It's more likely to become a common phrase that enters our collective lexicon... and some linguistics PhD in 100 years will unearth this video in their search for the origins of this phrase
those who bought the AP Diver used right after watching this video last year must be so happy. It has since jumped in price by USD 6k and surpassing even Rolex Hulk prices.
After accidentally discovering this channel a week ago, I've been binge watching daily. I've never been a watch person, I wear a cheap digital Timex or Casio on occasion. When I was actively flying I would wear a cheapish watch with rotating bezel; I forget the brand. BUT, I now so want to own a Rolex or Omega, etc. before I die because of your videos. I really do much appreciate the mechanical wizardry of these fine watches, much like my decades long love affair with mechanical 35 mm cameras.
@RS2002 Sorry, but that's simply wrong. Rolex is NOT manipulating the market... it's not a monopoly. Its sinply doing what every successful provider of Luxury goods wants to do (most cant). Are you truly that dense?
Sandouras Why does exclusivity have to be based on price alone? Would you rather prefer that the price is so exorbitant that it’s out of reach (which is what AP does) or that you have to “wait your turn” at the AD?
The sub is an absolute dream piece for myself. I’ve always had a soft spot for dive watch’s above all else. The fact that they are rugged ready to go pieces but also look completely in place if you’re wearing a suit and tie really shows how versatile they are. Plus my first watch which cemented my love of watch’s was my dads old citizen pro master diver which he never took off. The submariner i think is the perfect watch all round, and being that it was the watch to start dive watch’s makes them so extra special
I got gifted a Tudor Black Bay 58, and I've never been much for Sporty wacthes; infact I hate bracelets and tend to learn towards owning a JLC Reverso and Cartier Tank. I do have to say, the Tudor Black Bay 58 has to be my favourite watch. It's beautiful, and in my honest opinion; knocks the Submariner out of the ball park.
I bought a Tudor black bay 58 for half the price and I’m very pleased with it and it was very easy to get via an up market high street jewellers in the UK
Not a big fan of the AP, never cared for that shape, but I’d take it over the Rolex since that’s what compared here. But if I were putting my cash down on the counter today, it be the new Omega Seamaster 300M
The AP is a scratch magnet which also relies on being perfect to show off its good looks. The service costs are higher because AP insist on doing everything even when just a service would do. AP might have a better movement but its a delicate dress watch movement that will be less durable than the Rolex (I'm speaking from bitter experience when it comes to the AP of course)
I have an AP and its scratched up as well, but I love every little scratch. The petina of a watch does not make it loose value, plus watches are meant to be enjoyed so where it without fear!
True. APs are fragile and delicate. Had troubles with mine ROO twice in the course of 2 years ownership. And the service and parts are outrageously expensive. Rolexes on the other hand are workhorses, able to take on heavy and hard use, almost never giving you problems.
@PaulThorpeWatchDealer You are the biggest and most shady dishonest watch dealer EVER!!! The only difference between you and your thief son is that he was CAUGHT as thief!!!
I am the happy owner of an AP diver and a Rolex 16710 Pepsi. Every day I tend to pick the AP because it truly feels more special. However,... I wear my Rolex the most because it is more compact and feels slightly more practical. I See it as owning a Lamborghini Huracan and a Porsche 911. Both cars are very solid and perfect for daily, but you will never pick the Lambo as the daily car because it is way more delicate and unique.
As a guy who owns both watches, I can say that my Sub gets much more wrist time. Probably because most of the people I have met mistook the AP for an Hublot, which pretty bothers me considering the price. 😄
The question for me is: Get a Grand Seiko Spring Drive GMT SBGE201G for half of the price? In terms of quality/movement/finish grand seiko is where compare to Rolex and AP...between?
Buy a second hand grand Seiko. Best thing you'll ever do. They are a better watch they just currently depreciate. Let someone else take the retail hit and you'll never go wrong. I've got many watches but my GS diver is special.
Y A Watches like these shouldn’t even be sold back. Their pieces of art that should be passed down, unless times get real tough. Would love to have a Rolex or a grand seiko ahah
@@centrallyintelligentagency Called out. It is a time tested luxury watch that does exactly what it is suppose to and it is in demand. Is it you that does not like facts.
bighand69 I don’t mind the facts. I mind the motivation behind them. Do I care that Rolex makes a good product? Not really; this has been known forever. Do I think that the individuals who worship Rolex need to think outside of their comfort zone for once? Most definitely.
@@sow4now Google : Peugeot 905 Le Mans race win Peugeot 908 HDi FAP Le Mans race wins Peugeot 208 T16 Pike's Peak 875hp 875 kg (Sebastien Loeb's record car) Peugeot 405 405 T16 GR Rallye and Pike's Peak wins and record Peugeot 205 T16 aka Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Rallye (1984 to 1986) Peugeot 206 WRC Rallye (2000 to 2002) Peugeot E-Legend Concept (autonomous level 4 superior to Tesla yet forbidden to use in Europe) The history of crafted automobiles laughs at your uneducated comment :-)
Amazing that you talk about the inflated price of Rolex watches when you are part of the problem. It’s you guys buying the watches from scalpers and trickle feeding them out making them seem hard to get that in part drives the prices higher. Now you make these videos like you are some kinda uninvolved third party that didn’t have a hand in it. You did!
The moral of story is do you really need a dive watch. The answer is simple if you do not dive then no you do not need them. A Explore 1 would be more than enough for many people as would an Oyster. There are many great watch brands out there offering fantastic watches such JLC, girard perregaux, Nomos, Seiko, Omega and so on for half the price of a Submariner. Now if you want to dive and also own a luxury watch a Submariner is the perfect choice.
The sub is the most legendary dive watch in the world for a reason. Rolex keeps getting knocked for some reason but as a watch nerd my self I consider Rolex one of the best watch brands in the world. Rolex has been the most worshipped watch brand for decades and we all know marketing can get you up there but quality will KEEP you up there. The Royal oak is my personal grail time piece. Great video as always.
People knock Rolex mostly because they’re dying to get one but they can’t, unless they pay high premium on the Grey Market for it. You can’t just walk in a store and ask for a Sub. Not everyone understands this reality. An unknowing person who walks in to a Rolex store ready to buy a watch and gets told no, will most probably knock the brand for not selling them one.
Definitely AP. Seriously, I've been around some very snooty, very snobbish crowds albeit serious watch crowds and they talk about Rolex like it's something they gift their schoolboy nephews. One of the people even mentioned Rolex thinks too highly of its brand when in reality people isn't actually looking for Rolex anymore at an AD. The only reason there's a myth about the supply is when you ask an AD if they have a Sub, of course they will say "oh you need to buy it in cash" or "there is a more than 6 months wait" rather than "oh we have 3 in the back and 5 more coming". Another reminded me that technically Rolex isn't really in-house as they just bought their movement maker to make movements exclusively. So she told me how is that any different than Richemont buying Eterna who makes ETA? If Rolex start making movements for other makers, then they will fall decades behind due to their non-improving design. I tend to believe that... Rolex doesn't really have anything more compared to the other makers other than their clout of exclusivity.
I got my Sub at retail from the AD and the most affordable Royal Oak (>37mm) I found was three times what I payed for the Sub, so to me it's a no-brainer...
@@smashexentertainment676 You're right...when comparing prices I filtered out anything under 38 and over 42, so the 'Offshore' version (44mm) was filtered out. But it's still about twice the price of the Sub at retail, especially if you take the real Sub (no date) like I did, and bought it at the old (pre-'20) price of €6900.
Actually I loved the submariner aesthetics since I was a kid buying my first watch almost 25 years ago looking similar to the submariner. That’s how much I love it. Bought mine 6 years ago just walked in to an AD and it was sitting there so it was not a hype ar intense buying. For me ( and I am not comparing the Movements or finishing) I felt like the offshore is a childish watch and tooooo bulky for my taste I think of it more like a fashion thing (unlike the Royal oak which I love and respect and considering it in the future if I have the funds to do that) so, thank you I am sticking to my much loved submariner whether it’s too common or if it’s not available due to hoardings
I’ve been collecting timepieces for over 30 years and never have i sent a watch in for “scheduled” service....with that being said, the AP is the superior choice.
We are in 2022 now and there is no more depreciation for AP divers. Thanks to this video I suppose :) Twice a Submariner on a secondary market as well.
Rolex has a very limited supply of watches on the market place. The reason why they are hard to get and expensive is due to the fact people like them and want them and there is limited supply.
I think some of the "transitional" watches will drop off sharply (transitional meaning entry point high end watches that "commoners" can afford). The true high end timepieces won't be affected much, if at all, due to the fact that the people who buy them are essentially recession proof.
The sub is by no means a “good looking watch”. It has a bulky case a narrow bracelet and unbalanced dial/face staring at you all day long. And it’s everywhere.... It’s like having a G-shock in middle school.
What can you say about the Chinese tourbillon watches coming out in the market? The ERA, Aventi and even Ciga ( though not tourbillon). They cost 1 percent of the branded tourbillon.
For me the Rolex. Not persé because of the name but more because it looks solid but stil is beautifull and elegant. Also because the design is timeless, it will always look modern and wearable. And yes, also because it is a Rolex with all bennefits for the future like keeping up the value, being timeless and easy to find a servicepoint from an AD.
I had the opportunity to try an Audemars Piguet Royal Oak and a Rolex Submariner on my wrist. I remember the more magical feeling I had on my wrist when I put on the AP. After I left the store however, my mind couldn't help but think about how much I love the Submariner more. I would still take a Submariner over a Royal Oak. I wonder if the reason why I loved the Royal Oak so much in that moment was due to sheer rarity and the history of Gerald Genta in my head.
Yes. What’s the question? I’m saving up for a Sub. Already have the Speedy Pro. Then GS spring drive dress watch and a bunch of Casios and I’ll be set.
This all being said it should still be comfortable to wear and I've got to say that AP just isn't comfortable at all It literally feels twice as big as the Submariner on my wrist. I would definitely suggest trying them both on to compare.
if we are talking about maintenance over the next ten years there is also a question of market over the next ten years. The Rolex bubble could burst and the price of the sub could go down below its retail price and in the case the Rolex would cost way more to own
Thanks for another sagacious piece on best practices. I had made the mistake a while ago when I bought an old automatic chronograph that ended up costing more in maintenance and repairs than the initial purchase. Needless to say, it's a "museum" piece now more than practical wear.
If you’re a real watch enthusiast you know that buying an AP, PP, or VC for the same price as a Sub gives you a much better quality product in terms of watchmaking. But at the end of the day it all comes down to taste and preference.
I would go for the rolex in this comparison. Would only choose the AP if it was a classic steel royal oak. Offshores are just way too sporty for my liking. Also, subs are tool watches. They will look good and run good forever. Simply timeless.
There’s about 10 diver watches I’d take over the AP even without price being considered. Submariner, GP Sea hawk, GS spring drive diver, Pam submersible 959, Fifty fathoms blue dial, Omega seamaster 300 white dial, UN deep dive diver, Bell and Ross 03-92 blue, just off the top of my head. The AP diver turquoise dial is amazing though.
I'd like to say the AP, but getting a watch that has already depreciated thousands of pounds sure is scary compared to a frankly boring Submariner which if looked after carefully will hold it's value or even appreciate. I also of the wrists of a child so it just wouldn't fit me.
Love the AP.... BUT..... read a few more reviews. You get a rubber strap so straight away your on "half a watch" The AP movement is a very slim and fragile construction which is used in other AP models despite the massive outer proportions which may lead you into thinking its a "Bombproof"...... but as the critic correctly states, the cost and regularity of servicing is of great consideration. All this comparison with Rolex is a nonsense really. It is what "you perceive" and if you have the cash for the AP and its what you want and the exclusivity that goes with it ..do the deal !
Ok, how about this.... Option 1. The sub. Possibly the world's most recognisable and represented luxury watch. Option 2. The AP 'sponsor of every golf pro in history' watch. Which will leave you wishing you'd been able to afford the royal oak instead. Or.... Option 3. Tudor black bay 58 Grand Seiko 37mm quartz and a second hand JLC master ultra thin moon phase. An almost perfect three watch collection for the same money from three of the most value for money luxury brands. And trust me, you'll love the 37mm GS the most.
I wud pich the more precise watch, regardless the brand. A mechanical watch challenging quartz, thats the name of the game. Rolex is vry near, but Omega is nearer, provide3d golden regulator hands... By the way, I bought a BLIGER GMT for $78, just to fool myself. Aft receipt I regulated it with timegrapher to +2 to + 3s/d, Seagull, now for 7 months steady. So, what to say? I keep my 1978 Sub in the safe (Last service cost $500), wear the BLIGER... Cheers fm Singapore, the Lion City.
Definitely- Rolex submariner is boring and lack of innovation, I will take the AP without even thinking about it ... I went for the Glashütte SeaQ Panorama Datum tho ...
Totally. While still boring, a modern Planet ocean from Omega is a way better watch than the Submariner. Equally or more tough and certainly more innovative. I'll take a fifty fathoms however
Submariner is a genuine robust dive watch. I cannot say that for many other dive watches out there. Omega is not what they used to be and they have increased in price as well.
Can say what you want about the AP, the sub still looks better :P The sub will continue to look current, that AP model will be obsolete in 5-15 years from now.
Grimmer2006 nah...that AP shape has been cool since the 1970’s, it’s not going to look uncool any time soon and it’s in a different watchmaking league from the massively copied, and therefore ubiquitous, Rolex.
It wouldn’t be a "predicament" for me…because the only one I could afford would be a Submariner sold on a corner on Canal Street. And I personally doubt they carry any APs. 🤣
Great video as usual and with a lot of reason. I bought Rolex in the golden era of 2011-2014, and even than old, weathered Rolex collectors were considering the prices asked as crazy. So it’s Great to have these alternatives. Keep up the good work and stay safe and healthy, cheers from Germany, Konstantin 🙏🏻
At this point, I'm already tired of seeing Rolex Subs. Don't get me wrong, they're really, really good looking watches and even I wanted one before, but with the difficulty in buying one (I refuse to pay resale prices) and the hype and videos...I'm kind of over it. I'm not hating on Rolex. I'm just tired of the Sub.
Though every swipe at Rolex is both justified and warranted, I tire of hearing about the crown AT ALL. They’ve gotten their fair share of free press for offering mid tier luxury watches for High Horologie prices. I sold mine. Won’t be getting another unless prices return from the range of idiots and fools that they’re in now.
Yeah, the AP diver is nice but wait to it comes time to service your AP, you/ll only wish you had bought the Sub & you don't even get the awesome Rolex bracelet & clasp. You forgot to mention the price of service was for basic service, wait to you need to pay for AP parts & trust me you can pretty much count on needing parts replacement on a AP. Ferrari services prices goes along with owning a Ferrari no matter how cheap the entrance fee is to get in. Welcome to the big leagues.
Given the spectacular rise in Sub values (even used examples) I think a buyer could be looking at a direct choice between the Rolex and a Blancpain Fifty Fathoms. For me, if that were ever a choice, I would be rocking the FF and loving the fact that everyone is wondering why I would want a watch named after the staple product of a bakery?
Rampant Pygmy Blancpain Fifty Fathoms is just way in another level than a simple Rolex sub , I went for Glashütte SeaQ Panorama Datum tho ... even over the Blancpain
I pick a solid 18k gold 1965 omega Seamaster Deville, and $7700 in change. It’s on my wrist now, along with my Vostok Amphibia SE. Every day. And keeps time well within COSC specs.
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“Hoarding them like toilet roll” in a few years someone will watch this video and be so confused at the reference.
It's more likely to become a common phrase that enters our collective lexicon... and some linguistics PhD in 100 years will unearth this video in their search for the origins of this phrase
I don’t think anyone will be confused. literally the whole world is under lockdown for a history-book-content global pandemic after all.
@@NickonStark but in 30 years... (New generation)
Anonymous we’ll be the old guys telling our kids all about how they don’t know the half of it. that we ain’t had no TP for a whole damn year!
Sadly History has a bad habit of getting rewritten and changed over the years, ignored many times 🧐
The thumbnail made me think its a Japanese watch
Lool
Nice
Well played, Sir.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH YOU CHEEKY SNEAKY
Japanese watches don't count here
those who bought the AP Diver used right after watching this video last year must be so happy. It has since jumped in price by USD 6k and surpassing even Rolex Hulk prices.
After accidentally discovering this channel a week ago, I've been binge watching daily. I've never been a watch person, I wear a cheap digital Timex or Casio on occasion. When I was actively flying I would wear a cheapish watch with rotating bezel; I forget the brand. BUT, I now so want to own a Rolex or Omega, etc. before I die because of your videos. I really do much appreciate the mechanical wizardry of these fine watches, much like my decades long love affair with mechanical 35 mm cameras.
Dad's rule:
Don't bite off more than you can chew.
I see a lot of chocking coming.
hahha strongly agree
That dent at 5:19 must have hurt all the way into previous owners soul when it happened.
it's supposed to be a " tool " watch after all .... LOL !!!
Mine has dents and I love them :)
haha no doubt!
Lmao hahahahahah
@@BY-jp7sg mine has 2 dent on the left side, and I still love it
Just wouldn’t be a watchfinder&co video without a few swipes at Rolex.
RS2002
Sure but no one faults Ferrari when they do it.
@@CaptShane-sy7lr Sure they do. Ferrari are known to be massive cunts in the world of cars.
Don't you mean, "wipes" with how high the demand is? Lol
@RS2002 Sorry, but that's simply wrong. Rolex is NOT manipulating the market... it's not a monopoly. Its sinply doing what every successful provider of Luxury goods wants to do (most cant). Are you truly that dense?
Sandouras
Why does exclusivity have to be based on price alone?
Would you rather prefer that the price is so exorbitant that it’s out of reach (which is what AP does) or that you have to “wait your turn” at the AD?
The sub is an absolute dream piece for myself. I’ve always had a soft spot for dive watch’s above all else. The fact that they are rugged ready to go pieces but also look completely in place if you’re wearing a suit and tie really shows how versatile they are. Plus my first watch which cemented my love of watch’s was my dads old citizen pro master diver which he never took off. The submariner i think is the perfect watch all round, and being that it was the watch to start dive watch’s makes them so extra special
I don’t like the offshore. I’d much rather have a modern sized Royal Oak
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Royal Oak is for royalty tho
Definetly the AP. It's just more special...
Ugly
@@joaomendes2454 I agree
@@joaomendes2454 Subjectively ugly. I like them.
I find it rather ugly though.
Anonymous Why is everyone so desperate to be special? Just buy whatever you like.
I got gifted a Tudor Black Bay 58, and I've never been much for Sporty wacthes; infact I hate bracelets and tend to learn towards owning a JLC Reverso and Cartier Tank. I do have to say, the Tudor Black Bay 58 has to be my favourite watch. It's beautiful, and in my honest opinion; knocks the Submariner out of the ball park.
Well,I think I would go with a Seamaster 300 instead. Cheers Oni
Oooh you mean that asymmetrical 2-horned *FUGLY* watch?
No thx.
@@SpaghettiKillah exactly 😉
@@sonnys4766 great London style! 👍
😹 I take a Sub all day
I have both AP Diver and Rolex SUB. AP Diver is on another level!
Have my eye on a Fifty Fathoms myself. The Sub is way too common.
Yeah
But desirable
Top choice,so want a Bathyscaphe!
Ferrous HeartedHelmet try Baltic.
Had a Bathyscaphe. It had play on the bezel, i was very dissapointed and sold it. *Swatch Group Classic*
I bought a Tudor black bay 58 for half the price and I’m very pleased with it and it was very easy to get via an up market high street jewellers in the UK
Very good choice indeed...😍
Better looking than either of these 👍🏻
Just got mine a few days ago. Lovely watch.
Bought the bb58 returned and got a sub. Bb58 is gorgeous but the gilt dials just isn’t me. Future classic for sure! Can’t wait for a bb58 gmt.
Enrique Florendo nice! Got a sub just like that?
Not a big fan of the AP, never cared for that shape, but I’d take it over the Rolex since that’s what compared here. But if I were putting my cash down on the counter today, it be the new Omega Seamaster 300M
Totally agreed, it is such an incredible watch especially for the money
Omega all the way! A seamaster, speedmaster and plenty of change from a sub is a no brainer in my eyes.
Ask anybody on the street one watch brand and everybody will know Rolex. Ask them AP and they will think you are talking about a medical exam.
@@bighands69 so that makes it bad?
Ask someone if they know you and they won't give a shit
E S 300M with a white dial 👍🏻
I absolutely love love your videos. So well made. No silly stuff in the beginning. You intro and you go.
And that voice!
I would honestly get a zenith el primero defy and an omega seamaster 300m for the price
Rolex are like Toyota in that they are everywhere. Easy to service and also to sell.
The AP is a scratch magnet which also relies on being perfect to show off its good looks. The service costs are higher because AP insist on doing everything even when just a service would do. AP might have a better movement but its a delicate dress watch movement that will be less durable than the Rolex (I'm speaking from bitter experience when it comes to the AP of course)
I have an AP and its scratched up as well, but I love every little scratch. The petina of a watch does not make it loose value, plus watches are meant to be enjoyed so where it without fear!
True. APs are fragile and delicate. Had troubles with mine ROO twice in the course of 2 years ownership. And the service and parts are outrageously expensive. Rolexes on the other hand are workhorses, able to take on heavy and hard use, almost never giving you problems.
Nasty mark on that AP Bezel. Give me the AP all day long!
Agreed I too wld take the AP any day all day !
@PaulThorpeWatchDealer You are the biggest and most shady dishonest watch dealer EVER!!! The only difference between you and your thief son is that he was CAUGHT as thief!!!
Sa Bok got proof to back that up? Fool...
Paul Thorpe Watch Dealer hi Paul! Keep up the good work, mate!
All day and night long with the AP 😛
I am the happy owner of an AP diver and a Rolex 16710 Pepsi. Every day I tend to pick the AP because it truly feels more special. However,... I wear my Rolex the most because it is more compact and feels slightly more practical. I See it as owning a Lamborghini Huracan and a Porsche 911. Both cars are very solid and perfect for daily, but you will never pick the Lambo as the daily car because it is way more delicate and unique.
Could u have a look at the Glashütte original seaq
As a guy who owns both watches, I can say that my Sub gets much more wrist time. Probably because most of the people I have met mistook the AP for an Hublot, which pretty bothers me considering the price. 😄
AP is Better one to buy here. Although I am in no position to afford the either.. but my choice would be AP out of these two.
Better is subjective
AP is a very well crafted watch but it is not as well know or easy to find as Rolex. In terms of brand Rolex like Coca Cola is well known.
The question for me is: Get a Grand Seiko Spring Drive GMT SBGE201G for half of the price? In terms of quality/movement/finish grand seiko is where compare to Rolex and AP...between?
TRUE
Buy a second hand grand Seiko. Best thing you'll ever do. They are a better watch they just currently depreciate.
Let someone else take the retail hit and you'll never go wrong. I've got many watches but my GS diver is special.
Guilherme Leite when you buy seiko you’ll lose money when you buy a Rolex you’ll get your money back with profit. So economically the Rolex is cheaper
Y A Watches like these shouldn’t even be sold back. Their pieces of art that should be passed down, unless times get real tough. Would love to have a Rolex or a grand seiko ahah
Huge prestige and aspiration in owning a SEIKO ???
It's time to pull the plug on Rolex and their ADs shenanigans and use your money for something else.
We hold the power of decisions...not them.
The public votes with their wallet. The vote is in. AP is too much trouble to service. Better to go Patek if you're going to go that route...
Chris Damn, someone’s salty about Rolex getting called out!
@@centrallyintelligentagency
Called out. It is a time tested luxury watch that does exactly what it is suppose to and it is in demand. Is it you that does not like facts.
bighand69 I don’t mind the facts. I mind the motivation behind them. Do I care that Rolex makes a good product? Not really; this has been known forever. Do I think that the individuals who worship Rolex need to think outside of their comfort zone for once? Most definitely.
"Which would you choose?" The Jaeger-LeCoultre Master Ultra Thin Moonphase
JLC Master Ultra Thin Perpetual Calendar is heavy underrated.
I swear - if I see one more TH-cam video with a Sub in it, I'll instantly die of boredom...
Please rewatch this video immediately.
Chris bwahahahahahaha 🤣🤣
Stop looking at watches then. The Sub is an iconic watch whether you like it or not.
I just cannot understand that for £20.000 the screws are not exactly in the same form as the hole they are in
Or get an Omega diver for half the cost, twice the specs, and 4x the availability. Why not?
catcat40000 seamaster aquaterra is enough
It's not a Rolex
Agree. Omega is likely the best bag for your buck in your stated range.
@@conqwiztadore2213 you're saying that like it's a bad thing, lol
@jrad044 tbh, by specs alone, a Sub is a 1-2k watch at best
The Sub was built as a tool and evolved as an expensive homage to a tool. The AP is an homage to watchmaking.
Lmao
weiniesail 😂🤣 As Peugeot is an homage to finally crafted automobiles.
@@sow4now Google :
Peugeot 905 Le Mans race win
Peugeot 908 HDi FAP Le Mans race wins
Peugeot 208 T16 Pike's Peak 875hp 875 kg (Sebastien Loeb's record car)
Peugeot 405 405 T16 GR Rallye and Pike's Peak wins and record
Peugeot 205 T16 aka Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 Rallye (1984 to 1986)
Peugeot 206 WRC Rallye (2000 to 2002)
Peugeot E-Legend Concept (autonomous level 4 superior to Tesla yet forbidden to use in Europe)
The history of crafted automobiles laughs at your uneducated comment :-)
Had you shown the movement of the AP I think that would have sealed the deal
Amazing that you talk about the inflated price of Rolex watches when you are part of the problem. It’s you guys buying the watches from scalpers and trickle feeding them out making them seem hard to get that in part drives the prices higher. Now you make these videos like you are some kinda uninvolved third party that didn’t have a hand in it. You did!
Discover more exceptional reviews at Watchfinder.Every review is a masterpiece,thank you for that and keep up.👍👍👍
The moral of the story is buy the Rolex new and the AP used.
The moral of story is do you really need a dive watch. The answer is simple if you do not dive then no you do not need them.
A Explore 1 would be more than enough for many people as would an Oyster. There are many great watch brands out there offering fantastic watches such JLC, girard perregaux, Nomos, Seiko, Omega and so on for half the price of a Submariner.
Now if you want to dive and also own a luxury watch a Submariner is the perfect choice.
bighand69 most people need a dive watch like I need a lume on a Muller crazy hour !
hahah I agree
Patience is the key to watch collecting. Go to your AD, get on the list and get the Rolex. Wear it, see if you enjoy it, then sell it.
Always hated how the AP hex screwheads don't sit straight in their holes. And what's with the screwdriver slot on a hex head screw anyway!
The sub is the most legendary dive watch in the world for a reason. Rolex keeps getting knocked for some reason but as a watch nerd my self I consider Rolex one of the best watch brands in the world. Rolex has been the most worshipped watch brand for decades and we all know marketing can get you up there but quality will KEEP you up there. The Royal oak is my personal grail time piece. Great video as always.
Rolex rarely markets the watch yet everybody knows about the brand.
People knock Rolex mostly because they’re dying to get one but they can’t, unless they pay high premium on the Grey Market for it. You can’t just walk in a store and ask for a Sub. Not everyone understands this reality. An unknowing person who walks in to a Rolex store ready to buy a watch and gets told no, will most probably knock the brand for not selling them one.
Definitely AP. Seriously, I've been around some very snooty, very snobbish crowds albeit serious watch crowds and they talk about Rolex like it's something they gift their schoolboy nephews. One of the people even mentioned Rolex thinks too highly of its brand when in reality people isn't actually looking for Rolex anymore at an AD. The only reason there's a myth about the supply is when you ask an AD if they have a Sub, of course they will say "oh you need to buy it in cash" or "there is a more than 6 months wait" rather than "oh we have 3 in the back and 5 more coming". Another reminded me that technically Rolex isn't really in-house as they just bought their movement maker to make movements exclusively. So she told me how is that any different than Richemont buying Eterna who makes ETA? If Rolex start making movements for other makers, then they will fall decades behind due to their non-improving design. I tend to believe that... Rolex doesn't really have anything more compared to the other makers other than their clout of exclusivity.
I got my Sub at retail from the AD and the most affordable Royal Oak (>37mm) I found was three times what I payed for the Sub, so to me it's a no-brainer...
The Royal Oak from video is $15K brand new, the particular Sub is $10K.
Any steel sport Rolex at retail is a no-brainer, isn't it?
Jean Raspail yeah, sell it and get a few better watches
@@jeanraspail2979 mostly yeah, although there are some models I don't really like (Explorer II, Airking...)
@@smashexentertainment676 You're right...when comparing prices I filtered out anything under 38 and over 42, so the 'Offshore' version (44mm) was filtered out. But it's still about twice the price of the Sub at retail, especially if you take the real Sub (no date) like I did, and bought it at the old (pre-'20) price of €6900.
Actually I loved the submariner aesthetics since I was a kid buying my first watch almost 25 years ago looking similar to the submariner. That’s how much I love it. Bought mine 6 years ago just walked in to an AD and it was sitting there so it was not a hype ar intense buying. For me ( and I am not comparing the Movements or finishing) I felt like the offshore is a childish watch and tooooo bulky for my taste I think of it more like a fashion thing (unlike the Royal oak which I love and respect and considering it in the future if I have the funds to do that) so, thank you I am sticking to my much loved submariner whether it’s too common or if it’s not available due to hoardings
Never buy a Rolex over MSRP, never. If you think you can't you are just not doing it right.
I’ve been collecting timepieces for over 30 years and never have i sent a watch in for “scheduled” service....with that being said, the AP is the superior choice.
We are in 2022 now and there is no more depreciation for AP divers. Thanks to this video I suppose :) Twice a Submariner on a secondary market as well.
Please do a review of Jaeger-LeCoultre reverso duo face
@@pradeep2662 Lmao why can't an Indian ask for this?
@@pradeep2662 why can't I as an Indian ask for a particular watch to be reviewed?
I think we’re about to see a cliff edge on most watch prices. How steep - who knows.
Rolex has a very limited supply of watches on the market place. The reason why they are hard to get and expensive is due to the fact people like them and want them and there is limited supply.
I think some of the "transitional" watches will drop off sharply (transitional meaning entry point high end watches that "commoners" can afford). The true high end timepieces won't be affected much, if at all, due to the fact that the people who buy them are essentially recession proof.
Would rather have the submariner on looks alone
Indeed.
With this mindset is the reason why they are so many fashion watches out there . 'Because of the looks'
@@horologywatchmaking13 fashion watches look hideous and cheap most of the time. More for accessories to match outfits / looks
The sub is by no means a “good looking watch”. It has a bulky case a narrow bracelet and unbalanced dial/face staring at you all day long. And it’s everywhere.... It’s like having a G-shock in middle school.
Sorry, I choose Rolex .I owned them both and the AP can't withstand what the Sub does. The Sub is a worry free megatank, the AP not so much...
What can you say about the Chinese tourbillon watches coming out in the market? The ERA, Aventi and even Ciga ( though not tourbillon). They cost 1 percent of the branded tourbillon.
The Rolex is a watch that you buy to show off. The AP is a watch that you buy for yourself
Ugly
Never. AP always
I will just keep my Rolex sub
For me the Rolex. Not persé because of the name but more because it looks solid but stil is beautifull and elegant. Also because the design is timeless, it will always look modern and wearable. And yes, also because it is a Rolex with all bennefits for the future like keeping up the value, being timeless and easy to find a servicepoint from an AD.
I had the opportunity to try an Audemars Piguet Royal Oak and a Rolex Submariner on my wrist. I remember the more magical feeling I had on my wrist when I put on the AP. After I left the store however, my mind couldn't help but think about how much I love the Submariner more. I would still take a Submariner over a Royal Oak. I wonder if the reason why I loved the Royal Oak so much in that moment was due to sheer rarity and the history of Gerald Genta in my head.
For long term stability, service cost and daily wear-ability, there is no better choice than Rolex in entry and middle level of luxury watches.
Well said
I will pick a Seiko 5 Sports thank you very much.
Why not both? I own both the 116610LN and 15710ST. The sub as a beater watch while the diver as a weekend watch
Yes. What’s the question? I’m saving up for a Sub. Already have the Speedy Pro. Then GS spring drive dress watch and a bunch of Casios and I’ll be set.
Jacob A . So you think ! 😂
"Offshore Diver." AP will come up next with the model "Sky Aviator" for pilots.
Munrais I know plenty folk who are not offshore divers, to be petty, they’re offshore engineers on oil rigs, for instance.
This all being said it should still be comfortable to wear and I've got to say that AP just isn't comfortable at all
It literally feels twice as big as the Submariner on my wrist.
I would definitely suggest trying them both on to compare.
if we are talking about maintenance over the next ten years there is also a question of market over the next ten years. The Rolex bubble could burst and the price of the sub could go down below its retail price and in the case the Rolex would cost way more to own
I don't generally like the AP Royal Oak but this diver has me won over - I'd buy the AP!
£10K? I decided on a different route.. Omega SMP 300, Rolex OP39 and Tudor BB58. Needless to say, I’m not missing a Sub.
Thanks for another sagacious piece on best practices. I had made the mistake a while ago when I bought an old automatic chronograph that ended up costing more in maintenance and repairs than the initial purchase. Needless to say, it's a "museum" piece now more than practical wear.
If you’re a real watch enthusiast you know that buying an AP, PP, or VC for the same price as a Sub gives you a much better quality product in terms of watchmaking. But at the end of the day it all comes down to taste and preference.
The classic Royal Oak, not the Off Shore, is, together with the Nautilus my favorite watches. Gerald Genta was a genious.
The AP diver is by far the best AP model.....i know because I own several AP RO models
I would go for the rolex in this comparison. Would only choose the AP if it was a classic steel royal oak. Offshores are just way too sporty for my liking.
Also, subs are tool watches. They will look good and run good forever. Simply timeless.
Another reason why I think people paying extra for Rolex must have had a stroke. The bubble will burst.
The black submariner is the black suite, white shirt, black tie of watches. It's never gonna get old just because.
...and people think the helium escape valve on the Omega PO is a wart!
I would still get the submariner it's my favorite watch
There’s about 10 diver watches I’d take over the AP even without price being considered.
Submariner, GP Sea hawk, GS spring drive diver, Pam submersible 959, Fifty fathoms blue dial, Omega seamaster 300 white dial, UN deep dive diver, Bell and Ross 03-92 blue, just off the top of my head. The AP diver turquoise dial is amazing though.
I'd like to say the AP, but getting a watch that has already depreciated thousands of pounds sure is scary compared to a frankly boring Submariner which if looked after carefully will hold it's value or even appreciate. I also of the wrists of a child so it just wouldn't fit me.
Life's too short for boring, you never see a Brinks' truck following a hearse!
To be totally clear, I would buy the Rolex Sub 10 times out of 10 over the AP RO Offshore and not look back or think twice!
Thank God for that... Then again the AP does cost more than twice as much new and on a rubber strap no less.
Regardless of the watches, Man you are an icon... truly enjoy your videos. 👍🏻
Love the AP.... BUT..... read a few more reviews. You get a rubber strap so straight away your on "half a watch" The AP movement is a very slim and fragile construction which is used in other AP models despite the massive outer proportions which may lead you into thinking its a "Bombproof"...... but as the critic correctly states, the cost and regularity of servicing is of great consideration.
All this comparison with Rolex is a nonsense really. It is what "you perceive" and if you have the cash for the AP and its what you want and the exclusivity that goes with it ..do the deal !
There's no Substitute when it comes to the Mighty Rolex Submariner timeless, classic, iconic, legendary statues most copied divers watch in the Plant
Still waiting the Odysseus review...
Ok, how about this....
Option 1. The sub. Possibly the world's most recognisable and represented luxury watch.
Option 2. The AP 'sponsor of every golf pro in history' watch. Which will leave you wishing you'd been able to afford the royal oak instead.
Or....
Option 3. Tudor black bay 58
Grand Seiko 37mm quartz and a second hand JLC master ultra thin moon phase.
An almost perfect three watch collection for the same money from three of the most value for money luxury brands. And trust me, you'll love the 37mm GS the most.
I wud pich the more precise watch, regardless the brand. A mechanical watch challenging quartz, thats the name of the game. Rolex is vry near, but Omega is nearer, provide3d golden regulator hands... By the way, I bought a BLIGER GMT for $78, just to fool myself. Aft receipt I regulated it with timegrapher to +2 to + 3s/d, Seagull, now for 7 months steady. So, what to say? I keep my 1978 Sub in the safe (Last service cost $500), wear the BLIGER... Cheers fm Singapore, the Lion City.
Definitely- Rolex submariner is boring and lack of innovation, I will take the AP without even thinking about it ... I went for the Glashütte SeaQ Panorama Datum tho ...
Totally. While still boring, a modern Planet ocean from Omega is a way better watch than the Submariner. Equally or more tough and certainly more innovative. I'll take a fifty fathoms however
Submariner is a genuine robust dive watch. I cannot say that for many other dive watches out there. Omega is not what they used to be and they have increased in price as well.
Can say what you want about the AP, the sub still looks better :P
The sub will continue to look current, that AP model will be obsolete in 5-15 years from now.
Grimmer2006 nah...that AP shape has been cool since the 1970’s, it’s not going to look uncool any time soon and it’s in a different watchmaking league from the massively copied, and therefore ubiquitous, Rolex.
It wouldn’t be a "predicament" for me…because the only one I could afford would be a Submariner sold on a corner on Canal Street. And I personally doubt they carry any APs.
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Great video as usual and with a lot of reason.
I bought Rolex in the golden era of 2011-2014, and even than old, weathered Rolex collectors were considering the prices asked as crazy.
So it’s Great to have these alternatives. Keep up the good work and stay safe and healthy, cheers from
Germany, Konstantin 🙏🏻
At this point, I'm already tired of seeing Rolex Subs. Don't get me wrong, they're really, really good looking watches and even I wanted one before, but with the difficulty in buying one (I refuse to pay resale prices) and the hype and videos...I'm kind of over it. I'm not hating on Rolex. I'm just tired of the Sub.
4:49. That hexagonal screw looks bad to me. Not aligned , and a lot of space between the screw and the hole walls.
Though every swipe at Rolex is both justified and warranted, I tire of hearing about the crown AT ALL. They’ve gotten their fair share of free press for offering mid tier luxury watches for High Horologie prices. I sold mine. Won’t be getting another unless prices return from the range of idiots and fools that they’re in now.
Cant go wrong with the Sub
The Rolex Submariner has and will be for many years to come a most desirable watch for many reasons. The AP also will always have a following.
I never care to own a rolex
Who goes diving with an Audemars Piguet ? AP can better stick to the jewelry counter & shelves... for the happy few
Both would be wonderful watches to have on the wrist. It seems like the used market for anything but a Rolex is the way to go now!
Rolex holds its value best. Others, not so much. You can’t even buy an old beat up Sub with a crackled crystal for 5000$
It's good and all, but there's one problem - this AP is ugly!
Rolex is my choice between the two
I have both of them and the ap diver is just on another level. Thanks for the great video 👍
Yeah, the AP diver is nice but wait to it comes time to service your AP, you/ll only wish you had bought the Sub & you don't even get the awesome Rolex bracelet & clasp. You forgot to mention the price of service was for basic service, wait to you need to pay for AP parts & trust me you can pretty much count on needing parts replacement on a AP. Ferrari services prices goes along with owning a Ferrari no matter how cheap the entrance fee is to get in. Welcome to the big leagues.
Shouldn’t a diver have a rotating bezel? Isn’t that kind of what makes a duvet a diver? So you can see how much oxygen you have left.
Given the spectacular rise in Sub values (even used examples) I think a buyer could be looking at a direct choice between the Rolex and a Blancpain Fifty Fathoms. For me, if that were ever a choice, I would be rocking the FF and loving the fact that everyone is wondering why I would want a watch named after the staple product of a bakery?
Rampant Pygmy Blancpain Fifty Fathoms is just way in another level than a simple Rolex sub , I went for Glashütte SeaQ Panorama Datum tho ... even over the Blancpain
these days it seems the audio has been sounding quite weird. echo-ey with reverberations, the voice for the stock pre recorded OP is much better.
I pick a solid 18k gold 1965 omega Seamaster Deville, and $7700 in change. It’s on my wrist now, along with my Vostok Amphibia SE. Every day. And keeps time well within COSC specs.