This is part of the reason why Denmark is so insanely rich. An exceptional, free education system (incl. university level) provides world-class skills, which have built companies like Novo Nordisk, Lundbeck, LEO Pharma, Maersk, LEGO, etc. It is VERY difficult to copy this societal model, however, because it requires the very highest level of trust between people and the government. And that is not something easily attained.
+ the stated companies do not try to pay 0,- in tax - they are part of Denmark. Unlike Nestle or McD who try to circumvent any and all taxes to pay as close to 0,- in taxes as they can... Our companies understand that by paying taxes they also gain a workforce as stated in this video...
Hello Dane her. We are not rich. Out education system is under stress. Our universities get subsidies for every student, but they are almost all private companies. We also pay alot of tax and out health care system is also under enormous stress.
We have some organisations run like this in the UK. However the standard MBA management qualification in the UK draws heavily on the American right wing management models, where workers are seen as wanting to do the least work for the most pay and people are reduced to a set of skill specifications where teams and the other things a worker brings to the workplace are counted for nought.
I think the Netherlands has a similar economic philosophy as Denmark. Only the unions do not play such a big role in the Netherlands. Only 10% of the Dutch workers are members of a union.
Denmark is one of the worlds least corrupt countries, if not nr. 1, that is why this model works, among other things aswell ofcourse. Unions is another factor in this. Furthermore Danes learn from an early age to ''groupwork'' in school, so the whole mentaly aspect of this is ''learned'' in school, highschool etc. In Denmark we have an expression --> ''to lift as a group'', that sums it up pretty well. Also Denmark ranks high on the global ''Trustworthy'' list - #4, which also has its downsides if you have a ''blue eyed'' approach to things😉But most importantly Denmark ranks #2 on the 'Happiest country in the world' list, just after Finland, a shoutout to my Finnish friends😄So I would argue that a country/society like this is worth aiming for✌
Is it really? I'm in Sweden. Here are lots of corruption, but it's not looked at that way. Carl Bildt was paid by the US military-industrial complex to sell the Iraq War. After that, he became foreign minister of Sweden.
Can you provide exact numbers regarding easy hire and fire? What is the minimum period that employer and employee have to consider when firing/quitting? Is there a probation period for new employees and how long is that? Can employee be fired at short notice? How long in general does it takes on average to start working, if counting from the day of start of looking for a job actively?
Most positions I know of have probation periods of 1,2 or 3 months. I have heard that a reason must be given if the employee is terminated after the probation, but I have no idea how strict this is. When leaving a company you usually have 1 month.
@@johannesbachlarsen4384 yeah that is about right. Probation is usually 3 months (paid of cause) after 3 months it is usually 1 month, before you are out. Most employees have A-kasse (unemployment welfare) if not all have it. That covers 60% or so, of your last paycheck level. For a max of 2 years. And most have found a new job way before that. Unemployment depends on your job type or education. I work as a steel fabricator and we have had a lack of workers for a few years now. It is slowly getting down to normal due to recession but generally i should be able to find new work within a month if i wanted to change jobs. Though i like the place i work at and have been there for like 8 years now .. I have never been unwillingly unemployed for more then like 2 days in my 35 year life...
yes , and currently the danish unions are failing. 3F (union) for example is a spinless union it will not protect worker against temp worker agencies which are missusing the EU temp worker law
Easy fire makes easy hire. Else employers become too cautious and slow hiring. This especially harms young and older workers. Changing economy means flexibility of employment - once a project if finished, why keeping someone employed? While other parts of the economy might need the worker desperately. But it is important to force employers to reply to all job applications within a short time period, so job seekers do not wait in vain, and can immediately switch to a new search!
Tbh - job seekers should immediately switch to a new search regardless of response time - many applications around, might land you a better job than the first one you are waiting for a reply from...
No, we can't. Denmark also doesn't have a big VC market that can compete with the American. Danish GDP per capita is not higher than the US, in fact it is over 10% smaller. This is despite the fact that the US economy is much larger with a population of approx. 350 million americans, whereas Denmark has less than 6 million inhabitants; In other words, we don't even know if it scales.
Because it's also about quality not just quantity. If you can wast 90% of your production to flaws and such there's no problem but if you want a 99% high quality output you need people to be focused and on the target and constantly upping their game. For that you need downtime and new inputs, something the Chinese don't have.
The unions have become weak in Denmark and many people don't often become members of a union. And the public system is also reducing benefits and more Danes are choosing private health care.
Yeah, that's why it's even more important to understand that we need to unionize and KEEP fighting the class war, cause the capitalists never took any breaks!
@Donnah1979 That's a false premise. The simple fact is that unions doesn't do what their former members needed them to, so they left and new member don't become members for the same reason. The unions have moved too far away from their primary member sources not the other way around.
Unfortunately there are a lot of employers that do no have collective agreements. As Danmark does not have a minimum wage, there are a lot of people working for a low wage, legally, as the employer does not have a collective agreement, and in this case, unions are kind of powerless.
No, workers unions are not kind of powerless as long as it is possible to instigate sympathy strikes. Imagine a bakery that refuses to sign a collective bargaining agreement with its employees. The employees asks the local unions for help, and the next day lorry drivers refuses to deliver flour and other ingredients to the bakery. How long do you think the bakery owner will hold out?
@JanBruunAndersen you are right, but I also know a lot of small companies that do not have collective agreements, think about all the farmers, all the sole proprietorship ( enkeltmandsvirksomhed) th Unions do not have the power to reach all of them, so we are talking about hundreds of thousands of employers that are not into a collective agreement and.
@@JanBruunAndersen what about Wolt? There are thousands of employees and they do not get Holliday allowance, nevertheless AMP and so on... They are not even entitled to receive unemployment benefits even if they pay for an unemployment fund, because they do not get their salary under normal conditions... :(
@@AdrianUrsu-x4c If you are a sole proprietor, I fail to see how minimum wages or missing union protection for the sole worker against the owner is relevant at all as they are the same person.
@@JanBruunAndersen nope - the regions do... Part of our governance sure, but not the government as in those at Christiansborg - who where the once interfering... Very un-danish like...
@@TainDK - quote from a publication titled "Generelle tilskud til regionerne 2024" by Indenrigs- og Sundhedsministeriet: - "Omkring 83 pct. af regionernes udgifter på sundhedsområdet finansieres ved et bloktil- skud fra staten. Dertil kommer en kommunal aktivitetsafhængig medfinansiering, som udgør ca. 15 pct. af regionernes finansiering. Den statslige aktivitetsafhængige pulje ud- gør ca. 1 pct. af finansieringen." As long as Regionerne receives 83 % of their funding from the central government, then I think it is entirely fair that the same central government have some influence on how that money is spent.
That not true. As long as it doesn't interfere with the stability of the country the government doesn't do anything and when they eventually do it the danish parliament who vote a compromise into place not the government. "Lately they wanted to regulate the salary of nurses." No, they never did. if anything their legislation favored the nurses compared to the deal that fell through.
One problem with Denmark is the public sector is simply too big and occupies too many highly educated people who could provide better use to the private sector.
@ Den økonomiske vækst er drevet af et enkelt selskab, der tilfældigvis ligger i Danmark. Tager man det ud af ligningen går det ikke godt i Danmark. Det er svært at skaffe kvalificeret arbejdskraft til vigtige projekter i den private sektor mens man i den offentlige sektor bruger enorme summer på det ene tåbelige projekt efter det andet. Nationens sikkerhed er i større fare end ret mange danskere er klar over. Selv efter Ruslands angreb på Ukraine har vi ikke prioriteret at opbygge et forsvar og bruger stadig ikke de 2% af BNP på forsvaret som er kravet for at USA’s nye præsident vil forsvare os. Polen bruger over 4% og 2% er ikke længere nok. Regeringen lufter tanken om at lade skatterne stige for at finansiere forsvaret, men overvejer end ikke at prioritere i den offentlige sektor. Lige nu sidder man i Washington og drøfter hvorledes man økonomisk kan straffe de lande der har meddelt at man vil arrestere Israels premierminister, som vi har. Vi er gået ned ad en sti med dyr energi og usikker energiforsyning. BNP pr indbygger i USA er 25% højere end Danmark. De kan se frem til vækst og presser nok vores vigtigste selskaber til at flytte produktionskapacitet til USA. Jeg ser mørke skyer over Danmark og intet tegn på en forståelse for nødvendigheden af at ændre kurs.
Denmark's labor market might have its strengths, but being a man in Denmark can feel challenging. The system often seems tailored to benefit women, particularly in areas like middle management and HR, where they are strongly represented. (but nobody really talks about it). And we have a huge segment of sick people, which the working class have to finance.
Is our segment of sick people bigger than in other western countries, I wonder? I do find it interesting what you say about the system being tailored to benefit women. I am sure it is in some areas, to compensate to the professional time hit we tend to take for pregnancy, a bit lower pay in general, but do you think it might be quite field dependent too? Also, it does seem like the vast majority of upper management and highest earners are still men, that has to count a bit against your experience of the whole thing being tailored for the benefit of women. The men I know have never had the issue you write about, but I understand that maybe it is field dependent, and as such I just haven't met anyone in your situation.
@@Finkeldinken I would argue that many people exploit Denmark's welfare system, particularly in relation to illness. People are protected when they are sick. In the labor market, the primary focus is on pregnancy and children-areas where women often benefit the most. It is true that the top of the financial world is predominantly led by men, but they constitute only a small percentage of the overall picture. Otherwise, I would say that women are increasingly dominating the "tone" in the workplace, as they often hold HR positions and are generally overrepresented in various middle management roles. The men you refer to probably don’t mention this because doing so would go against the grain, making it politically incorrect-which can be risky. I have met several women who acknowledge this (although it's easy to say). Additionally, it is generally "easier" to be pregnant in Denmark compared to most other countries, with full salary, maternity leave, and overall protection.
MIsuse of the temp worker law from 2008 is wide spread. the unions are weak and will not handle the problem. Temp agents (vikar firmaer) svindel normal people in between jobs
Please don't try to model something from Nordic countries. Nordic model requires higher, super high taxes 50%+ (indirectly+directly together). No country in Europe wants to replicate that part of the Nordic model so anything you model from Nordic countries will not ever work if you don't take tax model as well
Why do people focus so much on the tax %? It's meaningless to discuss if you don't also take into account salary levels. I'd rather pay 50% of 40k than 30% of 15k.
Sure. But people in the US pay comparable amounts. On top of taxes they have to pocket out for health care, private, schooling of children, college and university education and,.... the list goes on,..... The point here is that the labour market in France, especially, haven't been reformed. ITs very expensive to fire people. And the retirement age is 61. Work is seen as a plague to be endured,..... Imagine being stucked and stifled in a somewhat dysfunctional company with little in the way of job satisfaction,... whilst being on a decent salary, too good to let go of...
The tax rates does not really matter. What matters is how much spendable money you have left each month after you have paid your reoccurring bills. Of course, in a less taxed society you do have more freedom, like the freedom to gamble with your life by choosing not to have a comprehensive health insurance policy.
One way we could attract more money to dennark is to make it more crypto friendly for companys and the people, and for the country itself start buying or mining btc, we have a lot windmills and solarpanels that could be used for that🙂
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This is part of the reason why Denmark is so insanely rich. An exceptional, free education system (incl. university level) provides world-class skills, which have built companies like Novo Nordisk, Lundbeck, LEO Pharma, Maersk, LEGO, etc. It is VERY difficult to copy this societal model, however, because it requires the very highest level of trust between people and the government. And that is not something easily attained.
+ the stated companies do not try to pay 0,- in tax - they are part of Denmark. Unlike Nestle or McD who try to circumvent any and all taxes to pay as close to 0,- in taxes as they can... Our companies understand that by paying taxes they also gain a workforce as stated in this video...
Hello Dane her. We are not rich. Out education system is under stress. Our universities get subsidies for every student, but they are almost all private companies. We also pay alot of tax and out health care system is also under enormous stress.
Unions are big in DK. Even professors are unionised.
Why wouldn't they be unionized? Everyone who works for a wage / salary should be.
In USA even university professors could be living in their cars.
We have some organisations run like this in the UK.
However the standard MBA management qualification in the UK draws heavily on the American right wing management models, where workers are seen as wanting to do the least work for the most pay and people are reduced to a set of skill specifications where teams and the other things a worker brings to the workplace are counted for nought.
I think the Netherlands has a similar economic philosophy as Denmark. Only the unions do not play such a big role in the Netherlands. Only 10% of the Dutch workers are members of a union.
Denmark is one of the worlds least corrupt countries, if not nr. 1, that is why this model works, among other things aswell ofcourse. Unions is another factor in this. Furthermore Danes learn from an early age to ''groupwork'' in school, so the whole mentaly aspect of this is ''learned'' in school, highschool etc. In Denmark we have an expression --> ''to lift as a group'', that sums it up pretty well. Also Denmark ranks high on the global ''Trustworthy'' list - #4, which also has its downsides if you have a ''blue eyed'' approach to things😉But most importantly Denmark ranks #2 on the 'Happiest country in the world' list, just after Finland, a shoutout to my Finnish friends😄So I would argue that a country/society like this is worth aiming for✌
Is it really? I'm in Sweden. Here are lots of corruption, but it's not looked at that way. Carl Bildt was paid by the US military-industrial complex to sell the Iraq War. After that, he became foreign minister of Sweden.
Can you provide exact numbers regarding easy hire and fire?
What is the minimum period that employer and employee have to consider when firing/quitting?
Is there a probation period for new employees and how long is that? Can employee be fired at short notice?
How long in general does it takes on average to start working, if counting from the day of start of looking for a job actively?
Most positions I know of have probation periods of 1,2 or 3 months. I have heard that a reason must be given if the employee is terminated after the probation, but I have no idea how strict this is.
When leaving a company you usually have 1 month.
@@johannesbachlarsen4384 yeah that is about right. Probation is usually 3 months (paid of cause) after 3 months it is usually 1 month, before you are out.
Most employees have A-kasse (unemployment welfare) if not all have it. That covers 60% or so, of your last paycheck level. For a max of 2 years. And most have found a new job way before that.
Unemployment depends on your job type or education.
I work as a steel fabricator and we have had a lack of workers for a few years now. It is slowly getting down to normal due to recession but generally i should be able to find new work within a month if i wanted to change jobs.
Though i like the place i work at and have been there for like 8 years now ..
I have never been unwillingly unemployed for more then like 2 days in my 35 year life...
* Last general strike in Denmark was in 1998
It wont work if a country doesnt have strong labour unions and labour union protections
yes , and currently the danish unions are failing. 3F (union) for example is a spinless union it will not protect worker against temp worker agencies which are missusing the EU temp worker law
The DraghiReport has mostly been ignored
Easy fire makes easy hire. Else employers become too cautious and slow hiring. This especially harms young and older workers. Changing economy means flexibility of employment - once a project if finished, why keeping someone employed? While other parts of the economy might need the worker desperately. But it is important to force employers to reply to all job applications within a short time period, so job seekers do not wait in vain, and can immediately switch to a new search!
Tbh - job seekers should immediately switch to a new search regardless of response time - many applications around, might land you a better job than the first one you are waiting for a reply from...
No, we can't. Denmark also doesn't have a big VC market that can compete with the American. Danish GDP per capita is not higher than the US, in fact it is over 10% smaller. This is despite the fact that the US economy is much larger with a population of approx. 350 million americans, whereas Denmark has less than 6 million inhabitants; In other words, we don't even know if it scales.
Productivity pr hour and value of same is higher than the US.
Please do not hurt me, weak & alone am me. I need you.
Are you ok?
How can Germans' 4-day workweek compete with China's 996? 🤔
Because it's also about quality not just quantity.
If you can wast 90% of your production to flaws and such there's no problem but if you want a 99% high quality output you need people to be focused and on the target and constantly upping their game. For that you need downtime and new inputs, something the Chinese don't have.
The unions have become weak in Denmark and many people don't often become members of a union. And the public system is also reducing benefits and more Danes are choosing private health care.
And still over 70% of danes are member of an union, and that's why it works.
In 2023 private health care in Denmark was only 2,6% of total health care cost. 97,4% is still public health care (source: Danmarks Statistik)
Yeah, that's why it's even more important to understand that we need to unionize and KEEP fighting the class war, cause the capitalists never took any breaks!
@Donnah1979 That's a false premise. The simple fact is that unions doesn't do what their former members needed them to, so they left and new member don't become members for the same reason. The unions have moved too far away from their primary member sources not the other way around.
Unfortunately there are a lot of employers that do no have collective agreements. As Danmark does not have a minimum wage, there are a lot of people working for a low wage, legally, as the employer does not have a collective agreement, and in this case, unions are kind of powerless.
No, workers unions are not kind of powerless as long as it is possible to instigate sympathy strikes. Imagine a bakery that refuses to sign a collective bargaining agreement with its employees. The employees asks the local unions for help, and the next day lorry drivers refuses to deliver flour and other ingredients to the bakery. How long do you think the bakery owner will hold out?
@JanBruunAndersen you are right, but I also know a lot of small companies that do not have collective agreements, think about all the farmers, all the sole proprietorship ( enkeltmandsvirksomhed) th Unions do not have the power to reach all of them, so we are talking about hundreds of thousands of employers that are not into a collective agreement and.
@@JanBruunAndersen what about Wolt? There are thousands of employees and they do not get Holliday allowance, nevertheless AMP and so on... They are not even entitled to receive unemployment benefits even if they pay for an unemployment fund, because they do not get their salary under normal conditions... :(
@@AdrianUrsu-x4c If you are a sole proprietor, I fail to see how minimum wages or missing union protection for the sole worker against the owner is relevant at all as they are the same person.
@@pi2repsilon644 a sole proprietorship can have employees.
The government has interfered on several occasions. Lately they wanted to regulate the salary of nurses.
Who employed these nurses? The government?
@@JanBruunAndersen nope - the regions do... Part of our governance sure, but not the government as in those at Christiansborg - who where the once interfering... Very un-danish like...
@@TainDK - quote from a publication titled "Generelle tilskud til regionerne 2024" by Indenrigs- og Sundhedsministeriet:
- "Omkring 83 pct. af regionernes udgifter på sundhedsområdet finansieres ved et bloktil-
skud fra staten. Dertil kommer en kommunal aktivitetsafhængig medfinansiering, som
udgør ca. 15 pct. af regionernes finansiering. Den statslige aktivitetsafhængige pulje ud-
gør ca. 1 pct. af finansieringen."
As long as Regionerne receives 83 % of their funding from the central government, then I think it is entirely fair that the same central government have some influence on how that money is spent.
That not true. As long as it doesn't interfere with the stability of the country the government doesn't do anything and when they eventually do it the danish parliament who vote a compromise into place not the government.
"Lately they wanted to regulate the salary of nurses." No, they never did. if anything their legislation favored the nurses compared to the deal that fell through.
One problem with Denmark is the public sector is simply too big and occupies too many highly educated people who could provide better use to the private sector.
Like?
Det stemmer bare dårligt overens med den økonomiske udvikling vi har set i DK de sidste mange år.
@ Den økonomiske vækst er drevet af et enkelt selskab, der tilfældigvis ligger i Danmark. Tager man det ud af ligningen går det ikke godt i Danmark.
Det er svært at skaffe kvalificeret arbejdskraft til vigtige projekter i den private sektor mens man i den offentlige sektor bruger enorme summer på det ene tåbelige projekt efter det andet.
Nationens sikkerhed er i større fare end ret mange danskere er klar over. Selv efter Ruslands angreb på Ukraine har vi ikke prioriteret at opbygge et forsvar og bruger stadig ikke de 2% af BNP på forsvaret som er kravet for at USA’s nye præsident vil forsvare os. Polen bruger over 4% og 2% er ikke længere nok. Regeringen lufter tanken om at lade skatterne stige for at finansiere forsvaret, men overvejer end ikke at prioritere i den offentlige sektor.
Lige nu sidder man i Washington og drøfter hvorledes man økonomisk kan straffe de lande der har meddelt at man vil arrestere Israels premierminister, som vi har.
Vi er gået ned ad en sti med dyr energi og usikker energiforsyning.
BNP pr indbygger i USA er 25% højere end Danmark. De kan se frem til vækst og presser nok vores vigtigste selskaber til at flytte produktionskapacitet til USA.
Jeg ser mørke skyer over Danmark og intet tegn på en forståelse for nødvendigheden af at ændre kurs.
Denmark's labor market might have its strengths, but being a man in Denmark can feel challenging. The system often seems tailored to benefit women, particularly in areas like middle management and HR, where they are strongly represented. (but nobody really talks about it). And we have a huge segment of sick people, which the working class have to finance.
Of course we help those who are sick, that's what makes us human and thus why our country Denmark is great. We're not eugenicist barbarians.
Is our segment of sick people bigger than in other western countries, I wonder?
I do find it interesting what you say about the system being tailored to benefit women. I am sure it is in some areas, to compensate to the professional time hit we tend to take for pregnancy, a bit lower pay in general, but do you think it might be quite field dependent too?
Also, it does seem like the vast majority of upper management and highest earners are still men, that has to count a bit against your experience of the whole thing being tailored for the benefit of women.
The men I know have never had the issue you write about, but I understand that maybe it is field dependent, and as such I just haven't met anyone in your situation.
Antallet af langtidssyge i DK er ikke uden for normalen, der er blot mere fokus på dem.
@@Finkeldinken I would argue that many people exploit Denmark's welfare system, particularly in relation to illness. People are protected when they are sick. In the labor market, the primary focus is on pregnancy and children-areas where women often benefit the most. It is true that the top of the financial world is predominantly led by men, but they constitute only a small percentage of the overall picture. Otherwise, I would say that women are increasingly dominating the "tone" in the workplace, as they often hold HR positions and are generally overrepresented in various middle management roles.
The men you refer to probably don’t mention this because doing so would go against the grain, making it politically incorrect-which can be risky. I have met several women who acknowledge this (although it's easy to say). Additionally, it is generally "easier" to be pregnant in Denmark compared to most other countries, with full salary, maternity leave, and overall protection.
MIsuse of the temp worker law from 2008 is wide spread. the unions are weak and will not handle the problem. Temp agents (vikar firmaer) svindel normal people in between jobs
Skipper hates Denmark
Who cares? LOL
Skipper does, @
Horror ideas in Society (Europe and the all west) (The mime ..
On a late night at a lonely train station🤔
Please don't try to model something from Nordic countries. Nordic model requires higher, super high taxes 50%+ (indirectly+directly together). No country in Europe wants to replicate that part of the Nordic model so anything you model from Nordic countries will not ever work if you don't take tax model as well
Why do people focus so much on the tax %? It's meaningless to discuss if you don't also take into account salary levels. I'd rather pay 50% of 40k than 30% of 15k.
most of us are quite satisfied with that, compared to the alternatives
Sure. But people in the US pay comparable amounts. On top of taxes they have to pocket out for health care, private, schooling of children, college and university education and,.... the list goes on,..... The point here is that the labour market in France, especially, haven't been reformed. ITs very expensive to fire people. And the retirement age is 61. Work is seen as a plague to be endured,..... Imagine being stucked and stifled in a somewhat dysfunctional company with little in the way of job satisfaction,... whilst being on a decent salary, too good to let go of...
Just look at healthcare as extra tax, then you get close to the tax rate of 38% which is paid on first 100k usd here
The tax rates does not really matter. What matters is how much spendable money you have left each month after you have paid your reoccurring bills.
Of course, in a less taxed society you do have more freedom, like the freedom to gamble with your life by choosing not to have a comprehensive health insurance policy.
One way we could attract more money to dennark is to make it more crypto friendly for companys and the people, and for the country itself start buying or mining btc, we have a lot windmills and solarpanels that could be used for that🙂
Just lower taxes in general and you will attract capital