I think the base model with the government grant is just under £20k although it's got the poverty battery. £3500 for the next spec up with a bigger battery.
My wife got one today on PCP I was surprisingly impressed by it. Charging points at work so free travel. RRP of £30k worked out around £350pm with £1.5k down based on 15k miles per year. So definitely not around the £200 mark unless mileage is super low.
1:52 "You weren't made to feel guilty playing back an old VHS video"?? Some of the VHS videos I had would have made you feel guilty!! Ah, Dodgy Dave - good times 😂
Bit misleading, 30k pounds, that's just for the version shown in the video. Here in the Netherlands they start at 24.900 eur or 21.425 pounds for the 24kWh version. In the UK prices start at 20.495 pounds for the Action (100mi), 23.995 for the Passion (160mi) and 25.495 for the Icon so probably 30k is for the top-of-the-line model convertible.
Problem with EV’s is down to where you live. I live in a house on a crowded street, I don’t have a drive so I have to park on the street and I can never guarantee being able to park outside my own house. Even if I could park outside my own house I would have to pull the charging cable across the footpath and leave it there for hours. I don’t know how they are going to make it work for people like me, or maybe those that live in apartments that don’t have onsite parking. If I could comfortably charge my car at home I’d not be against having an EV. If I have to drive to a charging point and sit there for over an hour every few days just to use a car then it’s suddenly not that worth having a car.
It is no problem , for people like you superchargers will do it.You will be able to charge your vehicle in 20 min and you will have to sit in your car watching youtube.Don't complain...you're wasting a lot of time on youtube anyway.Have you seen all High Peak Autos videos?:)
people who can afford a decent EV already have a house with a driveway,its little over 100k pounds,so they could buy the house before they buy the car,wich would be more logical then buyng a car then buyng a house
am considering a 500e as a second car, so re-watched this video. You can currently pick up a 2022, low mileage, 42Kwh example for £17K. Makes them good value now.
I remember how we were being fleeced with decimal currency. Now we are buying cars that have no engine, no gearbox, no clutch , no transmission .....and being charged twice as much !!!!
I own 1, and I love it. Very nippy, fast and personality in abundance. The best is to leave many big petrol cars behind, gives me a big smile every day
So far I’m working on my bucket list garage. Renault 4CV, Panhard Dyna PL17, Alpine A110, Mercedes W108, Land Rover Series 3 probably more, I keep seeing cars I want to add.
😂 I’ve just replaced my super safe Octavia 1.6 TDi TAXI with another Octavia. A vRS 245 petrol. 55mpg to 35mpg and I couldn’t care less. That’s what banning petrol cars has done to me. If I had the money I’d have a Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth for my day off too.
@@JohnnyPaton In theory it's all good, and many others might look to do the same. The rub could come if the powers that be gradually tighten emissions regs, thus removing older cars from the roads. Given that fact that the environment, along with climate issues keep climbing up the agenda, it isn't unthinkable it could happen.
Petrol is getting more and more expensive. That's how they'll get everyone into EVs. I do around 200 miles a week and that costs me £50 PW. That's in a BMW M4 for reference.
We've had the La PrimA for 6 days...It's now parked up in our garage, we can't use it, it's illegal to use on UK roads as it doesn't have the slow moving pedestrian warning sound, it's not even listed on the menu (Safety and security) and our Insurer refuses to provide cover. All now corrected, unfortunately over the past couple of years, (this being the length of time taken by Fiat to introduce updates, upgrades Etc). We have experienced nearly all the warning lights coming on at some time, often for no reason at all where no fault exists, these now do appear to have been addressed. Lovely little car to own, drive. Can now recommend..
Nicely designed car and interior very well set out and quite elegant , however the price is out of proportion to any gains that you might get from running a EV.
There needs to be a big leap forward in battery technology, a real breakthrough, and a massive infrastructure investment for charging. If I'm getting low on diesel on the motorway, five minutes in the service station has me out and away. I don't need an hour in Costa Coffee to charge up enough to get me home.
The price is only a list price anyways. This is especially true with EVs. In Germany you can buy a Fiat 500 top spec for less than 24k € after government and dealership rebates. That translates into around 20k £. Reasonable for the kind of tech you get.
That's so true! I used to own a VW Up! and really liked it. When the eUp! came out I really liked the idea of getting an electric car and assumed it would be pretty cheap (compared to most EVs). I was pretty horrified at the almost £30k price tag and worked out that the difference in price, minus the fuel savings from going electric would mean I'd have to do about 60,000 miles a year and own it for about 5 years!! Only then would it have broken even in terms of overall cost compared to the top spec petrol Up!
@@terencejay8845 with its fast charging speed i gives you 5 Kilometer in one minute. Your battery will get you about 400 kilometers in urban traffic. So if you run out of electricity Hit would be a sign of laziness if not stupidity
@@leeoliver391 there are a lot of other items which save you money. Do not forget that the running costs are very low because there is nothing that can breakdown think of the lots of editional things to the mother widget doesn't have for example and no belts oder Pumps or sensors on anything, no oil no Clutch and gearbox etc, you can sell your CO2 rights which gets YOU 250 cash every year Germany the name is "THG Quote" the annual Routine Checks are only about 100€. Any oil change is more expensive and the list is very long. If you run it ten years it will save you a lot of money komplett with my BMW it is about one thousand € cheaper every year
@@Tuffluk cars are a drop in the ocean. Do your research. Have a look at a refrigerant c02 calculator, I can put a bottle of gas in a fridge that's leaked and it covers 10 years driving
@@chappy2121 Transport accounts for 24 per cent of Co2 emmissions. Road transport accounts for two thirds of that. Sorry, I couldn't find any information on the percentage of greenhouse gas emmissions from leaky fridges! Get real!
You'd begin to recoup the cost a little quicker than you might think. There are EV specific tariffs out there now, and some costing as little as 4.5p per kwh, so that could bring your actual driving cost per mile pretty close to 1p. No petrol car could hope to get near that. EV residual values are likely to remain strong in the UK too, particularly now that charging to enter town and city centres with cars and vans not meeting Euro 6 emission levels, has begun. Birmingham rolled their £8 per day scheme out on June 1st, with York, Bath, Leeds, Coventry and others looking at doing the same.....
I’m still skeptical about electric cars don’t get me wrong I am impressed as a passenger with a performance it’s just the fact that they’ve forgotten it’s actually more damaging to the environment to make electric cars, its also minimal charge points, times when in a rare disaster of being stuck in a traffic jam it can make electric cars die quicker which means loss of heat and the car itself. The money too is dire! Ridiculously expensive, and not to mention the dangers of lithium iron battery’s and if not charge with knowledge or properly it really will blow up and when a battery hurts into flames it’s game over for you and the car if you haven’t already ran
I was in barbers and stood there chatting. In the traffic queue outside young blonde girl in Fiat 500 staring at us through window. I said to barber i bet she ain't looking at us, but her reflection in the barber shop window.
I agree. If they were the same price as petrol versions more people would buy them. I'm all for them if they're better than the petrol/diesel version that they replace. In this case, it is. Its not worth twice the price though
They make sense as city cars. Unfortunately people who live in cities tend to live in flats which is a non starter. The only niche I see is city taxis where conventional cars might fall to pieces in stop start driving.
Now they are starting to be similarly priced (of course not with the small cars). I just ordered bmw i4m40 and paid 85k here in Finland. Similar bmw 440i would have costed about 95k. So cheaper and much better.
@@HighPeakAutos I think I’d buy a Peugeot e 208 mainly cause it’s more practical and imo a bit better looking, imo the mini e is a much better car but the range is a bit crap for the price, the Honda e is just amazing because of how it looks, the corsa is a 208 with a crap name attached.
@@HighPeakAutos go across to the other badge on that Fiat dealer forecourt and they sell a couple of EVs for £24k brand new, a SUV or an estate! Slightly different target audience but just the sort of money the manufacturers should be aiming for
In 5 years the Chinese will flood the market with good looking and spec'ed EV brands we have not yet heard of at 30% less. Here in the Middle East there is not a week that goes by when I notice a good looking Hybrid car of a Chinese brand I've never seen or heard of before.
Yes Governments across the globe are telling motorists they have to change concept to Electric BUT no mention of charging posts for said cars - oh no that is not an equation any Government is able to process as the cost is too high - so I will be sticking to my little Ford Fiesta till it runs out of steam or I'm ready to be charcoaled . Thanks Matt - end of Rant.
Well done Matt, another great revue. I recently drove the Jaguar I Pace. Nice to drive, very quick and well appointed. Starting price £65k. Ouch!! Range of 250 miles ish. . I imagined going to visit friends a couple of hundred miles away and even before you ask for their WiFi code you have got to ask if you can charge your car, before you can return home. I am told it will take all night to recharge at a cost, to them of £13.50.The infrastructure is not up to speed yet. Nice concept, but we ain't ready.
It looks great. Premium & really cool & modern. I love the colour. At $ 30 k u wouldn’t buy it outright, but a 3 yr finance plan at a sensible monthly rental would be the way to go.
Methinks these will make great second hand purchases in 2024. Go for a high spec low mileage one and it will last forever. Looks like the ultimate luxury retirement car for me - I’m officially retiring in 3 years - need to get an EV as my last car! This small EV is perfect - but it has to be top of the line. It will also fit in my minuscule driveway perfectly! 😊
Good review. I’m currently driving a 1.2 500C and intending to replace it with the new 500e when the time comes. I’d agree completely that it makes more sense to lease than buy outright which seems to be the way of most modern cars now.
Big fan of this channel. Great delivery, love the humour and attitude. Cars in a British real world that I recognise having grown up in the North of England.
Got a lotta time for the mid 1900's retro-revival styles of the 00's... Thunderbird, this, S-Type, 75, Mini, PT Cruiser etc. Perfect cherry on top of the smooth design language of the time, and really enjoying the current transition into modern takes on 70's and 80's stuff. Likewise well suited to the aggressive language nowadays.
Think the only good thing in ditching the petrol engine in the 500 is that it can finally go up hills. £30k is a ridiculous amount of money for a tiny little car that realistically only fits two people
Fiat are on to.a winner here, the 500 is a perfect platform for an EV, the styling is spot on a perfect blend of retro and modern. Hopefully the Panda will be the next model to get the EV treatment? I'm on the fence re EV models, I like the idea in principal, it's just the battery level anxiety on longer trips and planning charge stops! I'd prefer more like a plug in hybrid system with a small petrol engine, hooked up to an EV setup, so round town or city it runs on the battery then on longer runs when the battery runs low the engine cuts in and charges your battery without the anxiety of finding charge points etc
@@HighPeakAutos Agree, if all your driving is short city trips, 10-20 miles, commuting, shopping etc they're perfect. If you're doing longer regular trips across country, then charging becomes an issue!
I remember being at a H&S conference (so dull) where some architect was waffling on about the roundabouts in Poynton bringing safety and calm to the area. Yeah right, I live here and it’s like the original cast of Mad Max having a pensioners reunion in Yarises and Micras with the occasional high speed lorry thrown in for good measure. Lost count of the number of accidents I’ve seen over the years.
Bought my wife one of the Red varients (very similar to the ICON) and have to say great little car and for us a perfect match in our household, the 500E for around town and short journeys and my Jaguar XJ (358) for those long motorway trips... and the bonus, our local Tesco has free EV charge points.... result....
The 30 grand price tag is for the top model, we've ordered the passion model think list price 26 grand but 2500 grant from the government and 1600 trade in of old car takes it down to about 22 grand which I think is reasonable for a new car . We really loved it , the back seats are pretty much non existent though , we'll just use them for shopping bags as it took a whole lot of heaving to get me in the back .
Matt : There is a leasing company doing fantastic deals on EV's , called ONTO which means you set up online, No Credit Limitations, Monthly rolling payments for as long as you have the model and after 2 years, expect to change to a newer version or a different car. Delivery as far as I am aware costs £50 and if you change cars for whatever reason it is another £50 to have the car picked up and replaced. No Insurance or Road Tax to worry about and No MOT's as ONTO handles everything for you. That is what I am seriously looking at doing and they have a range of styles from small to large, depending on your monthly budget. Oh one thing to note - most cars are limited to 1,000 miles per month or extra if you prefer additional miles.
Great, informative video again Matt; thank you. I guessed £28,000. That’s used Jaguar F type money ! I certainly see the financial quandary ! Have to say though , I’m impressed. I just need outside parking with a plug and I’m away ! 😂
Agree Matt ,preferred the 500 to the mini original models ,Fiat always made great small cars generally went downhill when they went upscale although had a courtesy car Croma late 80’s and was strangely plush and enjoyable….
Or you can buy say a Saab 9-3 cabrio for 5.5k. No £200 a month payment, use that money for fuel and when your done with it get maybe half your money back. !
30K GBP, that's the disconnect between EV and ICE. Looks a lovely car though. 160 miles wouldn't make it my only car though, Mum's 130 miles and on a Friday with the AC or heater on, I'm unlikely to make it.
That just sounds wrong. Fiats shouldn't be reliable - it's just against the natural order of things and makes me wonder if my suffering with my 1995 Punto was all for nought...
My first car was a used 1979 Fiat Strada. I love that car. It got 39 mpg mix driving. The only thing I fix on that car was a fuel pump that I replace myself. I had no other issue. I miss that car.
If your worried about the environment then drive a tiny petrol, i.e. free road tax. No filthy batteries and no problems with range and charging. Easy to park and cheap to buy, £40 to fill up and 55 mpg.
@@HighPeakAutos For that price you could buy say a new C1 or Peugoet 108. That'd be my choice at the moment, speaking as an ordinary person with an average budget.
Always a good & honest opinion, no BS here and not compelled to give a 10 / 10 verdict, even if he's been loaned the car from a Fiat dealership, now I like that a lot. 👍🙂👍
Would have thought they'd be worthless post PCP with a knackered battery, straight to the recycling plant. Along with the materials used to make that power pack it's hard to see how it's green. To make the sums add up for the leasing company it may well be more than £200 p.m. I reckon axeing the other options is a big mistake on Fiat's part.
@@rob5944 After three years the battery isn't going to be 'knackered'. That is why the car comes with an 8 year battery warranty. It is true that electric cars are not 'green'. But over their entire lifetime, they contribute less Co2 than ICE vehicles. The world needs to decarbonise. Electric cars are part of that.
@@bugsygoo if what you say is correct then residual prices will be high. Although I accept that over time (assuming that enough are produced) they should become more affordable. I wonder what the small print is on the warranty, does range decrease with age and use and is it transferable? If this is your main car then 150 mile range doesn't really cut it, how are you going to go on longer trips and what if a couple of other people are using the charger? At the moment I'd prefer a one litre petrol, mine emits less than 99 g/km and goes 350 miles on £40. It was less than 6k used and has no filthy battery (though admittedly slow on long hills). Your thoughts please....
@@rob5944 Firstly, I would not pay 30,000 for this car. As the reviewer said, it is way too expensive. Electric vehicles are too expensive at the moment. But that is a decision of the manufacturers. It isn't based on supply and demand issues. But where I live you can buy a dacia electric econobox for less than 15,000 pounds. You can get an id3 for in the UK for slightly more than the fiat. EVs are holding their value better than ICE cars because of demand. Yes, the battery will decrease over time. By how much depends on a lot of things, but it isn't what i would call significant. If you do a lot of long trips, then the fiat isnt for you. But it isn't meant for that and most journeys are are something like less than 30 miles. I can't remember the exact figure. Ideally, you will charge at home. People who park on the street have a less convenient option. But it will be much cheaper to run no matter where you charge. If you go electric, you can feel good in the knowledge that you aren't contributing to my son's asthma with your filthy tailpipe emissions.
I've got an idea! - would dealers consider an arrangement whereby the buyer could avail of petrol/diesel from the same dealer say up to 3 days a month to facilitate any longer journeys the customer may have to undertake. It could do away with buyer hesitancy and might make the concept of electric vehicle ownership more attractive. Feel free to use as you see fit. Other wise the real break through is a decent armrest in a tiny vehicle. Now that's real progress!
Exciting to see what cars we are going to have 5 to 10 years time. Electric cars are coming, no getting away from that now. With more competition and EVs gaining an ever increasing market share, eventually the prices will fall in line with there combustion counterparts. With improvements to battery technology we can see updated, faster, nicer cars like this with potentially 3/4 hundred miles per charge. Exciting times ahead.
The horn sound critique was unnecessary. You can turn that off in the settings. Also, it just sounds awesome! As someone who lives in Germany and will own this car next month, I am super excited for it. I always wanted my car to make that beeping sound ^^ Also, good for annoying neighbors.
Great video as always. I just don’t understand how people can justify £27k-£30k for a new Fiat. In fact the price of new cars is becoming more and more unattainable. For a while new cars were becoming affordable and it seems manufacturers are not making people cars anymore but cars that line the corporate pockets.
driving the petrol models is akin to being in a cement mixer, so if an e version gets rid of NOISE it is an improvement. But for the money you can buy a proper used car, instead of a scalextric !
Therein lies the problem , 30k and you lose half in 3/4 years , or pcp and it's never yours , then the batteries need replacing , dealer sucks air through his teeth , that's gonna cost you mate. The biggest faults with any vehicle is usually electrical of some sort these days , Great review Matt , you bring up some good points .
The price is ridiculously high, same for most EVs unfortunately. One of the other main issues is the network, it’s okay for people with driveways or garages but if you live in a city centre as I do with on street parking there’s no way an EV would work. A neighbour round the corner from me genuinely trails the charging cable across the pavement from his ground floor window...surely that can’t be safe or allowed 😂😂
Lovely car but like all EVs very expensive. I think the PCPs start at over £300 pm. Probably why Italians buy the Panda at £12,000. Still love this little car my favourite EV. Great review.
Another gripe Matt is charging for those in Flats (apartments) or Terraced houses. It means having a window open all night for the charge lead from the house to the car, across the pavement or open to abuse in the backstreet (leave it!...), or one being suspended from the 100th floor of a block of flats (the lead not the car). And whilst they don't chug out fumes in the car, some power station somewhere is piling in coal/gas/old-tyres into huge furnaces to produce the lekkie. Just a thought to two.
Many reviews on this car have been done by journalists who by definition do not know about motor vehicles. I'm guessing you know a little more. Well presented...I've ordered La Prima hatch for August.
It probably wouldn’t be very expensive when she gets her license, but then again by that time the batteries of these have reached the end of their life and they need a new battery, which will probably cost more than the car
My reason for be sceptic about ev is that we have virtually no infrastructure, unless you want to wait 20mins for a charger to be free. Also the stress of whether you will be near a charging point on a long journey. Till that is resolved I am sticking to petrol.
These are great cars and a big advancement on older EV technology. I would have one tomorrow and be very happy. Except for the price. What you save in running costs would never make up for the cost of buying it and it's subsequent devaluation.
Yeah, and higher price means (much) higher subsequent devaluation 😞. Perhaps there is a sweet spot for second-hand EV's which cost little to run, especially as a second car.
Love this car, purchased one myself. Not cheap and if you're one of those people that can't justify something with better styling if it's not equally or more practical than equally priced models then this isn't for you and an E208 or Corsa-e would be better picks in the small car segment. But the looks and infotainment on this just brilliant, feels very much like a smartphone in operation and it's great. Range-wise I've managed over 300km driving an almost constant 90km/h(probably averaged +/- 80) so getting 300-400km if you mix that up with 30, 50, and 70 zones is surely possible. (summer conditions) And as a very environmentally conscious person, it's something I will never go back on now. Totally worth the price!
£30k to buy - ridiculous so leasing only viable option. Makes me think of the phrase “you will own nothing and be happy”. . .
You've got a point there
I think the base model with the government grant is just under £20k although it's got the poverty battery. £3500 for the next spec up with a bigger battery.
You could buy a used tesla model s for less than that
Are electric cars part of the great reset?
Owning a car is stupid
My wife got one today on PCP I was surprisingly impressed by it. Charging points at work so free travel. RRP of £30k worked out around £350pm with £1.5k down based on 15k miles per year. So definitely not around the £200 mark unless mileage is super low.
1:52 "You weren't made to feel guilty playing back an old VHS video"?? Some of the VHS videos I had would have made you feel guilty!! Ah, Dodgy Dave - good times 😂
Hahaha good point
@@Jedimack7 Blue Ray
I want a V8 now, just because I can. And because soon, I can’t.
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Bit misleading, 30k pounds, that's just for the version shown in the video. Here in the Netherlands they start at 24.900 eur or 21.425 pounds for the 24kWh version.
In the UK prices start at 20.495 pounds for the Action (100mi), 23.995 for the Passion (160mi) and 25.495 for the Icon so probably 30k is for the top-of-the-line model convertible.
He should had mention that.
Problem with EV’s is down to where you live.
I live in a house on a crowded street, I don’t have a drive so I have to park on the street and I can never guarantee being able to park outside my own house.
Even if I could park outside my own house I would have to pull the charging cable across the footpath and leave it there for hours.
I don’t know how they are going to make it work for people like me, or maybe those that live in apartments that don’t have onsite parking.
If I could comfortably charge my car at home I’d not be against having an EV.
If I have to drive to a charging point and sit there for over an hour every few days just to use a car then it’s suddenly not that worth having a car.
That’s the trouble isn’t it
Ironically the 500e is a city car that wouldn’t work in practice for those living in a city 🤣
It is no problem , for people like you superchargers will do it.You will be able to charge your vehicle in 20 min and you will have to sit in your car watching youtube.Don't complain...you're wasting a lot of time on youtube anyway.Have you seen all High Peak Autos videos?:)
people who can afford a decent EV already have a house with a driveway,its little over 100k pounds,so they could buy the house before they buy the car,wich would be more logical then buyng a car then buyng a house
Well, an electric car doesnt fit to everyone
£30k is expensive, but remember there's £250 off. Thanks Matt.
Michael Kors handbag with wheels 😂
I had a Panda for nearly 10 years, and it was incredibly reliable and cheap to run. The 500 is a great little thing. But not for £30k in E guise.
Panda 4x4 always had good reviews.
@@flybobbie1449 I've never driven an electric (except a milk float!) but it's time I gave one a try.
I just want to congratulate you on finally coming out of the closet and admitting you were that Panda driver. I always wondered who that was
They aren't all 30k,you can get long range in a cheaper speck, still with plenty of equipment
This isn't a panda ??
am considering a 500e as a second car, so re-watched this video. You can currently pick up a 2022, low mileage, 42Kwh example for £17K. Makes them good value now.
I remember how we were being fleeced with decimal currency. Now we are buying cars that have no engine, no gearbox, no clutch , no transmission .....and being charged twice as much !!!!
Electric cars are inherently more expensive to build, due to rarer elements involved.
Charged twice as much .... I see what you did there ;)
I own 1, and I love it. Very nippy, fast and personality in abundance. The best is to leave many big petrol cars behind, gives me a big smile every day
In the year 2035 I might consider it, but until then I'm going to buy some bat sh*t crazy petrol cars. One last hurrah as it were.
So far I’m working on my bucket list garage. Renault 4CV, Panhard Dyna PL17, Alpine A110, Mercedes W108, Land Rover Series 3 probably more, I keep seeing cars I want to add.
😂 I’ve just replaced my super safe Octavia 1.6 TDi TAXI with another Octavia. A vRS 245 petrol. 55mpg to 35mpg and I couldn’t care less. That’s what banning petrol cars has done to me. If I had the money I’d have a Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth for my day off too.
@@JohnnyPaton In theory it's all good, and many others might look to do the same. The rub could come if the powers that be gradually tighten emissions regs, thus removing older cars from the roads. Given that fact that the environment, along with climate issues keep climbing up the agenda, it isn't unthinkable it could happen.
Petrol is getting more and more expensive. That's how they'll get everyone into EVs. I do around 200 miles a week and that costs me £50 PW. That's in a BMW M4 for reference.
One last hurrah indeed. 😎
We've had the La PrimA for 6 days...It's now parked up in our garage, we can't use it, it's illegal to use on UK roads as it doesn't have the slow moving pedestrian warning sound, it's not even listed on the menu (Safety and security) and our Insurer refuses to provide cover. All now corrected, unfortunately over the past couple of years, (this being the length of time taken by Fiat to introduce updates, upgrades Etc). We have experienced nearly all the warning lights coming on at some time, often for no reason at all where no fault exists, these now do appear to have been addressed. Lovely little car to own, drive. Can now recommend..
That can’t be right. There are plenty of older EV’s on the road that don’t have a noise
Nicely designed car and interior very well set out and quite elegant , however the price is out of proportion to any gains that you might get from running a EV.
There needs to be a big leap forward in battery technology, a real breakthrough, and a massive infrastructure investment for charging. If I'm getting low on diesel on the motorway, five minutes in the service station has me out and away. I don't need an hour in Costa Coffee to charge up enough to get me home.
The price is only a list price anyways. This is especially true with EVs. In Germany you can buy a Fiat 500 top spec for less than 24k € after government and dealership rebates. That translates into around 20k £. Reasonable for the kind of tech you get.
That's so true! I used to own a VW Up! and really liked it. When the eUp! came out I really liked the idea of getting an electric car and assumed it would be pretty cheap (compared to most EVs). I was pretty horrified at the almost £30k price tag and worked out that the difference in price, minus the fuel savings from going electric would mean I'd have to do about 60,000 miles a year and own it for about 5 years!! Only then would it have broken even in terms of overall cost compared to the top spec petrol Up!
@@terencejay8845 with its fast charging speed i gives you 5 Kilometer in one minute. Your battery will get you about 400 kilometers in urban traffic. So if you run out of electricity Hit would be a sign of laziness if not stupidity
@@leeoliver391 there are a lot of other items which save you money. Do not forget that the running costs are very low because there is nothing that can breakdown think of the lots of editional things to the mother widget doesn't have for example and no belts oder Pumps or sensors on anything, no oil no Clutch and gearbox etc, you can sell your CO2 rights which gets YOU 250 cash every year Germany the name is "THG Quote" the annual Routine Checks are only about 100€. Any oil change is more expensive and the list is very long. If you run it ten years it will save you a lot of money komplett with my BMW it is about one thousand € cheaper every year
Fabulous bit of design. Will never age. Can pick up not very old ones for basically nothing. Great choice for a little runaround.
Didn't know there was a new model, the old model is still very popular.
The new is electric only
“Should I stop asking myself questions like Simon Cowell.” Good one. 😄
Looks a great little city car but the price is the killer. Another great video, thank you.
I wonder how many times you would need to drive to the moon and back to recoup the 2x cost.
We will have to live on the moon if we continue to clog up this world with air pollution
The key issue is the country is the of charging infrastructure, have driven hybrids and that’s ok but all electric, with the cost and range issue nah!
@@Tuffluk cars are a drop in the ocean. Do your research. Have a look at a refrigerant c02 calculator, I can put a bottle of gas in a fridge that's leaked and it covers 10 years driving
@@chappy2121 Transport accounts for 24 per cent of Co2 emmissions. Road transport accounts for two thirds of that. Sorry, I couldn't find any information on the percentage of greenhouse gas emmissions from leaky fridges! Get real!
You'd begin to recoup the cost a little quicker than you might think. There are EV specific tariffs out there now, and some costing as little as 4.5p per kwh, so that could bring your actual driving cost per mile pretty close to 1p. No petrol car could hope to get near that. EV residual values are likely to remain strong in the UK too, particularly now that charging to enter town and city centres with cars and vans not meeting Euro 6 emission levels, has begun. Birmingham rolled their £8 per day scheme out on June 1st, with York, Bath, Leeds, Coventry and others looking at doing the same.....
I’m still skeptical about electric cars don’t get me wrong I am impressed as a passenger with a performance it’s just the fact that they’ve forgotten it’s actually more damaging to the environment to make electric cars, its also minimal charge points, times when in a rare disaster of being stuck in a traffic jam it can make electric cars die quicker which means loss of heat and the car itself. The money too is dire! Ridiculously expensive, and not to mention the dangers of lithium iron battery’s and if not charge with knowledge or properly it really will blow up and when a battery hurts into flames it’s game over for you and the car if you haven’t already ran
Another great review Matt. In depth, honest and still the cheeky one liners for laughs... young orange girls 🍊 😆. Keep up the great work
Thank you! Will do!
I was in barbers and stood there chatting. In the traffic queue outside young blonde girl in Fiat 500 staring at us through window. I said to barber i bet she ain't looking at us, but her reflection in the barber shop window.
Loved the orange girls n handbag wonky eye look…..puns…..cracks me up that women think its a good look
Too much "reality TV" and "insta models" these days that glorify that nonsense mate.
A PCP based on a real value of £15k would be about right.
I'm looking forward to seeing what Abarth can do with this when they get their hands on it!
One year later, and the general consensus is "not enough."
Deffo love your glass half full approach to ev's. Alot of ppl deride ev's as a con, but they seem like viable options for ppl who do
I agree. If they were the same price as petrol versions more people would buy them. I'm all for them if they're better than the petrol/diesel version that they replace. In this case, it is. Its not worth twice the price though
They make sense as city cars. Unfortunately people who live in cities tend to live in flats which is a non starter. The only niche I see is city taxis where conventional cars might fall to pieces in stop start driving.
Now they are starting to be similarly priced (of course not with the small cars). I just ordered bmw i4m40 and paid 85k here in Finland. Similar bmw 440i would have costed about 95k. So cheaper and much better.
30k? Not a chance, too many more desirable EVs at that price.
Trouble is, they're all very dear. I cant think of a better new one for £30k
@@HighPeakAutos I think I’d buy a Peugeot e 208 mainly cause it’s more practical and imo a bit better looking, imo the mini e is a much better car but the range is a bit crap for the price, the Honda e is just amazing because of how it looks, the corsa is a 208 with a crap name attached.
@@HighPeakAutos go across to the other badge on that Fiat dealer forecourt and they sell a couple of EVs for £24k brand new, a SUV or an estate! Slightly different target audience but just the sort of money the manufacturers should be aiming for
In 5 years the Chinese will flood the market with good looking and spec'ed EV brands we have not yet heard of at 30% less. Here in the Middle East there is not a week that goes by when I notice a good looking Hybrid car of a Chinese brand I've never seen or heard of before.
@@wajopek2679 you’re probably right
Yes Governments across the globe are telling motorists they have to change concept to Electric BUT no mention of charging posts for said cars - oh no that is not an equation any Government is able to process as the cost is too high - so I will be sticking to my little Ford Fiesta till it runs out of steam or I'm ready to be charcoaled . Thanks Matt - end of Rant.
Your seemingly relentless enthusiasm at the beginning of this one made me laugh 🤣
Great review again. Keep them coming 👏🏻👏🏻😃
£30 GRAND!
YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS!
I was asking myself how much change I would get from £20K! Even that would be pushing it for a Fiat!
Harvey Davidson electric bike is £30K, so the same for a car hmm OK its still not good.
Need to be below 20k. Need to see the small Chinese car, called Ora Good cat. 16-22k US Dollars.
Electric innit. Same price as the Renault Zoe.
Goddamn microbox costs almost the same per month as a low-end executive saloon 15 years ago!
Well done Matt, another great revue. I recently drove the Jaguar I Pace. Nice to drive, very quick and well appointed. Starting price £65k. Ouch!! Range of 250 miles ish. . I imagined going to visit friends a couple of hundred miles away and even before you ask for their WiFi code you have got to ask if you can charge your car, before you can return home. I am told it will take all night to recharge at a cost, to them of £13.50.The infrastructure is not up to speed yet. Nice concept, but we ain't ready.
I agree. It’s not perfect. I think it makes more sense for small city cars. For bigger cars you’re better off with petrol/diesel
100% Italian Electrics, good luck with that!
Great vlog. not a deal but just love your down to earth vlogs.
Thank you!!
It looks great.
Premium & really cool & modern.
I love the colour.
At $ 30 k u wouldn’t buy it outright, but a 3 yr finance plan at a sensible monthly rental would be the way to go.
Exactly. I didnt get PCP quotes from them but I imagine for £250 per month and no fuel bills, it does start to look quite appealing
@@HighPeakAutos
Most definitely. 👍👍
Looking forward to a video update on the Defender. 🙏🏻
Methinks these will make great second hand purchases in 2024. Go for a high spec low mileage one and it will last forever. Looks like the ultimate luxury retirement car for me - I’m officially retiring in 3 years - need to get an EV as my last car! This small EV is perfect - but it has to be top of the line. It will also fit in my minuscule driveway perfectly! 😊
Good review. I’m currently driving a 1.2 500C and intending to replace it with the new 500e when the time comes. I’d agree completely that it makes more sense to lease than buy outright which seems to be the way of most modern cars now.
Big fan of this channel. Great delivery, love the humour and attitude. Cars in a British real world that I recognise having grown up in the North of England.
Got a lotta time for the mid 1900's retro-revival styles of the 00's... Thunderbird, this, S-Type, 75, Mini, PT Cruiser etc.
Perfect cherry on top of the smooth design language of the time, and really enjoying the current transition into modern takes on 70's and 80's stuff. Likewise well suited to the aggressive language nowadays.
When I saw this advertised I immediately thought of your import vid from a few months back - looks a bit better than that one.
Think the only good thing in ditching the petrol engine in the 500 is that it can finally go up hills. £30k is a ridiculous amount of money for a tiny little car that realistically only fits two people
Fiat are on to.a winner here, the 500 is a perfect platform for an EV, the styling is spot on a perfect blend of retro and modern.
Hopefully the Panda will be the next model to get the EV treatment?
I'm on the fence re EV models, I like the idea in principal, it's just the battery level anxiety on longer trips and planning charge stops!
I'd prefer more like a plug in hybrid system with a small petrol engine, hooked up to an EV setup, so round town or city it runs on the battery then on longer runs when the battery runs low the engine cuts in and charges your battery without the anxiety of finding charge points etc
I like the idea and I think for a city car they're perfect. But I wouldn't have one as my only car
@@HighPeakAutos Agree, if all your driving is short city trips, 10-20 miles, commuting, shopping etc they're perfect.
If you're doing longer regular trips across country, then charging becomes an issue!
I remember being at a H&S conference (so dull) where some architect was waffling on about the roundabouts in Poynton bringing safety and calm to the area. Yeah right, I live here and it’s like the original cast of Mad Max having a pensioners reunion in Yarises and Micras with the occasional high speed lorry thrown in for good measure. Lost count of the number of accidents I’ve seen over the years.
Haha that’s right
My E class pips it’s horn when I lock it too, well it did until I went into settings and turned it off. 🤌
Bought my wife one of the Red varients (very similar to the ICON) and have to say great little car and for us a perfect match in our household, the 500E for around town and short journeys and my Jaguar XJ (358) for those long motorway trips... and the bonus, our local Tesco has free EV charge points.... result....
You’re bang on! The original 500 was a better car than the mini! I think Gordon Murray (MacLaren) would agree too!!
Another great & informative video Matt. I know those double roundabouts in Poynton. Just close my eyes & accelerate!
Haha thanks. You've got to be wary of the old Honda Civics with HLG stickers on the back, they're usually in their 90's and feeling brave
Brilliant video Mat, always a pleasure to watch 👍
Thanks 👍
The 30 grand price tag is for the top model, we've ordered the passion model think list price 26 grand but 2500 grant from the government and 1600 trade in of old car takes it down to about 22 grand which I think is reasonable for a new car . We really loved it , the back seats are pretty much non existent though , we'll just use them for shopping bags as it took a whole lot of heaving to get me in the back .
They’re great cars. I especially liked this soft top version.
Matt : There is a leasing company doing fantastic deals on EV's , called ONTO which means you set up online, No Credit Limitations, Monthly rolling payments for as long as you have the model and after 2 years, expect to change to a newer version or a different car. Delivery as far as I am aware costs £50 and if you change cars for whatever reason it is another £50 to have the car picked up and replaced. No Insurance or Road Tax to worry about and No MOT's as ONTO handles everything for you. That is what I am seriously looking at doing and they have a range of styles from small to large, depending on your monthly budget.
Oh one thing to note - most cars are limited to 1,000 miles per month or extra if you prefer additional miles.
Always an unbiased and sensible review 👍👍
Thanks 👍
The electric version is definitely better than the I.c.e models, as you said...Nice and quiet with good acceleratiVery good review....Andre..
Great, informative video again Matt; thank you.
I guessed £28,000. That’s used Jaguar F type money ! I certainly see the financial quandary !
Have to say though , I’m impressed. I just need outside parking with a plug and I’m away ! 😂
The big question is, if you rent, where do you plug it in ?
Agree Matt ,preferred the 500 to the mini original models ,Fiat always made great small cars generally went downhill when they went upscale although had a courtesy car Croma late 80’s and was strangely plush and enjoyable….
"Maintenance will be consigned to the history books." Oh dear, you'd better marinate those words 'cos your gonna eat 'em one day.
We’ll see. Obviously it’ll still need tyres and brakes etc but there’s a lot less to go wrong
£30000 for a Fiat 500. Oft, its really stylish though. Nice variance on the cars you review. 👍
If you live in a terraced house where you often can't park outside how are you supposed to charge it. Many have no off road parking.
Or you can buy say a Saab 9-3 cabrio for 5.5k. No £200 a month payment, use that money for fuel and when your done with it get maybe half your money back. !
30K GBP, that's the disconnect between EV and ICE.
Looks a lovely car though. 160 miles wouldn't make it my only car though, Mum's 130 miles and on a Friday with the AC or heater on, I'm unlikely to make it.
Why do cars have 1 cupholder? You just said no gear lever means it's freed up space then show 1 cupholder though there is clearly space for 2. DHOOH!!
Love the "500" on the front grill.
What grille...
Please do a 2006 Suzuki grand vitara 👊👍👍love your vids
WOW! A reliable FIAT 👏
That just sounds wrong. Fiats shouldn't be reliable - it's just against the natural order of things and makes me wonder if my suffering with my 1995 Punto was all for nought...
Looks way better than the old one I must say
in the 80's...FIAT stood for fix it again tomorrow...thanks for vid
My first car was a used 1979 Fiat Strada. I love that car. It got 39 mpg mix driving. The only thing I fix on that car was a fuel pump that I replace myself. I had no other issue. I miss that car.
Just picked up our new car today , very happy with it , we'll give an update when we've had it for a few weeks .
Very good. I like them
Way back in 1985 I drove a Neoplan Skyliner double-deck coach with a push button gearbox. Could buy one of them for 30 grand.
Oh a NEW car today !
Yep!
If your worried about the environment then drive a tiny petrol, i.e. free road tax. No filthy batteries and no problems with range and charging. Easy to park and cheap to buy, £40 to fill up and 55 mpg.
Yes exactly. A second hand one
@@HighPeakAutos For that price you could buy say a new C1 or Peugoet 108. That'd be my choice at the moment, speaking as an ordinary person with an average budget.
Funnily enough I was looking at 2 year old ones (2022) today (2024) and they are at 15-16k for the La Prima models. So good news
Always a good & honest opinion, no BS here and not compelled to give a 10 / 10 verdict, even if he's been loaned the car from a Fiat dealership, now I like that a lot. 👍🙂👍
Thanks!
Would have thought they'd be worthless post PCP with a knackered battery, straight to the recycling plant. Along with the materials used to make that power pack it's hard to see how it's green. To make the sums add up for the leasing company it may well be more than £200 p.m. I reckon axeing the other options is a big mistake on Fiat's part.
Same silly, untrue cliches. You're about 10 years behind the times.
@@bugsygoo would you care to explain, I'm always open to persuasion....?
@@rob5944 After three years the battery isn't going to be 'knackered'. That is why the car comes with an 8 year battery warranty. It is true that electric cars are not 'green'. But over their entire lifetime, they contribute less Co2 than ICE vehicles. The world needs to decarbonise. Electric cars are part of that.
@@bugsygoo if what you say is correct then residual prices will be high. Although I accept that over time (assuming that enough are produced) they should become more affordable. I wonder what the small print is on the warranty, does range decrease with age and use and is it transferable? If this is your main car then 150 mile range doesn't really cut it, how are you going to go on longer trips and what if a couple of other people are using the charger? At the moment I'd prefer a one litre petrol, mine emits less than 99 g/km and goes 350 miles on £40. It was less than 6k used and has no filthy battery (though admittedly slow on long hills). Your thoughts please....
@@rob5944 Firstly, I would not pay 30,000 for this car. As the reviewer said, it is way too expensive. Electric vehicles are too expensive at the moment. But that is a decision of the manufacturers. It isn't based on supply and demand issues. But where I live you can buy a dacia electric econobox for less than 15,000 pounds. You can get an id3 for in the UK for slightly more than the fiat. EVs are holding their value better than ICE cars because of demand. Yes, the battery will decrease over time. By how much depends on a lot of things, but it isn't what i would call significant. If you do a lot of long trips, then the fiat isnt for you. But it isn't meant for that and most journeys are are something like less than 30 miles. I can't remember the exact figure. Ideally, you will charge at home. People who park on the street have a less convenient option. But it will be much cheaper to run no matter where you charge. If you go electric, you can feel good in the knowledge that you aren't contributing to my son's asthma with your filthy tailpipe emissions.
I've got an idea! - would dealers consider an arrangement whereby the buyer could avail of petrol/diesel from the same dealer say up to 3 days a month to facilitate any longer journeys the customer may have to undertake. It could do away with buyer hesitancy and might make the concept of electric vehicle ownership more attractive. Feel free to use as you see fit. Other wise the real break through is a decent armrest in a tiny vehicle. Now that's real progress!
I like the horn bleep when lock un lock
What you doing with the yank E 500. Time to go ??? If it is ….. In last week been got a V8 Lexus and a GTA saloon for fun.
Exciting to see what cars we are going to have 5 to 10 years time. Electric cars are coming, no getting away from that now. With more competition and EVs gaining an ever increasing market share, eventually the prices will fall in line with there combustion counterparts. With improvements to battery technology we can see updated, faster, nicer cars like this with potentially 3/4 hundred miles per charge. Exciting times ahead.
The horn sound critique was unnecessary. You can turn that off in the settings. Also, it just sounds awesome! As someone who lives in Germany and will own this car next month, I am super excited for it. I always wanted my car to make that beeping sound ^^ Also, good for annoying neighbors.
Great video as always. I just don’t understand how people can justify £27k-£30k for a new Fiat. In fact the price of new cars is becoming more and more unattainable. For a while new cars were becoming affordable and it seems manufacturers are not making people cars anymore but cars that line the corporate pockets.
driving the petrol models is akin to being in a cement mixer, so if an e version gets rid of NOISE it is an improvement. But for the money you can buy a proper used car, instead of a scalextric !
I was looking forward to this video! Cheers
Therein lies the problem , 30k and you lose half in 3/4 years , or pcp and it's never yours , then the batteries need replacing , dealer sucks air through his teeth , that's gonna cost you mate. The biggest faults with any vehicle is usually electrical of some sort these days , Great review Matt , you bring up some good points .
Totally agree with your views on being forced into EV's. Interesting and informative video as always Matt, but £30k ??
what could be more simple. turn up, open flap, insert bowser from pump, 3min, pay and go!
The price is ridiculously high, same for most EVs unfortunately. One of the other main issues is the network, it’s okay for people with driveways or garages but if you live in a city centre as I do with on street parking there’s no way an EV would work. A neighbour round the corner from me genuinely trails the charging cable across the pavement from his ground floor window...surely that can’t be safe or allowed 😂😂
Lovely car but like all EVs very expensive. I think the PCPs start at over £300 pm. Probably why Italians buy the Panda at £12,000. Still love this little car my favourite EV. Great review.
Another gripe Matt is charging for those in Flats (apartments) or Terraced houses. It means having a window open all night for the charge lead from the house to the car, across the pavement or open to abuse in the backstreet (leave it!...), or one being suspended from the 100th floor of a block of flats (the lead not the car). And whilst they don't chug out fumes in the car, some power station somewhere is piling in coal/gas/old-tyres into huge furnaces to produce the lekkie. Just a thought to two.
Yes that is going to be an issue. Unless you can get away with charging it just once a week whilst you're doing your weekly shop
Much better looking than the out going model inside and outside.
I love this Fiat 500 and your review. I am looking forward to it (eventually) coming to Australia.
You can keep your e cars. I live in Manchester and if I was to spot this thing I will do my best to push it in my Abarth comp.
The average UK cost of a new small car is £12,000 - £17,000. So how many do Fiat expect to sell of the 500e?
Many reviews on this car have been done by journalists who by definition do not know about motor vehicles. I'm guessing you know a little more. Well presented...I've ordered La Prima hatch for August.
Thank you. Good choice. I was impressed with it
It is quite cool, my 13yr old daughter would love it lol 😂
It probably wouldn’t be very expensive when she gets her license, but then again by that time the batteries of these have reached the end of their life and they need a new battery, which will probably cost more than the car
My reason for be sceptic about ev is that we have virtually no infrastructure, unless you want to wait 20mins for a charger to be free. Also the stress of whether you will be near a charging point on a long journey. Till that is resolved I am sticking to petrol.
These are great cars and a big advancement on older EV technology. I would have one tomorrow and be very happy.
Except for the price. What you save in running costs would never make up for the cost of buying it and it's subsequent devaluation.
Yeah, and higher price means (much) higher subsequent devaluation 😞. Perhaps there is a sweet spot for second-hand EV's which cost little to run, especially as a second car.
Great review as always...totally agree about something being ' forced on us ' 👍
Love this car, purchased one myself. Not cheap and if you're one of those people that can't justify something with better styling if it's not equally or more practical than equally priced models then this isn't for you and an E208 or Corsa-e would be better picks in the small car segment. But the looks and infotainment on this just brilliant, feels very much like a smartphone in operation and it's great. Range-wise I've managed over 300km driving an almost constant 90km/h(probably averaged +/- 80) so getting 300-400km if you mix that up with 30, 50, and 70 zones is surely possible. (summer conditions) And as a very environmentally conscious person, it's something I will never go back on now.
Totally worth the price!
I loved it
always informative and down to earth. Great videos 👍
Mat ..........
We are missing a fantastic marketing opportunity here,
Fiat 500e Michael Korrs ltd edition, be sold out in Liverpool in minutes 🤣😂
Hahaha wouldn't it just
Never even heard of em....
@@rob5944 🤣😂
Aintree special edition
I work in Liverpool and your spot on, might just need some black carpet above the headlights!
"Young orange girls". I couldn't stop laughing. 😂😅😄
No! Only if its for one person & city driving. I like the car.
I was looking at a Honda E similar range and cost - I am amazed anyone buys them. Add 200 miles and subtract £15k and they will fly off the forecourts