Nietzsche's Views on Women
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- It might be shocking for people to discover the views of Fredrick Nietzsche on women and women's emancipation.
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To be fair to Muzammil , he has addressed this question in one of the interviews he gave. He clearly said he doesn’t agree completely with any one the philosophers views he reads. He specifically mentioned Nietzsche and clarified that he doesn’t agree with his views on Women.
Exactly
Yup!.
Absolutely. That is why I said in the start and in the conclusion that Muzammil is pro-women's rights. But Nietzsche is not.
I've pinned your comment to the top so that no one has any misunderstanding in this regard.
Pehlay kehta. He should’ve said I don’t agree with this part rest is fine
Muzammil says he is hardcore feminist, Nietzsche was anti-feminist. But still Muzammil put Nietzsche’s picture on his wall. Enough of this stupidity!
In my show, Muzammil criticized Neitzche for misogynistic views.
Huhahahahahahahah Say To Muzamil Wolfs Don't Care about the Barking dogs 😂
Muzammil has Very low understanding of Nietzsche's opinions and Sayings
Misogyny doesn't exist
For Women's "Nietzsche was the Khalil ur Rehman of his time" ! 😂
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You really nailed it😂
Nailing it bro😂
Nah, Andrew Tate.
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Thanks alot for replying in the comment section and clarifying everything.
Hello sir, great fan of your videos. I just want to let you know that muzzamil shah acknowledged that Nietzsche's views on women are not right. The important thing to remember is that no one is perfect and we can criticize our role models for that because Nietzsche himself said that if people blindly start following him, he will leave everything and go into the woods.
Right.............. 💯%
Well said.
PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAW SAYS : "Fear Allah in respect of women." And: "The best of you are they who behave best to their wives." And: "A Muslim must not hate his wife, and if he be displeased with one bad quality in her, let him be pleased with one that is good." And:"The more civil and kind a Muslim is to his wife, the more perfect in faith he is."
2nd saying of prophet Muhammad saw
The best property a man can have is a remembering tongue (about Allah), a grateful heart and a believing wife who helps him in his faith." And again: "The world, the whole of it, is a commodity and the best of the commodities of the world is a virtuous wife."
Lou jee Agai Wo khatoon Jisko Shohar ne Boht Sataya ha Hahah
Affixing Nietzsche's photo on the wall doesn't imply complete agreement from Syed Muzammil. He critiques Nietzsche, particularly in the realm of women.
Nietzsche was right as his life experience was shaped by society around him and his personal sufferings.
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The same can be said of any individual. No?
What anyone thinks is individual and all knowledge is individual base .Everyone is right and may be wrong for other who see with prism of collectivity and taking one side or other.
@@Taimur_Laalif you were in his time you would think the same about women
@@Taimur_Laal No ! You are Not Even The Size Of a Baby hand compared To Him huhahahahahahahah
I would appreciate it if Dr. Taimur Rehman could explain why he involved Muzammil in this discussion. Criticizing Nietzsche's misogyny could have been done independently, and I don't understand the necessity of including Muzammil in the video. Can someone please ask Dr. Taimur about this?
It is because of Muzammil that young people have become interested in Nietzsche. Hence, I used him as a segue to talk about Nietzsche. The purpose is only to engage the audience and generate interest.
@@Taimur_Laal That makes sense. Thank you for your response. Let’s keep the discourse going 😉
That’s seems misleading statement. Have you done any survey which says because of Muzammil young people are reading Nietzsche??
Muzammil mindlessly quotes Nietzsche and people are like ‘aaawww’ and then he ends almost every video with the solution to bring secularism in Pakistan.
@@Taimur_LaalAnd you did the same only 100x 😂
Neitzche was brutally honest and rebellious, he didnt give a f* about other’s opinions, he wrote what he thought and didn’t try to fit in the prevailing mentality. You said his statements didn’t follow a logical sequence , thats because he was against a systemic, organised philosophical systems and criticised other philosophers who did the same.
Prevailing mentality?? How on earth Faminism a prevailing mentality even before the previous century when Women are struggling for their rights till date??
The Faminist movement was just emerged in Europe in his time and it is yet to hit it's bottom so it wasn't a prevailing mentality but the reality it, he was a pure sexiest person who believed the out dated old school thoughts about women all his life.
Nietzsche is writing this in the 19th century, whereas Dr. Taimoor is criticizing him in 2024. The time, conditions, and scenario are different. Reasons why Nietzsche criticized women include:
1) His bad love experience with Lou Andreas-Salome. A girl whom Nietzsche wanted to marry but got rejected.
2) His sister Elisabeth Nietzsche, who mis-interrupted his work and made him a 'Nazi philosopher'.
[3] The crux of Nietzsche's philosophy is 'overcoming the human self and turning into an Uberminch". He suggested it for all, despite gender.
[4] Nietzsche's views about women changed with time, and at different times he had different views.
I am not canceling what Dr. Sab said; that is also a side of Nietzsche's philosophy, but that is only one side, not the whole picture.
But what Dr. Sab is doing is actually canceling Nietzsche just because of his views on women. {women are just one topic; his philosophy has many more topics and many different aspects}.
As a Nietzschean myself and a person who reads philosophy every day, I can assure you that Nietzsche is 'THE GREATEST GENIUS EVER LIVED'. Read his work, not just random quotations from the internet.
Weldone, this man hates Nietzsche's thoughts because it is spreading more than Trotosky's and Marx's ideas. This man is always biased in terms of liberalism and free thinkers.
Matlab muje ladki ne reject kiya abb me misogynist ban jao ye baat Tu ghalat hai na bhai
very well said
@mahwish8522 Plato is the father of all mambo zambo and aristetol is the father of all science...Plato experiment ki khilaf thi...he said thinking se sab Kuch paye ja sakti hai...Plato covered aristetol and destroyed Greek civilization , that's why Nietzsche said Socrates is the clown and Plato is the coward...Allah ki rasul o myslims uncovered the Greek philosophy o civilization which later
Tended to destroy Islam like it destroyed Greek civilization...but rusd opposed gazali and created renesa and Hume...but Kant created excitement like islam.thats the route cause of turkey German friendship...
Your Eyesight Is Weak He Is Still Beyond This Time we Are Living!
Feel sympathy for Nietzsche....who proposed one girl three times.....but she rejected him....entire life he remained as single.......In his last days in hospital ,he drew sketch of a man who is hugging a girl....He was hit Psychologically ....I think he was loathing that desires.....which never satisfied him .....
U don't know christian love , why mardana newton and Leibniz never married? Be cause of christian love or sisterly love which is opposite of romantic love...
After she refused to marry,Neitche came up with his greatest writing "Thus Spoke Zarathrusta "..
i started reading his book good and evil today and i guess the fun part is spoiled :) khair glad k you made something like this though i am neither a neitzchean nor a misogynist, i like that more and more men are uniting to clear away the stereotypes and myths around women. praise and support to u, keep it up comrade.
Muzammil always said he never agreed with Nietzsche misogynistic views
Oh my god ! I can’t stop laughing!
I am glad you pointed this out !! People like Muzammil are caught by this kind of fine print 😂
But the sad thing is that those who are convinced by him won’t give this vdo any credit while those who will agree with what you are trying to point out don’t need this vdo know what he stands for.
In any case good compilation on Neitzsche’s views at least for the one not aware of his views!
Kudos as always
I liked this video that actually started with a promotional message of someone's channel in the start, may be a friend, or we can call it a support from one liberal to another. By the way, none of his videos even crossed the mark of half a million views. You are claiming his videos have views in millions. May be in counter, you may come up with a point that i was talking about collective viewership. Please, Sir! You are a respected person. We watch your videos. Don't do such kind of things. These don't suit you, Sir. Anyways, i admire your efforts, besides the friendly promotional message. Additionally, I would love to have another video from your side on the philosophy of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) on women rights.
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Excellent analysis sir. Love your work. Alhamdulillah! Keep it up.
After reading 'The Art of Seduction' by Robert Greene, realized how much Salome had broken his heart.
probably, he uttered this edge-lordy crap in her presence one too many times just to impress her... and she bolted 🤣🤣🤣
Everybody trying to defend Muzammil needs to understand that Taimur did not imply anywhere that Muzamaal endorse these ideas. Although I do think that including Muzamaal in the video was kind of a bad idea as people might misunderstand his stand on this topic
yes muzamil said many times "i don't agree with Nietzsche's views on feminism"
I welcome the new plain background of Syed Muzammil's studio. Having a portrait of Friedrich Nietzsche in the background was a bit confounding to say the least. I am subscriber to his channel and find his analyses very interesting.
That smile. That damn smile on your face during all this.
Dr Taimour, you have done an excellent and useful work by revealing this theory of Nietzsche .Many misconceptions have been removed. shukria again ,,here is Amir Hashmi
Most AWESOME subject and BEST presentation. I wish if MUZAMMIL makes a video analyzing some key thoughts on Nietzsche......
I feel really hopeful when people like u talk on some sensitive topics it shows we still have chances to survive .people like u motivate us to keep learning.Otherwise the kind of economy and patriarchal culture and low moral values we have its not easy for us to survive ,keep spreading knowledge.❤
Many have talked about women but I think al-Ghazali took the cake when he said, "Consult a woman before making a decision and do the opposite".
These are called animals not humans who think like that about women, including al ghazali
oh so you are alive
Nietzche ka bhi baap tha ye😂
@@AbdulQadeer-hv9ms jaahil insaan stop conforming your biases. this qoute is mis-attributed to ghazzali there is no reference of it niether it appears in any authentic works of ghazzali....ghazzali in fact said this
“The good wife is a support for her husband in maintaining his faith and in managing the household affairs with wisdom.” (Ihya Ulum al-Din, Bab an nikah)
"One’s treatment of women reflects the state of one’s soul. A person with a pure soul will treat his wife with dignity and respect, seeking her comfort and happiness." Mizan al-Amal (The Balance of Action
"A wife is the guardian of her husband's house and honor. Her role in preserving the integrity of the household is as important as a man's role in providing for it." Kimiya al-Sa'adat (The Alchemy of Happiness)
After all, why bother with centuries of facts when you can just Google the answers you want to hear? Also in google some of other works are wrongly attributed to imam ghazzali like councles of kings which according to historian George Makdisi's research it is not written by ghazzali himself.....these works also contradict his primary writtings like ilhya and alchemy e.t.c
jaahil insaan stop conforming your biases...even if you reach milllion subscriebrs you would remain jashil. this qoute is mis-attributed to ghazzali there is no reference of it niether it appears in any authentic works of ghazzali....ghazzali in fact said this
“The good wife is a support for her husband in maintaining his faith and in managing the household affairs with wisdom.” (Ihya Ulum al-Din, Bab an nikah)
"One’s treatment of women reflects the state of one’s soul. A person with a pure soul will treat his wife with dignity and respect, seeking her comfort and happiness." Mizan al-Amal (The Balance of Action
"A wife is the guardian of her husband's house and honor. Her role in preserving the integrity of the household is as important as a man's role in providing for it." Kimiya al-Sa'adat (The Alchemy of Happiness)
guardianship and wisdom cannot be attributed to such woemsn whoose view you want to oppsoe.....
After all, why bother with centuries of facts when you can just Google the answers you want to hear? Also in google some of other works are wrongly attributed to imam ghazzali like councles of kings which according to historian George Makdisi's research it is not written by ghazzali himself.....these works also contradict his primary writtings like ilhya and alchemy e.t.c and also is political in nature which was not in primary interests of gahzzali...
Reading Nietzche is trending in Pakistan, thanks to Iqbal's references to him in his poetry. His views on women are not entirely wrong although he took in to extremes. He was a psychologist, he influenced Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung. Hence he knew something about women we don't know. We need to read him carefully as he uses metaphors and irony.
Even jordan Peterson is influenced by Nietzsche
I am not sure he was a psychologist... he was a philologist though
Not entirely wrong?? If he was alive till date, he himself wouldn't have said that in 2024...
But bhai cult ka kia kar sakty hy
Jordan Peterson is doing the same
In my opinion Nietzsche, Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, Jordan Peterson are few people who solved mystery named "Women"
Taimur, i like your posts n the way u talk.
On the other hand Muzzamil's style is always aggressive, sarcastic n negative, without talking about possible solutions. He always starts with "your government...." or "your politicians..." "your army...."
He gets so carried away that his own arguments are contradictory. I think he is not a collegiate any more n get over his aggression n sarcastic nature.
He is a journalist not an educationalist nor having legislative power.
لال تیرے جن نثار
بے شمار بے شمار
کاش آپ میرے استاد ہوتے😊😊😊
The smile on your face during this video tells me otherwise
کاش نتشے میرا استاد ہوتا ، تو مجھ سے بھی بہت کچھ سیکھ لیتا۔
Very educative, and informative on the negative view point of Mr. Neitche about women. But I understand that some other intellectuals /philosophers too have reflected negatively on women.
sir, kindly make another video on Nietzche overview.
thanks foe this insightful information
The moment Muzammil starts criticizing India, more than 50% of his following will disappear.
Even if that is true, how does that change anything vis a vis the strength of his arguments or position?
The fallacies aren't gonna work out here. 😂🙈
It means that Indians are more rational and logical
Congratulations you won the award of most chutiya internet comment ever
There is a difference between India and the Indian government. So if you meant the Indian government, then those followers of his most likely are already criticising the Indian government.
مجھے کسی نے کہا کہ اگلا دور عورتوں کا ہوگا عورت حکمران ہوگی
پر میرا جواب یہ تھا کہ مجھے تو حکمرانی کا شوق ہی نہیں
I think fedrick nitczhe couldn't be more right when he said "
Life would be a mistake without music
That quote I agree with.
@@Taimur_Laalمیٹھا میٹھا ہپ ہپ کڑوا کڑوا تھو تھو۔
Saala tu ek na jayaz bacha han@@Taimur_Laal
then why do i hate music ?
@@sahohbhai1774 آپ تیمور بھائی اور الطاف حسین کا گیت "پردے میں رہنے دو" سنتے ہوں گے۔ ان دونوں کے علاوہ آپ کوئی بھی گیت سنیں، اللہ کے فضل سے افاقہ ہو گا اور میوزک آپ کو اچھی لگنے لگے گی۔
میں خود جب میوزک سے جان چھڑانا چاہتا ہوں تو تیمور بھائی کا گیت سن لیتا ہوں۔ تیمور بھائی پکے میراثی تو ہیں نہیں۔
Muzzamil is so calm, unbiased young voice of Pakistan against minority persecution.
Though you have cleared your point of mentioning muzamil in your video, the discrepancy still remains ridiculous. If you don't mean to criticize or degrade him then you must not deny the fact of using his picture and name as a click bait in order to attract audience and engage them.
You cannot agree with someone completely.
Whatever they case is, every philosopher i.e. every individual is important. And this is what, individuality also teaches us. Every person's views are important whether it's the opinion of Muzamil, Dr,Thamur or someone else. To maintain the equality and peace, we should prioritize the individuality. Just try and celebrate the diversity.
No he never said he never said that he agrees with all of nietzsche's philosphy, he mentioned some of his sexist reviews which he was frowned upon.
وہی ھے صاحب امروز جس نے اپنی ہمت سے/ زمانے کے سمندر سے نکالا گوھر فردا ۔
Sir love your content, wouldnt suggest stooping to these tactics for views.
Best!
Irfan
Btw ...sir Muzammil asked in his many interviews that he didn't agreed on whole philosophy of Neitzsche .
Shah sb always keen to learn more and more new profound ideas he didn't idealise or declare Neitzsche a perfect one. He criticizes neitzsche in many sectors
Thanks sir,,
Why you mentioned sir muzammil? .
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To get views I mean that's why I clicked
If I'm not wrong Nietzsche had contracted syphilis and he died alone without ever having any meaningful relationships
Don't understand from where you started and where you went and what was the purpose including Muzammil in there in which he has the same perspective as you have(by Criticising Nietzsche on misogyny)
Pleasure listening to you and presenting an aspect of his personality not known to laymen.
Sir ...
Kindly css 2024 k liay important questions bta dy css k liay
Nietzsche k views to bohat neech hain...
Thanks for your services 🤝
Can someone offer constructive criticism of Nietzsche's perspective on ( Western ) women in light of the acceptance and popularity of "50 Shades of Grey" ?
I fully agree that Mr. Muzammil has a limited research on any topic that he discusses and need to improve his readings complete on any topic of not only the writer he focuses & his contemporaries
That's not my argument.
You are always right, sir.
I like your Lecture on different subject but it dose mean that i totally agree on your every view. I have found human being very complicated creature many time you contradicted with your own view.
So keep it up both of you and teach us for free thanks for both of you.
7:56 abhe lal tamatar, modest doesn't mean jukhna, it means haya
😂 true
You can comment with humility and say in against to his thoughts.
No. That is just our translation. Its actual meaning is: unassuming in the estimation of one's abilities or achievements.
I knew you wouldn't understand Nietzsche. Let me explain a basic concept: there's philosophy, which is timeless, and then there are philosophers, who are bound to their era. Philosophy transcends time, but philosophers are products of their time. Now, consider the conditions for women from 1844 to 1900. No one would be criticized for buying slaves in ancient Arabia before the arrival of the Prophet, right? The rules and laws of a society can be judged according to the era in which they exist. Nietzsche often incorporates his personal experiences and opinions into his philosophy, setting him apart from other philosophers. His work resonated with readers of his time because they could relate to his views. This is a significant reason why Muzamil frequently quotes him; many of Nietzsche's opinions and experiences remain relevant even today.
وہ ایسا بھی نکلے گا میں حیران ہوں اب تک. . . . . . . مسلسل سوچتا ہوں میری حیرت کم نہیں ہوتی
We must not skimm over the quotes without considering their historical context. What Nietzsche wrote could be seen as a reflection of society's attitudes towards women during his era. Perhaps he was merely observing and describing societal behaviors rather than explicitly endorsing or rejecting them. Manto could be a good parallel?
And that's why probably Iqbal was utterly impressed by this gentleman!
Dr shb please have a look in Sindh danger issues like murder of dr shahnawaz kumbhar and mdcat 24 paper leak issue
Thank you for this informative video. Syed se yaad aya, Nietzsche was also against equality of common people with respectable high born people. Sir gee kabhi aap zaat paat ki taareekh pr video banaiye ga. wo kaise hindustan ke har ehed m thrive kiya transhistorically regardless of religion. iss process ki koi jadaliyati mantiq h? ab bhi capitalism m kyu aur kaise raej h? socialisto ka caste pr kya moqif rha h aur ab kya hona chahiye?
After listening to this lecture it’s look Nietzsche was TALBAN of Europe 😂
Lou salome rejected his marriage proposal and by this was his ego may have been hurt. She was beautiful woman philosopher but married another guy
The sanskrit word for philosophy is "Darshan".
Means the way you see it.
One may be agree or disagree with the darshan of another, but it definitely opens a window for a new thought. Bringing it to action is debatable ( thats what we call "shastrarth")
Shoaib Malik and this video on same day
Muzammil is a Sayyed and he is mostly loved by Shia Brothers in Pakistan.
He is not much intelligent but smart and handsome.
Thank you so much for introducing the young generation to Nietzsche. You were, however, completely wrong to presume that people who are antifeminists would not be interested in your lecture. They are the ones for whom this video is of utmost interest. It's like Maulavis inadvertently introducing Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza to their audience only to see them, with time, becoming one of his ardent followers.
Thank you again Professor for this gem of a video.
Mr. Taimur, i never met you in person ,although i am impressed with your versatile personality and sense of humor, huge respect for you.
Qaiser Ahmed Raja challenging you to debate.
Neitzsche never achieved his love ( Salome)
Muzamil has a very shallow approach to things. His lies have been debunked multiple times. I did, however, see his replies to the comments against him. Sadly, Muzamil turned out to be nothing more than a troll
Trolled by whom?? Common Pakistanis?? Their cognitive power is even a standard to judge someone's intellectual level?? Lol
The man who inspired Nazis, and those who are unaware of Nietzsche, I would like to mention that he was Andrew Tate, a figure from the 19th century
Well a person experiencing the depth of Nietzsche's words wouldn't have said it. Teimur Sir, his beyond good and evil says it openly that we shouldn't judge things for being good or bad or through any lense but through the lenses of reality.
His views against women was triggered by his upbringing and relations with women.
He was rejected by lou salome 🤣
Apko muzamil ko reference NHI Lena chahye that sir.
But the vedio is very informative for us.I am shocked to hear that
It sure exposes a lot of confused individuals who idealise him. His quotes sound like something written next to ultra-right-wing 'murghi wala' like "Achi aurat aur badkar aurat ki nishanian". Unsurprisingly I've seen this fellow quote new illiberal Atheists who are of same views.
Critiquing Western philosophers: overlook their inhumane views, celebrate the rest. Critiquing a religious scholar: disagree, and suddenly all their valuable scholarly contributions are deemed unacceptable. Talk about a double standard! :)
Change is, in my opinion, occurring with the AI more quickly than ever thanks to the internet. The shift cannot be stopped.
kindly make a series on the neitzsches philosophy and his point of views
Sir i have done mba hr from muet but i am not being given acceptance letter for phd from economics professor. Am i not eligible to do phd economics kindly guide.
Nietzche sounds like a typical villager. I believe some of his thought would be from his personal experiences with girls, but I would must say that if girls or boys will not be true educated they may have such qualities in them. Some of the qualities which he mentioned are even currently exisiting in uneducated women and even in men. When I say uneducated it is not the peice of paper whatever degree it is having on that.
Most of the problems can be solve with the true spirit of education and being an intellectual. People like you sir, and other podcaster who are providing us information and different opinoins are indeed doing a great work.
Comrade, thumbnail pe muzamil Hussain q??
The best thing about Nietzsche is that he never married but he has relationship with someone.
Excellent agreed 100❤
Muzamil bhae is a legend 🎉
Thought provoking
Nietzsche was an incel long before even the Internet was invented where incels were first discovered.
Now neitzsche is my new ideal. 🥲
I think Neichze wrote all of this when his love affairs broke with a girl😂
You both are love. ❤
Plz make a video about Nietsche being against liberalism.
We should keep in perspective the era during which Neitzche's writings took place, after all it was in the backdrop of the Victorian age with all it's chivalry and pre-industrial values.
Salaam ji, I feel Hegel and Heidegger were the true traditional philosophers from the German world. otherwise yes Nietzsche works on critique of modernity is worth reading and is worth doing critical thinking.
And we should do critical thinking regarding the present reality of the liberal idea of Feminism and healthy Patriarchy is must to safeguard the family and faith.
Healthy patriarchy?? 😂
It is not healthy for us at all
wth...a deadlly collaboration of Muzzamil and Nietzsche.😂😂
Thanks for letting us know other side of picture.
He studies the subject properly and then moves to v- log
Sir we are waiting for your debate with Qaisar Ali Raja
What was the point of mentioning Muzammil in the first and last few minutes when the whole video is about cherry-picked quotes from Nietzsche? Just to get some extra views from his followers?
Muzammil never said Nietzsche was his spiritual _murshid_ or something.
Sir, just wondering, in your estimation is the show 'Outlander' a correct depiction of Scottish history?
But he is still included in the list of intellectuals
For Nietzsche, Socialism destroys humanity by insisting upon Equality when there is no such thing as Equality. In his opinion, people are naturally unequal, and he divided people into two groups: the “rare” nobility and the “common” rabble
Sir, his philosphy indirectly promote capitalism
and capitalism carrys patriarchy
So one should not expect something like frederick angle,s concept on women from nietzche
A very privileged spoiled brat agreeing with his views makes sense, but a poor man from a third world country blindly supporting him is baffling. A peak example of inferiority complex and munchausen syndrome.
true
Waiting for Muzzammil's reply now
I think Nietzsche's views about women were mostly born out the rejection he faced by some Russian intellectual, whom he had an unrequited love affair with. That made him miserable and bitter. But ofc that's no justification to write appalling things about women.
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