Rear Trailing Arm Bushing Replacement - Honda
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- Suspension bushings. How to replace the rear trailing arm bushing in a 1994-2001 Acura Integra, 1988-2000 Honda Civic, 1988-1991 Honda CRX, and 1992-1997 Honda Del Sol. The rear trailing arm bushings isolate and reduce road shock and vibration, and help absorb axial and radial movement of the suspension. The bushing can crack and harden over time, as well as break, and will eventually need to be replaced.
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I did this over the past 2 days on a Rust Belt driven 2000 CR-V. Yes, I'm sore and beat up. The special tool did save me some time. It turned an 8 hour job into a 6 hour job. Pushing the old bushings out with the special tool was simple. I froze the new bushings a day ahead of time. The frozen bushings plus grease made pushing them in even easier than pushing out the old bushings. The part I struggled with for hours was reassembly, especially getting the new bushings lined up to bolt them in. I finally discovered the effectiveness of pry bars in getting things lined up.
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Great question. I looked into it a good amount, and ultimately chose to go with rubber, for a few reasons. Obviously, it's cheaper, but that wasn't my biggest concern. Polyurethane doesn't allow for resistance to movement in any axis other than the axis it rotates on, where as the rubber can account for twisting loads and axial loads in and out, left/right etc. I've also heard the polyurethane bushings can squeak pretty bad, and I've heard that they don't necessarily last longer.
I did them on my CRX a few years ago to pass inspection. The shop wanted $400 for the job. I think parts (including the $90 tool) came to about $120 and one hour of my own labor. Glad I did them myself. Although I respect the trade, auto techs tend to over exaggerate the difficulty of certain repairs.
Definitely much cheaper to do it yourself. I've heard of others getting quotes for up to $900. I took a bit longer than an hour, but one of them was out of tolerance so I had to buy another.
what do you mean out of tolerance? the bushing was out of tolerance what did you measure and how to determine this ?
D Mcd maybe you mean you bought the wrong bushing cause the ones for the DA are a different size
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Yes ?
The video description provides some insight. They isolate some vibrations that other wise would be passed to the frame, and they also resist axial and radial movement of the suspension, so it helps to keep the geometry relatively the same.
The only time you need the sst (special service tool) is on the crv. Honda tech for 7 years, been with Toyota for 6 now. Hammer is all ya need for crx / civics. Don't waste all the time with the sst. Turns a 15 minute job into a half hour job. Time is money....
Seems you don’t work in north east 😂
Shut up paker@@matthewpowell1855
Thanks for this , I done mine while i was at it, I done brake hoses brake pipes new brake shoes too cleaned up any rust spots treated and painted I actually took out whole assemble both sides as this gave me more access and found it easier to work on the bench
There was a good amount of noise at around 50 mph at the back left tire, as well as a "clunk" when taking a sharp left turn. Both of which have seemingly disappeared after replacing.
What Brand Trailing Arm Bushing did you use?
I've been told AC Delco or AC Delco Professional make garbage parts.
And for an item like this in the aftermarket to go with Moog.
@@lightningsmokerXx Moog ain't what they used to be either as I've read horror stories about their ball joints among other things. Much of their stuff is still good but you can't just assume it's a quality part since it says Moog on the box. Personally, when it comes to ball joints these days I much prefer Proforged over Moog. When it comes to rear trailing arm bushings for Hondas I don't stray from OEM as the vast majority of the aftermarket offerings are iffy at best. I just bought a pair of Honda OEM RTA bushings for my '98 CRV from a reliable ebay seller for $45.
Excellent video! Great lighting, perfect use of tripod, clear audio, excellent speech and enunciation. Wannabe youtube instructors, take a lesson!
Haha thank you, and thanks for watching!
Thank you that was very helpful. I did it in 3.5 hours. I wasted about 30 minutes taking a break. I would suggest to anyone doing this to maybe get some tie wire/bailing wire to hold your breaker bar so that when you tighten your last bolt on the compensation arm to 47 ft lbs it is easier to adjust and tighten your bolt with the other hand. I was nervous, being the fist time, but everything went great. Excellent video thank you.
Glad to hear it went well! Breaks are necessary, congrats.
Regardless of the aftermarket shocks, my bushing were long worn. They needed replacement. But if the stock ones are fine, then they can be left, I'm fairly sure though after this many years not many are left in good shape.
Hey man, I replaces my t/a bushings on my old db8, and actually found they came out tons better being pushed out from the inside out instead of the outside in, actually wacked them out with a rubber mallet easily. The installation of the new bushings was a bear though. Just food for thought if you ever have to do any again on a Honda bud.
JHartColorado same here and got them in with a 2x4 and a hammer
@@stephenv5332 Mine came out so easy, but I can't get the new Moog back in. Really don't want to have to order a press :(
Thank you so much for this excellent video. Without it, I wouldn't been able to do the job on my own.
You're very welcome, glad I could help!
we need more videos similar to this .... specially about the suspension
're a genius! Thanks for these videos I have the same car! I'm from Argentina!
Mucho gusto!
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Read about it, look in the Honda service manual, there are bits and pieces on forums all over.
You made it look a lot easier than ECG did and he still has my respect. Maybe they didn't make that tool yet when he shot his. I have this exact job to do on mine. Thanks.
Did you purchase your bushings online? I need to get ones for my CRV 2007 but in the dealership they are so damn expensive. 100 bucks each and I don't live in the US. I'm looking for something with a better price and quality
OK I removed the first T-arm, took it to a local guy with the new bushing. He said it wasn't too bad to do, with a press of course. I pounded the other one out and new one in myself. It worked out well. I got my bushings from Rock Auto. Just over 20 bucks each.
He just showed the highlghts. Those bolts are PITA to break. Not to mention, pulling out and pushing in those bushings.
I'm in California, in the valley. Rust isn't so much of a problem here.
Good Job....You can rent a press at Advance Auto for around $200; and when you take it back you get all of your money back.
Nice video. I'm looking at buying a Honda Pilot and one of the things I noticed is a bad bushing on the rear trailing arm. This makes me feel a bit better about the potential purchase now that I see how the job is done.
Yep, I'll have a video on it two Wednesdays from now!
If you dont have the tool, bush goes bit easier on its place when you put it on freezer over night before installing.
Sounds like a good idea, have you tried this? Mine was off by a couple mm, so there was no way it was going in (had to buy another).
There's nothing that says your car should last longer than the warranty (though most do). Rubber does not hold up over 15 years and 125,000 miles, I don't think there are any issues at all with the design. It's a cheap part that can be (somewhat easily) replaced.
Calm down on the contents their buddy 😂. Good to see you had good insight even 10 years ago.
So use a straight ruler to mark the original orientation of the bushing; but I'm assuming that the current orientation of the bushing it is in is for when the car was at stock height. I am currently at a mild drop of 0.75-1.00". Would the orientation of the bushing need to change in order for the difference in ride height?
I may eventually get into it, it seems there have been a few requests for motorcycle videos.
Did you have to pull the control arm toward the front of the car to line up the holes for the bushing after the top control arm is attached? Mine don't exactly line up and I am not talking about horizontally which would mean I didn't push in the busing enough or pushed it in too much but vertically
Great video. Thanks. Glad you did not have any stuck bolts
Nice to see a how-to video from you. Great job as always!
how long does it take you to do the job?
I'm thinking of change my bushing too
I'd like to know your opinion on polyurethane bushings, for both sports cars and daily drivers. Are they really bad for chassis in a long term, as some people say without further explanation?
getting ready to do my own car for this and your vid is awesome. great detail and simply explained. thanks bro!
Very welcome, good luck!
Yep, every Mon/Wed/Fri until the 16th!
Yep, it wasn't very fun or easy. Installing the coilovers was sadly a much easier task.
did you have any issues using the tool by hand with ratchet?
what a long way youve come. i remember the video when you got this integra then the S ha.
Someone correct me if I am wrong but the opening in the trailing arm is tapered and the proper direction of removal is to push the bushing out from the inside. But in this video he is doing it the opposite direction which could cause the opening in the arm to be damaged.
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Yes, you are correct! I forgot to publish it, but it is up now - my apologies!
I am puzzled by the configuration of the rear trailing arm where you have the toe adjustment link, trailing arm bushing ( pivot point) and the lower control arm. I'm puzzled because this looks like it will cause binding in the movement. I think the toe adjustment link should be on the opposite side of the arm. please explained
Thank you.
Thanks!
Simple and to the point great video,👍
If there is anyone in this world that can be called "knowledgeable", it'd be you.
You sir are a life saver! Thank you for this video brah!
Also if I messed up on measuring it to line it up with the ruler what is the best way to have it straight? Just eye ball it?
Does bad trailing arm bushings cause wobble ?
this was a big help, you just replace the bushing?. I thought they were telling me I had to replace the whole trailing arm. Is this true
John Walters they tell you to do this because it’s easier and quicker. Vs replacing just a bushing requires a press as such. When replacing a whole trailing arm its plug and play. As well as they would up sell you the wheel bearing together with the trailing arm.
@Engineering Explained,
In order to use this tool for the older integras (90-93), youll have to use an adapter? I just bought a tool on ebay and the seller says its just for the older integras, but i did some research and i couldnt find a tool available just for those years. So either the seller is wrong, or he has an ultra rare tool? he says he had in in storage for a long time. thank you
Thank you for posting. I'd like to share my experience.
I destroyed my compensator bushing getting it out of my '99 civic. The bushing race was rusted to the bolt and loosening the bolt pries open the toe adjust frame. Still better to heat it and melt wreck the bushing than to twist the captive nut in the toe adjust loose. Before you begin this project, you may want to have a couple of these 52341SR3000 compensator arms (was $20 ea from Rockauto) w/ bushings on hand as well as a few of these 90171-SR3-003 bolts from honda.com. When I get those parts, I'll try to cut the bushing race and bolt out and finish it.
I managed to replace the compensator arm.The captive nut in the toe adjust escaped, so I cut a small flap in the interior body to put it back.
I cut the old compensator arm bolt/bushing off with a sawsall. Then, I broke one of the Trailing arm bushing bolts right off. I should have known by how it creaked so loudly when I started turning it. Not sure what I should have done.. maybe exercise it back and forth more? I was reluctant to heat the head because the threads are 3cm up the shaft. I guess I'm cutting the unibody under the seat to get at that too. farm3.static.flickr.com/2665/3756066188_3da7c93b34_b.jpg shows me where to cut.
The X-tractor worked great both out and in, though I used a punch to line it up. It was kind of a struggle to get the trailing arm to hang low enough; I was worried about stressing the rest of the bushings.
I think they are ok,It's just the dealer that wants to make the sale I just order the trailing arm bushings online,I should get them next week.I will post the results after the installation,Happy new year.
Yep
What if the car is lowered, how do i degree these bushings? should i lower the car first?
Yes, kind of ridiculous, it could be done cheaper without it, but it made the process much easier.
What jack are you using? (Thanks for the video)!
hey man what do you study, mechanical engineering??
Hi man, Could you do a video on a Seamless Transmission, the one they have recently introduced into the MotoGp.
Nope, there will be a video once I have! :)
Is this a source of clunking over bumps. My bushings look pretty bad but a lot of the bushings under there are getting bad. Got 200k on them.
If they've never been changed I can almost guarantee they're bad, unfortunately.
They're 15 years old, it's no the manufacturers problem. Well out of warranty.
how do you learn to do these installs? where do you get your information
Sure, I don't mind getting my hands dirty, but when I have to operate a camera as well it's a lot easier to use gloves and take them off if I need to.
Well yes, but no one wanted to watch me do the same thing twice! :) (And I showed both the bushing at the end).
Hey, have seen you using that jack lifter F1 like, and I wonder how they work. If you could take a time and explain it in a video, it would be great, thanks.
Thanks man! I am bout to do it on my 1996 Honda Civic.
wow, mint under body. My bolts are rusted and seized.
1sikteg welcome to the life
Also when they are bad and you are doing a slalom like movement you will feel the rear end like it wants to step out on you which isn't good.
Did this become more paramount after the after market shock stiffness? I understand they need switched on a ten year/ 75-100k . But I am getting shocks soon but it seems ill be doing this too.
I need to do this soon, but my main question is where can you get the puller tools? do they rent them at auto part stores or is it a special tool you have to buy.
eBay or Amazon to buy. Somebody say rent at advance auto parts
Hey. Great video, very helpful. Thanks!
question: why is it necessary t make the marks while weight is on (tires on the ground)? wouldnt it still be the same if you made marks while the arm is disconnected? I did what you said anyway, it just doesnt make sense to me.
Thanks again
Roland L he didn't make marks when the arm was disconnected. You must of missed that as he didn't film it
How did you know for sure was the bushings and not just the trailing arm?
Nice work, could you tell me how this bushings affect the driving? does it make the whole car body shake or move side to side?
it will affect the way the rear end turns if it is worn or possibly even torn your rear end will fell really loose and sway a lot when turning
Gonna be doing this soon very helpful
*What Brand Trailing Arm Bushing did he use?*
I've been told AC Delco or AC Delco Professional make garbage parts.
And for an item like this in the aftermarket to go with Moog.
How do you know these have gone bad what signs are you looking for?
Nothing, they're the same. I'm bad at saying whatever may be correct, but ultimately they're both multiplied together so it doesn't bother me.
Would this particular bushing cause creaking in the rear when you're coming to a stop? That is to say when your vehicle's weight transfers to the front then goes back to the rear. I have this problem in my 2000 Civic coupe most noticeably when I brake hard.
+Jimmy M I've been hearing the same thing on my Civic. Any luck with yours? Annoying tick tick noise when I take off or when I'm coming to a stop.
check your top hat where the spring meets up with the rubber this being out of place or damaged can cause noise very easily
Thanks for the reply. I'm going to go ahead and order a new quick strut as these were getting pretty worn out anyway.
Thanks,nice video,gives me some idea of how I could do my mk1 focus although I think I might have to remove the whole arm first
what a mess. I replaced the trailing arm bushings in my 2001 Honda CRV (LI rust belt). to remove the bolt from the toe compensator, I had to heat it destroying the bushing and caused the nut that is encased in the body to dislodge. wound up having to buy a new toe compensator link and cutting an access hole in the body to hold the nut while replacing the bolt that holda the link to the body
I may have to end up doing that with my Mazda, the sway bar nut that is welded to the chassis is stripped. But I now have a welder, so I may go that route when I get better at using it, lol.
i have to do my rears and this vid help give me a great insight for when im ready to do minds nice vid
Thanks, glad you found it helpful!
Do I need an alignment after this?
YES
Heads up, the link to the written article and product links is broken
Will a 98 or 99 Acura integra trail arm bushing fit on a 98 civic coupe ex
Do you need to grease the trailing arm bushing ?
How About your after market intake manifold did you already installed it?
Do you have a link for the extractor tool you used?
I'm going to do my 2000 honda civic , Unfortunately i don't have the money to buy the tool that pushes the bushing out...I guess i can use a regular clamp....how hard was it after the wd40 to push the bushing out? Thanks in advance for your time.
It was honestly pretty challenging to get them out, but even worse was getting them in. Getting them out could be done with fairly basic tools, the other bit is a tad more difficult. Regardless, having shop do it could easily be $400-$800, so the tool seemed well worth it. Good luck!
Bud Arnold Yeah you can do it that way also but it's more work. The press makes it easier
next time if u used a Lil bearing greased. lube the bushing housing will go in like butter
There's no way I'd get the new one in properly without a tool. It may be possible however to hammer them out, but it certainly wouldn't have been as easy for me.
Any thoughts thanks
Hello Sir, This video has been a great help to me. I use FORD FIGO ( INDIA)
Local mechanics say that my car bushings are worn out. While driving into ditches like ups and downs i hear a sound in my car like krrrrrrr.... Is it the symptom that my bushings are wornout.. Please reply asap.. thanks again for the video sir :)
It could be, you can always ask the mechanics to show you. never huts to ask. See what they're replacing before they actually do it.
Engineering Explained OKay Thank you :)
If one lives in an area where this snow and salt sprayed on the road a result, don't attempt to loosen that bolt at 3:06 of this video, without using a blow torch. Doing so will likely snap the head.
Has anyone tried using a ball joint press? If so, does it work?
what does this do exactly and what are the forces on it
Hello Engineering Explained, Thanks for sharing this. I've just watched your vid above and see it took you 15 mins to replace left side, even if it took you 30 mins per side (vid editing etc), not bad right? I have a 2000 Honda Civic (121K miles) and the dealership is quoting me $900+ in labor to replace both rear trailing arm bushings, the voicemail he left me yesterday evening said the job required alot of 'labor'. Is he serious or am I being taken for a proverbial 'ride'? Any advise you have in terms of how much estimated for part and how long estimated to complete both left and right rear would be much appreciated. Many thanks, keep up the awesome work.
Okay, I'll give you what it took me as an inexperienced car guy without a proper lift. Parts should be no more than $30 each, though they can be found for less. Labor, if you know what you're doing, shouldn't be more than 45 minutes per side. I bought the tool and everything all together was probably less than $200. I'd expect a 2 hour labor charge at minimum though.
Does anyone know why would my rear wheels on my 2000 Honda Civic Lx have excessive camber ?
the bushing x tractor theyou use can fit on a ford focus 2008 bushing???
Hope anyone is reading this in 2016, say I have a bushing from energy suspension, or prothane, the kind where the metal piece in the middle is separate from the bushing, does it mean I don't have to bother with the angle and using the whiteout?
Wei Wang sorry 2018 now
I'm guessing there was a change in ride quality?
Thanks 4 responding
Winding the bushing out the wrong side.
quisiera que tambien, lo pasara en español gracias ,muy bien detallado .
Jason, do more videos like this :p