Very First Class B+ Motorhome with AWD and EcoBoost!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2024
- 2021 Thor Gemini 23tw
Hey everyone welcome back to another video! Today I am super excited were taking a look at the very first class B+ motorhome that gives you All Wheel Drive and also have Eco Boost! This is the 2021 Thor Gemini 23tw which is an awesome class B+ RV. What I love about this motorhome is that technically its a class C but with it being on the ford transit chassis and with it not having that bunk over the cab the "Market" refers to it as a B+. Reguardless on what you call this, this is an amazing motorhome that gives you a bathroom and living area the size of a regular motorhome with the small compactness and drive-ability of a Class B.
If you have any questions about this motorhome please contact me directly
Matt Foxcroft
(301)906-0962
MattsRVReviews@gmail.com
www.MattsRVReviews.com
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Specs
Sleeps 3
Slides 1
Length 23 ft 6 in
Ext Width 8 ft 3 in
Ext Height 12 ft 2 in
Int Height 6 ft 8 in
Interior Color ON ORDER
Hitch Weight 5000 lbs
Gross Weight 11000 lbs
Fresh Water Capacity 31 gals
Grey Water Capacity 37 gals
Black Water Capacity 19 gals
Furnace BTU 19000 btu
Fuel Type Gasoline
Engine 3.5L V6 EcoBoost Turbo
Chassis Ford Transit
Horsepower 306 hp
Fuel Capacity 25 gals
Wheelbase 156 in
Available Beds RV Queen
Torque 400 ft-lb
Refrigerator Type Single Door Gas/Electric/LP
Convection Cooking Yes
Cooktop Burners 2
Shower Size 24" x 32"
Number of Awnings 1
LP Tank Capacity 68 lbs
Water Heater Type Tankless
AC BTU 13500 btu
Basement Storage 16.2 cu. ft.
TV Info LR 32" TV, BR 28" TV
Awning Info 14' Power w/Integrated LED Lighting
Gross Combined Weight 15000 lbs
Shower Type Standard
Electrical Service 30 amp - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Is it bad that I get all my RV advice from two strangers on TH-cam? I know it's crazy, but it feels so right.
😂 I agree with this 💯%
@Jim Bo Like your name, bruh.....
Use you common sense. Get an inspection even on a new RV before you take it off the lot!
I've seen so many of their reviews I feel like they are family!
I wish Thor would build a no-slide model for one or two person full-time living.
Fulltime? No slide? 2 people?
@@kathydonaldson1705 Slides breakdown, they leak, and they reduce your gross vehicle weight rating, not to mention that they're more expensive. If I want more room I'll just go outside. That's the whole point of rving, anyway.
I love Andrea being more and more involved & present in your videos, you guys are a solid team!
Wow.................this is a great option as I am a future solo driver with disabilities and really feel that not only can I go anywhere with the 4 wheel drive but I can handle set up by myself. Very awesome...............now if I can get one of these manufacturers to give me one it would be perfect!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep the B+ video’s coming Matt and Andrea! Looking to get into the market in 2 yrs and I’m relying on your unbiased reviews to find my dream RV. Thanks guys!
lose the dinning table and add 2 theater seats with the flip up trays to eat ...then perfect for the 2 people it's really designed for...great job guy's
I agree... adding the theater seats would give you a straight view for the TV
Yes!
Tony Smith AGREED!!!
Exactly!
The design they had last year with the 24 SX theater seating, compact dinnette and rear bedroom would still be in demand.
Coming down that roof ladder was one small step for man; one giant leap for Matt
I like that it does not have the above cab bunk. This allowed the front to have an open look with a limited amount of storage in the wrap around area. I love the big window. The bed was nice to include the storage under and around the bed. The one piece mattress is a plus. It needs an extension for the kitchen. I agree that the table should have been theater seats and a small table or flip up trays. The TV is a mess and I don't have an idea for correcting the mistake. This is a nice small unit for one person or a couple. Shout out to Matt for the mention of the upgraded air conditioner. I live in Georgia and we get the high heat just like Florida.
It's great to see Andrea back! I agree with another comment from Tony Smith. I would rather have the theater seating with a TV tray to eat on and see the TV in comfort. Love the cabinetry and like Andrea, I'd like to see it in more of the larger Thor motorhomes; heck any other motorhomes. And you're right Matt, much better than a class B. Look at the closet space, queen size bed, love the front upper window. Great job once again my favorite TH-cam RV reviewers.
I'd rather have a small sofa. Then it would have been good to give the TV a swing arm.
Really like this RV but I wish the bed was a more murphy bed like
Ltv wonder mb fits the bill.
Jeff the model 23TE has a Murphy bed with bath in rear. My favorite.
Good morning everyone! I must say, that I am thoroughly impressed by this RV. The size of it would be perfect for inner city boondocking or living in fulltime while still having to go into the office. This is my first like. The AWD is my second like. And the skylight is my 3rd like..imagine having that open on a clear, moonlit night...amazing!! I do not have any dislikes at this time.
Thank you Matt and Andrea!
C rated tires usually mean higher load. 3 things I love: I'm amazed at how big that slide out is, on a Class B (+), Love the instant on hotwater heater for that small of a unit, love the large dining area (for a Class B that's huge). 3 things I'm not happy about are: take out that top open space above the fridge and put a bigger fridge, not sure about those booster seats for the front seats, the bed is what it is, it's pretty necessary for something so small, but still not sure about it. Once you said it had a 15,000 BTU AC, I understood why it had a 4K generator. For it's size, it's about the most perfect B (+) I've ever seen.
This is the first class b motorhome that I like the looks of. I would rather have a couch in place of the dinette though. A couch with a couple fold out table/trays and then the tv viewing angle is is fixed
I love your "Tree Things You Like/Three Things You Dis-like". I'm dreaming of an RV in the future. This is a great realistic measure of what you "Can Do" with a Dream + a Budget. Thanks!
I love watching your TH-cam videos of the RVs and trailers. You go over most stuff about them and show a lot of features. Always Happy, thanks.
I have been obsessively watching your videos the past few days! I love the way you two seamlessly past the camera back and forth! Usually there is so much shaking so good hand offs you two!
Thanks so much Laura:)
This unit needs a sofa with a Murphy bed. Then it would be perfect for two people. Love the skylight above the cab.
totally agree on sofa with murphy bed.
They have a model with a murphy bed.
Thanks for doing a Bplus (and Bs)!!! These cabinets are my favorites I’ve seen so far. I like the new graphics on the intro.
I love the stairs the railing coming in to the RV THE WHOLE EXTENSION AREA AND THE EASY STEERING WHEELWHEEL
I've been watching your videos for a couple of months now and I can't thank you enough for all of the wonderful and HONEST information you provide. In a few months we are selling the house and moving to an RV full time! I have never even driven one before but you have helped me figure out exactly what I need/want for my new home
Hey Matt great review. My daughter just thinks your the cutest and loves your jumping in the air👍😃
Hi you two I love your channel and you go out of your way to show us everything.
3 things I like;
1) color inside
2) Easy to drive
3) awning except you have to hold button down.
3 thing's I don't like;
1) V6 not enough power
2) bathroom
3) slides
See you on the next video thank you.
I love this one!! Likes - the bathroom with the separate shower!! the awning with lights!! the slide-out!!! dislikes - plastic commode, color scheme, shower curtain.
Hey Matt m Andrea, love the show(s). Regarding this motorhome, if the bed was a Murphy bed with two recliners, this would be absofrinkenlootly amazing. It would give you an additional sitting area to relax and watch TV.
Love this over the Bs! Likes: small enough to park easily, fairly roomy, nice layout; Dislikes: plastic toilet and pedestal, no counter extender, small fridge, but overall, I really like this one and would consider it if I had the money! Very cute!
Matt and Andrea - I love your reviews overall! They are so helpful and I especially like the "things we dislike." It helps me to understand more about the little things (and sometimes big things) that I wouldn't catch in a short tour of the unit. Thor - I would love to see this kind of unit with twin beds. Thank you!
Agree LOVE natural light up front.
Love the motor home. The one thing I don’t like is anytime you HAVE to use the slide out. In this one it’s impossible to sleep without using the slide. Looking for something like this but wish there was a design where you didn’t have to use the slide.
PS. You two are great!
Check out leisure vans which are motorhomes made in Canada on either a Ford Transit chassis or Mercedes-Benz sprinter chassis some are all do not have slides and have a much better reputation for quality build and after sale customer service than anything that Thor industries puts out
Love the handle coming in!
I saw this RV for the first time while me and wifey were traveling on 301 to Annapolis Md. I wanted to get as close as I could to check it out. I finally caught up with him on the passenger side at a red light. We had just enough time to go back and forth with each other and he was very informative in that short period of time. My wife, being the observant person she is, immediately notice the side door and she said it look too narrow! But she saw Matt go through it on this video today, and she was like: Oh ok! I'll make it! (LOL). But this one's definitely on the list!
Super helpful that you showed what it looked like when the slide out was in. It would be even more helpful to see the ability to sleep with it in. Sometimes when you have to stop and nap in a parking lot you can't extend the slide out. So the sleep ability of the dining space and the space above the driving area is important to some.
I want this in a 21' with no slides and more solar, love the AWD though.
Agreed
I'd be ok with 22' but yea more solar, real panels not those flexible ones that lose half the output in a couple years.
I'm just curious why you wouldn't want slides? Are they a hassle or break down alot?
Exactly!
@@bigfisherman9846 They tend to leak and they do break.
Likes:
1) No bunk over the cab for exactly the reasons Matt said. I'm someone who wants that small motor home and have no need for the bunk, so I prefer the sleek look, less overhang, and hopefully lower price from not building a bunk to hold 500+ lbs.
2) Front window/windshield/skylight. I love the amount of light coming in.
3) AWD. I'd rather a 4x4 with more clearance and a low gear or something for low speeds during low traction dirt/mud/snow situations, but as a Subaru owner for over 20 years, I love my AWD.
Dislikes:
1) TV location. As Andrea said, maybe a swing arm would help, or maybe a sofa with removable table instead of the dinette, but as is, it doesn't work for me.
2) The bedroom. I'm a fan of this size motor home, so I get having to use space the best way possible, but something about it felt like an afterthought, like having to fold the bed to get to the storage in the back to get dressed or whatever. Not a fan.
3) No "retail price" at the BING, and the Fleetwood Fortis thing popping up at @13:47. I get the feeling this video may come down and get re-posted, so I'm saving my list this time! 😋
Bonus) It's not the 23TE. I know, that's not fair, but a Murphy Bed is perfect for me, and I really want to see that one.
Ditto. Not for me.
Brad Wilson That bed is similar to a Murphy but not as good.
I have a Itasca Cambria C with "airo cap" front over the cab. It drives down the road through wind nice, better MPG and makes a nice spot for the big screen and cabinets holding the entertainment system.
Love that it’s a Ford, AWD, and EcoBoost and back up camera.
Love watching your reviews, Matt and Andrea. You bring a smile to my face every time!
This is a 2 person coach at most so why put a big dinette in it??? How about recliners and a removable table....
YES!!!
Agreed. That would also fix the TV location issue, since it would be directly facing it.
It's like these coach manufacturers build one and never get the end users opinions on what's good or bad.... I've seen better designs from people buying box trucks and building it themselves.
AGREED!
Yep sometimes you just want to make a phone call to ?????? Manuf and ask them "why?"
Hello Matt & Andrea,
Likes- inside decor, all wheel drive, front cabin
Dislikes-plastic toilet, refrigerator, no bumper
I appreciate Andrea always give the cargo capacity!
I love all the storage. Love the two TV’s. Love the big dinette and table. Love the one piece roof. I hate Murphy beds, don’t change it, hate the plastic toilet but I love the overall size of the vehicle. Thanks for the review!
take out the sofa and replace with a couch or twin seats so that you are facing the TV and can recline and have a removable table if needed. like the color of the cabinets.
Sale price was in invisible ink. Lol. Love the videos.
I like the exterior “look”. I love the skylight!!!! If I truly wanted a Class B I don’t think I’d want to have to have the slide outs, which you really do for these.
This is a really nice layout. It’s a little smaller than what we want, we really like the Entegra odyssey 24B. Cassidy showed that to us in Ocala. But for a small motorhome it’s really laid out well. I like it. I miss having more storage outside, but once again small motor out.
Coachmen’s Crosstrek is also available in AWD now.
Turn signal cameras are absolute necessity on every model!
Love this guys energy. Customer service to the max
I personally like the hook ups on the outside up higher, bad knees! 👍🏻
Nice vehicle overall. Perfect for a single person or retired couple. I wonder if a nice couch would be more practical than the dinette? Maybe not. I really like it. Looking forward to the sale price.
I want a 12v fridge, 2 coach batteries, and enough solar to boondock comfortably. I live in a California. The best camping is off grid.
Winnebago ekko then like 400 an some solar an extra alternator under the hood go check out
What do you do for water???? Off the grid????
@@miketalley505 It's got a 31 gallon fresh water tank. That will see you through a weekend if you sponge bath. And many off griders carry extra drinking water. The serious ones carry extra refillable water tanks AND off grid grey water transport systems, so they call fill and empty their tanks without moving their rigs. But this rig is a nice weekend rig, so when output tanks get full, the weekend is usually done, just take it to the dump station.
And I want the 12v fridge because they are more reliable than gas/electric. 2 coach batteries and solar will give me more than enough power to enjoy any length trip. I usually only stop at one place for a few days, then I'm off to my next stop.
You can run a gas fridge for weeks on half a tank of propane. (While traveling run it on 120v from your inverter, it won't kill your battery if you forget to switch it to gas when you stop.) The compressor driven fridges OTOh will need steady sunlight or running a generator or your engine every few days.
After owning it for a week I like the ride, kitchen, and bath. Accessing the bed on left side requires a climb on the mattress. Manual leaves a bit to the imagination. Avowed the frigo is a storage compartment with 2 HDMI cables for hooking up whatever to the two TVs. Valves for dumping black and gray are a long reach. Lots of outside storage. So far no problems. We are enjoying it.
Thank you so much for this review. I've been waiting for it. You and Andrea deliver!
Likes: I like that the front seats turn, I like the cabinets. Dislikes: the dinette...I'd rather see more comfy seating since it really is a rig for 2 people, I would rather see a larger refrigerator, there is room for a larger one.
Just thinking of this. For all those toilets that are raised like in this one. Buy a squatty potty. That would ease up where you put your feet perfectly. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 🚽
Or a foot stool
I have suggested Matt merchandise "The 4 P's Squatty Potty" Perfect Prime Poo Positioning, Give that colon the easy Slide Out.
Honestly in love with this motorhome!
Can we get this with a bunk over the cab and with theatre seats in place of the dinette? At this price point, we'd be all over this if those features were available!! Love the overall size, the all wheel drive, the Ford drivability featured (like Sync) and the CCC is respectable! Tons of interior storage make this floorplan actually useable. Agree with Andrea that it needs a counter extension for the kitchen. As always, thanks for letting us be part of the RV Review Crew! You both do an awesome job and we appreciate you!
I like the look the drivers area and the comfort of the drive. Also the fact it has solar on the roof It still has the same flaw that all class B's have no storage . would have liked to have seen more of the small piece over the cab The better gas mileage and the fact that it is a Ford make cost of ownership less. There may be a way to augment the storage
Hello all.
Our likes:
* Ford chassis - always a good choice.
* Even though a folding bed isn’t a favorite, it’s not bad in this motor home. It’s nice to have an queen bed in this small of a unit.
* The bathroom is decent for the size of the vehicle.
Our dislikes:
* We do not like that there is no way to block off the cockpit windows when dining or sleeping. Peeping toms are NEVER a good thing. Blinds or a curtain to close off that area would be better.
* We don’t like the exposed wiring in one of the outside storage compartments (driver’s side). Those could be easily stretched and/or damaged and should be enclosed in some manner.
* With the minimal storage in the galley area, a cutting board sink cover would be much better. It’s one less kitchen item to pack and store.
I like how the outboard storage doors open.
Agree with Andrea with shower.
Really like this motorhome. We are in the market for a class C Super but always look at all the reviews.
Likes: 1, the floor layout, 2, the ford Eco boost and AWD, 3, the window over the cab.
Dislikes: 1, the area above the cab doesn't have much practicality, could have made some better storage area. 2, the plastic toilet seat, for the towing capacity a porcelain bowl could have been fine. 3, the propane hook up at the passenger side rear looks prime for tearing it off when backing into a spot. Overall it is a really nice looking RV.
You forgot to insert the MAP “sale” price in the video...
I do like the sleekness of the driving ability.
This is what I'm looking for. I love this
I like the B plus and I like a lot of the features like all wheel drive and so forth... but I am tired of manufactures making the dining table so massive.
I would rather have a couch set where they have the holes in the floor for a table. Could be 2' longer still too small.
we find this layout great for eating and reading. TV watching is not a problem. The other version the Compass has what you were looking for but after seeing the time to get the table set up it is a no go for us.
Wow..! Matt, and Andrea, to expensive for me, and I don't like 😞 folding bed I passed. Thanks 😊 🙏
Maria: This is what you're looking for. Cheap price too: www.mhsrv.com/2021-thor-motor-coach-23te-all-wheel-drive-awd-luxury-b-ecoboost-edition-4kw-onan-new-class-c-tx-i2720805/images
Love your reviews. Much more real. Not just a sales review. Thanks.
You folks are doing a great job.
Would like to know the price. I do love the cabinets.
I really like this RV. The price will probably be under $100k, which is great. Dry bath is awesome in an RV that size. The TV needs to come out and swivel. That could probably be done yourself. My biggest dislike is the horrific outside color. Why can’t you get like a solid color, like silver.
I watch video’s of rv’s 24/7. The really is the very best one I have seen!
I love the nibble awd chassis and the fact I can haul my quads with this unit. Great video
Dislike the bed being practically unusable with slide in. Like the engine and the $83 trash can double as a catch pan if/when the sink drain breaks.
Check out this optional floorplan. I like this MUCH better: www.mhsrv.com/2021-thor-motor-coach-23te-all-wheel-drive-awd-luxury-b-ecoboost-edition-4kw-onan-new-class-c-tx-i2720805/images
Jim Texas Wow. Look at that shower. Cut a door in the back and it could double as a toy hauler.
The 3 things I like about this motorhome:
1. the AWD
2. the dinette
3. the cabinetry
The 3 things I don't like about this motorhome:
1. the shower curtain
2. the legs on the bed stick out when it's up and the slide-out is in
3. no flip up counter top
See this floorplan: www.mhsrv.com/2021-thor-motor-coach-23te-all-wheel-drive-awd-luxury-b-ecoboost-edition-4kw-onan-new-class-c-tx-i2720805/images
Great options for day tripper/ weekend getaways and the occasional week long trip. Love you channel
Thanks for reviewing this B+! I’m now researching all the B+ units built on the Ford chassis (not just the LTV Wonder models). Perfect timing!!
I'm not sure if I like the bedroom. Like the color scheme. Like the over all size.
Still no Matt's RV Reviews Sweat Towel.. when will that merch drop?
Welcome back Andrea! We can once again watch a video without getting dizzy🙄 Likes, 1) AWD 2) Dry bath 3) 2 way fridge with gas stove, not all electric........Dislikes, 1) Rubber roof, No comfortable sofa or theater seating, just an uncomfortable dinette 3) No overhead bunk to help make up for the lack of storage in such a small motor home
I like the bathroom and shower and bed layout
I'm not a fan of slide outs but absolutely get this RV - fantastic alternative to a class B or cabover style class C.
Did they fix the black/grey drain location. Hard to see since it was behind a door
I have short arms, it requires sitting down to hit the valves. After doing it a number of times it is easier, but great to have a piece of carpet or soemthing to sit on while doing it.
Ditch that tiny fridge, with that size freezer all your going to is make ice cubes!
Get rid of the U shaped dinette, two theater seats are better option. Work on another dining table option.
Flip up counter top for extra space.
There you go
Ron
Oh my God I love this guy, I'm digging his energy
The tank size/specs/etc on the "bing" are way different. It indicates it is a diesel
They stopped making the diesel 2017
I would never buy an RV without a diesel.
I love the slide that comes out without a person having to hold the button and that it will go in with the wind sensor. I also like the seats that swivel, the modern cabinets, and the sun roof. I do not like that the bed has to have the slide out in order to use it- not always convenient to put slide out when you're traveling.
you still have to hold the button down when moving the slide. It is a safety feature.. Not the end of the world. Agree about the need to slide to use bed, pain in the rear. But so far we are surviging. I do like the lighting, frig with auto settjngs for. power and the Ford power plant.
Likes. 1 size of Rv
2. Slide out
3. Floor plan
Needs. Replacement options for dinette space like 2 theatre seats instead adding tray tables
Counter top extender option
Pantry for food storage
Love this guy he loves what he does and it shows!!!
Matt, I’m an old client of yours from your Leo’s days.. do you have any reviews on bunkhouse TTs?
We bought our keystone from you.
Howdy! Yes I remember you guys have the Outback :)
Yes we will be ramping up the Towables channel Sept 1
Matt's RV Reviews awesome! We are ready to upgrade so I’m researching a couple of rigs.. We’re considering fifth wheels too. Great job on the new channel. We might be paying you a visit soon.
Hey Matt and Andrea! I love watching you guys. Maybe one day I will be able to afford a motorhome for full time living and get my fat ass up on the roof as well! LOL! Take care and the best to you both! Peace!
Matt and Andrea -- You do the greatest reviews! And so frequent! We appreciate the hard work! I wonder if you could throw in some construction-quality details, such as the joinery used (stick & staples, screw & glue, dovetailed, etc)
Loved it! TV fine could change the bracket to swivel. Liked no bunk! Liked the quality of the front chairs!
Eco boost is going to be in the dealership broke down, more then it will be on the road.
Small engines turbocharged wear out too .
7.3 doesn’t have a track record . Rather take my chances on 7.3
Wish this was available on a Chevy chassis/ power train. Hard to beat a 6.0 LS for longevity!
I absolutely agree with you about the eco garbage engine. I had one in a little escape that needed a new turbo and engine mount and also a water pump at 98K miles. That was a 4 thousand dollar fix! I’d rather have a duramax diesel in something like this.
Matt why don't they have screen rooms that attach to the awning. It gives you another room. Please answer. Thanks
That would be cool idea but would the new awning design, not having the support legs to hold the end up, hold that much weight?
I think its an American thing? Pretty much every RV you see in Europe will have a proper awning giving at least double the living space. Maybe to do with climate?
@@jayritchie6596 I personally do not like the RV's that the "wind sensor." I would rather have a classic awning w/ screen, use tent stakes or leg weights to support if needes
@@chrisrowland2223 A lot now that I see use inflatable awnings you attach to the side of the van. You can tent peg them down. Seems to take about 20 mins to set up. They can be a problem in a heavy gale. I don't know how they stand up to hail.
@@jayritchie6596 I know my cousin just leaves the awning alone and has a Gazebo that they put up when needed. Gazebos are only about $80 for a 10 foot by 10 foot and around $40 for the screen at Wal-Mart
And I agree totally with Tony....get theater seating. Who wants to sit around relaxing in a dinette. And, as Andrea suggested put a swing arm on the tv.
Matt and Andrea. you guys are the best. Good price. Awesome 👏
Matt, Matt, Matt... I’m sure someone else has already brought this to your attention (but I’m not going to scroll down the comments and look for it). You forgot to add the sale price, AND you inserted the 2021 Fortis web ad page instead. Maybe you’re doing too much lately as your attention to detail and QC is lacking?
Of course it is lacking. C'mon now..
Compared to the videos General puts out, Matt and Andrea can do no wrong.
Paid 95K out the door with couple of options.
He did state the MSRP.
@@GregSpeck How are you liking the Gemini?
I will drive cross country to buy an RV from you guys cause you're so awesome.
Matt, you’re fun to watch! Love your reviews.
Right off the bat I love the the coler and desighn