm : 200k Rarity charm: 100k Greater acension pots (any affinity) : 200k (don't know a good price for this one) Can add more...
I get ancient shards in level 10 of the dungeons. More often in ice than in fire and dragon and haven't gotten any in spider, been playing for 36 days.
I'd like to see a universal fragment so we might be able to complete 2-year-old fusions that sit on our account mocking us. My big fear sitting here at 95 Python fragments is they'll pull the same crap trick with giving us a huge artifact goal like they did on the summons and force us to pull out a credit card or write off all the time and money we've already invested to get to the brink. For every 50 levels we reach they could up the gear 1 star or a rarity level. I don't save rank 4 gear so how is 1-3 relevant to anyone past very early game?
There's one thing and one thing only I want to see in the shop and that's Krisk the Ageless for 49K. On a serious note, I agree with pretty much everyone in the comments but I wanna mention one thing that one one talked about and it's multi battles, they are so convenient when you just want to leave the PC on and farm stuff, I would love to see multi battles pop up in the shop
I will say a couple of things: 1. I know Ancient shards to be dropping from stage 16's on dungeons, because I farmed stage 16 dungeons for like 1 year and I have seen a couple of ancients coming to me in the Multi-battle result screens, which was quite good, otherwise I would've never been able to do Fragments. 2. As for the Market, I hope Raid does a, as Chosen and everyone is saying, a 2.0 Market, where it is possible to get Uncommon-Legendary ? Star-ranked gear depending on which highest stage you are able to beat, but no Accessories. The no Accessories part is because otherwise no would learn to love Spider. Spider is sooo useful and the importance or Accessories a lot of times, for newer players, gets so underrated or misunderstood. They should also include Champion fragments, at least Epics and Rares, so I can get More of that Broadmaw and Relickeeper champ for CvC. The same for Bazaar, BUT WITH A 3V3 PATCH. A good 3v3 patch with good bazaar. Same idea for Bazaar. 3. These collabs are super fun to watch. 4. Also, they should include a Merchant (Free version of the Pack Selector, available for all, unlocks at lvl 30, at least any 2 dungeon stage 10, 1 maxed champ): Someone who you can tell to bring certain items, (3 items at max, per week, 500 gems unlock and per upgrade, 5 upgrades ranging from slot unlock to Less time per refresh), including Artifacts of Dungeons only (silver), Shards limited to Voids, Fragments Leggo, Epic and Rare (fusion champs excluded, silver+gems), Tomes Leggo-Rare (Leggo tome refresh per 2-3 weeks, silver+gems), Potions (all variety regardless of any condition, only paid in silvers), Soul tokens (silver+gems). 5. Please buff Taunt set!!!!
In order of Importance of what I would like to see appear in the market. 1. Books 2. Chickens 3. Voids 4. Sacreds 5. Better Gear 6. Summon Fragments 7. The Rare Rhazin Fusion Champs (The ones that you can't farm from Campaign)
The shards do drop on lower levels, but it's really rare. I think I got just a few before moving beyond 13. From Spider 13 I already have gotten plenty of Ancient shards. Remarkably more so than any earlier stage.
As much as I highly disagree with the price point - Plarium is actually consistent that a sacred is worth 25x a single ancient. And that a void is roughly 6 times as much (I feel like that has a little more flux) so it would actually make sense if once a month and say 3 times per month you could see a sacred and voids for 5 million silver and 1.2 million silver per. Which - I actually would not put past them because F2P players can't really turn it down if they have it, and can potentially drain silver they need for fusions between shard pulls, leveling and most importantly - the damned artifact enhancement events. It could even prompt some to burn energy trying to get there - further impacting ability to complete fusions. Cause that seems to be what they are about these days.
I have a question about Ancients from Dungeons. At 6:45 you guys talk about there being a cap of 5 Ancients per month from Dungeons. Is that 5 from ALL dungeons or is that 5 per dungeon? I'm curious because this is the first I've heard about Ancients being capped from dungeons. The 5 per month from the Market cap I knew about forever ago.
Just a fyi, I started getting ancients by level 9 dungeons. As for the market, I agree with many that it should level up as you progress through the game.
It’s raid, so you have to monetize shop upgrades…have ‘premium’ slots, unlockable via gems, then have gem and high silver cost items. Lego 5 and six star gear, frags, shards and yea, books/pages
I got my first ancient shard from lvl 10 Ice Golem (around that lvl), so they drop at a lower lvl than lvl 20 dung. If I had a voice in developing the market place I would add things like: Skill Books (leggo 1, epic 5, rare 10 per month) More shards (Sacred 1, Void 3 or 5, ancient 5 or 10 per month) Exp multiplier More and better gear Potions You probably get my point, just add every item basicly that we use in the game and cap the big tickets monthly, as they already does with ancient shards... I am a fairly new player, just got dark elhain as login reward and close to f2p (I buy monthly gem and occasionaly a few energy offers from time to time) and realy recommend new players to unlock the market. Doesn't cost that much and as a new player you need to pull good champions so being able to buy like 10 mystery shards per day extra is kinda huge! I've pulled like 2 out of 5 apothecarys from mystery shards, elhain, athel and frozen banshee is also pulled from mystery shards on my account. I usualy buy 2* food there aswell during events, cvc or if I am lvling a new champ as fast as I can do. Just my 10 cents on the subject! Gota say Ash, I whatch alot of your vids when I have the time to, learned alot from them... So I guess, thank you Mr. is in order :) *DISCLAIMER: **English is my third language, if you have a problem reading it, shut it.**
I stated as much on HH's channel a while back but my ideal shop would have different sellers (the number would match the Alliances), playing with champions from each alliance would improve your loyalty with said seller. These loyalty points could then be used to discount sell prices (not a permanent discount, you could save up for a "decent discount" on a specific item or spread them across multiple items for a small one - they are also capped as an anti whale precaution). The loyalty points would also open up higher tiers of products, where the highest tier involves a quest such as bring me a level 5 ring, x amount of forge materials and slay UDK 5 times because he's f**king annoying.
I think being interactive for Legendary fragments for a new hero... Call it like Hermes/Mercurius the Market God, low stats overall (like can't even farm 12-3 solo) but when added to a team, you get a 10% boost in all silver from that team, or the mine produces an extra gem a day when you summon him from fragments. Also they should have a mid-end game slot that is unlockable for soulstones, fragments, shards, etc.
Anything you can acquire at any point in the game (level dependant) should be up for grabs in the market. If they can make the daily rewards level dependant, they can do the same thing here. It’s annoying to be a level 90+ and only have common and uncommon literal crap in there. As you said, add shards, fragments, potions, glyphs, arena tokens, blah blah.
I think they should include a chance of the rares needed for the mission fusions (that can't be farmed) to show up there. I've been stuck trying to pull one stupid rare to finish the Rhazin fusion for almost 2 years now and I'm thinking I'll never get it. Having another chance (even if it's small) to see it in the market would be nice. But honestly just about anything they add to the market would be an improvement. The only thing I ever buy out of it is the ancient/mystery shards. It's a bit useful sometimes in the very early game if you happen to get a good pair of speed boots that show up, but otherwise... useless.
Imagine when you faming dungeons you can only sell a crap piece of gear for 20K silver and the market be offering a worse piece of gear for 100K plarium needs to do better
An alternate perspective: I'm new to the game (in my first month) and enjoy it more than I expected. I am not truly F2P, but frugal. I like to pay companies something for making a good game, so I've bought a couple $3 mini-packs as my nod to the game developers and will continue to do that over time. As a new player, the market has been great. In addition to the shards, there are certain common and uncommon champs (sister militant, armiger, zephyr sniper, etc) that are really useful to me. I use sister militant as my go-to for leveling 5-star champions to 6, and I'd like to level one up for the sake of it at some point. Armiger, I've only received through the market so far, and each additional Armiger is effectively a rare book. Finally, for artifacts, I look for Uncommon and higher "gems", like speed with speed, crit rate with crit rate, accuracy with accuracy, etc as a stat, which saves me a lot of silver over blindly upgrading artifacts, since I spend the majority of my time in 12-3 normal leveling my initial champs for arena, dungeons, and better leveling.
Thank you for the info! Didn't realize the dungeons have a limit as well. Is that 5 for all dungeons or 5 for each dungeon? Does the clan boss have the same call as well?
I got an ancient shard from Dragon's lair the other day at stage 9 on my newly started account (started over). I was grinding this level because it was the highest level possible for me right now on auto and have so for a couple of hundred turns have and have received 1 of these bad boys
They seem to place high value on items not currently available in the market. To give players value without devaluing these items, they could include them as fragments. Things like Rare and Epic books, Sacred and Void shards. They could include glyphs and forge ingredients. They could also include Champion fragments, various keys, and chests. Further, they could create different tabs in the market, like market stalls, where each tab only features a certain kind of items. One for equipment, one for champions (shards and fragments too) and another for miscellany.
The dungeon cap isn't correct, during the Gnishak fusion I got I believe 18 ancient shards from Ice Golem. I didn't record it with screenshots so have no proof but know I ended with 20+ more ancient shards total from the dungeons during that fusion. Next time I do 3k+ energy in a dungeon I'll take a screenshot of before and after to verify.
i bought the last market spots quite early, and i guess i would do it again ;) I think in the beginning the market isn't that crap, at least i needed it to get my monk and book him (maybe this also count for the shield guard). Getting a few green shards extra isn't bad either especially at the start, and maybe you find valuable speed boots there for the start too. The total cost of those slots isn't that huge, and if you are going to them later when you see ancient, why not getting them while they still have value.
Sick into song!! “You’re old” 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I couldn’t stop laughing. The conversations are always so entertaining. This community of content creators is unheard of in other games. Thank you Ash and Chosen for putting out content for us Raiders.
thanks guys for the info , i strongly beleive that the drop rate should be shown . it empowering to know that you had a 1% chance to get it and got 2 in a row
They should have a little bit of everything in the shop, but like the Ancient Shards are Capped maybe other stuff could run off the same type of mechanic!
If they changed the Market, I'd like to see fusion shards. 1-3 fragments for a Fragment Summon you have in the Summoning Portal. It's based on your account and cost X silver. You have to have atleast 1 fragment of given champ
The market should expand different types of items you can purchase as your player level grows just like other areas of the game unlock as your player level grows (for example, player level 40 unlocks auto artifact level up upgrade) then they could offer a chance to buy treasure chests that have random goodies in them, depending on your player level it depends on what you may pull from the treasure chests. Just an idea.
Great video. As a previous Madden Ultimate Team player, I had an obsession for opening packs and kept track of my pull rates for various overalls from each pack. I have not started to track shard pull rates or where I get them from the most. I do want to mention that I did pull an Ancient shard from stage 14 of the Magic Keep today (yes, I unlocked it like an idiot).
PS - what if there was an object in the store titled "build your own artifact". This thing would be super super rare but would allow the user the opportunity to build their own 6* artifact (rarities could vary).
The market use currently Buying 2 stars can help during champ trianing. When you buy a mystery shard you get your 5k silver back from the quest. Ancient shards. Changes they should make They should reduce the cost of artifacts slightly and boost the chance of the desierable stats and only drop % gear on the bottom row after level 40. Sacreds are at a .30% chance 1 a month 5mil silver. Add in 3 star champs get rid of the 1 stars. Adding a energy refill at a .50% droprate for 100k silver wouldnt be too bad I'm not sure on that one.
I had to pull 1300 mystery shards to get Pythion! Used over 2000 to get the 15 shards from summon rush to get Helicath. Great reason to spend the silver, I usually bye everyone that pops up!
Champion frags would be good, oil, mortal soul coins, forge mats, energy, potions... There are many things which could be useful, whereas most of the crap in there now isn't. Like some gear in there would be good for a beginning account, but that same beginning account would never have enough silver to even be able to purchase the gear! Once you start having enough silver to get the gear in there, it is already obsolete. Even as later game, I am still often silver-poor. I spend it all trying to upgrade gear only to find out it's crap and turn around and sell it. Also, for the daily quest I do refresh the market if there aren't any mystery shards in there. I'm not about to pay 60k silver for a 2star champ or a 3star piece of crap gear. Even 8k is too much for a 1star champ.
i know this was released a while ago but I would have the market more level based with a larger loot pool, for instance a 5% chance for a legendary at level 100 while if your level 40 you have like 5-10% chance to pull epics or shards/fragments of that levell
I think market should be upgraded as you level up as well as the forge(I mean when you upgrade artifacts it would be a higher chance of leveling it. For example to level 16 upgrade chance should be upgraded from minimal to very likely or something like that) So back to the market.. I think it would be cool if players could interact more.. so if you could put an artifact you own up to the market and some other players could buy it from your clan maybe or even outside of clan
On my FTP account I pulled 300+ mystery shards to finish off my summon tournament earlier in the pythion fusion event. So they definitely have value in bulk.
I haven't reached 20 in any dungeon but have picked up more then a few in the less then 3 months I've been playing. Noticed them pop up over the past week in marketplace
I found a 5 star legendary speed shield with speed substat, no flat stats for 600k YESTERDAY! Don’t sleep on the market. Once in a blue moon the rng will fall in your favor!!!
My new start account is not clearing anything past stage 12 of dungeons at the moment and I have seen at least 2 ancient shard rewards when manually clicking repeat battles
I opened over 700 mystery shards during the Pythion event to reach the very high point level they set for 15 Pythion fragments. It was really tedious, but it did work.
I’d add rare champions, maybe even epics, 6 star gear, maybe some of the doom tower gear, at least some rare books and epic books. I’d also like to see a faster way to go through all the champions from mystery shards. Like a way to “assign” a champion to feed and every mystery. Shard I open goes right to the “selected” champion.
Market revamp - fragments is interesting but would never happen, sadly. Items for sale should scale with account. Items for higher levels should offer higher level items. Buying energy would be a bonus...I would like to see chests to buy and random stuff is inside - RNG - for interesting items, jewelry, etc
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Yes, this would make total sense to add things like 3 & 4 star turkeys, rare and void books, even small gem packs. If a 19 pack of gems gets me to the 900 needed for the shard pack, I'd pay 100k or 150k to get it. This would keep the market more active then just looking for shards.
aside from the obvious (books, void & sacred shards, gear scaled to your level) i would like to see the market become a store front for all the markets in the game so the clan shop, bazaar etc can all be accessed in one place. don't see any reason to make us flick through all the menus every time.
I would like it if the razin fusion rare champions occasionally showed up in the market. A few hundred K silver for the last rare I just can't seem to pull would be a steal if it meant fusing Razin. Also, I think if you have say 50+ shards for a fusion champion that's not available in doom tower or clan shop, etc., like Pythion or Helicath or whoever, it would be great if the market had a small chance of having 1 shard to buy, and eventually over a long period of time you could actually finish the fusion, and then the shards stopped showing up after that champion was fused. So if say I've got 55 Pythion fragments, 60 Helicath, 85 Versulf, and 70 Verminlord fragments, if once a week I was able to buy one shard for each of those champions, yeah it'd take literally months before I finished fusing those champions, but at least the fragments I already have don't go to waste and just sit there doing nothing.
my suggestions for market fix add 2 voids shards per month like the ancients, occasionally there should pop rares there and about once per month a random epic. and lastly the gear they sell should be improved or....... even better like the hell hades dream patch video!! but that is highly unlikely
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The stage 20 before ancient in dungeons is wrong.. it may be stage 15. I have gotten blue shards.... magic tower and tbh Ice golem has dropped far more than any other (maybe 5-6), magic tower (2-3) and spider maybe 2.. all under stage 20
20m silver = 1 sacred and I want better items to buy.
Maybe the market should evolve as you level up so the items are more appropriate for your level.
This is exactly what should happen. I don’t need a 2 star pair of gloves at level 60. This would be an easy update.
We speak as if plarium has any level of interest in making things better for us. Outside of their creative teams, they overall suck Lol but I agree with that idea of an evolving market
HH has been saying this for years
Half a million silver for green 4 star boots. That is all. But they release 20 new champs every month. Think about that 🤔
@andrew davis yes he has and if more of us speak up it might become a reality.
The Ancient Shards do drop on earlier stages of the dungeons. I myself picked up some of them during the Pythion fragment fusion. I started at stage 10.
Yup, that shouldnt even be a question they make, it is literally in the drop list lol,
Enjoyed this coverage of the Market and definitely agree it needs a complete and total overhaul. Occasional free items as you guys suggested would be great, and also most definitely champion fragments or even superior potions. Better gear and more blue shards would be great, and even the occasional sacred or much-coveted rare champions. Much thanks to Chosen for crunching the numbers. Maybe you guys could do another collab soon about the Clan Shop. Take Care.
Thank you for watching Damon!
Here's an experiment that I've tried. They sell 3 ancients for 270 gems. When it's Ancient turnover time in the market and the 1st shard shows up. I immediately do the 5 gem refresh. Soon after I get an ancient shard. So I continue to do this till I get 3 ancient shards. I've done this several times to check the odds. My find is usually between 150- 200 gems you get the same three ancient shards that you buy in the gem shop at 270 gems. I don't guarantee the results but for the most part it works for me. In the long run you do save gems. And if their is a summoning event good time to cash in.
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Literally pulled Apothecary from a Mystery Shard last night lol
The ancient shards definitely drop below stage 20 in dungeons. I want to say I've gotten some at 10? Maybe 12...but definitely under 20. I just can't remember numbers.
The only other thing I buy in the market, other than the shards, are when there are common champs for 6,000 silver. It's only 1,000 more than the mystery shards, and it gives me some of the food I need without having to use too many mystery shards, helping me build up my mystery shards for when I need the points during Champ Chases or a Summon Rush.
It's only 500 more considering the cost to open the shard too.
that's a great idea 💡
Not sure if I'm doing it wrong, but I buy 2*s to level up. I only get 1*s from mystery shards and I feed them all to each other to make 2 stars then I run 2 and above on 12-3 to level up.
As for the shop. I wish they would 1 stop the stupid "are you sure" popup when buying 2*. (This also applies to the tavern I think after the 1st hundred if not 1000 times we no longer need the warning)
I would offer void 3* with a chance for coldheart/bellower. (I literally pulled my 1st bellower the other day)
I also would scale the market to your level. After a certain point I feel like you shouldn't see below 5* gear. And good gear at that. I can deal with blue gear. But nothing below that. We already have to deal with trash flat rolls why do we have to deal with useless gear? I also feel like all leveling gear should be offered ie potions. And mastery scrolls only higher level scrolls.
Really everything honestly.
I am not at level 20 with any dungeons. But, I get lucky every few months and get ancient shards around lvl 13 or so.
I used mystery shards for 1000 points when getting Pythion.
First thing I had grab my attention was that at the 6:38 point I can with 100% certainly debunk Chosen's statement of Ancients only dropping at stage 20 of dungeons. I get them at stage 14/15 routinely in all dungeons.
Being still relatively new to the game, I find myself oscillating between two states:
A) Absolutely swimming in shards and utterly maxed out space for champions
B) So sorely lacking food I'm buying 2-star champions from the marketplace alongside the shards
So when I look at 8000 shards just sitting there I'm simultaneously struck by panic and ease. Thanks Raid.
They can go down fast during a champion training event of you're going for the top spot. I've went thru 10,000+ common shards during an event before.
@@derekbaker4763 That's crazy! How do you work through them that fast? Do you eventually just feed 2-stars to other 2-stars to upgrade their levels after you run out of energy?
@@derekbaker4763 I hear you I burned through 3k of commons with easy. Not even noticed now I have like 10 left events are mad when you f2p.
@@Asrahn Don't know if it's the most effective, but I take my 4* unlevelled food and feed them. That way I'm not constantly changing the champ and wasting time. Got me like 7 or 8 5* food out of it. I'm at the point where I don't use the shards except for my 3 a day, but I still buy them 100%. 2600 of them got me Pythion as I only had a handful of bigger shards. Non-spender (now).
@82Heniu82 yeah there are rough. I quit spending money on the game like 3 years ago. I refuse to give money to a game company that won't fix prices for items bcuz they are all very over priced, the rng on the over priced items(shards,gear,etc) is absolutely awful at best, and keep bringing out "new" content that's only about money. Plarium is by far the worst game company I've ever dealt with about prices and rng.
i got 5 ancients from the market in 3 days last month and since then: nada.
makes sense now, thx
Yeah I don't know how much of this video I believe other than the market cap is 5 ancients a month. Just like the advice of not unlocking the market just to get ancients, needing all the mysteries you should unlock it as well to get mysteries. Not before gem mine, starter masteries, but soon after if you plan on being a forever player. I'd forgotten the refresh even existed and ran 800 gems through campaign just to get enough greens to finish pythion. Doubt anyone will read this, but you can get ancients .5% of the time in EVERY dungeon (of the original 4 PLUS potion keeps, just not mino/twins/sands), and you STOP getting mysteries at level 17 dungeons (and stop getting brews at 16 as well). I am aware of the 5 per month in market as I get them within 2-3 days on both of my accounts. As far as the per dungeon I would need more than Chosen's word due to what I consider wrong advice in all the above statements I made. To reiterate: you can buy 100s of mystery shards a month, you can buy 5 ancients. Unlocking the market gives you access to champs for champ chase you need, and mystery shards you need for champ chase and summon rush. With limited inventory space that scales high after 100 main 40-40 vaults, this is a no-brainer, and you should buy them. Back to back f2p fusions, btw, on newish account.
Good call out on using mystery shards for summon rush. For pythion I pulled 2 sacred shards and 1,150 mystery shards to get the 5 fragments I needed. Leveled up a bunch of rare champs at the same time.
I did the same. But I cracked about 4,000. It was very tedious, but champ training was running at the same time. That's the other time I think a stash of mystery shards can help. I just fed the drops into each other, ended up with about 5x5* food, so ended up getting the summon fragments, and an extra 5 plus a relentless set for winning the champ training tournament.
8:01 that is actually how i got my apothecary. It was from a mystery shard and i never got one from an ancient
Spin the wheel feature for the market. You select the rewards you desire from a pool that has varying rarities(rare books, sacred shards, 500 gems, etc.).
Then you get one free spin per day for a reward(optional: spend "x" amount of gems/silver for additional spins), as long as plarium doesn't stiff us on the optional rewards/chance for receiving good rewards .
A couple things to add to the market (note I am being very generous on the pricing)
Item : Silver
Rare books : 250k
Rank charm : 200k
Rarity charm: 100k
Greater acension pots (any affinity) : 200k (don't know a good price for this one)
Can add more...
I get ancient shards in level 10 of the dungeons. More often in ice than in fire and dragon and haven't gotten any in spider, been playing for 36 days.
i have got them from lvl 13 as well
I'd like to see a universal fragment so we might be able to complete 2-year-old fusions that sit on our account mocking us. My big fear sitting here at 95 Python fragments is they'll pull the same crap trick with giving us a huge artifact goal like they did on the summons and force us to pull out a credit card or write off all the time and money we've already invested to get to the brink. For every 50 levels we reach they could up the gear 1 star or a rarity level. I don't save rank 4 gear so how is 1-3 relevant to anyone past very early game?
didnt know about the limit of 5.. good to know. Iv gotten 2 ancients once before and thought that was really lucky
There's one thing and one thing only I want to see in the shop and that's Krisk the Ageless for 49K. On a serious note, I agree with pretty much everyone in the comments but I wanna mention one thing that one one talked about and it's multi battles, they are so convenient when you just want to leave the PC on and farm stuff, I would love to see multi battles pop up in the shop
That pause on Chosen's face, when you told him you refreshed the market 7x was gold LOL 5:36-5:43
I will say a couple of things:
1. I know Ancient shards to be dropping from stage 16's on dungeons, because I farmed stage 16 dungeons for like 1 year and I have seen a couple of ancients coming to me in the Multi-battle result screens, which was quite good, otherwise I would've never been able to do Fragments.
2. As for the Market, I hope Raid does a, as Chosen and everyone is saying, a 2.0 Market, where it is possible to get Uncommon-Legendary ? Star-ranked gear depending on which highest stage you are able to beat, but no Accessories. The no Accessories part is because otherwise no would learn to love Spider. Spider is sooo useful and the importance or Accessories a lot of times, for newer players, gets so underrated or misunderstood. They should also include Champion fragments, at least Epics and Rares, so I can get More of that Broadmaw and Relickeeper champ for CvC. The same for Bazaar, BUT WITH A 3V3 PATCH. A good 3v3 patch with good bazaar. Same idea for Bazaar.
3. These collabs are super fun to watch.
4. Also, they should include a Merchant (Free version of the Pack Selector, available for all, unlocks at lvl 30, at least any 2 dungeon stage 10, 1 maxed champ): Someone who you can tell to bring certain items, (3 items at max, per week, 500 gems unlock and per upgrade, 5 upgrades ranging from slot unlock to Less time per refresh), including Artifacts of Dungeons only (silver), Shards limited to Voids, Fragments Leggo, Epic and Rare (fusion champs excluded, silver+gems), Tomes Leggo-Rare (Leggo tome refresh per 2-3 weeks, silver+gems), Potions (all variety regardless of any condition, only paid in silvers), Soul tokens (silver+gems).
5. Please buff Taunt set!!!!
In order of Importance of what I would like to see appear in the market.
1. Books
2. Chickens
3. Voids
4. Sacreds
5. Better Gear
6. Summon Fragments
7. The Rare Rhazin Fusion Champs (The ones that you can't farm from Campaign)
The shards do drop on lower levels, but it's really rare. I think I got just a few before moving beyond 13. From Spider 13 I already have gotten plenty of Ancient shards. Remarkably more so than any earlier stage.
Yep I was about to post this as well. I have had them drop on probably all the original dungeons below 20.
Items I’d like to see in the shop are XP brews, skill books, and glyphs.
As much as I highly disagree with the price point - Plarium is actually consistent that a sacred is worth 25x a single ancient. And that a void is roughly 6 times as much (I feel like that has a little more flux) so it would actually make sense if once a month and say 3 times per month you could see a sacred and voids for 5 million silver and 1.2 million silver per. Which - I actually would not put past them because F2P players can't really turn it down if they have it, and can potentially drain silver they need for fusions between shard pulls, leveling and most importantly - the damned artifact enhancement events. It could even prompt some to burn energy trying to get there - further impacting ability to complete fusions. Cause that seems to be what they are about these days.
Good point. I was just looking at all my champions that I have fragments for and their events are long over
@Ash_raid is this real?
I have a question about Ancients from Dungeons. At 6:45 you guys talk about there being a cap of 5 Ancients per month from Dungeons. Is that 5 from ALL dungeons or is that 5 per dungeon? I'm curious because this is the first I've heard about Ancients being capped from dungeons. The 5 per month from the Market cap I knew about forever ago.
Just a fyi, I started getting ancients by level 9 dungeons.
As for the market, I agree with many that it should level up as you progress through the game.
I've pulled ancient shards from dungeons well before stage 20
It’s raid, so you have to monetize shop upgrades…have ‘premium’ slots, unlockable via gems, then have gem and high silver cost items. Lego 5 and six star gear, frags, shards and yea, books/pages
I got my first ancient shard from lvl 10 Ice Golem (around that lvl), so they drop at a lower lvl than lvl 20 dung.
If I had a voice in developing the market place I would add things like:
Skill Books (leggo 1, epic 5, rare 10 per month)
More shards (Sacred 1, Void 3 or 5, ancient 5 or 10 per month)
Exp multiplier
More and better gear
Potions
You probably get my point, just add every item basicly that we use in the game and cap the big tickets monthly, as they already does with ancient shards...
I am a fairly new player, just got dark elhain as login reward and close to f2p (I buy monthly gem and occasionaly a few energy offers from time to time) and realy recommend new players to unlock the market. Doesn't cost that much and as a new player you need to pull good champions so being able to buy like 10 mystery shards per day extra is kinda huge! I've pulled like 2 out of 5 apothecarys from mystery shards, elhain, athel and frozen banshee is also pulled from mystery shards on my account. I usualy buy 2* food there aswell during events, cvc or if I am lvling a new champ as fast as I can do.
Just my 10 cents on the subject! Gota say Ash, I whatch alot of your vids when I have the time to, learned alot from them... So I guess, thank you Mr. is in order :)
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Books, rare or higher champs, glyphs, more shards, higher tier gear would be nice
I stated as much on HH's channel a while back but my ideal shop would have different sellers (the number would match the Alliances), playing with champions from each alliance would improve your loyalty with said seller. These loyalty points could then be used to discount sell prices (not a permanent discount, you could save up for a "decent discount" on a specific item or spread them across multiple items for a small one - they are also capped as an anti whale precaution).
The loyalty points would also open up higher tiers of products, where the highest tier involves a quest such as bring me a level 5 ring, x amount of forge materials and slay UDK 5 times because he's f**king annoying.
They could make the market so cool. Put voids, soul stones, good gear, potions.
I think being interactive for Legendary fragments for a new hero... Call it like Hermes/Mercurius the Market God, low stats overall (like can't even farm 12-3 solo) but when added to a team, you get a 10% boost in all silver from that team, or the mine produces an extra gem a day when you summon him from fragments.
Also they should have a mid-end game slot that is unlockable for soulstones, fragments, shards, etc.
ive gotten an ancient shard from a dungeon once.
But im not up to ANY of the 20 stages for any dungeons.
Anything you can acquire at any point in the game (level dependant) should be up for grabs in the market. If they can make the daily rewards level dependant, they can do the same thing here. It’s annoying to be a level 90+ and only have common and uncommon literal crap in there. As you said, add shards, fragments, potions, glyphs, arena tokens, blah blah.
The market needs to scale with your account and there needs to be 1 market. So, combine all markets into one place.
I think they should include a chance of the rares needed for the mission fusions (that can't be farmed) to show up there. I've been stuck trying to pull one stupid rare to finish the Rhazin fusion for almost 2 years now and I'm thinking I'll never get it. Having another chance (even if it's small) to see it in the market would be nice.
But honestly just about anything they add to the market would be an improvement. The only thing I ever buy out of it is the ancient/mystery shards. It's a bit useful sometimes in the very early game if you happen to get a good pair of speed boots that show up, but otherwise... useless.
I would rather see books, shards, glyphs etc in the market, I never buy champs or artifacts from the market.
Sometimes there are 5 star artifacts with good stats, definitely worth picking up unless you're endgame
@@manynukes11 Isnt worth it cause you spend way more silver than its worth and it can still roll poorly
Who does that 😂
Imagine when you faming dungeons you can only sell a crap piece of gear for 20K silver and the market be offering a worse piece of gear for 100K plarium needs to do better
yes, i agree on adding fragment to market i have several champions that i have problems with getting fragment for them.
@Ash_raid wait is this really ash????
An alternate perspective: I'm new to the game (in my first month) and enjoy it more than I expected. I am not truly F2P, but frugal. I like to pay companies something for making a good game, so I've bought a couple $3 mini-packs as my nod to the game developers and will continue to do that over time.
As a new player, the market has been great. In addition to the shards, there are certain common and uncommon champs (sister militant, armiger, zephyr sniper, etc) that are really useful to me. I use sister militant as my go-to for leveling 5-star champions to 6, and I'd like to level one up for the sake of it at some point. Armiger, I've only received through the market so far, and each additional Armiger is effectively a rare book. Finally, for artifacts, I look for Uncommon and higher "gems", like speed with speed, crit rate with crit rate, accuracy with accuracy, etc as a stat, which saves me a lot of silver over blindly upgrading artifacts, since I spend the majority of my time in 12-3 normal leveling my initial champs for arena, dungeons, and better leveling.
Ash missed the Athel he pulled from mystery shards at 09:19 and was more focused on armiger 🤣
Thank you for the info! Didn't realize the dungeons have a limit as well. Is that 5 for all dungeons or 5 for each dungeon? Does the clan boss have the same call as well?
I got an ancient shard from Dragon's lair the other day at stage 9 on my newly started account (started over). I was grinding this level because it was the highest level possible for me right now on auto and have so for a couple of hundred turns have and have received 1 of these bad boys
I literally, since I've been playing (nearly 4 yrs.) purchase ONLY Shards in the Market.
I get ancient shards at level 13 of every dungeon and even a couple lower level ones
They seem to place high value on items not currently available in the market. To give players value without devaluing these items, they could include them as fragments. Things like Rare and Epic books, Sacred and Void shards. They could include glyphs and forge ingredients. They could also include Champion fragments, various keys, and chests. Further, they could create different tabs in the market, like market stalls, where each tab only features a certain kind of items. One for equipment, one for champions (shards and fragments too) and another for miscellany.
The dungeon cap isn't correct, during the Gnishak fusion I got I believe 18 ancient shards from Ice Golem. I didn't record it with screenshots so have no proof but know I ended with 20+ more ancient shards total from the dungeons during that fusion. Next time I do 3k+ energy in a dungeon I'll take a screenshot of before and after to verify.
@Ash_raid Be Gone Troll, the real Ash shall Smite thee!
As you unlock areas of the game and defeat levels of dungeons/dt items in the shop being able to be items from those locations like oils
i bought the last market spots quite early, and i guess i would do it again ;) I think in the beginning the market isn't that crap, at least i needed it to get my monk and book him (maybe this also count for the shield guard). Getting a few green shards extra isn't bad either especially at the start, and maybe you find valuable speed boots there for the start too.
The total cost of those slots isn't that huge, and if you are going to them later when you see ancient, why not getting them while they still have value.
You can get them earlier then stage 20 but the chances maybe lower. i got a couple during the super raids at stage 12 spider
Chosen is very good at numbers, love him for that
Love when he’s able to join me
Fwiw I started a free to play 2 days ago and got an ancient shard drop from ice golem around stage 7
You don't need stage 20 dungeon for a chance of Anicent Shards. I get them when I multibattle stages 5-12 but the chances are abysmal.
Sick into song!! “You’re old” 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I couldn’t stop laughing. The conversations are always so entertaining. This community of content creators is unheard of in other games. Thank you Ash and Chosen for putting out content for us Raiders.
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thanks guys for the info , i strongly beleive that the drop rate should be shown . it empowering to know that you had a 1% chance to get it and got 2 in a row
@ASH-RAID scammer alert?
They should have a little bit of everything in the shop, but like the Ancient Shards are Capped maybe other stuff could run off the same type of mechanic!
They should up the amount if ancients you get in the shop and at least epic books.
I love your video so much that I watch them every day and your fun guy to you make
Laugh
Fragments from champions you can't get anymore would be good
You can definitely farm ancient shards before stage 20 in dungeons. I'm not sure if there a number cap though.
Exclusive artifacts:
Merchant
2 set: +10% Silver from battles
If they changed the Market, I'd like to see fusion shards. 1-3 fragments for a Fragment Summon you have in the Summoning Portal. It's based on your account and cost X silver. You have to have atleast 1 fragment of given champ
Yup like walking tomb dreng and other fragments that you need even its like yannica that is one per buy
So do ancient shards cap at 5 for each specific dungeon or 5 overall per month?
The market should expand different types of items you can purchase as your player level grows just like other areas of the game unlock as your player level grows (for example, player level 40 unlocks auto artifact level up upgrade) then they could offer a chance to buy treasure chests that have random goodies in them, depending on your player level it depends on what you may pull from the treasure chests. Just an idea.
Great video. As a previous Madden Ultimate Team player, I had an obsession for opening packs and kept track of my pull rates for various overalls from each pack. I have not started to track shard pull rates or where I get them from the most. I do want to mention that I did pull an Ancient shard from stage 14 of the Magic Keep today (yes, I unlocked it like an idiot).
PS - what if there was an object in the store titled "build your own artifact". This thing would be super super rare but would allow the user the opportunity to build their own 6* artifact (rarities could vary).
@ash.raider I see the scammers are at it again.
I've definitely gotten ancient shards from stage 13 ice golem so no, it doesn't unlock at stage 20
The market use currently
Buying 2 stars can help during champ trianing.
When you buy a mystery shard you get your 5k silver back from the quest.
Ancient shards.
Changes they should make
They should reduce the cost of artifacts slightly and boost the chance of the desierable stats and only drop % gear on the bottom row after level 40. Sacreds are at a .30% chance 1 a month 5mil silver. Add in 3 star champs get rid of the 1 stars. Adding a energy refill at a .50% droprate for 100k silver wouldnt be too bad I'm not sure on that one.
I dont know but the market needs work. Literally anything new would be nice.
I had to pull 1300 mystery shards to get Pythion! Used over 2000 to get the 15 shards from summon rush to get Helicath. Great reason to spend the silver, I usually bye everyone that pops up!
Champion frags would be good, oil, mortal soul coins, forge mats, energy, potions... There are many things which could be useful, whereas most of the crap in there now isn't. Like some gear in there would be good for a beginning account, but that same beginning account would never have enough silver to even be able to purchase the gear! Once you start having enough silver to get the gear in there, it is already obsolete. Even as later game, I am still often silver-poor. I spend it all trying to upgrade gear only to find out it's crap and turn around and sell it. Also, for the daily quest I do refresh the market if there aren't any mystery shards in there. I'm not about to pay 60k silver for a 2star champ or a 3star piece of crap gear. Even 8k is too much for a 1star champ.
maybe add some epic or rare champs or some void shards or more ancient shards.
Glyphs, Rank and Rarity charms, DT keys, .... Gawd they could do such an easy revamp and get buku praise for it
So just to clarify, is it a 5 ancient shard cap monthly from each dungeon or 5 total from all the dungeons?
i know this was released a while ago but I would have the market more level based with a larger loot pool, for instance a 5% chance for a legendary at level 100 while if your level 40 you have like 5-10% chance to pull epics or shards/fragments of that levell
I think market should be upgraded as you level up as well as the forge(I mean when you upgrade artifacts it would be a higher chance of leveling it. For example to level 16 upgrade chance should be upgraded from minimal to very likely or something like that)
So back to the market.. I think it would be cool if players could interact more.. so if you could put an artifact you own up to the market and some other players could buy it from your clan maybe or even outside of clan
6:30 Edition on point as always 😂
On my FTP account I pulled 300+ mystery shards to finish off my summon tournament earlier in the pythion fusion event. So they definitely have value in bulk.
does ultimate galek work as a clan boss stun target with his 3 turn passive?? It sounds very good
I haven't reached 20 in any dungeon but have picked up more then a few in the less then 3 months I've been playing.
Noticed them pop up over the past week in marketplace
I got an ancient shard from stage 1 magic keep though... also one from stage 3 spider today.
Been playing a F2P account and a pay account for less then 2 months and have had 2 Ancient shards show up at the same time, twice in the market .
I found a 5 star legendary speed shield with speed substat, no flat stats for 600k YESTERDAY! Don’t sleep on the market. Once in a blue moon the rng will fall in your favor!!!
Ancients drop on lower levels of dungeons too
Rarely, from a 50 multi game u get between 4-7 ancient
My new start account is not clearing anything past stage 12 of dungeons at the moment and I have seen at least 2 ancient shard rewards when manually clicking repeat battles
I opened over 700 mystery shards during the Pythion event to reach the very high point level they set for 15 Pythion fragments. It was really tedious, but it did work.
I’d add rare champions, maybe even epics, 6 star gear, maybe some of the doom tower gear, at least some rare books and epic books.
I’d also like to see a faster way to go through all the champions from mystery shards. Like a way to “assign” a champion to feed and every mystery. Shard I open goes right to the “selected” champion.
Market revamp - fragments is interesting but would never happen, sadly. Items for sale should scale with account. Items for higher levels should offer higher level items. Buying energy would be a bonus...I would like to see chests to buy and random stuff is inside - RNG - for interesting items, jewelry, etc
holy cow, i did not know dungeon ancients were capped :O
collabs really amping up already this year again, I like to see it.
Thank you for watching Rrb!
Hey guys!
Always love the collaborations with you two.
Dealing out some great information as always!
Keep up the great work you guys you do,
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Yes, this would make total sense to add things like 3 & 4 star turkeys, rare and void books, even small gem packs. If a 19 pack of gems gets me to the 900 needed for the shard pack, I'd pay 100k or 150k to get it. This would keep the market more active then just looking for shards.
aside from the obvious (books, void & sacred shards, gear scaled to your level) i would like to see the market become a store front for all the markets in the game so the clan shop, bazaar etc can all be accessed in one place. don't see any reason to make us flick through all the menus every time.
I would like it if the razin fusion rare champions occasionally showed up in the market. A few hundred K silver for the last rare I just can't seem to pull would be a steal if it meant fusing Razin.
Also, I think if you have say 50+ shards for a fusion champion that's not available in doom tower or clan shop, etc., like Pythion or Helicath or whoever, it would be great if the market had a small chance of having 1 shard to buy, and eventually over a long period of time you could actually finish the fusion, and then the shards stopped showing up after that champion was fused.
So if say I've got 55 Pythion fragments, 60 Helicath, 85 Versulf, and 70 Verminlord fragments, if once a week I was able to buy one shard for each of those champions, yeah it'd take literally months before I finished fusing those champions, but at least the fragments I already have don't go to waste and just sit there doing nothing.
my suggestions for market fix add 2 voids shards per month like the ancients, occasionally there should pop rares there and about once per month a random epic. and lastly the gear they sell should be improved
or....... even better like the hell hades dream patch video!! but that is highly unlikely