@@cburke1923 most available streaming platforms have the intended order. Fox had the Train Job as the first episode instead of the double episode Serenity, so you had no backstory; they left 3 episodes unaired, etc.
Firefly is still one of my favorite shows. It’s tied with Star Trek: The Next Generation for all-time favorite. I watched it in 2005 after I returned home from my second tour in Iraq, and unfortunately the show had already been canceled by the time I saw it, but it was still an amazing first viewing for an amazing show. R.I.P. Wash and Shepherd. You are both leaves on the wind, soaring through heaven…
Same here, I was stationed overseas in Japan in the Navy, I came home on leave and my brothers were like you have to watch this show. By then it was already cancelled but I fell in love with it instantly. I was active duty Navy '99-06.
@@Rocky-or4rz Hey there, my brother from another military-branch mother. Yeah, when I got back they were rerunning the show like crazy. I’m pretty sure when I finally saw my first episode, it was during a marathon where they played the entire series back-to-back. I remember it playing on the Syfy Channel, but I could be wrong because that seems really fast for a network (FOX) to hand it over to another network (Syfy) so quickly.
First watched Firefly in early 2005, fortunately before Serenity. Re-watch every year, sometimes twice. Show like this'll be with you 'til the day you die.
I'm an old man. My wife knew I was a "Space Baby". Hell, I was born when the Russians launched Sputnik. ALL shows, that have anything to do with space, are my top picks. Seen 'em all. BUT,... when I was late to "Firefly", I felt horrible. I watched it in syndication and loved it immediately. Joss is a brilliant man. The casting was a stroke of genius. My wife bought me the DVD collectors' Edition, and found "Serenity" for me. A yearly binge is my story.
@@VG-fk6nk Let's see, Mal dressed in drag, and was passed off as a joke, check. Innara was called a whore by Mal, passed off as funny, check. Shepard Book's hair is seen as scary to River, and played for laughs, check. Yep, it all check outs. Bigoted humor for a for a KKK show. So planet's rights to do what? OWN SLAVES?! 🤣
Oh so you cant have any of that realistic real world stuff because what.... it hurts ya fee fee's 😂😂 Reality doesnt care and the only way to write great media is by drenching it in reality, even fantasy needs to be grounded, ya cant have mary sues running about the place, where's the danger, the urgency and struggle... nope give em super powers make it propaganda, be suprised when the produckt does not sell @@CosmoShidan
Nathan Fillion is such an unsung hero. Anyone who Played Halo or Destiny knows who Nathan is and having played both games and loved Firefly loves Nathan...
I loved every gorram episode of the show and the movie was a shiny chef's kiss. I'd really really want to see the crew of the Serenity together again and you can say many things about Joss Whedon but one thing is unquestionable. The dude knows his craft.
Yeah it's important to separate the art from the artist. Joss may be a douchebag egomaniac, but he is incredibly talented and produced 3 of the best shows of the past 20-odd years.
@@hottakes9242 people arbitrarily defend Depp because he's a heart throb still for some people, and express things like "let's kill that cum guzzler, I wouldn't even piss on her if she was on fire" etc, but everybody throws Joss under the bus for even looser allegations than Depp received without even questioning it for a second. I guess he wasn't handsome enough and "reddit hivemind" was stronger at the time.
I love Nathan Fillion. He is an excellent actor and from what I've heard, a great person (my aunt met him). I was introduced to him in Firefly. I fell in love with Firefly. It is my favourite show, to this day. I actually just started introducing a friend to it yesterday, probably why this popped up in my feed! Anyway, I watched The Rookie and Castle because of him. They are great shows and I am a fan of them too. That's probably why he can't tell anymore, because people aren't a fan of him in just one thing.
I was hoping for more Firefly cast appearances on Castle, though. When Nathan went into that bedroom and Gina was in the bed with "someone," there HAS TO BE a blooper somewhere of Alan popping out from under the covers! Haha!
I met nathan fillion on the universal studios backlot while he was filming castle.. one of the coolest dudes and most memorable days of my life lol. Firefly was top tier!
I mean, It was also aired out of order entirely. It's not that it ended before it had a chance to become bad, it was literally railroaded by the station right from the gate. The first episode that aired wasn't even the actual pilot episode, but one of the later ones towards the end, if I recall correctly. the higher ups DID NOT WANT it to succeed.
I like Nathan but Joss would need way more than Nathan to vouch for him. Joss would also need way more time away from all this before he gets another chance. I wouldn't want to see a Firefly reboot without Joss (not that I care for the man). I just think its would already be an uphill battle to capture some of what was great about the show and then have a different show runner would be make it near impossible.
I've never seen Firefly so I cannot argue about the quality of that show, but Buffy and Angel were plainly crappy, specially in a production/directing point of view, I've been always amazed how both shows managed to get such high recognition.
@@epbmetal7399 IMHO Firefly/Serenity was the one truly great thing Joss did. Buffy/Angel had moments of brilliance, but I thought they were overrated and tended to take themselves too seriously. (Although I will always love the Smile Time episode of Angel. But I think that's because of Ben Edlund, not Joss.) Yes, I know he directed the first two Avengers movies, IMHO they're vastly overrated as well. It's easy for people to think garbage is great if you can get them to relate emotionally. Look at Twilight.
Nah, that's too tidy. Simon and Kaylee need to have not worked out but still have feelings. Zoe and Wash can't have kids because it would distract from the show too much and add an unnecessary new character that muddles things. It should be Simon having left the ship and becoming a bit less fancy from having to work a hard job in seclusion for years to hide his sister. Inara is off the ship living somewhere in a major planet, but still keeps in touch. River is still River. Jayne left the ship to go work a surprisingly lucrative position, maybe even become the mayor of an outback town. So it's just Zoe, Wash, the Captain and Kaylee running the ship. But something happens that forces them to all get back together, maybe involving the government getting near finding River again.
@@appo9357 that's possible and I'd love to see Mal dealing with that bc you know that baby would have him totally whipped 😆 but sounds like you're talking about a continuation too and tbh I'm not sure fans would react well to a reboot as it'd include too many rewrites of the characters and idk about everyone but I certainly don't want a one of them to change
@@aprildawnsunshine4326 Looking back, I can see how I could’ve worded my original post differently. I definitely agree Mal would be wrapped around the kid’s finger.
If I could wish for a parallel universe with just one little difference from ours, it would definitely be one where Firefly wouldn't have been cancelled. And boy, what a shock as Cain suddenly appeared on the screen!
My family loved firefly and serenity!! There was an excellent ensemble in casting, led by the wonderful and talented Nathan Fillion, the story lines were fantastic wish it could of got the recognition it deserved.
Having watched FIREFLY for the first time recently, I would love to see Nathan and Joss Whedon work together again. Can't say what did or didn't happen, but whether people like it or not, Whedon is a good writer. If anything, I'm amazed JUSTICE LEAGUE (2017) turned out half as good as it did.
My big lottery win dream - I would fund an entire season of Firefly (NOT REBOOT) and Stargate. And maybe if we made enough money on those fund a Farscape comeback as well. I'm talking the 200+ million lotto jackpots.
I've honestly thought about being rich enough to just fund random people who have a interesting movie script and the drive to do it. Imagine being that rich you go around making that possible for people. It would be fun as hell to a billionaire.
I've watched a bunch of scifi, and I can honestly say Firefly was the oddest "sci-fi" show I have ever seen. It's like a western in space with Asian elements, which is how I try and explain it to people who haven't watched. It also has such an endearing charm to it that makes it easily re-watchable. The humor is great! It will forever be known as the number one show that was cancelled WELL before it's time. Such a shame! I really loved it.
Good for Nathan Fillion speaking honesty about how he felt, including another human being a work in progress. We ALL are, and although some actions don't deserve immediate forgiveness (let's not generalize too much), if a human can truly embrace change and be a better person than he/she/they were previously, we should offer forgiveness and support. If we don't, WHEN IT'S FAIRLY WARRANTED, we only hurt humanity's growth, as a whole. XO
Are you kidding me? Obviously you don't have a clue that Nathan Fillion because of his inflated ego, jealousy of Stana Katic, and selfish power grab practically single-handedly ruined the best procedural on network television - Castle. Or as I call it, Caskett.
WTF Talkville!? That's a great idea. Did not expect it, but I love it. Firefly was butchered by the studio (the pilot episode did not make much sense until you've seen the whole show), so I was not surprised when it was canceled. I was also pissed off and sad because it had a sort of swashbuckling vibe of the original Battlestar Galactica, which completely blew my mind when I was 7 to be able to see on TV a space opera that resembled Star Wars. That was the time before VCR to put things in perspective for the kids who grew up with streaming. Anyway Michael, I love and respect how you can pose a hard question but leave an opening for the guest to answer in any way he feels comfortable. That's a classy move.
If there were to be a film I would love it if it were "FireFly: Final Flight" Haveing it be the end result of an animated series or something to build the story for newer viewers.
I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to get a DVD signed at New York City comicon years ago. It’s a copy of saving private Ryan, signed as the wrong Private Ryan - Nathan Fillion It sits in a display case
@@KobashifanSam Oh, I do blame Fox. Additionally, they barely promoted it and adding insult to injury, kept a worse show around instead (I forget the name) which they cancelled at the end of the season anyway. Pin-heads.
Fox were morons. they cancelled several good shows that aired on Fox friday around that time.. instead of moving them to days when people actually watched shows. Firefly, John Doe, Fast Lane, Dark Angel. All Fox Friday. probably one or two more that I can't recall.
Man I was always recommended Firefly never checked it out until last week.. Ended up binging the whole season + movie that day 🍿.. Wouldn’t be at all disappointed if they did a reboot with the original cast, this is one of those gems that got cancelled way to soon and would still fit interests of today if not even more fitting now than then
The episodes were released in the wrong order so anybody watching were struggling to follow parts and if I remember right it aired at like 9pm on a Wednesday so it never really found its audience when it was being shown on TV
What's even more mind blowing is why no other network took a chance and picked up the show. You had a proven creator and showrunner and a dedicated fan base why not take a chance on it?
Nathan Fillion is one of the most under rated/ and under utilized actors in Hollywood. I always wished he could have taken over Star Gate. As a continuation after the original cast. He would of been an amazing team leader to take that franchise further on. Maybe we will see him in the new Warhammer 40K with Henry Cavil. That would blow my mind honestly.
I actually remember Nathan Fillion doing a soap opera called One Live to Live many years ago, if memory serves me correct. We loved him in Castle. But I think I might check into Firefly as I have never seen him in that. I wonder if it’s on Prime?
Prime and Hulu I think. I’m a brown coat since the beginning and I bought the DVDs as soon as they came out so I don’t stream it. You might also watch Dr. horrible‘s sing-along blog. A lighthearted, fun romp starring Neil Patrick Harris and Nathan Fillion and Felicia day. If you like vox machina & The guild, I think you’ll like DHSB. Fire fly is Joss Whedon that is best, with that rare situation where everything comes together just write with the right actors. Firefly is only 14 episodes, so it never had a chance to suck.
Castle sprinkled in a lot of subtle nods to Firefly in it's early seasons. Nathan even did an episode wearing his Mal uniform from Serenity. Adam (twice), Gina, Jewel, and Summer all did guest spots on Castle.
There is no show I've watched repeatedly more than Firefly. I love many shows and movies but they'll never compare to the chemistry of the cast and their chemistry with the viewer than Firefly. Watch it. ps I WASN'T part of the initial following. I watched it YEARS after it's initial airing.
There's always Farscape, Lexx, Space Above and Beyond, Space 1999, Blake's 7, Star Maidens, Starhunter, Babylon 5, Dark Matter, Killjoys, Vagarant Queen, Intersteller, Andromeda, Earth Final Conflict, and Battlestar Galactica 2004 that are easily comparable to Firefly.
the ultimate compromise, my guess would be, is to have Tim Minear run the Firefly reboot if it were to exist. He is one of the best Mutant Enemy writers and he would do it justice, and he's been with Firefly since the beginning. Joss could get a consulting producer position, so his hand would be in it, but he wouldn't be the boss of the show. Joss should never be in charge of anything ever again; it has been shown that it is not safe for him to be an employer.
Should never have been dropped. Ridiculous decision. I know nothing of the controversy he touched on but I loved that show. A brilliant combination of science fiction, action, comedy, heart and spirit. They can’t take the sky from me!!!
I like all the show's to,now I try to watch the rookie when I can remember when it's on,lately it's been reruns. Nathan is. Who I fallow,he's ages well.good show. Fan
Firefly was simultaneously behind and ahead of its own time, so it sort of fell through the cracks where it remained relatively unnoticed until streaming platforms started popping up. And that was truly an unfortunate shame.
Dude, Serenity came out in 2005, before most streaming services were even started. TH-cam only started earlier that same year. You think streaming services are the reason it was greenlit, and why Firefly became so popular?
@@sfreemanoh From all the rubbish back-room executive stuff that came out about the production of Firefly, it *almost* seemed like it was greenlit, mucked around with by randomly scheduling and re-arranging the episodes, then cancelled by a network boss, just to teach Joss Whedon a lesson in humility to network executives.
@@sfreemanoh The Firefly television series aired in Fox's "graveyard slot" in a time when DVRs were not yet widely available, streaming services and video-on-demand programming options were simply non-existent. The series run was directly limited to those who either knew the show was airing so they watched it at the time of broadcast, recorded it via VHS cassette to view later, or they missed the episode(s) altogether; ergo, falling through the cracks. Streaming only serves to bolster penetration of an untapped audience thus potentially growing the fan base even further since the series' broadcast run. My comment has nothing to do with Universal Pictures' attempted cash grab film, Serenity, which was an ironic title choice for the film given that it was the television series' pilot title three years prior.
Omg firefly I love this little show and movie so much keeps me alive little shows and stuff the few things I can enjoy in life I hope there Is a reboot
I love Nathan fillian. I used to love firefly, but I never really cared for his work after that, or really I never gave it a chance because to me he was Mal. Then I saw the Rookie and it made me go back and watch his other work, Castle was great, and hell I even enjoyed slither back in the day, just forgot he was in it. I was a young then and always got him and that dude from bones confused.
@Stephen Schneider Sometimes it’s good not to say mean things. Joss was entering a hostile environment, with a director and story the cast had liked on the way out and immense pressure to finish the movie by a certain time, he said mean things, he probably shouldn’t have, but he did. I’ve also heard Buffy era allegations.
One of the best 3 Sci-Fis EVER! (yes i spell it the REAL way, none of that Scy-Fy bullshit) No idea why they cancelled it. I want season 2 its been 20 years they need to come with it and bring Wash back. They brought Dan back on Roseanne, (awaiting her return any day) they can bring Wash back too 😭😭
Ah, but what he does not know is, I am not a Castle fan or a Firefly fan, I am both! I am also a Rookie fan, this man cannot stop me. Straight up tho Castle is easily tied with Mentalist as my all time favorite cop shows and Firefly had one of the best writing and tones of any show I think ever. I would love it so much if they gave him a chance to do Firefly again
Having watched the series on a recommendation and loved it, saw Serenity at the cinema, loved it, I am very hesitant to watch a reboot with new faces and possibly new writers. If it fails like new Star Trek failed for me, then I'd rather not watch.
I honestly have tried to watch the series 3 different times and could not finish it, Now here the thing, the actors are all really GOOD and the acting in the series was top level it was the story that had me board and had me drop watching it.
@@disposable_hero1725 you tried. It's not for everyone. No shame in that. Most that have seen it that I have spoken to, like it. It's a personal choice. There are plenty of films or music that I don't give time to that are massively popular. Enjoy the stuff you like.
If it was remade these days the Woke would be turned up to eleven.. Just like how they were/are looking at remaking Buffy with lots of race swapping etc.. Especially now that Disney bought Fox so you would have the Company that loves to push woke stuff in their movies etc.. But also in US Poltics doing it instead of a Fox..
@@zakofrx Buffy! FFS. The BBC managed to destroy one of their historically popular and financial cash cows too, when they went woke on Doctor Who. The viewing figures fell off a cliff. You can't recapture original shows popularity when it is no longer fresh. I've noticed shows in the TV guide that are remakes/reboots but I didn't even know existed until I stumbled upon them, so the publicity and interest isn't generated by these updated shows. Eg, Leathal Weapon, Hawaii 5-0, Charlie's Angels, Batwoman (shockingly woke, no superhero stuff, mostly lesbian relationships), even new Obi Wan promotes baby Leia ahead of Obi wan and even Picard is a guest star in his own show. Don't get me started on JJ Abrams Star Trek. It's the times we are living in I'm afraid. If you want entertainment then there's precious little of that nowadays. As a Brit I can't even support 007 anymore. Facepalm.
Yeah, i'm still watching Firefly. I think i'm about on my dozenth cycle.....I know...i have no life! It's good sci-fi and great adventure with spirit and humor. Do it again!
"when he didn't see or experience anything negative with him." Uuuuh yeah because he didn't have as much of a power position of Fillion (and Fillion is a man). Abusers are not abusers to everyone, just the people they abuse. Doesn't make you less of an abuser though. Seriously lost some respect for Nathan here.
@@MartinRenner Joss Whedon didn't abuse anyone, though. I get that Charisma Carpenter was frustrated at having her role reduced, but her pregnancy was written into Angel and she came back for the final season, so I don't get what was so egregious. Or what constitutes "abuse" for her. He apologized. Not sure what else there is to do with that.
@@TamaraKane Dude. He called her "fat" for being pregnant, pushed another actor against a wall and yelled at him for being liked by fans, made (female) writers cry on purpose and was barred from being in a room alone with a 14 year old... Bruh. I get that you like his stuff, I love Firefly, but that doesn't excuse abusive, bigotted behaviour.
@@MartinRenner I'm not saying those things stated in that manner are good, but there are two sides. He says he didn't call her fat. I don't have a reason to believe one over the other, but several people have said they can't even imagine him saying something like that because he is so kind. Now, he has joked with pregnant women before. I heard he said something like, "Someone swallowed a watermelon!" Which obviously is not calling someone fat, but I could see Charisma interpreting it that way, especially as she is prone to getting offended and has on several shows, and struggles with intense anxiety. So, let's say he DID say something like that. I don't think he intended malice because he liked her enough to keep her on his show for every season of the show. She claimed she was fired, but she wasn't. That casts doubt on her other claims. He apologized for anything he said that was "unmannerly." Not sure how else he could be more accountable. She still gets paid for Buffy/Angel. She said there were rules in place back then to make sure she was "always respected" and she got fair pay and residuals. She speaks glowingly of him frequently. She's contradictory.
Every time I think about fire fly, and I get upset remembering the night it was meant to air and realizing it had been canceled, I remind myself at least we got to have a movie.
Nathan Fillion.... Joss Whedon.... I would follow them anywhere. Great team. Firefly still one of my fav shows. But I shudder to think what a non-Joss Wheedon fan would create without either of them.
Yep. It has to have both. I think it could still happen and be great. I'm so glad the accusations against Joss have almost all been debunked. And he shouldn't have to constantly be punished for a failed first marriage. He should be allowed to work.
I wonder if Nathan was a little hesitant to speak badly of Joss Whedon because he didn't see anything first hand so he can't say for sure, and Nathan has also been accused of being a bully to Stana Katic on the set of Castle. Of course the accusations came from anonymous sources, and Stana never said that anything happened. So, unless Nathan knew for sure that Joss did something he wasn't going to say.
Yeah I'm wary of Nathan's opinion of Joss not only because of the Stana Katic situation but also because he didn't fit the demographic Joss bullied - women (like Charisma, SMG) or racial minorities (Ray Fisher). So like the guys who played Spike and Angel, they had no issues with Joss. I respect him giving his opinion of HIS experience of Joss, can't argue with it.
@@munab3666 Yeah but Nathan is still really good friends with all the ladies of the cast, like "hey I'm out of town for a week working can you house sit for me" kind of friends. So, if he ever found out that something happened to Gina, Summer, Jewel or Morenna he wouldn't be protecting Joss. Unless the ladies said not to say anything. And I remember hearing on one of Firefly or Serenity commentaries someone mentioning that one guest star came in, was being disrespectful to the ladies on set and Nathan pulling the guy aside and made sure the guy changed his attitude for the rest of filming.
Love the loyalty this guy is showing! There are two sides too every story and sometimes the Online mob goes too far and won’t even hear the other side! There are many that worked with Whedon that had zero problems. Anthony Head was also shocked that anything was happening. I think some are just thinner skinned than others and Joss was very protective about his shows, his writing, and he wanted everything perfect. Plus he probably has some issues but the accusations have been nowhere near deserving the online reaction he’s getting.
It's interesting "he probably has some issues" doesn't mean he's thin skinned. But aside from that, your analyst is missing the point. Joss Whedon seems to be fine with actors he wants to work with but apparently bullies those he sees as replaceable or just with less clout than he has. Y'know the way bullies always work. Anthony Head, Nathan Fillion, he liked them and wanted their characters. Same with too many actors to name. But Whedon didn't like Spike and disliked that he was being forced by the studio to keep the character around and so, according to James Marsters, physically assaulted Marsters and threatened him. Which James is willing to put up with but isn't how a normal workplace runs. But I digress, the point is when he doesn't want a character or an actor to stick around then he's not going to treat them the way he's treating his favorites. You say two sides, there's one side. He treats different people differently depending on the situation. That's not some cunning gotcha, it just means Whedon is able to control himself as needed but chooses not to when he thinks he can get away with it.
@@cupguin No, "thin skinned" means people can't take any criticism at all. They huff and they puff and they create a mountain out of an ant hill because their feelings got hurt. As the rationalization kicks in to cover their own shame for overreacting, the delusions set in. They're the victim, they couldn't be wrong, could they? Now the rage kicks in and they retell the story to all their friends to punish whoever made them feel so inadequate. Now a mob takes the reigns of their little temper tantrum and burns the plains of the internet like a brush fire out of control. Even if they're in a clearer state of mind now to realize they were wrong, the fire has a life of it's own Hmm...maybe next time don't be so sensitive
@@cupguin it wasn’t physical assault with Marsters. Marsters says he backed him into a walk and yelled at him very passionately. He never hit him. And Marsters said he’d work with him again in a second
@@cupguin He’s definitely an asshole and needs to stop that behavior but most of it comes from confrontations or problems on the set with actors not doing what their boss wants them to do. And some seem like perceived slights. For instance I don’t believe Carpenter was fired for being pregnant. That’s her perception of why she was fired. James Marsters said the show was being cancelled. The WB told Joss they would renew the show if he added James Marsters to the cast. Marsters knew this so he demanded big money. This left none for Carpenter so they let her go. Marsters said he felt guilty about it! I think it’s just easier for her to believe it was personal rather than professional decision of being replaced.
@@mrfloosak you saw where I said "Which James is willing to put up with" right? I also heard what he said and that would qualify as an assault and no one would argue it's acceptability in a normal job. My point also remains the same.the difference between how he treats actors he wants to keep vs those he does not like or does not think are in a position to stand up to him. Joss Whedon isn't an idiot, he's not deranged, from reports he's a bully who picks his targets carefully. All that Nathan Fillion says here just reaffirms that Joss Whedon can treat people better but chooses not to. That's not a good thing.
Great shirt, reppin the Whalers 😊 I will forever love everything Whedon has made, no ones perfect, accept people for flaws, dont ignore or forget them, but let people try to change or improve.
That's the problem with cancel culture today. We only know one side of the story and not the whole thing. There's so many point of views of Joss Whedon that passing him off would be a mistake.
I will forever love space cowboy Nathan. Serenity was awesome also imho. I truly wish this reboot would come about especially with the special effects abilities these days.
*for those who like well written fan faction there is a cross over called Lost In The Woods where Star Trek Next Gen and Firefly cross paths...no spoilers here apart from that Yes, Q is involved in sending Enterprise to the Firefly/Alliance 'Verse...have read this story many times as of this writing and i'm firmly convinced that this would make for an excellent graphic novel translation*
Nathan Fillion is one of my favourite actors (currently starring in arguably the best show on Network TV), Joss Whedon is one of my favourite filmmakers (his resume speaks for itself) and Firefly is in my Top 10 favourite series of all-time (despite it truncated run). Five to seven seasons and it could easily have topped that list.
The worst mistake in movies in the last few years was not making Nathan Fillion Natahn Drake. I know right!
There's a youtube video with him as Drake and Stephen Lang as Sully
Agreed
Or Green Lantern.
Nathan Fillion would have brought the fans out 1000%. Rotten Tomatoes would have exploded from ratings. Why do they keep passing on this man?!?
I watched that little fan film he was in and ya your right he did an amazing job
I will forever hold a grudge towards Fox for airing the episodes out of order.
unforgivable
Same!
Some guy at fox clearly didn't want this show and did his bet to make it fail.
Hmm I never heard of that. I recently just watched firefly for the first time and loved it. What order should I watch it in?
@@cburke1923 most available streaming platforms have the intended order. Fox had the Train Job as the first episode instead of the double episode Serenity, so you had no backstory; they left 3 episodes unaired, etc.
Firefly is still one of my favorite shows. It’s tied with Star Trek: The Next Generation for all-time favorite.
I watched it in 2005 after I returned home from my second tour in Iraq, and unfortunately the show had already been canceled by the time I saw it, but it was still an amazing first viewing for an amazing show.
R.I.P. Wash and Shepherd. You are both leaves on the wind, soaring through heaven…
Where exactly did you serve? What expedition? What force? What CO?
@@NoThankYouToo Outside of Falluja. Operation Enduring Freedom. Marine Corps. Alpha Company, 2nd LAR.
What’s with the 20 questions?
B5?
Edit and The Expanse 👈of course 👍
Same here, I was stationed overseas in Japan in the Navy, I came home on leave and my brothers were like you have to watch this show. By then it was already cancelled but I fell in love with it instantly. I was active duty Navy '99-06.
@@Rocky-or4rz Hey there, my brother from another military-branch mother. Yeah, when I got back they were rerunning the show like crazy. I’m pretty sure when I finally saw my first episode, it was during a marathon where they played the entire series back-to-back. I remember it playing on the Syfy Channel, but I could be wrong because that seems really fast for a network (FOX) to hand it over to another network (Syfy) so quickly.
First watched Firefly in early 2005, fortunately before Serenity. Re-watch every year, sometimes twice.
Show like this'll be with you 'til the day you die.
I'm an old man. My wife knew I was a "Space Baby". Hell, I was born when the Russians launched Sputnik. ALL shows, that have anything to do with space, are my top picks. Seen 'em all.
BUT,... when I was late to "Firefly", I felt horrible. I watched it in syndication and loved it immediately. Joss is a brilliant man. The casting was a stroke of genius.
My wife bought me the DVD collectors' Edition, and found "Serenity" for me.
A yearly binge is my story.
Took me a while to convince my wife to watch Firefly and she loved it! Take my love, take my land! We still sing the song here and there
Agreed the show was great and the theme song was as well. I cannot think of a single bad thing to say about this show and cast.
Oh you Klansman you!
I'm rewatching Firefly now. It really holds up. Like *really* holds up.
It would if only the transphobic, racist and sexist humor weren't so pronouced, it would not be so outdated.
@@CosmoShidan None of those things were in Firefly, touch some grass tourist.
@@VG-fk6nk Let's see, Mal dressed in drag, and was passed off as a joke, check.
Innara was called a whore by Mal, passed off as funny, check.
Shepard Book's hair is seen as scary to River, and played for laughs, check.
Yep, it all check outs. Bigoted humor for a for a KKK show. So planet's rights to do what? OWN SLAVES?!
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Oh so you cant have any of that realistic real world stuff because what.... it hurts ya fee fee's 😂😂
Reality doesnt care and the only way to write great media is by drenching it in reality, even fantasy needs to be grounded, ya cant have mary sues running about the place, where's the danger, the urgency and struggle... nope give em super powers make it propaganda, be suprised when the produckt does not sell
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@@CosmoShidanMal specifically made the "whore" comment to mock people who would say that. Yeesh!
That cast had extraordinary chemistry and deserved much better than what they got.
Really love his positivity and how he answered every question asked of him. What a mensch ❤️
Agreed
Captain, oh, my captain!
@@markuss4133 just because you didn’t like his answer doesn’t make it any less valid. Quit drinking the haterade 🙄.
Would have been better if Fillion would stop interrupting and let him talk!!!.🤬
@@caravanstuff2827 agree to disagree.
Nathan Fillion is such an unsung hero. Anyone who Played Halo or Destiny knows who Nathan is and having played both games and loved Firefly loves Nathan...
Destiny series too. Well, for a good chunk of the run. Gina Torres and Morena Baccarin also both have roles.
@@Fadaar Cayde-6 ...And I didnt realize Morena was voicing Sagira. Also I wish they modeled Ikora after Gina Torres
I loved every gorram episode of the show and the movie was a shiny chef's kiss. I'd really really want to see the crew of the Serenity together again and you can say many things about Joss Whedon but one thing is unquestionable. The dude knows his craft.
no wash tho he was super important for the chemistry of the show
Yeah it's important to separate the art from the artist. Joss may be a douchebag egomaniac, but he is incredibly talented and produced 3 of the best shows of the past 20-odd years.
@@obscure.reference just pretend the movie didn't happen
It would be tough to revisit the Serenity without Shepard Book, though. RIP Ron Glass.
@@hottakes9242 people arbitrarily defend Depp because he's a heart throb still for some people, and express things like "let's kill that cum guzzler, I wouldn't even piss on her if she was on fire" etc, but everybody throws Joss under the bus for even looser allegations than Depp received without even questioning it for a second. I guess he wasn't handsome enough and "reddit hivemind" was stronger at the time.
I love Nathan Fillion. He is an excellent actor and from what I've heard, a great person (my aunt met him). I was introduced to him in Firefly. I fell in love with Firefly. It is my favourite show, to this day. I actually just started introducing a friend to it yesterday, probably why this popped up in my feed!
Anyway, I watched The Rookie and Castle because of him. They are great shows and I am a fan of them too. That's probably why he can't tell anymore, because people aren't a fan of him in just one thing.
I was hoping for more Firefly cast appearances on Castle, though. When Nathan went into that bedroom and Gina was in the bed with "someone," there HAS TO BE a blooper somewhere of Alan popping out from under the covers! Haha!
Probably fell in love with his ass in the last episode of firefly . Ruined a decent series
Firefly was great and Castle (up till kidnapping/marriage) magic. Rookie? It’s ok.
Watch slither if you haven't yet. He's hilarious in it
@@RxWhiskey Good ol' "Captain Tightpants!" 😂
I met nathan fillion on the universal studios backlot while he was filming castle.. one of the coolest dudes and most memorable days of my life lol. Firefly was top tier!
Since it was Joss who created the dialogue and characters and made Firefly so wonderful, with out him, fergit it!
Firefly and Serenity are some of the best things I've seen in my life
I can't believe Nathan Fillion said something here that I've been saying for years. That Firefly ended before it had a chance to become bad.
I remember hearing someone say "Firefly didn't last long enough to have its Angel season 4." I always thought that was funny.
I thought it was already bad from the start.
I mean, It was also aired out of order entirely. It's not that it ended before it had a chance to become bad, it was literally railroaded by the station right from the gate.
The first episode that aired wasn't even the actual pilot episode, but one of the later ones towards the end, if I recall correctly. the higher ups DID NOT WANT it to succeed.
@@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken How exactly can a show that Neoconfederate platforming sell eh?!
@@CosmoShidan I have no idea what you're trying to say tbh lol
Lol I’ll watch anything that has Nathan Fillion in it, such a great dude.
Nathan Fillion is honestly Joss Whedon's best shot at redeeming himself and his reputation in the eyes of the public. Such is the power of The Cap'n.
I like Nathan but Joss would need way more than Nathan to vouch for him. Joss would also need way more time away from all this before he gets another chance. I wouldn't want to see a Firefly reboot without Joss (not that I care for the man). I just think its would already be an uphill battle to capture some of what was great about the show and then have a different show runner would be make it near impossible.
Nathan should steer well clear of that toxic waste dump… would be a bad career move to attempt to help Joss rehabilitate his image.
@@katet3648 I agree!
I've never seen Firefly so I cannot argue about the quality of that show, but Buffy and Angel were plainly crappy, specially in a production/directing point of view, I've been always amazed how both shows managed to get such high recognition.
@@epbmetal7399 IMHO Firefly/Serenity was the one truly great thing Joss did. Buffy/Angel had moments of brilliance, but I thought they were overrated and tended to take themselves too seriously. (Although I will always love the Smile Time episode of Angel. But I think that's because of Ben Edlund, not Joss.) Yes, I know he directed the first two Avengers movies, IMHO they're vastly overrated as well.
It's easy for people to think garbage is great if you can get them to relate emotionally. Look at Twilight.
It’s years later, Zoe and Wash’s kid is grown up, Simon and Kallie have a kid too, River is somewhat “normal”. Jayne is still Jayne.
Nah, that's too tidy. Simon and Kaylee need to have not worked out but still have feelings. Zoe and Wash can't have kids because it would distract from the show too much and add an unnecessary new character that muddles things. It should be Simon having left the ship and becoming a bit less fancy from having to work a hard job in seclusion for years to hide his sister. Inara is off the ship living somewhere in a major planet, but still keeps in touch. River is still River. Jayne left the ship to go work a surprisingly lucrative position, maybe even become the mayor of an outback town. So it's just Zoe, Wash, the Captain and Kaylee running the ship. But something happens that forces them to all get back together, maybe involving the government getting near finding River again.
Clearly someone didn't see Serenity... Wash isn't around anymore 😭
@@aprildawnsunshine4326 They’re talking about a reboot, not a continuation. Besides, it’s still possible the Zoe got pregnant before Wash died.
@@appo9357 that's possible and I'd love to see Mal dealing with that bc you know that baby would have him totally whipped 😆 but sounds like you're talking about a continuation too and tbh I'm not sure fans would react well to a reboot as it'd include too many rewrites of the characters and idk about everyone but I certainly don't want a one of them to change
@@aprildawnsunshine4326 Looking back, I can see how I could’ve worded my original post differently. I definitely agree Mal would be wrapped around the kid’s finger.
We missed him so badly this year! hope he comes by next time!! -a purely Nathan Fillion fan
If I could wish for a parallel universe with just one little difference from ours, it would definitely be one where Firefly wouldn't have been cancelled.
And boy, what a shock as Cain suddenly appeared on the screen!
I love love Nathan Fillion, such an amazing actor and seems like such a good human being!!
Never seen an episode of Castle but re-watched Firefly so many times, lost count. Let's bring it back.
Great interview. Nathan Filion is a class actor, turned to gold whatever he touched.
Not in my world. He is a mediocre actor at best who thinks only of himself.
I have watched both Castle and firefly. I will watch anything he does. I just love his presence.
Well from 2014 up to 2018 he was cayde 6 in the Destiny Franchise
@@simonjack9699 I will give it a watch. Thank you.
My family loved firefly and serenity!!
There was an excellent ensemble in casting, led by the wonderful and talented Nathan Fillion,
the story lines were fantastic wish it could of got the recognition it deserved.
Having watched FIREFLY for the first time recently, I would love to see Nathan and Joss Whedon work together again. Can't say what did or didn't happen, but whether people like it or not, Whedon is a good writer. If anything, I'm amazed JUSTICE LEAGUE (2017) turned out half as good as it did.
Great guy work with. He's a true professional and a lovely person. Blessings Nathan
My big lottery win dream - I would fund an entire season of Firefly (NOT REBOOT) and Stargate. And maybe if we made enough money on those fund a Farscape comeback as well. I'm talking the 200+ million lotto jackpots.
I agree with this 1 MILLION PERCENT!
Hands down. I would do them almost in that order. Firefly, Farscape and then Stargate.
Sounds good to me. We all make sure they are done right 🙂
I've honestly thought about being rich enough to just fund random people who have a interesting movie script and the drive to do it. Imagine being that rich you go around making that possible for people. It would be fun as hell to a billionaire.
@@love-ip7sz that would be awesome! And those people would likely do it much better than the lazy writers in Hollywood!
I've watched a bunch of scifi, and I can honestly say Firefly was the oddest "sci-fi" show I have ever seen. It's like a western in space with Asian elements, which is how I try and explain it to people who haven't watched. It also has such an endearing charm to it that makes it easily re-watchable. The humor is great! It will forever be known as the number one show that was cancelled WELL before it's time. Such a shame! I really loved it.
It's somewhat cowboy bebop live action.
Cowboy bebop was garbage compared to firefly!
@@politicallyincorrectpanda Daaaaamn, the anime or the llive action?
"Firefly was the oddest "sci-fi" show I have ever seen" You need to see Farscape then....thats another dimension of odd xD
@Igneo I came here to also say Farscape. I found the show after Ben joined Stargate.
I "discovered" Firefly while at Victory Base in Iraq. Every summer I watch the whole thing again. Firefly IS the best Sci-Fi.
As last ng as he is in it we definitely want this reboot. Nathan you are amazing. Me and my wife watch every single show you do.
Love that he doesn't pander and is honest that he'd work with Joss again... he knows more about him than we ever will and what really goes on.
Good for Nathan Fillion speaking honesty about how he felt, including another human being a work in progress. We ALL are, and although some actions don't deserve immediate forgiveness (let's not generalize too much), if a human can truly embrace change and be a better person than he/she/they were previously, we should offer forgiveness and support. If we don't, WHEN IT'S FAIRLY WARRANTED, we only hurt humanity's growth, as a whole. XO
Are you kidding me? Obviously you don't have a clue that Nathan Fillion because of his inflated ego, jealousy of Stana Katic, and selfish power grab practically single-handedly ruined the best procedural on network television - Castle. Or as I call it, Caskett.
Zookate I agree with you ❤️
WTF Talkville!? That's a great idea. Did not expect it, but I love it.
Firefly was butchered by the studio (the pilot episode did not make much sense until you've seen the whole show), so I was not surprised when it was canceled. I was also pissed off and sad because it had a sort of swashbuckling vibe of the original Battlestar Galactica, which completely blew my mind when I was 7 to be able to see on TV a space opera that resembled Star Wars. That was the time before VCR to put things in perspective for the kids who grew up with streaming.
Anyway Michael, I love and respect how you can pose a hard question but leave an opening for the guest to answer in any way he feels comfortable. That's a classy move.
Timed really well as I was thinking about doing a complete SV rewatch myself in a few weeks! xD
Regardless of how projects turn out. Nathan is one of the greatest to ever do it. Captain Reynolds’s is right there with Harrison Fords Han Solo.
Nathan Fillion & Firefly were brilliant, that man should have been Nathan Drake, instead we got lil Tom Holland & Marky Mark, shame.
If there were to be a film I would love it if it were "FireFly: Final Flight" Haveing it be the end result of an animated series or something to build the story for newer viewers.
I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to get a DVD signed at New York City comicon years ago. It’s a copy of saving private Ryan, signed as the wrong Private Ryan - Nathan Fillion
It sits in a display case
For my money, Firefly was the greatest TV show ever. Period. That it was cancelled after only half a season was criminal.
Blame it on Fox. They put the show out in random order and confused the crap outta everyone
@@KobashifanSam Oh, I do blame Fox. Additionally, they barely promoted it and adding insult to injury, kept a worse show around instead (I forget the name) which they cancelled at the end of the season anyway. Pin-heads.
Fox were morons. they cancelled several good shows that aired on Fox friday around that time.. instead of moving them to days when people actually watched shows. Firefly, John Doe, Fast Lane, Dark Angel. All Fox Friday. probably one or two more that I can't recall.
and yes, Firefly was definitely the best out of these.
@@jwood2345 also family guy and arrested development. thankfullly those 2 got revived by cable/streaming.
Firefly Forever. Yes it broke my heart.
Nathan looks great !! Let's Do It !!!
"You can't take The Sky from me ..."
Man I was always recommended Firefly never checked it out until last week.. Ended up binging the whole season + movie that day 🍿.. Wouldn’t be at all disappointed if they did a reboot with the original cast, this is one of those gems that got cancelled way to soon and would still fit interests of today if not even more fitting now than then
I've literally watch this series at least 20 times....at least 5 times with my wife. Now we both miss it :(
fair and honest answers. one of the few men i respect in Hollywood
Firefly is one of those shows I've watched more then twice... thrice... qua... you get the point. It still holds up.
No it does not, it's KKK propaganda in retrospect.
Nathan Fillion would be a perfect Nathan Drake in an Uncharted movie or show
Yeah, basically this but longer: th-cam.com/video/v5CZQpqF_74/w-d-xo.html
You've seen the bootleg video of him as Drake right?
Firefly
The episodes were released in the wrong order so anybody watching were struggling to follow parts and if I remember right it aired at like 9pm on a Wednesday so it never really found its audience when it was being shown on TV
What's even more mind blowing is why no other network took a chance and picked up the show. You had a proven creator and showrunner and a dedicated fan base why not take a chance on it?
@@mikehunt4265 ok, understand kinda why then. I guess the numbers was not adding up
Nathan is one of my favorite actors. Castle was a good series.
Castle was a great series because of Stana Katic, not Nathan Fillion
No I'm pretty sure it was Nathan that made it great they could have used any pretty girl to play the female cop
Love this series ❤ reboot it please xxxx
loved the show! movie was AMAZING
Nathan Fillion is one of the most under rated/ and under utilized actors in Hollywood. I always wished he could have taken over Star Gate. As a continuation after the original cast. He would of been an amazing team leader to take that franchise further on. Maybe we will see him in the new Warhammer 40K with Henry Cavil. That would blow my mind honestly.
I actually remember Nathan Fillion doing a soap opera called One Live to Live many years ago, if memory serves me correct. We loved him in Castle. But I think I might check into Firefly as I have never seen him in that. I wonder if it’s on Prime?
Prime and Hulu I think. I’m a brown coat since the beginning and I bought the DVDs as soon as they came out so I don’t stream it. You might also watch Dr. horrible‘s sing-along blog. A lighthearted, fun romp starring Neil Patrick Harris and Nathan Fillion and Felicia day. If you like vox machina & The guild, I think you’ll like DHSB. Fire fly is Joss Whedon that is best, with that rare situation where everything comes together just write with the right actors. Firefly is only 14 episodes, so it never had a chance to suck.
Castle sprinkled in a lot of subtle nods to Firefly in it's early seasons. Nathan even did an episode wearing his Mal uniform from Serenity. Adam (twice), Gina, Jewel, and Summer all did guest spots on Castle.
@@unklesalty3732 😹😻👍🫶 The scene in the Halloween episode where he wore the Mal outfit… *_SHINY!_*
There is no show I've watched repeatedly more than Firefly. I love many shows and movies but they'll never compare to the chemistry of the cast and their chemistry with the viewer than Firefly. Watch it.
ps I WASN'T part of the initial following. I watched it YEARS after it's initial airing.
There's always Farscape, Lexx, Space Above and Beyond, Space 1999, Blake's 7, Star Maidens, Starhunter, Babylon 5, Dark Matter, Killjoys, Vagarant Queen, Intersteller, Andromeda, Earth Final Conflict, and Battlestar Galactica 2004 that are easily comparable to Firefly.
i would pay the subscription for any streaming service instantly if they started a new firefly series!
"It didn't have an opportunity to suck" - amen to that! That's why I'm not too crazy about a remake. Let it go, guys. Cherish the one we got!
the ultimate compromise, my guess would be, is to have Tim Minear run the Firefly reboot if it were to exist. He is one of the best Mutant Enemy writers and he would do it justice, and he's been with Firefly since the beginning. Joss could get a consulting producer position, so his hand would be in it, but he wouldn't be the boss of the show. Joss should never be in charge of anything ever again; it has been shown that it is not safe for him to be an employer.
Most of the good stuff Joss gets credit for was actually Tim Minear.
@@FleshGolem420 him, or Jane Espenson.
I love Firefly and Fillion but honestly the best thing about this video is the Whalers shirt! Luthor you sick bastard, I love it!
I love how Nathan handles the Joss Whedon aspect. Joss Whedon is integral to any WhedonVerse adaptation. The man deserves a chance at redemption.
Agreed. I don't think he did anything to Charisma Carpenter anyway. And Gal Gadot's and Ray Fisher's claims have been debunked.
Should never have been dropped. Ridiculous decision. I know nothing of the controversy he touched on but I loved that show. A brilliant combination of science fiction, action, comedy, heart and spirit. They can’t take the sky from me!!!
But ain't gonna have states rights to..OWN SLAVES?!
I like all the show's to,now I try to watch the rookie when I can remember when it's on,lately it's been reruns. Nathan is. Who I fallow,he's ages well.good show. Fan
I would love to see this, as long as original cast is used.
Firefly was simultaneously behind and ahead of its own time, so it sort of fell through the cracks where it remained relatively unnoticed until streaming platforms started popping up. And that was truly an unfortunate shame.
Dude, Serenity came out in 2005, before most streaming services were even started. TH-cam only started earlier that same year. You think streaming services are the reason it was greenlit, and why Firefly became so popular?
@@sfreemanoh From all the rubbish back-room executive stuff that came out about the production of Firefly, it *almost* seemed like it was greenlit, mucked around with by randomly scheduling and re-arranging the episodes, then cancelled by a network boss, just to teach Joss Whedon a lesson in humility to network executives.
@@sfreemanoh The Firefly television series aired in Fox's "graveyard slot" in a time when DVRs were not yet widely available, streaming services and video-on-demand programming options were simply non-existent. The series run was directly limited to those who either knew the show was airing so they watched it at the time of broadcast, recorded it via VHS cassette to view later, or they missed the episode(s) altogether; ergo, falling through the cracks. Streaming only serves to bolster penetration of an untapped audience thus potentially growing the fan base even further since the series' broadcast run. My comment has nothing to do with Universal Pictures' attempted cash grab film, Serenity, which was an ironic title choice for the film given that it was the television series' pilot title three years prior.
Firefly - Nathan and Joss and the Rest of the Crew. PLEASE
Adam Baldwin's a fascist. Let Firefly stay burried.
Omg firefly I love this little show and movie so much keeps me alive little shows and stuff the few things I can enjoy in life I hope there Is a reboot
I love Nathan fillian. I used to love firefly, but I never really cared for his work after that, or really I never gave it a chance because to me he was Mal. Then I saw the Rookie and it made me go back and watch his other work, Castle was great, and hell I even enjoyed slither back in the day, just forgot he was in it. I was a young then and always got him and that dude from bones confused.
Although Joss Whedon created the show, a reboot could be very capably run by original series showrunner, Tim Minear.
@Stephen Schneider Sometimes it’s good not to say mean things. Joss was entering a hostile environment, with a director and story the cast had liked on the way out and immense pressure to finish the movie by a certain time, he said mean things, he probably shouldn’t have, but he did. I’ve also heard Buffy era allegations.
Some more Firefly would be amazing!
One of the best 3 Sci-Fis EVER! (yes i spell it the REAL way, none of that Scy-Fy bullshit) No idea why they cancelled it. I want season 2 its been 20 years they need to come with it and bring Wash back. They brought Dan back on Roseanne, (awaiting her return any day) they can bring Wash back too 😭😭
It was most likely cancelled because Firefly is thinly disguised Neo-confederate/KKK fan-fiction.
Firefly can only come back if the main cast returns, anything else is gonna rightfully bomb
Ah, but what he does not know is, I am not a Castle fan or a Firefly fan, I am both! I am also a Rookie fan, this man cannot stop me. Straight up tho Castle is easily tied with Mentalist as my all time favorite cop shows and Firefly had one of the best writing and tones of any show I think ever. I would love it so much if they gave him a chance to do Firefly again
Just because he had a particular experience that does not mean others had the same experience.
That’s why he said...that it wasn’t his experience of him......that’s a valid response.
We don't want a reboot.. We want continuation after episode 14
Having watched the series on a recommendation and loved it, saw Serenity at the cinema, loved it, I am very hesitant to watch a reboot with new faces and possibly new writers. If it fails like new Star Trek failed for me, then I'd rather not watch.
I honestly have tried to watch the series 3 different times and could not finish it, Now here the thing, the actors are all really GOOD and the acting in the series was top level it was the story that had me board and had me drop watching it.
@@disposable_hero1725 you tried. It's not for everyone. No shame in that. Most that have seen it that I have spoken to, like it. It's a personal choice. There are plenty of films or music that I don't give time to that are massively popular. Enjoy the stuff you like.
If it was remade these days the Woke would be turned up to eleven..
Just like how they were/are looking at remaking Buffy with lots of race swapping etc..
Especially now that Disney bought Fox so you would have the Company that loves to push woke stuff in their movies etc.. But also in US Poltics doing it instead of a Fox..
@@zakofrx Buffy! FFS. The BBC managed to destroy one of their historically popular and financial cash cows too, when they went woke on Doctor Who. The viewing figures fell off a cliff. You can't recapture original shows popularity when it is no longer fresh. I've noticed shows in the TV guide that are remakes/reboots but I didn't even know existed until I stumbled upon them, so the publicity and interest isn't generated by these updated shows. Eg, Leathal Weapon, Hawaii 5-0, Charlie's Angels, Batwoman (shockingly woke, no superhero stuff, mostly lesbian relationships), even new Obi Wan promotes baby Leia ahead of Obi wan and even Picard is a guest star in his own show. Don't get me started on JJ Abrams Star Trek. It's the times we are living in I'm afraid. If you want entertainment then there's precious little of that nowadays. As a Brit I can't even support 007 anymore. Facepalm.
Yeah, i'm still watching Firefly. I think i'm about on my dozenth cycle.....I know...i have no life! It's good sci-fi and great adventure with spirit and humor. Do it again!
More than anything else in the Film / TV industry, I wish for an additional 7 and half seasons of Firefly.
I appreciate him not speaking ill of Whedon when he didn't see or experience anything negative with him.
I do, too. I can't believe the people who piled on with nothing of any substance. I feel sorry for them. They should be embarrassed.
"when he didn't see or experience anything negative with him."
Uuuuh yeah because he didn't have as much of a power position of Fillion (and Fillion is a man). Abusers are not abusers to everyone, just the people they abuse. Doesn't make you less of an abuser though. Seriously lost some respect for Nathan here.
@@MartinRenner Joss Whedon didn't abuse anyone, though. I get that Charisma Carpenter was frustrated at having her role reduced, but her pregnancy was written into Angel and she came back for the final season, so I don't get what was so egregious. Or what constitutes "abuse" for her. He apologized. Not sure what else there is to do with that.
@@TamaraKane Dude. He called her "fat" for being pregnant, pushed another actor against a wall and yelled at him for being liked by fans, made (female) writers cry on purpose and was barred from being in a room alone with a 14 year old...
Bruh.
I get that you like his stuff, I love Firefly, but that doesn't excuse abusive, bigotted behaviour.
@@MartinRenner I'm not saying those things stated in that manner are good, but there are two sides. He says he didn't call her fat. I don't have a reason to believe one over the other, but several people have said they can't even imagine him saying something like that because he is so kind. Now, he has joked with pregnant women before. I heard he said something like, "Someone swallowed a watermelon!" Which obviously is not calling someone fat, but I could see Charisma interpreting it that way, especially as she is prone to getting offended and has on several shows, and struggles with intense anxiety. So, let's say he DID say something like that. I don't think he intended malice because he liked her enough to keep her on his show for every season of the show. She claimed she was fired, but she wasn't. That casts doubt on her other claims. He apologized for anything he said that was "unmannerly." Not sure how else he could be more accountable. She still gets paid for Buffy/Angel. She said there were rules in place back then to make sure she was "always respected" and she got fair pay and residuals. She speaks glowingly of him frequently. She's contradictory.
Every time I think about fire fly, and I get upset remembering the night it was meant to air and realizing it had been canceled, I remind myself at least we got to have a movie.
I wonder where those articles came from where it was supposedly said that Disney+ was rebooting Firefly. Anyone know
Nathan Fillion.... Joss Whedon.... I would follow them anywhere. Great team. Firefly still one of my fav shows. But I shudder to think what a non-Joss Wheedon fan would create without either of them.
Yep. It has to have both. I think it could still happen and be great. I'm so glad the accusations against Joss have almost all been debunked. And he shouldn't have to constantly be punished for a failed first marriage. He should be allowed to work.
I wonder if Nathan was a little hesitant to speak badly of Joss Whedon because he didn't see anything first hand so he can't say for sure, and Nathan has also been accused of being a bully to Stana Katic on the set of Castle. Of course the accusations came from anonymous sources, and Stana never said that anything happened. So, unless Nathan knew for sure that Joss did something he wasn't going to say.
Yeah I'm wary of Nathan's opinion of Joss not only because of the Stana Katic situation but also because he didn't fit the demographic Joss bullied - women (like Charisma, SMG) or racial minorities (Ray Fisher). So like the guys who played Spike and Angel, they had no issues with Joss. I respect him giving his opinion of HIS experience of Joss, can't argue with it.
@@munab3666 booyah!!!!!!
@@munab3666 Yeah but Nathan is still really good friends with all the ladies of the cast, like "hey I'm out of town for a week working can you house sit for me" kind of friends. So, if he ever found out that something happened to Gina, Summer, Jewel or Morenna he wouldn't be protecting Joss. Unless the ladies said not to say anything.
And I remember hearing on one of Firefly or Serenity commentaries someone mentioning that one guest star came in, was being disrespectful to the ladies on set and Nathan pulling the guy aside and made sure the guy changed his attitude for the rest of filming.
Which is called being gracious and classy, and not jumping on a bandwagon or to conclusions. Nate's a nice guy.
@@munab3666 James Marsters, who played Spike, had issues with Joss Whedon which he's gone into detail on Rosembaum's and others' shows.
Love the loyalty this guy is showing! There are two sides too every story and sometimes the Online mob goes too far and won’t even hear the other side! There are many that worked with Whedon that had zero problems. Anthony Head was also shocked that anything was happening. I think some are just thinner skinned than others and Joss was very protective about his shows, his writing, and he wanted everything perfect. Plus he probably has some issues but the accusations have been nowhere near deserving the online reaction he’s getting.
It's interesting "he probably has some issues" doesn't mean he's thin skinned. But aside from that, your analyst is missing the point. Joss Whedon seems to be fine with actors he wants to work with but apparently bullies those he sees as replaceable or just with less clout than he has. Y'know the way bullies always work. Anthony Head, Nathan Fillion, he liked them and wanted their characters. Same with too many actors to name. But Whedon didn't like Spike and disliked that he was being forced by the studio to keep the character around and so, according to James Marsters, physically assaulted Marsters and threatened him. Which James is willing to put up with but isn't how a normal workplace runs. But I digress, the point is when he doesn't want a character or an actor to stick around then he's not going to treat them the way he's treating his favorites.
You say two sides, there's one side. He treats different people differently depending on the situation. That's not some cunning gotcha, it just means Whedon is able to control himself as needed but chooses not to when he thinks he can get away with it.
@@cupguin No, "thin skinned" means people can't take any criticism at all. They huff and they puff and they create a mountain out of an ant hill because their feelings got hurt. As the rationalization kicks in to cover their own shame for overreacting, the delusions set in. They're the victim, they couldn't be wrong, could they? Now the rage kicks in and they retell the story to all their friends to punish whoever made them feel so inadequate. Now a mob takes the reigns of their little temper tantrum and burns the plains of the internet like a brush fire out of control. Even if they're in a clearer state of mind now to realize they were wrong, the fire has a life of it's own
Hmm...maybe next time don't be so sensitive
@@cupguin it wasn’t physical assault with Marsters. Marsters says he backed him into a walk and yelled at him very passionately. He never hit him. And Marsters said he’d work with him again in a second
@@cupguin He’s definitely an asshole and needs to stop that behavior but most of it comes from confrontations or problems on the set with actors not doing what their boss wants them to do. And some seem like perceived slights. For instance I don’t believe Carpenter was fired for being pregnant. That’s her perception of why she was fired. James Marsters said the show was being cancelled. The WB told Joss they would renew the show if he added James Marsters to the cast. Marsters knew this so he demanded big money. This left none for Carpenter so they let her go. Marsters said he felt guilty about it! I think it’s just easier for her to believe it was personal rather than professional decision of being replaced.
@@mrfloosak you saw where I said "Which James is willing to put up with" right? I also heard what he said and that would qualify as an assault and no one would argue it's acceptability in a normal job.
My point also remains the same.the difference between how he treats actors he wants to keep vs those he does not like or does not think are in a position to stand up to him. Joss Whedon isn't an idiot, he's not deranged, from reports he's a bully who picks his targets carefully. All that Nathan Fillion says here just reaffirms that Joss Whedon can treat people better but chooses not to. That's not a good thing.
Great shirt, reppin the Whalers 😊 I will forever love everything Whedon has made, no ones perfect, accept people for flaws, dont ignore or forget them, but let people try to change or improve.
My first intro to firefly was Our Mrs Reynolds when it aired randomly. Been a brown coat since~
It truly is a bummer because I loved Firefly and Serenity. To this day.
All of the above and great job on the rookie :D
Nathan Fillion would still be perfect for a LA Hal Jodan
He has voiced him before
@@Niall487 Yes I know this, but I mean specifically Live Action.
That's the problem with cancel culture today. We only know one side of the story and not the whole thing. There's so many point of views of Joss Whedon that passing him off would be a mistake.
Agreed. I don't think he did anything wrong at all, aside from having a failed first marriage, which he admitted to.
You know why Firefly got canned? It's because it's KKK propaganda.
yes, yes...talk ville....I'm there..
"Yes Sir, Captain Tight Pants!"👍🏼🤠 love firefly
The real Nathan Drake ! What a shame they didn't cast him !
A continuation of the series would be acceptable, continuing roughly after the movie left off. A reboot is unacceptable.
How about a reboot that pick up after season 1 and throws out the movie?
@@davidtucker9498 You can't make a show like Firefly today because of the KKK baggage.
I'm A big Firefly, Castle and Rookie fan ;)
I will forever love space cowboy Nathan. Serenity was awesome also imho. I truly wish this reboot would come about especially with the special effects abilities these days.
*for those who like well written fan faction there is a cross over called Lost In The Woods where Star Trek Next Gen and Firefly cross paths...no spoilers here apart from that Yes, Q is involved in sending Enterprise to the Firefly/Alliance 'Verse...have read this story many times as of this writing and i'm firmly convinced that this would make for an excellent graphic novel translation*
I’ve read that fic as well, and I agree wholeheartedly. 😆
man don’t put the ads in the middle like that it’s so weird
*_Yes_*
ive watched this on disney+
hope they do a reboot with all the same actors
Nathan Fillion is one of my favourite actors (currently starring in arguably the best show on Network TV), Joss Whedon is one of my favourite filmmakers (his resume speaks for itself) and Firefly is in my Top 10 favourite series of all-time (despite it truncated run). Five to seven seasons and it could easily have topped that list.
great vid
6/27/2022
I'm on my
11th watch through of
THE ROOKIE on HULU