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André Manzaro No it isn’t. Hispanic means “pertaining to Spain” and while, yes, ‘Hispania’ did originally refer to the entire Iberian Peninsula, by the time Spanish colonization began, it meant Spain specifically. Today it’s even more specialized; it only means “Of a Spanish-speaking country”. Every South American country excluding Guyana, Guiana, Suriname, and Brazil is Hispanic.
There is a novel series called Clash of Eagles that pursues an alternate what if, where the Crisis of the Third Century never happens, Rome conquers Europe, is at war with the Mongols, and discovers Americas in 1218. The story centers around the Imperial Legion who makes first contact with the Cohekian civilization of the Ohio. It is an awesome series and I highly recommend it.
If Rome had a navy like Carthage, Rome would be OP. Edit: I know the Romans defeated the Carthagens because the Romans had the better ships for the Mediterranean I’m just saying if the Romans used there ships for outer explorations like Atlantic they would have been beasts. Because Carthage’s ships were perfect for long travel and establishing trade
Stiliyan Atanasov I know that but the if Rome had naval commanders traders and investment like Carthage they could have conquered lands beyond bringing wealth through trade.
There is one possibility that if the Roman conquered Ireland and heard the stories of Irish monks travelling to a new world - they might have thought, hey, if these heathens can do it why not give it a look see and see what's "over" there.
@@JamesBond-xx1lv Yep, it's true that the stories exist. They have found stones with Ogham (Irish) inscriptions in North East America and very small structures that to me look like a Church - not exactly proof you can't date stones, but, interesting. Another story that did the rounds way back when and really never reported in the history books, is that everywhere the Vikings went they kept running into the Irish - and it's well known that the Scotti ie Irish sea pirates were very competent sailors.
The vikings went to america a lot later , rome was crumbled during that time , it was full chaos , the dark ages . What churches , what monks during these times ? 🧐
Roban that’s true, but I wonder what they could have done with steam engines. Da Vinci was onto them already with the steam cannon, and the first actual steam turbine was made in 1551, only 32 y after his death
@@zanna1944 There were experiments with steam powered aircraft as of the late 1800's. None were very successful because a steam engine usually has to be quite heavy to be able to generate s decent amount of energy. Although it might have possible if instead used in some type of airship
This scenario changes absolutely everything in America. As you said, many kingdoms and tribes perished due to the climate. Imagine the Nazcas having the technology to actually resists a high drought. In a world were Romans colonize America, probably the Aztecs and the Incas wouldn’t even pop up and the many cultures, prior them, flourish thanks to the new technology and resources (horses, cows, chicken, camels, etc)
Here's the thing: The Andean cultures from the Chavin and Nazcas to the Incas have undergone convergent evolution similar to the Romans in terms of how they manage the land and how they conquer and assimilate their cultures. They might represent some actual resistance to the hypothetical American Romans. That may explain why the Roman expansion just stopped right before they reach the Andes. Maybe, just like the Barbarians, they might steal some tech from Roman expeditions and make it their own while reinforcing their experience on land (imagine Roman concrete and Inca's work on stone). By the time the Incas appear and make contact with the Romans, they would encounter an equally mighty force to face, a force that would be able to take over its expanded territory. Maybe this is the reason why, in proper history, the Incas had to encounter the Spanish, instead, to be defeated and turn the Tawantinsuyu into the beginning of the greater Virreinato that would make Spain into the most powerful force of the world at that time...
The more I learn about Rome the more I see that their greatest feat may have been staving off collapse as long as they did. You really get the feeling they really would have conquered the whole world if they were around long enough.
No. They stopped expanding after Trajan (and actually Hadrian abandoned most of his conquests). Basically when Rome became an "empire" (military dictatorship) it stopped being expansive: it did still try some conquests (failed or not) but soon it was all like passive conservative China looking inwards and at most defending its borders. Empires are totally stagnant by nature.
@@LuisAldamiz I wouldn't say they stopped expanding by choice though. If that was the case, they would have listened to Augustus. Rome was in a decline, and was finding itself too large to maintain itself among many other issues. I do think with the right leadership Rome could have lasted ALLOT longer and possibly went on to conquer more terrain, but I wouldn't expect that to be sustainable. Though, I think my point lends into yours. I don't foresee a world where Rome didn't collapse eventually. It had too many issues to hold itself together. Perhaps if they had followed the advice of Augustus and built a more traditional line of succession then it may have turned out differently for their collapse. Rome may have stayed together longer and possibly even be around today assuming they spent the time they had consolidating power inward.
@@ViolentMLG think there is something to western Rome's frontier being "virgin." As western Europe romanized they began to form states. The eastern Roman empire's frontier was ancient states. I guess it comes down to stagnation. Generally the older the state the more stagnant the culture which limits power. Rome really lasted until may 29 1453. The west just fell quicker in the face of a younger, hungrier people. And really Rome didn't fall as much as they faded. The invaders always adopted Roman customs. It's fashionable to bash the Catholic church but it was the Gauls, the goths, the Celts themselves that converted Europe. Not saying it was always peaceful but it's not comparable to Europe in the Americas.
@@LuisAldamizthe term empire by the time rome was in gaul and hispania it was practically an empire plus they never called themselves an empire until much later
@@degoose2447 - I don't think the term Empire was in official use ever before Diocletian, Rome was always officially a Republic... led by an Emperor or Caesar or later Augustus as well, whose legal powers were those of dictator for life ("dictator" being a true traditional Roman republican office, unlike "imperator", which was a honorific title) but definitely "not a kingdom"... just like North Korea or Gabon: "not a kingdom".
The mere presence of the Romans have an effect on the native tribes. You would likely have some tribes as vassals or in Alliance to the Empire especially early on. People like the Cherokee who would be required to contribute auxiliaries to the Empire. The auxiliaries return to their tribe with knowledge like tactics, writing, agriculture, etc. Also you know some horse and cattle will get loose into the Great Plains and we'll see the rise of horse nomads akin to the Huns or Mongols. Horses will change everything. Keep in mind North America is freaking huge. It would take centuries to expand to the Mississippi with Roman technology. Add to that trading and the Colonies will soon be going up against kingdoms with Iron, Horse, and home field advantage.
Not to mention how politically fractured Rome can be, its unlikely one united Empire would rule over the New World. I feel like governors would declare independence, high ranking leaders taking control of specific provinces of the land in the Americas etc.
@@aldyn4106 also the Yucatan Maya have a habit of rebelling against European occupation. Within a few decades or century you would have a Mayan resurgence now armed with steel, bows and cavalry. The roads and wheeled carts the Romans constructed would be used to create a centralized Mayan Kingdom following this revolution.
@@madlad7395 it maybe a lot like dealing with the Germans and Celts. Speaking of which, some of those European tribes who were Roman Citizens/ friends of Rome may settle (Burgundians, Celts, Saxons, etc.) in/ near Roma Hesperian (Latin for Western Lands of Rome) veteran colonies. You should check out Clash of Eagles by Alan Smale.
There is also the possibility of early Roman Catholicism spreading to Terra Novan colonies during the late Imperial era. Maybe it's due to it becoming the state religion and spreads across the Atlantic. Another is Christians are sentenced to transportation to build the Colonies kind of like South Carolina. If the first one happens, we could get a western Byzantine Empire with Native tribes adopting Catholicism to not be seen as barbarians kind of like Rus and Bulgars. You may even have a North American patriarch. Imagine him declaring a Crusade against the "ungodly Aztec Empire." Deus Vault
Who knows, maybe the aztecs could've started out as a rebel group inside Roman America to take back what was theirs since it didn't start out till the 15th century
The Nova renaissance oooh now I remember, the mexica came unto what would be tenoctitlan after killing and flaying a tribal leader’s daughter thus causing themes flee. Shit my bad
There are things in history indicating a Roman ship went off course and landed in south america, just like the Roman legion (former POWs) partaking in a war in the far east, neither claim has been definitely proven, but there are a lot of historical quotes and events making it highly likely and plausible.
man rome would need a really really huge navy. The reason why Britain was so strong was because their navy was so huge and nations like the netherlands and Portugal also has great navies.
Considering Rome would have all of the Medd. and the vast woodlands of Gaul I don't think it's such a stretch. The capability is def. there. The only issue would be motivation.
They would have owned all the resources of Britain, Spain, France, Portugal and the Netherlands. Everything those empires used to build their navies. Huge navy is an understatement of what Rome could build with all of that.
It’s just, and thank goodness he pointed it out, but Rome really wasn’t keen on developing navy past what it was....but in reality they did have a large navy... Like at the Battle of Ecnomus the Romans *had 330 ships and over 100k people in crew* These aren’t small numbers, especially for ancient times.
Surp Nurp then I can see the Emperor at the time who would get access to them become the god of guns. Honestly that looks like a meme after you give him a bandana.
@@T2G-DJT I don't thing it would change anything, because the reason they fell is because of political instability. If those Italian also bring another thing like History books or some political books and teach them, maybe they could last longer than they did in real life. Persia would be captured without many casualties, ERE would never fall, Islam never come close to be the world major religion and make them the most educated people in the ancient world beating Greek. Those AK also can reduce the amount of Roman Legion and make them cost less roman tax payer so it can make roman citizen more productive, colonization plan is come to mind, those Legion that have been disbanded can rebuild the area of the empire that's poor because of Conquest. The Hun would be massacred because most of germanic tribe have been destroyed and assimilated to Roman culture. Because of less Legion, more productive citizen and having many mine like in Dacia, they could mass produce AK in their own, and I don't thing there Will be the rise of Christianity , Paganism would be the world religion at that timeline.
Here's a scenario: The Celtic Venetii, a seafaring tribe with sail driven ships, several decades before the Gallic Wars, had accidentally discovered the New World when a trade mission was blown off course by storms, and miraculously returned to Brittany. Knowledge of this trade with a resource filled land, piqued Roman avarice enough to continue exploration for precious metals and gems, using Venetii ships and crews. Colonization would follow the British model in India, with trade missions established with a Roman garrison for security. Factors would ensure security of trade routes, use punitive expeditions to ensure security from raids, make treaties with trade partners, extending "Friend of Rome" status to certain tribes, eventually Romanizing entire territories.
I have a pretty large bone to pick with "the romans would easily overcome drought with their advanced knowledge of irrigation." Especially in regards to pre, proto, or mayan peoples, Lidar is uncovering INCREDIBLE irrigation systems in much of central america, Guatemala specifically is currently thought to have had a canal system created to replace roads. They irrigated the ENTIRE COUNTRY.
I think this video is also slightly too "straightline" for the Native populations painting them widespread as "primitives" I agree that organization would likely be nothing near the Level of Roman discipline. Discounting however, central american Tech, brutality, and North American populations is slightly disingenuous. We seem to be forgetting that ancient Pueblo in the southeast is on the rise and rapidly so before the reign of Ceaser, and still is during Caligula's reign. The greatlakes had sizeable bronze and copper production, (not for weapons mind you, htough id imagine that would change quickly) The MIssisipi culture hasnt yet "risen" but its base is already built, he have evidence for mound builders dating as far back as 1000BC thats just north america A lot of this sort of relies on Native incompetence and im not sure that would really be a thing. Yes they may still be primitive in comparison to the Romans of the time, but I dont think rome would be able to conquer, much less hold any significant presence in The americas with the tech disparity being a fraction of what it was in our timeline.
Though Romans brought another type of warfare to the natives I wonder how they would have fared , but the main obstacle that Romans would face would have been the same as in Scotland the terrain I can see Romans taking the plains but in mountainous regions they would have been hard contested , and like the Germanic tribes that were in forests the Romans would need incentives to flush out all the native occupants
I feel like Rome would've survived, the amount of soldiers and money that would come from the Americas would have eased the pressure of the attacks and maybe the medical side of the tribes would've curved the outbreaks in the empire. Seeing how the Roman's usually improved an area with infrastructure and then made a fortune of the land, it wouldnt be to out of this world to say this would happen, the natives would most likely not really bend to Rome but integrate. (Probably halted due to disease like our time line tho)
The disease aspect of "first contact" is always inevitable. True Plagues like smallpox, black death, measles, cholora and so on are the direct result of pathogens jumping from animal host to human host and then accidentally killing the humans. It is very rare that this jump between species gets made, however, when you live like Europe did with cows and pigs and sheep densely mixed with people in cities with 0 sanitation (both poor hygiene and pooping in the streets) which really bumps up the odds of the jump. The fact that the Americas have basically no valid domestication candidates and better hygiene resulted in no "americapox" being created to sweep through the old world during the Columbian Exchange. Don't get me wrong lots of normal diseases existed but they weren't plagues, they were just regular pathogens specialized for people.
Read "Clash of Eagles" It's a whole book series devoted to the idea of Rome coming to and conquering America. With some exceptions to possible historical accuracy, it is still a very good read.
Has anyone properly explained before why black Americans frequently have Roman names? Has always fascinated me. And where did the De- prefix come from, like DeMarcus?
@@MajesticSkywhale Yes, all the "De", "Da", "Le" and "La" prefixes of "black" names come from the French influence in places like Haiti and Louisiana. They are basically Creole names.
luca draghi, I didn't say anything, how long united Gaul would survive Most likely they end up as Dacia. Dacia managed to beat roman legion, so Rome in order to show strength began extermination war against Dacia. Gaul could end like Germania after Teutoburg forest (Rome punishes and leaves). Or Senate would be pleased that Caesar got what he deserved, because Senate was against conquest of Gaul and what Caesar was doing in Gaul (killed one in four Gauls) and most especially against Caesar. Senate would condemn Caesar just as reckless, one who fights against allies. Historia Civilis good channel, quite well explains Caesar’s conquest of Gaul and how he angered Senate, recommend to watch. Besides Marcus Licinius Crassus, fiend of Caesar, one of triumvirate got kill himself in Parthia and Rome did nothing. Most interesting question how Roman Republic would end up without Julius Caesar? Rome was unstable, but still with strong republican/democratic traditions.
Terra Nova is obvious...but for some reason I like the idea of the Novan Empire, or Imperium Novus. Novan culture would drift from Roman culture as very different things would have to be done to survive, but still keep that Roman flare. Ie instead of conquering Gaul to defend Rome, Novans conquered the wilderness and issues. Innovation may become central to that culture, and return to Europe with these new ideas.
Rome would get tobacco and chocolate some 1000 years early having unknown consequences but obviously very good for Rome. Instead of needing to connect to the eastern trade route it may be that China needs to get land to get those trade goods.
10:00 Hispania is a better example on how Rome would have treated america than North Africa and Germania. Germanis was never rdesired for it's resources but for it's strategic value allowing the shortening of the frontier along the Elbe Danube line rather than along the much longer Rhine Danube Line. And north africa was not some uninhabited backwater but an increadibly rich and fertile place with many powerful civilizations. Meanwhile Hispania was a fairly sparsely populated region with a huge wealth in precious metals.
@@1erickf50 Oh yes they learned well. Though not only from the Romans the muslims did the same thing in hispania too, of course the muslims also learned it from the romans so...
The could potentially colonize Madagascar, the east coast of Africa, South Africa, the small islands around there, maybe even Australia and islands near there. (Though depending on their timing the Europeans would probably beat them to most of the land in Oceania). But more realistically and practically, they could consolidate their territory around the Horn of Africa, and take over Egypt using their modernized military. After Egypt got taken over by the Muslims the Ethiopians had been kind of diplomatically isolated for a while, so remedying this issue would probably be first order of business, now giving better diplomatic, trade, and technological access. With the Red Sea secured they could be a powerful trading empire as well. After this, they might go invade Yemen given they used to own it ages back, and further cementing their grip on the Horn. And maybe we wouldn't have to worry about Somali pirates in the modern day.
5:30 Rome curbstomped Parthia pretty much every time they fought the Parthian king of kings was imply not powerful enough within his own realm to put up the armies needed to fight Rome. Hence why after the rise of the far more centralized Sassanids the threat of Persia increases massively.
A couple of mistakes... Both the Greeks and the Romans knew exactly how large the planet Earth was and they had a pretty good idea of the distance westward to the "eastern empires". Though they did not know of the continent of North America, the trip eastward would have been known to be long & hard...not an easy jaunt to China. Also the Meso Americans had an extensive knowledge of hydraulics and water systems...irrigating most of their farmland. If the possible drought collapsed their civilizations...then the Romans probably would gave been in the same boat. But l do enjoy the possibility in an alternate history, of Roman colonization of the new world...there are even some disputed claims that Roman ships visited the mouth of the Mississippi River.
Just some suggestions: 1-what if iran was hellenized 2-what if greek Buddhism continued in india (later was meanly the bactrian but they centeral asian not in india) 3- what if rome conquered yemen 4-what if iran was arabized
That would be very interesting to be fair. Christianity would probably never became so big and therefore Islam would never even become a thing or would never rise either. Slavic Gods would be incorporated or remained known instead of butchered by the christian expansion. The Roman idea of religion would likely make Central and East Asian diplomacy easier than it was and forms of colonialism less bloody as there would be less religious violence. The world today would likely be polytheistic with the largest religion similar to monotheism being Buddhism which its self doesn't have a Gods.... so yeah... it would be different. The thing is, religions large affect architecture which has then huge impact on civilisation. The only reason why there are skyscrapers today is because people learned how to build tall Gothic cathedrals. It would be... very different. I also think it would affect slavery. America would likely have more old European idea of slavery rather than colonial. (anyone can be a slave, a defeated enemy, concurred land, or person in dept)
Probably Judaism would have been the main religion, since it was growing a lot , just like Christianity. I could very well see a Roman emperor turning Jewish and rebuilding the temple
I like the idea that its like the 6th Century, The Roman Empire is only in Italia, and the barbarians have divided the empire, and out of nowhere thousands of romans of old arrive on the Western shores, seemingly from nowwhere, and reconquer the Empire.
I love these "what if" type videos. This is one I've actually thought about a lot. Like what if Rome was still around and what if they had done this or that.. But I find that crazy that Rome is situated on a peninsula surrounded by the Mediterranean and they didn't really utilize naval technology that much.
Based on the regions level of dependence and native loyalty to it's Roman culture, there'd still be a dark age following the fall/contraction of Rome. I mean the very heart of Rome fell during this period with Roman power barely clinging on to it's eastern holdings, there's no reason to believe an extreme fringe in the Americas would persevere. Just replace the conquering of former Roman provinces by the Germanics with any ambitious native tribe, the Incas and Aztec (or an entity resembling them) likely still rise to prominence during the European Medieval period. The history of Europe progresses as it did, the new continents being forgotten by the general populace and mindset of Europe until the rise of Islam and it's conquest of the remnants of eastern Rome provide it with a chokehold on the 'silk road' (trade with the eastern worlds), thus setting the stage for sailing to the east around the otherside of the planet (the general theory being that the Earth is round), this in tune leading to the rediscovery of the 'new world' where likely little remains of Roman presence beyond abandoned ruins left in disrepair, not unlike was already present from the Mayan age or of Rome itself within Italy.
It would probably be a good idea to expand on the effects of the Columbian Exchange so early in world history. The Romans would have brought plagues, new crops, and new ideas to the Gulf of Mexico. Very good chance that the pandemic of the 15th C would sweep America, and one would go back (totally syphilis). That would be a video in itself. A much simpler and far more likely way to have Romans in America would be 1) Being cut off from Egyptian grain imports 2) Fishing and trade in the North Sea becomes heavily invested in. Roman ships trade cod, wool, and other British Isle Goods. They colonize the Hebrides, and trade with other North Sea people. 3) Days long trips out to a calm sea continue until someone spots Iceland. They colonize Iceland. 4) Other people of the North Sea colonize or trade with Iceland. Romans continue to invest in this lifeline. Brittania to Iceland, to Greenland, and then eventually to Canada. The Fur trade alone would be enough for annual trips along this route. The Columbian exchange happens. Likely continued trips by several communities to this would result and a event like Vinland would not.
I would love to read a novel about 'The Return' wherein fabled Terra Nova comes to the aid of the Roman Empire just as the Mongols are crossing into Europe, only to reveal themselves to be a different kind of conqueror who judge Rome to be inferior.
What if Scandinavia had a united empire. (I know you did something like this with the Kalmar Union but I would love to see you either expand on that timeline or find a new scenario)
Actually another way this could happen is if Justin had adopted Khosrau, and Hence Justinian and Khosrau would have lived together for many years before Justin or Justinian would have helped Khosrau take the throne of the Sassanid empire. Rome and Persia would then not have been enemies from that time onwards but strong allies. Together they likely could have pacified the steppe frontier and then set out on their diffrent paths. Khosrau pacifying the east and Justinian the west. When the Arab invasions happen the roman territories would likely have fallen (because of the monophysite schism) but a Persia undamaged by the long conflict with Rome could have swept in an defeated the Arabs either returning the land to Rome of claiming it for themselves. Meanwhile in the west the Romans would have retaken Italy Africa and Spain a lot quicker than they did. So when the plague hit the Romans would not be bogged down in war at the same time and be able to redirect more resources to dealing with it. Sooner or later relations would have soured between Persia and Rome and a aRome that held in the the west would have figured that perhaps they could bypass the silkroad to china by sending people west over the ocean. especially if Persia took Syria and Egypt from the Arabs giving the Romans an actual maritime enemy. Edit: Actually no if the Antonine and Justinian plaques happened then it is very unlikely Rome would have set out seeking new lands.
I think this is an example where a single person could have a massive impact on history since in ancient Rome rich senators literally would occasionally raise their own army (there were a LOT of civil wars before Caesar). So imagine one senator from our timeline was born different, as in a different sperm fertilized the same egg and the result is a more eccentric individual with fanciful ideas. With his immense wealth he decides to personally fund an exploration north that winds up finding Iceland, Greenland and eventually New Foundland. The expedition returns with amazing news of untouched land far to the west and strange red skinned peoples. Boom. Further expeditions are sent out, eventually Roman explorers move far enough south to realize that the land is huge and decidedly wealthy. Inevitably the empire still forms, the emperors go from capable to looney toons and eventually you get someone like Caligula or Nero who is like "Let's waste a shitload of money on conquering far away lands." Heck from what I read the conquest of Britain was more a drain than a gain for the Romans and was conquered more for political reasons than any economic ones. If the Romans knew of relatively weak peoples to the west it is reasonable (well, actually it is always "unreasonable" but rather it is "believable") that one lunatic emperor or another would seek to expand that way. So you don't need to cut off the empire from the east to explain it when there are some emperors who were COMPLETELY insane and could believably take advantage of something like the new world of they merely knew it existed. *Cough* Commodus *cough*
There NEEDS to be a part two for this. Roman-Americans coming back from some fabled land in the West that allowed them to build an empire *exponentially* larger than anything they had before and trying to take back the old empire?! Dude that is sick! Imagine controlling North, Central, and South America AND Europe *AND* parts of Africa and Asia?!
The only alternate timeline needed for this option is that Rome doesn’t turn into crap during the third century. That’s it. Since they already knew about the Canary Islands, they just needed the scientific spirit of the first two centuries to push them further west.
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What if Japan became Christian in the 1600s? What if Canada adopted Social credit during the great depression? What if the USSR and India became one country somehow ? What if Russia won the Crimean war? Or Austria helped Russia?
I wonder what the romans would think about mayan pyramids. They'd be like " wait a minute did egypt beat us here? They were lying to us the whole time?!?!"
I have always been fascinated by Rome and enjoy these videos. I have always wondered how if both the alternatives of Rome conquering Germania and then deciding to try sailing West.
I thought this was an intriguing scenario. In the US I could see Rome using tribes as mercenaries to fight other tribes. In doing so, the native population would civilize much faster and we could see tribal invasions of the Roman terrible akin to that of Germanic tribes. Whatever tribes hold the Mississippi would become very wealthy and a huge threat to Roman territory. I could also see the Romans in the new world acting independent of Rome in short order as well. Id think than Roman territory would hug the east coast up to the Appalachian Mountains and round the Gulf Coast and follow the Rio Grande then towards California and the gold mines. The native tribes would probably develop into countries of their own throughout time. I'd think there'd be 4 Roman countries in the New World. Then the introduction of the gun would enter the New World much sooner as well.
I think it would be more likely that due to the size of the new world there would be a bunch of roman civilizations. The most powerful on of these most likely being in the Mississippi gulf coast area. Places like Texas wouldn't have alot of resources that the Romans would need or use so I dont think Texas would be very big in the beginning. I dont see the Romans going into Canada do to the size of the land and the habitability of the land But places like Nova Scotia, New York and New England might have some small port cites. The great lakes would be a bit to far north for the Romans I think and I dont think the snow there would help. The west coast of america wouldn't be touched for a while do to distance but after Rome collapses a kingdom from mexico might settle the land. The desert most likely would hold them off for a while tho.
@@ceasaris7702 Yes and no. The original Latins lived in what we now call Italy. But they weren’t “Italians”. We don’t consider Italians today Romans for example
@@ApexCalibre We do though, Romans are the ancient Italian history. Just like we consider Ancient Greece Ancient *Greek* history and Ancient Egyptian history Ancient *Egyptian* history.
@@ceasaris7702 But they’re not the same thing. A Roman and an Italian while sharing the same home couldn’t be more different. Even ancient greek and modern greek are very different
Ahh the classic Civ game; where you secretly conquer an empty(ish) continent, develop your tech to absurd levels then surprise attack the enemy phalanx back in the homeland with ICBMs.
14:00 yeah you're not at all reaching to get an independent America... Even during the height of the crisis of the third century no one declared independence from Rome, such a concept just wasn't in the Roman mindset. The Genrals stationed in the west may have gone back east to set themselves up as Imperators but Rome was one empire under one emperor until Diocletian.
What if Europe, Middle East, America and Africa had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?
One of the biggest problems with Rome discovering the Americas is, galleys were the norm on the Mediterranean but they are nearly useless on the open Atlantic.
The thing is Bronze age Europeans knew they existed, knew how to reach it as north American coper has been found in Europe. The irish, Vikings, and greeks knew it existed they just never wanted to expand in the region
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Then a whole new meaning to "Latin America" and "Latinos"
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You will be a part of Latin America
@@DarDarBinks1986 Brazil is a Hispanics country. Hispanic = from Hispania (Roman Province that is the equivalent of the Iberian Peninsula)
André Manzaro
No it isn’t. Hispanic means “pertaining to Spain” and while, yes, ‘Hispania’ did originally refer to the entire Iberian Peninsula, by the time Spanish colonization began, it meant Spain specifically. Today it’s even more specialized; it only means “Of a Spanish-speaking country”.
Every South American country excluding Guyana, Guiana, Suriname, and Brazil is Hispanic.
Latin America would actualy speak latin
There is a novel series called Clash of Eagles that pursues an alternate what if, where the Crisis of the Third Century never happens, Rome conquers Europe, is at war with the Mongols, and discovers Americas in 1218. The story centers around the Imperial Legion who makes first contact with the Cohekian civilization of the Ohio. It is an awesome series and I highly recommend it.
I liked it until the Natives had gliderbombers.
RubberDucky
What?
@@bennetla10 They had what now
YAS!
RubberDucky am finishing the 3rd book currently. Love it.
We’d be watching Sunday night chariot racing that’s for sure.
"Car" is derived from the Gaulish _karros_ meaning "chariot." So technically we already do. Naschariot.
Titans JoJo cool
Or feeding Christians to lions
@@titansjojo1445 or instead of IndyCar, it'd be IndyChariot
@@jackietang3789 complete with the latest model, soupped up, 30 horsepower chariots with flames and eagles painted on the sides! LOL
If Rome had a navy like Carthage, Rome would be OP.
Edit: I know the Romans defeated the Carthagens because the Romans had the better ships for the Mediterranean I’m just saying if the Romans used there ships for outer explorations like Atlantic they would have been beasts. Because Carthage’s ships were perfect for long travel and establishing trade
Öntas Bülent thing is it didnt need to,as The Mediterranean was literally *their* sea.
@@HiturMan-nn5pc we used to call it "Mare Nostrum", which un Latin means "Our Sea".
Envil 23
“We”
Stiliyan Atanasov I know that but the if Rome had naval commanders traders and investment like Carthage they could have conquered lands beyond bringing wealth through trade.
@@T2G-DJT It's fair to say, that if one belongs to one of the cultural, territorial, or genetic legacies of Rome, then one could say "we".
There is one possibility that if the Roman conquered Ireland and heard the stories of Irish monks travelling to a new world - they might have thought, hey, if these heathens can do it why not give it a look see and see what's "over" there.
Wait what?? I've never heard of that.
@@JamesBond-xx1lv Yep, it's true that the stories exist. They have found stones with Ogham (Irish) inscriptions in North East America and very small structures that to me look like a Church - not exactly proof you can't date stones, but, interesting. Another story that did the rounds way back when and really never reported in the history books, is that everywhere the Vikings went they kept running into the Irish - and it's well known that the Scotti ie Irish sea pirates were very competent sailors.
The vikings went to america a lot later , rome was crumbled during that time , it was full chaos , the dark ages . What churches , what monks during these times ? 🧐
@@vaughanmacegan4012 Imagine Vikings happy to discover new virgin lands, and as they land some Irish redheaded guy welcomes them with a pint in a hand
@@Sergalt Imagine walking into a new and beautiful land only to find drunken Irish squabbling about
Here’s a fun idea: What If Leonardo Da Vinci’s flying machines worked? How would discovering flight so much earlier change the course of history?
Probably not much. Without any petrol or electricity to fuel it there wouldn't have had much use
Roban that’s true, but I wonder what they could have done with steam engines. Da Vinci was onto them already with the steam cannon, and the first actual steam turbine was made in 1551, only 32 y after his death
@@zanna1944 There were experiments with steam powered aircraft as of the late 1800's. None were very successful because a steam engine usually has to be quite heavy to be able to generate s decent amount of energy. Although it might have possible if instead used in some type of airship
I thought they did work.
@@thecatfather857 I think they did work but they were dismissed by the kings of the time
This scenario changes absolutely everything in America. As you said, many kingdoms and tribes perished due to the climate. Imagine the Nazcas having the technology to actually resists a high drought. In a world were Romans colonize America, probably the Aztecs and the Incas wouldn’t even pop up and the many cultures, prior them, flourish thanks to the new technology and resources (horses, cows, chicken, camels, etc)
Here's the thing: The Andean cultures from the Chavin and Nazcas to the Incas have undergone convergent evolution similar to the Romans in terms of how they manage the land and how they conquer and assimilate their cultures. They might represent some actual resistance to the hypothetical American Romans. That may explain why the Roman expansion just stopped right before they reach the Andes. Maybe, just like the Barbarians, they might steal some tech from Roman expeditions and make it their own while reinforcing their experience on land (imagine Roman concrete and Inca's work on stone). By the time the Incas appear and make contact with the Romans, they would encounter an equally mighty force to face, a force that would be able to take over its expanded territory. Maybe this is the reason why, in proper history, the Incas had to encounter the Spanish, instead, to be defeated and turn the Tawantinsuyu into the beginning of the greater Virreinato that would make Spain into the most powerful force of the world at that time...
The more I learn about Rome the more I see that their greatest feat may have been staving off collapse as long as they did.
You really get the feeling they really would have conquered the whole world if they were around long enough.
No. They stopped expanding after Trajan (and actually Hadrian abandoned most of his conquests). Basically when Rome became an "empire" (military dictatorship) it stopped being expansive: it did still try some conquests (failed or not) but soon it was all like passive conservative China looking inwards and at most defending its borders. Empires are totally stagnant by nature.
@@LuisAldamiz I wouldn't say they stopped expanding by choice though.
If that was the case, they would have listened to Augustus.
Rome was in a decline, and was finding itself too large to maintain itself among many other issues.
I do think with the right leadership Rome could have lasted ALLOT longer and possibly went on to conquer more terrain, but I wouldn't expect that to be sustainable.
Though, I think my point lends into yours. I don't foresee a world where Rome didn't collapse eventually. It had too many issues to hold itself together. Perhaps if they had followed the advice of Augustus and built a more traditional line of succession then it may have turned out differently for their collapse. Rome may have stayed together longer and possibly even be around today assuming they spent the time they had consolidating power inward.
@@ViolentMLG think there is something to western Rome's frontier being "virgin." As western Europe romanized they began to form states. The eastern Roman empire's frontier was ancient states. I guess it comes down to stagnation. Generally the older the state the more stagnant the culture which limits power. Rome really lasted until may 29 1453. The west just fell quicker in the face of a younger, hungrier people. And really Rome didn't fall as much as they faded. The invaders always adopted Roman customs. It's fashionable to bash the Catholic church but it was the Gauls, the goths, the Celts themselves that converted Europe. Not saying it was always peaceful but it's not comparable to Europe in the Americas.
@@LuisAldamizthe term empire by the time rome was in gaul and hispania it was practically an empire plus they never called themselves an empire until much later
@@degoose2447 - I don't think the term Empire was in official use ever before Diocletian, Rome was always officially a Republic... led by an Emperor or Caesar or later Augustus as well, whose legal powers were those of dictator for life ("dictator" being a true traditional Roman republican office, unlike "imperator", which was a honorific title) but definitely "not a kingdom"... just like North Korea or Gabon: "not a kingdom".
The mere presence of the Romans have an effect on the native tribes. You would likely have some tribes as vassals or in Alliance to the Empire especially early on. People like the Cherokee who would be required to contribute auxiliaries to the Empire. The auxiliaries return to their tribe with knowledge like tactics, writing, agriculture, etc. Also you know some horse and cattle will get loose into the Great Plains and we'll see the rise of horse nomads akin to the Huns or Mongols. Horses will change everything. Keep in mind North America is freaking huge. It would take centuries to expand to the Mississippi with Roman technology. Add to that trading and the Colonies will soon be going up against kingdoms with Iron, Horse, and home field advantage.
Not to mention how politically fractured Rome can be, its unlikely one united Empire would rule over the New World. I feel like governors would declare independence, high ranking leaders taking control of specific provinces of the land in the Americas etc.
@@aldyn4106 also the Yucatan Maya have a habit of rebelling against European occupation. Within a few decades or century you would have a Mayan resurgence now armed with steel, bows and cavalry. The roads and wheeled carts the Romans constructed would be used to create a centralized Mayan Kingdom following this revolution.
So terra nova's expansions stops at 13:07 and so focuses on internal problems and unity so It can't recounqer europe (I guess??)
@@madlad7395 it maybe a lot like dealing with the Germans and Celts. Speaking of which, some of those European tribes who were Roman Citizens/ friends of Rome may settle (Burgundians, Celts, Saxons, etc.) in/ near Roma Hesperian (Latin for Western Lands of Rome) veteran colonies. You should check out Clash of Eagles by Alan Smale.
There is also the possibility of early Roman Catholicism spreading to Terra Novan colonies during the late Imperial era. Maybe it's due to it becoming the state religion and spreads across the Atlantic. Another is Christians are sentenced to transportation to build the Colonies kind of like South Carolina. If the first one happens, we could get a western Byzantine Empire with Native tribes adopting Catholicism to not be seen as barbarians kind of like Rus and Bulgars. You may even have a North American patriarch. Imagine him declaring a Crusade against the "ungodly Aztec Empire." Deus Vault
My mind immediately went to Aztecs fighting Romans and that picture is incredibly cursed.
i too wish rome survived long enough to meet the aztecs
Who knows, maybe the aztecs could've started out as a rebel group inside Roman America to take back what was theirs since it didn't start out till the 15th century
*Age of Empires flashbacks*
The Nova renaissance oooh now I remember, the mexica came unto what would be tenoctitlan after killing and flaying a tribal leader’s daughter thus causing themes flee. Shit my bad
There are things in history indicating a Roman ship went off course and landed in south america, just like the Roman legion (former POWs) partaking in a war in the far east, neither claim has been definitely proven, but there are a lot of historical quotes and events making it highly likely and plausible.
man rome would need a really really huge navy.
The reason why Britain was so strong was because their navy was so huge and nations like the netherlands and Portugal also has great navies.
Considering Rome would have all of the Medd. and the vast woodlands of Gaul I don't think it's such a stretch. The capability is def. there. The only issue would be motivation.
They would have owned all the resources of Britain, Spain, France, Portugal and the Netherlands. Everything those empires used to build their navies. Huge navy is an understatement of what Rome could build with all of that.
@@tremedar exactly, they basically mass produced some 130 warships, a navy to rival Carthage in just 3 months during the first Punic war.
It’s just, and thank goodness he pointed it out, but Rome really wasn’t keen on developing navy past what it was....but in reality they did have a large navy...
Like at the Battle of Ecnomus the Romans *had 330 ships and over 100k people in crew*
These aren’t small numbers, especially for ancient times.
edge lord. Thank you for recognising Britannia’s rule of the waves
I absolutely love alt history with native Americans.
-Gemberkoekje- ikr. Amerindian Roman legions
You may like Kim Stanley Robinson's novel "The Years of Rice and Salt"
If you're interested in reading a fictional alt history of native Americans, read the Book of Mormon. Then again, don't.
@@B9M3 yeah that’s…interesting
nothing makes me happier than seeing a new alternative Roman Empire video. God I love Rome
Roman Cherokee sounds neat.
Also: What if the Pig War (1859) escalated into a full-scale war between the US and the British Empire?
Latin-speaking Cherokee with swords and shields
Based
Why a whole war over one single pig it sounds so dumb
@@98dayz25 Your clearly don't understand. That pig was thee most desirable
America would probably lose
What if Tongans discovered America? What if Tonga expanded their Tuʻi Tonga Empire? I think it's Tonga time
Hey animals wanna go on land
Is it tonga time?
@@autogaming8324 I think it's Tonga time. *assimilation of new territories sound effect*
It's Tonga Time.
Why are you everywhere
Last time I was this early the Byzantine empire was still called the Roman empire.
The Roman empire was never called Byzantine by Romans. Even during the 19th century Greek speaking populations called themselves Ρωμιοί (Romans)
It always was
It was always Roman, it just to differentiate it from the classical ones
I wish that they change it from Byzantine to Roman ver 2 because that’s what it was
1453?
Now I’m just waiting for a remaster of what if Rome discover steam or never fell. Or conquered the Martian’s
What if time-traveling Italian Nationalist went back in time and gave the Romans AK-47’s?
Surp Nurp then I can see the Emperor at the time who would get access to them become the god of guns. Honestly that looks like a meme after you give him a bandana.
@@T2G-DJT I don't thing it would change anything, because the reason they fell is because of political instability. If those Italian also bring another thing like History books or some political books and teach them, maybe they could last longer than they did in real life. Persia would be captured without many casualties, ERE would never fall, Islam never come close to be the world major religion and make them the most educated people in the ancient world beating Greek. Those AK also can reduce the amount of Roman Legion and make them cost less roman tax payer so it can make roman citizen more productive, colonization plan is come to mind, those Legion that have been disbanded can rebuild the area of the empire that's poor because of Conquest. The Hun would be massacred because most of germanic tribe have been destroyed and assimilated to Roman culture. Because of less Legion, more productive citizen and having many mine like in Dacia, they could mass produce AK in their own, and I don't thing there Will be the rise of Christianity
, Paganism would be the world religion at that timeline.
If Rome never fell we would be at least 500 years ahead in technology.
Otto Carius
I was just mocking Harry Turtledove’s book where South African WS’s go back in time and active the Confederates AK-47’s but ok
Here's a scenario:
The Celtic Venetii, a seafaring tribe with sail driven ships, several decades before the Gallic Wars, had accidentally discovered the New World when a trade mission was blown off course by storms, and miraculously returned to Brittany.
Knowledge of this trade with a resource filled land, piqued Roman avarice enough to continue exploration for precious metals and gems, using Venetii ships and crews.
Colonization would follow the British model in India, with trade missions established with a Roman garrison for security. Factors would ensure security of trade routes, use punitive expeditions to ensure security from raids, make treaties with trade partners, extending "Friend of Rome" status to certain tribes, eventually Romanizing entire territories.
Monsieur Z: "What if-"
Me: *YES!*
I have a pretty large bone to pick with "the romans would easily overcome drought with their advanced knowledge of irrigation."
Especially in regards to pre, proto, or mayan peoples, Lidar is uncovering INCREDIBLE irrigation systems in much of central america, Guatemala specifically is currently thought to have had a canal system created to replace roads. They irrigated the ENTIRE COUNTRY.
I think this video is also slightly too "straightline" for the Native populations painting them widespread as "primitives"
I agree that organization would likely be nothing near the Level of Roman discipline. Discounting however, central american Tech, brutality, and North American populations is slightly disingenuous. We seem to be forgetting that ancient Pueblo in the southeast is on the rise and rapidly so before the reign of Ceaser, and still is during Caligula's reign.
The greatlakes had sizeable bronze and copper production, (not for weapons mind you, htough id imagine that would change quickly)
The MIssisipi culture hasnt yet "risen" but its base is already built, he have evidence for mound builders dating as far back as 1000BC
thats just north america
A lot of this sort of relies on Native incompetence and im not sure that would really be a thing. Yes they may still be primitive in comparison to the Romans of the time, but I dont think rome would be able to conquer, much less hold any significant presence in The americas with the tech disparity being a fraction of what it was in our timeline.
@@shanedussault740Quick Question, did romans use horses on their ships?
@@10gamer64 no because there would be no room on the ships
@@peytondailey6108 The Nemi Ships were more than big enough
Though Romans brought another type of warfare to the natives I wonder how they would have fared , but the main obstacle that Romans would face would have been the same as in Scotland the terrain I can see Romans taking the plains but in mountainous regions they would have been hard contested , and like the Germanic tribes that were in forests the Romans would need incentives to flush out all the native occupants
Can't tell you how appreciative I am that you still use the proper AD/BC dating system. So many others use AC and BCE as if they are legitimate
I feel like Rome would've survived, the amount of soldiers and money that would come from the Americas would have eased the pressure of the attacks and maybe the medical side of the tribes would've curved the outbreaks in the empire. Seeing how the Roman's usually improved an area with infrastructure and then made a fortune of the land, it wouldnt be to out of this world to say this would happen, the natives would most likely not really bend to Rome but integrate. (Probably halted due to disease like our time line tho)
The disease aspect of "first contact" is always inevitable. True Plagues like smallpox, black death, measles, cholora and so on are the direct result of pathogens jumping from animal host to human host and then accidentally killing the humans. It is very rare that this jump between species gets made, however, when you live like Europe did with cows and pigs and sheep densely mixed with people in cities with 0 sanitation (both poor hygiene and pooping in the streets) which really bumps up the odds of the jump.
The fact that the Americas have basically no valid domestication candidates and better hygiene resulted in no "americapox" being created to sweep through the old world during the Columbian Exchange.
Don't get me wrong lots of normal diseases existed but they weren't plagues, they were just regular pathogens specialized for people.
Our world:
Latin America
The world where Rome colonized America:
Also Latin America
Replace Tacos for Spaghetti
Read "Clash of Eagles" It's a whole book series devoted to the idea of Rome coming to and conquering America. With some exceptions to possible historical accuracy, it is still a very good read.
You'll definitely see more Marcuses in the us
Has anyone properly explained before why black Americans frequently have Roman names? Has always fascinated me. And where did the De- prefix come from, like DeMarcus?
@@MajesticSkywhale interesting never new that
@@MajesticSkywhale Yes, all the "De", "Da", "Le" and "La" prefixes of "black" names come from the French influence in places like Haiti and Louisiana. They are basically Creole names.
What if Julius Caesar was killed, his legions were wiped by the Gallic revolt and then Vercingetorix became king of united Gaul?
What if Caesarion lived and unified Egypt and Roman as one via his parents
Simonas Činikas I think that if United Gaul became a thing, Romans would have send all of their available legion to conquer them
luca draghi, I didn't say anything, how long united Gaul would survive Most likely they end up as Dacia. Dacia managed to beat roman legion, so Rome in order to show strength began extermination war against Dacia. Gaul could end like Germania after Teutoburg forest (Rome punishes and leaves). Or Senate would be pleased that Caesar got what he deserved, because Senate was against conquest of Gaul and what Caesar was doing in Gaul (killed one in four Gauls) and most especially against Caesar. Senate would condemn Caesar just as reckless, one who fights against allies. Historia Civilis good channel, quite well explains Caesar’s conquest of Gaul and how he angered Senate, recommend to watch. Besides Marcus Licinius Crassus, fiend of Caesar, one of triumvirate got kill himself in Parthia and Rome did nothing.
Most interesting question how Roman Republic would end up without Julius Caesar? Rome was unstable, but still with strong republican/democratic traditions.
I kinda wish there was a part 2 to this, it would be really cool
Terra Nova is obvious...but for some reason I like the idea of the Novan Empire, or Imperium Novus. Novan culture would drift from Roman culture as very different things would have to be done to survive, but still keep that Roman flare. Ie instead of conquering Gaul to defend Rome, Novans conquered the wilderness and issues. Innovation may become central to that culture, and return to Europe with these new ideas.
I'm a simple man, I see a monsieur Z video, I click.
Rome would get tobacco and chocolate some 1000 years early having unknown consequences but obviously very good for Rome. Instead of needing to connect to the eastern trade route it may be that China needs to get land to get those trade goods.
10:00 Hispania is a better example on how Rome would have treated america than North Africa and Germania. Germanis was never rdesired for it's resources but for it's strategic value allowing the shortening of the frontier along the Elbe Danube line rather than along the much longer Rhine Danube Line. And north africa was not some uninhabited backwater but an increadibly rich and fertile place with many powerful civilizations.
Meanwhile Hispania was a fairly sparsely populated region with a huge wealth in precious metals.
This is probably the very reason why the same territory later-called Spain did the exact same thing in the Americas
@@1erickf50 Oh yes they learned well. Though not only from the Romans the muslims did the same thing in hispania too, of course the muslims also learned it from the romans so...
First! Ahhh, another alternate history of the Roman Empire that has been remade. :) :D
Really cool timeline! This is definitely one of my favorites so far. Well done!
What if Ethiopia modernized around the same time Japan had their Meiji restoration and became a worthy opponent to the European colonial powers?
That's a fascinating 'what if'.
Well not much would have changed except Mussolini would have failed in taking it, just as he failed in places like Greece
@@ivanf.482 invade Greece now for the Italy
@@clydesteele2925 good memes never die ahahah
The could potentially colonize Madagascar, the east coast of Africa, South Africa, the small islands around there, maybe even Australia and islands near there. (Though depending on their timing the Europeans would probably beat them to most of the land in Oceania).
But more realistically and practically, they could consolidate their territory around the Horn of Africa, and take over Egypt using their modernized military. After Egypt got taken over by the Muslims the Ethiopians had been kind of diplomatically isolated for a while, so remedying this issue would probably be first order of business, now giving better diplomatic, trade, and technological access. With the Red Sea secured they could be a powerful trading empire as well. After this, they might go invade Yemen given they used to own it ages back, and further cementing their grip on the Horn. And maybe we wouldn't have to worry about Somali pirates in the modern day.
**Rome** “Fuck the seas, Its about the land conquest!”
**Years later.** “I need a navy.”
5:30 Rome curbstomped Parthia pretty much every time they fought the Parthian king of kings was imply not powerful enough within his own realm to put up the armies needed to fight Rome. Hence why after the rise of the far more centralized Sassanids the threat of Persia increases massively.
A couple of mistakes...
Both the Greeks and the Romans knew exactly how large the planet Earth was and they had a pretty good idea of the distance westward to the "eastern empires". Though they did not know of the continent of North America, the trip eastward would have been known to be long & hard...not an easy jaunt to China.
Also the Meso Americans had an extensive knowledge of hydraulics and water systems...irrigating most of their farmland. If the possible drought collapsed their civilizations...then the Romans probably would gave been in the same boat.
But l do enjoy the possibility in an alternate history, of Roman colonization of the new world...there are even some disputed claims that Roman ships visited the mouth of the Mississippi River.
Just some suggestions:
1-what if iran was hellenized
2-what if greek Buddhism continued in india (later was meanly the bactrian but they centeral asian not in india)
3- what if rome conquered yemen
4-what if iran was arabized
Do "What If the Japanese won the battle of the Coral Sea?".
What if the US government didn t bailout American banks after the 2008 economic crisis?
Doesn't need a whole video. The recession would have been deeper. But the recovery would have been faster and much stronger.
We would have had a real economy this decade
@Bruno Pereira, Not even slightly close. It would have been a deeper recession. But it would only have been for a year or less. Not a decade.
@Bruno Pereira, My bad. I assumed you were miss labeling the 1929 depression.
Wow, this was amazing!
Part 2 anyone!?
Do what if Rome never became Christian
Sounds good to me!
The west would be less shitty.
@@jSlazer1988 Why?
That would be very interesting to be fair. Christianity would probably never became so big and therefore Islam would never even become a thing or would never rise either. Slavic Gods would be incorporated or remained known instead of butchered by the christian expansion. The Roman idea of religion would likely make Central and East Asian diplomacy easier than it was and forms of colonialism less bloody as there would be less religious violence.
The world today would likely be polytheistic with the largest religion similar to monotheism being Buddhism which its self doesn't have a Gods.... so yeah... it would be different.
The thing is, religions large affect architecture which has then huge impact on civilisation. The only reason why there are skyscrapers today is because people learned how to build tall Gothic cathedrals. It would be... very different.
I also think it would affect slavery. America would likely have more old European idea of slavery rather than colonial. (anyone can be a slave, a defeated enemy, concurred land, or person in dept)
Probably Judaism would have been the main religion, since it was growing a lot , just like Christianity. I could very well see a Roman emperor turning Jewish and rebuilding the temple
I like the idea that its like the 6th Century, The Roman Empire is only in Italia, and the barbarians have divided the empire, and out of nowhere thousands of romans of old arrive on the Western shores, seemingly from nowwhere, and reconquer the Empire.
I love these "what if" type videos. This is one I've actually thought about a lot. Like what if Rome was still around and what if they had done this or that.. But I find that crazy that Rome is situated on a peninsula surrounded by the Mediterranean and they didn't really utilize naval technology that much.
I just subscribed. Man, this is a great what if, will you make a second part for thism
Imagine europeans landing on Rome America that has technologically advanced without dark ages
Based on the regions level of dependence and native loyalty to it's Roman culture, there'd still be a dark age following the fall/contraction of Rome. I mean the very heart of Rome fell during this period with Roman power barely clinging on to it's eastern holdings, there's no reason to believe an extreme fringe in the Americas would persevere. Just replace the conquering of former Roman provinces by the Germanics with any ambitious native tribe, the Incas and Aztec (or an entity resembling them) likely still rise to prominence during the European Medieval period.
The history of Europe progresses as it did, the new continents being forgotten by the general populace and mindset of Europe until the rise of Islam and it's conquest of the remnants of eastern Rome provide it with a chokehold on the 'silk road' (trade with the eastern worlds), thus setting the stage for sailing to the east around the otherside of the planet (the general theory being that the Earth is round), this in tune leading to the rediscovery of the 'new world' where likely little remains of Roman presence beyond abandoned ruins left in disrepair, not unlike was already present from the Mayan age or of Rome itself within Italy.
It would probably be a good idea to expand on the effects of the Columbian Exchange so early in world history. The Romans would have brought plagues, new crops, and new ideas to the Gulf of Mexico. Very good chance that the pandemic of the 15th C would sweep America, and one would go back (totally syphilis). That would be a video in itself.
A much simpler and far more likely way to have Romans in America would be
1) Being cut off from Egyptian grain imports
2) Fishing and trade in the North Sea becomes heavily invested in. Roman ships trade cod, wool, and other British Isle Goods. They colonize the Hebrides, and trade with other North Sea people.
3) Days long trips out to a calm sea continue until someone spots Iceland. They colonize Iceland.
4) Other people of the North Sea colonize or trade with Iceland. Romans continue to invest in this lifeline. Brittania to Iceland, to Greenland, and then eventually to Canada. The Fur trade alone would be enough for annual trips along this route. The Columbian exchange happens. Likely continued trips by several communities to this would result and a event like Vinland would not.
Here's another idea if you didn't like the last one I commented.
- What if Nepal, Bhutan and Tibet unified into one Kingdom?
I would love to read a novel about 'The Return' wherein fabled Terra Nova comes to the aid of the Roman Empire just as the Mongols are crossing into Europe, only to reveal themselves to be a different kind of conqueror who judge Rome to be inferior.
Not necessarily inferior but definitely superior to their roman forefathers .
What if Scandinavia had a united empire. (I know you did something like this with the Kalmar Union but I would love to see you either expand on that timeline or find a new scenario)
Actually another way this could happen is if Justin had adopted Khosrau, and Hence Justinian and Khosrau would have lived together for many years before Justin or Justinian would have helped Khosrau take the throne of the Sassanid empire. Rome and Persia would then not have been enemies from that time onwards but strong allies. Together they likely could have pacified the steppe frontier and then set out on their diffrent paths. Khosrau pacifying the east and Justinian the west. When the Arab invasions happen the roman territories would likely have fallen (because of the monophysite schism) but a Persia undamaged by the long conflict with Rome could have swept in an defeated the Arabs either returning the land to Rome of claiming it for themselves. Meanwhile in the west the Romans would have retaken Italy Africa and Spain a lot quicker than they did. So when the plague hit the Romans would not be bogged down in war at the same time and be able to redirect more resources to dealing with it.
Sooner or later relations would have soured between Persia and Rome and a aRome that held in the the west would have figured that perhaps they could bypass the silkroad to china by sending people west over the ocean. especially if Persia took Syria and Egypt from the Arabs giving the Romans an actual maritime enemy.
Edit: Actually no if the Antonine and Justinian plaques happened then it is very unlikely Rome would have set out seeking new lands.
I think this is an example where a single person could have a massive impact on history since in ancient Rome rich senators literally would occasionally raise their own army (there were a LOT of civil wars before Caesar). So imagine one senator from our timeline was born different, as in a different sperm fertilized the same egg and the result is a more eccentric individual with fanciful ideas. With his immense wealth he decides to personally fund an exploration north that winds up finding Iceland, Greenland and eventually New Foundland. The expedition returns with amazing news of untouched land far to the west and strange red skinned peoples. Boom. Further expeditions are sent out, eventually Roman explorers move far enough south to realize that the land is huge and decidedly wealthy. Inevitably the empire still forms, the emperors go from capable to looney toons and eventually you get someone like Caligula or Nero who is like "Let's waste a shitload of money on conquering far away lands." Heck from what I read the conquest of Britain was more a drain than a gain for the Romans and was conquered more for political reasons than any economic ones. If the Romans knew of relatively weak peoples to the west it is reasonable (well, actually it is always "unreasonable" but rather it is "believable") that one lunatic emperor or another would seek to expand that way. So you don't need to cut off the empire from the east to explain it when there are some emperors who were COMPLETELY insane and could believably take advantage of something like the new world of they merely knew it existed. *Cough* Commodus *cough*
There NEEDS to be a part two for this. Roman-Americans coming back from some fabled land in the West that allowed them to build an empire *exponentially* larger than anything they had before and trying to take back the old empire?! Dude that is sick! Imagine controlling North, Central, and South America AND Europe *AND* parts of Africa and Asia?!
I'd love a part two. Going more into detail about terra Nova returning to Europe
The only alternate timeline needed for this option is that Rome doesn’t turn into crap during the third century. That’s it. Since they already knew about the Canary Islands, they just needed the scientific spirit of the first two centuries to push them further west.
This fantasy underestimates the huge improvements in technology that made crossing the Atlantic possible.
Like what
I found it before i was notified
I would love to have a second part to this. Like a saga for this what if into the 21st century
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Latin America is kinda like a modern Roman Empire, they are Roman Catholic, speak Romanesque Latin languages Spanish and Portuguese and are half southern european Mediterranean blooded...the territory is about the same size too
What if Japan became Christian in the 1600s?
What if Canada adopted Social credit during the great depression?
What if the USSR and India became one country somehow ?
What if Russia won the Crimean war? Or Austria helped Russia?
@Bruno Pereira Look at the Afghan war. USSR used muslims to fight muslims until they decided to just send Russian troops.
I wonder what the romans would think about mayan pyramids. They'd be like " wait a minute did egypt beat us here? They were lying to us the whole time?!?!"
The Mayans continue to exist to this day. If they had arrived before 900 AD, the Mayans would have been booming.
First, What if the Heavenly Kingdom succeded
Great video
Huzzah more Rome
Also what if Rome Stayed Hellenic?
Latin*
Latin wasn't the name of the religion xd
The video actually starts at 8:00
Your really going in on Rome huh
Nice video
Since the Romans struggled just cross the english channel I dought they would even make it across the Atlantic.
It's alternate scenario. Get a life.
I have always been fascinated by Rome and enjoy these videos. I have always wondered how if both the alternatives of Rome conquering Germania and then deciding to try sailing West.
I thought this was an intriguing scenario. In the US I could see Rome using tribes as mercenaries to fight other tribes. In doing so, the native population would civilize much faster and we could see tribal invasions of the Roman terrible akin to that of Germanic tribes. Whatever tribes hold the Mississippi would become very wealthy and a huge threat to Roman territory. I could also see the Romans in the new world acting independent of Rome in short order as well. Id think than Roman territory would hug the east coast up to the Appalachian Mountains and round the Gulf Coast and follow the Rio Grande then towards California and the gold mines. The native tribes would probably develop into countries of their own throughout time. I'd think there'd be 4 Roman countries in the New World. Then the introduction of the gun would enter the New World much sooner as well.
Did you change your channel name or am I crazy? Good video btw! I love these alternate history theories so much
Alternate Joseph Smith, alternate Latin version of The book of Mormon.
HERESY
The 2 best alternate history channel's have very similar voice narrating lol. I like Z and alternate history hub.
I think it would be more likely that due to the size of the new world there would be a bunch of roman civilizations. The most powerful on of these most likely being in the Mississippi gulf coast area. Places like Texas wouldn't have alot of resources that the Romans would need or use so I dont think Texas would be very big in the beginning. I dont see the Romans going into Canada do to the size of the land and the habitability of the land But places like Nova Scotia, New York and New England might have some small port cites. The great lakes would be a bit to far north for the Romans I think and I dont think the snow there would help. The west coast of america wouldn't be touched for a while do to distance but after Rome collapses a kingdom from mexico might settle the land. The desert most likely would hold them off for a while tho.
If Rome discovered Australia, would we have Kangaroo chariots?
This gives a new meaning to Italian Americans lol :)
More like Latin in all honesty
@@ApexCalibre The real and original Latins are Italians.
@@ceasaris7702 Yes and no. The original Latins lived in what we now call Italy. But they weren’t “Italians”. We don’t consider Italians today Romans for example
@@ApexCalibre We do though, Romans are the ancient Italian history. Just like we consider Ancient Greece Ancient *Greek* history and Ancient Egyptian history Ancient *Egyptian* history.
@@ceasaris7702 But they’re not the same thing. A Roman and an Italian while sharing the same home couldn’t be more different. Even ancient greek and modern greek are very different
It’ll be amazing if you made a part two to this
What if America discovered Rome?
Ahh the classic Civ game; where you secretly conquer an empty(ish) continent, develop your tech to absurd levels then surprise attack the enemy phalanx back in the homeland with ICBMs.
When you play on the Terra map as Kupe and you claim the entire "New World" for yourself
This is the Best f-#*ing video you have done so far, just imagine how hype would be the real Latin culture of the Americas
14:00 yeah you're not at all reaching to get an independent America... Even during the height of the crisis of the third century no one declared independence from Rome, such a concept just wasn't in the Roman mindset. The Genrals stationed in the west may have gone back east to set themselves up as Imperators but Rome was one empire under one emperor until Diocletian.
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What if Europe, Middle East, America and Africa had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?
Should've titled it: What if Rome discovered the Second Amendment
Bows would be protected. But it would hard to find the arrows.
I need a part two man!
Part two would be godly!
We gotta have a part 2 for this it's so interesting
Bro, sounds like alternate history hubs brother
This is incredible and very interesting please make a part two
Finally a long video talking about alt Roman history, the other ones were only like 5 minutes
Ok this is a fav of mine anything what if with Roman Empire very cool vid
Now that was some great story telling! Hope you do a follow up on this Scenario.
This is my favourite alt history video ever
This would be a hell of a book series.
When the Romano-Apatchean Cavalry proceed to roflstomp the Huns and Goths, while the Legions of Terra Nova reclaim the continent... It'll be LIT.
One of the biggest problems with Rome discovering the Americas is, galleys were the norm on the Mediterranean but they are nearly useless on the open Atlantic.
I'd love to see part 2 if and when you decide to do it.
The thing is Bronze age Europeans knew they existed, knew how to reach it as north American coper has been found in Europe.
The irish, Vikings, and greeks knew it existed they just never wanted to expand in the region
Is their a playlist with all of your Rome videos if not then someone should organise that