The Ross really isn't that complicated. Look at the part economy in the combination magazine interrupter and bolt stop (a weak point of the design incidentally).
It reminds me of the M1 Garand eighth round stoppage saga. Here's a tip for anyone working at a factory: Ask the designer before you start 'improving' his design by omitting parts of the manufacturing process!
@@Iowa599 That didn't work for the M1 Garand. Designers often make mistakes. Maufacturers do too. Don't trust any one person blindly. The best results happen when people work together.
@@Pcm979 mechanics make things that work, or they aren't mechanics. The M1 must have been made by artists, because they're good at making shit that looks cool but doesn't work.
@@Iowa599 When the M1 was first produced they drilled of a tiny pice at the top of a gide for the clip, which caused the rifle to malfunction on the 7th round if the clip was inserted with the top round on the right. It made drilling the hole for the barrel easier so they did it, without informing the designers.
It's a rare treat! but so very exciting to find that a designer, of any tool, thought about the end user and included something to make their use of the tool easier.
The Italian ordnance people in that era don’t get enough credit. The Bodeo and Carcano are shining examples of extremely simple and producible guns. Yet somehow people waste that praise on the Mosin and the Russian Nagant.
If it weren’t for a certain untimely presidential death more Carcano ammunition would be available for us to appreciate their fine fit for purpose rifle. Between the raw raw American attitudes about their guns, weird obsession with German guns and the ignoble incident with the Carcano it’s simply relegated to being for the most part a wall hanger.
Russian Mosin is a broom stick and barrel compared to a Carcano. At least you don't need a hammer to open the bolt on a Carcano. Now the Finn's Mosin version is a different story all together
@@scoutdogfsr Gonna have to disagree with you there. The Carcano is a simpler design and it works better. Sergei Mosin was a genius but he was shot in the foot by the idiotic requirements imposed by the corrupt Tsarist committees in charge of rifle adoption. Particularly forcing him to stick with both rimmed rounds *and* horizontal locking lugs, which is the reason for the rail along the bottom that causes the bolt’s mushiness and the notoriously finicky interruptor.
@@TenaciousTrilobite I think you miss read my post or I am incorrect in reading yours. I love the Carcano line of rifles and cabines. Very simple, lightweight and an effective cartridge even if people dismiss it. Either way brother we are both men of arms.
That's nifty! I love guns you can take apart with only the gun itself. Like the Mosin with the screwdriver tip bayonet, and the bolt that you can use the bottom piece to take out the firing pin
Beardy, Rewatching the Bodeo episode and the clip spring vice is shown in the 1886 patent shown on screen at 6:26 bottom center. We all missed it despite being shown in the patent!
I always find it wonderful when a gun has a built in tool for working on it. It connects me with the engineer that designed it. He knew that someone, me, would be holding their design, and he knew I needed the tool, so he gave it to me.
Brilliant. Taking a look at the earlier Bodeo video, it *appears* as if this feature is depicted in the patent drawing. I wonder if it described in the patent text?
For a brief moment I was worried because self disassembly of the kinetic kind. But then I remembered its the Bodeo, its ammo surely isn't powerful enough for that as well over 100 years of use proof.
@@carlcarlton764 That was the Chamelot Delvigne cartridge, C&Rsenal says 175gr at 248ms for the updated Bodeo cartridge, adopted 1890 th-cam.com/video/YsYdctMPAKk/w-d-xo.html
Yeah I used to be surprised at all the things on old surplus rifles that could be disassembled only using the tip of the bullet. Or the times I was asked what the ring in a Mauser stock was for. I stumbled on it out of curiosity one day. lol. Also never underestimate a soldiers ability to LOSE things lol
When I read 'gun disassembles itself' I expect it to be a case when a gun is that bad it falls apart while shooting. Very cool to learn that I my expectations were wrong
I have never owned one before. I have seen one at a gun show once I should have bought it. I didn't know anything about them and I didn't know if it was a good price or not.
This is the earliest captive screw I've seen in a firearm.( I have a Ph.YT in firearms history - I watch Othian and Ian.) Amazing how long it took for the concept to be widely used in military (or any) firearms.
To keep on with Italian firearms, the Brixia 1913 has the first magazine safety I've seen on a pistol. The most impressive thing is that it was composed of exactly ONE part. A flat spring that, if not pushed aside by the magazine, interferes with the trigger, locking it.
Totally surprised! I was expecting SPROING! all fiddly bits disappear under table, at least that's what happened the only time I took a clock apart to see time fly.
I personally love shooting my Bodeo. Load it with cut down .44spl cases and swaged down .427 dia slugs. No need for healed bullets if the case is short enough since the original round is tapered. A few grains of Bullseye and yer ready to go.
I think the Bodeo is a shining example of the disconnect between designers and users that was so prevalent at the time, it is a mechanically clever and well though firearms but the ergonomy is crap and the ejecting rod was antiquated even for the time, this are the sort of things you can only figure out if you use the gun in an active context instead of doing everything on a drafting board.
How did you not know this? It is in almost every Bodeo forum online. You found all kinds of obscure facts, but not this? I wondered why you hadn't mentioned it before.
But my mother's currently engaged in a death struggle with the forces of radiology reports. The slightest interruption could distract her from the epic contest, and spoil all of her herculean efforts!
The humble Bodeo - simple enough for even the 1800's Italian army to make; and more importantly - to *use*. Nice.
Always love guns that include in their design their own disassembly tools, the true all-in-one packages
The Bodeo is the hobbit of guns, you can learn all about its ways in a month and yet after 100 years, it can still surprise you.
😂 so true ... Full marks to the big guy for putting it all together though.
Othias: Loves the Bodeo because of how simple it is.
Mae: Loves the Ross because of how complicated it is.
The Ross really isn't that complicated. Look at the part economy in the combination magazine interrupter and bolt stop (a weak point of the design incidentally).
It reminds me of the M1 Garand eighth round stoppage saga. Here's a tip for anyone working at a factory: Ask the designer before you start 'improving' his design by omitting parts of the manufacturing process!
Don't trust the designer. Trust the mechanic that makes the designers drawing out of metal.
@@Iowa599 That didn't work for the M1 Garand.
Designers often make mistakes. Maufacturers do too. Don't trust any one person blindly. The best results happen when people work together.
@@Pcm979 mechanics make things that work, or they aren't mechanics. The M1 must have been made by artists, because they're good at making shit that looks cool but doesn't work.
@@Iowa599 When the M1 was first produced they drilled of a tiny pice at the top of a gide for the clip, which caused the rifle to malfunction on the 7th round if the clip was inserted with the top round on the right. It made drilling the hole for the barrel easier so they did it, without informing the designers.
@@lordsimonicus3479 they were artists, they modified a proven design.
th-cam.com/video/s5V_qIZEOUg/w-d-xo.html
It's a rare treat! but so very exciting to find that a designer, of any tool, thought about the end user and included something to make their use of the tool easier.
The Italian ordnance people in that era don’t get enough credit. The Bodeo and Carcano are shining examples of extremely simple and producible guns. Yet somehow people waste that praise on the Mosin and the Russian Nagant.
If it weren’t for a certain untimely presidential death more Carcano ammunition would be available for us to appreciate their fine fit for purpose rifle. Between the raw raw American attitudes about their guns, weird obsession with German guns and the ignoble incident with the Carcano it’s simply relegated to being for the most part a wall hanger.
@@john-paulsilke893 PPU 6.5 was pretty cheap until the pandemic and the recent Carcano imports. I was getting it at .60-.65 per round.
Russian Mosin is a broom stick and barrel compared to a Carcano. At least you don't need a hammer to open the bolt on a Carcano. Now the Finn's Mosin version is a different story all together
@@scoutdogfsr Gonna have to disagree with you there. The Carcano is a simpler design and it works better.
Sergei Mosin was a genius but he was shot in the foot by the idiotic requirements imposed by the corrupt Tsarist committees in charge of rifle adoption. Particularly forcing him to stick with both rimmed rounds *and* horizontal locking lugs, which is the reason for the rail along the bottom that causes the bolt’s mushiness and the notoriously finicky interruptor.
@@TenaciousTrilobite I think you miss read my post or I am incorrect in reading yours. I love the Carcano line of rifles and cabines. Very simple, lightweight and an effective cartridge even if people dismiss it. Either way brother we are both men of arms.
That's nifty! I love guns you can take apart with only the gun itself. Like the Mosin with the screwdriver tip bayonet, and the bolt that you can use the bottom piece to take out the firing pin
1911s too.
"The Bodeo is a gun that loves you. The Bodeo loves you so much it knows your an idiot." Othais' most legendary words.
Beardy,
Rewatching the Bodeo episode and the clip spring vice is shown in the 1886 patent shown on screen at 6:26 bottom center. We all missed it despite being shown in the patent!
Honestly the bodeo is my favorite revolver, not just because I'm Italian but for its simple design that shows what good engineering should be
I always find it wonderful when a gun has a built in tool for working on it. It connects me with the engineer that designed it. He knew that someone, me, would be holding their design, and he knew I needed the tool, so he gave it to me.
That is an amazing amount of forethought by the designers.
Could we get a “the Bodeo loves you” T-shirt ?
Y'know, I'd probably buy that shirt too...
So simple and elegant, disassembly tool right in the gun. Beautiful
Now I want a bodeo reproduction in a modern cartridge. Too bad that would only have a market of Me.
I take a modern 1883 Reichsrevolver in .44 Magnum and a New Bodeo (of course no Iron Frame) in .357 Magnum plz :-D
@@Jargolf86 I think the 1883 should be .44 Russian or special. Not sure magnum would fit in an same length cylinder.
@@Primarch359 we talk about a new Reichsrevolver, just lenghten the Thing a bit, for .44 Magnum to fit, it dosent Matter anymore xD
@@Jargolf86 why not .454 or .460? 🤣
@@john-paulsilke893 keep it Real :D
"This Bodeo Loves You" is my favorite Neko Case song.
Next guineapig must be Bodeo! Smart, cuddly and love you.
One is never to old to learn! .........I've had my Bodeo for about 50 years, and didn't relate to the use of that gap! Thanks for the clip!
I was always impressed with the machine fit concept and learned alot from it.
The drink stirrer is destined to become iconic on work benches worldwide.
"The Bodeo loves you"
That's how I felt when I learned how the original 1911 design contained all the tools needed to detail strip it inside itself.
Very helpful as I have two of them. I have a ton of old guns you would like to see..
To be that old and that amazing have to agree with Othias.
Agree, hug your mother and your father because when they are gone you will miss them.
I now love the Bodeo even a little more.
Incredibly informative and entertaining, as always. Keep up the phenomenal work guys!
*WAY* cool, Othias! Thanks for the lesson!
That's heckin' neato, what sublime design
Bodeo: I love you, you love me, please shoot me at that guy from Austria-Hungary…
"Hug your mother and have a good one."
Words to live by.
Brilliant. Taking a look at the earlier Bodeo video, it *appears* as if this feature is depicted in the patent drawing. I wonder if it described in the patent text?
Now we just have to find out what the wooden grip part can be used for.
You could probably use the internal surface as a primitive soft mallet in case you need to put a little bit more force on the ejector.
Surprisingly, I have found that it’s very useful for when you’re gripping the gun
Maybe the inside is hollow and you can use it as a spoon?
@@Seelenschmiede it holds the exact right amount of BP to load all six cylinders. 🤣
If you ever need a couple pieces of good firewood to brew your espresso with the moka
For a brief moment I was worried because self disassembly of the kinetic kind. But then I remembered its the Bodeo, its ammo surely isn't powerful enough for that as well over 100 years of use proof.
The 10.4mm Italian Ordnance propels a 175gr projectile to 250m/s, so, energy wise, it's equivalent to a .38sp +P.
@@neutronalchemist3241 That would not be bad at all but CRsenal says 179gr at just 175 m/s. So just 130 foot pounds. Pocket pistol territory.
@@carlcarlton764 That was the Chamelot Delvigne cartridge, C&Rsenal says 175gr at 248ms for the updated Bodeo cartridge, adopted 1890 th-cam.com/video/YsYdctMPAKk/w-d-xo.html
You guys are awesome! This is the reason people watch ya’ll!
That little detail is commonly known in Italian collectors circles, I thought was known also elsewhere, I was wrong...
Yeah I used to be surprised at all the things on old surplus rifles that could be disassembled only using the tip of the bullet. Or the times I was asked what the ring in a Mauser stock was for. I stumbled on it out of curiosity one day. lol. Also never underestimate a soldiers ability to LOSE things lol
When I read 'gun disassembles itself' I expect it to be a case when a gun is that bad it falls apart while shooting. Very cool to learn that I my expectations were wrong
Very cool. The Bodeo has always been an interesting revolver.
Thanks! I had no idea.
I don’t care what anyone says, the Bodeo is a gem and I love it.
That is so awesome! I love when smart people design things.
That'll be amazing for the next time I need to replace a worn part on my Bodeo.
I have never owned one before. I have seen one at a gun show once I should have bought it. I didn't know anything about them and I didn't know if it was a good price or not.
I feel your pain. Years ago I had a choice between a Bodeo and a Belgian knockoff of a Monte Negrin. I chose - poorly....
Brilliant! And simple too...
very lovely thanksgiving message
That's pop bottle opener on a Galil cool.
Single spring.... Probably Bill Ruger's favorite revolver, too.
One question..
Where can I get a Bodeo in 357 Magnum?
For daily carry.
It is really a sort of 44 Special.
That is remarkably clever.
I personally think more revolvers should be made like this. Simple and easy to use.
This is the earliest captive screw I've seen in a firearm.( I have a Ph.YT in firearms history - I watch Othian and Ian.) Amazing how long it took for the concept to be widely used in military (or any) firearms.
To keep on with Italian firearms, the Brixia 1913 has the first magazine safety I've seen on a pistol. The most impressive thing is that it was composed of exactly ONE part. A flat spring that, if not pushed aside by the magazine, interferes with the trigger, locking it.
That is the coolest thing I pulled mine out just to see and that's awesome
Gotta say, that took some thinking to design. Nice!
Outstanding!
How did this unique thingy finally come to light?
Somewhat common knowledge in Italian circles but never really translated to English because it’s so esoteric.
No way!... 🙂
I wish I could collect one. Unfortunately I am not living it that kind of country...
Cool tool!
I think in many country this gun count as an antique
Totally surprised! I was expecting SPROING! all fiddly bits disappear under table, at least that's what happened the only time I took a clock apart to see time fly.
Oh, such a neat solution.
Outstanding 👍
You had me at "captive thumbscrew" Even modern revolvers can be a bear to service t his is neat.
I personally love shooting my Bodeo. Load it with cut down .44spl cases and swaged down .427 dia slugs. No need for healed bullets if the case is short enough since the original round is tapered. A few grains of Bullseye and yer ready to go.
So really just need a small bottle/flask of oil and a brush in the kit to keep the thing going. That is sweet.
I suppose we should all remember better Carlo Bodeo for designing this little jewel.
I love you too, Bodeo.
Ah, this just makes me want a new production Bodeo. The revolver is way cool
Great video
Brilliant!
I think the Bodeo is a shining example of the disconnect between designers and users that was so prevalent at the time, it is a mechanically clever and well though firearms but the ergonomy is crap and the ejecting rod was antiquated even for the time, this are the sort of things you can only figure out if you use the gun in an active context instead of doing everything on a drafting board.
Ahh, the Bodacious Bodeo humbly hiding it's attributes in plain sight.
Thanks
Any advice on where to find Bodeo parts? I am missing a disassembly screw/lever.
That was Brilliant
I want TWO OF 'EM!
If you have not watched the Primer on the Bodeo...
GO WATCH THE PRIMER ON THE BODEO!!!!!
(Dang it Beardy, now I want one even more!!!)
How did you not know this? It is in almost every Bodeo forum online. You found all kinds of obscure facts, but not this? I wondered why you hadn't mentioned it before.
Reminds me of the ruger sp101.
Is there a modern counter part of a bodeo?
The Bodeo is love
That’s so cool! So sad that this type of engineering isn’t more common.
Well, I love the Bodeo too
The're aren't enough things out there that just love you. Be nice if we had products designed like this in this day and age.
The gun that comes with the key to the door of the room with the key.
So, you're saying that the Bodeo side plate is the earlier equivalent to the AK-47 cleaning kit. It can do everything.
Nice.
I learned that you learned something I did not know.
That's cool as hell!
Go and hug your mother is an excellent piece of advice that should be taken advantage of any opportunity given!!! 🤠👍
Hot damn! That's freakin' slick!
Now THAT, was cool.
Damn, I love revolvers...
That is too cool!
Welp, i need a Bodeo.
Oh I need that!
But my mother's currently engaged in a death struggle with the forces of radiology reports. The slightest interruption could distract her from the epic contest, and spoil all of her herculean efforts!
Amazing!
That's so cool.
beauty in engineering, you blew my mind.
When we get around to the 1911 and show its tool-less complete disassembly… ❤️
Brilliant KISS engineering
So cool!!!
Now if the barrels wouldn’t keep unscrewing