Ex-Professor Exposes Why Universities Can't Be Saved | Peter Boghossian
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- Dave Rubin of “The Rubin Report” talks to Peter Boghossian about the state of academia; his concerns about the corruption of institutions, particularly in higher education; the spread of harmful ideologies; why the idea of a national divorce is a bad idea; why people should stop donating to their alma maters; why attending school board meetings will be more likely to bring about change; and whether people can learn to value freedom and understand why it's important.
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Universities used to teach students how to think, not what to think.
False, universities always been used to indoctrinate the future tax payers. This system has been borrowed to Prussia. Look it up.
They teach what they need to teach to make students act as the need them to act. When you are part of this system you don’t notice it but from outsiders it’s obvious.
Parents need to do that. Employers need to value and reward that. Churches need to incorporate that.
Wonder why they don't... oh, right, because peons/ children/ parishioners challenging your authority could mean you lose it.
It's better for the establishments to have dumb sheeple to lead, not critical thinkers who can help find a better way forward that hurts your feelings.
@@Undomaranel Exactly!
In fact critical thinking and faith/obedience are not even close to be related.
Universities now teach students to view everything through the simplistic lens of oppression. Whilst oppression does exist, it is only by an enormous expansion of terms that the arguments of the extreme left work. Hence students are taught the magic of expanding definitions, which makes arguments less precise. An entire generation has been brainwashed by the politics of oppression and stupified by the nonsensical methods of argument required to make sense of it.
Critical thinking skills has been completely lost.
Unfortunately University students graduate dumber than when they started, ideologically captured, unable to think critically, entitled and with a mountain of debt. Peter is absolutely spot on. Excellent conversation ❤
‘Ideologically captured’ is an incredibly accurate term.
The wahmn and bwacks definitely do... idk about everyone.
Almost as if subhumans and babymakers shouldnt be allowed in the workforce because they only destroy it
@@notallowedtobehonest2539uhhh I guess you’ve never seen all the men protesting anything and everything everyone else is?
@@DiodeMom ive never seen a mahn protest. Only kukcs and gheys
As a professor, I completely agree! This is all why I am trying to find a new career. It is awful and I feel lost.
I'm a teacher and once you see the system is busted it's hard to be motivated. For example we just saw a pandemic and ai and we don't react at all Hahaha.
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I retired from teaching high school early because of the increased swing towards progressive views and government mandates on curriculum. The “safe spaces” approach to learning does not equip students for the real world that does not protect you from criticism or give you affirmations for making a decision about the gender you’ve selected for the month. The West will have to create new institutions for learning devoid of DEI departments and provide free speech for both sides of an issue.
It's absolutely painful how we refuse to adapt and I can't buy in when I know we aren't preparing our children. I may just consider only fans Hahaha.
Small scale community farming. It's the future
We don't need a national divorce, we need Federalism. We need the Federal Government to be contained by the boundaries that were written into the Constitution.
That would be preferable. They will not allow it.
Trump wants to abolish the constitution crazy right
The FBI now tells Congress what to do, ignores laws, does as they please, threatens law abiding citizens where is the protest
Amen.
So, you use a solid argument for the dissolution of the federal union to argue for a system that died between 1865 and 1920? That is not going to happen.
Defund "Higher Education" now.
and be a 3rd world country in 10 years or less.
@@jasminedtuckerwe still have a long way to fall before we become a pre-industrial nation, akin to the fall of Rome
@@victotronics”Defund” doesn’t mean close down, it just means the universities will have to start paying their own way again. It means they’ll have to cut all the useless bureaucratic fat they’ve piled on since the federal government started subsidizing Big Ed - literally all the increase in tuition costs since the 1970’s is attributable to this larding on of worse-than-useless administrators, while spending on faculty has either remained flat or declined. It means that the assistant dean of DEI is gonna get fired, as well they should be. It means that dorms will have to go back to being dorms, not luxury apartments and resort hotels. And it means that useless degree programs - Marxist “sociology,” gender studies, (insert aggrieved minority here) studies, and the like - that don’t produce graduates with employable skills will get the axe, as well they should.
Overall, getting the federal government out of education entirely is a good and necessary step toward getting the country back on track. Hell, the Department of Education has only been around since 1979, and education quality has certainly not improved since then - quite the opposite.
@@JohnnyAmerique Probably unrealistic to think that financial pressure will reform universities. Reform is way harder than anyone thinks, because there isn't really anyone with the authority to call the shots as to which specific reforms should occur, so it is more likely to mutate in bizzare and pathological ways.
The more middle class state universities will just shut down in total confusion, with administrators and presidents completely ignorant as to why they were abandonded by their state and federal supporters, or they will combat any defuning efforts by becoming even more effective at patitioning for funds from governments and parents alike, and become even more pathological and politically focused.
Elite universities never needed external funding in the first place, and will be 100% unaffected.
Calm down. He’s talking about a few schools. Most schools are private and earn their money.
Time was when in my growing up years in India, we looked with such awe at the Ivy League universities as well as several other universities in the US. I was in grade 7 or 8 in Bangalore when a graduating grade 12 guy apparently achieved the highest SAT score possible and Havard, MIT and all the rest rolled out the red carpet for him. From enlightened centres of knowledge and excellence back then, to the Marxist, progressive, woke indoctrination madrassas that they've become today, is a huge tragedy. My my heart breaks for America.
"Progressive" is just a cover term for marxist today.
These liberal thinkers crying about how everything is going off the rails is hilarious.
I welcome you into the awake America where there is not fear of a "reeducation camp" or a ministry of disinformation.
Welcome to freedom.
Tragic indeed
America's heart is breaking as well
This nation was built and will be maintained by blue-collar men, forget your geniuses, we will be just fine here, a hint, stay in India, or whatever you folks choose to rename your sub-continent.
Peter Boghossian how I deeply appreciate the painstaking work you and James Lindsay have done to expose the corrosion of our higher ed institutions.
Prof. B is bang on about the harmful effects of seeing disagreement on an issue as moral failure. "My opponent is EVIL!"
Yup, and I have two sibling professors, lk to think they were never a part of this crap.
I absolutely love this man, he should be protected and listened to. Talk about walking the walk - he left his job in protest of the leftie agenda at Portland U. I wish I was half as articulate and intelligent as Peter.
@@Diametricallyopposed00I agree, but he’s arguing that a national divorce is not good- for people NOT to leave the state just bc they don’t like the way it’s run, yet he left the university.
I mean with his opinions it’s likely he would have been terminated at some point anyway I guess, but we can’t have it both ways. Stay and fight, or divorce? It’s a macrocosm of married life.
@@Mrbfgray Frankenstein's monsters is afoot
AGREE My son started at a gun loving conservation campus - then transferred to Pitt Main campus and QUIT - the staff fostered the communist clubs + ignored him - the teachers were INSANE - He finished his degree on line w his hometown community college. I warned him before he transferred. It was an eye opening experience Kinda glad he saw it. Mom.
Pittsburgh?
TRUE serious question What exactly is a "gun loving campus" ? PLEASE explain, I am a grandmother of 4. Thank you for your time.
@@theonlymeaning Guessing it's in a state with open carry laws that most people are cool with.
Dropped my daughter off at MSU as a normal young woman looking for an educational adventure. Got back a SJW with a useless degree. I warned her to beware indoctrination. Didn't work. Needless to say I am not helping her pay off her student loans. She can ask her professors for financial help.
@@TheDumbpublic Good for you. More parents should be as strong as you.
It took him until 2015 to identify the problem? Man, it was obvious even in the 80s to me. I remember one professor at Penn telling me that ALL of the problems in Africa were due to colonialism. I said to him - "Everything?" I agreed that colonialism caused some problems but this professor seemed to be saying that the people living in Africa had 0 responsibility for the killings, rapes etc.
For us in Europe, roman colonialism was good (well we kept the good parts and never frlt bad for being former roman collonies), why can’t Africa be the same? We benefited from advancement of the Roman empire (law system, architecture rtc), they too, if they are honest. Problem is not collonialism, is tgeir mentality, that is why they were in huts, enslaving each other when europeans came.
colonialism helped, not hurt. You can see african countries who are way behind........vs countries more modern.
That's called "White Supremacy" when you say Europeans had that much power.
Totally agree, although my professor admitted Africa hasn't gone through the same process the west has and has the advantage of learning from our mistakes. At least that honesty made it obvious that in a hundred years, Africa may be only 50 years behind instead of a 100 behind in a few decades
and poachings
I am from the blue collar world and I work at a California State University. Many people are very nice but just simply misguided. They have been on the hamster wheel their whole lives and they have never left the farm. Most mean well but they just simply have lost the plot. They are super soft handed and don’t have much life experience. A boy needs to be forged through fire to become a man. University simply does not offer that and it never will.
Yeah I find the average social justice warrior just wants to explain away poor outcomes for some minorities. You end up with the most absurd statements thought. In Australia, it's almost a game to see how you can connect some disappointing situation to the West and colonialism. The most extreme I've heard so far is that 'the sense of time and timeliness' is racist colonialism and it's power + prejudice to expect a member of the native culture to show up on time. They seemed to believe that time was a European colonial concept. I think Asia and the middle East would have loved to hear that.
I'm a Black American woman....the forced Minority Politics class I had to take was the most uncomfortable and messed up experience I've ever had. The text book was all about troupes and extreme stereotypes. I would get anxious while walking there. My major was in business.
It is a horrifying thought to think that these university students are the next leaders. Heaven help us.
Only if you follow them…
Absolutely terrifying.
They don't have to be. Elect leaders from blue collar backgrounds. Those that you have worked beside. There are leader among them.
It takes money to get elected nationally.
Definitely a try at the local level, though.
Young people today have to much time on their hands and no common sense…I left school at 15 , was working two weeks later ,and worked till I was 75….brought up two children ,had two jobs ,bought my own house . When I see some young people today ,I can’t believe the way they act ,and scream and shout…. THEY NEED TO GET OUT.GET A JOB.AND LOOSE THE HATE THEY HAVE AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE……AND A HUSBAND WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA BEFORE THEY HAVE CHILDREN ………
Comedians used to go to college campuses, now they won’t touch them with a 10 foot pole because it’s not worth the trouble. The college free speech ecosystem is dead. Colleges went from “Learning to getting over being offended” to “Learning how to go after those who offend you”
I was at a party last year and heard Chris Rock complaining to Judd Aptow about how WOKE is a religion. I told him that DeSantis was trying to turn my old school, New College, into a not woke school. His immediate reply: "Never gonna happen!" Sigh.... There has to be some place for people with brains to go...
As a Cornell alum, I have not and will never donate to the school.
STOP Government funding unqualified people's college education. STOP Government funding non-core education programs. Let it fail if a University can't support itself through Non-Government funded students. I could go on but you get the drift...
Colleges cheer when they sign a star athlete and thereby keep the athlete away from a rival. The same should happen in terms of academics. Put another way, the college administrator should be on pins and needles when he opens a letter from a prospective student rather than the prospective student being on pins and needles when the envelope from the college admission's office arrives in his mailbox. Because Uncle Sam pays the bill the college doesn't need to serve the student as well as it otherwise would have.
@@pandaloon6083 My experience was that the administration really didn't care about the academic success of the students. Just pass them through so the college could keep the funding...Most students in athletic programs couldn't pass basic Mathematics courses without a lot of help. It was the same story with basic English courses. They had so many deficiencies I couldn't understand how they graduated HS. Their reading, writing, and Arithmetic were at a "low" HS level.
Unless you are getting a medical, science, or engineering degree money spent on university is a total waste.
As a Mechanical Engineer, I can tell you that engineers get paid crap.
The sciences once thought they were immune but from what i hear the DEI nonsense has infected there as well.
We need people to still go into law school and medicine as well as engineering amd the hard sciences because once there are no conservative lawyers, there are no conservative judges. It is all scary as hell
Law?! The corrupt law system needs to be completely destroyed and we need to go back to common law. Medicine?! The toxic allopathic system needs to be completely destroyed and replaced with natural health. I'll agree with engineering, we need people able to build and repair what we have.
Thankfully, many people wise up as they get older. Thomas Sowell and Dave Rubin are two prime examples.
I became an aerospace engineer sans degree. Study. I used to go to the library. It is now all online.
@@msimon6808 Smart is you.
@@msimon6808. That’s great! Unfortunately many places, unless you start your own company, require credentials, especially in engineering, medicine and law.
I graduated in 2017. Things were so bad that I came out more conservative because I was able to see that my professors were insane.
Coincidentally enough, that is pretty much my experience too. I saw professors trying too hard to politicize the teaching, and I saw my classmates were way too eager to eat what was being fed to them. Whereas I was 20 years old, had just read Kant and Marx and knew I was stupid, my classmates were 20, had just read Kant and Marx, and now were convinced they knew how the world works and how it ought to work. My ignorance led to humility. My classmates -- their ignorance led to being "useful idiots."
One of my craziest professors made national news for stealing Trump signs out of people's yards. I knew she was a nut when I was in her classes.
@@WackyIraqi777Begs the question: does the academy attract nuts, or does it transform people into nuts?
@@pandaloon6083Neither. They are HUNTING for nuts and if you show any sign of resistance or common sense they will ostracize and demonize you! They have an agenda and will brook no argument to the contrary.
My grandfather said it 30 years ago. College is great for specialties. Its a waste of time and money if you’re just going to get a regular job and work your way up. I run 2 businesses and my wife has 3. Not a degree in the house. We worked, saved, and used our money to start them. Efffff college
It's not an either/or proposition. Both college education and entrepreneurism have vital places in our society. Entrepreneurism can and does, at times, arise out of an effective education. But higher education is not, by any means, the only path to entrepreneurism, as illustrated by your example. On the other hand, being a doctor, a lawyer, or an engineer only arise out of higher education. We need our colleges and universities fixed if we are to survive as a society. Otherwise, our only remaining hope is that we will rebuild as a better society following total collapse. I don't think any sane, reasonable person wants to see that play out.
Aerospace Engineer sans Degree. I studied books.
@@msimon6808 Unfortunately, so many businesses require a college degree, even when it's unnecessary for the position.
@@danawynkoop9511that’s part of what’s wrong with our current system. Both my parents basically went to night school learned bookkeeping and worked their way up at a company. Can’t do that today. My mother had to go to college at the same time I did so she could get a degree because her “experience” of 30 plus years wasn’t good enough anymore.
sure. engineering schools don't work. you studied "books". right@@msimon6808
I was born and raised in Oregon, lived on the East side of Portland for 50 years. In the 90's I started to see the disintegration of a beautiful city and started to tell every one of my friends and acquaintances what I was seeing as the downfall of Portland. Then, in 2016 it jumped off the cliff. We moved to Arizona in 2019, I'm beginning to see the same issues in Phoenix and it's metro area as I saw in Portland of the 90's. I believe it will degrade much faster here though, since it is so late in the takeover game. God save our country.
I moved to Portland in the early 90s. I thought it was great until 2010 when Portlandia debuted and the California immigrants were coming in droves. Was it Bud Clark leaving his post as mayor that did it for you?
So it is systems, not individuals, huh? 😅
What a giant loss that Peter left academia.
Sad state that we’ve ruined so many of our institutions, but especially academia.
Just look at the uninformed youth screaming about things they know little about. Dangerous.
Agreed. It’s sad he left. Hopefully he can reach more young minds through this medium. He’s still teaching, just not in a classroom. God bless Peter ❤
I disagree. Academia is irretrievably broken. There is no way that Peter could make a difference from inside academia. He would be futilely burning calories fighting the local small minds to no global effect.
When they will not let you in their club, you need to make your own.
We need people willing to start new universities that reject the ideological capture the legacy schools have bent the knee to.
If we cannot secure more reputable avenues for education of those who seek higher learning free of indoctrination, all is lost.
@@The1Waiter-gk4sz man, I feel for you. I got a bachelors and stopped there. I paid it off in my mid 30s and now wonder what I could’ve invested that money in. It makes me nauseous. I hope people are waking up to the higher education scam. I hope you can turn your experience into something that enriches your life and doesn’t feel like a ‘ya got screwed’ moment forever. It’s really jarring when you realize the foundation you’ve built things on, what people told you would be the keystone of success, is really a hollow scam of sorts.
I think he reached the same conclusion that Peter Thiel did. Lies and betrayal from the top to the bottom, reform from the inside was impossible. It has to be driven out by external enterprises.
Philosophy Professor, Allan Bloom, in his book “The Closing of the American Mind,” exposed the Universities for the stifling of open thought in 1987. He was lampooned for his ideas and dismissed as fear-mongering back then. Sad we didn't take him more seriously.
Real prophets are almost never taken seriously.
I went to college from 1969 to the 1970s. Indoctrination was going on then. I was studying to be an engineer, but had to take a certain amount of classes that had nothing to do with my field. I took biology classes, Philosophy 101 The Art of Critical Thinking and a bogus class in psychology where for a whole damned semester I was preached at on the teacher's opinion about everything. Hardly any of it was correct, but many kids ate it up. I was a Vietnam veteran and knew damn well Mankind is not basically good. edit; I argued with him and got a D despite acing my final exams.
No one even argues any more
You got cheated on your grade. I went to college at the same time as you, but I was not exposed to these professors because I went to computer colleges. Colleges on campuses are a world in themselves, and professors do help create the political environment. Espressing your opinions in class is not teaching.
Edit to my post: I went to commuter colleges.
You have to remember most people in academia,especially in administrative positions,have finally achieved a level of independence and respect life had not previously allowed.There are great opportunities to be authoritarian and dogmatic with no fear of reprimand or reproach.This level of independence allows mostly ordinary common minds to use this new found power to artificially reinforce an inferior person’s ego.Sadly these mostly ordinary individuals begin to see themselves as unique and even pertinent which only adds to this false sense of superiority.Consequently,people who are in no way unique or wise feel the need to manipulate their inferior minions,dependent students,into suffering through their personal perspectives on every topic imaginable.This works out great since their interactions with dependent,docile inferiors,students,can’t afford to challenge the professors statements regardless of their irrelevance or absurdity.
That was an extended diatribe that basically says”yeah,they’re insufferable assholes.
A friend of mine attended classes on Ancient history right at the time of Trump coming into the White house. She said the entire class was just one angry man screaming and bitching about Donald Trump-- didn't even attempt to mention the subject of the class! Can you imagine they get PAID to do this??
I remember all the kids at San Jose State having to scramble to get classes meanwhile I went to a trade school, learned valuable industry skills and cut all the extra high school 2.0 bullsh*t out. I’m honestly glad for my education & I have been thinking for some time now, these colleges are total garbage. We need people with real skills not some BS degree. That’s short for BullSh*t.
You learned how to be a slave in whats marketed as a trade school?
Peter Bghossian, James Lindsay, and Helen Pluckrose are my personal heroes because they proved what we knew was happening. Watching the histerical reaction from "academic professionals" as they attempted to justify those proofing studies for journals and demonize these academics was like watching someone twist themselves inside out.
Where can we watch this?
@@katel1316 youtube
It was reading Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose that lifted the scales from my eyes, and all the crazy things that have been happening in the West started to make sense.
@@lewislee9201 Haha. That book turned me into an old bitter person. And I only make it half way through. I feel great sympathy for Lindsay and Pluckrose
I wish you were right. Now students are complaining that science is unfair and want everything dumbed down.
And two and two equal five ! Even challenging maths, on a socialist justification context.
@@linmal2242 That's what I'm talking bout.
Dumbed down STEM degrees would not be worth the paper they are written on.
College used to be a "hot house" where students were forced to intellectually early, as Percy Marks wrote in 1923 Scribner's Magazine article, '"Under Glass". These days the students are weakened and wilt in the cold common world. It was said, that people went to college to learn how to live, not how to make a living. But what life does college prepare the non-PECS students to live.
If you do not have freedom of speech on a campus, then that school is not a place where the student can learn to examine arguments or become educated.
When a student graduates dumber after 4 years of college....duh. 😂
I left my associate position at the California university I taught at. The pandemic shone a light on the utter ignorance of the current state of higher education. I thought there was more individual/department issues before but I now believe it's systemic.
I still teach at a community college but dang the pandemic and social media had rotted the minds of the young. It's harsh and I may not last much longer there either. It was a great job. It still can be. I just feel like I'd really have to give up academic, social, moral standards to keep doing this if it doesn't get better.
Can you privately tutor ?
I think it started long before the pandemic. Herbert Marcuse was pushing this contagion c.1968 and Yuri Bezmenov explained the process in 1984.
I can't imagine how difficult that was for you, and I'm sure these mere words will ring rather hollow (but, alas, mere words are all I have), but I admire you for standing on the strength of your convictions.
Warm Regards and Best Wishes,
@Kenngo1969
The pandemic crystalized the problems, for sure. A series of boots to the tongue left most of my family and friends as bootlickers, too scared and addled to question what The Majority claims. The only exceptions I know are those who retired years before, and one teacher who’s too stoic to care that his profession is burning around him.
Thank you Dave for this interview, such respect for this man.
Like you said, society has lost ability to discuss issues without coming to personal attacks, destroying others personal property, etc
Give it to Hillsdale College.
Dave, your program is always worth the listen. Thanks!
Dave Rubin has become absolutely outstanding.
Yes, Dave Rubin, I also think he is one of the best people. Do you have any good suggestions for their conversations?
Apart from free speech
Clayton Christensen foresaw the demise of universities 10 years ago as a function of disruption. At the time it sounded crazy! It's all unfolded exactly as he predicted.
So pleased to hear Peter paraphrase Trump about making America, great, and quoting Reagan about losing liberty. I’m not under the illusion that he is a Republican at all, but he understands the profound implications of a collapsing west.
America would be better off if both sides, so to speak, acknowledge a good point whenever it's made by whomever makes it. We hardly do that. It's not about truth and problem-solving. And we need more individuals like Peter who criticize their own from within, although maybe Dennis Prager is correct that courage is one of the rarest of traits. Does it have to be?
One of the worst things to come out of Trump era politics was how people turned the idea of "making America great again" into meaning "make America an all white patriarchy where everyone else suffers." Maybe if the slogan came from Obama it wouldn't have happened that way, after all that was supposed to be one of his finer qualities, that he was an articulate, diplomatic statesmen type who brought back global respect for America after the Bush administration wasted so much pro-America sentiment around the world after 9/11.
At any rate, I always interpreted the message as merely calling out our dying nation. There was never much of a plan beyond the message but the idea of it is based on actual data that shows we are declining in nearly every measurable metric and that we must acknowledge and address it. The people who don't want to hear that message measure success differently, they think our nation and its Western principles are doing better than ever because we have more black women in government or more trans schoolteachers than any other time in history. They don't care about where we rank in things like education and manufacturing, or if these anything-but-straight-white-males people they're so proud of putting in charge of things are doing a terrible job. They're concerned with more important matters like making sure classroom calendars say "Indigenous People's Day" and not "Columbus Day." Nevermind that the average 8th grader can't even spell any of those words I put in quotations.
Ask yourself, qui bono?
what country/ideology donates most to universities?
@@sdrc92126 China
Life is too short to live where you are not happy!!!
He lost the weight by cutting out dairy, but is life really worth living without cheese?
No, life is “cheese”, and “wine”, they go great together…..
@@mcihs2Don't forget smoked fish. It is usually smoked fish and cheese for breakfast and snacks. Delicious!❤
Was it weight or bloating?
I graduated with a B.S. in Mathematics and Computer Science at UCLA. Never had a professor, TA, lecturer, etc. mention politics. Same for courses in astrophysics (took these for fun.)
But cost to attend was the same as for those who had professors?
@@briaf3370???
I'm glad you had a good experience. I went to Virginia Tech, and even back then the ideological push was strong, I even dropped a class because the professor used it as a platform to rant about Republicans. It's gotten far, far worse since then. There is literally nothing on earth that could induce me to voluntarily donate to Virginia Tech.
This was a GREAT interview! Deeply interesting topics. This gentleman hit me at my own heart and my own worries, yet also had answers that are reasonable and achievable if we work toward it. Thank you for this discussion!
The best part about this, in my opinion, is the end. When Peter says that he is not educated on the israel-palestine situation, therefore he is in favor of a two-state solution. That is perfect. That is exactly what everyone who is not educated on the situation says.
the only solution is the pally are merged into the arab world , and leave Israel alone. Plenty of space for them
If you could explain that, I would be interested why they go there.
@@pfrstreetgang7511 The Israelis are (or were) open to a two-state solution, (offered 5 times) but the Palestinians (Hamas) and other terrorist groups want all of Israel (Frome the River to the Sea) to kill all the Jews and destroy Western democracy, so when two groups want an opposite outcome, a two-state solution is impossible.
Love Peter Boghossian and Dave Rubin. Thanks for great conversation.
Last week I attended my daughter's Graduation Ceremony here in UK. Out of 600 Graduates, I don't think that more than 100 had British names. In-fact. I'd say that 450 were African or Muslim or Indian girls. Perhaps 30 were White british young men - 1 in 20. British Universities seem now to specialise in educating the 20 years olds of our competitors ! They have zero interest in attracting White WorkingClass Boys - none at all. Their SLTs earn huge sums of money but do not care one jot about the effect on society ! We need LESS Universities - they are little more than woke factories.
I have always believed that our first civil war happened in part because for 20 years before it officially started we as a people stopped talking to each other and started believing lies and crazy stories about the other side, till finally war was easy , no big deal. We need to be willing to talk.
Yea but how would you talk to a sister who constantly chants racist remarks about white people like "white skin privilege" etc.?
Some believe in the Hamas Charter. After that - what do you talk about?
It’s disheartening to listen to this conversation. I am in college for the first time as an adult who had a serious health issue that played out for over a decade. So I already had a lot of work experience and with that, working through bad health issues. School was a new beginning. It’s been more traumatizing to understand that most of my teachers don’t know life with this medical PTSD. I hope to graduate through community college without feeling like I gave up on University.
Around 16:00 mark....I'm a born and bred new Yorker, black woman, proud American. I had to flee NYC because of the policies (I didn't vote for, I voted for Zeldin, Sliwa and Trump, twice). I faced growing hostility from people and blatant, aggressive racism from the woke liberals because I think for myself. I was assaulted, spit on, pepper sprayed and verbally attacked for standing up for my and everyones freedom. I listen to people and am accepting of others if I don't agree. I love conversation and debate and hearing someone else perspective. Unfortunately the left is not welcoming or tolerant. They are unhinged and violent and their policies have made NYC very dangerous. Criminals run the show. There is no getting along with the other side because they are hostile and dangerous and don't want peace, they want anyone who doesn't think like them dead...period. They say it to your face. I just want to live my life in the country I grew up in and be left alone to make the choices best suited for myself. I will not continue to live someplace or engage with others that hate me. More power to those that can, but I'm out of compassion and fucks to give for the other side.
Where did you move to escape NYC?
I hope somebody hurries up and fixes this. My oldest is in grade 9 and I’m already freaking out about the indoctrination going on in Universities!
Do NOT send them to some prestigious university. Send them to a small college, something local in a less blue area. You have control over this. The opportunity may not last long, but at least they have a chance to get a decent education minus lots of the indoctrination. At the moment.
You would be shocked at the Catholic high schools in Canada. Literally indoctrination centers for woke lunatics. The number of teens I have seen destroyed by these crazies is astounding. The confusion and mental illness they are causing is astounding. I thought it would be worse in the public schools but was shocked at the insanity in "Catholic" schools as well.
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You can protect them from the indoctrination if you’re aware of whats going on - and it sounds like you are. 🙌🏻
The only good thing about unis are the sex adventures.
Even if you ignore indoctrination, unis do not make their life outcomes better. You can check top unis in the US and most of them keep alumni tracking statistics. You can see how much money their graduates earn. You can compare those numbers to the salary of the general population. Factor in that a degree takes 3-6+ years to complete, a huge tuition and other related costs. And you will get that it would have been much better for your kid to do something else.
Science technology engineering and math are still vital courses that should be seriously handled within the university system because it takes substantial brain power to understand these subjects and to pass the material. It's the art music and philosophy majors that are causing most of the woke problems because you can take their final exams while intoxicated and still pass the course with flying colors. Look at any freshman class at a University at the second semester and you will see the attrition within the majors based on the difficulty of the classes or the party mentality of the individual student. Science technology engineering and math majors all require highly functioning brains. They are fields where real education exists - and matters. Because the moment that engineering students embrace the foolishness that mathematics is racist, people are going to die on the Bridges created to look like rainbows out of inferior materials by inferior intellects.
Home study with books is enough to become an aerospace engineer. I did it.
But who will hire you without that piece of paper?@@msimon6808
Not true.
Science and IT has fallen to the woke garbage as well. I have a decade and a half long career in IT, with a firm thumb on the sciences and math and science education, and I could talk about this crap for days.
There are hiring quotas everywhere. Women in leadership programmes everywhere. I know multiple people who were fired for questioning hiring quotas. Our language is getting rewritten. I worked for 2 tech giants where the internet security words "whitelist / blacklist" and a long list of similar words were banned. In our kitchens we had LGBT magazines with cover stories such as "how to bang your bf's butt so it doesn't hurt him". Our companies donated a ton to BLM. Every day (no exaggeration) there is a company news article, blog post, facebook post, wall poster, programme, mandatory training spreading woke stuff. Every year you need to take a whole day to do a Diversity Inclusion Equity training and exam otherwise you are fired. And so on.
Much of science education is just memorizing and then regurgitating facts.
IT education is crap too. The best IT people are almost all self taught.
Math is racist.
Science is white supremacy.
It’s up to parents to shepherd and protect the minds of their children from academia. We have 3 sons, all with graduate degrees and all conservative because I willed it to happen
The last 2 minutes of that interview was the most important thing he said, in my opinion.
And the gentleman's entire interview was of importance.
At some point, you have to stop with the good intentions and the noble efforts and the extending of good will. We're at that point, imho. It becomes counter-productive and even dangerous in the face of bullying to continue taking the high road. I get that it makes you feel better about yourself and your principles, but it's imperative for existential reasons that we move on from asking why and accept the gritty reality of forcing it to stop.
I've noticed extreme disconnect that a lot of people have when listening to highly educated people and it's directly related to many of us coming out of K-thru 12 with a subpar understanding of the language because public schools have become insufficient in preparing the youth to swim in the pool of reasoned thought.
At this point, I just don’t know what students do in that system for 12 years.
There aren't too many guests who are as good as Peter B. Brilliant!!
As a former school teacher, I taught in a quite influent neighborhood. I loved it because of the traditional values and intact families. I had or have no desire to teach at a Title I school. There are so many problems and I rarely had to deal with such things. Most experienced teachers don't want to be there either. They usually transfer as soon as possible. Maybe is they paid teachers more to work at the schools, it might make a difference. It wouldn't have to me. My school was very nice.
I took a 20k pay cut two years ago to teach where I currently teach. I was in the urban Title 1 system for probably ten years, and I stayed because -- contrary to popular belief -- those schools pay a LOT better than most other schools; the urban districts are flush with cash. But I can actually TEACH now, and it was well worth the pay cut to not have to hear, constantly "disrespect! disrespect! disrespect! disrespectful! rights! my rights! rights! disrespect!" for something as simple as politely asking a student to not twerk her camel toe in front of the class.
Self study for anybody smart was always better, now they try to cancel books and dictate what is on the internet, they don't even want people finding information themselves.
It's becoming even more difficult to find any kind of dependable info online, because everything is HEAVILY skewed to "liberal perspectives", with pretty much anything that doesn't fortifying that, called "misinformation" or "extremism", even when even a basic glance at some information can tell you it isn't even REMOTELY that as determined by a logical person.
No one is "denied healthcare" in the USA. We have actual rights enumerated in the Constitution that the government doesnt pay for: no guns, no money given to give speeches or protest, want to sue someone pay your own lawyer etc.
👍 The idea that a having a right to something includes getting it for free is one of the major language corruptions of the loony left. A right is something that cannot be denied to you, not something gifted to you.
First remove all fed tax dollars given to colleges and universities. Second, remove the tax breaks given to colleges and universities. Let the marketplace work. Start there.
You all just figured this out in 2015. This has been going on since the 1970's. Professors were hired by universities because of the money they could bring into the institutions for research and from doners. Some of those hired could not teach the subject the were assigned to teach or they did not teach the subject honestly and persecuted students for their morals or world view.
It has only accelerated over the years and has resulted in students being brainwashed and becoming more uneducated and stupid. They do not even know we live in a constiutional republic.
One of my son's friends when asked about whose flag is on the moon they said there are many diffent flags on the moon. Freshman are forced to take indoctrination courses on cultural sensitivities.
The hand that rocks the cradle rules the nation and they have been rocking it for a long time. America is in huge trouble! Generations have been brainwashed! Defund the colleges!
We have strayed far away from civility.
"looking for reason to be offended" is so true - I saw real-life examples of that when I went to college in NYC
College isn't fully dead. There is still a a place for hard sciences like medicine and engineering. We just have far too many students being duped into majoring in nonsense subjects that are useless in the job market.
The marketing and admin programs run by profit seeking boomers, financed by silly us taxpayers will go down in history as one of the largest errors in education in the history of mankind
Modern allopathic western trained medicine is a joke! My son switched from MD to DO. He was fed up with the BS coming from big pharma. Most Mds are owned lock stock and barrel by big. Pharma.
Watched a medical student on a podcast say different. British Columbia nurse, after a 19 day professional trial, lost her job for speaking truth. Woke marxist bs is everywhere.
They're invading hard sciences too. I watch a lot of geology lectures and I can't tell you how many lectures begin with some nonsense "land acknowledgment" saying "Oh we just want to thank the Blah Blah Tribe on whose native land we're standing right now" - and I'm like "What does that have to do with a lecture on fractional crystallization of magma?"
@@nothanks3236 When I studied geology, there was none of that BS. My professors actually stuck to teaching the science and left the politics to other departments.
Abolish tenure and reclaim the hiring and admission processes by replacing the people at top and make sure they reform the system. Cap government student loan guaranties so Universities have to reduce tuition and students don't become impoverished and don't need a government bailout.
We have to take back these positions.
We can’t let them win by just walking away. We have no country if we don’t take back critical institutions.
I had the great advantage of growing up in a two-parent home in rural small town America when parenting and the education system focused on building good character and values in children. I attended a large state university and was exposed to liberal and progressive doctrine, but it never took root.
A national divorce is the historical way people have aligned themselves. Expecting different opinions at the dinner party is very trivial. People want company with like-minded friends around them. Life is more simple, less stressful, and more enjoyable. The society is more cohesive.
I saw the start of education corruption in the 1960s and 1970s. Political pressure to pass all students regardless of their level of learning, in public school system. Political movements that at that time were pushing the idea that education would not be of any value to the youth at that time. The growth in Political power of teacher's unions. The Education Industrial Complex started at that time.
The rights we are given are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. There is no mention of healthcare (21:30). Now if individuals want to give of their OWN time, talents and resources to pay for the healthcare of another, then that is fine - no one is stopping you. That is something that individuals can do without requiring the taxpayer to foot the bill. Once you start saying healthcare is a right, you've opened Pandora's box to everything being a right - a car, a house, food, cellphone, insurance premiums, Starbucks lattes, college education, etc. Eventually you'll get to that point of everything becoming a 'right', it's just a matter of time. So just keep it simple: Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It is amazing to me that intellectuals/academics can have this inability to see what the consequences of an action will look like down the road. Or worse, some don't care.
It's so interesting because I went to PSU from 2014-15. I'm probably the only one who graduated with a BS in History. I am a libertarian but I definitely lean right, and I remember how almost all of my classes were filled with just left leaning students. I would often give a thought or opinion, and the other students would be shocked because they've never heard that before.
I still live and work in Portland, and Portland has gone pretty far off the deep-end. So many people just do not understand how their votes and choices have negative consequences. They blame the government that they keep voting for. It's pure insanity and I don't know how to change their minds.
My dad and stepmom live in Hillsboro. Both retired professors (Pacific U. in Forest Grove) and extreme left wingers. They lament the mess that Portland has become, yet CANNOT UNDERSTAND how their "vote blue, no matter who" and severe TDS is a huge part of the problem. My Dad actually told me that during the 2020 riots, Antifa was PROTECTING the city from fascists! They STILL support Measure 110, yet are sick of the "unhoused" and drug trash everywhere. The cognitive dissonance is real.
You all must have had so much intellectual stimulation and fun at that gathering, if your interviews are any indication of the participants as a whole. Thanks.
Dave, excellent podcast, keep bringing this information to us the public, what a breath of fresh air to the corrupt news networks and socialists we have in our governments, thanks.😊
When I was at Indiana University in the early 1970s I can't in any of my classes that any professors forced their ideas on us. This is before online education , when u actually had to show up to class and participate! I wasn't the top of my class but I did learn how to think for myself and evaluate other ideas that I did not agree with!
We live in a time when "being offended" is empowering. The "offended" person feels right is totally on their side, that there are no counter positions, and that they have an unequivocal right to marginalize, discount or even punish the other party. And as Peter says, people do seek reasons to be offended because it gives them control. It is very cultish behaviour.
your guest list this week hsa beeen INCREDIBLE keep this momentum going! love from the UK!
People do not know how to express their anger and disappointment in our country's loss of ethics and morality. Lies, lies, lies. We are more aware due to the internet, but that is just the tip of the iceberg. If a politician told me it was raining I'd have to go outside and make sure no one was pissing off the roof.
21:38 Again, no one - because of the Hippocratic Oath - is denied healthcare. People often struggle to find affordable health insurance, which is a different thing. The evidence for this is in the California health care system in the last 20 years having many many clinics and urgent-care facilities shut down from bankruptcy because the patients have no health insurance and the government doesn't reimburse. This is not because people were denied health care.
I agree that we should defund the universities. I went to university at night for 11 years 30 years ago because I needed to work full time while getting my education. I never thought that borrowing money to get my education was a good idea, so I figured out how to get my degrees without the financial slavery of a school loan. Most professors I had were not living in the real world back then. I could imagine they must today live much further in and push an ideology that is a "marxist" utopia that is against capitalism and for victimology mentality and affecting the young with the "woke mind virus".
It might be interesting to have college classes segregated by payers. The people who pay out of pocket or without loans backed by a government are grouped together. Students on scholarship are in another group. All others are in a different group. Same classes. Different instructors. Let's see if students with a greater financial stake or students who are already intellectually talented demand better from themselves and the school.
Always good to hear from a thoughtful warrior like Boghossian!
I do think he is off the mark when he suggests that moving from a blue state to a red one will put you "in a bubble." It will not.
Outside of the fact that no state is completely either blue or red, the NATIONAL culture is left-wing and inescapable.
As an academic working in a very red area, I can tell you that my university colleagues are far more ideologically insulated and close-minded that the "redneck" locals who change their tires and fix their plumbing.
I was puzzled by Peter's take on this as well. There are enough differences between conservatives, for example, that they won't be in a bubble. As long as you avail your brain to think clearly and logically, you'll be fine. But you have to avoid the absolute mind-numbing craziness of the people he and Dave are talking about. There is no value in that kind of 'diversity'.
And it seems, based on my own observation, that urban areas also tend to encourage a concentration of the left. Even small cities seem to be more liberal then the rural areas around them. Why? Do urban centers attract those on the left? Or does it breed them? Or is it a combination of both? I surely don't know! In any case, I do believe the large numbers of people living in urban areas are driving this country to the left, even in red states! The way things are going, it's only a matter of time before this country's transformation to the left is complete. I hope I'm wrong.
@@robertbiel6096 What you say about urban and rural is correct. All one has to do is look at a county-by-county voting map for a Presidential election. What you'll see is a sea of red punctuated with islands of blue. These islands, in many cases, are urban centers - LA, San Fran, Seattle, Chicago, Philly, etc. Even in NY state, reliably blue, if you look at upstate numbers, there are many red counties, some of them substantially red.
My theory is that urban centers allow one to plug into an already established system where the infrastructure is in place. Not so much in the rural areas where infrastructure is less and oftentimes not available. The city attracts people who are less independently minded. The city attracts people who wish to stay largely anonymous to the rest of the city. In the small towns everyone tends to know everyone else (whether you like that or not!). The more independent one is, the more they value liberty and self-initiative. On the other side are the people who want to be taken care of and they vote in government to do that very thing - provide FOR them.
as an australian , ourredneck areas of land were populated by red neck politicians , who cos they were 80 years old in 1970, the pacific nations floaked to Australia as part of the collonial eng~ish empire , so this caused 3 main greivences to students who were repreased from work and even from compolsory voting , with me personally ,, participating on discussions about how the old boys club still works in australiaa , 3 . so we have a pro palistiene prime minister who not only made immigration rules about everyone observing the christian faith , but since 1996 this PM was running child trafiking & cocain gangs , this PM demonised univesity & turned them into 1950 style workhouses , we discover at uni just how right wing the media , rupert murdocking is connected to the traffiking network still, nothing has changed , we are lucky though our banks, phones & conversations are al read by CIA , so the AUKUS usa aust agreement was signed by this P,M. who thinks all the american laws apply to australia , @@robertbiel6096 there is no left if rupert murdock controls online topics , but your drug mafia is still supplying australian politicians more drugs to pass redneck christian ,yes mr Master colonial laws , in fact , wisconson is the exact same as all australia ,
the youth is easily manipulated. The military has been taken advantage of that for oh I don’t know forever.
I'm worried about all the same things that Peter Boghossian is worried about
I very much enjoyed this conversation and exchange of ideas/opinions. These types of discussions/exchanges should ("in a perfect world") begin and be encouraged at home so that kids know what it looks and sounds like - or should be like. Parents/aunts/uncles etc making time to TALK to children (w/all devices OFF, including television) are part of a formula that stimulates a kids thinking, interests and curiosity in the world around them. Start them VERY early. I don't hold technology/devices entirely to blame but they've exacerbated the existing disconnects between family and people generally. Learning how to properly/respectfully form an argument based upon logic seems to be all but completely lost. The suggestion to get involved in local governmental and educational meetings/hearings is a very good one.
This discussion can be traced back to the fallacy of our elementary schools. We have generational failure of students to learn how to think. They rank 28th in Math, 32nd in Science, 34th in Reading. Yet the lack of thinking skills being linked to higher learning institutions is not being made. There are teachers, who have been taught by teachers, who cannot think, nor do they have academic curiosity.
Note that our prisons-for-profit rely on elementary school data when determining how many blocks and beds to build. That applies to all states and all demographics. The elementary schools are broken on purpose, and are designed only to foster subservience to the rat race. Note also that corporations rule governments now, and students are raised to hate family structures while embracing brands. Thanks to Tweedism, federal nomination processes are completely divorced from popular votes, leaving federal elections in the hands of power brokers (see also: Davos Summit).
And people wonder why students are discouraged from working on our crumbling infrastructure.
Excellent conversations.. thank you both
Perhaps the best video I have seen in years...and I have seen a multitude of great ones. This gives me hope.
Peter explains why we see so much homelessness: “...Some people on the far left don’t want that problem solved because they look at the manifestation of homelessness as indicative of a problem with the system, and as long as we do keep homelessness there we can see that the system is corrupt and then we can incentivize people to rip down the system because we want social justice. Right? We want to remediate these larger economic problems, and we know the source of these are the capitalist structure.” The far left does not want homelessness solved, or problems with crime solved, because these problems can help facilitate the destruction of our society so that it can be reborn as a purely socialist or communist society. For the far left, capitalism is the main problem.
Love you both so much. Amazing conversations always ❤
I feel like the switch has been flipped current events have brought to light the seriousness of the situation
Rational, moral based thoughts !!!
Soooooo refreshing and comforting to hear expressed .
Grew up in so cal, moved to Portland in 1998 at 42 years old and lived in Portland for 23 years and the first 15 years were fine but then it changed over night
Ideological Subversion has been very successful. We should have listened to Yuri Bezmenov's warning back in the 1980!
The most important thing I leaned in college in the sixties was on my first day of classes as a freshman. Naturally one feels a little bit intimidated. But after I attended my first lecture by a famous historian who turned out to be a complete idiot that feeling went away. He was preaching the notion of a human utopia once the right people would be allowed to be in charge of everyone else.
More people have died from leaders who thought this way than any other way. Socialism/communism works! All the failed socialist nations just weren't doing it right!
@@joecoolioness6399 They lacked Marxist faith. They should have chanted thousands as many sacred quotes of Marx, Mao, Castro.
I doubt his weight loss was related to dairy per se, at least not the fat part, but a reduction in eating refined sugars contained in many dairy products.
I have a Master's. Had to show proficiency in 3 languages for it. Went in the Army to pay off my student loans. They were paid off. Many of my professors were WW II generation, and they were grounded. The woke stuff existed, but it was rare, then. The real question is- can a graduate get a real job, and create value? Most graduates seem to think money grows on trees, they will make six figures out of college, taking long lunches, not doing much. This is not a realistic model. If I had it to do over again... I might get a trades degree- say electrician. Financial aid is great. Then, work, and do the coursework to be an Electrical Engineer, say half-speed. If you cut out partying, & girls, maybe take off Sunday morning to rest- you can do it. You don't want to get married before you are 30 or so, guys. You don't know the warning lights and signs. You need to see at least 3 of your friends crucified in divorce court, and get them talking, so you know what to avoid. Then you look for a woman with a low single digit body count, raised in an intact family, who has a good heart. If she's beautiful- you probably need to ignore her. WOmen with good hearts tend to be plain, with a great smile, raised in an intact family, bright & loving. And meet her mother. Because THAT is what YOU will be married to, in 20-25 years. Been there, done that. Have the scars to show for it.
but you want to marry before 25 so that your kids don't suffer from the genetic damage that comes on after 27
@@theyellowmeaning7507nutrition plays a vital role in reproduction, many women are having children after 40 without any problems. Don’t listen to the fear mongering of big pharma.
There are no women with good hearts. Take the red pill and stop dreaming.
He said it perfectly university has become Echo Chambers
That’s just great and probably is the case! If no hope for change in what’s being taught and espoused in US universities then no hope for America. We’re finished.
We can quit. A Havad Degree could be made a negative indicator.
do you think what is taught and championed in American universities can change and continue to provide hope for America's future?
Wow. I've just met my philosophical compadre. America is worth saving. Never forget.
I agree. The rot is too deep... their is a fantastic opportunity to set up new colleges and universities. There is real money in the opportunity.
Money got unies here
It wouldn’t even be that hard: high standard of academics and no politics.
There should be lots of worry about the WHO Pandemic Treaty.
You mean Bill's decisions 😂
Common curriculum duh which means you pay for two college years of repeat high school... rip off for sure.
Yep
I dropped all my 100 level classes because it was a rehash of highschool. I had to fight 3 different admins just to test out of basic math science and psych. Essentially got over an 85 on all 3 of the finals within the first 14 days of classes. Had to get waivers from my counselor my principal and professors. It was annoying as hell because it was my money being spent out of pocket.
@scottsetzke7967 Unfortunately, the students of today can not do math. Many can not write, and many can not concentrate on what they need to do. The K-12 system has failed them. Their parents failed them.
Unfortunately it has become necessary in most colleges to try and compress a high school education into the first two years in college because most students were either never exposed to those things or no serious effort was made to ensure they learned them.
My wife and I have lost our families too this crazy ideology. But hey, we’re just white folks that love Jesus 😅
"People don't have the tools to navigate difficult problems". No truer statement than that. People don't have the logical capacity, the knowledge of history, the experience of action/consequence. Our young adults (and some aren't so young anymore) have been held in perpetual childhood. They want everything arbitrated because "That's not FAIR". Their actions are the equivalent of foot-stomping and tantrums to get their way.
Don’t people have the capacity for logic, knowledge of history, and experience with actions/consequences?
@@SulemaTrollope No, they don't.
@@kurtcpi5670 Oh fine! This sounds sad. How was your day today?
@@SulemaTrollope LOL! Exactly! My day was great, and tomorrow will also be great! I wake up each morning ready for another day of life, feeling no guilt for my "immutable traits", and so thankful for my life-long partner (we used to say "wife") who worked beside me to make a home and raise 3 children ("boys"). We look forward to planning our summer projects, which we do entirely ourselves, working together. Last year it was a landscaping face lift. This coming summer it will be interior painting and replacing the 25-year-old carpet with laminate flooring. We made modest, working-class wages our entire lives (my first "real" job paid $1.65 per hour). We "sacrificed" so we could save for retirement. We worked to our full social security age (47 working years from age 19 to 66) and "sacrificed" so we could pay off our mortgage and debt before we retired. By "sacrifice" I mean we never went to Disneyland or took a cruise, always bought used cars, shopped at Costco, didn't eat at restaurants, yada yada - how we survived such deprived, oppressed conditions I'll never know!!. We spent our vacations working on (adding value to) our fixer-upper house (it's all we could afford after 13 years in the workforce). Our kids participated in cub scouts and little league, and I helped at practices and took my turn in the concessions stand at the local ballpark. We never expected that someone else would pay for us, so we learned as we went along and did everything ourselves as we could afford it. We've been charitable within our means, mostly by volunteering our time. We believe that all people are created equal, all deserve equal opportunity, and all are responsible for their choices, actions, and errors. We also believe that no one is entitled to someone else's labor (that sounds a lot like slavery). We're aware of the horrors of slavery, and we're in awe that the country founded on "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" would bring it to an end. We feel an incredible indebtedness to the unimaginable sacrifices (conservatively 400,000 deaths) made by civil war heroes to bring about that end. We're equally aware that Marxism, Socialism, Communism, and Fascism have all failed EVERY time they've been attempted on a large scale, because we learned actual history, not revisionist, interpretive nonsense. We've never felt the need to have a $3 sign in our yard signaling our "virtue", or to deface someone else's treasure because they had a dissenting viewpoint. We've shared every experience, every triumph, every tragedy and after 35 years we're still best friends. Now we can take a step back, share a bit of pride in the fruits of our labor and the knowledge that we accepted the challenge. We're not depressed about not living in a wealthy neighborhood in a 6000 square foot house. We're fully aware that we'll be entirely forgotten just a few decades after we die. And we laugh daily at ourselves and our silly mistakes (there were plenty along the way and more to come). Oh, did I mention that my day was great? So how was your day today?