I totally agree with Madison. He just got done telling her he is head over heels in love with her so why would he sleep with the other 2 girls? He should remember how he felt when Hannah did that to him.
@@richard5469 It still is in question though. Peter is a monogamous relationship type of guy. yes the bachelor isnt very monogamous, but in the end it very much is monogamous. Him even confessing that he's falling inlove with her is wrong if he plans on sleeping with the other women. The engagement is around the corner. So if he is falling in love with all these women like he said he is... well that means hes gonna still have strong love towards the other women and not just the woman he proposes to. He needs to not say "In love" Because "in love" is more powerful than just love. Love is everything. You can love your friends and family at the same time... But being IN love as a monogamous relationship kind of man... that should be reserved for one person.
No proof to that statement. And who is this chick anyway? Peter's ex from 8 years ago. Jealous girl. Sour grapes she can't have him so she's trying to ruin it for someone else.
@@purplehazee90 Ok, so none of the guys are being held accountable for this bullshit? If she has "broken up" these so-called relationships, and the guys are leaving, it only shows how weak those relationships were. Don't blame her. Stop hating. It's not her fault guys can't resist her.
I think it is very sad how people are treating Madi! This is what a relationship is about, she has every right to say what’s on her heart and if Peter doesn’t want it...he can send her home, so what is the big deal. She probably totally knew what she was getting into but at the same time if he really likes her and is saying he loves her and is going to pick her at the end then yes, it’s important to hear them out. Very relationship is different and she should not be crucified her values, the way she is coming about this is not Luke P in any way. She is just expressing...and if Peter doesn’t like it well he can drop her, and it seems like Madi leaves anyways...so what is the big deal guys! Lay off of her...she has done no wrong!
Kiran Bains really wouldn’t have changed anything...I think it’s a mute issue...it’s just our opinion on their life and I think no matter what Peter would of still kept her around, he digs Madi and really genuinely loves her so it’s her life and his, after this convo tho he has a decision to let her go or not and hey one less woman means it won’t be that hard if he gets rid of her just because of that...also if people want to say well then he could of picked Kelsey. Hell no if he wanted her...so could of picked her over Victoria F.
@@richard5469 Richard. Buddy. You're never, ever, ever going to bang Victoria. Even if you show up in every comment thread (which you do). Even if you white knight for the next ninety years. It's never going to happen for you. Victoria will go on to become a vitamin spokeswoman for a hot minute, then fade into obscurity and go back to wreaking havoc in marriages across VA Beach. You, meanwhile, will still be here, valiantly defending the next Victoria to come along. And it still won't happen. It will never happen. Unless you ARE Victoria, of course. In which case - more power to you, V.
LOL again fights about sex. Lets remember Sean Lowe. He didn't have sex in FS and married a girl who had very different beliefs, who respected his choices. It's ok to go on the show and have own standarts. Just because she signed up doesn't mean she's obligated to be cool with him banging everyone he wants. Neither of them here are wrong. They are just not compatible. That's all. Also producers are killing it with the drama lmao. Can't believe they put them together. For sure to exploit Madison's weakness. Only time I recall them doing this with final three was during Rachel's season...
@@kevinmaniebo4881 Probably. A lot of men lead with sexual relationship in heir choices. But you should focus on overall chemistry. Sean did that and is happy. There have been some others too even if it didn't work for them in long run.
Honestly, he shouldn't sleep with people before making a decision. He keeps telling every girl that he's in love with them, works them up to think they are his ultimate choice....and then he sleeps with someone else. It's just toxic. I'm not someone who is about saving yourself for marriage, but Madi has a point. Sex is sacred and if he tells her that he loves her and sleeps with someone else...yeah, he's not worth it.
Huh? You're lost. He hasn't told anyone he's "in love" with them. Pay attention. And plus, fantasy suits are part of the show. If anyone isn't ready for that possibility, then don't sign up to go on the show.
I just don’t understand why Madison waited THIS long to tell Peter. She should have told him much sooner, before home town dates, in my opinion. Especially because he’s the windmill boy.
It wasnt that why people were mad. Luke p also tried to gaslight hannah. It has nothing to do with his values. And also when she told him to leave and he refused. Hes crazy
People make me so frustrated because they keep on comparing Madison to Luke however there was so many things that Luke did before that moment when he spoke to Hannah about sex. That was just the final straw. No one can deny that. Madi has been completely drama free and now she is just making it known to Peter and its ultimately his decision.
It's always better to be upfront about your standards/values before feelings get involved so that both people get into a situation with their eyes wide open..
He’s obviously keeping Victoria for fantasy suites because he wants to have sex, then she’ll go home. Then it’ll be Hannah and Maddie and he’ll plan on telling Hannah goodbye but then he’ll find out Maddie left the show. Tbh i don’t think him and Maddie are very compatible, she’s super religious and his beliefs don’t really match up with hers.
She isn’t shaming him she is just telling him that she can’t continue if he proceeds to have intimacy with someone else. If he wants to throw away a relationship with an amazing girl just to have a night with Victoria then he’s not here to be in a relationship, he’s here for lust.
Miki Luke P basically told Hannah B that she isn’t a good Christian if she sleeps with guys. And honestly at first I didn’t think much of him asking her to not be with the other men until he started going back on what he was saying and contradicting himself (ex saying he would leave and then taking it back saying he might be able to work it out once she got mad). He came off as odd to me and I really don’t see that from the teaser with Madison. We will just have to see how it plays out I guess. Main difference so far is that Luke was judgy, Madison is protecting herself it seems.
Tessa Fogle honestly, my prediction is that Madison WILL judge peter for sleeping with the other girls because the sneak clip just makes it look that way. And if she does judge him then she’s DEFINITELY not one of my favorites anymore. Like I cannot even.
Some ppl defending him and blamming madison like they probably the same ppl who trash talk his decision this entire season and trash talk every other bachelor/bachelorette and contestants whose "whoring" themselves
How can u fall in love with 3 women at the same tiime.. Clearly its just attraction and intimacy.. Madison has the right to be happy.. Peter is not for her.. Waste of time
I understand where Madison is coming from, but this is unfair to put Peter in a corner like that. I mean it’s pretty similar to how Luke said he had a problem with Hannah B having sex with the other guys and shaming her. I mean you really expect someone who had sex 4 times in a windmill NOT to have sex in the fantasy suites???
I don’t think so she isn’t shaming him just letting him know we’re she stands but with Luke p he was slut shaming her (Hannah B) she didn’t give him an ultimatum she told him were she stand that’s different. And she is not telling him keep me around and don’t sleep she is saying if you don’t want to than I’ll leave that’s it.
Very different from Luke P. Madison has her deal breakers. She shared them. It's his choice whether he respects it or not. If not, she's not shaming him, just leaving. And I'm sorry, even Nick Viall stayed loyal to his pick in FS and he's bit of a dog. It's unbelievable how leads use this ''that's what the show is'' as an excuse. Very selfish.
To those of you who can't comprehend why a religious girl like Madison would even come on this show.. WHY can't you people understand that you don't have to get intimate in the Fantasy Suites????? YES THIS is the bachelor and there is that inevitable stage but seriously?? Who says you have to do IT in there?? Also, i don't see how Madison is giving him an ultimatum. She is giving him a choice (as according to Reality Steve, Madison lets Peter know abt her stance before the commencement of the FSs). She knows what she wants and values in a relationship so if Peter goes against that, it only shoes that he doesn't love her (despite him proclaiming his love for her ALREADY) that much after all and that their values are not aligned, and she is thus ENTITLED to freaking leave because every girl deserves to find someone who puts her interests and values first.
BLWT I understand what you’re saying but what about a mans interest and values? like I understand a woman deserves the world and whatnot but like shouldn’t there be a balance between the relationship?
Jordan Carothers it’s something she values a lot in her life, principles you live by throughout your entire life really sticks with you. if their principles don’t align then they just can’t make it together
BLWT omg i 100% agree with you..idk how he can say he’s “falling in love with her” while sleeping with other women it doesn’t make sense???? and how do you fall in love, at least romantically, with so many people??
arizona tea I just don’t think it could possibly end with her just getting up and walking away lol that would be too realistic we’re watching the bachelor and i’m sure madison will still choose to stay like the previews always be 🧢 for the most part
She is putting him in an ultimatum, she is telling him you have no choice if you sleep with them. It’s me or you sleep with the other women and get one of them. She knew peter is a sexual man and yet she puts him in a position where has to choose...umm it’s not her call. She shouldn’t have gone on the show if she is so religious and putting Peter in that position. Madison is a religious controlling woman, she should marry Luke P they have the same values.
*I could’ve swore peter was the bachelor here. This is HIS journey. If Madison doesn’t want to sleep with him, cool. But don’t TELL him that you will leave if he sleeps w the other women that’s insane and incredibly selfish!*
I agree with Maddi 100% but this does remind me of Luke P's ultimatum. Maddi has more taste and her morals are pure though and not about controling the person. Luke P never left and forced Hannah to keep him, Maddi takes a step back and let's Peter decide.
Not the same thing. First off, Luke had been a nightmare all season (and was acting INSANE later when he refused to leave even though Hannah asked him to leave over and over) whereas this was Madison's first problematic moment. Even leaving that aside, Luke wasn't just expressing that he'd feel hurt if Hannah had sex with the other men, he kept referring to it as a "mistake" and a "slip-up" like there was something inherently wrong with her choosing to have sex, whereas Madison said it would be hard to deal with but it was ultimately his choice. Plus Luke implied that she wasn't really a good Christian if she did that, which was not his call to make, and that he would think less of her as a person. Madison didn't do that. I still think she did herself and Peter a disservice by waiting this long, but it's not as bad as how Luke went about it.
At this point it is only Hannah Ann who is genuine. You people claim she is a child but she is the same age as Madi. She just looks young but that doesn’t mean she isn’t in love with Peter. Madison claim she is there for the right reasons but she should have known by now what happened between Luke P and Hannah B about sex and inform Peter earlier. She knew she will use this as a getaway to leave the show with more followers. As for Victoria don’t even know why she is still there.
Esthelle Fosua 100% agree! Why did Madison go on a show that promotes love, dating, kissing and sex. If she doesn’t want to have sex with him that’s fine, but to tell him who to be and they are not even married, this would make me worry for peter. Peter believes in sex before marriage and he is trying to find a compatible wife who he can share all forms of love with. Madison shouldn’t have gone on a show cause she is very religious and lives and breathes the bible.
I agree!! Hannah Ann is the best choice for Peter at this point. Victoria is toxic af and Madison’s stronger beliefs just don’t match up with peters. I wish he’d pick her but I know it’ll probably be Madison
Complete double standard that Madison can have this conviction and it be okay yet Luke was attacked for it. Hannah was more the problem in her prideful reaction. Can’t wait to see how this plays out with viewers.
No, Luke was an asshole. Madison is being upfront and honest in a respectful way. She has every right to ask her partner not to sleep with other women the week before they might get engaged. Luke P brought it up angrily *afterwards* which is too late. Madison is doing the right thing in bringing it up beforehand.
Luke P said he will remove himself if Hannah have slept with the other guys but when Hannah sent him home - HE DIDN'T. Madi on the otherhand said "it will be hard for her to continue to move forward" if Peter have been intimate with the other girls. So basically, it is HER CHOICE if she leaves the show.
Okay people are thinking Madison is unreasonable but I would be pretty hurt if a guy told me he’s “in love with me” than slept with two other women lol
Well in real life yeah but that's how this show works. I see where she's coming from, and so would I, but at the same time him meeting other girls' families and telling them he was falling in love with them wasn't a dealbreaker, but only the sex was because to her that's sacred. And to Peter that's just another important aspect of a relationship that he wants to explore and make sure he's sexually compatible with them. Neither of them are right or wrong, just not on the same page
@@LivAlexa32 Yeah for sure. And I get where she's coming from because even thoughI'm not saving myself and I wouldn't get engaged to a guy without exploring our sexual connection first, I definitely couldn't get past him sleeping with two other women soon before getting engaged. Just a tough situation all around
Ruby Red definitely, I’m the same, didn’t save myself for marriage but I also value an exclusive relationship. Honestly who do people go on the bachelor lol
@@LivAlexa32 Honestly I really don't know. That's part of why I love (and also hate) the show because it's just so INSANE to me that they're in this situation competing with each other for a "mate." It's like watching national geographic but with people. And somehow they're ALWAYS shocked when they don't get a rose even though they know there's so many of them. So many people go on the show and can't handle the jealousy at ALL, not to mention the stress of the situation and cameras. I think most people who've been on this show should get therapy to recover, not kidding at all
Madison should have told him sooner instead of 1. Setting these demands after the fact he's slept with girls (she's not the first date) and 2. She made it to hometowns. It's manipulative to hold back that info, to the WINDMILL guy, until you have enough control over him. It's fine for you to have your beliefs and she absolutely should stay firm to them but for her own self.
What I don’t understand is that Madison and Luke P basically said the same thing, but only Luke P got backlash. Why didn’t anyone say anything about Madison’s choice? If it wasn’t such a big deal, then why criticize Luke P? (I am not saying they’re right/wrong just confused about this situation)
Because first off, Luke had been a nightmare all season (and was acting INSANE later when he refused to leave even though Hannah asked him to leave over and over) whereas this was Madison's first problematic moment. Even leaving that aside, Luke wasn't just expressing that he'd feel hurt if Hannah had sex with the other men, he kept referring to it as a "mistake" and a "slip-up" like there was something inherently wrong with her choosing to have sex, whereas Madison said it would be hard to deal with but it was ultimately his choice. Plus Luke implied that she wasn't really a good Christian if she did that, which was not his call to make, and that he would think less of her as a person. Madison didn't do that. I still think she did herself and Peter a disservice by waiting this long, but it's not as bad as how Luke went about it.
Even setting aside the fact that Luke P acted nuts through a lot of the season vs Madison having her only problematic moment be now, the conversations about the fantasy suite were different. Madison was just expressing that she'd feel upset (I still think she should have brought it up earlier though) and Luke kept calling it a "mistake" instead of treating it like a choice, and implied that she wasn't really a if she slept with them when that's not his call to make. It's not the same thing at all
ok TWO theories... 1. the obvious, peter sleeps with victoria and hannah ann and madison finds out. then, before the final two victoria gets eliminated. both hannah ann and madison meet peter’s family. so, peter decides to propose to madison. he sends hannah ann home or he doesn’t (idk if what chris says is before the breakup or proposal) and then chris comes up and says she self eliminates and he’s conflicted bc he loves her. he goes to his parents for advice that’s where barb tells him to fight for her and bring her home. 2. this one is quite different. fantasy suites happen and victoria and hannah ann sleep with peter. obviously madison doesn’t. but in this theory madison self eliminates before the final two. peter then is upset but decides on hannah ann but then chris says madison is back and then he goes to his parents and they tell him to fight for madison. either way personally i’m team madison and if peter truly loves her sex shouldn’t b a big deal to him but it is not right on madison to drop the bomb that late. honestly hannah ann isn’t that bad she has grown on me tbh. both girls are great victoria is a total trainwreck. who knows maybe hannah b comes back lol.
OKAY WHOA. I could be totally off or have missed something but the only date that involved fighting this season was the pillow fight date right? and the telenovella got a little crazy right? Well in the first preview we got, there's a SUPER fast clip of Madison going to slap someone. The top shes wearing does not look like the one from the telenovella nor is she wearing the headband she wore in the scene. Annnnd Madison did not go on the pillow fight date. The background of the clip is very well lit and she looks decently angry in it. Did I totally miss something or is this unseen footage so far? Is this a fake fight that got cut or is it from this upcoming few episodes? I don't have enough time to do as much research as I should before posting this, but I genuinely do not remember another time that this clip could've been! From: "The Bachelor 2020 Full Season Sneak Peek - The Bachelor" 1:33, right after/as Sydney says "like a slap in the face".
Ahww man we already predicted that it will be like that. I honestly hoped that Peter would choose Madison but now saying that she won't be with him if he slept with other women? I don't know what she expected of a bachelor because she knew what she was going to get herself into. I hope he will choose Kelsey. Oh yeah where is Kelsey btw?
@ShihYin Lin yes I'm not saying that the girls are wrong, but if they are going to complain than they shouldn't bother to come on the show in the first place because as I said, they knew what they were going to get themselves into.
The difference between Luke P and Madison is that Luke P legit called out Hannah for sleeping with all the other guys, almost slut shaming her and judging her belief in god. Madison said it in a respectful way and told him in advance before the fantasy suites dates that she wouldn't be able to move forward if he did sleep with the other girls. She will probably use better words than what Luke P did lol!
bip2019 quote from HannahG: Are you using the boom-boom room? In a nutshell, FantasySuite = the boom-boom Room. After fantasy suites, he will be up to 5 girls (if we include HB from 2019). It takes two to tango. Yes, HB is still in the mix.
Jasmine Gutierrez what has Hannah really done tho? I feel like people come at her for no certain reasons besides that she looks young lol. She seems super sweet to me and I think her and peter are the better match.
@@Amber-ln5yk the problem with Hannah is that she's inexperienced when it comes to serious relationships. For her I think she has a long way to go to figure out marriage means to her.
Guys, I have a theory: what if Madison just uses abstinence as a cop out? Madison does not like Peter enough, and she has also not given marriage a serious thought. If she did love him and did think about the future, she would have made her stand on her abstinence early on. If you really like someone, and you see a future, you will bring up the deal breaker and get it out of the way the sooner the better. Why kiss a frog for weeks and then say: "Oh btw I don't like frog, so eww, we are over"? Not that I say Peter is a frog. Maybe it is just me, but I think she does not have the "date to mate" mindset. Back to the theory, she understands that they do not have a future, because of their religious stand, her athletic and homely life, and his "worldly" job. She sorta likes him, but not enough to carry his child. So she keeps her save it for marriage card for a rainy top 3 day. That is as far as you can get if you are not honest about the sexy thing. What do you guys think? I don't think she does it solely for the Bachelorette title, although if offered, she would probably say yes. I am saying that all the people on this show comes in with an agenda, and even the best of hearts have some purposes other than finding love. Madison is portrayed as drama free, but I wonder if we are buying the producers' narrative too willingly?
So Madison should’ve made this clear all along. She waited until almost the end of the journey to tell him that she won’t have sex until marriage and that if he sleeps with any of the other women she will leave. She came onto the bachelor she knew what she was getting her self into. Especially with Peter.. he’s a super sexual guy. He’s obviously going to have sex. Some of these people need to stop putting themselves in these situations if they can’t handle what it entails. They act so surprised and crazy at the end when it all could’ve been avoided by simply not being on the show in the first place lol.
For those comparing Madison to Luke P... there is no comparison. Luke P acted insanely hypocritical in his faith, showcasing drama, pride, jealousy, and judgement, all of which are against Christian values. Madison has not done any of those things the entire season. It was never wrong of Luke P to say he wouldn’t feel comfortable marrying someone after they just had slept with someone else, it was the judgement and shame he placed on Hannah B. Have a feeling no matter what Madison does, she will not go about this is a place of judgement, but a place of standards. She revealed to Peter before fantasy suites where she stands, and there is nothing wrong if they have disagreeing values on the subject. This may just be their way of realizing they aren’t right for each other, and it is wrong for Victoria to judge Madison for wanting to uphold her standards. Who knows? Maybe Peter will end up realizing he might’ve made a mistake not waiting for the girl he could spend forever with?
This is true. I do think Madison did Peter and herself a disservice by waiting this long to bring it up, especially knowing how important sex is to Peter, but that's forgivable and definitely not the same as what Luke did. And you're right, it's just a difference in values. I hate how people are trying to make it seem like he's an asshole just because their values don't match up. It's not right and wrong, it's just that they're not compatible in that regard and that's okay
@tori wilson only that one phrase the same the rest already been said to be different but okay, yall just want to witch hunt her. And not weird thing to ask him not to have sex and the choice still him to make, so what if she leave, he still got 2 other girls. Also a reminder how ppl disgusted at how hannah brown jumped on top of every guy, nick viall groping and smooching almost every girls, yet now ppl giving peter all the green light just cos one girl asking him not to have sex lol funny
@tori wilson Wrong. Even setting aside the fact that Luke P acted nuts through a lot of the season vs Madison having her only problematic moment be now, the conversations about the fantasy suite were different. Madison was just expressing that she'd feel upset (I still think she should have brought it up earlier though) and Luke kept calling it a "mistake" instead of treating it like a choice, and implied that she wasn't really a if she slept with them when that's not his call to make. It's not the same thing at all
I am still team Madison😍 not only is she worth a lot and sticks to her believes but she has a good heart and is in it for the right reasons😍 Victoria is the one to talk when you can clearly tell she has issues and seems to be the kind of person to have toxic relationships. Because she doesn’t even know how to take responsibility for anything and instead of being mature and talking she’s pathetic and gets defensive!
My guess is that Madison is gonna get super mad at Peter after he tells her the truth and then she’s gonna storm off and then she will want to go home to save herself from Peter.
While we haven't seen next week's episode, I have a feeling it will be different than Luke. Luke was behaving in an un-Godly fashion the entire production, not just when he talked about sex. He constantly lied and manipulated situations, and he showed all kinds of anger and control issues. He may be a Christian, but these anger moments were not born out of zeal for the Lord. All of this points to an abusive individual--something that Madison (so far) is not. Her actions and behavior show a heart that serves God. The one good thing Luke did was state his position on sex in marriage. However, when he found out that Hannah doesn't feel as strongly, then he should have left, which is what it appears Madison will do. After he didn't get the answer he wanted, he kept changing his story and acted like he would still be willing to marry Hannah, when he had just told her that he wouldn't--that is manipulative behavior and that is the problem that most people have with Luke P. It is his behavior we couldn't stand; NOT his beliefs.
Even setting aside the fact that Luke P acted nuts through a lot of the season vs Madison having her only problematic moment be now, the conversations about the fantasy suite were different. Madison was just expressing that she'd feel upset (I still think she should have brought it up earlier though) and Luke kept calling it a "mistake" instead of treating it like a choice, and implied that she wasn't really a if she slept with them when that's not his call to make. It's not the same thing at all
Victoria is a really bad person - she has broken up relationships and allegedly slept with her friends’ husbands. Not to mention her and Peter’s relationship is super toxic...they can’t go one conversation without fighting. Why is she still there? What does Peter see there? If it’s for the fantasy suites like some people have theorized, I’m honestly so disgusted. But maybe it was process of elimination, and he knew Kelsey wasn’t the one and he didn’t want to break her heart more than necessary because he knew where she was and he wasn’t close to there? Idk that’s what I’m hoping
Soo while Maddie and Peter are talking at the table, she gives him the ultimatum and thats when he confesses to her that he slept with someone (Victoria probably) 6 days ago. Maddie walks off but comes back and their relationship is on thin ice. On the next fantasy sweet Peter sleeps with Hanna and Maddie finds out. She decides to quit and the producers have to let Peter know. IDK what do y'all think?
How is Madison any different than Luke P? It’s one thing to remain abstinent until marriage, it’s another to expect your partner to do the same and dump then if they haven’t.
There's nothing wrong with wanting your partner to be abstinent or "save" themselves for you as long as you apply the same standards to yourself. And I say this as someone who would never get married without exploring our sexual connection first because being sexually compatible is important to me. But anyway, even setting aside the fact that Luke P acted nuts through a lot of the season vs Madison having her only problematic moment be now, the conversations about the fantasy suite were different. Madison was just expressing that she'd feel upset (I still think she should have brought it up earlier though) and Luke kept calling it a "mistake" instead of treating it like a choice, and implied that she wasn't really a if she slept with them when that's not his call to make. It's not the same thing at all
Madison should have come into this show well aware that peter had sex four times in a windmill , and staying a virgin until marriage was for her no peter .but still she’s the only nice person left and I will support her . Victoria f is too worse of a match for peter and Hanna Ann is a child .
I wish Madison brought up her concern as about sex to him earlier so he knew going into things that’s is he did sleep with a woman, how she would react. But she did it too late and he probably already slept with one of them and it was too late to undo that. He should be able to have that information and know what to do with it
Madison would be the best girl for him to choose now. But I’m afraid he will be scared because, of her religion. She seems like a sweet & genuine girl. Too bad. Bet he will pick Hannah Ann.
We know that girl that confronts peter with how many girls u sleeping with she most likely will leave because she a devoted catholic which i can see and her following
I can see where Madison is coming from. First just because its fantasy suites doesnt mean you have to sleep with anyone. Madison is basically saying to him that if you care about me and im the one your gonna pick dont sleep with these other girls that is all. So, yes if a guy told me he was falling head over heels for me and sleeps with other girls i would leave also. Because that proves you really dont give a damn about the person. That is what Madison is really saying to all that dont comprehend her meaning. Besides you cant love 3 people at the same time anyways... where is it written that you have to sleep with all these people that you take into fantasy suites anyways. If you really cared and knew who you were picking you wouldnt be sleeping with anybody else but that one person.
No one is making fun of her for that that I've seen. If people have a problem with what went down, it's because they think she did herself and Peter a disservice coming on this show that she knew would conflict with her values and not letting Peter know this would be a dealbreaker a lot sooner, considering sexual compatibility is obviously important to Peter. Neither of them are right OR wrong, they can both do whatever they want, they're just not compatible. I can definitely see where both of them are coming from
@@jl9637 Well, I'd correct you a bit and say the Bachelor isn't the best place as the kind of Christian that Madison is, but not necessarily bad for any Christian. Most of the contestants are Christian, it's not very diverse in that respect, they just don't interpret their faith the same way that she does. But other than that, I agree, she should stick to her values if it's what makes her happy and find someone who will be compatible with her values in a more practical way, like through her church community
Ruby Red yes I agree with you, also if peter is not willing to listen to what she says, I believe she deserves someone who can be on the same page as her.
Peter is such a disgusting man it bothers me soo much when they go in this show and say their looking for love when they sleep with 3 girls or even just 1 and then they notice oh no she’s not the one ..... like are you serious what kind of show is this . This proves how men are animals he slept with either both of them and then says oh I want Madison ? Hello no Madison leave get you a godly man who loves you and will only be for you !!!
Peter and Victoria should end up together. Their all about sex and it's obvious their relationship is just that "physical attraction"! In marriage love is MORE than just sex. It's obvious the person who is not in this for the right reasons is PETER himself. He shows over and over again that all he cares about is just the physical side to a relationship. That's why he feels the need to make out with EVERY single girl there and we ALL know and even his close friend Tyler knows that he is only keeping Victoria because he wants to have sex with her. That's all he wants from her and that's why he lets her go after this because he FINALLY got what he wanted...sex. Madison you are too good for this. Let peter go and wait for someone who will respect, cherish, and adore you. Someone who will not have other women on the side. Someone who will wait for you because you are worth the wait. RUN GIRL RUN. Peter keeping Victoria around shows more about his character and you know it. You don't want a guy in your life who only cares about one thing only. You are not a piece of meat. You are worth respect and worth the wait. There are guys out there who know what real love is and will wait for you. I know because my husband was one of those guys. They do exist. Peter doesn't deserve you. Period.
Disgusting from the person that slept with her friend's husband. Real rich. A week or two ago he was saying he was falling in love with her, but he has to sleep with the other women just to make sure it is real? If you love someone you listen to their feelings and if you know it is her you don't need the other women. Colton got it right!
She's pulling a Luke P move...have these people not seen the show ??? If you want a religious person just go to the church ...why come on the bachelor....so stupid...i'm no longer on Madison's side.
Salhi Meriem I don’t think so she isn’t shaming him just letting him know we’re she stands but with Luke p he was slut shaming her (Hannah B) she didn’t give him an ultimatum she told him were she stand that’s different. And she is not telling him keep me around and don’t sleep she is saying if you don’t want to than I’ll leave that’s it.
@@mercurialpierrot7073 her decision should have been to not come on a show where the concept is being intimate with multiple people at once if she's sooo strict about her religion.
I find it ridiculous that some people (properly her fake accounts?) tried to defend that it wasn't her fault to sleep with married man. Sorry, but a woman with dignity would not sleep with married man no matter how "weak" their marriages are. Sex comes after flirting, y'all. If she didn't give any hint of flirt, none of those married man would try to move forward with her. It's just pure disgusting to flirt (and then have sex) with married man and tear apart a family.
Well it's true that she has no excuse, and most people are definitely disgusted over her actions. But maybe I'm reading too much into how you wrote it, but it seems like you're putting it ALL on Victoria too. Not because I think she deserves to be off the hook, but because the husbands don't either. You don't know who came on to who first or who flirted first. Don't get me wrong, I think she's disgusting, but the husbands are equally at fault. They're all adults and they all made the conscious choice to betray someone: Victoria to her friends, and the husbands to their wives
How is that disgusting? You're disgusting for saying that. She has the right to give an ultimatum like that. Plus she's more pure and mature that you are Victoria. 😠 Why is she there! Ughhhhh! 🤦And honestly if he really wants to be with Madison at the end, he shouldn't sleep with the other girls. If Peter wants to sleep with the other girls he should send her home earlier or not make her top 2
the producers have royally screwed this season. I went soapy drama but not too much that it overpowers the romance. You've seemed to lose sight of that and it's (to quote victoria) "disgusting." It's not enjoyable to watch and housing them together is downright cruel. Shame on the team.
I really can't comprehend why people are sticking up for a woman who has no respect for herself because she is willing to sleep with married men and does not care about breaking up relationships. How in the world are people sticking up for this chick and not for Madison who does not have a shady past of sleeping around with men especially married men. One has self control, self respect, and standards and the other doesn't have any of those things. C'mon people!!!! Of course Victoria will talk smack about Madison! Madison is everything Victoria is NOT.
@@rubyred3580 I'm just pointing out the few who are... If you read through the comments you can tell there are people in this world that are actually on her side. The only reason why they are is because "she's hot" lol. It's sad there are people in this world who are too blinded by looks that they don't care about character. I just don't want people to think what Peter and Victoria have is (normal and real) because what they have is (very unhealthy)! That's an awful example to young people who watch this and think it's okay to be treated the way Victoria treats Peter. Peter staying with Victoria even when she's clearly a gaslighting person is not okay either. Looks shouldn't be more important than character. What Peter will spend his life with will be her character. Trust me her looks will fade but character doesn't tarnish with time.
@@islandflava7395 Oh I completely agree with you. I was mistaken about what I thought you meant; I just interpreted your comment as implying that MOST people are. I stand corrected. For the few that are, yes, it's crazy. And when they say shit like "nobody's perfect!" yeah everyone has flaws but most people's flaws don't include repeatedly fucking their friends' husbands and driving drunk lol. And yeah their relationship is super unhealthy. I want to shake Peter and I feel annoyed at him but at the same time it's so easy to judge from the outside... I just hope he learns from this experience because I think he's a sweet guy who just has some maturing and self-actualization to do
Fantasy suits are not for sex, but the fact that peter could potentially have sex with one of the two women (Hannah or Victoria) and then possibly send one of them home right after is not fair. How do you make love with someone then send them packing? Sex has 100% lost its meaning. If he loves madi, he won’t sleep with the other girls. But if he says he loves all 3 of them, well that’s just messed up.
Because for some people sexual compatibility is important and they want to make sure they're compatible before getting married? There's nothing wrong with that. There's also nothing wrong with Madison not being okay with that. Neither of them are wrong, they're just not on the same page
Even setting aside the fact that Luke P acted nuts through a lot of the season vs Madison having her only problematic moment be now, the conversations about the fantasy suite were different. Madison was just expressing that she'd feel upset (I still think she should have brought it up earlier though) and Luke kept calling it a "mistake" instead of treating it like a choice, and implied that she wasn't really a if she slept with them when that's not his call to make. It's not the same thing at all
This is ridiculous! Madison calls herself religious and is saving herself for marriage, yet she came to a show like The Bachelor! What a joke! Please go on Christianmingle or something and look for someone with similar values. 🤦🏻♀️
Are you kidding me all three woman under the same roof what a joke I don’t care and Madison saying she can’t continue the relationship if he sleeps with the other two woman I’m sorry Madison that’s your decision but it doesn’t need to be told in front of peter I think peter needs to send her home
Peter is just a honey SOB. I would dump him instantly, not worth my time. This show is immoral per my culture. You do not try sex like shoes. This show should be eliminated. Bad example for our children
"This show is immoral per MY culture" self centered much? lol good thing your judgemental culture doesn't get to set standards for everyone :) sorry you don't get to censor whatever you want. Don't watch it if you don't like it
After seeing last nights episode i feel that Madison s choice to stay a virgin .. inst really her choice .. is mainly her parents choice ..i didn't think it was necessary for Madison's mum to reminder her to tell Peter her decision to remain a virgin .. Its Madison s right to decide when or how or if she s going to let Peter know and its her right to change that decision if she wants to actually have sex with him .. i think she s being brainwashed .. i m not denying its her decision but she s being very influenced by her family . Also , for Madison , sex might not be an issue , however most people are sexually liberated and sexual chemistry is important and plays a factor in someones decision so its a little unfair for her to get upset over him having sex with Victoria and Madison , im not saying its how its supposed to be , im just saying he has the right if he wants to, because they are not a couple yet , they are not in that phase where they are exclusive or he s made up his mind who he s gonna pick at the end
@@evangelinenosike5528 i must have missed that because from what i saw she said " as long as u maintain ur values and standards , ur good " , and she started by saying " this is a family of values " , to me thats implementing ur own wishes upon ur daughter
It would only be a double standard if they had behaved the same way. You're being stupid, feminism is belief in EQUALITY for men and women, not special privelages for women
What the hell does Madison think this whole thing is about. Why did she even sign up? (To be on TV and promote herself, I believe) Has she not seen the show! Did she think there wasn't going to be fantasy suits this season? Give me a break. I hope he cuts her loose. Way too prissy and inexperienced for an engagement.
Truly religious people won't even watch show like The Bachelor. It's too sinful in their eyes. And saying you're religious and sing up for a show like this is very hypocritical and sinful. Also Madi judging Peter for sleeping with other girls is sin too. If she really is as religious as she says, she will forgive him. Religious people are modest people they don't show off with their faith like Madi and Luke P.
I totally agree with Madison. He just got done telling her he is head over heels in love with her so why would he sleep with the other 2 girls? He should remember how he felt when Hannah did that to him.
Mickie Pickthall because he’s a pilot! 😂
He said, "I'm falling head over heels." He did not say he was "in love." Big difference.
@@richard5469 He didnt tell her directly that he was inlove with her, but during confessionals he did
@@Buggirl1998 Yep, he didn't say it to her.
@@richard5469 It still is in question though. Peter is a monogamous relationship type of guy. yes the bachelor isnt very monogamous, but in the end it very much is monogamous. Him even confessing that he's falling inlove with her is wrong if he plans on sleeping with the other women. The engagement is around the corner. So if he is falling in love with all these women like he said he is... well that means hes gonna still have strong love towards the other women and not just the woman he proposes to. He needs to not say "In love" Because "in love" is more powerful than just love. Love is everything. You can love your friends and family at the same time... But being IN love as a monogamous relationship kind of man... that should be reserved for one person.
Victoria saying anyone is disgusting is a joke, like girl you break your friends marriages.
No proof to that statement. And who is this chick anyway? Peter's ex from 8 years ago. Jealous girl. Sour grapes she can't have him so she's trying to ruin it for someone else.
@@richard5469 you can google it and plenty of her former friends have came forward
@@purplehazee90 Ok, so none of the guys are being held accountable for this bullshit? If she has "broken up" these so-called relationships, and the guys are leaving, it only shows how weak those relationships were. Don't blame her. Stop hating. It's not her fault guys can't resist her.
@@richard5469 exactly. It's not her fault. She isn't the one who cheated and broke up the relationships.
@tori wilson How are you going to defend the MARRIED men?
I think it is very sad how people are treating Madi! This is what a relationship is about, she has every right to say what’s on her heart and if Peter doesn’t want it...he can send her home, so what is the big deal. She probably totally knew what she was getting into but at the same time if he really likes her and is saying he loves her and is going to pick her at the end then yes, it’s important to hear them out. Very relationship is different and she should not be crucified her values, the way she is coming about this is not Luke P in any way. She is just expressing...and if Peter doesn’t like it well he can drop her, and it seems like Madi leaves anyways...so what is the big deal guys! Lay off of her...she has done no wrong!
Yes!! This!!!!
I agree. If she's "the one " no need to sleep with the others anyway. If not send her home.
Everyone likes her
She should have told him last week, before fantasy suites
Kiran Bains really wouldn’t have changed anything...I think it’s a mute issue...it’s just our opinion on their life and I think no matter what Peter would of still kept her around, he digs Madi and really genuinely loves her so it’s her life and his, after this convo tho he has a decision to let her go or not and hey one less woman means it won’t be that hard if he gets rid of her just because of that...also if people want to say well then he could of picked Kelsey. Hell no if he wanted her...so could of picked her over Victoria F.
Victoria talking about what's "disgusting." Oh the hypocrisy lol
Typical. Another hater. So many of you girls hate Victoria because she's the type so many guys want. Sour grapes.
@@richard5469 I see myself as more of a sour strawberry
@@richard5469 Richard. Buddy. You're never, ever, ever going to bang Victoria. Even if you show up in every comment thread (which you do). Even if you white knight for the next ninety years.
It's never going to happen for you.
Victoria will go on to become a vitamin spokeswoman for a hot minute, then fade into obscurity and go back to wreaking havoc in marriages across VA Beach.
You, meanwhile, will still be here, valiantly defending the next Victoria to come along.
And it still won't happen.
It will never happen.
Unless you ARE Victoria, of course. In which case - more power to you, V.
@@thelexicon7294 You sound triggered. And you're way off on your comments. Seek help.
🤦🏼♀️ Get a grip. They edited that and you fall for it. Victoria said: "That's disgusting" about Marissa on her hometown date.
LOL again fights about sex. Lets remember Sean Lowe. He didn't have sex in FS and married a girl who had very different beliefs, who respected his choices. It's ok to go on the show and have own standarts. Just because she signed up doesn't mean she's obligated to be cool with him banging everyone he wants. Neither of them here are wrong. They are just not compatible. That's all.
Also producers are killing it with the drama lmao. Can't believe they put them together. For sure to exploit Madison's weakness. Only time I recall them doing this with final three was during Rachel's season...
PREACH
So I guess thats why Seans is the only Bachelor who is still happily married.
They are just not compatible. Well put. I hope he sees that.
@@kevinmaniebo4881 Probably. A lot of men lead with sexual relationship in heir choices. But you should focus on overall chemistry. Sean did that and is happy. There have been some others too even if it didn't work for them in long run.
thank uuu! everyone seems to think sex is the expected when in reality its just to have an extended time with the individual
Lol Victoria needs to keep her mouth shut. Can’t wait to see her go home next week 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Omg I don't like her at all
Honestly, he shouldn't sleep with people before making a decision. He keeps telling every girl that he's in love with them, works them up to think they are his ultimate choice....and then he sleeps with someone else. It's just toxic.
I'm not someone who is about saving yourself for marriage, but Madi has a point. Sex is sacred and if he tells her that he loves her and sleeps with someone else...yeah, he's not worth it.
he’s not looking to get married , he’s never had women chase him and now he doesn’t know how to act. he tried making out with every girl . he’s a dog
Huh? You're lost. He hasn't told anyone he's "in love" with them. Pay attention. And plus, fantasy suits are part of the show. If anyone isn't ready for that possibility, then don't sign up to go on the show.
Mercurial Pierrot he’s a pilot! Hahaha yall need to do your homework on pilots before expecting anything but disappointment.
He HAS NOT told any of the girls that he's "in love" with them. What show are you watching?
Mercurial Pierrot haha! And falling inlove wi three women- no question the two fathers were so protective of their daughters
I just don’t understand why Madison waited THIS long to tell Peter. She should have told him much sooner, before home town dates, in my opinion. Especially because he’s the windmill boy.
Liv y producers probably asked her wait some time to tell peter about this 🤦♀️
Probably because she’s auditioning for the bachelorette
Victoria is still here...
When Luke P asked this everybody was like omg how can he say that. But Madison says exactly the same thing
It wasnt that why people were mad. Luke p also tried to gaslight hannah. It has nothing to do with his values. And also when she told him to leave and he refused. Hes crazy
Yvonne Suderee I was waiting for someone to bring this up!!! There is always a double standard.
People make me so frustrated because they keep on comparing Madison to Luke however there was so many things that Luke did before that moment when he spoke to Hannah about sex. That was just the final straw. No one can deny that. Madi has been completely drama free and now she is just making it known to Peter and its ultimately his decision.
@Cynthia Zavala well luke p did degrade hannah for sleeping with other men
@Cynthia Zavala oh gosh, so he didn't do anything wrong?
It's always better to be upfront about your standards/values before feelings get involved so that both people get into a situation with their eyes wide open..
Did he just say he’s in love with 3 women.... how in the hell are you in love with Victoria 🤦🏻♀️
Amber Korger lust, not love
He is throwing around that love word to lure them into the fantasy suite. He doesn't know what love is.
He’s obviously keeping Victoria for fantasy suites because he wants to have sex, then she’ll go home. Then it’ll be Hannah and Maddie and he’ll plan on telling Hannah goodbye but then he’ll find out Maddie left the show. Tbh i don’t think him and Maddie are very compatible, she’s super religious and his beliefs don’t really match up with hers.
She isn’t shaming him she is just telling him that she can’t continue if he proceeds to have intimacy with someone else. If he wants to throw away a relationship with an amazing girl just to have a night with Victoria then he’s not here to be in a relationship, he’s here for lust.
Tessa Fogle But why when Luke p said the same exact thing on Hannah b’s season... that was considered slut shaming???
Tessa Fogle yassss amen
Miki Luke P basically told Hannah B that she isn’t a good Christian if she sleeps with guys. And honestly at first I didn’t think much of him asking her to not be with the other men until he started going back on what he was saying and contradicting himself (ex saying he would leave and then taking it back saying he might be able to work it out once she got mad). He came off as odd to me and I really don’t see that from the teaser with Madison. We will just have to see how it plays out I guess. Main difference so far is that Luke was judgy, Madison is protecting herself it seems.
Tessa Fogle honestly, my prediction is that Madison WILL judge peter for sleeping with the other girls because the sneak clip just makes it look that way. And if she does judge him then she’s DEFINITELY not one of my favorites anymore. Like I cannot even.
Miki we will see I guess 😬
Victoria has an interesting use for the word "disgusting".
Madison and Peter have uneven yolk, she needs to find someone with the same values as her, Peter is a horn dog 😂
Some ppl defending him and blamming madison like they probably the same ppl who trash talk his decision this entire season and trash talk every other bachelor/bachelorette and contestants whose "whoring" themselves
first of all Wait really? I haven’t seen those comments yet.
@@Ash_Queen16 there are lots lol
How can u fall in love with 3 women at the same tiime.. Clearly its just attraction and intimacy.. Madison has the right to be happy.. Peter is not for her.. Waste of time
I understand where Madison is coming from, but this is unfair to put Peter in a corner like that. I mean it’s pretty similar to how Luke said he had a problem with Hannah B having sex with the other guys and shaming her. I mean you really expect someone who had sex 4 times in a windmill NOT to have sex in the fantasy suites???
so true 👏👏👏👏👏
I don’t think so she isn’t shaming him just letting him know we’re she stands but with Luke p he was slut shaming her (Hannah B) she didn’t give him an ultimatum she told him were she stand that’s different. And she is not telling him keep me around and don’t sleep she is saying if you don’t want to than I’ll leave that’s it.
Very different from Luke P. Madison has her deal breakers. She shared them. It's his choice whether he respects it or not. If not, she's not shaming him, just leaving. And I'm sorry, even Nick Viall stayed loyal to his pick in FS and he's bit of a dog. It's unbelievable how leads use this ''that's what the show is'' as an excuse. Very selfish.
he’s supposed to be looking for a wife, not some girls to bang
She is just saying her opinion not shaming him and peter is a perv so he won't listen, i hope she leaves, she is way too good for him
To those of you who can't comprehend why a religious girl like Madison would even come on this show.. WHY can't you people understand that you don't have to get intimate in the Fantasy Suites????? YES THIS is the bachelor and there is that inevitable stage but seriously?? Who says you have to do IT in there?? Also, i don't see how Madison is giving him an ultimatum. She is giving him a choice (as according to Reality Steve, Madison lets Peter know abt her stance before the commencement of the FSs).
She knows what she wants and values in a relationship so if Peter goes against that, it only shoes that he doesn't love her (despite him proclaiming his love for her ALREADY) that much after all and that their values are not aligned, and she is thus ENTITLED to freaking leave because every girl deserves to find someone who puts her interests and values first.
BLWT I understand what you’re saying but what about a mans interest and values? like I understand a woman deserves the world and whatnot but like shouldn’t there be a balance between the relationship?
Jordan Carothers it’s something she values a lot in her life, principles you live by throughout your entire life really sticks with you. if their principles don’t align then they just can’t make it together
BLWT omg i 100% agree with you..idk how he can say he’s “falling in love with her” while sleeping with other women it doesn’t make sense???? and how do you fall in love, at least romantically, with so many people??
arizona tea I just don’t think it could possibly end with her just getting up and walking away lol that would be too realistic we’re watching the bachelor and i’m sure madison will still choose to stay like the previews always be 🧢 for the most part
She is putting him in an ultimatum, she is telling him you have no choice if you sleep with them. It’s me or you sleep with the other women and get one of them. She knew peter is a sexual man and yet she puts him in a position where has to choose...umm it’s not her call. She shouldn’t have gone on the show if she is so religious and putting Peter in that position. Madison is a religious controlling woman, she should marry Luke P they have the same values.
*I could’ve swore peter was the bachelor here. This is HIS journey. If Madison doesn’t want to sleep with him, cool. But don’t TELL him that you will leave if he sleeps w the other women that’s insane and incredibly selfish!*
I agree with Maddi 100% but this does remind me of Luke P's ultimatum. Maddi has more taste and her morals are pure though and not about controling the person. Luke P never left and forced Hannah to keep him, Maddi takes a step back and let's Peter decide.
For the same reason people were bashing Luke P last season now they're defending Madison talk about double standards.
Not the same thing. First off, Luke had been a nightmare all season (and was acting INSANE later when he refused to leave even though Hannah asked him to leave over and over) whereas this was Madison's first problematic moment. Even leaving that aside, Luke wasn't just expressing that he'd feel hurt if Hannah had sex with the other men, he kept referring to it as a "mistake" and a "slip-up" like there was something inherently wrong with her choosing to have sex, whereas Madison said it would be hard to deal with but it was ultimately his choice. Plus Luke implied that she wasn't really a good Christian if she did that, which was not his call to make, and that he would think less of her as a person. Madison didn't do that. I still think she did herself and Peter a disservice by waiting this long, but it's not as bad as how Luke went about it.
At this point it is only Hannah Ann who is genuine. You people claim she is a child but she is the same age as Madi. She just looks young but that doesn’t mean she isn’t in love with Peter.
Madison claim she is there for the right reasons but she should have known by now what happened between Luke P and Hannah B about sex and inform Peter earlier. She knew she will use this as a getaway to leave the show with more followers.
As for Victoria don’t even know why she is still there.
Esthelle Fosua 100% agree! Why did Madison go on a show that promotes love, dating, kissing and sex. If she doesn’t want to have sex with him that’s fine, but to tell him who to be and they are not even married, this would make me worry for peter. Peter believes in sex before marriage and he is trying to find a compatible wife who he can share all forms of love with. Madison shouldn’t have gone on a show cause she is very religious and lives and breathes the bible.
I agree!! Hannah Ann is the best choice for Peter at this point. Victoria is toxic af and Madison’s stronger beliefs just don’t match up with peters. I wish he’d pick her but I know it’ll probably be Madison
Beyoncé Pad Thai 💯 Madi is in for the clout
Amber Korger I have a feeling he is going to choose Hannah Ann no matter the circumstances 🙏🏽
I like madi a lot but the joke of Peter is literally the windmill so she needs to be a bit realistic... Obviously her morals & his don’t really allign
Complete double standard that Madison can have this conviction and it be okay yet Luke was attacked for it. Hannah was more the problem in her prideful reaction. Can’t wait to see how this plays out with viewers.
No, Luke was an asshole. Madison is being upfront and honest in a respectful way. She has every right to ask her partner not to sleep with other women the week before they might get engaged. Luke P brought it up angrily *afterwards* which is too late. Madison is doing the right thing in bringing it up beforehand.
@@KWatsonMUSIC even if she brought it up afterwards she still not wrong in her beliefs in how trust in relationship should go
Luke P said he will remove himself if Hannah have slept with the other guys but when Hannah sent him home - HE DIDN'T. Madi on the otherhand said "it will be hard for her to continue to move forward" if Peter have been intimate with the other girls. So basically, it is HER CHOICE if she leaves the show.
@@glessyjuneyane8982 yes
Madison is too good for Peter!
Okay people are thinking Madison is unreasonable but I would be pretty hurt if a guy told me he’s “in love with me” than slept with two other women lol
Well in real life yeah but that's how this show works. I see where she's coming from, and so would I, but at the same time him meeting other girls' families and telling them he was falling in love with them wasn't a dealbreaker, but only the sex was because to her that's sacred. And to Peter that's just another important aspect of a relationship that he wants to explore and make sure he's sexually compatible with them. Neither of them are right or wrong, just not on the same page
Ruby Red I agree with you. If I were Madi I’d honestly leave the show and pursue someone with the same standards
@@LivAlexa32 Yeah for sure. And I get where she's coming from because even thoughI'm not saving myself and I wouldn't get engaged to a guy without exploring our sexual connection first, I definitely couldn't get past him sleeping with two other women soon before getting engaged. Just a tough situation all around
Ruby Red definitely, I’m the same, didn’t save myself for marriage but I also value an exclusive relationship. Honestly who do people go on the bachelor lol
@@LivAlexa32 Honestly I really don't know. That's part of why I love (and also hate) the show because it's just so INSANE to me that they're in this situation competing with each other for a "mate." It's like watching national geographic but with people. And somehow they're ALWAYS shocked when they don't get a rose even though they know there's so many of them. So many people go on the show and can't handle the jealousy at ALL, not to mention the stress of the situation and cameras. I think most people who've been on this show should get therapy to recover, not kidding at all
Madison should have told him sooner instead of 1. Setting these demands after the fact he's slept with girls (she's not the first date) and 2. She made it to hometowns. It's manipulative to hold back that info, to the WINDMILL guy, until you have enough control over him. It's fine for you to have your beliefs and she absolutely should stay firm to them but for her own self.
Seeing Victoria make it this far is as surprising as it was when I woke up the day after Election Day and found out Trump was our president.
Lol seriously... I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone
Hindsight will be 20/20 for him
What I don’t understand is that Madison and Luke P basically said the same thing, but only Luke P got backlash. Why didn’t anyone say anything about Madison’s choice? If it wasn’t such a big deal, then why criticize Luke P?
(I am not saying they’re right/wrong just confused about this situation)
Because first off, Luke had been a nightmare all season (and was acting INSANE later when he refused to leave even though Hannah asked him to leave over and over) whereas this was Madison's first problematic moment. Even leaving that aside, Luke wasn't just expressing that he'd feel hurt if Hannah had sex with the other men, he kept referring to it as a "mistake" and a "slip-up" like there was something inherently wrong with her choosing to have sex, whereas Madison said it would be hard to deal with but it was ultimately his choice. Plus Luke implied that she wasn't really a good Christian if she did that, which was not his call to make, and that he would think less of her as a person. Madison didn't do that. I still think she did herself and Peter a disservice by waiting this long, but it's not as bad as how Luke went about it.
uhhhh how come we literally cancelled luke p for doing the same thing and everyone in the comments is saying that they respect madison
Even setting aside the fact that Luke P acted nuts through a lot of the season vs Madison having her only problematic moment be now, the conversations about the fantasy suite were different. Madison was just expressing that she'd feel upset (I still think she should have brought it up earlier though) and Luke kept calling it a "mistake" instead of treating it like a choice, and implied that she wasn't really a if she slept with them when that's not his call to make. It's not the same thing at all
I'm sure he will sleep with all three and break with all three. At least he had fun.
I'm sure madison wont sleep with him
ok TWO theories...
1. the obvious, peter sleeps with victoria and hannah ann and madison finds out. then, before the final two victoria gets eliminated. both hannah ann and madison meet peter’s family. so, peter decides to propose to madison. he sends hannah ann home or he doesn’t (idk if what chris says is before the breakup or proposal) and then chris comes up and says she self eliminates and he’s conflicted bc he loves her. he goes to his parents for advice that’s where barb tells him to fight for her and bring her home.
2. this one is quite different. fantasy suites happen and victoria and hannah ann sleep with peter. obviously madison doesn’t. but in this theory madison self eliminates before the final two. peter then is upset but decides on hannah ann but then chris says madison is back and then he goes to his parents and they tell him to fight for madison.
either way personally i’m team madison and if peter truly loves her sex shouldn’t b a big deal to him but it is not right on madison to drop the bomb that late. honestly hannah ann isn’t that bad she has grown on me tbh. both girls are great victoria is a total trainwreck. who knows maybe hannah b comes back lol.
Does anyone know where I can find the shirt shown at 0:13 ???
OKAY WHOA. I could be totally off or have missed something but the only date that involved fighting this season was the pillow fight date right? and the telenovella got a little crazy right? Well in the first preview we got, there's a SUPER fast clip of Madison going to slap someone. The top shes wearing does not look like the one from the telenovella nor is she wearing the headband she wore in the scene. Annnnd Madison did not go on the pillow fight date. The background of the clip is very well lit and she looks decently angry in it. Did I totally miss something or is this unseen footage so far? Is this a fake fight that got cut or is it from this upcoming few episodes? I don't have enough time to do as much research as I should before posting this, but I genuinely do not remember another time that this clip could've been!
From: "The Bachelor 2020 Full Season Sneak Peek - The Bachelor" 1:33, right after/as Sydney says "like a slap in the face".
I don't remember if we've seen this but they definitely took it out of context. No way was that a slap I think
0:37 "Idk what she's talking about but if I stay quiet, maybe I'll become the next Bachelorette."
Ahww man we already predicted that it will be like that. I honestly hoped that Peter would choose Madison but now saying that she won't be with him if he slept with other women? I don't know what she expected of a bachelor because she knew what she was going to get herself into. I hope he will choose Kelsey. Oh yeah where is Kelsey btw?
Ayca Bas kelsey got sent home
@@chelsycostales okay but Peter keeps choosing Victoria like wtf what has Kelsey done to you
Ayca Bas exactly victoria has shown time and time again that she’s not ready for a life long commitment and peter is gonna smash and send her ass home
@@jordancarothers2580 yesss I agree
@ShihYin Lin yes I'm not saying that the girls are wrong, but if they are going to complain than they shouldn't bother to come on the show in the first place because as I said, they knew what they were going to get themselves into.
Madison if I was her I will do the same thing if he sleep with other girl that mean he dint really really love her
It's Madison right as a human to stand up and uphold her personal beliefs. I admire that. Peter is not for her IF he'd sleep with the 2 others.
0:06 EDITED SOUND BITE!!!!!
The difference between Luke P and Madison is that Luke P legit called out Hannah for sleeping with all the other guys, almost slut shaming her and judging her belief in god. Madison said it in a respectful way and told him in advance before the fantasy suites dates that she wouldn't be able to move forward if he did sleep with the other girls. She will probably use better words than what Luke P did lol!
Well, I predict that Victoria won’t get a rose next week.
I never liked her anyway
bip2019 quote from HannahG: Are you using the boom-boom room? In a nutshell, FantasySuite = the boom-boom Room. After fantasy suites, he will be up to 5 girls (if we include HB from 2019). It takes two to tango. Yes, HB is still in the mix.
I’m having Luke P flash backs at what Madison said... oh no..
I want Madison and Peter to be together. Yes, she has strong religious views, but she's still my favorite girl and way better than Victoria or Hannah
Jasmine Gutierrez what has Hannah really done tho? I feel like people come at her for no certain reasons besides that she looks young lol. She seems super sweet to me and I think her and peter are the better match.
@@Amber-ln5yk the problem with Hannah is that she's inexperienced when it comes to serious relationships. For her I think she has a long way to go to figure out marriage means to her.
Okay but Madison really shouldve said something earlier. Like why are you telling him the week before fantasy suites.
Guys, I have a theory: what if Madison just uses abstinence as a cop out?
Madison does not like Peter enough, and she has also not given marriage a serious thought. If she did love him and did think about the future, she would have made her stand on her abstinence early on. If you really like someone, and you see a future, you will bring up the deal breaker and get it out of the way the sooner the better. Why kiss a frog for weeks and then say: "Oh btw I don't like frog, so eww, we are over"? Not that I say Peter is a frog. Maybe it is just me, but I think she does not have the "date to mate" mindset.
Back to the theory, she understands that they do not have a future, because of their religious stand, her athletic and homely life, and his "worldly" job. She sorta likes him, but not enough to carry his child. So she keeps her save it for marriage card for a rainy top 3 day. That is as far as you can get if you are not honest about the sexy thing.
What do you guys think? I don't think she does it solely for the Bachelorette title, although if offered, she would probably say yes. I am saying that all the people on this show comes in with an agenda, and even the best of hearts have some purposes other than finding love. Madison is portrayed as drama free, but I wonder if we are buying the producers' narrative too willingly?
So Madison should’ve made this clear all along.
She waited until almost the end of the journey to tell him that she won’t have sex until marriage and that if he sleeps with any of the other women she will leave.
She came onto the bachelor she knew what she was getting her self into. Especially with Peter.. he’s a super sexual guy.
He’s obviously going to have sex. Some of these people need to stop putting themselves in these situations if they can’t handle what it entails.
They act so surprised and crazy at the end when it all could’ve been avoided by simply not being on the show in the first place lol.
For those comparing Madison to Luke P... there is no comparison. Luke P acted insanely hypocritical in his faith, showcasing drama, pride, jealousy, and judgement, all of which are against Christian values. Madison has not done any of those things the entire season. It was never wrong of Luke P to say he wouldn’t feel comfortable marrying someone after they just had slept with someone else, it was the judgement and shame he placed on Hannah B.
Have a feeling no matter what Madison does, she will not go about this is a place of judgement, but a place of standards. She revealed to Peter before fantasy suites where she stands, and there is nothing wrong if they have disagreeing values on the subject. This may just be their way of realizing they aren’t right for each other, and it is wrong for Victoria to judge Madison for wanting to uphold her standards. Who knows? Maybe Peter will end up realizing he might’ve made a mistake not waiting for the girl he could spend forever with?
This is true. I do think Madison did Peter and herself a disservice by waiting this long to bring it up, especially knowing how important sex is to Peter, but that's forgivable and definitely not the same as what Luke did. And you're right, it's just a difference in values. I hate how people are trying to make it seem like he's an asshole just because their values don't match up. It's not right and wrong, it's just that they're not compatible in that regard and that's okay
Wait .... so Madison is Luke P. Tell me how this is any different. It literally sounds like the same convo
Thank you 🤔I was thinking the same thing🤷🤷
It's the whole context and conversation, ppl not gonna give a sheet if that's the only phrase luke p was saying and HB wont be so hurt by it.
@tori wilson only that one phrase the same the rest already been said to be different but okay, yall just want to witch hunt her. And not weird thing to ask him not to have sex and the choice still him to make, so what if she leave, he still got 2 other girls. Also a reminder how ppl disgusted at how hannah brown jumped on top of every guy, nick viall groping and smooching almost every girls, yet now ppl giving peter all the green light just cos one girl asking him not to have sex lol funny
@tori wilson Wrong. Even setting aside the fact that Luke P acted nuts through a lot of the season vs Madison having her only problematic moment be now, the conversations about the fantasy suite were different. Madison was just expressing that she'd feel upset (I still think she should have brought it up earlier though) and Luke kept calling it a "mistake" instead of treating it like a choice, and implied that she wasn't really a if she slept with them when that's not his call to make. It's not the same thing at all
I am still team Madison😍 not only is she worth a lot and sticks to her believes but she has a good heart and is in it for the right reasons😍 Victoria is the one to talk when you can clearly tell she has issues and seems to be the kind of person to have toxic relationships. Because she doesn’t even know how to take responsibility for anything and instead of being mature and talking she’s pathetic and gets defensive!
I don’t get why they’re all staying together. Don’t the final 3 all split up?
My guess is that Madison is gonna get super mad at Peter after he tells her the truth and then she’s gonna storm off and then she will want to go home to save herself from Peter.
Double standard: people trashed Luke P. for the saaaaaaame thing.
While we haven't seen next week's episode, I have a feeling it will be different than Luke. Luke was behaving in an un-Godly fashion the entire production, not just when he talked about sex. He constantly lied and manipulated situations, and he showed all kinds of anger and control issues. He may be a Christian, but these anger moments were not born out of zeal for the Lord. All of this points to an abusive individual--something that Madison (so far) is not. Her actions and behavior show a heart that serves God. The one good thing Luke did was state his position on sex in marriage. However, when he found out that Hannah doesn't feel as strongly, then he should have left, which is what it appears Madison will do. After he didn't get the answer he wanted, he kept changing his story and acted like he would still be willing to marry Hannah, when he had just told her that he wouldn't--that is manipulative behavior and that is the problem that most people have with Luke P. It is his behavior we couldn't stand; NOT his beliefs.
You know it's not the same thing bru
Even setting aside the fact that Luke P acted nuts through a lot of the season vs Madison having her only problematic moment be now, the conversations about the fantasy suite were different. Madison was just expressing that she'd feel upset (I still think she should have brought it up earlier though) and Luke kept calling it a "mistake" instead of treating it like a choice, and implied that she wasn't really a if she slept with them when that's not his call to make. It's not the same thing at all
Peter is going down as one of the worst bachelors, right up there with race car guy, prince what’s his name, and Don Juan Pablo!
Victoria is a really bad person - she has broken up relationships and allegedly slept with her friends’ husbands. Not to mention her and Peter’s relationship is super toxic...they can’t go one conversation without fighting. Why is she still there? What does Peter see there? If it’s for the fantasy suites like some people have theorized, I’m honestly so disgusted. But maybe it was process of elimination, and he knew Kelsey wasn’t the one and he didn’t want to break her heart more than necessary because he knew where she was and he wasn’t close to there? Idk that’s what I’m hoping
D H true I just want to think he’s better than that but it’s becoming clear that he’s not. 😕
Soo while Maddie and Peter are talking at the table, she gives him the ultimatum and thats when he confesses to her that he slept with someone (Victoria probably) 6 days ago. Maddie walks off but comes back and their relationship is on thin ice. On the next fantasy sweet Peter sleeps with Hanna and Maddie finds out. She decides to quit and the producers have to let Peter know. IDK what do y'all think?
Maybe it’s Maddison that leaves.
Victoria could care less about Peter that’s why she says these stupid things. Madison deserves the best I hope she’ll be the next bachelorette.
This is actually so nonsense. Kelsey you can be glad that he did you a favor.
How is Madison any different than Luke P? It’s one thing to remain abstinent until marriage, it’s another to expect your partner to do the same and dump then if they haven’t.
There's nothing wrong with wanting your partner to be abstinent or "save" themselves for you as long as you apply the same standards to yourself. And I say this as someone who would never get married without exploring our sexual connection first because being sexually compatible is important to me.
But anyway, even setting aside the fact that Luke P acted nuts through a lot of the season vs Madison having her only problematic moment be now, the conversations about the fantasy suite were different. Madison was just expressing that she'd feel upset (I still think she should have brought it up earlier though) and Luke kept calling it a "mistake" instead of treating it like a choice, and implied that she wasn't really a if she slept with them when that's not his call to make. It's not the same thing at all
Madison should have come into this show well aware that peter had sex four times in a windmill , and staying a virgin until marriage was for her no peter .but still she’s the only nice person left and I will support her . Victoria f is too worse of a match for peter and Hanna Ann is a child .
I wish Madison brought up her concern as about sex to him earlier so he knew going into things that’s is he did sleep with a woman, how she would react. But she did it too late and he probably already slept with one of them and it was too late to undo that. He should be able to have that information and know what to do with it
Honestly... I still believe Hannah Brown and Peter are still gonna end up together. Just wait... in the next few months or so....
Madison would be the best girl for him to choose now. But I’m afraid he will be scared because, of her religion. She seems like a sweet & genuine girl. Too bad. Bet he will pick Hannah Ann.
We know that girl that confronts peter with how many girls u sleeping with she most likely will leave because she a devoted catholic which i can see and her following
I can see where Madison is coming from. First just because its fantasy suites doesnt mean you have to sleep with anyone. Madison is basically saying to him that if you care about me and im the one your gonna pick dont sleep with these other girls that is all. So, yes if a guy told me he was falling head over heels for me and sleeps with other girls i would leave also. Because that proves you really dont give a damn about the person. That is what Madison is really saying to all that dont comprehend her meaning. Besides you cant love 3 people at the same time anyways... where is it written that you have to sleep with all these people that you take into fantasy suites anyways. If you really cared and knew who you were picking you wouldnt be sleeping with anybody else but that one person.
Why can’t people respect the fact that she’s waiting for marriage, I find that more attractive
No one is making fun of her for that that I've seen. If people have a problem with what went down, it's because they think she did herself and Peter a disservice coming on this show that she knew would conflict with her values and not letting Peter know this would be a dealbreaker a lot sooner, considering sexual compatibility is obviously important to Peter. Neither of them are right OR wrong, they can both do whatever they want, they're just not compatible. I can definitely see where both of them are coming from
Ruby Red yeah I feel like as a Christian the bachelor isn’t the best place to go if you’re going to Stick to your morals and beliefs 😂
@@jl9637 Well, I'd correct you a bit and say the Bachelor isn't the best place as the kind of Christian that Madison is, but not necessarily bad for any Christian. Most of the contestants are Christian, it's not very diverse in that respect, they just don't interpret their faith the same way that she does. But other than that, I agree, she should stick to her values if it's what makes her happy and find someone who will be compatible with her values in a more practical way, like through her church community
Ruby Red yes I agree with you, also if peter is not willing to listen to what she says, I believe she deserves someone who can be on the same page as her.
@@jl9637 Absolutely. They both do!
I think he ends up with Victoria 😲💨 you guys. I called it 1st
Peter is such a disgusting man it bothers me soo much when they go in this show and say their looking for love when they sleep with 3 girls or even just 1 and then they notice oh no she’s not the one ..... like are you serious what kind of show is this . This proves how men are animals he slept with either both of them and then says oh I want Madison ? Hello no Madison leave get you a godly man who loves you and will only be for you !!!
Hannah Brown did the same thing, is she an animal too or is bc Peter is a guy hes the animal?
Bisma Khan Hanna brown I wouldn’t say animal but falls in the same category
@@laurareyes1111 You're so judgemental ew
Ruby Red that’s my opinion so who cares ?
@@laurareyes1111 Right back at you :)
Peter and Victoria should end up together. Their all about sex and it's obvious their relationship is just that "physical attraction"! In marriage love is MORE than just sex. It's obvious the person who is not in this for the right reasons is PETER himself. He shows over and over again that all he cares about is just the physical side to a relationship. That's why he feels the need to make out with EVERY single girl there and we ALL know and even his close friend Tyler knows that he is only keeping Victoria because he wants to have sex with her. That's all he wants from her and that's why he lets her go after this because he FINALLY got what he wanted...sex. Madison you are too good for this. Let peter go and wait for someone who will respect, cherish, and adore you. Someone who will not have other women on the side. Someone who will wait for you because you are worth the wait. RUN GIRL RUN. Peter keeping Victoria around shows more about his character and you know it. You don't want a guy in your life who only cares about one thing only. You are not a piece of meat. You are worth respect and worth the wait. There are guys out there who know what real love is and will wait for you. I know because my husband was one of those guys. They do exist. Peter doesn't deserve you. Period.
Luke P has entered the group chat
Omgosh I just want to sit down with Victoria F as a Mamma Bear and say Really????? How can you judge? Look at your self in the mirror!!!!
You can't make a man stop having sex with other people that's his choice if he want to change for you 😕😕
Disgusting from the person that slept with her friend's husband. Real rich.
A week or two ago he was saying he was falling in love with her, but he has to sleep with the other women just to make sure it is real? If you love someone you listen to their feelings and if you know it is her you don't need the other women. Colton got it right!
I feel like this decision would be so much easier for Peter if polygamy was socially acceptable
She's pulling a Luke P move...have these people not seen the show ??? If you want a religious person just go to the church ...why come on the bachelor....so stupid...i'm no longer on Madison's side.
Salhi Meriem I don’t think so she isn’t shaming him just letting him know we’re she stands but with Luke p he was slut shaming her (Hannah B) she didn’t give him an ultimatum she told him were she stand that’s different. And she is not telling him keep me around and don’t sleep she is saying if you don’t want to than I’ll leave that’s it.
Agree 👏👏👏👏👏👏
I respect her decision, her mistake was not communicating that sooner.
Mercurial Pierrot sooner in the real world they are dating for1 and half cop on like
@@mercurialpierrot7073 her decision should have been to not come on a show where the concept is being intimate with multiple people at once if she's sooo strict about her religion.
How TF is he in love with all 3?? Stop it Peter. You're doin the most.
Well at least one (Mads) has some sense about herself.
Does Madison not know he slept with Hannah though..?
Why would Madison go on the bachelor if peter’s whole takeaway is , sex 4 times in a row in a windmill. Why is she just saying this now ?
Everytime I hear Victoria’s voice it makes me want to vomit
I find it ridiculous that some people (properly her fake accounts?) tried to defend that it wasn't her fault to sleep with married man. Sorry, but a woman with dignity would not sleep with married man no matter how "weak" their marriages are. Sex comes after flirting, y'all. If she didn't give any hint of flirt, none of those married man would try to move forward with her. It's just pure disgusting to flirt (and then have sex) with married man and tear apart a family.
Well it's true that she has no excuse, and most people are definitely disgusted over her actions. But maybe I'm reading too much into how you wrote it, but it seems like you're putting it ALL on Victoria too. Not because I think she deserves to be off the hook, but because the husbands don't either. You don't know who came on to who first or who flirted first. Don't get me wrong, I think she's disgusting, but the husbands are equally at fault. They're all adults and they all made the conscious choice to betray someone: Victoria to her friends, and the husbands to their wives
How is that disgusting? You're disgusting for saying that. She has the right to give an ultimatum like that. Plus she's more pure and mature that you are Victoria. 😠 Why is she there! Ughhhhh! 🤦And honestly if he really wants to be with Madison at the end, he shouldn't sleep with the other girls. If Peter wants to sleep with the other girls he should send her home earlier or not make her top 2
You’re an idiot. Period.
the producers have royally screwed this season. I went soapy drama but not too much that it overpowers the romance. You've seemed to lose sight of that and it's (to quote victoria) "disgusting." It's not enjoyable to watch and housing them together is downright cruel. Shame on the team.
I really can't comprehend why people are sticking up for a woman who has no respect for herself because she is willing to sleep with married men and does not care about breaking up relationships. How in the world are people sticking up for this chick and not for Madison who does not have a shady past of sleeping around with men especially married men. One has self control, self respect, and standards and the other doesn't have any of those things. C'mon people!!!! Of course Victoria will talk smack about Madison! Madison is everything Victoria is NOT.
Very few people are sticking up for Victoria. Most people are disgusted with her. I'm confused about where you are getting this impression?
@@rubyred3580 I'm just pointing out the few who are... If you read through the comments you can tell there are people in this world that are actually on her side. The only reason why they are is because "she's hot" lol. It's sad there are people in this world who are too blinded by looks that they don't care about character. I just don't want people to think what Peter and Victoria have is (normal and real) because what they have is (very unhealthy)! That's an awful example to young people who watch this and think it's okay to be treated the way Victoria treats Peter. Peter staying with Victoria even when she's clearly a gaslighting person is not okay either. Looks shouldn't be more important than character. What Peter will spend his life with will be her character. Trust me her looks will fade but character doesn't tarnish with time.
@@islandflava7395 Oh I completely agree with you. I was mistaken about what I thought you meant; I just interpreted your comment as implying that MOST people are. I stand corrected. For the few that are, yes, it's crazy. And when they say shit like "nobody's perfect!" yeah everyone has flaws but most people's flaws don't include repeatedly fucking their friends' husbands and driving drunk lol. And yeah their relationship is super unhealthy. I want to shake Peter and I feel annoyed at him but at the same time it's so easy to judge from the outside... I just hope he learns from this experience because I think he's a sweet guy who just has some maturing and self-actualization to do
Fantasy suits are not for sex, but the fact that peter could potentially have sex with one of the two women (Hannah or Victoria) and then possibly send one of them home right after is not fair. How do you make love with someone then send them packing? Sex has 100% lost its meaning. If he loves madi, he won’t sleep with the other girls. But if he says he loves all 3 of them, well that’s just messed up.
Because for some people sexual compatibility is important and they want to make sure they're compatible before getting married? There's nothing wrong with that. There's also nothing wrong with Madison not being okay with that. Neither of them are wrong, they're just not on the same page
Everyone understands where Madison is coming from but not Luke p? The double standards
Even setting aside the fact that Luke P acted nuts through a lot of the season vs Madison having her only problematic moment be now, the conversations about the fantasy suite were different. Madison was just expressing that she'd feel upset (I still think she should have brought it up earlier though) and Luke kept calling it a "mistake" instead of treating it like a choice, and implied that she wasn't really a if she slept with them when that's not his call to make. It's not the same thing at all
This is ridiculous! Madison calls herself religious and is saving herself for marriage, yet she came to a show like The Bachelor! What a joke! Please go on Christianmingle or something and look for someone with similar values. 🤦🏻♀️
You must have forgotten Colton’s season.
violethill37 How can I? He was a horrible choice for a bachelor. Lol
Are you kidding me all three woman under the same roof what a joke I don’t care and Madison saying she can’t continue the relationship if he sleeps with the other two woman I’m sorry Madison that’s your decision but it doesn’t need to be told in front of peter I think peter needs to send her home
Peter is just a honey SOB. I would dump him instantly, not worth my time. This show is immoral per my culture. You do not try sex like shoes. This show should be eliminated. Bad example for our children
"This show is immoral per MY culture" self centered much? lol good thing your judgemental culture doesn't get to set standards for everyone :) sorry you don't get to censor whatever you want. Don't watch it if you don't like it
After seeing last nights episode i feel that Madison s choice to stay a virgin .. inst really her choice .. is mainly her parents choice ..i didn't think it was necessary for Madison's mum to reminder her to tell Peter her decision to remain a virgin .. Its Madison s right to decide when or how or if she s going to let Peter know and its her right to change that decision if she wants to actually have sex with him .. i think she s being brainwashed .. i m not denying its her decision but she s being very influenced by her family . Also , for Madison , sex might not be an issue , however most people are sexually liberated and sexual chemistry is important and plays a factor in someones decision so its a little unfair for her to get upset over him having sex with Victoria and Madison , im not saying its how its supposed to be , im just saying he has the right if he wants to, because they are not a couple yet , they are not in that phase where they are exclusive or he s made up his mind who he s gonna pick at the end
Madison mother said don’t
@@evangelinenosike5528 i must have missed that because from what i saw she said " as long as u maintain ur values and standards , ur good " , and she started by saying " this is a family of values " , to me thats implementing ur own wishes upon ur daughter
This comment section is filled with feminists defending Madison but also bashed the hell out of Luke P. That's why feminism sucks
It would only be a double standard if they had behaved the same way. You're being stupid, feminism is belief in EQUALITY for men and women, not special privelages for women
I think Madison is so cute , but damn those eyelashes freak me out
Hes. Not. In. Love. With. All. 3. Of. Them
What the hell does Madison think this whole thing is about. Why did she even sign up? (To be on TV and promote herself, I believe) Has she not seen the show! Did she think there wasn't going to be fantasy suits this season? Give me a break. I hope he cuts her loose. Way too prissy and inexperienced for an engagement.
She is way too good for him anyways
@@yelissacordero3021 In what world?
Truly religious people won't even watch show like The Bachelor. It's too sinful in their eyes. And saying you're religious and sing up for a show like this is very hypocritical and sinful. Also Madi judging Peter for sleeping with other girls is sin too. If she really is as religious as she says, she will forgive him. Religious people are modest people they don't show off with their faith like Madi and Luke P.
She came in for the followers
V F is a F
She plan this,sign up and quit.She just want more followers.
i wonder how kelsey feels now seeing that peter didn't even meet victoria's family but then she ended up getting sent home