+ComicsExplained what i find weird with Flashpoint's logic is if Thawn killed Barry's mom by time traveling then the whole universe is an altered timeline which means that Barry saving his mom should just fix things like time traveling heroes do all the time not cause that worst case scenario world that doesn't happen when over time travelers undo time alterations unless that was the original timeline(which we know its not since Barry is still the flash in Thawn's timeline) in which case Thawn is a hero well anti hero
This video is like watching a really smart mathematician trying to explain a really complex equation while the numbers keep moving around the chalkboard like ants. I enjoyed this video.
Who remembers the Justice League Unlimited episode where time collapsed and they saw the hand of God, but they referred to it as "The Secret of The Universe"?
Man, ridiculous multi reboots like this are why i never got into comics regularly. I know they do some of these to make it easier for new readers to get into things, but for me it has the opposite effect. They can't ever get rid of all the old stuff, because it will alienate old readers, and that makes new/occasional readers like me feel like I NEED to catch up on all the old stuff to understand everything. I'd prefer if they just occasionally released summary volumes of all the important points of a character for new readers to catch up with. Otherwise, I'm sticking to the movies and TV shows that seem less interested in injecting themselves into the decades long continuity of the comics.
Josh Rizzo if you are a company, you cater to the best compromise for all fans. Not the best thing for one snowflake. Sure, DC can alter their comics to something you and your generation will love...then what? What happens when you, or others of your generation get tired of comics? How do they make money? Answer is simple, they don’t. Their wants>Your wants.
First we'd have to see if it's any good in the first place. The only thing we have to judge it on so far is Man of Steel, which I am pretty divided over.
+Sjono They have already rebooted multiple times. The Dark Knight, the Burton films, the Shoemaker films and Adam West film have nothing to do with Batman v Superman. The Reeves Superman has nothing to do with Man of Steel. We've already experienced reboots. When DC wants to start over, they will just start fresh.
+krim7 Those films were all standalone films in their own separate continuity. It was easy to reboot. The DCCU on the other hand will have an ongoing continuity that future live action DC films will have to abide by. I wouldn't be surprised if DCCU hit the reboot button sooner than the MCU
I think it stands to reason that even the most well-versed and expansive collectors find this series of reboots confusing. To be honest, I don't think I will ever truly follow all of this. I do, however, appreciate al the time it took for you to put this together, Rob. This would be a LOT of work, and likely lead to a series of blank stares and empty drinks afterward.
DC has actually only had 2 reboots. Crisis and Flashpoint. Every other "reboot" were more retcon events. Similar to how Convergence and Rebirth are ACTUAL reboots, but just reconning new elements into the continuity. Marvel does retcons too, but they kind of "just happen" instead of being explained in an event. The reality there has only been 4 cannon superman's. Golden Age, Silver Age, Post-Crisis, and New 52. The same with Wonder Woman, Batman, and other characters. Events like Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, and Convergence still retained the same continuity, they just added elements from older previously "wiped out" continuities. Again Flashpoint is the only other real reboot where the super heroes were placed with different versions.
Thank you for this video! It explains a lot I wasn't aware of, I'm a new reader I started with New 52, but it always confused me when I got to Green lantern, blackest night, and all Goeff Johns story lines.
I could see DCEU building up to Anti-Monitor as is Marvel with Infinity wars. DC could reboot their universe with Flashpoint paradox or end it with Kingdom come , would like to see Blackest night on the big-screen
+Star Wars The Force Awakens:Episode VII Nah, that stuff is way too confusing. Infinity Wars was a pretty simple event, Blackest Night requires decades of deaths and returns.
Xavi Golden Marvel doing Civil war, the possibility out there. Blackest night- they can do , it can be in a GL film in the future, DC has the rights to all their characters,their not limited into anything. Kingdom come is a good wrap up say end of their Phases , Injustice Gods among us another good elseworld story Flashpoint paradox- brilliant
Please, whatever Rebirth winds up being, just let it be good. If we can get a solid DC cinematic universe going and a great comics line up DC can really get a good thing going.
Easily one of your best videos yet, and all of your videos are pretty awesome. You just pretty much cleared up any confusions I had with DC continuity and for that I thank you.
i feel like everytime i step away from comics for whatever reason when i finally wanna jump back in the entire landscape of both companies are completely changed so seriously thank you for creating this channel id be so lost without it
+Captain PissPiss That is the music that plays at the very end of the movie ... Right before the credits when all the kids are running around and the Mortal fighters think they've won. Little do our heroes know ..... that a shitty sequel would continue their miserable adventures.
So let me get this straight, DC destroyed their multiverse after Crisis on Infinite Earths and reformed it into one singular universe, then they literally rebooted that universe in Zero Hour, brought back the multiverse again temporarily in Infinitive Crisis but at the end of that it dissolved back into one universe but then fragmented into 52 parallel universes and created the 52 multiverse? Holy shit that's insane.
My question is whats the point? Doing all these reboots I don't feel like the character have become that much interesting it just makes me feel like it made things more confusing.
+Wilbert Rivera Well, CRISIS is at fault here. It was a FREAKING AWESOME reboot, but since it was such a hit, DC assumed that a reboot could be their solution for every time things got confusing.
+Dylan Gouldthorpe Well, it's not that complicated. Barry Allen's return from the speed force coincides with Nekron recruiting Black Hand to use fake Batman's skull to resurrect the Hawks, who then... never mind. It's complicated.
+ComicsExplained I Don't think it's a reboot. This Rebirth is supposedly headed by the Creative teams that did Flash:Rebirth and Green Lantern:Rebirth which saw Barry Allen and Hal Jordon brought back to life.
I am rereading all the reboots because these editors and writers have totally confused me. Thanks for explaining this collage of confusion. DC doesn't give a damn about its readers; they're all about selling more comics, sometimes badly written stories. GREAT UPLOAD, BRO!!
+ComicsExplained Cool video and it helped a little. Just a suggestion; it'd be great if you could do an in depth breakdown of each reboot both DC and Marvel have gone through over the years would be great. I know I might be asking too much, but now I'm interested in what actually happened in the stories and not just how they affected each multiverse respectively. Thought it'd be a cool idea if your looking for one for your next video series. Just do me a favor and give me a shout-out in the first video if you end up doing that. Other than that keep doing what you're doing I enjoy it along with all your other subscribers.
I'm going with: 1. Crisis on Infinite Earths. 2. Infinite Crisis Omnibus. 3. Flashpoint in a future Omnibus. 4. New52/Rebirth....and Rebirth being much better than New52. I would have maybe skipped the New52 but some of it is good.
Great Video, Rob. It is nice to see a longer video. It definitely reminds me of when you first started. A bet with more refinement. While I fully understood what happened in the video, it made me cognizant of one fact; why Comics are so niche nowadays. I understand why Crisis on Infinite Earths needed to happen, but essentially all these other huge story events/ "crises" boil down to lack of a cohesive continuity amongst DC. To be fair, there will be no such thing as a perfect continuity. Even in the most robust ones, you are bound to encounter problems. I know this being a diehard EU fan of Star Wars(hence, one of the reasons why I was open to the EU going away. Though, I'll admit the decision was handled poorly). Having all these events go down so as to restart with number one's, can be quite confusing to newcomers of comics. Especially, if they are required to have some background information on these events and the writers do not convey this information. I'll always love DC. Especially, for the Marc Wolfman and George Perez run on the Titans and Aquaman. But rebooting yet again after a major event just is going to make it harder, relatively, for newcommers to get into DC comics. It is this reason why I loved the Ultimates, as it gave a cool refreshing take(except Ultimatum. Screw that comic). Overall, great work as always Rob.
I believe that the 'Rebirth' reboot will be heavily inspired or even based on the DCEU films, perhaps they will give backstory to Batfleck's twenty year history, Wonder Woman's 5,000, Superman after man of steel and BvS and the rest of the heroes. This may be done so the comics can sell more. It's called DC 'Extended' Universe after all, maybe an extension of films, comics, shows, animations and even videogames.
Great video, this really helped, I've got an idea for a video, you should explain the two cities of Krypton, Kandor and Kryptonopolis, could be a short video, but Kandor is quite a good story to tell, the whole Brainiac thing and everything
And this is why I don’t like DC. Every few years the HAVE to change everything and make it new and easier to understand, only to make it complicated again later and now they need to reboot it all again.
A minor odd reboot took on Earth 2 place during the JLA/JSA meetings. Originally Earth 2 was still in the 1940's when the first meeting took place. I think around the 3rd or 4th one they had a crisis where they were in the same time period as Earth 1.
Great video on trying to explain all of the DC reboots, but I felt like I was on Mister Toad's wild ride. I mean, I get what happened, and at least for the first two I kind of get why they did it, but after that, the whys just keep on stacking on top of each other. You would think after Infinite Crisis, they'd have been satisfied.
power girl's origin was established after infinite crisis not final crisis. In JSA's one year later she is aware of coming from earth 2. and even speaks to everyone about it.
So basically, New 52 destroyed all previous continuity except for Batman's and Green Lantern's? And Convergence basically brings everything back? Honestly, the New 52 stuff is when things get really confusing for me.
And I just thought of this, but doesn't the Convergence basically make all of the previous Crisis events unnecessary? And how does DC Rebirth fit into all of this?
What a mess. It still cracks me up that they let green lantern and batman's continuities continue especially since in that window there are crossovers with other DC characters that were 100% rebooted.
20:10 So golden age was "retconing" being earth 2 all this time Silver age become the real earth 1 then they make *Crisis on infinite earths* because money and destroy the multiverse, now making different versions of the same heroes this make everything a mess for the fans so they rebooting with *zero hour* erasing the bad stuff these new world didn't like so they made a soft-reboot with *Infinite crisis* erasing just little details and adding heroes, with this DC brought old characters and new ones recreating the multiverse BUT They made an event *final crisis* because money, so the heroes now can travel through earths EVERYTHING ITS OKEY BUT *Flashpoint* sigh Flash changes and fix the timeline rebooting all creating "new 52" new 52 didn't like so they made *convergence* bringing all thing back and now they make another soft-reboot *Rebirth* (like infinite crisis) erasing fails and adding new stuff
All these reboots really annoy me, especially Flashpoint and Convergence. I kinda feel like they should've at least given the Final Crisis multiverse a chance, instead of almost instantly diving into Flashpoint. I'm just hoping that this next reboot doesn't mess things up more. Whilst Convergence was weak, the end goal and ideal to have every continuity co-exist may sound like a mess, but at least each person could go back and follow the stories of the continuities they liked, whilst not worrying about the ones they didn't. But, I get the feeling the next reboot will just be another New 52, if you know what I mean.
Could you possibly do a video on why convergence was important, ( if at all) because I thought that it was going to be a turn around for DC and it would slowly become good again. My problem with it is that while the first 2 issues felt to me like the story was going to be great then after 3 or 4 it became pointless and confusing. I felt cheated out of money and time. Please help.
that's how I felt when I was over nothing really changed... but a according to this video it brought back pre-flashpoint characters such as Lois and Clark
+Darkshade993 Convergence brought back characters from previous continuities and allowed them to become the stars of their own comics. Superman: Lois and Clark are from the Post-Crisis Universe but are now living on the New 52 universe.
People keep complaining about the bad DCU movies but what they don't realize is that DC source materials are messed up! Rob now i see why you never finished the history of DC universe video. But would it be possible for you to do a DC power hierarchy video?
I don't know if you skipped because of time constraints, but what of DC's brief flirtation of "Hypertime?" From what I recall, it was basically a multiverse of sorts, but with "alternate timelines." Except that it had the main DC timeline, with other timelines branching out from it and occasionally intersecting with each other. Nothing really came out of it though except a couple story arcs from Superboy (Kon-el/Connor Kent's first series) and Flash. Personally, I found the distinction between parallel universes and alternate timelines to be a false one.
Good video Rob, i really needed it because it's so confusing. But could you do a video on Hydra please? I've been chasing you in every video telling you
You did good job explaining the subject in the time allotted. But DC still had a few very soft reboots leading up to infinite Crisis and before Final Crisis. With a Rebirth here and a Secret Origins there tweaking some of the rebooted continuity. Not to mention trying to bring the Kingdom Come universe into DC continuity and Hypertime. Still a good peak at the major reboots. You can entire episodes of the three Crises and pick apart and analyze the insanity of Final Crisis and Convergence. Love to see more in the future. Thanks.
This was a pretty solid wide-angle look at what I think has been the biggest issue for DC. I will say though, Final Crisis is the series that made me stop reading comics altogether. Final Crisis was so hard to follow, read very poorly based on how everything was broken up, and had the absolutely most convenient plot devices I have ever seen. Bullets that fire backwards through time, Miracle Machines that grant wishes, music defeats Darkseid, Batman using a gun (something the character has always been against, but F that). It was a story that made me question why people consider Grant Morrison a good writer. Props for being able to parse through everything. Though there will likely be another event in a year that'll reset a lot of this content as well :(
new 52 gave a structure to the multiverse, in order for writers to explore creative concepts, while sticking to continuity. convergence made everything in the DC Universe canon and valid.
Wait a minute...so now thanks to Brainiac, EVERYTHING is back?! Basically, don't worry about following all of this because, the Golden, Silver, and Bronze Ages, New Earth, and Earth Prime now all exist *AGAIN* or am I missing something?????
People seem to forget that these "so many reboots" took place over 80 years of comic history. That's not that many. Christ. This isn't like rebooting Hulk movies 2.5 times in the course of 10 years.
I think i would have preferred the GL video, if only because it would have been easier to follow, I mean, Good Lord, DC needs to work on clearing some of that mess up. Still, very well explained, thank you.
I just can't wrap my head around this... Why? I get that in the beginning dc didn't realise how all the new heroes they were creating would spin out of control. It was the beginning of a new industry and they had no idea that if they want to mentain a continuity then contradictions would happen. So one reboot to explain the existence of the multiverse was enough. But then... Well, I do feel the need of periodical reboots, but maybe with less convoluted storylines and not to retcon a hundred things and characters, just to whipe the slate clean for new readers. I think 20 years between each reboot would be great. It would give readers time to age with one iteration the characters and it would allow characters themselves to develop enough. This is comics after all, so besides the main chronology, during the 20 years span you could have stories like the war of jokes and riddles (a "previously untold story" in the mythos of a character) and stories like the dark knight returns, exploring a possible end of that character, even if in the main continuity the character never gets to live through that until the universe is rebooted. But as things are right now... I fell in love with miller-era batman and I feel like that's one of the most compelling Batman chronologies (being very long, like the batman from the 40s through the 70s, is also a problem). But then in the past decade we had both the new 52 and rebirth. Amd while some of the other reboots didn't erase Batman's (and most of anyone else's) history, it did sth that for me is far worse: retconning. I wish Marvel and dc would grow more into a james bond direction where all movies are in one continuity and with no retcons, up until a point: namely the Daniel Craig series, which is a reboot. But not a retcon.
BIG correction: The character that you keep referring to as the Earth 3 Lex Luthor is incorrect. The Earth 3 Lex Luthor was the father to this character, ALEXANDER Luthor. As with the the rest of the Earth 3 universe Lex Luthor and his wife, Lois Lane died (or disappeared) along with that universe's entire existence. Before the destruction of Earth 3, Lex Luthor put his infant son (Alexander) into a space ship and sent him (eventually) to the realm of The Monitor. This story is intentionally a reproduction of the Superman origin.
I really do thank you for explaining the WHOLE DC Continuity, quite the remarkable thing given that sometimes not even the most hardcore or they`re own writers can`t do it as well .... having said that ... even if DC has great heroes (batman of course, but not limited to him), I prefer MARVEL because even when dealing with multiverse situation the stories are much more cohesive, proof is that .... They`ve only needed 1 REBOOT
Summary: Why invest in DC comics, when you can read Gunslinger Girl, that doesn't constantly reboot its universe, and doesn't tire of masked man tropes.
It seems like ever since 1939 (the year i think you said) DC been rebooting. I know i might get some shit for this, but sometimes i look towards the animated series for some continuity....SOMETIMES not all the time. Rob nice video as always keep it up.
DC should make an event or storyline that explains NEW52 Hal Jordan and his connection to the previous universe. Seriously if his entire history is still canon within his book then he's a walking time paradox in the NEW52. Maybe instead of the universe being rebooted it was only earth itself that was restarted. it would explain why heroes and villains like hal, kyle, sinestro, etc can mention stuff like Emerald Twilight and the Blackest Night but when they go to Earth their minds shift over to a new continuity where none of that happened without ever realizing it. I dunno give us something DC LoL
What really amazes me, is that once COIE hit, every few years DC went into a reboot. We've had quite a lot of soft and hard reboots and even relaunches in approx 30 years while we let about 40 years of continuity stand previously. I understand that it's a money making business and new 52 isn't so hot right now but DC should have said "screw it we're in this for the long haul" and go hard. I love pre 52 as much as any one but the minute they wiped the history before they should have accepted it and moved on accordingly, and the new readers would come. No more tie ins or major crossovers or alternate universes, just 10 years straight of story and development and letting us love this new characters, but no we're back to another reboot.
Rebirth is just a relaunch with various elements of the Flashpoint event being retconned. It's not a reboot. Everything that happened in N52 still happened. They are just taking characters and elements from pre52 that people loved and missed, then putting it back. Taking the storytelling back to it's roots but going forward with the newer stuff that n52 introduced.
It almost seems like everthing in DC Universe .Has it going back to Crisis on Infinite Earths .And that was back in 1985..So the one moment in DC Universe has a ripple effect all the way to current events in the DC Universe .
So basically DC tried to simplify things, fucked up, and now it's infinitely more complicated than when they started, nice
D.C - *Destroy Continuity*
or DC = Ditch Continuality, lol
+RaginDXDemon or DC = Don't Care...
DC = Damn Crisis.
+RaginDXDemon DC= Damn Confusing
+RaginDXDemon Does Marvel do a better job of this? Serious question, I like both companies equally.
This was the most confusing stuff ever lol I may have to rewatch a few times to get it right!
Soo... Brainiac is the biggest DC fan in the multiverse
I know it's a late upload but it took me a day or so just to figure out Final Crisis...
+ComicsExplained
So in a nutshell you're saying this...DC doesn't know what to do?
+ComicsExplained so are we going to get back the pre 52 universe
So does this mean we are going to get back the pre flashpoint universe or not because I am so confused
I loved Final Crisis, but it gets weird. Multiversity is kind of a follow up to it!!
+ComicsExplained what i find weird with Flashpoint's logic is if Thawn killed Barry's mom by time traveling then the whole universe is an altered timeline which means that Barry saving his mom should just fix things like time traveling heroes do all the time not cause that worst case scenario world that doesn't happen when over time travelers undo time alterations unless that was the original timeline(which we know its not since Barry is still the flash in Thawn's timeline) in which case Thawn is a hero well anti hero
and marvel just said "there's infinite alternative realities. if something weird happens you're in one of those."
I'm more confused now.
This video is like watching a really smart mathematician trying to explain a really complex equation while the numbers keep moving around the chalkboard like ants. I enjoyed this video.
You lost me around the 10 minute mark. You need a reboot of this video
eazybe1 just watch it a few more times
Who remembers the Justice League Unlimited episode where time collapsed and they saw the hand of God, but they referred to it as "The Secret of The Universe"?
Man, ridiculous multi reboots like this are why i never got into comics regularly. I know they do some of these to make it easier for new readers to get into things, but for me it has the opposite effect. They can't ever get rid of all the old stuff, because it will alienate old readers, and that makes new/occasional readers like me feel like I NEED to catch up on all the old stuff to understand everything.
I'd prefer if they just occasionally released summary volumes of all the important points of a character for new readers to catch up with. Otherwise, I'm sticking to the movies and TV shows that seem less interested in injecting themselves into the decades long continuity of the comics.
Josh Rizzo if you are a company, you cater to the best compromise for all fans.
Not the best thing for one snowflake. Sure, DC can alter their comics to something you and your generation will love...then what? What happens when you, or others of your generation get tired of comics? How do they make money? Answer is simple, they don’t.
Their wants>Your wants.
@@giovannitorres9337 what a passive aggressive ass comment lmao. & yellow from the future.
Honestly that sounds like a good idea you have
Imagine the horror that would happen if DC starts rebooting it's cinematic universe 20 years from now
And the messed up part is that they will just like comics people always want something new to read or in this case a new movie
+Sjono What is this "if" you speak of? I know only of a "when".
First we'd have to see if it's any good in the first place. The only thing we have to judge it on so far is Man of Steel, which I am pretty divided over.
+Sjono They have already rebooted multiple times.
The Dark Knight, the Burton films, the Shoemaker films and Adam West film have nothing to do with Batman v Superman. The Reeves Superman has nothing to do with Man of Steel.
We've already experienced reboots.
When DC wants to start over, they will just start fresh.
+krim7
Those films were all standalone films in their own separate continuity. It was easy to reboot. The DCCU on the other hand will have an ongoing continuity that future live action DC films will have to abide by. I wouldn't be surprised if DCCU hit the reboot button sooner than the MCU
I think it stands to reason that even the most well-versed and expansive collectors find this series of reboots confusing. To be honest, I don't think I will ever truly follow all of this. I do, however, appreciate al the time it took for you to put this together, Rob. This would be a LOT of work, and likely lead to a series of blank stares and empty drinks afterward.
Just remember dc's policy when in doubt reboot it out
DC has actually only had 2 reboots. Crisis and Flashpoint. Every other "reboot" were more retcon events. Similar to how Convergence and Rebirth are ACTUAL reboots, but just reconning new elements into the continuity. Marvel does retcons too, but they kind of "just happen" instead of being explained in an event.
The reality there has only been 4 cannon superman's. Golden Age, Silver Age, Post-Crisis, and New 52. The same with Wonder Woman, Batman, and other characters. Events like Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, and Convergence still retained the same continuity, they just added elements from older previously "wiped out" continuities. Again Flashpoint is the only other real reboot where the super heroes were placed with different versions.
So Crisis and Flashpoint eliminate while the orthers add and edit?
I literally understood almost none of this
Thank you for this video! It explains a lot I wasn't aware of, I'm a new reader I started with New 52, but it always confused me when I got to Green lantern, blackest night, and all Goeff Johns story lines.
I could see DCEU building up to Anti-Monitor as is Marvel with Infinity wars. DC could reboot their universe with Flashpoint paradox or end it with Kingdom come , would like to see Blackest night on the big-screen
looks as if they are building up to darksied
+Star Wars The Force Awakens:Episode VII Nah, that stuff is way too confusing. Infinity Wars was a pretty simple event, Blackest Night requires decades of deaths and returns.
Xavi Golden Marvel doing Civil war, the possibility out there. Blackest night- they can do , it can be in a GL film in the future, DC has the rights to all their characters,their not limited into anything. Kingdom come is a good wrap up say end of their Phases , Injustice Gods among us another good elseworld story Flashpoint paradox- brilliant
Axel Quatripolar We don't know just yet, Comicbook fans are craving for a joined universe of DCTV & DCEU like the MCU.
Axel Quatripolar We'll see if its done right
Please, whatever Rebirth winds up being, just let it be good. If we can get a solid DC cinematic universe going and a great comics line up DC can really get a good thing going.
Update 6 years later? What's your opinion?
Easily one of your best videos yet, and all of your videos are pretty awesome. You just pretty much cleared up any confusions I had with DC continuity and for that I thank you.
awesome video. orbital on the background makes it that much better. thumbs up dude.
i feel like everytime i step away from comics for whatever reason when i finally wanna jump back in the entire landscape of both companies are completely changed so seriously thank you for creating this channel id be so lost without it
God this stuff is ridiculous when you say it out loud...
Thumbs up for the use of Halycon & On & On by Orbital in the background though :D
@14:00 .... I know the Mortal Kombat soundtrack when I hear it ....
+Captain PissPiss That is the music that plays at the very end of the movie ... Right before the credits when all the kids are running around and the Mortal fighters think they've won. Little do our heroes know ..... that a shitty sequel would continue their miserable adventures.
+Captain PissPiss what's the name of the song?
Orbital - "Halcyon On and On"
What's the music before that?
But do you know ‘Hackers’ music when you hear it?
So let me get this straight, DC destroyed their multiverse after Crisis on Infinite Earths and reformed it into one singular universe, then they literally rebooted that universe in Zero Hour, brought back the multiverse again temporarily in Infinitive Crisis but at the end of that it dissolved back into one universe but then fragmented into 52 parallel universes and created the 52 multiverse? Holy shit that's insane.
My question is whats the point? Doing all these reboots I don't feel like the character have become that much interesting it just makes me feel like it made things more confusing.
+Wilbert Rivera Well that's the problem, entire reboots are done rather than fixing small things in a singular comic.
+ComicsExplained can you do the blackest night?
+Wilbert Rivera Well, CRISIS is at fault here. It was a FREAKING AWESOME reboot, but since it was such a hit, DC assumed that a reboot could be their solution for every time things got confusing.
+Dylan Gouldthorpe Well, it's not that complicated. Barry Allen's return from the speed force coincides with Nekron recruiting Black Hand to use fake Batman's skull to resurrect the Hawks, who then... never mind. It's complicated.
+ComicsExplained I Don't think it's a reboot. This Rebirth is supposedly headed by the Creative teams that did Flash:Rebirth and Green Lantern:Rebirth which saw Barry Allen and Hal Jordon brought back to life.
Rob, you didn't start with "So what I wanna do" and it threw me off, mate.
I am rereading all the reboots because these editors and writers have totally confused me. Thanks for explaining this collage of confusion. DC doesn't give a damn about its readers; they're all about selling more comics, sometimes badly written stories. GREAT UPLOAD, BRO!!
So - many - CRISES - CANT - BARE 🥴
REBOOOOOT
+ComicsExplained Cool video and it helped a little. Just a suggestion; it'd be great if you could do an in depth breakdown of each reboot both DC and Marvel have gone through over the years would be great. I know I might be asking too much, but now I'm interested in what actually happened in the stories and not just how they affected each multiverse respectively. Thought it'd be a cool idea if your looking for one for your next video series. Just do me a favor and give me a shout-out in the first video if you end up doing that. Other than that keep doing what you're doing I enjoy it along with all your other subscribers.
The part about Final Crisis just about rebooted my brain
I'm going with:
1. Crisis on Infinite Earths.
2. Infinite Crisis Omnibus.
3. Flashpoint in a future Omnibus.
4. New52/Rebirth....and Rebirth being much better than New52.
I would have maybe skipped the New52 but some of it is good.
Impressive man. This was quite the undertaking.
corrected title:
A History of DC's half-assed Reboots
I think it's really cool how you have that song from the Mortal Kombat movie playing in the background I think it fits
That background music was from the pre end scene in Mortal Kombat when they beat Shang Tsung! Happy memory activated lol.
Wow! Is that Orbital's "Halcyon On and On" in background? You kick ass with da music bro!
I've read final crisis a few times and it still doesn't make all that much sense to me, but very awesome video rob!!
Great Video, Rob. It is nice to see a longer video. It definitely reminds me of when you first started. A bet with more refinement. While I fully understood what happened in the video, it made me cognizant of one fact; why Comics are so niche nowadays.
I understand why Crisis on Infinite Earths needed to happen, but essentially all these other huge story events/ "crises" boil down to lack of a cohesive continuity amongst DC. To be fair, there will be no such thing as a perfect continuity. Even in the most robust ones, you are bound to encounter problems. I know this being a diehard EU fan of Star Wars(hence, one of the reasons why I was open to the EU going away. Though, I'll admit the decision was handled poorly).
Having all these events go down so as to restart with number one's, can be quite confusing to newcomers of comics. Especially, if they are required to have some background information on these events and the writers do not convey this information. I'll always love DC. Especially, for the Marc Wolfman and George Perez run on the Titans and Aquaman. But rebooting yet again after a major event just is going to make it harder, relatively, for newcommers to get into DC comics.
It is this reason why I loved the Ultimates, as it gave a cool refreshing take(except Ultimatum. Screw that comic). Overall, great work as always Rob.
Good stuff Rob, I'm more of a Marvel fan boy and I've always been confused on DC reboots. It's still confusing but this helps a lot.
I believe that the 'Rebirth' reboot will be heavily inspired or even based on the DCEU films, perhaps they will give backstory to Batfleck's twenty year history, Wonder Woman's 5,000, Superman after man of steel and BvS and the rest of the heroes. This may be done so the comics can sell more. It's called DC 'Extended' Universe after all, maybe an extension of films, comics, shows, animations and even videogames.
I like how In order to get rid of confusion between characters they make and extremly confusing storyline to solve the problem
Great video, this really helped, I've got an idea for a video, you should explain the two cities of Krypton, Kandor and Kryptonopolis, could be a short video, but Kandor is quite a good story to tell, the whole Brainiac thing and everything
I lost track of what was going on after 5 minutes.
Yeah! 20 mins Videos again!
missed them too
+Camilo Roldán It's like he wants to keep them short >:(
wow rob awesome video. this video basiclly round up all of you dc videos:)
my head hurts
And this is why I don’t like DC. Every few years the HAVE to change everything and make it new and easier to understand, only to make it complicated again later and now they need to reboot it all again.
Excellent work Rob! This is essentially the closest thing to an authoritative history of the DC universe/multiverse.
A minor odd reboot took on Earth 2 place during the JLA/JSA meetings. Originally Earth 2 was still in the 1940's when the first meeting took place. I think around the 3rd or 4th one they had a crisis where they were in the same time period as Earth 1.
I appreciate your comics explain series a lot
Thank you so much man. I've read Final Crisis 20 times and now I finally understand what happened. Thanks
Someday maybe they'll do the "Crisis of F#@k It: Everything is changed and corrected"
We can dream, can't we...
Great video on trying to explain all of the DC reboots, but I felt like I was on Mister Toad's wild ride. I mean, I get what happened, and at least for the first two I kind of get why they did it, but after that, the whys just keep on stacking on top of each other. You would think after Infinite Crisis, they'd have been satisfied.
power girl's origin was established after infinite crisis not final crisis. In JSA's one year later she is aware of coming from earth 2. and even speaks to everyone about it.
So basically, New 52 destroyed all previous continuity except for Batman's and Green Lantern's? And Convergence basically brings everything back? Honestly, the New 52 stuff is when things get really confusing for me.
And I just thought of this, but doesn't the Convergence basically make all of the previous Crisis events unnecessary? And how does DC Rebirth fit into all of this?
What a mess. It still cracks me up that they let green lantern and batman's continuities continue especially since in that window there are crossovers with other DC characters that were 100% rebooted.
Nice touch with the Mortal Kombat movie ending song.
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So golden age was "retconing" being earth 2 all this time
Silver age become the real earth 1
then they make *Crisis on infinite earths* because money and destroy the multiverse, now making different versions of the same heroes
this make everything a mess for the fans so they rebooting with *zero hour* erasing the bad stuff
these new world didn't like so they made a soft-reboot with *Infinite crisis* erasing just little details and adding heroes, with this DC brought old characters and new ones recreating the multiverse
BUT
They made an event *final crisis* because money, so the heroes now can travel through earths
EVERYTHING ITS OKEY BUT
*Flashpoint* sigh
Flash changes and fix the timeline rebooting all creating "new 52"
new 52 didn't like so they made *convergence* bringing all thing back
and now they make another soft-reboot *Rebirth* (like infinite crisis) erasing fails and adding new stuff
All these reboots really annoy me, especially Flashpoint and Convergence. I kinda feel like they should've at least given the Final Crisis multiverse a chance, instead of almost instantly diving into Flashpoint. I'm just hoping that this next reboot doesn't mess things up more. Whilst Convergence was weak, the end goal and ideal to have every continuity co-exist may sound like a mess, but at least each person could go back and follow the stories of the continuities they liked, whilst not worrying about the ones they didn't. But, I get the feeling the next reboot will just be another New 52, if you know what I mean.
Could you possibly do a video on why convergence was important, ( if at all) because I thought that it was going to be a turn around for DC and it would slowly become good again. My problem with it is that while the first 2 issues felt to me like the story was going to be great then after 3 or 4 it became pointless and confusing. I felt cheated out of money and time. Please help.
that's how I felt when I was over
nothing really changed... but a according to this video it brought back pre-flashpoint characters such as Lois and Clark
+Darkshade993 Convergence brought back characters from previous continuities and allowed them to become the stars of their own comics.
Superman: Lois and Clark are from the Post-Crisis Universe but are now living on the New 52 universe.
People keep complaining about the bad DCU movies but what they don't realize is that DC source materials are messed up! Rob now i see why you never finished the history of DC universe video. But would it be possible for you to do a DC power hierarchy video?
I don't know if you skipped because of time constraints, but what of DC's brief flirtation of "Hypertime?" From what I recall, it was basically a multiverse of sorts, but with "alternate timelines." Except that it had the main DC timeline, with other timelines branching out from it and occasionally intersecting with each other. Nothing really came out of it though except a couple story arcs from Superboy (Kon-el/Connor Kent's first series) and Flash.
Personally, I found the distinction between parallel universes and alternate timelines to be a false one.
Good video Rob, i really needed it because it's so confusing. But could you do a video on Hydra please? I've been chasing you in every video telling you
So Flash caused the first reboot, and the most recent reboot.
Barry should retire lol.
I love your info videos. top notch work.
You did good job explaining the subject in the time allotted. But DC still had a few very soft reboots leading up to infinite Crisis and before Final Crisis. With a Rebirth here and a Secret Origins there tweaking some of the rebooted continuity. Not to mention trying to bring the Kingdom Come universe into DC continuity and Hypertime. Still a good peak at the major reboots. You can entire episodes of the three Crises and pick apart and analyze the insanity of Final Crisis and Convergence. Love to see more in the future. Thanks.
Excellent job explaining it all man
This was a pretty solid wide-angle look at what I think has been the biggest issue for DC. I will say though, Final Crisis is the series that made me stop reading comics altogether. Final Crisis was so hard to follow, read very poorly based on how everything was broken up, and had the absolutely most convenient plot devices I have ever seen.
Bullets that fire backwards through time, Miracle Machines that grant wishes, music defeats Darkseid, Batman using a gun (something the character has always been against, but F that). It was a story that made me question why people consider Grant Morrison a good writer.
Props for being able to parse through everything. Though there will likely be another event in a year that'll reset a lot of this content as well :(
new 52 gave a structure to the multiverse, in order for writers to explore creative concepts, while sticking to continuity.
convergence made everything in the DC Universe canon and valid.
Wait a minute...so now thanks to Brainiac, EVERYTHING is back?! Basically, don't worry about following all of this because, the Golden, Silver, and Bronze Ages, New Earth, and Earth Prime now all exist *AGAIN* or am I missing something?????
I think only Franklin Richards could keep track of all of the changes, reboots, and characters.
Convergence is still really weird to me if you could make a video around that reboot it'd be awesome.
Final crisis has got to be the most confusing, absolutely convoluted and most unbelievably non sense comic storyline I've ever read.
People seem to forget that these "so many reboots" took place over 80 years of comic history. That's not that many. Christ. This isn't like rebooting Hulk movies 2.5 times in the course of 10 years.
80 years is a really long time..
Thank God Green Lantern didn't get the same reboot treatment after Rebirth.
So WTF was the canon story time line then ?
GREAT GREAT GREAT video. Except for Convergence, I picked up new things I couldn't get before.
Convergence poorly written? It has a clear through-line, ongoing simple expositions, and the acknowledgment that the multiverse evolves. Easy, Rob!
I think i would have preferred the GL video, if only because it would have been easier to follow, I mean, Good Lord, DC needs to work on clearing some of that mess up. Still, very well explained, thank you.
I just can't wrap my head around this... Why? I get that in the beginning dc didn't realise how all the new heroes they were creating would spin out of control. It was the beginning of a new industry and they had no idea that if they want to mentain a continuity then contradictions would happen. So one reboot to explain the existence of the multiverse was enough. But then... Well, I do feel the need of periodical reboots, but maybe with less convoluted storylines and not to retcon a hundred things and characters, just to whipe the slate clean for new readers. I think 20 years between each reboot would be great. It would give readers time to age with one iteration the characters and it would allow characters themselves to develop enough. This is comics after all, so besides the main chronology, during the 20 years span you could have stories like the war of jokes and riddles (a "previously untold story" in the mythos of a character) and stories like the dark knight returns, exploring a possible end of that character, even if in the main continuity the character never gets to live through that until the universe is rebooted.
But as things are right now... I fell in love with miller-era batman and I feel like that's one of the most compelling Batman chronologies (being very long, like the batman from the 40s through the 70s, is also a problem). But then in the past decade we had both the new 52 and rebirth. Amd while some of the other reboots didn't erase Batman's (and most of anyone else's) history, it did sth that for me is far worse: retconning. I wish Marvel and dc would grow more into a james bond direction where all movies are in one continuity and with no retcons, up until a point: namely the Daniel Craig series, which is a reboot. But not a retcon.
great vid. its informative and easy to understand!
I just learnt so much new stuff I forgot my childhood.
BIG correction: The character that you keep referring to as the Earth 3 Lex Luthor is incorrect. The Earth 3 Lex Luthor was the father to this character, ALEXANDER Luthor. As with the the rest of the Earth 3 universe Lex Luthor and his wife, Lois Lane died (or disappeared) along with that universe's entire existence. Before the destruction of Earth 3, Lex Luthor put his infant son (Alexander) into a space ship and sent him (eventually) to the realm of The Monitor. This story is intentionally a reproduction of the Superman origin.
there is one alternate time line in comics that makes sense - watchmen.
Interesting video, interesting channel, I've subscribed.
This is why rather read the Wiki or watch your vids since the TimeLine for me is like wrestling with a puma.
I really do thank you for explaining the WHOLE DC Continuity, quite the remarkable thing given that sometimes not even the most hardcore or they`re own writers can`t do it as well .... having said that ... even if DC has great heroes (batman of course, but not limited to him), I prefer MARVEL because even when dealing with multiverse situation the stories are much more cohesive, proof is that .... They`ve only needed 1 REBOOT
+Jaime Andres Gomez Bastos Gomez Bastos .... PS: please continue the Injustice series, OR explain Watchmen ... Thanks in advance :)
well it was not exactly a reboot it was retcon
I need to go back to 1950, so I can be confused again, but less
Let’s go back to 1861 lol 😆 and meet Abe Lincoln
Awesome video man, like always, but my head hurts lol
You should really do a history of Brainiac video. That would be amazing.
Summary: Why invest in DC comics, when you can read Gunslinger Girl, that doesn't constantly reboot its universe, and doesn't tire of masked man tropes.
It seems like ever since 1939 (the year i think you said) DC been rebooting. I know i might get some shit for this, but sometimes i look towards the animated series for some continuity....SOMETIMES not all the time. Rob nice video as always keep it up.
It was Alexander, not Lex, who was the main villain in Infinite Crisis.
I'm still so confused
DC should make an event or storyline that explains NEW52 Hal Jordan and his connection to the previous universe. Seriously if his entire history is still canon within his book then he's a walking time paradox in the NEW52. Maybe instead of the universe being rebooted it was only earth itself that was restarted. it would explain why heroes and villains like hal, kyle, sinestro, etc can mention stuff like Emerald Twilight and the Blackest Night but when they go to Earth their minds shift over to a new continuity where none of that happened without ever realizing it. I dunno give us something DC LoL
How the fuck were you able to get your head around all this?! Nicely done!!
What really amazes me, is that once COIE hit, every few years DC went into a reboot. We've had quite a lot of soft and hard reboots and even relaunches in approx 30 years while we let about 40 years of continuity stand previously. I understand that it's a money making business and new 52 isn't so hot right now but DC should have said "screw it we're in this for the long haul" and go hard. I love pre 52 as much as any one but the minute they wiped the history before they should have accepted it and moved on accordingly, and the new readers would come. No more tie ins or major crossovers or alternate universes, just 10 years straight of story and development and letting us love this new characters, but no we're back to another reboot.
+Bardockendo how does Rebirth fit I tot he continuity? And why are they restarting with all new #1s?
Rebirth is just a relaunch with various elements of the Flashpoint event being retconned.
It's not a reboot. Everything that happened in N52 still happened. They are just taking characters and elements from pre52 that people loved and missed, then putting it back. Taking the storytelling back to it's roots but going forward with the newer stuff that n52 introduced.
It almost seems like everthing in DC Universe .Has it going back to Crisis on Infinite Earths .And that was back in 1985..So the one moment in DC Universe has a ripple effect all the way to current events in the DC Universe .
I thought that was very well explained. great work sir.