Hi Harry, just to let you know I'm currently a 15 year old kid who fell in love with typology and I see my own personality type as a mystery waiting to be solved. So in conclusion, I'm just psyched to hear that you too started your personality type journey at the age of 15 and it makes me feel hopeful right now that I will one day know my type and say the words "case solved" .
Hi! Indeed it can take many years to find your true type, but I can assure you the journey is very worthwhile and there's no harm taking breaks every now and again to consider other paradigms!
I'm 19 year old and found out about this personality study 2 years ago. I was mystyped by 16personalities as an INFP-T. (what is the assertive and turbulent thing? => smth about your emotional predisposition to be more inclined to either positive or negative feelings, or better said adaptive or directive Fe and seelie or unseelie Fi, I guess...) •I dont recomend begining this psychology journey before 19-20 years old since babies, kids and teens are still developing their mental capacities until they reach the peak somewhere in their twenties, not near the thirties. •The risk involved in this is being traped in a constant loop of re-evaluating your day-to-day choices by labeling them to certain cognitive funtions and different combinations of cognitive functions(Fe-Se, Si-Te, Ni-Ti-Fe...), despite the fact you may not posses correct interpretations on jungian psychology.A continous process like that it's painful for the psyche. •Even though its cool to know a lot of things while you are still young and curios, some things are better done at their time. :)
@@kaizokuwan5282, it's cool to pay attention to your choices and prefferences in order to understand why you think, feel and respond to the world in a certain way.Im glad to finnally know: 1. Why I preffer Ti over Fe since Im a double introverted individual: Ni-Ti; 2.Why I struggled (and still do) with Te(having a robotic default, being the most detached from the social atmosphere in order to reach your own goals, being an excelent multitasker, being ok with paying attention to external facts why may oppose yours; 3.Why Se is still unconcious and needs a lot of time to get better;
Another thing I am picking up on from this video.. Most people have no clue what Fe looks like. People can be sharing intelligent thought while also using Fe as a tool.
Indeed, and it is most often the most effective means to do so, all the while being an integral source of information from which much of such thought springs!
@@CognitivePersonality yup!! I have had these functions running in the background trying to codify things while talking to people for about 8 years now. I share bits as I go, but I have been procrastinating putting all of the pieces together in a formal way. Fe is an excellent tool for figuring out how people work and cracking these codes that we're interested in. Thank you for being an inspiration! I really do need to bite the bullet and put pen to paper more often. :/
Lol, a tear fell out of my eye because your words are so emotional to me It's hard to look inside for our own feelings. Maybe that is why we focus on the feelings of others.
@36:36 the trouble is that MBTI inherently relies on a level of self-knowledge and introspection that many do not seem to possess. When it comes to self-testing, I have instructed others to "drop the act" and answer each question from their baseline, childlike, most comfortable, and purest inner preferences. This seems to help some people separate their "work persona" from who they are at the core, at least when testing. Some struggle anyway. Those who struggle seem to have far less interest in typology in general, and have a hard time holding a conversation on the topic, so we end up getting nowhere. If the goal is to use typology to inspire since kind of a mass enlightenment and promote collaborative relationships, then the value of this needs to be "sold" to each type according to their own values. This is the only hope we have. As INFJs, we have the capacity to more easily identify others' motivations and preferences, so we need to remember to use this information effectively (however challenging it may be) to communicate the importance of this mission...
I definitely forced myself to hide my emotional side when I was young and I’m trying to learn to use that childlike comfortable persona in a natural way and not force myself to hide or show it.
This was very helpful to understanding an INFJ. You are super theoretical. Very deeply theoretical. And your language is very intellectual. You are like a young, Carl Jung. I'm so glad you went to the source and looked at his writings. It seems that encountering MBTI at 15 is so young. I didn't come across it until I was 32. I typed correctly as an INFP. That was 30 years ago. I am always perfectly willing to be something else, but in listening to your fabulous new way of codifying, I relate to all of your INFP explanations. I love this typology. I could never go as deep as you have in your theoretical ability. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I see you as equal to Jung. A brilliant, insightful, INFJ.
I can relate: as an INFJ I have a degree of detachment with people because my feelings cognitive functions aren’t apparent to them though my feelings certainly, informs my thinking.
Great stuff, man. You are truly making a great contribution to the field of cognitive functions. As an INFJ myself, this whole thing is already fascinating, but the way you explain it helps to understand the intrinsic yet unexplored value that this theory could possess in helping others.
I find your CP theory and especially INFJ description to be one the most accurate definitions ever represented on MBTI/personality theory videos.Your theory works because it does reflect the reality of how cognitive stacks function in each type. It's quite impressive. I think I've settled my type after 10 years of reflection and searching. I'm INFJ as well, but always thought I was way too much on edge with F/T dichotomy, nearly always tested as INTJ. I'm a musician and composer as well. Thank you for being awesome
I freaking LOVE your videos, every time I try to REALLY listen to what you’re saying not just hearing but rather really listening to remember it and add it to my inner puzzle of understanding mbti
The idea that many INFJs can be conflict-avoidant in their formative years and therefore may manifest as something else until later in life is so true. I was a “Classic INFP” until I became a widower and left my office for more people-facing roles. Then I slowly “transformed” into an INFJ. Looking at the cognitive functions now, I realize that I was always an INFJ but that I just hadn’t allowed my Fe to come into its own. I still struggle with (and sometimes resent), the weight of the world, but understanding better how God made me has granted me access to incredible resources that I hadn’t realized were at my disposal all along. Videos like yours are like finally getting around to reading the owner’s manual. Thanks!
Except real life INFPs aren't conflict avoidant at all. It's a shitty stereotype based on mistyped xSFJs, whereas actual INFPs can be actually cold and confrontational when brought to their limits.
This is why I love your channel Thanks for the detailed insight. Your right you can take endless tests but it ultimately leads to the same conclusion. That being self reflection and introspection are needed along with alot of research into the "self". I think a very overlooked aspect of typology in regards to INFJ's is something nobody but the INFJ could really understand. The fact that an intense need to understand others can and often does cause a blur before the clarity you spoke of. The sense of self or ability to properly identify your objectively unbiased view of yourself. To see patterns and in those patters find relation points to anchor and give comfort. To begin comfortable interactions. Its a selfless automatic act with others emotional interests in mind first. That means to be objective one has to see all sides. Emphatically and logically at the same time I believe is a requirement to actually be non subjective in a situation. Its taxing though and not something that you can really explain to someone else but I'm sure you get it. My point is being a mirror of sorts its easy to relate to with verybody. Where do they begin and I end? How do you introspectely answer a question if the very way we think is always putting the self in others shoes? To look inward when observing ourselves is always done externally even in the mind. A metaphysical relation of the self thru the feelings and eyes of someone else. Instead of what choice would I make it becomes how would this choice effect others. This makes figuring out your an INFJ almost unfairly difficult but then once you know it actually makes simple sense. Being honest I found your channel when I was mistyped. I've had intp, intj even entp and enfp. What you said was 100% correct things change once you realize wow I have this other function I was not really utilizing. I especially resonated with what you said about what your research reading and efforts always end up point towards, "people"! Yes exactly. I didn't even realize I've said it so many times to others I was helping in the past that helping you helps me too or the more I learn about you and make connections it helps me grow too. Nobody every understood what I meant so I was blown away when you said it. I'll recommend your channel more than I already do because honestly it's sad to see the level of misinformation online. I actually dodged even reading about this type when I started simply because everyone seemed to identify with it and I'm not a fan of going thru that judgment because "rough childhood" is right. Its not always bubbly happy sage level jargon. Its not always fun to understand but end up in a one sided situation. I watched your video on narcism as well and I couldnt believe the level of relations i could identify in it. 7-8 years ago i started researching mental health and the tree branched from there. Typology and this is where I've arrived. In relating i did self question am I this do I have this disorder am I possibly a borderline etc. What I learned is typology explains most common errors in diagnosing people with misunderstood personality cognitive processes. Especially the INFJ seemingly on a quest to understand everyone and find also their path and self as well. I wouldn't be surprised if other infj males out in the world have no idea about typology theory and end up misdiagnosed with a disorder or fail to thrive and reach their true potential because of it. That to me is beyond sad. So from one late bloomer to another thank you for your insights hard work and effort what your sharing with the world does make help and makes a difference man!
Wow, thanks Stephen - I read all of that and thoroughly enjoyed it! You've come to very similar conclusions to myself on that matter; it is indeed true that certain 'disorders' are nothing more than a certain variations of cognitive function interaction. While it would be untrue to call any one type 'a disorder', it is nonetheless the case that certain types are more likely to exhibit a certain kind of intelligence or identity-formulation than others. I also agree that various disorders are not only labelled negatively, but also that upon receipt of diagnoses many people will overly identify with being 'flawed' in some way as a result. I really appreciate your support, thank you! :)
As you know Harry I've witnessed this a lot in clinical practice at least myself I'm really interested in the intersection between type & mental 'disorder' & neurodivergence...that's not to say that I think cognitive type & mental 'disorder' go hand in hand but rather we can see certain manifestations of a disorder in certain types; it's how it's expressed that varies. I do believe in psychiatry that we pay by far too much attention to overt symptomology than underlying cognitive processes...it can just help excavate somebodies difficulties & add a level of nuance that psychiatry doesn't. I believe there's some quite significant overlaps with the philosophy of phenomenology (I have a book on the philosophy of mental health which I'd highly recommend). As a divergent ENFJ I'm always trying to innovate upon my practice & I believe I've helped patients in a much more 'unique' way as a therapist & mental health nurse because of it. I do think unfortunately some types are constitutionally more likely to be given certain diagnosis that can be conflated with mental ill health as they're misconstrued especially when the practitioners underlying cognition is not similar (re network theory). It's still a work in progress but I believe I have some good insights; if only my TiNi+ could stay still long enough for me to manifest some of this into concrete reality! I'm after all a work in progress myself & I believe it steps from my inner INFP trying to understand myself as much as anything. I still need to book my last coaching session & I'll likely book more but you've certainly given me a new window through I can understand myself, my son (as an entp - I'm exhausted lol) & other people.
I really enjoy this video as you’ve opened yourself up enough for me to see that your mindset on this is very much how I’ve been trying to make all this feel right to me. I’ve been wanting to figure out my own true function stack, which tests have only further confused me, as to better understand how I interpret life, and then apply to understanding how others do so. I look forward to watching more of your videos, hopefully helping me better understand how I think about all this. I know I’ve struggled with the typing via tests and function stack tests, as they don’t seem to fit me, or make sense according to how they are meant to work. Much of what you’ve described here in your own functions, is how I test out in the stacking, but I consistently hit INTP, though it’s also fallen INFP, INTJ, and INFJ. So many reasons why I struggle to align with any of them.
I have a very similar story. Tested as an INTJ. Went to college for music. Dug into personality theory at the age of 22. Once I looked into it, I found out that INFJ fit me incredibly well, and instead if falling apart under scrutiny, the more I learned the more it made sense. Now I realized that I want a career where I can work with people like mental health counseling.
Hi Harry, I hope you and your loved ones are all doing well. The video was totally an eye-opener. I have no idea what my type is, and in so many ways whenever I took the test it really varied as you mentioned, thought it never really made total sense. I’m almost 28 years now, feeling so grateful to come by your channel. In my case, the thing seems harder to me because I’ve been taken this journey from a religious point of view. And I must mention, no matter how other things were hard, to me now it feels the hardest to actually ‘undo’ a certain knowledge that I’ve gained through religion or spirituality, and then star-off again. It’s hard because it feels that I’ve lost the capability to think rationally in such a creative way (using human faculties). So, watching you speaking so clearly about this subject matter brought a lot of light, for that I’m eternally thankful. And still; I also felt a bit of sadness for the time we ‘lost’ being misguided by our own rigidity that makes no place for others to come and give an advice. Thank you, Harry. Please keep it going)
I was sure that I'm an intj for long too. To be clear I was an INFP according to the test for long, but this was a period when I was super depressed, so it couldn't be clear. When I started to explore mbti area I thout I was an INTP and after that INTJ, like this type fits me so well, how can I be a feeling type. I watched videos about infjs because I found them kinda about me, but I thought this is because I'm an INTJ with strong Fi, lol. Well, I'm not gonna write here all my journey, but I'm completely sure that I'm an INFJ, even if I don't fit stereotypes. I mean, this is my cognitive functions, that's it. And thank you very much for sharing your experience, its very helpful for me. I thought that you are a thinking type, I didn't expect you being an INFJ. And I guess no one can think about me the same. Like, I thought that INFJs are actually kinda analytical and calm, isn't it? But I had no evidence, because INFJ character, INFJ celebrities, there're not to much of them, so it's difficult to judge them in common. But your video helped me, thanks)
In CPT there's actually no such thing as a thinking or feeling type just for clarification we all think & feel it's just contingent upon what element the codec is attached to - we're composites of a convergent & divergent pairing that counterbalance one another. For example I'm a divergent TiNi ENFJ & TiNi forms the 'backbone' of my cognition; I lean more heavily into TiNi than FeSe. INTJs are actually primarily limbic centred as NiFi convergent types whereas the INFJ is an abstract cerebral philosopher with convergent NiTi.
The mentioning of using the MBTI as a tool for development speaks directly to my heart. I remember having a conversation with an Enneagramm enthusiast where she said that she likes MBTI but she just doesn’t find it as helpful and possibly transforming as the Enneagramm. And what I felt at that moment was: I think the MBTI can indeed also be a great tool for development if it is dug deeper... because already back then I had the feeling that there was so much more in there (the MBTI) but I couldn’t put this sense into words so I left the conversation thinking about it a lot. So seeing someone like you believing in it equally as much is a very beautiful thing to witness. I think it has been about time, someone recognizing it and taking it to another level. So thank you again for the work you’re doing!
Thank you so much for the lovely comment! I do believe a cognitive functions based model has a limitless utility for self-development and I can't wait to start releasing videos applying CPT specifically to individual development! There's a myriad of potential applications and I want to employ them all, which is both exciting and intimidating :)
I have no doubts now that i am an INFJ thank you for all of your videos. Listening to you talk and describe yourself and your functions it's like for the first time i get to hear how my mind works the way i keep trying to explain. It's so hard to explain how i work without some smidge of function stack thrown into the explanation lol. It helps others as well. It has led me to self acceptance that's for sure. 🎉
Love hearing about you coming to own your personality type. Relate so very much to your interest in the social sciences and humanitarianism. There was such a long stretch of time I wanted to be a cognitive anthropologist bc of a class I took. Oh man, you would have loved that class. I agree so much with the idea of turning this into more of a tool for everyone than a niche trade. I usually say I think of it as a language, organic and fluid, whereby we can understand the psyche. This is so important. Keep shining your light Harry! 💛
I didn't quite get to finish the book this weekend bc a camping trip went awry due to a fire ban lol! But to anyone curious, definitely check out his book.
Cognitive anthropology sounds right up my street - sadly my education here in the UK was a lot more traditional and hard nosed! I think this system has massive potential and a countless amount of applications, which is both exciting and intimidating to think about :) A fire ban amidst camping sounds bizarre but I hope it was otherwise authentic! And no rush on the book, really glad you've enjoyed it so far.
Outstanding rant Harry, love how you break stereotypes in a lot of your videos. A true iconoclast for the sake of truth! I discovered you only a few days ago but find your calm, methodical approach way more appealing than flashy comedy examples which base themselves on blog articles and zero research. Cheers
this actually resonates a lot with me as well. When I was younger I figured I was using Fe a lot to navigate situations that were toxic/difficult by reading the vibes of people/the room to know when to lie low or who to avoid (because yes, I regularly prefer to avoid conflict) and how to cheer people up. Though I have found that being able to read people's emotions despite how they might try to hide it is a double edged blade. In the past I used to be compelled to offer assistance/advice in the hope of 'fixing' the problem which would backfire on me because people clearly disliked that I managed to see past their masks, or rather things they were terribly in denial about or refused to address and by my noticing/mentioning it made it all the more difficult to ignore. It was extremely disheartening when I used to pour all my heart and soul into encouraging someone and offering them all the possible solutions to their problems only for them to ignore me or laugh it off and continue down their destructive paths. But as I grew older I realised I am not responsible to fix other people's problems - I definitely have enough of my own haha! I still seem to attract broken people and chaos, or perhaps I simply notice the struggles they are facing because they are around me. It's difficult though because even though the emotions of others affect me I don't like to be emotional or allow it to dictate my judgements so I come across as cold and aloof and callous which is not the case. In my opinion, sometimes we just need to be brutally honest with outselves and with others and many times we are the ones causing the chaos in our own lives by ignoring the truth. Sugar coating things doesn't make them go away. Lmao I didn't expect to write a wall of text! That doesn't even cover how I figured out what box I seem to fit the most into! On my journey I eventually gave up trying to figure out which type I am and looked at the individual functions I seemed to exhibit. Then I looked at what I clearly struggle with that causes the most problems for me and then my automatic responses to try and resolve those problems and eventually came to ENTP. But I initially typed as an INFJ and then I figured I might be an INFJ with a Ti preference since I really do struggle to express affection. But then after a while I typed as an INTJ 60% INFJ 40%, only while I realised I was using Te a lot since I needed external structure because of being a mother of 4 I did not have that extensive future plan. Then I thought since I like to perform and am able to navigate several social situations comfortably that I might in fact be an esfp, but I really don't have any attachment to 'things' nor am I in any way sentimental.. Eventually I got fed up of trying to figure it out and just left it, looking for sources of 'real' manifestations of the cognitive functions and how they are embodied in different types depending on different situations as well as how they affect behavior. I also managed to leave an extremely toxic marriage a year ago and since then have been able to regain my normal mode of functioning I guess without massive spikes of undue stress/depression. So having a more clear understanding based on how I behave naturally without stress and comparing it to how I behaved when under various levels of stress in the past I was able to see which functions took the lead in certain situations. So far ENTP seems the most accurate though I wouldn't be surprised if I'm not in fact that but something else entirely 😂 it's an interesting adventure!
Oh yes all of that can apply to both INFJs and ENTPs! The good will of the ENTP and their need to fix the emotional problems within an Ne landscape make them vulnerable to toxic relationships, but the same can apply to the more outgoing INFJs too :) I'll be uploading an ENTP-dedicated video in just over an hour so I hope this will clear things up further!
When I first did an online test I got INTP, and as someone in the science and engineering field, at that time it made sense. Some years later I did several more tests and most of the time I was typed as INTJ. The description of the type seemed right so I went with it. These days I'm trying to do a bit more research, as I don't believe I'm either INTP or INTJ. I think I might be an INFJ, but at this point I'm still on my journey to self-discovery.
Thank you!! Yes I was hoping some people would get an additional benefit from this format that they didn't from others so that's totally awesome to hear :)
INFJ on a tangent? Never haha. I was given a work evaluation one time that said I was on point, but would often go on a tangent. At the time I struggled to understand it and ultimately attributed that to my ADD but I think tangents are the way our introverted thinking gets expressed into the external world, but it’s not enough to just state facts, we really have to expound, go into the ways in which something affects another and another, and ultimately brings some global cognition or understanding of the topic and then how can that contribute something to someone else’s understanding. I guess that was my tangent to say what a Ti Fe work of art. I know this video is quite old, I’ve watched much of your channel and not always in chronological order but I particularly love this after just watching a video/interview with you and Joyce the other day. I feel this video answered the questions that I left for you and Joyce, as I was struggling to understand if I could have a fluid or even dual typology between INFJ and I NTJ. I too have often tested per MBTI as INTJ but it just didn’t make sense 100%. Its so true about being more comfortable to own and have a slightly unconscious desire to flaunt the INTJ traits we identify with .. but just as you said, that is evidence in of itself that misaligns with the Fi of INTJ. The need to be acceptable, esteemed, easily assimilated to ones environment … I don’t think an INTJ would give this much thought. My comment on the interview Joyce did of you spoke about being in the military, liking a sense of order and respect of a hierarchy; I have been known to create tools, handouts, based on the army values. I think holding on to the idea that I had a very strong sense of self, felt very comfortable. As I’ve pondered on it more, much of that is actually related to being in a harmonious environment that not only gives one a sense of belonging, but allows more time and energy for the Ni Ti as the Fe has already been constructed by a set of norms for that group of people; with that in place it almost allows greater use of Fe as the cognitive tasks have a meaningful purpose to the mission and comradery of the whole. I think this is why an INFJ can be a great leader, if they are leading from a place of servanthood. Actually, I will rephrase that to say that an INFJ will only naturally progress into a leadership role if it has some meaningful impact to serve humanity. I say this with quite confidence, because it is most irritable to my core when I find myself under the leadership of someone who does not value that role, but rather the personal gains it might benefit them, especially if they are not quite skilled at the task at hand. Now my NiTi wants to step in and say step aside there’s a better way to do this. Ha I also spoke about my struggle to understand how much I enjoyed doing research, evidence based medicine, later in life.This draws upon external sources of concrete data; you said something so profound, and I don’t think I can repeat it as eloquently, so I will attempt to describe my experience. I enjoy collecting the data and following the methods meticulously but that is secondary to foremost choosing what I will test and designing the research, and later observing the data. It just makes so much sense now. I could write a 20-60pg protocol overnight. I recall people saying that it came easily for me - comments that I would respond to rather awkwardly but positively, (of course INTJ) yet it was a bit annoying if I’m being honest; they never realized that I had been planning and designing the project in my mind for quite a while before it ever hit the paper. Even the types of research that I would do … I love meta-analyses, because they are global picture of many RTC, which are the very heart of evidence based medicine, and these meta-analyses go on to create guidelines for practical use, how we practice medicine, standards of care. I took this responsibility very seriously, and was always surprised when others did not. Of course my Fe would step in, perhaps to an unhealthy degree, and pick up others slack in work in order for the greater good of the project goals and to avoid conflict. That’s not to say that there wasn’t conflict, so I’m not sure if that was my Ti getting needled or me dipping. Probably the biggest sign that my love for research can be explained by the role of FeSe in a strong NiTi is my standing rule, and if someone did a book of quotes on me, I’m sure it would be in there. We only research to publish. Because if it does not have some impact on the world around me then it’s to a degree … almost futile. Sure it’s great to come up with these things in my mind and ponder upon them but there have been many projects that were not completed due time restraints, lack of manpower etc., and their ghost lingers among my accordion files 🤓 which I will most certainly get the courage to give them a whirl in the shredder someday. This is probably the longest comment I’ve ever left. Awesome and surprised if you are still reading , but it just really helped me understand myself by watching you. I know you want to do more informational videos, but don’t forget that you and other people are informational data. Before this video, I could have explained your theory on the cognitive stack pretty well, but not until this video did I really reconcile some key Qs. It’s quite interesting, even in the way that you speak, idiosyncrasies and nuances of how you communicate, and how you think, and even how you allow us into your world of thinking … again, this is one of your best vids. I felt the same way after watching Joyce interview you, the way, the two of you interact, it had a familiarity component. Now I’m sounding like Fi or Si (?) thanks, Harry!!
I keep trying to edit my dictation mistakes in my comment, but I’m just going to leave it alone and hopefully it makes sense. Otherwise I will waste 30 minutes being a perfectionist to get every comma etc., every sentence proper.
I usually only access your information when I'm on a sorta bad obsessive loopylap and need to go to bed but fight myself, but honestly man, huge fan and I admit you have allways came off speaking my Ne-Ti through a Weird Ni-Fi lense and never understood why my best INTJ friend and INTJ mother were nothing like the INFJ thinkinGetshitdone oddballs I can count on one hand who've really stumped my conclusive understanding of the framework of the future time and time again. Thought of you as ADHD more than myself listening to your usual vids. Hell your book is the first book Ive wanted to buy in my whole life. But Im so impressed hearing you speak your truth and meaning calm and slow all at once (no edit) and speak of yourself (falling into your Fi through Si?) I really really for the first time ever don't just need to keep rewatching these "skimming plethorically hoping my cognition will magically download from the metalibrary of the universe and never be able to properly explain in the moment, well it was just wonderful. Thank you for your work. I really want to see your Axis/grid design in 3d or VR glases one day (thats how I imagine it when I listen to your theories, like pieces of a chess board, or more like Goji. PS did you get a new Mic or Real time vocal compressor plugin? Everything just clicked for me without that annoying Static CLICK. I can stop procrastinating and forgive and love all my prefered self adulterated archetypal immediate real life person of reference. (see how you slowed down and I sped up? Well when I enter the intergration mode like you just were and slow down, well the others get really energized, intuitive and bombastic. Not to mention the other guys in youtube and the community, especially the ones who have been around since like 7 years ago, everyone seems to be "Clicking into their "Non turbulant assertive final forms" Im actually going to come back, edit this comment or probably deleted it after taking a screenshot :P Also you should do a new song to celebrate the Masters and success! Gee this comment turned out longer than I had anticipated.
Great video Harry! I have learned so much from your video. It's evident in your explanation that you've put in the time to understand things in a typical INFJ fashion by putting all the pieces together and making the fundamentals more easy to understand. I feel like I've been doing the same on my own for a while now through this platform and your channel is exactly what I've been looking for! Thanks again.
This is so awesome to hear! I really appreciate your words; and yes, many hours were put into CPT (both through writing, conversation and reflection) before I felt confident enough to start communicating all this information to others :) Thanks again Chris!
@@CognitivePersonality can I ask a question? Do you have any thoughts on how mental illness/ behavioral disorders can affect our cognitive function stacks?
@@hattrick8127 Absolutely - some conditions can cause use to favour our emotional circuits over our logical circuits (F vs T) and vice versa, while various personality disorders can completely change the way in which we engage our Feeling functions. Some conditions can even affect the ways in which we employ our lenses (N vs S)! This is of course too much information to contain within a single video but I have a video on narcissism in the planning stages and there are other conditions I'd like to address over time :)
As you talked about how this whole space could grow in the future, I thought about if we started to teach this to children. So that children understand themselves on a deeper level and how their own minds and others work. In my opinion this would make a huge impact on our society if everyone knows his real strengths and weaknesses and how we can complement each other. But anyway, maybe we get there someday, but until then, thanks a lot for your great content you are helping me so much understanding myself :)
I tend to urge caution when applying such frameworks to children as I believe it is important to let them mould their own identity as much as possible - there's definitely a way to blend it in without assigning type codes, however! Thanks for the comment :)
in general, the VERY FIRST subtype of introversion/extroversion tends to be THE MOST PRONOUNCED. the second subtype of i(N)tuition/(S)ensing tends to be slightly less pronounced AND more likely than the first subtype to be more variable. the third subtype of (T)hinking/(F)eeling tends to be even less pronounced AND, it is also less about how you express yourself and more about how you interpret the world around you. therefore, because it isnt a measure of the way you express yourself and more a measure of the way you interpret the world around you, most people find this to be a shaky subtype to nail down. the fourth subtype is REALLY MUCH LESS OF A DICHOTOMY and MORE as a gauged spectrum of perception. think of (J)udging like hyper-extended/super-powered (P)erceiving. and, that is because in order to have sound judgement you must also have clear perception.
CPT is amazing! I think that, out of all of the models based on Jungs psychological functions, it's the one which mix his original teachings with Myers Briggs "update" in the most efficient way!
Thanks for sharing your journey. I know a lil about a lot of systems and there's this bugging feeling of lack of congruence, usually due to those online descriptions you mentioned. I am excited for this channel's current and future content cause it honestly keeps making sense 😁 Side note, your discovery about the aux function(s) after going to the primary source is something I felt would happen, if i was not so lazy lol. It's encouraging me to actually give it a go.
I really appreciate your comment! I'm excited too and I'm thankful for your support :) Haha yes it took a lot of motivation to go all the way back to dig into the primary source!
I took an MBTI test in high school for career guidance reasons, and I felt uncomfortable with the F result. I didn't feel like a feeler, I felt like a thinker, like almost an all thinking person. I felt that everyone else was more feely than me, but I didn't know about the cognitive functions behind the code at the time or how they worked. Now that I understand the Fe function better it's helped me make sense of a lot events throughout my life. One for example being a breakdown I had when attempting to read my essay in front of class. I realize my experience of Fe is like a sponge for picking up other people's feelings and getting up in front of the class with all the eyes, thoughts and feelings on me was like staring at the sun, and beyond overwhelming for me and I had a break down and had to step outside to recover. In school I intentionally kept to myself to reduce my interactions to keep my interactions with individuals more specific and hopefully meaningful while observing people and learning about them from a "safer" distance. I also had this seeming talent for knowing who was dating who, and who was going to date who before there was any observable evidence to back it. So recently I came to a thought where I think the INFJ is like a natural social economist. Being able to make predictions of social behavior off bits of information in almost an organic mathematical type process, that we just get better at over time. In my head I tend to think mathematically even though I'm not doing full out equations, but with most thinking processes I do it feels almost like an optimizing curve fitting process. And the goal in this being to have found a workable model to apply all future interactions to solve the common ills most people face. I think the motivation to solve other people's problems so that I can not be overwhelmed by their feelings through my Fe function and then can one day ideally just focus on building my Ni Ti Se for all the other cool quandaries I have yet to work to solve/experience. Like my interest in better understanding and conceptualizing physics further.
I relate to many things and as I watch you I also relate to some of your mannerisms. Perhaps you are also monitoring yourself as you produce videos? hyper-awareness of self? I am detached in many ways in relation to the types shakey online profile and perpetuation of attributes people relate to the type and that can be a number of things and perhaps just neurosis in many cases. I also got more interested in people once I understood and found meaning in the knowings I had, given words or theory to then allow for better communication and to be honest, it gave me something to be a little more interesting :D it then gave me a framework in to figure the other person out as I was conversating, often it was louder and perhaps more interesting than the conversation itself. Once I understood the differences it then allowed me to know where I fit in and understand them in a way in which would avoid difficulty, for example, being too abstract to a sensor. Learning was like looking through an old telescope that once adjusted, then gave clarity to what was being viewed in an intuitive blur. Once you learn cognitive functions and how they relate it then is difficult to even look at a test again. I was tested by a certified practitioner, but even doing the tests after and then learning, I did not trust myself in some ways. It's like cheating on a test because you have seen the answers and how some tests are set up.
Yes! Cheers for such a great comment :) You hit the nail on the head there - I'm constantly monitoring my behaviour and reflecting on the words that leave my mouth as I try to steer my discourse in a way that I hope will benefit the listener while remaining authentic. This all sounds very much like my own journey; exactly, as soon as there was an application conversation became much more vigorating. Sometimes what you draw from the conversation may very well be of higher personal value than the actual exchange, for sure! I often find that with tests as it is often (though not always) painfully transparent what function is being measured by the question, leading to a strong potential for cognitive bias on our part!
This was deep. These descriptions were interesting, and I agree there is value in picking a little from multiple systems and coming to one's own conclusions. I don't think any one system has all the answers, but streamlining things in the future would be better. Haven't checked out your book yet but plan to soon. A lot of the way you described Fe here I could identify with. I am always able to read the emotions of a room, and am effected by the emotional climate of an environment, but I am not a natural host, or huggy either. I also think of humanity as a whole a lot, however I am also deeply in tune with how I personally feel too. This is why I figured I was/am an introverted feeler.
Exactly! Fi-doms often possess a keen Fe in my experience, but it is also fairly divergent and thus quite similar to that of the INFJ. Both types tend to place theory in the context of humanity, but my primary dialogue is often highly detached from my limbic system while the 'huggy' side of Fe is something I find easier to activate than my Fi-using friends :)
I view it as percentage levels on a spectrum rather than a box. My number one disclaimer if I even speak about personality types in person 😆 I absolutely loved this video thank you!
Maybe this is just me, but INFJs usually either look very detached, cold, and emotionless or welcoming, kind, and empathetic. Maybe this is a general trait, but I think the middle FeTi slots of the INFJ can definitely cause that sort of "melting pot" of mixed signals that add to their character.
As I listen to you.. It's the middle of the night... And I happened to be playing another video of yours (how introvetted intuition works).. as I lay in bed when this one begins to play .. And I awake again from my partial slumber.. And now hearing your explanations and thoughts, I get up to watch you because I am resonating and I want to see the man explain himself and feel his way through this as he speaks ... Remembering too my initial confusion in discovering how my mind was working/ and what was my type... INFJ..A (the first video I heard from you - long ago, it seems now - was why there are so many people in the MBTI community who think they are INFJs.. And then I lost your face as I was listening to so many different things and you were not being suggested in my feed...nevertheless I thought at the time - now here is a guy who makes sense.. But I think he's a bit over my head... being much farther down this personality thing than I care to go.. But anyway.. First introduction...) And as I listen, I am feeling and wondering .. As you explain your vision for those who follow personality theory to move on and coaslece upwards into a higher plane that helps all types... All individuals... All who are humans .. Do you know we are connecting with His mind? That is what I want to understand.. How that works... How this type is connecting to His mind .. What is my part there... In finding the path.. "Psa 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." What is the great mind we are tapped into? Whose? To know that connection. So I have to give pause... And just affirm all you are saying and feeling but also.. Add... I'f you have not found that path, then you do not yet know the way. "Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen." Personality theory is one thing. This is another. But somehow they are connected. Will be listening to hear you explain this one. Thanks for sharing. Thanks for searching. May you find the path. "Psa 16:11 Thou wilt shew me the path of life."
I was married to an INTJ and though we both believed meeting each other was like finding a needle in a haystack...and I felt he was probably the only one that intuitively understood me...I experienced often lack of understanding in emotional responsiveness feedback loop.
@@TreasureSeasons I wish I had been younger learning about functions too, Liza. I always knew I was thinking differently than a lot of people, and they did tell me at 25 that I was "balance brained"/slightly right brained, when I took a test for a course i was taking, but nothing about functions. I guess when we were 25 it wasn't as out there as it is today.
I relate a lot to your story, most accurate infj videos I have seen so far. Not fan of public comments but just to let you know. Don't stop, you're doing good.
This was very interesting, and relatable! I've been interested in mbti for quite a while now, and I'm quite sure I'm an INFJ as well, and a lot of what you've said in this video and the others you've made are the reasons why I haven't been 100% sure. With that said, I'm not sure now either. I am quite sure I have dominant Ni and inferior Se, however I can Imagine having Fi, and perhaps Te, but also of course Fe and Ti (more so based on how I act I think). So I would love a video on the difference between INFJ and INTJ!
Cheers Emelie! That's totally reasonable and I would stress that I have in my videos so far painted an INFJ stack with a slightly above-average T:F ratio in order to help people differentiate between this type and others it tends to be confused with - particular the INFP as they tend to employ a lot of Ni in their cogitations. That being said, the INFJ and INTJ comparison video is towards the top of my list so expect that within the next few weeks :)
I certainly get the ebb and flow of concietiousness, I can be all go on say, being a counsellor, which I am, but then I just don't want to be around anyone anymore and just sink myself into reading more and learning more about counselling and how us humans think, feel, behave etc. Which will then lead me to want to re-intake clients again, just to test these theories while making the world and individuals lives better (I hope, at least). But there's times I just have such lethargy that I cannot be bothered with any of that, which will send me to learning another thing I'm curious about, like art, so now I'm in the art phase, not seeing many clients, sinking myself into creation as the outlet, but I still want that art to be useful to this world. (Making it from recyclable materials). Next, I was drawn to gardening, so I can see dreams of sustainability realised, again doing my part to help the world, growing own veggies, fruit, but beautiful gardens too. But then, times I'm doing nothing active...... Love your video, have bought your book, Aussie, so different link than yours down below, looking forward to reading it and absorbing it xxx thanks Harry.
Cheers Melissa! Yes we have a huge side to ourselves that just wants to be left alone to our thoughts and creative endeavours, and such is the forward motion and desire for emotional expression that we will dip into side-projects that facilitate this, especially when our core focus is suffering a dip in emotional feedback :) As you say though, as great a purpose as art serves for our emotional well-being the Fe-authority drives an employment towards affecting the social world around us.
Y'know what's funny? The first time I ever took a personality test, it was 16personalities when I was 15 (8 years ago), and I got INFJ. I doubted it, and then went through 6 YEARS of overthinking functions, dichotomies, other systems in my head. In that time I went from considering myself an INFP then ENTP then INTJ respectively, before 2 years ago finally realizing a test not even using functions just miraculously happened to be entirely right the whole time.
Very cool. I agree that the T vs F and P vs J dichotomies in the MBTI tests are the equivalent of Agreeableness vs Disagreeableness and Conscientiousness vs Unconsciousness on the Big Five model.
This was a really interesting video to watch. It felt really personal to me idk why and i just felt like, i could completely understand what you went through and i felt like i was there talking to you. You have certainly improved on camera now, clear differences, and your type journey is by far the most intriguing one i have come across.
I like that you use the word 'code' and all it implies, to me, anyway. I am not huggy, in fact I mostly prefer people do not hug me, and I usually only initiate if I can feel it is wanted/expected and know it would be more long term trouble to avoid than just do. Just found you through a link someone put in a forum and have only had time to watch two of these. Looking forward to more.
I'm often similar! When Fe is more divergent it operates more on the observation of consequence and is thus more careful in any 'Fe gesture'. Also it's nice to know someone shared my channel - awesome! I hope you enjoy my other videos :)
I also test as INFJ, INTJ and INTP and originally Identified with INTJ mostly because it was the only type description that was relatable to a person, INTP descriptions were a combo of robot and mad scientist, INFJ descriptions just mentioned reading a room and rare, rare is usually mentioned a lot, as many as 7 times in one description on a popular site, I started counting 3 to 5 was the average at the time. My conclusion was the only thing written worse than an INTP description was an INFJ description, which lead me to cognitive functions and I´ve been hooked ever since it still was difficult because I related to both Ni and Ne but I think you kind of have to use one to balance the other? Still not completely sure about my type but I still am completely fascinated with typology and it has been beneficial in understanding others. Thanks about telling your journey of self discovery.
Yes, INFJ, descriptions tend to be worse than the others, particularly in regards to cognitive functions. Relating to both Ni and Ne, this can owe partially to poor function descriptions, but on the whole INTPs and INFPs have a great deal of Ni activation (particularly relation to the function) wheareas the convergent nature of Ni within an INTJ and INFJ tends to focus on singular possibilities :)
As someone who has had a somewhat convoluted and turbulent path to finding my type, I feel that there is a key aspect or factor that is often glossed over that can really sabotage all our effort when self typing. Up until recently, I couldn't separate my ideal self, which strongly resembled what you described in the ENTP empath video, with my actual type (the philosophical INT-Fs). The fact was, up until about a week ago, I wasn't ready to type myself, I had personal issues to work through to get to this point. Can you possibly do a video on what gets in the way of self typing and what place one has to be mentally in order to honestly type one's self? Also: Your videos have been a great help with working through my past issues and learning how to be ok with who I am. I greatly appreciate the work you are doing.
I have a self-typing video in the pipeline and will absolutely endeavour to discuss the place one should be in emotionally & mentally before self-typing becomes a viable option! Thank you, that means a lot to hear :)
Thank you, Harry! Personal experience adds a new emotions in the content of channel. And I agree the additional video slicing can make a video more lively and vivid. I think the type of personality can change after time and depend on deep external and internal processes. Harry, can you imagine, in one beautiful morning you can wake up and became other type, for example ISFJ or again INTJ?
Yes it must be quite interesting seeing this after being familiar with my music for so long! Yeah visuals are definitely the next step for improvement :) This is why I wrote CPT - personality as a whole can change, and while cognitive type will remain more static (aka we will always prefer one function to another but can learn to access others despite this) this too can be trained.
I’ve always test as INTJ or INFP. I’ve never actually tested INFJ, but there is no doubt that my wiring is INFJ. Your development pattern is exactly describes my path.
@@CognitivePersonality I'm sorry, I deleted my question because you said that you were British later in the video. I really appreciate you and all the INFJs out there posting videos that have been an absolute Godsend to us INFJs.
Hello so I've been into mbti for around two months now. Gone through a cycle of tests and came to the conclusion they were utter shite around a few weeks ago which is where I've been looking into cognitive functions. Personally i have seen bits of fi, si, and fe, in me primarily I think those are my strongest cognitive functions based on past experiences and opinions from people I know in my life. From the 4 people in real life that I asked all 4 said I was "easy going" "insecure" "supportive" "kind" and "caring" person.a negative they all had in common was that they sensed I had a lot of self doubt and was extremely harsh to myself which in retrospect I do agree with. I have major perfectionist tendencies when I can be bothered to take a interest in something. In addition I decided to ask people that I was close to online. The three online people said almost the same as easy going and easy to talk too but one added I do bounce a lot from topic to topic. I understand now it's not behaviour that matters but the patterns. I found a article that also said to identify the tertiary or inferior are the hardest parts with it being fully developed in later age of life is there any truth to this. I'm 19 currently and based off of the stories of my past that I can think of there is a consistent holding onto the past especially people and certain experiences. I still think deeply about the friendships I've lost over the years and I stopped playing football because of a certain negative experience I had when I was younger and only liked playing it with people I was familiar with. My mum did describe me as a person who spends a lot of time on his own and someone who gets lost in his own thoughts. In addition to this I have been shifting from interest to interest recently. I have been obsessed with my height, my body, fitness at one point, a girl, how proportionate my entire body was, safe to say I have phases where I get obsessed with things lmao.I do find Im still obsessing over the friends I have and to make sure they are okay and when they ignore me it really frustrates me and I do get misunderstood frequently. I think I have just been obsessing with mbti because of how fascinating it is. And everytime I think I'm one type I find out i have a more preference for another. (I have repeatedly tested out of INFP in tests infjs a couple of time and most recently isfj, second time) one more thing to add is that I do struggle to maintain focus and can never just sit and get straight to doing the task at hand and have a tendency to do something like shake my leg whilst subconsciously thinking or just doing something sat down(my family always have a go at me for doing so) etc All in all I think I've confused myself to be honest I also think I might doing some ni behaviour so that is just confusing me further😂😂 I'd appreciate some help thank you :)))))))
EJ 123 Doesn't seem like you got much personal help here... Yet. I am 68. I tested INFP initially and wondered to myself at the time - that's interesting but hmmm, I thought I was predominantly intuitive. Oh well. And off I went another direction leaving MBTI for a season. Took me awhile to return, listen more, and look at cognitive functions to figure out how my mind was really working. I am probably really an INFJ. So - OK. Still - being primarily preoccupied with figuring out what's really going on out there behind the surface narrative - I again didn't look very deeply at the INFJ profile either. Except to find initial gratification in a profile that put the intuitive function as dominant. I was then confused because I thought - well I am also always thinking. Can't even shut that down at times. So how can that be. But now I see that this too is part of being an INFJ-... A. And the A part shows up in my comments below. Read on. For yourself you seem to be all over the map and looking for someone to tell you who you are. Well.. No one will. No one merely human really can. It's a journey. I am thankful I am past rhe painful part. It took me a long time and many years of doubt and searching. Knew nothing of MBTI back then which has actually only recently been helpful and interesting - to find there is a pattern here and that others have it too - was actually very reassuring. I am not alone in this. But honestly EJ - can I be very blunt and say - you better figure out fast who you are and where you will stand. We are entering the most complex and perilous time in human history - in my humble opinion, as they say. You had better ask the author of life who you are. He alone can tell you. And if you do connect - I can tell you from personal experience - you will never be alone again and you will have true help. And joy. I would say - good luck - but luck is no part of this. "Luk 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." Nevertheless.. Good fortune. "Num 6:24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: 25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:." So - may we be graced.
@@carol5606 i have my faith and will not drop it the same way you have your faith and will not drop it. the typology journey is very personal to me and i will agree i am all over the place but i have come to understand the cognitive functions more recently and the consistent behavioural patterns i find myself doing regardless of what my subjective opinion says. i do get offended really easily and have always been thinking about the past greatly and will continue to do so regardless of what someone says. i am pretty confident i am fi/ne due to me knowing my likes and dislikes and how much i do not budge to try to and please others. i especially love my inner world and sticking to my personal si comfort routine. my ne was something i recently within the last few years starting getting to grips with to pull me out of the constant depressive thoughts of the past.. Additionally because of how bad i am in organising information i couldn't accept ni or si due to constantly getting more and more information when i have a spark in me. But my fi matters the most due to how aggressive i can get when someone tries going against my values or really just says something that instantly triggers me and i go into hulk mode and i tend to do that against people due to the te inferior function and how much i value individuality against the "tribe". Also because of how much i disrupt the harmony in groups and will not lose who i am to try and fit in. i like to remain reserved and will remain reclusive. si is really just a comfort spot for me as ive learned because i am really disorganised and after seeing true si doms and seeing how organised they are in having their shit together is actually kind of envious and i most certainly do not (As you can indicate with my previous comment aha) However i am young so its entirely possible im the same lost kid as everyone else my age but im learning to ne due to myt imagination being a lot more vivid and rich then others as ive come to learned from doing a personal questionaire with input given from peers (very helpful in cermenting the facts of which function i lean towards based off of their thinking) and thus can come to a conclusion after many, many moments of confusion (Due to my ne with not wanting to settle) and how much this journey mattered to me however i can easily drop it shut off and go back to my comfort zone but my brain is a lot happier when im gathering the new information ive found.ireciate the advice you have given and will take what i can to help improve myself. it is fairly obvious for me that infp fits me perfectly however i do remain careful to not let it define me i am well aware of the dangers from all this researching i have been doing from people that do let it define them. i will take it on board to help me do better in real life situations with my disorganization and use my ne in the right way which i feel is the whole essence of typing yourself in the first place. I hope i do not offend you Carol and would like to thank you for taking the time out of your day to help assist me :).
EJ 123 Well as I read your lengthy description, it sounds to me like you've got good insights into what is going on inside. I'm actually not qualified to make any comment on the many subtleties of personality theory (have not studied it enough), so we can both be thankful many others have. Maybe you will happen across someone who can "unravel" the maze and help you see even more clearly. It's always helpful to know how we gather information and make decisions. I found understanding the cognitive functions the key. But I am actually off in another direction now trying to see how much time we have left to do any of this - given the world controllers and their agenda. So. Only stopping to encourage you in your endeavor. Hope you continue to gain insight and to enjoy the journey. Be well 😊
I'd like to hear what you think of the temperament matrix. I've watched a video in which you explain how cognition and behavior are hard to correlate and that's what the matrix seems to do. I'd love to hear your ideas on it and ofc keep up the good work.
I'm an infp, and have been sure of it the whole time, and took another test today after a few years to make sure. I'm just nosey after watching the infp infj comparison, I've always clashed with infj, and thought I might just have known difficult ones. You're cool though
There’s a lot of takeaways here… I relate to a lot of it. Unfortunately, I relate to so many aspects of what people say about themselves that it becomes almost more confusing and unhelpful - for me, personally. The “attitude” that has been most associated with me is the Frank James version of the “INTJ”. Hmm.. but what’s interesting, is you mentioning INTJs having so much empathy, which is indeed true of me. But I also loathe self-righteousness. And I tend to associate that with Fi… in a general sense, I think. Which is why I’ve wondered about ESTP and ENTJ. I TESTED as INFJ the first time - and my brother, an officer in the USAF, had pegged me as much… they pegged him for ISTJ, and his buddy for INTJ. So… comparing myself to them, it only seemed right to accept the label - BUT I COULDN’T. I told my brother after reading the MBTI descriptions on humanmetrics (or watching the videos), that I FELT like an ENTP… That I was forced into introversion because of being a REAL TARGET at a very small school… and because home wasn’t so.. um… easy. Not getting into that. That was 11 years ago that I tested as that. Fact of the matter is, I understand the MBTI system easily enough to test as anything on purpose. Too easy. But very inaccurate… (when I see people say, “I tested as THIS 3 TIMES! I’m a REAL INTP!!” Or WHATEVER type… I’m like… LOL. No.) Point being - for a good while now, I’ve been REALLY wondering about ENTJ. Te just FEELS like home to me. So does Ni. I use Fe, for sure. I think it’s important. I’m definitely not fond of chaotic people who refuse order or integrity. I am also not fond of having 15 tasks. I am ROUTINELY doing 15 tasks for my mom as a child, but now more lovingly for my wife… BUT I AM A MAN ON A MISSION AND PEOPLE WON’T GET OUT OF MY WAY. And I don’t have the heart to literally shut people out the way I feel like I need to. Because they’re close to me… But I definitely fit Jung’s idea (USED TO…) that the Te Dom will basically invest into the work even to the point of the family (accidentally) going without some necessary comforts for a while……. I’m not nearly as bad as I used to be in that way. But I’m very empathetic. Which… I don’t care if that collides with Te Dom. It is just a fact that I can only explain through my Introverted Intuition and, now that you mention it, Introverted Feeling I suppose… I’m not a BUBBLY empath, but I care and communicate it directly - sometimes straightforwardly, sometimes more cautiously. I can use any instrument or machine INSTANTLY.. my body IS a machine which is able to extend itself further with any object - no problem. I am rambling… About myself. Stupid. I also care about REALITY as it is. It’s a common theme for me, “Don’t be delusional. THIS IS REALITY.” I believe Se supports my Te… but I was forced into my “divergent” functions early on, so I developed into something else. Cognitive function tests don’t make heads or tails of me. Some of them just fail and load a screen saying, “Modify your choices” or something like that.. Which is why I went straight for Chapter X of Jung’s Psychological Types to begin my REAL journey. I started to form a hyper cube, or like a matrix of 16 points in my mind… and I began to see pressure being applied in the matrix of points, where dragging an invisible mass across the field matrix lit up each of the points variably according to the mass and location of the point. I then noticed that our cognition, ASSUMING there are no other functions to speak of, can be likened to a mathematical matrix.. and we have a kind of general location… Like an electron before it’s measured/observed… But whenever we measure it, we see those magnitudes as a snap shot of that moment. BUT, the electron will always perfectly orbit the nucleus… the core of who someone is. And then I found your videos… and then I was BLOWN AWAY to see your latest video pop up. I had shown my wife an image I created months ago… so I showed her the image from your Thumbnail… and she lit up! I said, “I KNOW! He drew 1 side of the hyper cube!! Maybe my idea isn’t so crazy after all!” She thinks I should put my stuff out there… But I think that is I cannot DEFINITIVELY nail my type (or, assuming I’m individuated to a greater degree, what my type WAS) then I can’t really claim ANY kind of authority… I can type others… pretty well. My wife sees me as INTJ. Maybe she is right. Anyway… A very small reciprocation to your very interesting video about your journey.
i used to grow to maintain balance with the wind, but sometimes i cut the whole tree down just to be able to grow again. Now ive learned to maintain the fruits, so once more other animals can share their knowledge
I was tested as intp for many years and recently convinced that I am actually an infj after watching a good video on ni, because ni is always described as a mystic function which I don't really resonate with as I can usually describe my insights quite easily (though very abstractly, in hindsight it is obvious that I am a ni-Dom), I think it is partially due to my interest in math or just the nature of ni-ti itself so that I want to be pricise, the ni-fi of intj and entj seems to fit more with stereotype of ni of knowing the answer without explanation, for example i know an intj, let say he doesn't tend to explain his thought process, but it can also be due to my mathematical interest and in consequence a rather developed ti. I think the mbti test that rely on dichtomies is especially bad at testing infj, for example infj tends to be rather let say non-proactive and passive, they are in their mind and they don't tend to make detailed schedule and tend to not actually following it, so they tend to be tested as p. They also tend to be cerebral (ni-ti), so they tend to tested as t(ok the stereotype of t being Cerebral is already a bad one), and according to your theory, their fe-se is divergent so the manifestation is more subtle, mine is quite subtle that I don't notice that I am using it very often. If their fe-se is more active, they might be tested as an e. My point is that the test is rather inaccurate especially for infj, so I suspect there is a lot more infj that the statistics suggest. Another thing is that I was depressed and antisocial when I was in secondary school, so I thought I must have low fe, but some of the stereotypical low fe behavior that I have is probably due to low se, for example talking a bit too loud sometimes (I think I am quiet enough), I also tend to be very passive aggressive at the time which actually requires fe now I think about it and I thought it is ti. But now I think about I have ni tendency from a very young age, for example i always plan ahead and dislike surprises, wanting to put everything in a unified framework which sparked my interest in mathematics in the first place, I am also in a very ni-heavy subfield in math. I think in hindsight, all of it is very obvious
Your right the tests are largely inaccurate I always test as INTJ & I'm typed by CPT as a divergent TiNi ENFJ. I'm extremely cerebral and lean much more heavily into TiNi as opposed to out there in the world in FeSe. I've always been much more introverted/an ambivert socially at best.
Ha! I had the same thing happen to me, originally! I got “ENFP” when I took my first test, at 17, and now I am 33 and am extremely confident that I am an “ENTP,” instead! I think it’s really to eithe Mis-type as your “Sibling type,” like us! Or for say an ENFP to Type as an INFP, and etc……..
What about Typing by Interaction style & Temperament matrix of a person (By Linda Berens). 1. Initiating vs Responding 2. Direct Vs Informative 3. Outcome vs Progression 4. Concrete vs Abstract 5. Systematic vs Interest 6. Pragmatic vs Affliative How well does this system work in typing someone? (In addition to Cognitive functions, where they can get confusing to properly identify?)
Has the community united bringing their systems together for the greater good of those who get typed yet? Have you seen the typing community get better on TH-cam or not so much? Interesting outlooks.
I think i got my type down by now but man it was rough and now took me 2-3 years. My problem was that for as long as I could remember I learned pretty quickly and was very good with logic problems (maths physics and science in general). And as a person who is more extroverted and rather engages with the world than just observe it I initially thought and scored an Entp typing. But after a while i felt like that typing didnt really match because i generally dont feel like I use my Si together with Ti. I believe that I dont really think in boxes and I am not really afraid that im not that creative. I rather use that ti for are wholeistic vision of how im going to contribute to society. I discovered a passion for psychology and medicine in my late years of Highschool and then proceeded to get into med school. I think i rather fit into the enfj category. I would be really interesting to know if Entp is a common mistyping for Enfj‘s with rather good Ti. Sorry if my text was hard to read english is my second language have a wonderful day!
Here’s my problem: I can relate to all of the things you’ve said, except the Fe part. I’m heavily interested into the mechanics and objectivity of the world, just for the sake of it and with little to no interest in the human part of it. Human problems were and are always problematic, vague and hard to undrestand for me. At the opposite of that, my Fi is very strong. I’m REALLY picky on every choice in my life, whether it’s my career, the way i live, the things i eat, the games i play, the music i hear, the movies i watch, all of them are constantly going through this filter of “which one of these are ME?” Or “which one of these are representative of MY own beliefs and interests” Anything that comes in conflict with my own personal interests is immediately removed. So far, i know that I’m a Heavy Ti user, but i can feel dashesh of Te, although it’s very mild. I’m an Ni user and I’m pretty shit at Ne. I’m a very heavy Fi user as well. Ni Ti Fi? Three introverted functions? That doesn’t add up with the personality theory.
Wow Harry, so intellectual, components, function, a plan on a Whiteboard. How does your Intuition report to you. Is it in colour, with smell and music, or is it laid out in a linear data strip coming out of a fax machine? When you see a person's actions that interest you , do you ever want to explore the lifestyle that brings about that interesting character snapshot? Be an ABCD Harry. It's great because A stands for Anything. Love to see some of that INFJ humour.
This was great to hear. Really related to the, "but that would be three introverted functions..." There have been times where it has felt as if my functions are out of order, that I use ones I "don't have" more than ones I "do have." There were other things too where I even went, "could I possibly be, dare I say it, INFJ? ...nah." I've never believed it likely before and I honestly don't even want to be one, amazing though they may be. Because I have autistic friends a thought that's crossed my mind often lately is, could autism be due, at least in part, to certain cognitive functions being over-activated? Either within their natural stack or despite it? Have you had any thoughts on this or similar topics? One of my friends has an exceptional memory recall, basically anything they hear they'll remember forever, and is very sensitive to external stimuli and has a hard time dealing with sudden changes, which sounds like an extreme variant of Si. (As far as i understand it, anyway.) And while I recognize these tend to be considered general traits of autism they're not nearly as pronounced in our other autistic mutual friends. My understanding of the functions is still sadly limited, as such I'm not readily able to identify them within others, or even myself, and may even still be victim to the prolific misinformation going around, though I do believe I have gotten better.
At 13, I was typed an INTJ by a test consisting of only 8 questions. Through understanding your ‘understandings’ 😅, I am becoming more certain that I’m actually an INFJ. I hope I can find a way to develop my Te like you do to codify your insights. I can imagine Jung having gone through a similar cognitive process when he devised his theories (if he were an INFJ, that is). I’m definitely going to binge watch your videos once I find time to!
You can tell the comments are mostly from INFJ's because they are so long and well thought out. LOL That's what I do on most of the videos I watch (not always lengthy, but not uncommon for my comment to be longer than everyone else's).
Hey harry where did you start with this journey of codifying your understanding? I mostly spent these last nine years passively watching educational TH-cam videos and reading. I wanted to establish external reliable systems and tools for practical uses and decision making.
I had a moderate traumatic brain injury as a 10 year old child. Is it possible my personality changed? How would it affect my type? Test results are even for INFJ and ISFJ.
So Im an INFP and I had a similar experience with resonating more with the INTP description. I think often the descriptions of INFPs are almost like were not logical. Which I think we aren't that. Im very logical and philosophical while also being very passionate and emotional. So for a long time I thought I was an INTP...
Yes the picture the dichotomies paint of the INFJ can be a little ridiculous, and the Ti of the INFJ is often falsely perceived as a 'tertiary' function :) I remember going through a prolonged phase of exploring the INTP personality back in the day!
With Fe for me, it is always there but not thought about, it's just something I do, yet people I think do not understand or may judge it from Fi narrative/bias or different functional position, it doesn't have to be consciously wanting to create harmony or about the other, it just is, so when they see Fe run out in situations and a push to put things in place to move forward, it often gets tiring if say the other person wants to stay in that spot and not move to resolve and move forward, this then can make the INFJ look cold or irked by the depletion. I think INFPs are better off in this position with people and not quick to give an opinion and move the person, perhaps. Fe again for me can be a curse because it will naturally check on other before self, it is the kind of thing that will not enjoy the moment because it is looking out, for instance, If I play music I am consciously aware of noise for the neighbors...noise in general, it can be editing my language because of, in certain situations it conforms, even when it doesn't want to. Yet and maybe because of my enneagram configuration, I am Individual and have that focus on me, so that kinda relates to what Fi seems, but perhaps that is another function and not Fi. Fe is also how we communicate and express and is more a social barometer. As for absorbing peoples emotions, I do wonder on how some really push this with the profile, sure I can get understanding and feel others, but I do wonder on how much is unconscious pick up and maybe even projection in some cases...look at people with social anxiety, they may be projecting and thinking it Fe, most of the profile you can perhaps equate to neurosis and even perhaps the idea of subtypes...why a type perhaps slips or prefers to be in a certain configuration, maybe even forced or in survival or shut off, It's interesting.
Oh yes, the INFJ is very much affected by Fi albeit in a more unconscious manner :) Re: Fe, as a divergent function in the stack it will play a more passive role and as a result seldom be a function we perceive ourselves 'using'. For myself, Fe is, conversely, something I 'experience'.
Hey you might not see my message but do you think Daenerys Targaryen is a ENFJ or INFJ? because she very much fits ENFJ but a lot of people keep trying to make her into a INFJ because they think she was introverted.
I lean more on the ENFJ side here - Ni drives a purpose of Fe reform to be tangibly realised in concrete reality; there is little Se detachment nor much in the way of Ni-Ti contemplation.
Would you say that the authority could act as a sort of motivation behind the study and vision of a cognitive type? Or would that depend on whether the authority function is a codec or lens function?
Indeed the authority tends to be the driving force - an ISTP would be informed by tangible concrete experience and thus as abstract as their internal process might be it works to a concrete agenda; an ENTP socialises in order to refine and practice skillsets and acquire more information. This will vary from one person to another, but the authority will always have an indirect influence :)
To be honest, I don’t like to deal with other INFJs. Ni dom people don’t dwell on the same subject or come into the same conclusion. It is more frustrating than kinship feeling. I personally prefer sensor’s company. I feel more grounded after the time together. Ni and Ne dom people can exhaust me mentally. It is like floating in the vacuum, fun at first but tiring after awhile.
I'm becoming increasingly appreciative of such types as I myself grow and develop - I used to limit my interactions to those provlicated to abstract discussions, but the more I value action and self-transformation the more I seek conversation more experiential in nature :)
@@CognitivePersonality were you friends with sensors in elementary school? My childhood friend is a sensor. She pulled me out of my head to pay attention to 5 senses. Later I did prefer to date guys who think, analyze, or philosophize. One ex I suspect was ISTP had helped me to grow more than the intuitive types though. He told me to breathe and savor the moment all the time. That relationship was contentious because we were too different but he did become a great friend to this day.
@@33Jenesis There was a nice split between sensors (ISTP and ESTP) and intuitives (INTJ and INTP) - honestly sometimes the latter felt more like sensors than the former!
Which of Jung's works developed your understanding of Typology and your own personal type. I've seen so many contradictory views in search of my own type that I need to go back to the source. Do you have recommendations???
Absolutely - foremost I recommend reading Psychological Types. He has referenced type in other works but this is the book that he dedicated to the subject. Personally I am of the mind he put more time into understanding Ni, Ti, Te and Fi than other functions, but in understanding his original intentions you can employ the law of opposition to understand how it would all fit together within a type :)
Do you help develop people based on their type? I think I'm an INFP but not certain as I've had INTP results aswell and I understand test results aren't 100% but do you think you could create one that is?
I‘m a 15 year old and I often wonder how I should take the test bc I‘m still developing and 2 years ago I was a complete different person (I feel like) so should I wait taking the test?
I would advice waiting for sure - at this age the interaction between your two auxiliary functions (auxiliary and tertiary in MBTI terms) will still be developing - I would advise waiting a year at least, but in the meantime acquaint yourself with the cognitive functions and keep in mind it takes time to discover your true type :)
I took some test on three different websites, one came out INF something... Then the other two were INFJ but I didn't believe it cause I don't think I'm rare... My concern is can past experiences influence ones personality type?
Past experiences cannot influence type, but they can influence the way the type manifests (e.g. an INFJ favouring their Fi over Ti in decision making) and, more importantly, the behaviour that personality tests measure. For example, as we go through life, we may become more sociable, we may learn to favour logic over emotions, and we may become more conscientious. None of these factors change cognitive type, but they can cause us to answer differently on online tests. I often receive ENTJ results, for example, because as I have changed throughout the course of my life I have developed a strong Thinking function and became more extraverted. My cognitive stack (NiTi FeSe), however, remains unchanged. This is part of the reason why tests are unreliable in determining type.
Hey man no disrespect but I would have some doubts regarding you being an INFJ. Like i would say where is the Fe ? I don’t see it. By the way I am not that expert so please clarify if I am mistaken.
He explained this. He leans a little more into the Ti. These things are on a spectrum really. Not every INFJ fits into that advocate archetype. Some people with Fe parent don’t necessarily need to help everyone but are still deeply affected and in tune with people and what makes them tick emotionally per se. considering how into cognition he is I would almost guarantee he is an Fe user because a heavy Fe user would have the most interest in psychology by default. Te users (intj) Would be heavily invested into systems absent a human element. Fe isn’t always about the fuzzies and everyone is completely unique. I realized after many years of testing into intj (and lots of study) that I am also an INFJ. Another good way to tell (in my opinion) is if you need to resolve a conflict RIGHT NOW. my wife needs space to process and it completely stresses me out to wait on her to mull things over but I the same time if an issue is between others not connected to me and it’s not effecting my life in any way, I’m not that inclined to go play counselor with them either. Most important take away is NO two people are exactly alike and no one fits perfectly into a cognitive “type”.
I'm an ENFJ & I'm no Fe fest this is largely due to the stereotypes of Fe being associated with this huggy kissy function when it's actually the complete antithesis particularly for ENFJs who tend to be stoic & serious. Plus, I'm a divergent TiNi ENFJ & thus come off as very cerebral. Remember SeFe & FeSe trade breadth of social connection for depth of social connection hence we're hardly the life & soul of a party. Due to MBTI stereotypes associated with the functions many mistype as us & many people don't type themselves accurately. Harry is quite clearly an NiTi abstract cerebral philosopher and his Fe is serving a humanitarian agenda. It just goes to show that you can't misequate personality facets with cognition. BTW I always as INTJ on the fallacious online MBTI tests and sometimes ENTP albeit I'm pretty introverted.
It's not your truths and other people's truths or personal truths, it's your uniqueness, the human pshysce is more fluid than the mbti rigid system, it's the way you are... your cognitiveness... if I may say
Yes! I haven't yet set up an 'appointment' system online and until that point consultations and type sessions will be on a more informal basis :) The rates will be: Consultation - £60 Typing Service - £80 Extended Typing Service - £120 I'll likely not have the appointment system set up until January (I'm intending to launch a Patreon once the channel hits 1k) but I'll still be providing these services on a more informal basis in the meantime!
@@CognitivePersonality great! I'd like to set up a consultation for some time in February, if possible. How far out do you need to know for scheduling?
Harry -- if you have had a chance to view sufficient material from Sam Harris, I would be very curious to know if you'd type him as INTP or INTJ, and why? I'd love to discuss! :D
@@CognitivePersonality I suspected this is how your stack looked. There are definitely some INFJ that have a more developed Fe and less developed Ti, making them look a little more like the standard INFJ descriptions (not much though). The one thing that I have found to be static no matter the development of the middle functions is the rigidity of the auxiliary on the same axis as the dominant. The blindspot. If Ti is the dom's auxiliary, Te is terrible in comparison to a true Te users even when the person thinks they are doing good with it. It's the same with me and Fe (I don't really care, though). I find the blindspot to be a beacon in healthy and well-developed types. It's kind of hard to ignore since it looks like a bald spot in the face of all the other functions activating.
Hi Harry, just to let you know I'm currently a 15 year old kid who fell in love with typology and I see my own personality type as a mystery waiting to be solved. So in conclusion, I'm just psyched to hear that you too started your personality type journey at the age of 15 and it makes me feel hopeful right now that I will one day know my type and say the words "case solved" .
Hi! Indeed it can take many years to find your true type, but I can assure you the journey is very worthwhile and there's no harm taking breaks every now and again to consider other paradigms!
what are the types you feel closest to?
I'm 19 year old and found out about this personality study 2 years ago.
I was mystyped by 16personalities as an INFP-T.
(what is the assertive and turbulent thing? => smth about your emotional predisposition to be more inclined to either positive or negative feelings, or better said adaptive or directive Fe and seelie or unseelie Fi, I guess...)
•I dont recomend begining this psychology journey before 19-20 years old since babies, kids and teens are still developing their mental capacities until they reach the peak somewhere in their twenties, not near the thirties.
•The risk involved in this is being traped in a constant loop of re-evaluating your day-to-day choices by labeling them to certain cognitive funtions and different combinations of cognitive functions(Fe-Se, Si-Te, Ni-Ti-Fe...), despite the fact you may not posses correct interpretations on jungian psychology.A continous process like that it's painful for the psyche.
•Even though its cool to know a lot of things while you are still young and curios, some things are better done at their time.
:)
@@raluca_si_atat and what have you found out about your true type?
@@kaizokuwan5282, it's cool to pay attention to your choices and prefferences in order to understand why you think, feel and respond to the world in a certain way.Im glad to finnally know:
1. Why I preffer Ti over Fe since Im a double introverted individual: Ni-Ti; 2.Why I struggled (and still do) with Te(having a robotic default, being the most detached from the social atmosphere in order to reach your own goals, being an excelent multitasker, being ok with paying attention to external facts why may oppose yours;
3.Why Se is still unconcious and needs a lot of time to get better;
“My type didn’t really belong anywhere” - spot on for myself too. Definitely not one of those emotional INTJ types. 🤣
I hear that!
Another thing I am picking up on from this video.. Most people have no clue what Fe looks like. People can be sharing intelligent thought while also using Fe as a tool.
Indeed, and it is most often the most effective means to do so, all the while being an integral source of information from which much of such thought springs!
@@CognitivePersonality yup!! I have had these functions running in the background trying to codify things while talking to people for about 8 years now. I share bits as I go, but I have been procrastinating putting all of the pieces together in a formal way. Fe is an excellent tool for figuring out how people work and cracking these codes that we're interested in. Thank you for being an inspiration! I really do need to bite the bullet and put pen to paper more often. :/
@@MeghaMuse It took some time to motivate myself to be honest! But the Fe data kept coming in and it had to be placed somewhere :)
Lol, a tear fell out of my eye because your words are so emotional to me It's hard to look inside for our own feelings. Maybe that is why we focus on the feelings of others.
For sure :)
@36:36 the trouble is that MBTI inherently relies on a level of self-knowledge and introspection that many do not seem to possess. When it comes to self-testing, I have instructed others to "drop the act" and answer each question from their baseline, childlike, most comfortable, and purest inner preferences. This seems to help some people separate their "work persona" from who they are at the core, at least when testing. Some struggle anyway. Those who struggle seem to have far less interest in typology in general, and have a hard time holding a conversation on the topic, so we end up getting nowhere. If the goal is to use typology to inspire since kind of a mass enlightenment and promote collaborative relationships, then the value of this needs to be "sold" to each type according to their own values. This is the only hope we have. As INFJs, we have the capacity to more easily identify others' motivations and preferences, so we need to remember to use this information effectively (however challenging it may be) to communicate the importance of this mission...
I definitely forced myself to hide my emotional side when I was young and I’m trying to learn to use that childlike comfortable persona in a natural way and not force myself to hide or show it.
This was very helpful to understanding an INFJ. You are super theoretical. Very deeply theoretical. And your language is very intellectual. You are like a young, Carl Jung. I'm so glad you went to the source and looked at his writings. It seems that encountering MBTI at 15 is so young. I didn't come across it until I was 32. I typed correctly as an INFP. That was 30 years ago. I am always perfectly willing to be something else, but in listening to your fabulous new way of codifying, I relate to all of your INFP explanations. I love this typology. I could never go as deep as you have in your theoretical ability. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I see you as equal to Jung. A brilliant, insightful, INFJ.
I can relate: as an INFJ I have a degree of detachment with people because my feelings cognitive functions aren’t apparent to them though my feelings certainly, informs my thinking.
Indeed, there's often a level of detachment in an INFJ due to the type's cerebral nature!
Great stuff, man. You are truly making a great contribution to the field of cognitive functions.
As an INFJ myself, this whole thing is already fascinating, but the way you explain it helps to understand the intrinsic yet unexplored value that this theory could possess in helping others.
Great to hear, thank you!!
I find your CP theory and especially INFJ description to be one the most accurate definitions ever represented on MBTI/personality theory videos.Your theory works because it does reflect the reality of how cognitive stacks function in each type. It's quite impressive.
I think I've settled my type after 10 years of reflection and searching. I'm INFJ as well, but always thought I was way too much on edge with F/T dichotomy, nearly always tested as INTJ. I'm a musician and composer as well. Thank you for being awesome
Thanks a lot! This is really cool to hear :)
I also pivoted from music to personality type youtube stuff : D
Ahaha no way, that's awesome!!
I love this community , all 50 -thousand- of us 😂
I freaking LOVE your videos, every time I try to REALLY listen to what you’re saying not just hearing but rather really listening to remember it and add it to my inner puzzle of understanding mbti
The idea that many INFJs can be conflict-avoidant in their formative years and therefore may manifest as something else until later in life is so true. I was a “Classic INFP” until I became a widower and left my office for more people-facing roles. Then I slowly “transformed” into an INFJ. Looking at the cognitive functions now, I realize that I was always an INFJ but that I just hadn’t allowed my Fe to come into its own. I still struggle with (and sometimes resent), the weight of the world, but understanding better how God made me has granted me access to incredible resources that I hadn’t realized were at my disposal all along. Videos like yours are like finally getting around to reading the owner’s manual. Thanks!
Very interesting! Yes, exactly, recognise the tools you have available to you, and those within reach :)
Cheers for the kind words!
Except real life INFPs aren't conflict avoidant at all. It's a shitty stereotype based on mistyped xSFJs, whereas actual INFPs can be actually cold and confrontational when brought to their limits.
This is why I love your channel Thanks for the detailed insight. Your right you can take endless tests but it ultimately leads to the same conclusion. That being self reflection and introspection are needed along with alot of research into the "self". I think a very overlooked aspect of typology in regards to INFJ's is something nobody but the INFJ could really understand. The fact that an intense need to understand others can and often does cause a blur before the clarity you spoke of. The sense of self or ability to properly identify your objectively unbiased view of yourself. To see patterns and in those patters find relation points to anchor and give comfort. To begin comfortable interactions. Its a selfless automatic act with others emotional interests in mind first. That means to be objective one has to see all sides. Emphatically and logically at the same time I believe is a requirement to actually be non subjective in a situation. Its taxing though and not something that you can really explain to someone else but I'm sure you get it. My point is being a mirror of sorts its easy to relate to with verybody. Where do they begin and I end? How do you introspectely answer a question if the very way we think is always putting the self in others shoes? To look inward when observing ourselves is always done externally even in the mind. A metaphysical relation of the self thru the feelings and eyes of someone else. Instead of what choice would I make it becomes how would this choice effect others. This makes figuring out your an INFJ almost unfairly difficult but then once you know it actually makes simple sense. Being honest I found your channel when I was mistyped. I've had intp, intj even entp and enfp. What you said was 100% correct things change once you realize wow I have this other function I was not really utilizing. I especially resonated with what you said about what your research reading and efforts always end up point towards, "people"! Yes exactly. I didn't even realize I've said it so many times to others I was helping in the past that helping you helps me too or the more I learn about you and make connections it helps me grow too. Nobody every understood what I meant so I was blown away when you said it. I'll recommend your channel more than I already do because honestly it's sad to see the level of misinformation online. I actually dodged even reading about this type when I started simply because everyone seemed to identify with it and I'm not a fan of going thru that judgment because "rough childhood" is right. Its not always bubbly happy sage level jargon. Its not always fun to understand but end up in a one sided situation. I watched your video on narcism as well and I couldnt believe the level of relations i could identify in it. 7-8 years ago i started researching mental health and the tree branched from there. Typology and this is where I've arrived. In relating i did self question am I this do I have this disorder am I possibly a borderline etc. What I learned is typology explains most common errors in diagnosing people with misunderstood personality cognitive processes. Especially the INFJ seemingly on a quest to understand everyone and find also their path and self as well. I wouldn't be surprised if other infj males out in the world have no idea about typology theory and end up misdiagnosed with a disorder or fail to thrive and reach their true potential because of it. That to me is beyond sad. So from one late bloomer to another thank you for your insights hard work and effort what your sharing with the world does make help and makes a difference man!
Wow, thanks Stephen - I read all of that and thoroughly enjoyed it!
You've come to very similar conclusions to myself on that matter; it is indeed true that certain 'disorders' are nothing more than a certain variations of cognitive function interaction. While it would be untrue to call any one type 'a disorder', it is nonetheless the case that certain types are more likely to exhibit a certain kind of intelligence or identity-formulation than others.
I also agree that various disorders are not only labelled negatively, but also that upon receipt of diagnoses many people will overly identify with being 'flawed' in some way as a result.
I really appreciate your support, thank you! :)
As you know Harry I've witnessed this a lot in clinical practice at least myself I'm really interested in the intersection between type & mental 'disorder' & neurodivergence...that's not to say that I think cognitive type & mental 'disorder' go hand in hand but rather we can see certain manifestations of a disorder in certain types; it's how it's expressed that varies. I do believe in psychiatry that we pay by far too much attention to overt symptomology than underlying cognitive processes...it can just help excavate somebodies difficulties & add a level of nuance that psychiatry doesn't. I believe there's some quite significant overlaps with the philosophy of phenomenology (I have a book on the philosophy of mental health which I'd highly recommend). As a divergent ENFJ I'm always trying to innovate upon my practice & I believe I've helped patients in a much more 'unique' way as a therapist & mental health nurse because of it. I do think unfortunately some types are constitutionally more likely to be given certain diagnosis that can be conflated with mental ill health as they're misconstrued especially when the practitioners underlying cognition is not similar (re network theory). It's still a work in progress but I believe I have some good insights; if only my TiNi+ could stay still long enough for me to manifest some of this into concrete reality! I'm after all a work in progress myself & I believe it steps from my inner INFP trying to understand myself as much as anything. I still need to book my last coaching session & I'll likely book more but you've certainly given me a new window through I can understand myself, my son (as an entp - I'm exhausted lol) & other people.
Thank you for sharing your journey, Harry. Through hearing your story, I better understand my own.
Exactly what I hoped to achieve with this video :)
I really enjoy this video as you’ve opened yourself up enough for me to see that your mindset on this is very much how I’ve been trying to make all this feel right to me. I’ve been wanting to figure out my own true function stack, which tests have only further confused me, as to better understand how I interpret life, and then apply to understanding how others do so. I look forward to watching more of your videos, hopefully helping me better understand how I think about all this. I know I’ve struggled with the typing via tests and function stack tests, as they don’t seem to fit me, or make sense according to how they are meant to work. Much of what you’ve described here in your own functions, is how I test out in the stacking, but I consistently hit INTP, though it’s also fallen INFP, INTJ, and INFJ. So many reasons why I struggle to align with any of them.
Thank you, I prioritised making this video at the beginning as I wanted to emphasise transparency :)
Cheers and best of luck with your type journey!
I have a very similar story. Tested as an INTJ. Went to college for music. Dug into personality theory at the age of 22. Once I looked into it, I found out that INFJ fit me incredibly well, and instead if falling apart under scrutiny, the more I learned the more it made sense.
Now I realized that I want a career where I can work with people like mental health counseling.
Ah, interesting! Thanks for sharing :)
44:44 "Nobody wants to stare at my face for 25 minutes straight..."
Am I not supposed to? Am I doing this wrong?
😂😂😂 I can relate
Hahaha
Hi Harry, I hope you and your loved ones are all doing well. The video was totally an eye-opener. I have no idea what my type is, and in so many ways whenever I took the test it really varied as you mentioned, thought it never really made total sense. I’m almost 28 years now, feeling so grateful to come by your channel. In my case, the thing seems harder to me because I’ve been taken this journey from a religious point of view. And I must mention, no matter how other things were hard, to me now it feels the hardest to actually ‘undo’ a certain knowledge that I’ve gained through religion or spirituality, and then star-off again. It’s hard because it feels that I’ve lost the capability to think rationally in such a creative way (using human faculties). So, watching you speaking so clearly about this subject matter brought a lot of light, for that I’m eternally thankful. And still; I also felt a bit of sadness for the time we ‘lost’ being misguided by our own rigidity that makes no place for others to come and give an advice. Thank you, Harry. Please keep it going)
I was sure that I'm an intj for long too. To be clear I was an INFP according to the test for long, but this was a period when I was super depressed, so it couldn't be clear. When I started to explore mbti area I thout I was an INTP and after that INTJ, like this type fits me so well, how can I be a feeling type. I watched videos about infjs because I found them kinda about me, but I thought this is because I'm an INTJ with strong Fi, lol. Well, I'm not gonna write here all my journey, but I'm completely sure that I'm an INFJ, even if I don't fit stereotypes. I mean, this is my cognitive functions, that's it. And thank you very much for sharing your experience, its very helpful for me. I thought that you are a thinking type, I didn't expect you being an INFJ. And I guess no one can think about me the same. Like, I thought that INFJs are actually kinda analytical and calm, isn't it? But I had no evidence, because INFJ character, INFJ celebrities, there're not to much of them, so it's difficult to judge them in common. But your video helped me, thanks)
In CPT there's actually no such thing as a thinking or feeling type just for clarification we all think & feel it's just contingent upon what element the codec is attached to - we're composites of a convergent & divergent pairing that counterbalance one another. For example I'm a divergent TiNi ENFJ & TiNi forms the 'backbone' of my cognition; I lean more heavily into TiNi than FeSe. INTJs are actually primarily limbic centred as NiFi convergent types whereas the INFJ is an abstract cerebral philosopher with convergent NiTi.
The mentioning of using the MBTI as a tool for development speaks directly to my heart.
I remember having a conversation with an Enneagramm enthusiast where she said that she likes MBTI but she just doesn’t find it as helpful and possibly transforming as the Enneagramm. And what I felt at that moment was: I think the MBTI can indeed also be a great tool for development if it is dug deeper... because already back then I had the feeling that there was so much more in there (the MBTI) but I couldn’t put this sense into words so I left the conversation thinking about it a lot.
So seeing someone like you believing in it equally as much is a very beautiful thing to witness.
I think it has been about time, someone recognizing it and taking it to another level.
So thank you again for the work you’re doing!
Thank you so much for the lovely comment!
I do believe a cognitive functions based model has a limitless utility for self-development and I can't wait to start releasing videos applying CPT specifically to individual development!
There's a myriad of potential applications and I want to employ them all, which is both exciting and intimidating :)
I have no doubts now that i am an INFJ thank you for all of your videos. Listening to you talk and describe yourself and your functions it's like for the first time i get to hear how my mind works the way i keep trying to explain. It's so hard to explain how i work without some smidge of function stack thrown into the explanation lol. It helps others as well. It has led me to self acceptance that's for sure. 🎉
Love hearing about you coming to own your personality type. Relate so very much to your interest in the social sciences and humanitarianism. There was such a long stretch of time I wanted to be a cognitive anthropologist bc of a class I took. Oh man, you would have loved that class.
I agree so much with the idea of turning this into more of a tool for everyone than a niche trade. I usually say I think of it as a language, organic and fluid, whereby we can understand the psyche. This is so important.
Keep shining your light Harry! 💛
I didn't quite get to finish the book this weekend bc a camping trip went awry due to a fire ban lol! But to anyone curious, definitely check out his book.
Cognitive anthropology sounds right up my street - sadly my education here in the UK was a lot more traditional and hard nosed!
I think this system has massive potential and a countless amount of applications, which is both exciting and intimidating to think about :)
A fire ban amidst camping sounds bizarre but I hope it was otherwise authentic! And no rush on the book, really glad you've enjoyed it so far.
Outstanding rant Harry, love how you break stereotypes in a lot of your videos. A true iconoclast for the sake of truth! I discovered you only a few days ago but find your calm, methodical approach way more appealing than flashy comedy examples which base themselves on blog articles and zero research.
Cheers
I truly appreciate your words of support!
this actually resonates a lot with me as well. When I was younger I figured I was using Fe a lot to navigate situations that were toxic/difficult by reading the vibes of people/the room to know when to lie low or who to avoid (because yes, I regularly prefer to avoid conflict) and how to cheer people up. Though I have found that being able to read people's emotions despite how they might try to hide it is a double edged blade.
In the past I used to be compelled to offer assistance/advice in the hope of 'fixing' the problem which would backfire on me because people clearly disliked that I managed to see past their masks, or rather things they were terribly in denial about or refused to address and by my noticing/mentioning it made it all the more difficult to ignore. It was extremely disheartening when I used to pour all my heart and soul into encouraging someone and offering them all the possible solutions to their problems only for them to ignore me or laugh it off and continue down their destructive paths.
But as I grew older I realised I am not responsible to fix other people's problems - I definitely have enough of my own haha! I still seem to attract broken people and chaos, or perhaps I simply notice the struggles they are facing because they are around me. It's difficult though because even though the emotions of others affect me I don't like to be emotional or allow it to dictate my judgements so I come across as cold and aloof and callous which is not the case. In my opinion, sometimes we just need to be brutally honest with outselves and with others and many times we are the ones causing the chaos in our own lives by ignoring the truth. Sugar coating things doesn't make them go away.
Lmao I didn't expect to write a wall of text! That doesn't even cover how I figured out what box I seem to fit the most into! On my journey I eventually gave up trying to figure out which type I am and looked at the individual functions I seemed to exhibit. Then I looked at what I clearly struggle with that causes the most problems for me and then my automatic responses to try and resolve those problems and eventually came to ENTP. But I initially typed as an INFJ and then I figured I might be an INFJ with a Ti preference since I really do struggle to express affection. But then after a while I typed as an INTJ 60% INFJ 40%, only while I realised I was using Te a lot since I needed external structure because of being a mother of 4 I did not have that extensive future plan. Then I thought since I like to perform and am able to navigate several social situations comfortably that I might in fact be an esfp, but I really don't have any attachment to 'things' nor am I in any way sentimental..
Eventually I got fed up of trying to figure it out and just left it, looking for sources of 'real' manifestations of the cognitive functions and how they are embodied in different types depending on different situations as well as how they affect behavior.
I also managed to leave an extremely toxic marriage a year ago and since then have been able to regain my normal mode of functioning I guess without massive spikes of undue stress/depression. So having a more clear understanding based on how I behave naturally without stress and comparing it to how I behaved when under various levels of stress in the past I was able to see which functions took the lead in certain situations.
So far ENTP seems the most accurate though I wouldn't be surprised if I'm not in fact that but something else entirely 😂 it's an interesting adventure!
Oh yes all of that can apply to both INFJs and ENTPs! The good will of the ENTP and their need to fix the emotional problems within an Ne landscape make them vulnerable to toxic relationships, but the same can apply to the more outgoing INFJs too :)
I'll be uploading an ENTP-dedicated video in just over an hour so I hope this will clear things up further!
@@CognitivePersonality ooh! I look forward to it, thank you!
When I first did an online test I got INTP, and as someone in the science and engineering field, at that time it made sense. Some years later I did several more tests and most of the time I was typed as INTJ. The description of the type seemed right so I went with it. These days I'm trying to do a bit more research, as I don't believe I'm either INTP or INTJ. I think I might be an INFJ, but at this point I'm still on my journey to self-discovery.
This was SUCH a nice video. You best yet, to me! :) A lot of insight from your end, that lead to my own one's. Many correlations with me I intuit :)
Thank you!! Yes I was hoping some people would get an additional benefit from this format that they didn't from others so that's totally awesome to hear :)
INFJ on a tangent? Never haha. I was given a work evaluation one time that said I was on point, but would often go on a tangent. At the time I struggled to understand it and ultimately attributed that to my ADD but I think tangents are the way our introverted thinking gets expressed into the external world, but it’s not enough to just state facts, we really have to expound, go into the ways in which something affects another and another, and ultimately brings some global cognition or understanding of the topic and then how can that contribute something to someone else’s understanding. I guess that was my tangent to say what a Ti Fe work of art.
I know this video is quite old, I’ve watched much of your channel and not always in chronological order but I particularly love this after just watching a video/interview with you and Joyce the other day. I feel this video answered the questions that I left for you and Joyce, as I was struggling to understand if I could have a fluid or even dual typology between INFJ and I NTJ. I too have often tested per MBTI as INTJ but it just didn’t make sense 100%. Its so true about being more comfortable to own and have a slightly unconscious desire to flaunt the INTJ traits we identify with .. but just as you said, that is evidence in of itself that misaligns with the Fi of INTJ. The need to be acceptable, esteemed, easily assimilated to ones environment … I don’t think an INTJ would give this much thought.
My comment on the interview Joyce did of you spoke about being in the military, liking a sense of order and respect of a hierarchy; I have been known to create tools, handouts, based on the army values. I think holding on to the idea that I had a very strong sense of self, felt very comfortable. As I’ve pondered on it more, much of that is actually related to being in a harmonious environment that not only gives one a sense of belonging, but allows more time and energy for the Ni Ti as the Fe has already been constructed by a set of norms for that group of people; with that in place it almost allows greater use of Fe as the cognitive tasks have a meaningful purpose to the mission and comradery of the whole. I think this is why an INFJ can be a great leader, if they are leading from a place of servanthood. Actually, I will rephrase that to say that an INFJ will only naturally progress into a leadership role if it has some meaningful impact to serve humanity. I say this with quite confidence, because it is most irritable to my core when I find myself under the leadership of someone who does not value that role, but rather the personal gains it might benefit them, especially if they are not quite skilled at the task at hand. Now my NiTi wants to step in and say step aside there’s a better way to do this. Ha
I also spoke about my struggle to understand how much I enjoyed doing research, evidence based medicine, later in life.This draws upon external sources of concrete data; you said something so profound, and I don’t think I can repeat it as eloquently, so I will attempt to describe my experience. I enjoy collecting the data and following the methods meticulously but that is secondary to foremost choosing what I will test and designing the research, and later observing the data. It just makes so much sense now. I could write a 20-60pg protocol overnight. I recall people saying that it came easily for me - comments that I would respond to rather awkwardly but positively, (of course INTJ) yet it was a bit annoying if I’m being honest; they never realized that I had been planning and designing the project in my mind for quite a while before it ever hit the paper. Even the types of research that I would do … I love meta-analyses, because they are global picture of many RTC, which are the very heart of evidence based medicine, and these meta-analyses go on to create guidelines for practical use, how we practice medicine, standards of care. I took this responsibility very seriously, and was always surprised when others did not. Of course my Fe would step in, perhaps to an unhealthy degree, and pick up others slack in work in order for the greater good of the project goals and to avoid conflict. That’s not to say that there wasn’t conflict, so I’m not sure if that was my Ti getting needled or me dipping. Probably the biggest sign that my love for research can be explained by the role of FeSe in a strong NiTi is my standing rule, and if someone did a book of quotes on me, I’m sure it would be in there. We only research to publish. Because if it does not have some impact on the world around me then it’s to a degree … almost futile. Sure it’s great to come up with these things in my mind and ponder upon them but there have been many projects that were not completed due time restraints, lack of manpower etc., and their ghost lingers among my accordion files 🤓 which I will most certainly get the courage to give them a whirl in the shredder someday.
This is probably the longest comment I’ve ever left. Awesome and surprised if you are still reading , but it just really helped me understand myself by watching you. I know you want to do more informational videos, but don’t forget that you and other people are informational data. Before this video, I could have explained your theory on the cognitive stack pretty well, but not until this video did I really reconcile some key Qs. It’s quite interesting, even in the way that you speak, idiosyncrasies and nuances of how you communicate, and how you think, and even how you allow us into your world of thinking … again, this is one of your best vids. I felt the same way after watching Joyce interview you, the way, the two of you interact, it had a familiarity component. Now I’m sounding like Fi or Si (?) thanks, Harry!!
I keep trying to edit my dictation mistakes in my comment, but I’m just going to leave it alone and hopefully it makes sense. Otherwise I will waste 30 minutes being a perfectionist to get every comma etc., every sentence proper.
It's worth noting that Joyce is a cognitive ISFJ not an INFJ 😊, another amazing type.
I usually only access your information when I'm on a sorta bad obsessive loopylap and need to go to bed but fight myself, but honestly man, huge fan and I admit you have allways came off speaking my Ne-Ti through a Weird Ni-Fi lense and never understood why my best INTJ friend and INTJ mother were nothing like the INFJ thinkinGetshitdone oddballs I can count on one hand who've really stumped my conclusive understanding of the framework of the future time and time again. Thought of you as ADHD more than myself listening to your usual vids.
Hell your book is the first book Ive wanted to buy in my whole life.
But Im so impressed hearing you speak your truth and meaning calm and slow all at once (no edit) and speak of yourself (falling into your Fi through Si?) I really really for the first time ever don't just need to keep rewatching these "skimming plethorically hoping my cognition will magically download from the metalibrary of the universe and never be able to properly explain in the moment, well it was just wonderful.
Thank you for your work. I really want to see your Axis/grid design in 3d or VR glases one day (thats how I imagine it when I listen to your theories, like pieces of a chess board, or more like Goji. PS did you get a new Mic or Real time vocal compressor plugin? Everything just clicked for me without that annoying Static CLICK. I can stop procrastinating and forgive and love all my prefered self adulterated archetypal immediate real life person of reference. (see how you slowed down and I sped up? Well when I enter the intergration mode like you just were and slow down, well the others get really energized, intuitive and bombastic. Not to mention the other guys in youtube and the community, especially the ones who have been around since like 7 years ago, everyone seems to be "Clicking into their "Non turbulant assertive final forms"
Im actually going to come back, edit this comment or probably deleted it after taking a screenshot :P Also you should do a new song to celebrate the Masters and success! Gee this comment turned out longer than I had anticipated.
Great video Harry! I have learned so much from your video. It's evident in your explanation that you've put in the time to understand things in a typical INFJ fashion by putting all the pieces together and making the fundamentals more easy to understand. I feel like I've been doing the same on my own for a while now through this platform and your channel is exactly what I've been looking for! Thanks again.
This is so awesome to hear! I really appreciate your words; and yes, many hours were put into CPT (both through writing, conversation and reflection) before I felt confident enough to start communicating all this information to others :)
Thanks again Chris!
You're awesome dude! You just lit up there at the end. Thanks for sharing! I'm so inspired now!
Thank you so much - yes I did get pretty inspired towards the end of this one!
@@CognitivePersonality can I ask a question? Do you have any thoughts on how mental illness/ behavioral disorders can affect our cognitive function stacks?
@@hattrick8127 Absolutely - some conditions can cause use to favour our emotional circuits over our logical circuits (F vs T) and vice versa, while various personality disorders can completely change the way in which we engage our Feeling functions. Some conditions can even affect the ways in which we employ our lenses (N vs S)!
This is of course too much information to contain within a single video but I have a video on narcissism in the planning stages and there are other conditions I'd like to address over time :)
@@CognitivePersonality I look forward to seeing those videos!
As you talked about how this whole space could grow in the future, I thought about if we started to teach this to children. So that children understand themselves on a deeper level and how their own minds and others work. In my opinion this would make a huge impact on our society if everyone knows his real strengths and weaknesses and how we can complement each other. But anyway, maybe we get there someday, but until then, thanks a lot for your great content you are helping me so much understanding myself :)
I tend to urge caution when applying such frameworks to children as I believe it is important to let them mould their own identity as much as possible - there's definitely a way to blend it in without assigning type codes, however! Thanks for the comment :)
@@CognitivePersonality Didnt thought it about this way, but makes sense. thanks for your reply :)
in general, the VERY FIRST subtype of introversion/extroversion tends to be THE MOST PRONOUNCED.
the second subtype of i(N)tuition/(S)ensing tends to be slightly less pronounced AND more likely than the first subtype to be more variable.
the third subtype of (T)hinking/(F)eeling tends to be even less pronounced AND, it is also less about how you express yourself and more about how you interpret the world around you. therefore, because it isnt a measure of the way you express yourself and more a measure of the way you interpret the world around you, most people find this to be a shaky subtype to nail down.
the fourth subtype is REALLY MUCH LESS OF A DICHOTOMY and MORE as a gauged spectrum of perception. think of (J)udging like hyper-extended/super-powered (P)erceiving. and, that is because in order to have sound judgement you must also have clear perception.
CPT is amazing! I think that, out of all of the models based on Jungs psychological functions, it's the one which mix his original teachings with Myers Briggs "update" in the most efficient way!
Thank you for all the information and videos , they're tremendously helpful , appreciate it
Thanks for sharing your journey. I know a lil about a lot of systems and there's this bugging feeling of lack of congruence, usually due to those online descriptions you mentioned. I am excited for this channel's current and future content cause it honestly keeps making sense 😁
Side note, your discovery about the aux function(s) after going to the primary source is something I felt would happen, if i was not so lazy lol. It's encouraging me to actually give it a go.
I really appreciate your comment! I'm excited too and I'm thankful for your support :)
Haha yes it took a lot of motivation to go all the way back to dig into the primary source!
I took an MBTI test in high school for career guidance reasons, and I felt uncomfortable with the F result. I didn't feel like a feeler, I felt like a thinker, like almost an all thinking person. I felt that everyone else was more feely than me, but I didn't know about the cognitive functions behind the code at the time or how they worked. Now that I understand the Fe function better it's helped me make sense of a lot events throughout my life. One for example being a breakdown I had when attempting to read my essay in front of class. I realize my experience of Fe is like a sponge for picking up other people's feelings and getting up in front of the class with all the eyes, thoughts and feelings on me was like staring at the sun, and beyond overwhelming for me and I had a break down and had to step outside to recover. In school I intentionally kept to myself to reduce my interactions to keep my interactions with individuals more specific and hopefully meaningful while observing people and learning about them from a "safer" distance. I also had this seeming talent for knowing who was dating who, and who was going to date who before there was any observable evidence to back it. So recently I came to a thought where I think the INFJ is like a natural social economist. Being able to make predictions of social behavior off bits of information in almost an organic mathematical type process, that we just get better at over time. In my head I tend to think mathematically even though I'm not doing full out equations, but with most thinking processes I do it feels almost like an optimizing curve fitting process. And the goal in this being to have found a workable model to apply all future interactions to solve the common ills most people face. I think the motivation to solve other people's problems so that I can not be overwhelmed by their feelings through my Fe function and then can one day ideally just focus on building my Ni Ti Se for all the other cool quandaries I have yet to work to solve/experience. Like my interest in better understanding and conceptualizing physics further.
Wonderful comment, thank you for sharing your story! I certainly resonates with a lot of that :)
I relate to many things and as I watch you I also relate to some of your mannerisms. Perhaps you are also monitoring yourself as you produce videos? hyper-awareness of self?
I am detached in many ways in relation to the types shakey online profile and perpetuation of attributes people relate to the type and that can be a number of things and perhaps just neurosis in many cases.
I also got more interested in people once I understood and found meaning in the knowings I had, given words or theory to then allow for better communication and to be honest, it gave me something to be a little more interesting :D it then gave me a framework in to figure the other person out as I was conversating, often it was louder and perhaps more interesting than the conversation itself. Once I understood the differences it then allowed me to know where I fit in and understand them in a way in which would avoid difficulty, for example, being too abstract to a sensor. Learning was like looking through an old telescope that once adjusted, then gave clarity to what was being viewed in an intuitive blur.
Once you learn cognitive functions and how they relate it then is difficult to even look at a test again. I was tested by a certified practitioner, but even doing the tests after and then learning, I did not trust myself in some ways. It's like cheating on a test because you have seen the answers and how some tests are set up.
Yes! Cheers for such a great comment :)
You hit the nail on the head there - I'm constantly monitoring my behaviour and reflecting on the words that leave my mouth as I try to steer my discourse in a way that I hope will benefit the listener while remaining authentic.
This all sounds very much like my own journey; exactly, as soon as there was an application conversation became much more vigorating. Sometimes what you draw from the conversation may very well be of higher personal value than the actual exchange, for sure!
I often find that with tests as it is often (though not always) painfully transparent what function is being measured by the question, leading to a strong potential for cognitive bias on our part!
This was deep. These descriptions were interesting, and I agree there is value in picking a little from multiple systems and coming to one's own conclusions. I don't think any one system has all the answers, but streamlining things in the future would be better. Haven't checked out your book yet but plan to soon. A lot of the way you described Fe here I could identify with. I am always able to read the emotions of a room, and am effected by the emotional climate of an environment, but I am not a natural host, or huggy either. I also think of humanity as a whole a lot, however I am also deeply in tune with how I personally feel too. This is why I figured I was/am an introverted feeler.
Exactly!
Fi-doms often possess a keen Fe in my experience, but it is also fairly divergent and thus quite similar to that of the INFJ. Both types tend to place theory in the context of humanity, but my primary dialogue is often highly detached from my limbic system while the 'huggy' side of Fe is something I find easier to activate than my Fi-using friends :)
I view it as percentage levels on a spectrum rather than a box. My number one disclaimer if I even speak about personality types in person 😆 I absolutely loved this video thank you!
Maybe this is just me, but INFJs usually either look very detached, cold, and emotionless or welcoming, kind, and empathetic. Maybe this is a general trait, but I think the middle FeTi slots of the INFJ can definitely cause that sort of "melting pot" of mixed signals that add to their character.
To be honest I experience such polarity in myself!
As I listen to you..
It's the middle of the night...
And I happened to be playing another video of yours (how introvetted intuition works).. as I lay in bed when this one begins to play .. And I awake again from my partial slumber..
And now hearing your explanations and thoughts, I get up to watch you because
I am resonating and I want to see the man explain himself and feel his way through this as he speaks ...
Remembering too my initial confusion in discovering how my mind was working/ and what was my type... INFJ..A
(the first video I heard from you - long ago, it seems now - was why there are so many people in the MBTI community who think they are INFJs..
And then I lost your face as I was listening to so many different things and you were not being suggested in my feed...nevertheless I thought at the time - now here is a guy who makes sense..
But I think he's a bit over my head...
being much farther down this personality thing than I care to go..
But anyway.. First introduction...)
And as I listen, I am feeling and wondering ..
As you explain your vision for those who follow personality theory to move on and coaslece upwards into a higher plane that helps all types... All individuals...
All who are humans ..
Do you know we are connecting with His mind?
That is what I want to understand..
How that works...
How this type is connecting to His mind .. What is my part there...
In finding the path..
"Psa 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path."
What is the great mind we are tapped into? Whose? To know that connection.
So I have to give pause...
And just affirm all you are saying and feeling but also..
Add...
I'f you have not found that path,
then you do not yet know the way.
"Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen."
Personality theory is one thing.
This is another.
But somehow they are connected.
Will be listening to hear you explain this one.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for searching.
May you find the path.
"Psa 16:11 Thou wilt shew me the path of life."
Wow, I loved this! Thank you for sharing :)
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I was married to an INTJ and though we both believed meeting each other was like finding a needle in a haystack...and I felt he was probably the only one that intuitively understood me...I experienced often lack of understanding in emotional responsiveness feedback loop.
Yes INTJs often have amazing relational empathy but the emotional feedback doesn't always match what's being inwardly experienced!
@@CognitivePersonality I wish I learned this stuff earlier on about myself and others yet don't regret the lessons 🌜🌛 thanks for sharing of yourself
@@TreasureSeasons I wish I had been younger learning about functions too, Liza. I always knew I was thinking differently than a lot of people, and they did tell me at 25 that I was "balance brained"/slightly right brained, when I took a test for a course i was taking, but nothing about functions. I guess when we were 25 it wasn't as out there as it is today.
@@melbeth79 cheers to continuing unfolding 🤗
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I relate a lot to your story, most accurate infj videos I have seen so far. Not fan of public comments but just to let you know. Don't stop, you're doing good.
Thanks so much for taking the time to comment in spite of that, it's much appreciated! Cheers, glad it's relatable :)
This was very interesting, and relatable! I've been interested in mbti for quite a while now, and I'm quite sure I'm an INFJ as well, and a lot of what you've said in this video and the others you've made are the reasons why I haven't been 100% sure. With that said, I'm not sure now either. I am quite sure I have dominant Ni and inferior Se, however I can Imagine having Fi, and perhaps Te, but also of course Fe and Ti (more so based on how I act I think). So I would love a video on the difference between INFJ and INTJ!
Cheers Emelie! That's totally reasonable and I would stress that I have in my videos so far painted an INFJ stack with a slightly above-average T:F ratio in order to help people differentiate between this type and others it tends to be confused with - particular the INFP as they tend to employ a lot of Ni in their cogitations.
That being said, the INFJ and INTJ comparison video is towards the top of my list so expect that within the next few weeks :)
I certainly get the ebb and flow of concietiousness, I can be all go on say, being a counsellor, which I am, but then I just don't want to be around anyone anymore and just sink myself into reading more and learning more about counselling and how us humans think, feel, behave etc. Which will then lead me to want to re-intake clients again, just to test these theories while making the world and individuals lives better (I hope, at least).
But there's times I just have such lethargy that I cannot be bothered with any of that, which will send me to learning another thing I'm curious about, like art, so now I'm in the art phase, not seeing many clients, sinking myself into creation as the outlet, but I still want that art to be useful to this world. (Making it from recyclable materials).
Next, I was drawn to gardening, so I can see dreams of sustainability realised, again doing my part to help the world, growing own veggies, fruit, but beautiful gardens too. But then, times I'm doing nothing active......
Love your video, have bought your book, Aussie, so different link than yours down below, looking forward to reading it and absorbing it xxx thanks Harry.
Cheers Melissa! Yes we have a huge side to ourselves that just wants to be left alone to our thoughts and creative endeavours, and such is the forward motion and desire for emotional expression that we will dip into side-projects that facilitate this, especially when our core focus is suffering a dip in emotional feedback :)
As you say though, as great a purpose as art serves for our emotional well-being the Fe-authority drives an employment towards affecting the social world around us.
And I hope you enjoy the book! :)
@@CognitivePersonality I know I will!
Y'know what's funny? The first time I ever took a personality test, it was 16personalities when I was 15 (8 years ago), and I got INFJ. I doubted it, and then went through 6 YEARS of overthinking functions, dichotomies, other systems in my head. In that time I went from considering myself an INFP then ENTP then INTJ respectively, before 2 years ago finally realizing a test not even using functions just miraculously happened to be entirely right the whole time.
Sameeeeee
Someone said the website are wrong but but sometimes they can be right
Very cool. I agree that the T vs F and P vs J dichotomies in the MBTI tests are the equivalent of Agreeableness vs Disagreeableness and Conscientiousness vs Unconsciousness on the Big Five model.
Indeed there is a huge overlap!
This was a really interesting video to watch. It felt really personal to me idk why and i just felt like, i could completely understand what you went through and i felt like i was there talking to you. You have certainly improved on camera now, clear differences, and your type journey is by far the most intriguing one i have come across.
Thank you so much! :)
Heh, talking to the camera still feels odd but the thousands of eyes staring back at me no longer feel quite so daunting!
I like that you use the word 'code' and all it implies, to me, anyway. I am not huggy, in fact I mostly prefer people do not hug me, and I usually only initiate if I can feel it is wanted/expected and know it would be more long term trouble to avoid than just do. Just found you through a link someone put in a forum and have only had time to watch two of these. Looking forward to more.
I'm often similar! When Fe is more divergent it operates more on the observation of consequence and is thus more careful in any 'Fe gesture'.
Also it's nice to know someone shared my channel - awesome! I hope you enjoy my other videos :)
I also test as INFJ, INTJ and INTP and originally Identified with INTJ mostly because it was the only type description that was relatable to a person, INTP descriptions were a combo of robot and mad scientist, INFJ descriptions just mentioned reading a room and rare, rare is usually mentioned a lot, as many as 7 times in one description on a popular site, I started counting 3 to 5 was the average at the time. My conclusion was the only thing written worse than an INTP description was an INFJ description, which lead me to cognitive functions and I´ve been hooked ever since it still was difficult because I related to both Ni and Ne but I think you kind of have to use one to balance the other? Still not completely sure about my type but I still am completely fascinated with typology and it has been beneficial in understanding others. Thanks about telling your journey of self discovery.
Yes, INFJ, descriptions tend to be worse than the others, particularly in regards to cognitive functions.
Relating to both Ni and Ne, this can owe partially to poor function descriptions, but on the whole INTPs and INFPs have a great deal of Ni activation (particularly relation to the function) wheareas the convergent nature of Ni within an INTJ and INFJ tends to focus on singular possibilities :)
As someone who has had a somewhat convoluted and turbulent path to finding my type, I feel that there is a key aspect or factor that is often glossed over that can really sabotage all our effort when self typing. Up until recently, I couldn't separate my ideal self, which strongly resembled what you described in the ENTP empath video, with my actual type (the philosophical INT-Fs). The fact was, up until about a week ago, I wasn't ready to type myself, I had personal issues to work through to get to this point. Can you possibly do a video on what gets in the way of self typing and what place one has to be mentally in order to honestly type one's self?
Also: Your videos have been a great help with working through my past issues and learning how to be ok with who I am. I greatly appreciate the work you are doing.
I have a self-typing video in the pipeline and will absolutely endeavour to discuss the place one should be in emotionally & mentally before self-typing becomes a viable option!
Thank you, that means a lot to hear :)
Thank you, Harry! Personal experience adds a new emotions in the content of channel. And I agree the additional video slicing can make a video more lively and vivid. I think the type of personality can change after time and depend on deep external and internal processes. Harry, can you imagine, in one beautiful morning you can wake up and became other type, for example ISFJ or again INTJ?
Yes it must be quite interesting seeing this after being familiar with my music for so long!
Yeah visuals are definitely the next step for improvement :)
This is why I wrote CPT - personality as a whole can change, and while cognitive type will remain more static (aka we will always prefer one function to another but can learn to access others despite this) this too can be trained.
Great vid on how to determine, appreciate and guide your personality type. Plenty of feeling. Thx.
My pleasure, thanks for the great comment!
I’ve always test as INTJ or INFP. I’ve never actually tested INFJ, but there is no doubt that my wiring is INFJ. Your development pattern is exactly describes my path.
Awesome!
+ in response to your other comment (that I can't seem to find!), I'm North East England :)
@@CognitivePersonality I'm sorry, I deleted my question because you said that you were
British later in the video. I really appreciate you and all the INFJs out there posting videos that have been an absolute Godsend to us INFJs.
I feel the same. I can't say if I'm INTJ or INFP
Hello so I've been into mbti for around two months now. Gone through a cycle of tests and came to the conclusion they were utter shite around a few weeks ago which is where I've been looking into cognitive functions. Personally i have seen bits of fi, si, and fe, in me primarily I think those are my strongest cognitive functions based on past experiences and opinions from people I know in my life. From the 4 people in real life that I asked all 4 said I was "easy going" "insecure" "supportive" "kind" and "caring" person.a negative they all had in common was that they sensed I had a lot of self doubt and was extremely harsh to myself which in retrospect I do agree with. I have major perfectionist tendencies when I can be bothered to take a interest in something.
In addition I decided to ask people that I was close to online. The three online people said almost the same as easy going and easy to talk too but one added I do bounce a lot from topic to topic. I understand now it's not behaviour that matters but the patterns. I found a article that also said to identify the tertiary or inferior are the hardest parts with it being fully developed in later age of life is there any truth to this. I'm 19 currently and based off of the stories of my past that I can think of there is a consistent holding onto the past especially people and certain experiences. I still think deeply about the friendships I've lost over the years and I stopped playing football because of a certain negative experience I had when I was younger and only liked playing it with people I was familiar with. My mum did describe me as a person who spends a lot of time on his own and someone who gets lost in his own thoughts. In addition to this I have been shifting from interest to interest recently. I have been obsessed with my height, my body, fitness at one point, a girl, how proportionate my entire body was, safe to say I have phases where I get obsessed with things lmao.I do find Im still obsessing over the friends I have and to make sure they are okay and when they ignore me it really frustrates me and I do get misunderstood frequently. I think I have just been obsessing with mbti because of how fascinating it is. And everytime I think I'm one type I find out i have a more preference for another. (I have repeatedly tested out of INFP in tests infjs a couple of time and most recently isfj, second time) one more thing to add is that I do struggle to maintain focus and can never just sit and get straight to doing the task at hand and have a tendency to do something like shake my leg whilst subconsciously thinking or just doing something sat down(my family always have a go at me for doing so) etc All in all I think I've confused myself to be honest I also think I might doing some ni behaviour so that is just confusing me further😂😂
I'd appreciate some help thank you :)))))))
Haha, yep! There's so much variance too, as you say! Happy to be of assistance on the journey :)
EJ 123
Doesn't seem like you got much personal help here... Yet.
I am 68. I tested INFP initially and wondered to myself at the time - that's interesting but hmmm, I thought I was predominantly intuitive. Oh well. And off I went another direction leaving MBTI for a season.
Took me awhile to return, listen more, and look at cognitive functions to figure out how my mind was really working.
I am probably really an INFJ. So - OK.
Still - being primarily preoccupied with figuring out what's really going on out there behind the surface narrative - I again didn't look very deeply at the INFJ profile either. Except to find initial gratification in a profile that put the intuitive function as dominant.
I was then confused because I thought - well I am also always thinking. Can't even shut that down at times. So how can that be.
But now I see that this too is part of being an INFJ-... A.
And the A part shows up in my comments below. Read on.
For yourself you seem to be all over the map and looking for someone to tell you who you are.
Well..
No one will.
No one merely human really can.
It's a journey. I am thankful I am past rhe painful part. It took me a long time and many years of doubt and searching. Knew nothing of MBTI back then which has actually only recently been helpful and interesting - to find there is a pattern here and that others have it too - was actually very reassuring. I am not alone in this.
But honestly EJ - can I be very blunt and say -
you better figure out fast who you are and where you will stand.
We are entering the most complex and perilous time in human history - in my humble opinion, as they say.
You had better ask the author of life who you are. He alone can tell you. And if you do connect - I can tell you from personal experience - you will never be alone again and you will have true help.
And joy.
I would say - good luck - but luck is no part of this.
"Luk 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you."
Nevertheless.. Good fortune.
"Num 6:24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: 25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:."
So - may we be graced.
@@carol5606 i have my faith and will not drop it the same way you have your faith and will not drop it. the typology journey is very personal to me and i will agree i am all over the place but i have come to understand the cognitive functions more recently and the consistent behavioural patterns i find myself doing regardless of what my subjective opinion says. i do get offended really easily and have always been thinking about the past greatly and will continue to do so regardless of what someone says. i am pretty confident i am fi/ne due to me knowing my likes and dislikes and how much i do not budge to try to and please others. i especially love my inner world and sticking to my personal si comfort routine. my ne was something i recently within the last few years starting getting to grips with to pull me out of the constant depressive thoughts of the past.. Additionally because of how bad i am in organising information i couldn't accept ni or si due to constantly getting more and more information when i have a spark in me. But my fi matters the most due to how aggressive i can get when someone tries going against my values or really just says something that instantly triggers me and i go into hulk mode and i tend to do that against people due to the te inferior function and how much i value individuality against the "tribe". Also because of how much i disrupt the harmony in groups and will not lose who i am to try and fit in. i like to remain reserved and will remain reclusive. si is really just a comfort spot for me as ive learned because i am really disorganised and after seeing true si doms and seeing how organised they are in having their shit together is actually kind of envious and i most certainly do not (As you can indicate with my previous comment aha) However i am young so its entirely possible im the same lost kid as everyone else my age but im learning to ne due to myt imagination being a lot more vivid and rich then others as ive come to learned from doing a personal questionaire with input given from peers (very helpful in cermenting the facts of which function i lean towards based off of their thinking) and thus can come to a conclusion after many, many moments of confusion (Due to my ne with not wanting to settle) and how much this journey mattered to me however i can easily drop it shut off and go back to my comfort zone but my brain is a lot happier when im gathering the new information ive found.ireciate the advice you have given and will take what i can to help improve myself. it is fairly obvious for me that infp fits me perfectly however i do remain careful to not let it define me i am well aware of the dangers from all this researching i have been doing from people that do let it define them. i will take it on board to help me do better in real life situations with my disorganization and use my ne in the right way which i feel is the whole essence of typing yourself in the first place. I hope i do not offend you Carol and would like to thank you for taking the time out of your day to help assist me :).
EJ 123
Well as I read your lengthy description, it sounds to me like you've got good insights into what is going on inside. I'm actually not qualified to make any comment on the many subtleties of personality theory (have not studied it enough), so we can both be thankful many others have. Maybe you will happen across someone who can "unravel" the maze and help you see even more clearly. It's always helpful to know how we gather information and make decisions. I found understanding the cognitive functions the key. But I am actually off in another direction now trying to see how much time we have left to do any of this - given the world controllers and their agenda.
So.
Only stopping to encourage you in your endeavor. Hope you continue to gain insight and to enjoy the journey. Be well
😊
I'd like to hear what you think of the temperament matrix. I've watched a video in which you explain how cognition and behavior are hard to correlate and that's what the matrix seems to do. I'd love to hear your ideas on it and ofc keep up the good work.
I'm an infp, and have been sure of it the whole time, and took another test today after a few years to make sure. I'm just nosey after watching the infp infj comparison, I've always clashed with infj, and thought I might just have known difficult ones. You're cool though
You're fantastic. I enjoyed it. Thanks a lot 👏🏻
Thank you! 😃
There’s a lot of takeaways here… I relate to a lot of it.
Unfortunately, I relate to so many aspects of what people say about themselves that it becomes almost more confusing and unhelpful - for me, personally.
The “attitude” that has been most associated with me is the Frank James version of the “INTJ”.
Hmm.. but what’s interesting, is you mentioning INTJs having so much empathy, which is indeed true of me.
But I also loathe self-righteousness. And I tend to associate that with Fi… in a general sense, I think.
Which is why I’ve wondered about ESTP and ENTJ.
I TESTED as INFJ the first time - and my brother, an officer in the USAF, had pegged me as much… they pegged him for ISTJ, and his buddy for INTJ.
So… comparing myself to them, it only seemed right to accept the label - BUT I COULDN’T.
I told my brother after reading the MBTI descriptions on humanmetrics (or watching the videos), that I FELT like an ENTP…
That I was forced into introversion because of being a REAL TARGET at a very small school… and because home wasn’t so.. um… easy.
Not getting into that.
That was 11 years ago that I tested as that. Fact of the matter is, I understand the MBTI system easily enough to test as anything on purpose. Too easy.
But very inaccurate… (when I see people say, “I tested as THIS 3 TIMES! I’m a REAL INTP!!” Or WHATEVER type… I’m like… LOL. No.)
Point being - for a good while now, I’ve been REALLY wondering about ENTJ.
Te just FEELS like home to me.
So does Ni.
I use Fe, for sure. I think it’s important.
I’m definitely not fond of chaotic people who refuse order or integrity. I am also not fond of having 15 tasks. I am ROUTINELY doing 15 tasks for my mom as a child, but now more lovingly for my wife…
BUT I AM A MAN ON A MISSION AND PEOPLE WON’T GET OUT OF MY WAY.
And I don’t have the heart to literally shut people out the way I feel like I need to.
Because they’re close to me…
But I definitely fit Jung’s idea (USED TO…) that the Te Dom will basically invest into the work even to the point of the family (accidentally) going without some necessary comforts for a while…….
I’m not nearly as bad as I used to be in that way.
But I’m very empathetic. Which… I don’t care if that collides with Te Dom. It is just a fact that I can only explain through my Introverted Intuition and, now that you mention it, Introverted Feeling I suppose… I’m not a BUBBLY empath, but I care and communicate it directly - sometimes straightforwardly, sometimes more cautiously.
I can use any instrument or machine INSTANTLY.. my body IS a machine which is able to extend itself further with any object - no problem.
I am rambling…
About myself. Stupid.
I also care about REALITY as it is. It’s a common theme for me, “Don’t be delusional. THIS IS REALITY.”
I believe Se supports my Te… but I was forced into my “divergent” functions early on, so I developed into something else.
Cognitive function tests don’t make heads or tails of me. Some of them just fail and load a screen saying, “Modify your choices” or something like that..
Which is why I went straight for Chapter X of Jung’s Psychological Types to begin my REAL journey.
I started to form a hyper cube, or like a matrix of 16 points in my mind… and I began to see pressure being applied in the matrix of points, where dragging an invisible mass across the field matrix lit up each of the points variably according to the mass and location of the point. I then noticed that our cognition, ASSUMING there are no other functions to speak of, can be likened to a mathematical matrix.. and we have a kind of general location…
Like an electron before it’s measured/observed…
But whenever we measure it, we see those magnitudes as a snap shot of that moment.
BUT, the electron will always perfectly orbit the nucleus… the core of who someone is.
And then I found your videos… and then I was BLOWN AWAY to see your latest video pop up. I had shown my wife an image I created months ago… so I showed her the image from your Thumbnail… and she lit up!
I said, “I KNOW! He drew 1 side of the hyper cube!! Maybe my idea isn’t so crazy after all!”
She thinks I should put my stuff out there…
But I think that is I cannot DEFINITIVELY nail my type (or, assuming I’m individuated to a greater degree, what my type WAS) then I can’t really claim ANY kind of authority…
I can type others… pretty well.
My wife sees me as INTJ. Maybe she is right.
Anyway…
A very small reciprocation to your very interesting video about your journey.
i used to grow to maintain balance with the wind, but sometimes i cut the whole tree down just to be able to grow again.
Now ive learned to maintain the fruits, so once more other animals can share their knowledge
Love the analogy - sometimes such means of ensuring constant growth can indeed yield the greatest fruit longterm :)
I was tested as intp for many years and recently convinced that I am actually an infj after watching a good video on ni, because ni is always described as a mystic function which I don't really resonate with as I can usually describe my insights quite easily (though very abstractly, in hindsight it is obvious that I am a ni-Dom), I think it is partially due to my interest in math or just the nature of ni-ti itself so that I want to be pricise, the ni-fi of intj and entj seems to fit more with stereotype of ni of knowing the answer without explanation, for example i know an intj, let say he doesn't tend to explain his thought process, but it can also be due to my mathematical interest and in consequence a rather developed ti.
I think the mbti test that rely on dichtomies is especially bad at testing infj, for example infj tends to be rather let say non-proactive and passive, they are in their mind and they don't tend to make detailed schedule and tend to not actually following it, so they tend to be tested as p. They also tend to be cerebral (ni-ti), so they tend to tested as t(ok the stereotype of t being Cerebral is already a bad one), and according to your theory, their fe-se is divergent so the manifestation is more subtle, mine is quite subtle that I don't notice that I am using it very often. If their fe-se is more active, they might be tested as an e. My point is that the test is rather inaccurate especially for infj, so I suspect there is a lot more infj that the statistics suggest.
Another thing is that I was depressed and antisocial when I was in secondary school, so I thought I must have low fe, but some of the stereotypical low fe behavior that I have is probably due to low se, for example talking a bit too loud sometimes (I think I am quiet enough), I also tend to be very passive aggressive at the time which actually requires fe now I think about it and I thought it is ti.
But now I think about I have ni tendency from a very young age, for example i always plan ahead and dislike surprises, wanting to put everything in a unified framework which sparked my interest in mathematics in the first place, I am also in a very ni-heavy subfield in math. I think in hindsight, all of it is very obvious
Your right the tests are largely inaccurate I always test as INTJ & I'm typed by CPT as a divergent TiNi ENFJ. I'm extremely cerebral and lean much more heavily into TiNi as opposed to out there in the world in FeSe. I've always been much more introverted/an ambivert socially at best.
Ha! I had the same thing happen to me, originally! I got “ENFP” when I took my first test, at 17, and now I am 33 and am extremely confident that I am an “ENTP,” instead! I think it’s really to eithe Mis-type as your “Sibling type,” like us! Or for say an ENFP to Type as an INFP, and etc……..
What about Typing by Interaction style & Temperament matrix of a person (By Linda Berens).
1. Initiating vs Responding
2. Direct Vs Informative
3. Outcome vs Progression
4. Concrete vs Abstract
5. Systematic vs Interest
6. Pragmatic vs Affliative
How well does this system work in typing someone? (In addition to Cognitive functions, where they can get confusing to properly identify?)
Wow, thanks for sharing and wait, did you just say that you can see the people watching?
Has the community united bringing their systems together for the greater good of those who get typed yet? Have you seen the typing community get better on TH-cam or not so much? Interesting outlooks.
I think i got my type down by now but man it was rough and now took me 2-3 years. My problem was that for as long as I could remember I learned pretty quickly and was very good with logic problems (maths physics and science in general). And as a person who is more extroverted and rather engages with the world than just observe it I initially thought and scored an Entp typing. But after a while i felt like that typing didnt really match because i generally dont feel like I use my Si together with Ti. I believe that I dont really think in boxes and I am not really afraid that im not that creative.
I rather use that ti for are wholeistic vision of how im going to contribute to society. I discovered a passion for psychology and medicine in my late years of Highschool and then proceeded to get into med school.
I think i rather fit into the enfj category.
I would be really interesting to know if Entp is a common mistyping for Enfj‘s with rather good Ti.
Sorry if my text was hard to read english is my second language have a wonderful day!
Here’s my problem:
I can relate to all of the things you’ve said, except the Fe part.
I’m heavily interested into the mechanics and objectivity of the world, just for the sake of it and with little to no interest in the human part of it.
Human problems were and are always problematic, vague and hard to undrestand for me. At the opposite of that, my Fi is very strong. I’m REALLY picky on every choice in my life, whether it’s my career, the way i live, the things i eat, the games i play, the music i hear, the movies i watch, all of them are constantly going through this filter of “which one of these are ME?” Or “which one of these are representative of MY own beliefs and interests”
Anything that comes in conflict with my own personal interests is immediately removed.
So far, i know that I’m a Heavy Ti user, but i can feel dashesh of Te, although it’s very mild. I’m an Ni user and I’m pretty shit at Ne.
I’m a very heavy Fi user as well.
Ni Ti Fi? Three introverted functions?
That doesn’t add up with the personality theory.
Wow Harry, so intellectual, components, function, a plan on a Whiteboard. How does your Intuition report to you. Is it in colour, with smell and music, or is it laid out in a linear data strip coming out of a fax machine? When you see a person's actions that interest you , do you ever want to explore the lifestyle that brings about that interesting character snapshot? Be an ABCD Harry. It's great because A stands for Anything. Love to see some of that INFJ humour.
This was great to hear.
Really related to the, "but that would be three introverted functions..."
There have been times where it has felt as if my functions are out of order, that I use ones I "don't have" more than ones I "do have." There were other things too where I even went, "could I possibly be, dare I say it, INFJ? ...nah." I've never believed it likely before and I honestly don't even want to be one, amazing though they may be.
Because I have autistic friends a thought that's crossed my mind often lately is, could autism be due, at least in part, to certain cognitive functions being over-activated? Either within their natural stack or despite it? Have you had any thoughts on this or similar topics?
One of my friends has an exceptional memory recall, basically anything they hear they'll remember forever, and is very sensitive to external stimuli and has a hard time dealing with sudden changes, which sounds like an extreme variant of Si. (As far as i understand it, anyway.)
And while I recognize these tend to be considered general traits of autism they're not nearly as pronounced in our other autistic mutual friends.
My understanding of the functions is still sadly limited, as such I'm not readily able to identify them within others, or even myself, and may even still be victim to the prolific misinformation going around, though I do believe I have gotten better.
At 13, I was typed an INTJ by a test consisting of only 8 questions. Through understanding your ‘understandings’ 😅, I am becoming more certain that I’m actually an INFJ.
I hope I can find a way to develop my Te like you do to codify your insights. I can imagine Jung having gone through a similar cognitive process when he devised his theories (if he were an INFJ, that is).
I’m definitely going to binge watch your videos once I find time to!
It's pretty likely Jung was an INFJ :)
Hehe, cheers!
You can tell the comments are mostly from INFJ's because they are so long and well thought out. LOL That's what I do on most of the videos I watch (not always lengthy, but not uncommon for my comment to be longer than everyone else's).
Anyone else think he looks a little like Hugh Laurie?
29:37 This function that valued, or took into consideration that social order; protocol in the world around us.
Hey harry where did you start with this journey of codifying your understanding?
I mostly spent these last nine years passively watching educational TH-cam videos and reading.
I wanted to establish external reliable systems and tools for practical uses and decision making.
I had a moderate traumatic brain injury as a 10 year old child. Is it possible my personality changed? How would it affect my type? Test results are even for INFJ and ISFJ.
Watching in 2021. I absolutely loved this video. Bravo
So Im an INFP and I had a similar experience with resonating more with the INTP description. I think often the descriptions of INFPs are almost like were not logical. Which I think we aren't that. Im very logical and philosophical while also being very passionate and emotional. So for a long time I thought I was an INTP...
Yes the picture the dichotomies paint of the INFJ can be a little ridiculous, and the Ti of the INFJ is often falsely perceived as a 'tertiary' function :) I remember going through a prolonged phase of exploring the INTP personality back in the day!
With Fe for me, it is always there but not thought about, it's just something I do, yet people I think do not understand or may judge it from Fi narrative/bias or different functional position, it doesn't have to be consciously wanting to create harmony or about the other, it just is, so when they see Fe run out in situations and a push to put things in place to move forward, it often gets tiring if say the other person wants to stay in that spot and not move to resolve and move forward, this then can make the INFJ look cold or irked by the depletion. I think INFPs are better off in this position with people and not quick to give an opinion and move the person, perhaps. Fe again for me can be a curse because it will naturally check on other before self, it is the kind of thing that will not enjoy the moment because it is looking out, for instance, If I play music I am consciously aware of noise for the neighbors...noise in general, it can be editing my language because of, in certain situations it conforms, even when it doesn't want to. Yet and maybe because of my enneagram configuration, I am Individual and have that focus on me, so that kinda relates to what Fi seems, but perhaps that is another function and not Fi. Fe is also how we communicate and express and is more a social barometer. As for absorbing peoples emotions, I do wonder on how some really push this with the profile, sure I can get understanding and feel others, but I do wonder on how much is unconscious pick up and maybe even projection in some cases...look at people with social anxiety, they may be projecting and thinking it Fe, most of the profile you can perhaps equate to neurosis and even perhaps the idea of subtypes...why a type perhaps slips or prefers to be in a certain configuration, maybe even forced or in survival or shut off, It's interesting.
Oh yes, the INFJ is very much affected by Fi albeit in a more unconscious manner :)
Re: Fe, as a divergent function in the stack it will play a more passive role and as a result seldom be a function we perceive ourselves 'using'. For myself, Fe is, conversely, something I 'experience'.
Hey you might not see my message but do you think Daenerys Targaryen is a ENFJ or INFJ? because she very much fits ENFJ but a lot of people keep trying to make her into a INFJ because they think she was introverted.
I lean more on the ENFJ side here - Ni drives a purpose of Fe reform to be tangibly realised in concrete reality; there is little Se detachment nor much in the way of Ni-Ti contemplation.
@@CognitivePersonality thank you so much ! i was confused on the Ni-Ti contemplation but now it makes sense
Would you say that the authority could act as a sort of motivation behind the study and vision of a cognitive type? Or would that depend on whether the authority function is a codec or lens function?
Indeed the authority tends to be the driving force - an ISTP would be informed by tangible concrete experience and thus as abstract as their internal process might be it works to a concrete agenda; an ENTP socialises in order to refine and practice skillsets and acquire more information. This will vary from one person to another, but the authority will always have an indirect influence :)
To be honest, I don’t like to deal with other INFJs. Ni dom people don’t dwell on the same subject or come into the same conclusion. It is more frustrating than kinship feeling. I personally prefer sensor’s company. I feel more grounded after the time together. Ni and Ne dom people can exhaust me mentally. It is like floating in the vacuum, fun at first but tiring after awhile.
I'm becoming increasingly appreciative of such types as I myself grow and develop - I used to limit my interactions to those provlicated to abstract discussions, but the more I value action and self-transformation the more I seek conversation more experiential in nature :)
@@CognitivePersonality were you friends with sensors in elementary school? My childhood friend is a sensor. She pulled me out of my head to pay attention to 5 senses. Later I did prefer to date guys who think, analyze, or philosophize. One ex I suspect was ISTP had helped me to grow more than the intuitive types though. He told me to breathe and savor the moment all the time. That relationship was contentious because we were too different but he did become a great friend to this day.
@@33Jenesis There was a nice split between sensors (ISTP and ESTP) and intuitives (INTJ and INTP) - honestly sometimes the latter felt more like sensors than the former!
I get typed ENFP a lot especially by socionics whilst I'm quite certain I'm an ENTP
I'm not a huge fan of socionics to be entirely honest!
Socionics. Ok.
Which of Jung's works developed your understanding of Typology and your own personal type. I've seen so many contradictory views in search of my own type that I need to go back to the source. Do you have recommendations???
Absolutely - foremost I recommend reading Psychological Types. He has referenced type in other works but this is the book that he dedicated to the subject.
Personally I am of the mind he put more time into understanding Ni, Ti, Te and Fi than other functions, but in understanding his original intentions you can employ the law of opposition to understand how it would all fit together within a type :)
@@CognitivePersonality Thank you so much!!!
Do you help develop people based on their type? I think I'm an INFP but not certain as I've had INTP results aswell and I understand test results aren't 100% but do you think you could create one that is?
I do, but I currently do it via recurring consultations. Someday in 2021 I'll have a fleshed out program too :)
U r almost crying ❄✨
Thank you for sharing 😊👍😉
My pleasure :)
Whaaaaat??? I thought that u r infp/ intp. But... yes, you've had Fe vibe :) did 16 personalities shown u good type?
Ooooohhh, so this is why I always got either INTJ or ISTP, I would never get a feeling type no matter how many times I would take the test
Exactly!
Hey harry
I thought you were initially Irish because of your accent. Or are you a British scot?
I‘m a 15 year old and I often wonder how I should take the test bc I‘m still developing and 2 years ago I was a complete different person (I feel like) so should I wait taking the test?
I would advice waiting for sure - at this age the interaction between your two auxiliary functions (auxiliary and tertiary in MBTI terms) will still be developing - I would advise waiting a year at least, but in the meantime acquaint yourself with the cognitive functions and keep in mind it takes time to discover your true type :)
I took some test on three different websites, one came out INF something... Then the other two were INFJ but I didn't believe it cause I don't think I'm rare... My concern is can past experiences influence ones personality type?
Past experiences cannot influence type, but they can influence the way the type manifests (e.g. an INFJ favouring their Fi over Ti in decision making) and, more importantly, the behaviour that personality tests measure.
For example, as we go through life, we may become more sociable, we may learn to favour logic over emotions, and we may become more conscientious. None of these factors change cognitive type, but they can cause us to answer differently on online tests.
I often receive ENTJ results, for example, because as I have changed throughout the course of my life I have developed a strong Thinking function and became more extraverted. My cognitive stack (NiTi FeSe), however, remains unchanged. This is part of the reason why tests are unreliable in determining type.
Hey man no disrespect but I would have some doubts regarding you being an INFJ. Like i would say where is the Fe ? I don’t see it. By the way I am not that expert so please clarify if I am mistaken.
He explained this. He leans a little more into the Ti. These things are on a spectrum really. Not every INFJ fits into that advocate archetype. Some people with Fe parent don’t necessarily need to help everyone but are still deeply affected and in tune with people and what makes them tick emotionally per se. considering how into cognition he is I would almost guarantee he is an Fe user because a heavy Fe user would have the most interest in psychology by default. Te users (intj) Would be heavily invested into systems absent a human element. Fe isn’t always about the fuzzies and everyone is completely unique. I realized after many years of testing into intj (and lots of study) that I am also an INFJ. Another good way to tell (in my opinion) is if you need to resolve a conflict RIGHT NOW. my wife needs space to process and it completely stresses me out to wait on her to mull things over but I the same time if an issue is between others not connected to me and it’s not effecting my life in any way, I’m not that inclined to go play counselor with them either. Most important take away is NO two people are exactly alike and no one fits perfectly into a cognitive “type”.
I'm an ENFJ & I'm no Fe fest this is largely due to the stereotypes of Fe being associated with this huggy kissy function when it's actually the complete antithesis particularly for ENFJs who tend to be stoic & serious. Plus, I'm a divergent TiNi ENFJ & thus come off as very cerebral. Remember SeFe & FeSe trade breadth of social connection for depth of social connection hence we're hardly the life & soul of a party. Due to MBTI stereotypes associated with the functions many mistype as us & many people don't type themselves accurately. Harry is quite clearly an NiTi abstract cerebral philosopher and his Fe is serving a humanitarian agenda. It just goes to show that you can't misequate personality facets with cognition. BTW I always as INTJ on the fallacious online MBTI tests and sometimes ENTP albeit I'm pretty introverted.
He's a man so he's more likely to lean into Ti
I love INxx types so much. 👽
It's not your truths and other people's truths or personal truths, it's your uniqueness, the human pshysce is more fluid than the mbti rigid system, it's the way you are... your cognitiveness... if I may say
I love what you said about infj and Intj being different degrees of one & the same.
I've been suspecting that TH-cam content creators can see,. But no seems to consider the possibility
Harry, do you do any private consultations?
Yes! I haven't yet set up an 'appointment' system online and until that point consultations and type sessions will be on a more informal basis :)
The rates will be:
Consultation - £60
Typing Service - £80
Extended Typing Service - £120
I'll likely not have the appointment system set up until January (I'm intending to launch a Patreon once the channel hits 1k) but I'll still be providing these services on a more informal basis in the meantime!
@@CognitivePersonality great! I'd like to set up a consultation for some time in February, if possible. How far out do you need to know for scheduling?
@@tofusamurai22 Great! Let's pencil in some time in February for now and in the new year we'll confirm an exact date :)
Harry -- if you have had a chance to view sufficient material from Sam Harris, I would be very curious to know if you'd type him as INTP or INTJ, and why? I'd love to discuss! :D
@@CognitivePersonality Ok! End of February, if possible, and a Monday, between 10 a.m. and 5 p.m. for New York (in the States), if possible (?)
How can i contribute to your research?
Thanks for the kind words! I have a Patron page for those who want to support the development of CPT :)
Heck, you sound like my future self
Forgive me, but I've reflected some and I think you might actually be an INTJ... aren't you? You must be.
Ni-Ti Fe-Se :)
The MBTI dichotomies simply don't match up with the functions.
@@CognitivePersonality I suspected this is how your stack looked. There are definitely some INFJ that have a more developed Fe and less developed Ti, making them look a little more like the standard INFJ descriptions (not much though). The one thing that I have found to be static no matter the development of the middle functions is the rigidity of the auxiliary on the same axis as the dominant. The blindspot. If Ti is the dom's auxiliary, Te is terrible in comparison to a true Te users even when the person thinks they are doing good with it. It's the same with me and Fe (I don't really care, though).
I find the blindspot to be a beacon in healthy and well-developed types. It's kind of hard to ignore since it looks like a bald spot in the face of all the other functions activating.