The internet can be full of utter shite. You have gone some way to balancing it out with a superb piece of content. Really appreciate the time and effort you’ve put into making this video. Keep up the good work and thanks for saving me a costly repair. Stellar stuff. 👍
Excellent video. The Mrs managed to jam the gearbox when locking the door last night. Managed to force it open this morning and followed your really clear instructions to replace the mechanism today. Thanks very much! 👍
Outstanding video. I have a 10 yr old Larson Secure Elegance door with multipoint lock that needs replacement since it's worn and now jammed. I'm clueless when it comes to this sort of thing. Thanks to your video and help from Larson Support, I ordered the entire lockset which looks similar to yours, as it's a 3 point lock unit. Now that I've viewed your detailed video, I can tackle this DIY task with confidence. Many thanks from the USA to my new amigo on the other side of the Pond. Have a great week!
Thanks so much for this video. You explain it really well and it's easy to follow. I didn't need to replace the whole gearbox but took it off cleaned it up and lubricated it (graphite spray) and it was working properly again. Finding a replacement gearbox nearby isn't easy mostly looking at ordering online and delivery worth bearing in mind
Helpful and clear description of a tricky job, but do check the handle locking cams before going to the bother of changing gearbox/lock etc. My lock was fine, but the handle cam had crumbled on the inside handle and the friction parts were a bit of a mess.
Really helpful video. We have a house in France and it's impossible to get anyone to do small jobs and our front door won't lock.Hopefully I can fix it now after watching your tips. Thanks
Wow! Another great video! I'm a big fan of your channel the knowledge and information you give and share is brilliant! As a tradesman builder and construction worker myself it's good to have reference expand ones own knowledge and see how others do it.. you have alot of knowledge and experience which in my humble opinion makes you a tradesmen etc more than a general handyman but I guess that's why your the ultimate handyman lol..thanks for the videos and keep up the great work!
Hi the bottom part of my uPVC door locking mechanism is stuck outside. The part at 5:14 sec. But the bottom one. I've sprayed wd40 everywhere but it's still stuck. Any ideas how to fix it please thanks
I have a question because my handle has just broken my multi lock works fine.. As long as the screws of the handle match up am I okay to change the door handle?
great video helped me massively, my door has just broken could you advise on any nationwide outlets that are most likely to have either my gear mechanism or full strip?
I normally go to my local locksmith's shop in town as there are quite a few different ones. The only national firm that I know of that sells some multipoint locks is Screwfix- www.screwfix.com/c/security-ironmongery/upvc-door-locks/cat810330?cm_sp=managedredirect-_-security-_-upvcdoorlocks I hope this helps ;-)
I have no idea of the suitability, which is why I normally go to my local locksmiths. If I were you I'd wait till the new year to ensure you get the correct one, you can then remove it and take it with you ;-) All the best for 2017
Just wondered what to do if all the locks are jammed at top and bottom. Can't afford a locksmith. Would it be worth removing the door at the hinges and sliding the door out?
I need to replace just the lock on my door so I'm assuming I only need to go as far as the 1:45 mark and then reverse the process to insert the new lock?
I have done videos on replacing door locks depending on what type of door it is- French door locks- th-cam.com/video/9VTZgj0IQEo/w-d-xo.html Fitting a high security cylinder- th-cam.com/video/6wEZktQ9hb4/w-d-xo.html I hope this helps ;-)
Thanks for posting this video. The euro cylinder seems to be the problem on our door. We are unable to turn the key from either side. It's locked so we are unable to use the handle to release the multi point lock and open the door. Any advise would be appreciated.
I think you might need a locksmith. I only know how to replace the lock when the door is open. I think they have to de-glaze the door, but it is not something that I know how to do, sorry. Thanks for the comment 👍
Hi, on a typical mech change do you find that the original keeps are right for the new mech? especially if it's old/obsolete. I've always bought new ones just in case and sometimes had to manipulate their position, this seems to happen often I'm not sure if I have just been unlucky! thanks for the upload.
Not sure, sorry. I just removed the mechanism and took it to my local locksmiths for a direct replacement. The door has worked perfectly since. Thanks for the comment
So, my door won't lock. I can open and close it no problem in the usual way, the handles lift up and down as normal. However I then don't seem to be able to turn the key fully in the euro lock to be able to lock the door. I have bought a new euro lock this morning which when inserted into position and screwed in place reacts exactly the same as the original one I took out, it doesn't fully turn to be able to lock the door. Does this mean I need to now replace the whole system? Any help appreciated.
If both the old Euro cylinder and the new Euro cylinder will not allow you to lock the door, then you might have a faulty gearbox/lock. Have you tried locking the door with the door in the open position (just to make sure nothing is obstructing the locking mechanism from reaching their locking position) 👍
Can you replace the euro cylinder and leave the rest ? I want to change my euro cylinder in a multi point lock (no handles on my door) but can’t find an easy answer if I can do this without changing the whole gear box.
Yes, you should be able to, providing you can see the screw that holds in the euro cylinder when the door is open. Example with handles- th-cam.com/video/3vHnzeSlOY4/w-d-xo.html&pp
James Rawlings Absolutely, there is quite a lot of work goes into making one of these. I did remove the cover from the gearbox yesterday to see if the old one could be repaired but it was not a simple job to do! Thanks for the comment
I can't unlock my uvpc multilock door. The key turns a bit and then it jams. I used to have to forcibly lift the handle to get the key to turn but obviously the internal mechanism is now broke and won't unlock. I'm interested to know how you got that door unlocked because I think I will have to break the barrel, take it out, and then somehow try and flick open the internal locking mechanism.
Mine was already unlocked when the gearbox failed (thankfully). I did read that you can get to the lock mechanism, but you have to de-glaze the door. I’m afraid it is something that I have never done 👍
I've seen a video where you take the handles off, break the barrel and then remove it. There is some latch (I think one calls it a CAM) situated at the top above where the barrel used to be, that needs to be shifted to one side using an allen key. Once shifted , the door should unlock. Personally , I think my door has tilted a bit and now the lock is stuck. Even lifting the door a bit by forcing up the handle is still not enough to allow the key to rotate and unlock the door.
I’ve done a video on lock snapping, but that is only useful if you don’t have the key for the door. If the gearbox is broken, you can’t open the door. Even if you snap the lock and use the Allen key to turn the cam- you still won’t be able to open the door, as the gearbox will not move the lock bolts.
Would it be possible to secure the door shut somehow? I suspect the gearbox has gone for a family friend's door (or very close to failing entirely) as she has to lift the handle to unlock the door, but it might be a few days to find an exact replacement and install it and I would imagine if I took the old gearbox or even the whole multipoint lock to get the specs, that even a handle lock made from wood that I've seen in one of your videos would not work.
I would not remove the gearbox and then close the door, as the shoot bolt might drop- then you'll have a real problem opening the door. Most locksmiths have these in stock, I've changed about three recently, I just take the whole multi point lock out and my local locksmiths shop (Rostrons in Darwen), will either sell me a full unit, or replace the gearbox, depending on the make.
@@ultimatehandyman The door I'm trying to fix doesn't have any bolts at the top or bottom fortunately. Just two hooks, a latch and deadbolt. Going to have to go back and get some more measurements as GU seems to have an older and newer style with differing measurements between the latch and deadbolt. Thanks for the reply.
@@ultimatehandyman No worries. Only just got around to replacing the gearbox today - Had to go back several times because I got the wrong measurements or needed more. Installed it without too much trouble thanks to your video :)
Great video as always I'd recommend getting those eurolocks replaced with some ABS avocet TS007 3 star rated eurolocks as those on the video are easily broken Into.
Same thing happened to me, had my multi lock mechanism changed twice, problems with lock occur when doors locked and you check if locked by pushing handles down, somehow pushing the handles to check creates this problem ( pressure ? ) do not pull handles hard, push softly on handles when checking folks
I'm not sure, sorry. I have seen some doors that automatically latch, meaning there is no handle externally to open the door (you need the key) but I'm not sure about locking the door. Thanks for the comment 👍
Are there any of these types of doors that have hidden retaining screws holding the cylinder in place ? if not then maybe the head has snapped off on ours - as we don't appear to have a retaining screw.
Yes, I'm sure that on my French doors at the rear of the property, one door had the screw showing, but the other one was hidden behind a piece of plastic. I had to drill a hole through the plastic, before I could access the screw. Thanks for the comment 👍
I need to change mine but the one I’ve got is discontinued so had to get a newer mechanism which is slightly wider 😬 how easy is it to trim the door or am I best getting a fitter in
@@ultimatehandyman locksmith came round yesterday & luckily had a second hand one as the new one I bought was never going to fit. I guess if this second hand one breaks I’ll have to buy new double doors 😲
Hy mate I jus watched your outdoor plug socket video which was great but my question isn't related to that so iv looked foiye a similar video youv done to make sense of you get me. Iv got to try get a key out of a lock at work that someone has jammed in. The key can't quite go to the 12 position while in the door so I can't jus wiggle it out. Iv tried Wd40 but no joy. Have you any suggestions or is it a lock Smith job? Thanks
These might help- th-cam.com/video/4mNzjkhqYk0/w-d-xo.html As a last resort, you could try this- th-cam.com/video/2lzX5sSTbig/w-d-xo.html I hope this helps ;-)
i need help, i have upvc double french doors, i can unlock and lock the door but the multi lock mechanism has failed and itsin the locked phase, any help is appreciated.
Sorry Paul, I've never done it where the door cannot be opened. I did speak to someone that said you have to de-glaze the door, but I'm not sure what you do after removing the double glazed unit. I'm afraid you might need a locksmith!
Nice upload, I currently have an issue with my door that has a Yale Multi-lock where when unlocked the latches don't go all the way in and the key needs to be turned to it's complete maximum and held there for them to do so. So this came at a good time. Cheers
Mine lately has had an issue with the handle can l0ck door ok but opening we often have to loft handle to then retry the handle to then open door would it be just a work shaft/handle? Or whole lot ? Thanks it's front door not patio thanks
Not sure, sorry. We had a door where we had to lift the handle to unlock it, and that lasted for decades with no other obvious problems. Thanks for the comment
Good video and great advice. It seems my door needs springs to be replaced because it takes a lot of effort to get the handle up and the locking itself also sticks sometimes. Could you kindly do a video showing how to replace the springs?
+Ultimate Handyman My door is about 15 years old. Do you think the whole locking mechanism should be replaced? If yes, is there any video that you've done on that? Cheers
Agreat video with loads of tips for the beginner. I admit, I never really think about the UPVC door locks I always thought of them as a bit of a "black art" Thanks, N.
With the new locking mechanism, did you get a new key? Our house has 2 doors with these types of locks but we were not provided keys to them when we purchased. I'd like to be able to enter these doors with keys.
No, you get new keys with the euro cylinder, not the multipoint lock. These videos should help- th-cam.com/video/6wEZktQ9hb4/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/2lzX5sSTbig/w-d-xo.html
I normally give it a wipe with a lint free cloth and then give it a spray with some silicone spray. I never use oil or grease though as that can attract dust etc. and gunk up the mechanism.
my mum had to get her door broken open when she had a fall. the locksmith broke in. he has replaced the key lock but no no outside handle. i went round yesterday unlock it but the door will not open. the top half of the door seems to be free but the door will not open what can be the problem.
I've changed a euro cylinder lock in a 3 point locking UPVC door as the door was second hand and didn't have a lock. The securing pin that secures the cylinder in place does not have a countersink in the edge of the door and with the pin/screw in place i'm unable to lift the handle to engage the top and bottom shoot bolts as the pin seems to be fouling the sliders. Any ideas as to why this is happening? Thanks
My door is stuck.I accidentally closed the door without the euro cylinder and shootbolt mechanism at the bottom was NOT screwed so when i closed it i think the shootbolt mechanism/plate came out a little bit off the door and got in the door frame.so now when i open it the top of the door opens slightly but at the bottom door is completely stuck. Any suggestions?
Hello sir,ive got question, i change same or similar lock in my back door,everything fine but now ive got big trouble,that lock pin from bottom door what you use masking tape to hold on its fall down when door was locked,now i cant open my door,cause that pinon bottom door is keep door lock on bottom,any idea open door ,take off door or i need profesional locksmith? Thank you in advance
I'm not sure if you will be able to fix this without calling out a locksmith. Perhaps you can open the door slightly due to the door flexing, if you can you might be able to open the door and then lift the shoot bolt up using a strong magnet or similar? I'm afraid I can't be more help as I'm not a locksmith.
Thank you very much for response,that i was afraid,i will try your sugestion,also maybe off door from hinches than try up slide door,if not i will call locksmith,cheers
Typey1 I'm not a locksmith but it sounds like the internal springs may be worn out or broken. None of the multipoint lock handles that I have seen have built in springs so it's all done by the multipoint lock, It may be possible to replace the spring part but it's probably better to replace the whole lock as other components might also be wearing out.
No, sorry. I was lucky with mine, if I could not have opened the door I would have called out a locksmith. I believe they remove the glass from the door- but I do not know what they do after that to get the door open. Thanks for the comment
I know this video was a while ago but I have the same mechanism as in your video. Can you remember the make and model? I would take it to my local locksmiths but it's on my front door and I don't fancy leaving the house with the door not secured.
I don't know, sorry. I just took it to my local locksmiths. You might have to get someone to guard the door whilst you go to the locksmiths or barricade it from behind and leave the property via the back door.
Ultimate Handyman thanks for you quick response. I've found one with the same measurements for a decent price on amazon. Thanks for the videos. They've help me out doing up my first house.
Nice video. I've had to do something similar however didn't replace the whole thing. Did you not replace this with the avocet ABS euro locks? I'll be replacing mine soon with them they look the business!
Zed Man No, these locks on these doors are Yale high security cylinders. Much cheaper than the Avocet cylinders but probably not as good! Thanks for the comment ;-)
hi just a quick question hopefully you will reply, how do you know if the gearbox is fucked or the whole mechanism needs changing ? are there any obvious signs to tell which one needs changing / repairing ? cheers
I think it depends if the gearbox can be detached from the rest of the mechanism by screws, my lock was riveted together and so I just got a full multipoint lock. Some of them can be separated into separate components though, which would make it possible to replace just the gear box. Perhaps if you split the lock by removing the screws and try the handles you might be able to see which part is faulty?
super man if the gearbox can be removed take it of and operate the driver bars on the back of the mpl by hand if all the hooks and rollers operate smothly then the gearbox is fucked. i wouldnt trust using the handles on the removed gearbox alone as quite often it will operate on its own but fail under load.
cheers for the vid dude. I think the lock mech has gone in my case as I can operate the bear-claws from the outside no probs... gonna zip downstairs and see if the the lock is screwed or riveted.
please help me that , my new rented flat dont have any keys for insiode 2 bedrooms, how can i re-place the key cylinders without the keys.....? i tried to remove the cylinders but impossible.....now its all without keys in open position how can i change the cylinders eazily......?
awesome video.i have a problem though my door's lock seem to stop if i try to lock it twice,i can only lock it once and a half it did work fine until some days ago and the key stopped working from the outside so i can only lock it form inside is that fixable or do i have to buy a new door lock,thanks :)
ahmed dhiya A new Euro cylinder will fix some of those problems- th-cam.com/video/3vHnzeSlOY4/w-d-xo.html You could even choose a high security one- th-cam.com/video/6wEZktQ9hb4/w-d-xo.html
***** man thanks i think that's it, that's whats causing the problem,i'll check it out, thanks again by the way some days ago i would have cut my self really bad with a sculpting tools but thanks to you i learned wearing gloves when work from you,,so just wanted to say thanks :)
I'm not sure, sorry. A mate of mine once replaced the Euro cylinder in his door and could not lock it as he did not realise he had to lift the handle first (which is why I asked you).Have you tried removing the gearbox and inserted the Euro cylinder to ensure the gearbox is not faulty? I'm not sure what else to suggest!
I took out the multipoint to see what was wrong, put it back in but now the door just won’t close/stay closed.... i can open and close it without using the handle...??
k671070 No, I got the replacement from my local locksmith's shop. You can get them online, but it's critical that you measure it and get the correct one. Screwfix do sell a Yale universal multipoint lock which should fit most doors providing you get the correct gearbox size.
Tom Howbridge Ha Ha, this job was seriously doing my head in due to the amount of toys in the conservatory. I could not get the tripod in a decent position due to the number of toys! Thanks for the comment
Video was great, showed me the nuts and bolts so to speak.....I need help...my father in law has a front door with a lock master multipoint lock....everything works fine...problem is...he is now on his own and a little bit forgetful....if he pops out to put something in the bin, and returns inside, he just closes the door behind him....he doesn't key lock the door until the evening....so if any chancer tries the door handle....he's in......do I need to change the main lock for a new gearbox....ie..that the outside handle will not open the door unless you have a key....I rang one locksmith who said it's no problem to do but the charge will be a few hundred Euro..sounded a bit steep...any help would be much appreciated....dave
+whatty mernagh I'm not sure if that is a good idea to be honest. I do know someone with a door that locks itself when closed without turning the key, but the problem is that if the door closes when he is out at the bin and he does not have the key he won't be able to get back in himself!
+whatty mernagh I did a job at my friends house the other week and each time I went to the van I was locked out if the door closed behind me, which was a real pain to be honest. Best to discuss it with the wife ;-) Thanks for the comments Dave ;-)
joeshaft I'm not sure to be honest. Your best bet would be to ask a locksmith. Providing the profile on the door is correct and providing there is room on the door frame for the keep it should be possible, but best to check with someone that has more knowledge than me ;-)
That may sound expensive, but after buying the lock mechanism, his time, training, insurance and paid for his tools and vehicle etc. he has probably not made that much money from the deal. Thanks for the comment 👍
Not sure about that, sorry. I'm sure someone once said that you have to remove the double glazed unit from the door, but I don't know what to do after that!
I don't know about you but I would have thrown this door out or rather recycled the door for a door I know I can get into when needed. Skip the multi point stuff and get a solid door if needed.
The internet can be full of utter shite. You have gone some way to balancing it out with a superb piece of content. Really appreciate the time and effort you’ve put into making this video. Keep up the good work and thanks for saving me a costly repair. Stellar stuff. 👍
I'm glad the video helped
Thanks for the comment 👍
Excellent video. The Mrs managed to jam the gearbox when locking the door last night. Managed to force it open this morning and followed your really clear instructions to replace the mechanism today. Thanks very much! 👍
I'm glad the video helped
Thanks for the comment 👍
Outstanding video. I have a 10 yr old Larson Secure Elegance door with multipoint lock that needs replacement since it's worn and now jammed. I'm clueless when it comes to this sort of thing. Thanks to your video and help from Larson Support, I ordered the entire lockset which looks similar to yours, as it's a 3 point lock unit. Now that I've viewed your detailed video, I can tackle this DIY task with confidence. Many thanks from the USA to my new amigo on the other side of the Pond. Have a great week!
I'm glad the video helped ;-)
Thanks for the comment
That’s brilliant .. looks exactly the same as our door mechanism. Feel much more confident having a go at replacing it.
Best of luck with it 👍
Many thanks for posting this video you have saved us over £100 on replacing the mechanism and the instructions were very clear and easy to follow.
Glad it helped ;-)
Thanks for the comment
Thank you so much for this video!! My lock went last night, it was a nightmare, but with the help of this video I have fixed it 😁 Thank you 🙌
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment 👍
Thanks so much for this video. You explain it really well and it's easy to follow.
I didn't need to replace the whole gearbox but took it off cleaned it up and lubricated it (graphite spray) and it was working properly again.
Finding a replacement gearbox nearby isn't easy mostly looking at ordering online and delivery worth bearing in mind
Helpful and clear description of a tricky job, but do check the handle locking cams before going to the bother of changing gearbox/lock etc. My lock was fine, but the handle cam had crumbled on the inside handle and the friction parts were a bit of a mess.
Thanks for the comment 👍
@John Gibson
Thanks, the Euro cylinders are Yale and I'm sure they are supposed to be anti-snap, anti-drill, anti-pick and anti-bump.
Really helpful video. We have a house in France and it's impossible to get anyone to do small jobs and our front door won't lock.Hopefully I can fix it now after watching your tips. Thanks
I'm glad you found the video useful ;-)
Thanks for the comment 👍
Wow! Another great video! I'm a big fan of your channel the knowledge and information you give and share is brilliant! As a tradesman builder and construction worker myself it's good to have reference expand ones own knowledge and see how others do it.. you have alot of knowledge and experience which in my humble opinion makes you a tradesmen etc more than a general handyman but I guess that's why your the ultimate handyman lol..thanks for the videos and keep up the great work!
I’m glad you found the video useful. I’m a maintenance engineer by trade 😉
Thanks for the comment 👍
Hi the bottom part of my uPVC door locking mechanism is stuck outside. The part at 5:14 sec. But the bottom one. I've sprayed wd40 everywhere but it's still stuck. Any ideas how to fix it please thanks
@Fire System Security
No, I don't think there was any music in the background?
***** It must be in my head then, I hear it 24/7 on the radio.
Anyway Great video!
Ultimate Handyman g
Great video. Very helpful and got my door working properly again! Sadly needed a locksmith first though! Cost me £100 for that.
I'm glad the video helped ;-)
Thanks for the comment 👍
Thanks very much for sharing this video. Helped enormously in replacing the multipoint system in my conservatory door when it broke.
I'm glad the video helped
Thanks for the comment
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Thanks for the excellent video, especially the tip about how to get the lock cylinder out.
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment 👍🏼
I have a question because my handle has just broken my multi lock works fine.. As long as the screws of the handle match up am I okay to change the door handle?
great video helped me massively, my door has just broken could you advise on any nationwide outlets that are most likely to have either my gear mechanism or full strip?
I normally go to my local locksmith's shop in town as there are quite a few different ones.
The only national firm that I know of that sells some multipoint locks is Screwfix-
www.screwfix.com/c/security-ironmongery/upvc-door-locks/cat810330?cm_sp=managedredirect-_-security-_-upvcdoorlocks
I hope this helps ;-)
Thank you very much for the reply should both of them options in the link be suitable? Thank you for taking the time to help me have a great new year!
I have no idea of the suitability, which is why I normally go to my local locksmiths.
If I were you I'd wait till the new year to ensure you get the correct one, you can then remove it and take it with you ;-)
All the best for 2017
Just wondered what to do if all the locks are jammed at top and bottom. Can't afford a locksmith. Would it be worth removing the door at the hinges and sliding the door out?
I'm not sure if that will help or not, as I have never tried it.
Thanks for the comment 👍
Hi just wanted to know why did u remove the strip from the door? One needs to replace just the lock.
The gearbox was broken, so you have to replace the whole multi-point locking mechanism.
Thanks for the comment 👍
I need to replace just the lock on my door so I'm assuming I only need to go as far as the 1:45 mark and then reverse the process to insert the new lock?
I have done videos on replacing door locks depending on what type of door it is-
French door locks- th-cam.com/video/9VTZgj0IQEo/w-d-xo.html
Fitting a high security cylinder- th-cam.com/video/6wEZktQ9hb4/w-d-xo.html
I hope this helps ;-)
Cool, thanks!
Doubt this will be answered fast enough but did you only remove cross/Phillips screws, or star ones as well?
Just the Phillips ;-)
@@ultimatehandyman figured it out a few mins ago :) but thanks for the quick reply :D
Smart locks dont really like multipoint locks. Is it possible or advisable to remove the multilock before changing to electronic lock?
Sorry, it's no good asking me anything about smart devices, as I avoid them at all costs.
Thanks for posting this video. The euro cylinder seems to be the problem on our door. We are unable to turn the key from either side. It's locked so we are unable to use the handle to release the multi point lock and open the door. Any advise would be appreciated.
I think you might need a locksmith. I only know how to replace the lock when the door is open. I think they have to de-glaze the door, but it is not something that I know how to do, sorry.
Thanks for the comment 👍
Hi, on a typical mech change do you find that the original keeps are right for the new mech? especially if it's old/obsolete. I've always bought new ones just in case and sometimes had to manipulate their position, this seems to happen often I'm not sure if I have just been unlucky! thanks for the upload.
Not sure, sorry.
I just removed the mechanism and took it to my local locksmiths for a direct replacement. The door has worked perfectly since.
Thanks for the comment
So, my door won't lock. I can open and close it no problem in the usual way, the handles lift up and down as normal. However I then don't seem to be able to turn the key fully in the euro lock to be able to lock the door. I have bought a new euro lock this morning which when inserted into position and screwed in place reacts exactly the same as the original one I took out, it doesn't fully turn to be able to lock the door. Does this mean I need to now replace the whole system? Any help appreciated.
If both the old Euro cylinder and the new Euro cylinder will not allow you to lock the door, then you might have a faulty gearbox/lock. Have you tried locking the door with the door in the open position (just to make sure nothing is obstructing the locking mechanism from reaching their locking position) 👍
Can you replace the euro cylinder and leave the rest ? I want to change my euro cylinder in a multi point lock (no handles on my door) but can’t find an easy answer if I can do this without changing the whole gear box.
Yes, you should be able to, providing you can see the screw that holds in the euro cylinder when the door is open.
Example with handles-
th-cam.com/video/3vHnzeSlOY4/w-d-xo.html&pp
amazing thank you @@ultimatehandyman
Very interesting to see how the multipoint mechanism works and what's involved in replacing the lock.
James Rawlings
Absolutely, there is quite a lot of work goes into making one of these. I did remove the cover from the gearbox yesterday to see if the old one could be repaired but it was not a simple job to do!
Thanks for the comment
I can't unlock my uvpc multilock door. The key turns a bit and then it jams. I used to have to forcibly lift the handle to get the key to turn but obviously the internal mechanism is now broke and won't unlock. I'm interested to know how you got that door unlocked because I think I will have to break the barrel, take it out, and then somehow try and flick open the internal locking mechanism.
Mine was already unlocked when the gearbox failed (thankfully).
I did read that you can get to the lock mechanism, but you have to de-glaze the door. I’m afraid it is something that I have never done 👍
I've seen a video where you take the handles off, break the barrel and then remove it. There is some latch (I think one calls it a CAM) situated at the top above where the barrel used to be, that needs to be shifted to one side using an allen key. Once shifted , the door should unlock. Personally , I think my door has tilted a bit and now the lock is stuck. Even lifting the door a bit by forcing up the handle is still not enough to allow the key to rotate and unlock the door.
I’ve done a video on lock snapping, but that is only useful if you don’t have the key for the door. If the gearbox is broken, you can’t open the door. Even if you snap the lock and use the Allen key to turn the cam- you still won’t be able to open the door, as the gearbox will not move the lock bolts.
Would it be possible to secure the door shut somehow? I suspect the gearbox has gone for a family friend's door (or very close to failing entirely) as she has to lift the handle to unlock the door, but it might be a few days to find an exact replacement and install it and I would imagine if I took the old gearbox or even the whole multipoint lock to get the specs, that even a handle lock made from wood that I've seen in one of your videos would not work.
I would not remove the gearbox and then close the door, as the shoot bolt might drop- then you'll have a real problem opening the door.
Most locksmiths have these in stock, I've changed about three recently, I just take the whole multi point lock out and my local locksmiths shop (Rostrons in Darwen), will either sell me a full unit, or replace the gearbox, depending on the make.
@@ultimatehandyman The door I'm trying to fix doesn't have any bolts at the top or bottom fortunately. Just two hooks, a latch and deadbolt. Going to have to go back and get some more measurements as GU seems to have an older and newer style with differing measurements between the latch and deadbolt. Thanks for the reply.
@@JohnSmith-ox7xc I hope you sorted it!
(Sorry for the late reply, TH-cam comments has been playing up AGAIN, So I have just seen this)
@@ultimatehandyman No worries. Only just got around to replacing the gearbox today - Had to go back several times because I got the wrong measurements or needed more. Installed it without too much trouble thanks to your video :)
Just saved us some money, what can I say, thank you.
I'm glad the video helped
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Great video as always I'd recommend getting those eurolocks replaced with some ABS avocet TS007 3 star rated eurolocks as those on the video are easily broken Into.
Same thing happened to me, had my multi lock mechanism changed twice, problems with lock occur when doors locked and you check if locked by pushing handles down, somehow pushing the handles to check creates this problem ( pressure ? ) do not pull handles hard, push softly on handles when checking folks
I'm not sure if that causes the problem, but you could be right 🤔
Nice video young man, been putting off doing the exact same job. Gotta get me finger out and do it now.
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Can the lock be changed so only the key locks the door without having to lift handle, havent got strenth in hands anymore
I'm not sure, sorry.
I have seen some doors that automatically latch, meaning there is no handle externally to open the door (you need the key) but I'm not sure about locking the door.
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Are there any of these types of doors that have hidden retaining screws holding the cylinder in place ? if not then maybe the head has snapped off on ours - as we don't appear to have a retaining screw.
Yes, I'm sure that on my French doors at the rear of the property, one door had the screw showing, but the other one was hidden behind a piece of plastic. I had to drill a hole through the plastic, before I could access the screw.
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I need to change mine but the one I’ve got is discontinued so had to get a newer mechanism which is slightly wider 😬 how easy is it to trim the door or am I best getting a fitter in
Not sure about that. It might be best to get a locksmith, I've only ever replaced like for like.
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@@ultimatehandyman locksmith came round yesterday & luckily had a second hand one as the new one I bought was never going to fit. I guess if this second hand one breaks I’ll have to buy new double doors 😲
Hy mate I jus watched your outdoor plug socket video which was great but my question isn't related to that so iv looked foiye a similar video youv done to make sense of you get me.
Iv got to try get a key out of a lock at work that someone has jammed in. The key can't quite go to the 12 position while in the door so I can't jus wiggle it out. Iv tried Wd40 but no joy. Have you any suggestions or is it a lock Smith job? Thanks
These might help- th-cam.com/video/4mNzjkhqYk0/w-d-xo.html
As a last resort, you could try this- th-cam.com/video/2lzX5sSTbig/w-d-xo.html
I hope this helps ;-)
i need help, i have upvc double french doors, i can unlock and lock the door but the multi lock mechanism has failed and itsin the locked phase, any help is appreciated.
Sorry Paul, I've never done it where the door cannot be opened.
I did speak to someone that said you have to de-glaze the door, but I'm not sure what you do after removing the double glazed unit. I'm afraid you might need a locksmith!
This really came in handy. Many thanks.
Nice upload, I currently have an issue with my door that has a Yale Multi-lock where when unlocked the latches don't go all the way in and the key needs to be turned to it's complete maximum and held there for them to do so. So this came at a good time. Cheers
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Those two tiny allen key screws on the door handle where can i purchase them from
Mine lately has had an issue with the handle can l0ck door ok but opening we often have to loft handle to then retry the handle to then open door would it be just a work shaft/handle? Or whole lot ? Thanks it's front door not patio thanks
Not sure, sorry.
We had a door where we had to lift the handle to unlock it, and that lasted for decades with no other obvious problems.
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What do you call the units at the bottom with the pin?
I think you mean the shoot bolt?
Great video, I would never have guessed the key in the lock part! Thanks a lot
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Good video and great advice. It seems my door needs springs to be replaced because it takes a lot of effort to get the handle up and the locking itself also sticks sometimes. Could you kindly do a video showing how to replace the springs?
+Shakil Ahmed I don't think you can replace the springs, it sounds like your gearbox might be on it's way out or the door might need adjusting.
+Ultimate Handyman My door is about 15 years old. Do you think the whole locking mechanism should be replaced? If yes, is there any video that you've done on that? Cheers
Agreat video with loads of tips for the beginner. I admit, I never really think about the UPVC door locks I always thought of them as a bit of a "black art" Thanks, N.
Neil George
You are welcome Neil
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With the new locking mechanism, did you get a new key? Our house has 2 doors with these types of locks but we were not provided keys to them when we purchased. I'd like to be able to enter these doors with keys.
No, you get new keys with the euro cylinder, not the multipoint lock.
These videos should help-
th-cam.com/video/6wEZktQ9hb4/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/2lzX5sSTbig/w-d-xo.html
I have got a question if you don't mind. Are these internal door lock
mechanisms needs oiling or greasing from time to time?
I normally give it a wipe with a lint free cloth and then give it a spray with some silicone spray. I never use oil or grease though as that can attract dust etc. and gunk up the mechanism.
Brilliant video. Thank you.
Will be sorting our door out tomorrow.
You are welcome, good luck sorting your door ;-)
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my mum had to get her door broken open when she had a fall. the locksmith broke in. he has replaced the key lock but no no outside handle. i went round yesterday unlock it but the door will not open. the top half of the door seems to be free but the door will not open what can be the problem.
I'm afraid I don't know without seeing it!
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I've changed a euro cylinder lock in a 3 point locking UPVC door as the door was second hand and didn't have a lock. The securing pin that secures the cylinder in place does not have a countersink in the edge of the door and with the pin/screw in place i'm unable to lift the handle to engage the top and bottom shoot bolts as the pin seems to be fouling the sliders. Any ideas as to why this is happening? Thanks
I'm not sure sorry.
Would countersinking the hole fix the problem ?
Ultimate Handyman no its as if the fitting screw is locking the moving bar and preventing it from sliding down
My door is stuck.I accidentally closed the door without the euro cylinder and shootbolt mechanism at the bottom was NOT screwed so when i closed it i think the shootbolt mechanism/plate came out a little bit off the door and got in the door frame.so now when i open it the top of the door opens slightly but at the bottom door is completely stuck. Any suggestions?
+The Hitman
Sorry, I don't know how to overcome this problem. Your best bet is to ask a locksmith as they will know for certain.
Awesome video saved me a lot of money thanks alot 😁
I'm glad the video helped ;-)
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Thanks so much for this video. I was able to fix my door as a result. Brilliant.
You are welcome ;-)
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Need this today brother thank you.
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Hello sir,ive got question, i change same or similar lock in my back door,everything fine but now ive got big trouble,that lock pin from bottom door what you use masking tape to hold on its fall down when door was locked,now i cant open my door,cause that pinon bottom door is keep door lock on bottom,any idea open door ,take off door or i need profesional locksmith? Thank you in advance
I'm not sure if you will be able to fix this without calling out a locksmith.
Perhaps you can open the door slightly due to the door flexing, if you can you might be able to open the door and then lift the shoot bolt up using a strong magnet or similar?
I'm afraid I can't be more help as I'm not a locksmith.
Thank you very much for response,that i was afraid,i will try your sugestion,also maybe off door from hinches than try up slide door,if not i will call locksmith,cheers
Great video, our door for has a sloppy handle (lost movement) but I suspect the issue is in the mechanism - have you Any thoughts, thanks
Typey1
I'm not a locksmith but it sounds like the internal springs may be worn out or broken. None of the multipoint lock handles that I have seen have built in springs so it's all done by the multipoint lock, It may be possible to replace the spring part but it's probably better to replace the whole lock as other components might also be wearing out.
Any suggestions on getting door open?
No, sorry. I was lucky with mine, if I could not have opened the door I would have called out a locksmith. I believe they remove the glass from the door- but I do not know what they do after that to get the door open.
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What if the door is shut, how do you open the door?
I'm afraid you'll need a locksmith to open the door.
I know this video was a while ago but I have the same mechanism as in your video. Can you remember the make and model? I would take it to my local locksmiths but it's on my front door and I don't fancy leaving the house with the door not secured.
I don't know, sorry.
I just took it to my local locksmiths.
You might have to get someone to guard the door whilst you go to the locksmiths or barricade it from behind and leave the property via the back door.
Ultimate Handyman thanks for you quick response. I've found one with the same measurements for a decent price on amazon. Thanks for the videos. They've help me out doing up my first house.
You are welcome, sorry I could not be more help!
I'm glad the videos help ;-)
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Nice video. I've had to do something similar however didn't replace the whole thing. Did you not replace this with the avocet ABS euro locks? I'll be replacing mine soon with them they look the business!
Zed Man
No, these locks on these doors are Yale high security cylinders.
Much cheaper than the Avocet cylinders but probably not as good!
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hi just a quick question hopefully you will reply, how do you know if the gearbox is fucked or the whole mechanism needs changing ? are there any obvious signs to tell which one needs changing / repairing ? cheers
I think it depends if the gearbox can be detached from the rest of the mechanism by screws, my lock was riveted together and so I just got a full multipoint lock. Some of them can be separated into separate components though, which would make it possible to replace just the gear box.
Perhaps if you split the lock by removing the screws and try the handles you might be able to see which part is faulty?
super man if the gearbox can be removed take it of and operate the driver bars on the back of the mpl by hand if all the hooks and rollers operate smothly then the gearbox is fucked.
i wouldnt trust using the handles on the removed gearbox alone as quite often it will operate on its own but fail under load.
My door has same problem but it works from the outside not the inside i need some help
cheers for the vid dude. I think the lock mech has gone in my case as I can operate the bear-claws from the outside no probs... gonna zip downstairs and see if the the lock is screwed or riveted.
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please help me that , my new rented flat dont have any keys for insiode 2 bedrooms,
how can i re-place the key cylinders without the keys.....? i tried to remove the cylinders but impossible.....now its all without keys in open position how can i change the cylinders eazily......?
Your landlord should really sort this out for you, it's not your responsibility to replace locks!
awesome video.i have a problem though my door's lock seem to stop if i try to lock it twice,i can only lock it once and a half it did work fine until some days ago and the key stopped working from the outside so i can only lock it form inside is that fixable or do i have to buy a new door lock,thanks :)
ahmed dhiya
A new Euro cylinder will fix some of those problems- th-cam.com/video/3vHnzeSlOY4/w-d-xo.html
You could even choose a high security one- th-cam.com/video/6wEZktQ9hb4/w-d-xo.html
***** man thanks i think that's it, that's whats causing the problem,i'll check it out, thanks again
by the way some days ago i would have cut my self really bad with a sculpting tools but thanks to you i learned wearing gloves when work from you,,so just wanted to say thanks :)
ahmed dhiya
Good stuff ;-)
Just replaced the gearbox only. I know it's the right one but it won't lock the door properly, key stops halfway. Can you help.
Are you certain that the handle has been lifted fully before attempting to lock the door?
Yes absolutely, the key turns to about the 1 o'clock position and stops.
I'm not sure, sorry.
A mate of mine once replaced the Euro cylinder in his door and could not lock it as he did not realise he had to lift the handle first (which is why I asked you).Have you tried removing the gearbox and inserted the Euro cylinder to ensure the gearbox is not faulty?
I'm not sure what else to suggest!
1min30secs. I don't have a screw (or screwhole) holding in my euro lock and can't pull the lock out?
Is it a regualr door?
It's not a French door is it, like in this video- th-cam.com/video/9VTZgj0IQEo/w-d-xo.html
@@ultimatehandyman No it's a regular upvc door but an old one.
@@mp3bbb I'm not sure about that, sorry.
Perhaps you could try finding a locksmith on TH-cam and ask them?
How spooky
My back door lock failed this afternoon
Will use this for reference tomorrow when I start the repair
Thanks
You are welcome.
Good luck with it ;-)
nice video. Now to find one where the central mechanism only needs replaced
I'm not sure if you can do that with all makes, but I think you can with some of them.
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@@ultimatehandyman looks like mine has that option...phew. Will be trying this week.
I took out the multipoint to see what was wrong, put it back in but now the door just won’t close/stay closed.... i can open and close it without using the handle...??
It sounds like the latch is not working.
Can you see the latch? does it move in and out when you push the handle down etc. ?
did you order the replacement part online if so where from? or can you get it from screwfix etc
k671070
No, I got the replacement from my local locksmith's shop.
You can get them online, but it's critical that you measure it and get the correct one.
Screwfix do sell a Yale universal multipoint lock which should fit most doors providing you get the correct gearbox size.
Hi would you happen know of a multi point lock that can be installed in iron doors
I don't know, sorry.
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I took out the eurocylinder to clean it up a bit I cant get the retaining screw back in. Something is blocking it.
I think its a spring (?)
+Lance Flanagan Try just replacing the screw without the Euro cylinder in position.You should be able to see the screw through the Euro cylinder hole
How much did the replacement lock cost?
It was £50 from my local locksmiths shop
Really helpful video… thanks.
I’m glad you found the video useful
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Nic rug ! I think you should have it in your workshop !
Tom Howbridge
Ha Ha, this job was seriously doing my head in due to the amount of toys in the conservatory. I could not get the tripod in a decent position due to the number of toys!
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Video was great, showed me the nuts and bolts so to speak.....I need help...my father in law has a front door with a lock master multipoint lock....everything works fine...problem is...he is now on his own and a little bit forgetful....if he pops out to put something in the bin, and returns inside, he just closes the door behind him....he doesn't key lock the door until the evening....so if any chancer tries the door handle....he's in......do I need to change the main lock for a new gearbox....ie..that the outside handle will not open the door unless you have a key....I rang one locksmith who said it's no problem to do but the charge will be a few hundred Euro..sounded a bit steep...any help would be much appreciated....dave
+whatty mernagh
I'm not sure if that is a good idea to be honest. I do know someone with a door that locks itself when closed without turning the key, but the problem is that if the door closes when he is out at the bin and he does not have the key he won't be able to get back in himself!
+Ultimate Handyman ....yep i hear you....thanks for the prompt reply....I will put that to my wife and let her decide !!....all the best.......dave.
+whatty mernagh
I did a job at my friends house the other week and each time I went to the van I was locked out if the door closed behind me, which was a real pain to be honest. Best to discuss it with the wife ;-)
Thanks for the comments Dave ;-)
good job as always. Question though, do you think you could upgrade a pvc door to have a multipoint lock? from a standard single lock in the middle.
joeshaft
I'm not sure to be honest. Your best bet would be to ask a locksmith.
Providing the profile on the door is correct and providing there is room on the door frame for the keep it should be possible, but best to check with someone that has more knowledge than me ;-)
You make it look so easy!
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Thanks, most jobs like this are pretty easy, you just need some common sense ;-)
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Nice fix, though you should fix paintwork on the door handles to make it look as good as new
Thanks Tim, I'll probably replace them at some point ;-)
Great. My daughter's landlord was charged £285 for the same job by a locksmith!
That may sound expensive, but after buying the lock mechanism, his time, training, insurance and paid for his tools and vehicle etc. he has probably not made that much money from the deal.
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Great video thanks
I’m glad you found the video useful
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Anybody know how to open a door where the latch of a multi point system has broken from the mechanism? Handle down latch doesn't move
Not sure about that, sorry.
I'm sure someone once said that you have to remove the double glazed unit from the door, but I don't know what to do after that!
Fantastic video!
Faisal Y
Thanks Faisal ;-)
I don't know about you but I would have thrown this door out or rather recycled the door for a door I know I can get into when needed. Skip the multi point stuff and get a solid door if needed.
Great info, never knew how these complex locks worked before, thank you
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Excellent video.Thank you.
John Wilson
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Great video as usual. Thank you mate.
A. Samrout
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Am I hearing in background Bat Out of Hell by Meat Loaf. Or maybe the song is in my head?? not sure, pleeaaase tell me.
What a great video, thanks for that.
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As useful as always top man
Glad you think so!
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good video
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Thanks very much for your video greatly appreciated..
You are welcome.
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*door. You slam me. I no longer lock and unlock for you *in a french accent*
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It's a good idea. I will try it. Cheers
Good luck with it ;-)
What a Bleedin palava !
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